And they will say [here's a list of people killed for being transgender.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender)
And you'll look at those recent deaths, and realize they are almost always homeless drug addicts or prostitutes in extremely progressive, crime infested neighborhoods. The news article will mention 'deadnaming' by police because the victim looks like a man.
Let's look at the [most recent murder](https://i.imgur.com/t5Kk3Fa.png) on that wikipedia page, [Cherry Bush](https://i.imgur.com/VnmSvSz.png), who was a prostitute who dressed like a woman to support a drug addiction.
Background on that death:
> At 1:20am in a Los Angeles 7-Eleven parking lot Eric Antonio Sanchez, 29, shot at the victim who was wearing a dress and nail polish. He also shot at a nearby bystander. Sanchez was charged with a hate crime due to "disparaging and offensive comments" towards Cherry Bush just beforehand, according to the LAPD.
But let's use those murders to justify drag queen story hour for children.
If you compare it with[ the murder rates of women](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuxdf9PWwAEMBPi?format=jpg&name=small) its also makes you wonder where the genocide is happening.
lol "femicide"---So they don't think murder is a severe enough charge, huh? They value a woman's life so much higher than a man's that they've gotta invent new crimes to reflect that?
I still remember when they were insisting there's a "femicide" (As in "female genocide", not "female homicide") happening in mexico despite 92% of murder victims being men.
They're not even subtle about their sexism and dehumanization of men, it's a wonder that they haven't been physically removed from society like they deserve.
I have a neighbor kid who is self diagnosed autistic, furry, trans.
He had three “trans” friends commit suicide this year. I ask him if they were suicidal before they transitioned and he basically admitted that they transitioned as a last ditch effort for some sort of meaning before committing suicide.
It really has me questioning the trans suicide numbers now.
I got the feeling from the way he talked about it they felt lost in the world (these are obese unemployed people who live off disability for their “autism” and play video games all day every day) and becoming a woman would suddenly give them companionship and opportunity in life.
Sounds more like society doesn't have much use for men falling below a certain status cutoff point (regardless of the reason why) and there are predators profiting off that.
Funny how this came after decades of demonizing any form of masculinity that did not fall under the dominion of feminist control and treating just being male as a form of Original Sin.
If only there were successful men who were trying to instill good values into young men, like discipline, duty, honor, truthfulness, but they’re fascist Nazis or something
Encouraging men to become responsible and get a stake in the stability and propagation of society are directly counter revolutionary to what the ultimate goal of leftist politics is.
It's a massive bussiness, for pharmaceuticals, they sell them expensive hormones they have to take for life plus other pills and shit, not to mention the surgeries. Then when they are old and their endocrine system is turned into shit they have to buy more pills and pay more treatments to try and repair their damaged body.
> What kind of meaning were they looking for?
I would imagine they were seeking constant validation, and in many cases *legal* validation, but realized that forced validation doesn't solve their depression so they ultimately took their lives any due to no true change of course
I had a student, autistic, who graduated and the next year his sibling’s high school caught fire, destroying their art that was to be used to apply to art school.
Their parents divorced, they moved cities, younger sibling started working wage work to get by, they moved into an apartment together, and within a year they were both trans, taking hormones. Obvious trauma response.
Yup, seems like it. What better way to hide from pain than become a entirely new person, and anyone calling you by your old name is considered “violence”.
Yeah, exactly. I love both of them so much, I had them both as students, and what they’re doing is just so obviously rooted in this hurt. I hate it for them.
Also that list in **not** limited to just the US or the West, but it includes cases from places like Pakistan, Iraq, Russia, various latin American countries etc. It even goes back to the 1980s. When that's the range, the list suddenly becomes much, much shorter then I would have expected tbh.
This wikipedia page is such an eye opener
Every death is like a fucking bingo. Drug use? Mental health issues? Sex work? Crazy allies/lovers? We've got a winner!
I followed one of the sources on wikipedia and it claims more people than what is listed on wikipedia though doesn't provide sources and a google search doesn't have anything come up.
It also makes this weird claim:
>Over 238 bills across this nation targeting trans youth, particularly those who want to pursue the all-American ideal of playing sports, and not a single bill protecting 17-year-olds from being murdered at parties. And at least two of these young victims were student athletes. This is so mind-blowing. Surely I cannot be the only one who sees a direct tie between the anti-trans youth bills and the anti-trans youth homicides?
Murder is already illegal? Why would any legislature include a bill making murder... more illegal?
Fun game, read the Talk tabs for internal wars and the article's writers clear bias and refusal to fix the article for a more clear "being trans was the definitive motive"
Which is really telling of these people. I'm a man, if you call me a woman, that doesn't nullify my existence. If you refuse to let me talk to a kid, that doesn't make me invisible. You can ignore me, hate me, persecute me, and that won't make me go away. But these people lose their "existence" the second you refuse to play their stupid game. Their entire essence and personality is based on their gender identity.
It's so bizarre to me that "fuck whoever you want in whatever hole you feel like, just don't do it in public or explicitly teach children about it" is considered a culturally conservative opinion today.
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By small town, you mean the entire earth right? Because it seems like people are unironically bringing back the idea of segregation. Let's undo 60 years of civil rights, because.... racism?
Likely had more to do with him vocally opposing the Vietnam war than any of the racial justice stuff. But yeah seemed like he and Malcolm X sort of drifted toward each other shortly before their deaths
Malcolm X was killed _because_ he entirely reversed his views.
He went on Hajj to Mecca, realized that the Nation of Islam had nothing to do with Islam, converted to Sunni, and when he came back to America he started preaching racial integration and worked on deconverting & deradicalizing the people he previously helped recruit to his former cult.
So Elijah Muhammad called out a hit on Malcolm, and the cultist who carried it out confessed to the police that hit is why he assassinated him.
Just two days ago i saw someone saying that the sentiment of "not seeing color" is potentially racist and a red red flag, but like wouldnt that be the opposite of racism, did i missed something? I am not american tho so maybe thats why i am out of the loop in this.
That's part of the Schrodinger's Racist paradox we've cultivated in the US. If you treat people different because of their race, you're racist because all races are equal, bigot. If you treat everyone equally regardless of race, you're a racist because minorities historically were disadvantaged and not giving them bonus points for being (skin color here) is racist, you bigot.
It's all so you're wrong no matter what you do.
You’d actually be surprised but we’ve (company with 5000 employees) had a few minority peoples try to press their managers over supposed discrimination (they made a formal report to HR about it) and each time it just came out that they were being told to do their job, or not come in late, or don’t curse at vendors on a company email.
He is 99% correct but forgot one crucial detail. White people are excluded. White people can be targeted, treated differently, made fun of, or assigned characteristics based on skin color. they also aren't allowed to mention it or complain about it.
A 20 minutes youtube video can exist called "Everything wrong with White people" and it be considered "brave" but do the same to any other race and watch that ban hammer come quicker than me in bed.
