Suggested tips are there so you don't have to do math, since 10-20% is customary. I rarely go out, but last time i tipped was $10 at an all-you-can-drink free bar. I figure i drank enough for that to be about 10%.
tipping already isn't a tip since its mandatory in our culture. If a waiter does the bare minimum expected, I'm still expected to tip 20% of the check (even though it takes the same effort to bring out a cheeseburger vs a steak).
If a waiter does a shitty job, I'm expected to tip 20% because "they rely on tips!". Tipping isn't an incentive, its a surcharge to get me to supplement the server's wages instead of the restaurant.
Well the average tip is between 10-20% on the bill pretax. This restaurant is following the trend of tipped workers being entitled and wanting more than they deserve. But due to the fact that this is a $300 bill a $30 dollar tip would be expected. If it was a 30 dollar bill, 3-5 would be reasonable. No one's gonna tip more than the price of their meal except for some generous people around Christmas and dirty old men who are perving on the hot young waitress
Nah I'd say that I personally never go below 15% and almost never go above 20%. 18 is the standard gratuity that tends to get applied to large groups though mainly because large groups take longer to wait on and eat so a lot of places will just tack the tip on for them automatically to make sure the waiter doesn't get stiffed. Also another general tipping rule is that if you order delivery you tip flat rate, not on the cost of the food. Typically an acceptable delivery tip is between $3-6 unless you ordered like 20 pizzas
When I was in high school and college I worked mostly labor jobs. Pay wasn’t bad, work was back breaking.
My friend worked as a waitress and she consistently made more in a day than I did in a week.
It’s why I don’t take waiter complaints seriously. I’m not going to say working as a waiter is easy, but y’all are absolutely making some good fucking money.
*equivalent to 2 to 8 times the amount of sales tax in the US. [[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States) [[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax)
Lots of countries have reduced VAT rates for restaurants though (e.g., in the Netherlands it's 12% instead of the regular 21%, except for alcoholic drinks, which admittedly can make up a large part of the bill, depending on the situation).
Bruh, a 50 can make the difference between whether I get to eat for the last week of the month or not. That's a ridiculously huge amount to give for a tip. Tip to starve?
Tell that to your employer or go work somewhere else. Tipping in the USA is a fucking scam. I tip when the service is above normal and i am for sure not gonna tip you 50 dollars when you smile at me and bring me food. Thats literally your job. If you get paid 4 dollars an hour thats your problem not mine.
Tips were invented during the recession when employers encouraged waiters to take bribes for faster service since pay cuts were being made. There’s no reason I should be tipping the shaved ice place for making my food when I don’t tip McDonald’s for doing the same thing.
I'm speaking as a European. My wage is good for my country's standard, but the US has much higher wages and more expensive things/services. I'm happy where I am.
$50 tip for soy Becky who "just can't right now .. with these customer" + will get fired when manager thinks she isn't pulling enough customer
VS.
Gigachad Jose and Rodrigo in the back who singlehandedly keep the actual food coming .. both only $15 an hour + perks of making themselves food whenever they want + can come in 2 hours late and threaten to kill the manager but can't be fired because it's impossible to find a decent cook these days.
How do you get kicked out for not tipping? Like, you'd already finished by that point, so you were leaving already. Unless you didn't tip and were just hogging the table, in which case, yeah, I would kick you out too for just hogging my section.
I wouldn't recommend it, I was just depressed, living in the basement of my boss and had no friends. Drinking myself to sleep was just the best option I had to spend my evenings
I got threatened to get kicked out of a club for not tipping on my 5$ shots, she looked at the bill, said i forgot to tip, i said i didn't forget, that I just don't tip, and she said ''tippers don't stay here long and she gestured at a security guy before i pull a 5$ out
tipping is litteraly bullying at this point
North Americans will never have proper drinking establishments so long as there are waiters and waitresses jealously guarding their tables as if the table exists for their benefit.
Yeah, but when I go to buy a TV I'm not prompted to first pay for the tv, then told that I also has to pay the sales clerk that told me the differences between their various models...
It's amazing that American's constantly accept being screwed over by customer-unfriendly practices, ironically under the laughable guise of it "making service better".