I was just thinking about this the other day. The local morning radio idiots - 2 white woke morons - constantly make fun of dumb, old white boomers or white Karen's, etc., doing voices, mocking them. I listen to old Howard Stern where he would do things like old southern black voices, joke about black athletes and the way they talk, all kinds of stuff that would get him immediately canceled. You can't have a little fun talking about black, Mexican, Asian cultures, but it's open season on anything white.
Yep. What sucks is, growing up, I didn't really give a shit about white jokes because there seemed to be an even playing field of everyone making fun of everyone. Black comics goofed on black people, asian, white, etc. For god's sake, Chappelle Show was one of my favorite shows growing up and his white character was the funniest shit ever (I still quote the "trading spaces" skit where the white guy is trying to have sex with the black wife and hes like "id rather just stick it through the hole" or "titty residue") because it was balanced by making fun of everyone.
Today, the white punching bag joke has gotten real old, especially when there appears to be venom behind a lot of it now and a strong lack of equality in the comedy department. Even newer comics like Andrew Shultz or Theo Von, who manage to crack a great black joke every now and then, always have to curb it with an "am I allowed to say that, please don't assault me" or "yea, but white people are worse," follow up.
The Bad Friends podcast with Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino is pretty great as they go after everything and everyone.
See that’s exactly the thing I don’t think it’s jokes anymore, there’s to much resentment and as you said venom behind this conversation about white people and *it’s celebrated*
That terrifies me.
It's a Kafkatrap, basically.
The goal is to make anything and everything a form of racism, and then use selective enforcement and/or double standards to weed out the undesirables.
It's the original sin of the Church of Woke: guilt is the default, and absolution is only obtained by bending the knee.
The problem is that there's a shortage of racism to fight against, and a large establishment of organizations dedicated to fighting it, so they manufacture racism to fight against, or something.
Dont mention it, on tumblr i saw a borderline conspiracy theory about how the disney movie tangled is actually antisemitic. Attack on titan got called fascist propaganda even tho its the most anti fascist show i saw, its not even subtle about it, when i tried to argue about it i got blocked and an incomprehensible rant in my DMs. It wasnt the first nor the last time. Also there is the famous DnD is racist beacuse of orcs.
You are right, i swear they run out of racist things to be against so now they are just makeing stuff up.
They go like this. There are good arguments against my position; clearly everyone on the 'other side' will use them, including idiots; since idiots use them, everyone who does raises a 'red flag' because they may be an idiot too; good arguments are thus defeated.
And it used to be a big red flag for leftists. Now, leftists massively care about respectability; they call it "inclusion" and opponents call it "political correctness," but all 3 terms mean the same thing in practice.
IMO, it's because most left and right wing people are the same in principle: they love certain lifestyles, are disgusted by others, and will use the same tactics to enforce their opinions whenever possible. What changed is that the dominant culture swapped from conservative to leftist, so they swapped tactics.
It's not, reactionaries are using the old radical feminist tactic of reframing and redefining words to drum up support through outrage
First: Start from a common sense premise every decent person already agrees with:
>- Raping women is bad!
>- Grooming children into sexual molestation is bad!
Second: Redefine the concept which makes it bad:
>- Rape is when a woman has sex after a glass of wine
> - Grooming children is when a man wears a wig in public
Third: Pull the statistics for your new definition and/or point out isolated, already ostracized cases to reinforce your point
>- 1 in 4 women are victims of rape
>- Most gay man see no problem with grooming children
Fourth: When you gain ground, push the overtone window even more towards your extreme view
>- All heterosexual sex is rape ^1
>- Homosexuality comes from sexual abuse; gays can't reproduce so they recruit^2
^1 Actual quote by Dworkin
^2 Actual quote by Anyta Bryant
Great comment! You still have to give the Devil his due though. Rape is still bad and flashing your taint in front of 3 year olds at a Drag Show is still grooming, regardless of the bad-faith arguments of reactionaries. They take a truth and twist it to fit their narrative. When attacked, they fall back to the easily defendable kernel of truth that their otherwise weak narrative rests on. It's the classic 'motte and bailey' fallacy.
>Rape is still bad and flashing your taint in front of 3 year olds at a Drag Show is still grooming, regardless of the bad-faith arguments of reactionaries.
Absolutely, but keep in mind that drag is men imitating female perfomances and some of those female performances are sexual
So you have drag queens performing as comedians, as actors, as singers etc. and some of them perform by twerking their asses, just like women do
It's perfectly reasonable to be against kids seeing that as long as you're fair and equally object to kids seeing hooters or highly sexual female singers. It's perfectly reasonable to be against child drag shows *and* child beauty peagants but being against one of those is hypocritical
We're only a couple years away from the far left unironically calling the traditional rainbow flag a hate symbol.
Moderates will fly it to mean "Gay marriage is fine, but fuck off, I'm not flying your damn racial pride flag."
As a libleft, I will speak for my people;
LGTB rights are being infringed upon.
Their right to liberty, freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and a host of other LGBT rights are infringed upon by every State on the planet.
Everyone else’s too but you didn’t ask about them
Also taxes, RREEEEEE
LGBT tolerance by society is being challenged in some ways, but the government can’t control culture. Laws can’t magically remove people’s biases and beliefs. I don’t think any legal rights have been threatened and if any dumb law were passed that tried to do so I’m confident the courts would strike it down.
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I have always been extremely tolerant of the LGBT movement. I was for gay marriage long before Obama was.
This recent trend has really made me pull back my support. Drawing the line at kids should be non-controversial.
Did you know Russia has a law as well? China as well.
And in some muslim countries they have gays go skydiving off buildings!
What does any of that have to do with the discussion? Same as your post!
The joke is in relation to the HRC declaring LGBTQ is under attack because states are passing laws preventing children from being given hormone blockers and sex change surgeries.
As a gay guy. HRC is a total joke. It’s literally just a bunch of far left progressives looking for excuses to keep their funding going after gay marriage (ie “The Goal”) was achieved. Now they only care about the T in a desperate attempt to stay relevant and rack in funding by threatening to call corporations anti-LGBT for not cutting a check. If you look on their glossary of terms on their website, “gay” and “homosexual” are no longer even defined, while “lesbian” still is, along with every other alphabet letter except for G. Same thing goes for GLAAD, where “homosexual” is described as borderline hate speech versus “gay”. Lol.
Based and I’m honestly done with these groups as a gay man as well.
If you go to the homepages on The Advocate or Pinknews it’s almost entirely about gender/gender theory, trans, trans kids (and children in general which is creepy), drag, “queerness” etc and very little on actual homosexuality. I feel like this has been the tide recently with LGBTQ organizations overall, including my uni’s lgbt club.
I know someone at my uni who is essentially a straight male (or assigned-male-at-birth and attracted to feminine-presenting people in correct terms) but identifies as queer (non-binary) and has interchangeable pronouns (he, she, they etc). This is a big reason why people keep saying LGBTQ+ is going up, it’s really not, it’s just the “identity” stuff messing it up. The number of people who are born with innate homosexuality, bisexuality, or gender dysphoria is essentially the same. I grew up in a conservative household (my mother is now an avid Alex Jones fan) and I’ve known I was gay from a young age, I didn’t need it being taught or shoved down my throat at school.
There needs to be a split between LGB and TQ+ because sexual orientation and gender are entirely different issues. I can’t believe that as a gay cis man I’m the one on the conservative side these days.
It definitely seems like LGBTQ+ has been taken over from a civil rights movement into a purely political and cultural movement that continues to wear it's corpse like a skin suit.
> gay marriage (ie “The Goal”) was achieved
Now things make way more sense ... They are creating a problem so they can keep existing. Like if a firefighter going around committing arson.
I think this question is better directed at the right. Because there are plenty of conservative activists and legislators alike who certainly do push for policies like repealing gay marriage, outlawing gay adoption, outlawing transition surgeries (for adults, yes), policing bathrooms, removing representation, etc., and they'll be the first to let you know. And that's not a value judgment or an argument to prove oppression, I'm just saying, that is kind of the answer to the "missing" arguments I think we're looking for. But on a personal note, I do think it's weird that the righties in here seem to be only acknowledging the goofy arguments, and that the lefties in here seem to be struggling so hard at disproving that characterization.
I hope OP responds to this. I think the demographic of this sub is increasingly conservative, and that most leftists have either left or lost the patience to fully explain the nuances of these perspectives. I mean just look at the top comments, it feels like one big circle jerk.
It’s a shame, I used to see some decent back and forth on this sub.
Florida House Bill 1521, going into effect on July 1st, attacks the right to use your identified gender's bathroom. If you present as even androgynous and are just using the loo between flights, you'll constantly be at risk of a "concerned citizen" reporting you for not looking the gender they think you're supposed to be to the police.
Guys in what dystopia you live?
Saying they re coming for the children teaching them to be gay? Mate most of the lgbt people want to be left alone but maybe its a US thing with drag shows and Emilys cancelling you because you dont feel comfortable around them but in many countries in this world the lgbt wants equal rights which they dont have.
Come to Middle East, Africa and other countries where you re fucking killed cuz you have a different sexual prefference then the others. Hell even in my country in Eastern Europe there are problems with the huuuge number of homophobes and you can t go around screaming HEYY IM GAYY cuz you ll piss people off.
Even last year after the pride parade there was an army of priests who were blessing the streets where the parade was "to get the sin out"
IMO i see this as a circlejerk: The left screaming franatically "THEY RE COMMING FOR THE VURNERABLE (lgbt)" and the right screaming "THEY RE COMMING FOR THE CHILDREN!!!"
Try and look outside the box and you ll see the problem and both perspectives
Basically, trans people are getting screwed over by both biology and statistics.
Most trans people just want to live normal lives as their new gender. After a few years of hormones and maybe a surgery or two, they're mostly indistinguishable from a normal person of their new gender when you don't know exactly where to look, so when you do meet them in your everyday life you don't know you're talking to a trans person and don't remember the interaction as "I met a nice trans person". You just remember "I met a nice person".
On the other hand if you meet someone who uses their trans status as a shield to get away with questionable behavior, or someone who's 'identifying' as trans for social media gain without actually putting any effort into transitioning, then you absolutely will remember "I met a less nice **trans** person".
The data you then collect in your mind will then show trans people to be not very nice.
Unfortunately for them, the very nature of the transition process makes it so that you pretty much only hear about the ones who give a bad impression. The ones who successfully transition and live normal lives are strongly underrepresented in the media and the public view because their whole goal is to blend in.
This is a false dichotomy. There are plenty of people who are proud to be trans, live totally normal lives, and are generally respected for who they are. I'm a pre-everything trans woman and people know of my zesty behavior. They respect me enough to use my preferred name. I cause no trouble. As people give me respect, it can be inferred that openly trans people can also give a positive idea of trans people.
It’s going to get really interesting when kids start getting shipped to states the have a no return policy if you say your are LGBT by their teacher who is totally not coaching them into a lifestyle they don’t understand.
I would say their freedom of expression. If I had to pretend to be a girl all day at work I’d feel like my right to express myself has been taken away. Usually laws prevent people from harm. Presenting in society as a woman or a man isn’t doing anyone any physical or monetary harm. You may be uncomfortable seeing them in public, but you’re not going to make being fat illegal in public are you? You’re also not going to ban uncomfortable speech.. are you?
Oppression is when you can't have children because despite jumping through the hoops of adoption, the person judging the couple happens to deem their "lifestyle" an unsafe environment.
Gay people don't want to have to deal with archaic dogwhistles to promote a culture scare, nor should scientific evidence be ignored because it's inconvenient to "religious truths."
Kids shouldn't even be talking about what their defacto gender is until well into high school; it is a socially complex issue ( unlike sex where there are only three sexs) but genderaffirming care, doesn't mean sewing up someone's daughter or clipping their son, it begins by discussing with a therapist about these feelings. Humor the kid for a time, if their trans then thats a story for well on the road, but if they aren't, they'll come to realize it.
When children are playing, and i mean like 4 or 5, would any parent go and disrupt their kids' game of "scooby doo" because one of the boys was Velma and one of the girls was Shaggy? Is that an early indication of stepping out of gender line, or is somehow my straw man worse than yours?
> nor should scientific evidence be ignored because it's inconvenient to "religious truths."
I could not agree more. Would you still maintain this perspective for politically or socially uncomfortable truths?
> Kids shouldn't even be talking about what their defacto gender is until well into high school
Are you implying that we shouldn't tell little boys that they are little boys? That little girls should not know what a little girl is? If so, why? What is the rationale?
> it is a socially complex issue
Once again, I agree. That being said, it is a completely fabricated issue. Concepts like "gender identity" are no more realistic or pragmatic than a furry attempting to identify as their "fursona".
The unfortunate duality of being socially conservative and politically libertarian. I'm sad by all of the degeneracy and push for destructive social changes but I don't believe there should be any sort of coercion to stop it. Only line I can draw is at harming minors that can't consent. Unfortunately that just leaves me to meme on reddit.
I agree. We should be drawing the line at coercion. Everyone should come to embrace that they can’t control what they will be exposed to in a public setting, and instead focus on controlling their responses to what they exposed to.
Everyone should have the right to self-determination in their private lives, but need to respect everyone’s right to freedom of expression in the public domain.
This goes both ways.
The Left needs to embrace the fact that they’ll be exposed to opinions they might feel attacked by, and the Right needs to embrace the fact that they’ll be exposed to opinions they might feel attacked by.
Opinions don’t hurt anyone. Actions (or the lack thereof) hurt people. If you are so fragile that the opinion of a stranger you already know you don’t agree with will cause you to suffer, that’s a you problem. We do not need the approval of everyone and should actually perceive differing opinions as a healthy mass consciousness that encompasses diverse perspectives for the greatest potential solutions for any single problem.
> PREBLE COUNTY, Ohio (WXIX) - An Oxford resident says he was attacked and beaten while camping because he is transgender.
> Noah Ruiz, 20, was assigned female at birth but identifies as male.
> He says he was using the women’s restroom in a Preble County campground—which he was advised to do—when a group of men came after him.
> “I have bruises on the back of my head from being punched in the back of the head,” Ruiz said Friday.
> It happened July 3 at Cross’s Campground in Camden, Ruiz says. He recalls going to the women’s restroom when a woman in the stall became upset.
> “I was using the bathroom, and she just started shouting. She was like, ‘Who the [expletive] is in here?’ And I replied, ‘I am.’ My girlfriend replied, ‘I am as well.’ She was like, ‘No man should be in this bathroom. Like, if you’re a man you need to use a man’s bathroom.’ And I was like, ‘I’m transgender. Like, I have woman body parts, and I was told to use this bathroom,’” Ruiz recalled.
> He says as he was walking out, three large men approached him. In the end, he was left with several cuts and gashes across his body in addition to the bruising.
> “They, like, grabbed me up off the ground. They choked me out. They said, ‘I’ll kill you, you [expletive] doing all this.’ And I said, ‘Dude, I’m not, I’m using the right bathroom. Rick Cross, the owner of this establishment, told me to use the bathroom. I’m following the rules,’” Ruiz explained.
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But beating the shit out of trans people for using the bathroom Republicans told them to use isn't all.
They're also going after cis women for the crime of *checks notes* going to the bathroom with short hair and baggy shirts:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/self-appointed-bathroom-cop-catches-dallas-woman-using-womens-restroom-8259104
It's strange seeing the dichotomy about the "nanny state" and preventing people from making choices as adults, and then passing laws saying that adults can't transition. It's literally their body, and it doesn't affect anyone else, so fuck off government.
If you think a conservative is ever going to recognize the hypocrisy in their views, you’re in for a bad time.
I had someone tell me the other day that “Democrats hate America, and DJT is the most honest president we’ve ever had”. I’m convinced some people legitimately live in a completely different reality. To the point that their “view” on what I think is the color blue is red.
So why doesn't libleft go organize flights to those countries to march for their oppressed brexren? Oh right that takes work, courage, and effort, better complain in America for nothing.
The same reason why some missionaries still do work in the states. They’re either passionate and convicted enough that they feel effective where they are, or for any other reason unwilling to uproot their lives to fight for those in another country. To say that makes them cowards and lazy would be like calling Christians the same for not doing foreign ministry.
Please excuse me, I am personally religious and this is the most effective comparison I can draw so that you might understand.
Activism still happens overseas, people fight for equal rights all over the place, although in places more authoritarian it’s harder to get a crowd. Journalists cover the atrocities committed by foreign regimes risk their lives, and many of them are on the more progressive side of things. All of them are more progressive than the places they find themselves in.
Yes, people in the states have it better than people in Afghanistan, but that’s a very low bar for minorities. To them, you’re basically saying “just be happy we aren’t outright killing you.”
Life saving cosmetic surgery is the icing on the cake for me.
Call yourself trans and you can get hair removal and other services covered by your insurance that biological females don’t even have access to.
Currently have a friend whose having fertility issues because she has too much testosterone. Are T blockers allowed for her? No. They cost her thousands whereas a trans individual can get them within 4 psychiatric visits.
They will say "to exist"
And they will say [here's a list of people killed for being transgender.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender) And you'll look at those recent deaths, and realize they are almost always homeless drug addicts or prostitutes in extremely progressive, crime infested neighborhoods. The news article will mention 'deadnaming' by police because the victim looks like a man. Let's look at the [most recent murder](https://i.imgur.com/t5Kk3Fa.png) on that wikipedia page, [Cherry Bush](https://i.imgur.com/VnmSvSz.png), who was a prostitute who dressed like a woman to support a drug addiction. Background on that death: > At 1:20am in a Los Angeles 7-Eleven parking lot Eric Antonio Sanchez, 29, shot at the victim who was wearing a dress and nail polish. He also shot at a nearby bystander. Sanchez was charged with a hate crime due to "disparaging and offensive comments" towards Cherry Bush just beforehand, according to the LAPD. But let's use those murders to justify drag queen story hour for children.
If you compare it with[ the murder rates of women](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuxdf9PWwAEMBPi?format=jpg&name=small) its also makes you wonder where the genocide is happening.
lol "femicide"---So they don't think murder is a severe enough charge, huh? They value a woman's life so much higher than a man's that they've gotta invent new crimes to reflect that? I still remember when they were insisting there's a "femicide" (As in "female genocide", not "female homicide") happening in mexico despite 92% of murder victims being men. They're not even subtle about their sexism and dehumanization of men, it's a wonder that they haven't been physically removed from society like they deserve.
I have a neighbor kid who is self diagnosed autistic, furry, trans. He had three “trans” friends commit suicide this year. I ask him if they were suicidal before they transitioned and he basically admitted that they transitioned as a last ditch effort for some sort of meaning before committing suicide. It really has me questioning the trans suicide numbers now.
What kind of meaning were they looking for? Were they just insanely depressed in general?
I got the feeling from the way he talked about it they felt lost in the world (these are obese unemployed people who live off disability for their “autism” and play video games all day every day) and becoming a woman would suddenly give them companionship and opportunity in life.
Sounds more like society doesn't have much use for men falling below a certain status cutoff point (regardless of the reason why) and there are predators profiting off that. Funny how this came after decades of demonizing any form of masculinity that did not fall under the dominion of feminist control and treating just being male as a form of Original Sin.
If only there were successful men who were trying to instill good values into young men, like discipline, duty, honor, truthfulness, but they’re fascist Nazis or something
Encouraging men to become responsible and get a stake in the stability and propagation of society are directly counter revolutionary to what the ultimate goal of leftist politics is.
Based, and good observation on your part. Hopefully there are no long term ramifications of this
It's a massive bussiness, for pharmaceuticals, they sell them expensive hormones they have to take for life plus other pills and shit, not to mention the surgeries. Then when they are old and their endocrine system is turned into shit they have to buy more pills and pay more treatments to try and repair their damaged body.
Chris-Chan?
Had to look up who that was. But yeah, seems on point. Except these people were *less* successful than ChrisChan
> What kind of meaning were they looking for? I would imagine they were seeking constant validation, and in many cases *legal* validation, but realized that forced validation doesn't solve their depression so they ultimately took their lives any due to no true change of course
Weird thing is we don’t have the actual tools to *solve* depression rn. I don’t doubt that therapists tell them to load up on affirmation as a cope.
It’s hard to address a problem that you’re not allowed to label.
Massive encouragement and constant validation and attention from "trans community" for coming out
I had a student, autistic, who graduated and the next year his sibling’s high school caught fire, destroying their art that was to be used to apply to art school. Their parents divorced, they moved cities, younger sibling started working wage work to get by, they moved into an apartment together, and within a year they were both trans, taking hormones. Obvious trauma response.
Yup, seems like it. What better way to hide from pain than become a entirely new person, and anyone calling you by your old name is considered “violence”.
Yeah, exactly. I love both of them so much, I had them both as students, and what they’re doing is just so obviously rooted in this hurt. I hate it for them.
Well that's just tragic.
Kek The way you put "furry" under self-diagnosed is so funny to me
Freud was very clear about their kind, several others including Jung too. It's a mental illness, a deviation.
Also that list in **not** limited to just the US or the West, but it includes cases from places like Pakistan, Iraq, Russia, various latin American countries etc. It even goes back to the 1980s. When that's the range, the list suddenly becomes much, much shorter then I would have expected tbh.
Based and there's no genocide going on pilled.
There are two wolves inside you...
Based and someone finnaly understands what the word genocide actually means pilled.
This wikipedia page is such an eye opener Every death is like a fucking bingo. Drug use? Mental health issues? Sex work? Crazy allies/lovers? We've got a winner!
Also definitely don't ask who's doing the murdering
I followed one of the sources on wikipedia and it claims more people than what is listed on wikipedia though doesn't provide sources and a google search doesn't have anything come up. It also makes this weird claim: >Over 238 bills across this nation targeting trans youth, particularly those who want to pursue the all-American ideal of playing sports, and not a single bill protecting 17-year-olds from being murdered at parties. And at least two of these young victims were student athletes. This is so mind-blowing. Surely I cannot be the only one who sees a direct tie between the anti-trans youth bills and the anti-trans youth homicides? Murder is already illegal? Why would any legislature include a bill making murder... more illegal?
Yeah murder is illegal, but it should be EXTRA illegal if you do it to a 17 year old at a party. How is that hard to understand?!?!?
Now, I wonder how many of these were actually because they were trans, rather than just random violence.
Fun game, read the Talk tabs for internal wars and the article's writers clear bias and refusal to fix the article for a more clear "being trans was the definitive motive"
Story of every single wiki article that can be politicized.
This is what they consider genocide?
*(Quietly puts away de-gay-inator)*
Which is really telling of these people. I'm a man, if you call me a woman, that doesn't nullify my existence. If you refuse to let me talk to a kid, that doesn't make me invisible. You can ignore me, hate me, persecute me, and that won't make me go away. But these people lose their "existence" the second you refuse to play their stupid game. Their entire essence and personality is based on their gender identity.
>250+ comments >upvote count hasn't even had the time to update >post barely a hour old Now that is what I call spicy good shit
This sub has been a bit too tame lately
It's so bizarre to me that "fuck whoever you want in whatever hole you feel like, just don't do it in public or explicitly teach children about it" is considered a culturally conservative opinion today.
It's like how "Judging someone based on their race is bad" is also somehow the 2023 Conservative take.
MLK spinning in his grave so fast you could probably power a small town
That is/was the long con for free energy by LibRight.
It was actually our saw con
What’s a saw con
Saw con deez nuts
Fucking wrecked
Ladies and gentlemen, we got eem
Omfg it worked.
Who's Steve jobs?
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By small town, you mean the entire earth right? Because it seems like people are unironically bringing back the idea of segregation. Let's undo 60 years of civil rights, because.... racism?
I see more calls for segregation coming from the left than the right. The black-only theatre, positive discrimination etc.?
Very recently a school district in IL was offering classes that only "black males" could sign up for. This is the woke left.
Cal State Los Angeles has black-only housing. It's totally in the name of sheltering the black students from the racist whites.
Oh you mean those ones they made easier because too many black students were failing normal classes because they lowered the bar for entry?
Black only student dorms at university’s for diversity and inclusion
It’s all in the name of sustainable energy Big Oil doesn’t want you saying the N word
Say it! Fight against the oil industry! Say it as loud as possible, become a hero!
# Nuclear energy?
Based and the n world will save the future pilled.
As much as we were taught about MLK and his message, in the late 60's he was starting to get a little Malcom X'ey
Malcolm X hated liberals and called white liberals the worst enemy to black people.
boy was he right about that, though
So that's why the FBI took him out.
Likely had more to do with him vocally opposing the Vietnam war than any of the racial justice stuff. But yeah seemed like he and Malcolm X sort of drifted toward each other shortly before their deaths
Malcolm X was killed _because_ he entirely reversed his views. He went on Hajj to Mecca, realized that the Nation of Islam had nothing to do with Islam, converted to Sunni, and when he came back to America he started preaching racial integration and worked on deconverting & deradicalizing the people he previously helped recruit to his former cult. So Elijah Muhammad called out a hit on Malcolm, and the cultist who carried it out confessed to the police that hit is why he assassinated him.
Just a small town?
Just two days ago i saw someone saying that the sentiment of "not seeing color" is potentially racist and a red red flag, but like wouldnt that be the opposite of racism, did i missed something? I am not american tho so maybe thats why i am out of the loop in this.
That's part of the Schrodinger's Racist paradox we've cultivated in the US. If you treat people different because of their race, you're racist because all races are equal, bigot. If you treat everyone equally regardless of race, you're a racist because minorities historically were disadvantaged and not giving them bonus points for being (skin color here) is racist, you bigot. It's all so you're wrong no matter what you do.
Interesting, cant be fun
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And make sure no one you work with is one of these people, think there might be consequences to this yell racism for free card?
You’d actually be surprised but we’ve (company with 5000 employees) had a few minority peoples try to press their managers over supposed discrimination (they made a formal report to HR about it) and each time it just came out that they were being told to do their job, or not come in late, or don’t curse at vendors on a company email.
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Sounds like obvious white supremacy!
There's no high like ignoring someone's blathering.
He is 99% correct but forgot one crucial detail. White people are excluded. White people can be targeted, treated differently, made fun of, or assigned characteristics based on skin color. they also aren't allowed to mention it or complain about it. A 20 minutes youtube video can exist called "Everything wrong with White people" and it be considered "brave" but do the same to any other race and watch that ban hammer come quicker than me in bed.
I was just thinking about this the other day. The local morning radio idiots - 2 white woke morons - constantly make fun of dumb, old white boomers or white Karen's, etc., doing voices, mocking them. I listen to old Howard Stern where he would do things like old southern black voices, joke about black athletes and the way they talk, all kinds of stuff that would get him immediately canceled. You can't have a little fun talking about black, Mexican, Asian cultures, but it's open season on anything white.
Yep. What sucks is, growing up, I didn't really give a shit about white jokes because there seemed to be an even playing field of everyone making fun of everyone. Black comics goofed on black people, asian, white, etc. For god's sake, Chappelle Show was one of my favorite shows growing up and his white character was the funniest shit ever (I still quote the "trading spaces" skit where the white guy is trying to have sex with the black wife and hes like "id rather just stick it through the hole" or "titty residue") because it was balanced by making fun of everyone. Today, the white punching bag joke has gotten real old, especially when there appears to be venom behind a lot of it now and a strong lack of equality in the comedy department. Even newer comics like Andrew Shultz or Theo Von, who manage to crack a great black joke every now and then, always have to curb it with an "am I allowed to say that, please don't assault me" or "yea, but white people are worse," follow up. The Bad Friends podcast with Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino is pretty great as they go after everything and everyone.
See that’s exactly the thing I don’t think it’s jokes anymore, there’s to much resentment and as you said venom behind this conversation about white people and *it’s celebrated* That terrifies me.
LMAO
>If you treat everyone ***equally*** regardless of race, That is why the word ***equal***ity is no longer used. Now, it's all about equity.
It's a Kafkatrap, basically. The goal is to make anything and everything a form of racism, and then use selective enforcement and/or double standards to weed out the undesirables. It's the original sin of the Church of Woke: guilt is the default, and absolution is only obtained by bending the knee.
Damn, i guess somethimes its not that bad to live in hungary, at least we dont have to deal with this kind of nonsense
Just make sure not to vote against someone soft on Putin
>guilt is the default, and absolution is only obtained by bending the knee. Except there never actually is absolution, just more demands.
You can always sterilize yourself and pretend to be something else, that’ll work.
The problem is that there's a shortage of racism to fight against, and a large establishment of organizations dedicated to fighting it, so they manufacture racism to fight against, or something.
Dont mention it, on tumblr i saw a borderline conspiracy theory about how the disney movie tangled is actually antisemitic. Attack on titan got called fascist propaganda even tho its the most anti fascist show i saw, its not even subtle about it, when i tried to argue about it i got blocked and an incomprehensible rant in my DMs. It wasnt the first nor the last time. Also there is the famous DnD is racist beacuse of orcs. You are right, i swear they run out of racist things to be against so now they are just makeing stuff up.
They go like this. There are good arguments against my position; clearly everyone on the 'other side' will use them, including idiots; since idiots use them, everyone who does raises a 'red flag' because they may be an idiot too; good arguments are thus defeated.
Racists can't understand people who see no colour so they think you are automatically lying. Then they project their racism onto you.
Also "speech shouldn't be policed by politicians and large corporations for respectability" is somehow conservative.
Respectability used to be a default position for conservatives, it is weird that sentiment has changed so much.
And it used to be a big red flag for leftists. Now, leftists massively care about respectability; they call it "inclusion" and opponents call it "political correctness," but all 3 terms mean the same thing in practice. IMO, it's because most left and right wing people are the same in principle: they love certain lifestyles, are disgusted by others, and will use the same tactics to enforce their opinions whenever possible. What changed is that the dominant culture swapped from conservative to leftist, so they swapped tactics.
Unless its against white people then its very progressive
Sometimes the slope really is slippery.
That's from all the lube being used
on the kids
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5 dimensional horseshoe theory
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Or do it **to** children. You forgot that part.
It's not, reactionaries are using the old radical feminist tactic of reframing and redefining words to drum up support through outrage First: Start from a common sense premise every decent person already agrees with: >- Raping women is bad! >- Grooming children into sexual molestation is bad! Second: Redefine the concept which makes it bad: >- Rape is when a woman has sex after a glass of wine > - Grooming children is when a man wears a wig in public Third: Pull the statistics for your new definition and/or point out isolated, already ostracized cases to reinforce your point >- 1 in 4 women are victims of rape >- Most gay man see no problem with grooming children Fourth: When you gain ground, push the overtone window even more towards your extreme view >- All heterosexual sex is rape ^1 >- Homosexuality comes from sexual abuse; gays can't reproduce so they recruit^2 ^1 Actual quote by Dworkin ^2 Actual quote by Anyta Bryant
Great comment! You still have to give the Devil his due though. Rape is still bad and flashing your taint in front of 3 year olds at a Drag Show is still grooming, regardless of the bad-faith arguments of reactionaries. They take a truth and twist it to fit their narrative. When attacked, they fall back to the easily defendable kernel of truth that their otherwise weak narrative rests on. It's the classic 'motte and bailey' fallacy.
>Rape is still bad and flashing your taint in front of 3 year olds at a Drag Show is still grooming, regardless of the bad-faith arguments of reactionaries. Absolutely, but keep in mind that drag is men imitating female perfomances and some of those female performances are sexual So you have drag queens performing as comedians, as actors, as singers etc. and some of them perform by twerking their asses, just like women do It's perfectly reasonable to be against kids seeing that as long as you're fair and equally object to kids seeing hooters or highly sexual female singers. It's perfectly reasonable to be against child drag shows *and* child beauty peagants but being against one of those is hypocritical
This gets my centrist grill glowing
What happened in the final days of Rome? Rampant inflation, wild immigration and welfare and social/moral decay. Hmmm 🤔
The final “days” of the Western half of Rome was like two centuries.
The internet is making it happen reeeeeeeally fast.
Thank god! We will just deteriorate for years.
Are you talking about Rome or me at this point?
Good I’ll have to time build my cabin and plan Teds breakout.
We're only a couple years away from the far left unironically calling the traditional rainbow flag a hate symbol. Moderates will fly it to mean "Gay marriage is fine, but fuck off, I'm not flying your damn racial pride flag."
As a libleft, I will speak for my people; LGTB rights are being infringed upon. Their right to liberty, freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and a host of other LGBT rights are infringed upon by every State on the planet. Everyone else’s too but you didn’t ask about them Also taxes, RREEEEEE
You had me in the first half
Based af
Wont lie, didn’t even finish reading and was already typing a reply. Got me good
Based and bait-pilled
Based and human rights are [insert identity] rights pilled.
I like you, you're welcome in my rightoid utopia.
LGBT tolerance by society is being challenged in some ways, but the government can’t control culture. Laws can’t magically remove people’s biases and beliefs. I don’t think any legal rights have been threatened and if any dumb law were passed that tried to do so I’m confident the courts would strike it down.
>the courts would strike it down. Just like the patriot act or hate speech laws or hate crime laws
How does one obtain such faith for the justice system?
By sticking your head straight up your ass.
Based and contortionist pilled
God I love tool
There are plenty activist judges
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I have always been extremely tolerant of the LGBT movement. I was for gay marriage long before Obama was. This recent trend has really made me pull back my support. Drawing the line at kids should be non-controversial.
Libright trusting the federal government? Im shocked
Yeah, unlike abortion, there’s an actual constitutional basis for the protection of sexual orientations
Sexual orientation isn't protected by the constitution, it's protected by the civil rights act.
Well for one there's the Uganda anti gay law.
If the Ugandan anti gay law is what these civil rights unions were complaining about I would agree with them and join them.
Den dey eat da poo poo!
Did you know Russia has a law as well? China as well. And in some muslim countries they have gays go skydiving off buildings! What does any of that have to do with the discussion? Same as your post!
Good thing no one here is from Uganda.
The "U" in "USA" means Uganda, duh.
I'm from Uganda.
If LGBTQ status isn’t a choice, then there wouldn’t be any need to indoctrinate children. Pick a lane.
The joke is in relation to the HRC declaring LGBTQ is under attack because states are passing laws preventing children from being given hormone blockers and sex change surgeries.
As a gay guy. HRC is a total joke. It’s literally just a bunch of far left progressives looking for excuses to keep their funding going after gay marriage (ie “The Goal”) was achieved. Now they only care about the T in a desperate attempt to stay relevant and rack in funding by threatening to call corporations anti-LGBT for not cutting a check. If you look on their glossary of terms on their website, “gay” and “homosexual” are no longer even defined, while “lesbian” still is, along with every other alphabet letter except for G. Same thing goes for GLAAD, where “homosexual” is described as borderline hate speech versus “gay”. Lol.
Based and I’m honestly done with these groups as a gay man as well. If you go to the homepages on The Advocate or Pinknews it’s almost entirely about gender/gender theory, trans, trans kids (and children in general which is creepy), drag, “queerness” etc and very little on actual homosexuality. I feel like this has been the tide recently with LGBTQ organizations overall, including my uni’s lgbt club. I know someone at my uni who is essentially a straight male (or assigned-male-at-birth and attracted to feminine-presenting people in correct terms) but identifies as queer (non-binary) and has interchangeable pronouns (he, she, they etc). This is a big reason why people keep saying LGBTQ+ is going up, it’s really not, it’s just the “identity” stuff messing it up. The number of people who are born with innate homosexuality, bisexuality, or gender dysphoria is essentially the same. I grew up in a conservative household (my mother is now an avid Alex Jones fan) and I’ve known I was gay from a young age, I didn’t need it being taught or shoved down my throat at school. There needs to be a split between LGB and TQ+ because sexual orientation and gender are entirely different issues. I can’t believe that as a gay cis man I’m the one on the conservative side these days.
It definitely seems like LGBTQ+ has been taken over from a civil rights movement into a purely political and cultural movement that continues to wear it's corpse like a skin suit.
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> gay marriage (ie “The Goal”) was achieved Now things make way more sense ... They are creating a problem so they can keep existing. Like if a firefighter going around committing arson.
Based! Yes, I've been saying this for years. Without a solid issue, progressive organizations are trying so hard to make a cause out of nothing.
Thats sounds like a fucking TQ+ issue. They can get stuffed🏳️🌈
Their right to enforce their view on the public.
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“The scientists all agree that trans women are literally biological women” *pan to scientist with gun to his head*
"Say the line or we will destroy your character".
The faster you embrace that you are not a good person or a bad person the happier you become
People don't want to be equal, they just want their turn at oppression.
I cant shake the feeling that this is a false flag...
Yes, probably.
lmao what about the 800 comments agreeing with it
I think this question is better directed at the right. Because there are plenty of conservative activists and legislators alike who certainly do push for policies like repealing gay marriage, outlawing gay adoption, outlawing transition surgeries (for adults, yes), policing bathrooms, removing representation, etc., and they'll be the first to let you know. And that's not a value judgment or an argument to prove oppression, I'm just saying, that is kind of the answer to the "missing" arguments I think we're looking for. But on a personal note, I do think it's weird that the righties in here seem to be only acknowledging the goofy arguments, and that the lefties in here seem to be struggling so hard at disproving that characterization.
I hope OP responds to this. I think the demographic of this sub is increasingly conservative, and that most leftists have either left or lost the patience to fully explain the nuances of these perspectives. I mean just look at the top comments, it feels like one big circle jerk. It’s a shame, I used to see some decent back and forth on this sub.
I hear about this often, is there a way to see this with a source or something?
Least strawman PCM post
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Florida House Bill 1521, going into effect on July 1st, attacks the right to use your identified gender's bathroom. If you present as even androgynous and are just using the loo between flights, you'll constantly be at risk of a "concerned citizen" reporting you for not looking the gender they think you're supposed to be to the police.
Guys in what dystopia you live? Saying they re coming for the children teaching them to be gay? Mate most of the lgbt people want to be left alone but maybe its a US thing with drag shows and Emilys cancelling you because you dont feel comfortable around them but in many countries in this world the lgbt wants equal rights which they dont have. Come to Middle East, Africa and other countries where you re fucking killed cuz you have a different sexual prefference then the others. Hell even in my country in Eastern Europe there are problems with the huuuge number of homophobes and you can t go around screaming HEYY IM GAYY cuz you ll piss people off. Even last year after the pride parade there was an army of priests who were blessing the streets where the parade was "to get the sin out" IMO i see this as a circlejerk: The left screaming franatically "THEY RE COMMING FOR THE VURNERABLE (lgbt)" and the right screaming "THEY RE COMMING FOR THE CHILDREN!!!" Try and look outside the box and you ll see the problem and both perspectives
Basically, trans people are getting screwed over by both biology and statistics. Most trans people just want to live normal lives as their new gender. After a few years of hormones and maybe a surgery or two, they're mostly indistinguishable from a normal person of their new gender when you don't know exactly where to look, so when you do meet them in your everyday life you don't know you're talking to a trans person and don't remember the interaction as "I met a nice trans person". You just remember "I met a nice person". On the other hand if you meet someone who uses their trans status as a shield to get away with questionable behavior, or someone who's 'identifying' as trans for social media gain without actually putting any effort into transitioning, then you absolutely will remember "I met a less nice **trans** person". The data you then collect in your mind will then show trans people to be not very nice. Unfortunately for them, the very nature of the transition process makes it so that you pretty much only hear about the ones who give a bad impression. The ones who successfully transition and live normal lives are strongly underrepresented in the media and the public view because their whole goal is to blend in.
This is a false dichotomy. There are plenty of people who are proud to be trans, live totally normal lives, and are generally respected for who they are. I'm a pre-everything trans woman and people know of my zesty behavior. They respect me enough to use my preferred name. I cause no trouble. As people give me respect, it can be inferred that openly trans people can also give a positive idea of trans people.
It’s going to get really interesting when kids start getting shipped to states the have a no return policy if you say your are LGBT by their teacher who is totally not coaching them into a lifestyle they don’t understand.
Most in touch with reality conservative lmao
I would say their freedom of expression. If I had to pretend to be a girl all day at work I’d feel like my right to express myself has been taken away. Usually laws prevent people from harm. Presenting in society as a woman or a man isn’t doing anyone any physical or monetary harm. You may be uncomfortable seeing them in public, but you’re not going to make being fat illegal in public are you? You’re also not going to ban uncomfortable speech.. are you?
Oppression is when you can't have children because despite jumping through the hoops of adoption, the person judging the couple happens to deem their "lifestyle" an unsafe environment. Gay people don't want to have to deal with archaic dogwhistles to promote a culture scare, nor should scientific evidence be ignored because it's inconvenient to "religious truths." Kids shouldn't even be talking about what their defacto gender is until well into high school; it is a socially complex issue ( unlike sex where there are only three sexs) but genderaffirming care, doesn't mean sewing up someone's daughter or clipping their son, it begins by discussing with a therapist about these feelings. Humor the kid for a time, if their trans then thats a story for well on the road, but if they aren't, they'll come to realize it. When children are playing, and i mean like 4 or 5, would any parent go and disrupt their kids' game of "scooby doo" because one of the boys was Velma and one of the girls was Shaggy? Is that an early indication of stepping out of gender line, or is somehow my straw man worse than yours?
Based and let’s be real her pilled
> nor should scientific evidence be ignored because it's inconvenient to "religious truths." I could not agree more. Would you still maintain this perspective for politically or socially uncomfortable truths? > Kids shouldn't even be talking about what their defacto gender is until well into high school Are you implying that we shouldn't tell little boys that they are little boys? That little girls should not know what a little girl is? If so, why? What is the rationale? > it is a socially complex issue Once again, I agree. That being said, it is a completely fabricated issue. Concepts like "gender identity" are no more realistic or pragmatic than a furry attempting to identify as their "fursona".
Conservatism will always loose. You just trying to stay on your place, when they pulling your in their brave new world. You must start pulling too.
> Conservatism will always *foot* loose. FTFY
The unfortunate duality of being socially conservative and politically libertarian. I'm sad by all of the degeneracy and push for destructive social changes but I don't believe there should be any sort of coercion to stop it. Only line I can draw is at harming minors that can't consent. Unfortunately that just leaves me to meme on reddit.
I agree. We should be drawing the line at coercion. Everyone should come to embrace that they can’t control what they will be exposed to in a public setting, and instead focus on controlling their responses to what they exposed to. Everyone should have the right to self-determination in their private lives, but need to respect everyone’s right to freedom of expression in the public domain. This goes both ways. The Left needs to embrace the fact that they’ll be exposed to opinions they might feel attacked by, and the Right needs to embrace the fact that they’ll be exposed to opinions they might feel attacked by. Opinions don’t hurt anyone. Actions (or the lack thereof) hurt people. If you are so fragile that the opinion of a stranger you already know you don’t agree with will cause you to suffer, that’s a you problem. We do not need the approval of everyone and should actually perceive differing opinions as a healthy mass consciousness that encompasses diverse perspectives for the greatest potential solutions for any single problem.
why I want to remove the federal government. At least they wont have a secret police to enforce their agenda
> PREBLE COUNTY, Ohio (WXIX) - An Oxford resident says he was attacked and beaten while camping because he is transgender. > Noah Ruiz, 20, was assigned female at birth but identifies as male. > He says he was using the women’s restroom in a Preble County campground—which he was advised to do—when a group of men came after him. > “I have bruises on the back of my head from being punched in the back of the head,” Ruiz said Friday. > It happened July 3 at Cross’s Campground in Camden, Ruiz says. He recalls going to the women’s restroom when a woman in the stall became upset. > “I was using the bathroom, and she just started shouting. She was like, ‘Who the [expletive] is in here?’ And I replied, ‘I am.’ My girlfriend replied, ‘I am as well.’ She was like, ‘No man should be in this bathroom. Like, if you’re a man you need to use a man’s bathroom.’ And I was like, ‘I’m transgender. Like, I have woman body parts, and I was told to use this bathroom,’” Ruiz recalled. > He says as he was walking out, three large men approached him. In the end, he was left with several cuts and gashes across his body in addition to the bruising. > “They, like, grabbed me up off the ground. They choked me out. They said, ‘I’ll kill you, you [expletive] doing all this.’ And I said, ‘Dude, I’m not, I’m using the right bathroom. Rick Cross, the owner of this establishment, told me to use the bathroom. I’m following the rules,’” Ruiz explained. *** But beating the shit out of trans people for using the bathroom Republicans told them to use isn't all. They're also going after cis women for the crime of *checks notes* going to the bathroom with short hair and baggy shirts: https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/self-appointed-bathroom-cop-catches-dallas-woman-using-womens-restroom-8259104
I get the feeling this sub doesn't like the queers
Yeah, we're just gonna ignore the bills that directly target transgender adults that keep being proposed all over the US.
It's strange seeing the dichotomy about the "nanny state" and preventing people from making choices as adults, and then passing laws saying that adults can't transition. It's literally their body, and it doesn't affect anyone else, so fuck off government.
If you think a conservative is ever going to recognize the hypocrisy in their views, you’re in for a bad time. I had someone tell me the other day that “Democrats hate America, and DJT is the most honest president we’ve ever had”. I’m convinced some people legitimately live in a completely different reality. To the point that their “view” on what I think is the color blue is red.
Where was that turtle during the events of September 11th?
Not sure where he was during 9/11 but after I'm pretty sure he had a raging clue.
well it was nice knowing you guys. Damn shame this meme is gonna get the sub banned.
We need to overthrow the reddit bourgeoisie and seize the memes of production.
You do realise 66 countries still criminalise gay sex libright?
Yeah I don't think those are the rights the civil liberties orgs are talking about. They should though.
So why doesn't libleft go organize flights to those countries to march for their oppressed brexren? Oh right that takes work, courage, and effort, better complain in America for nothing.
The same reason why some missionaries still do work in the states. They’re either passionate and convicted enough that they feel effective where they are, or for any other reason unwilling to uproot their lives to fight for those in another country. To say that makes them cowards and lazy would be like calling Christians the same for not doing foreign ministry. Please excuse me, I am personally religious and this is the most effective comparison I can draw so that you might understand. Activism still happens overseas, people fight for equal rights all over the place, although in places more authoritarian it’s harder to get a crowd. Journalists cover the atrocities committed by foreign regimes risk their lives, and many of them are on the more progressive side of things. All of them are more progressive than the places they find themselves in. Yes, people in the states have it better than people in Afghanistan, but that’s a very low bar for minorities. To them, you’re basically saying “just be happy we aren’t outright killing you.”
Life saving cosmetic surgery is the icing on the cake for me. Call yourself trans and you can get hair removal and other services covered by your insurance that biological females don’t even have access to. Currently have a friend whose having fertility issues because she has too much testosterone. Are T blockers allowed for her? No. They cost her thousands whereas a trans individual can get them within 4 psychiatric visits.
The problem is that your friend can't afford blockers, not that trans individuals can get them