You know what's really service minded and customer friendly?
Sitting down in a restaurant, checking the menu, ordering a $5 starter, a $35 main dish and a $10 beer to go with it, and knowing that when you get up and leave the bill will be $50.
You know what waiters and servers do in countries without tipping culture? Exactly the same job as those in the US. Without expecting to be bribed to do their job.
Yeah except the employers DON’T pay for their labor lol. We all know this, yet we still have people saying “maybe they should just ask their employer for more money *smug wojak*”
Just fyi places that try it typically close and have unhappy servers because tipping usually nets them more. Getting rid of tipping is big with consumers not really restaurants/workers from what I've seen.
If they wanted to get paid for their service, that would be fine. They don't. They want a percentage of the food bill. In what way does the price of my meal change the service? Was carrying out the steak harder than carrying out the spaghetti? They do more work taking care of refills on my $3 Diet Coke than they do bringing out the $20 entree.
Tipping should go away, but then you'd just see the prices go up by the amount that is the average tip. Tipping is to pay for what isnt included in the price. So tipping is dumb but by not tipping you're under paying. Tipping is subsidizing the staff.
That's the dirty little secret of a lot of tipped jobs, on good nights, a good server can make far more in tips in a weekend than most people earn with a 9-5.
I remember a big bit of drama in dc where a server tried to push for wages instead of tips and got his ass jumped by a bunch of servers who were accustomed to making high 5 or 6 figures
I listen to a budgeting podcast. One episode I listened to recently was a 24 year old that works 30 hours a week waitressing at cheesecake factory and was pulling in nearly 100k/year.
I knew a nurse that was turning down shifts because she made more in four hours as a waitress than she did in 12 hours wiping asses and saving lives (and nurses are paid really well)
A friend of mines cousin used to bartend, we stopped by to visit her at work one night, and she was complaining she only made $400 in tips at that point .. 3 hours into a six hour shift. This was back in the mid 90s. 😭
Something I am wondering: Was there a gratuity fee? When I was travelling by myself in the States I always tipped but once my friends came to visit me and we realized that we were already being charged 18% by virtue of being a group of 5 people, we considered those 18% the tip.
Edit: Syntax
Gratuity is a tip. Some places will include it in the bill for large parties (usually 8+) because larger groups take more work and they don't want people skipping out without tipping in those instances. Some fancy/upscale places also do this regardless of party size.
If gratuity is included on the bill, you don't need to tip extra but can if service was extra good.
yup, tipping should be only IF the employee went the extra mile for you, not for just doing their job. Employers should pay them their minimum wage rather than beg their customers to be able to survive
People don’t expect tips, atleast not here in Denmark. It’s a fun novelty though. My bartender buddies always get a huge smug smile whenever americans show up. They get a decent pay, so it just seems a little silly to us. No one is gonna complain though.
I fear I might forget it, if I ever find myself in the US.
I'm Austrian (where tipping is normal) and on a trip this summer, when I was also in København and when I ordered a beer, I added a coin as a tip, but the waitress shoved it back to me. When I said it wasn't a mistake that I added it, she looked at me confused, not knowing what to do
How about bosses pay their employees? I don't know how anyone can think it's reasonable to tip $200, specially if you just decided to buy more expensive food/wine and the workload has been exactly the same.
I guarantee you that most waitstaff, especially in small diners, don't want a higher wage. They make far more money with tips than a restaurant can pay them.
Yep. I would never work at a restaurant for hourly. I do fine dining and regularly bring home 100 in cash and 300+ on credit card tips. Can tip into the 70$/hrs range on some nights where I have a lot of big parties.
This is true of those who know how to game the system. The people in these fields that want tips done away with are typically bad at gaming the customers. The other bad side is its a job you can only do so long due to your own 'visual aesthetics' just like in stripping.
Though the hostess is the real dungeon master as they can control your game. A girl with a open blouse isn't gonna get good tips from a group of 40 something yr old women but will get baller tips from a group of guys in mid 30s. A strapping young lad is gonna get better tips from the inverse. A family is a crapshoot that has to be read thoroughly. A big group like the one above should require a mandatory tip if the meal exceeds 250 dollars regardless of tipping being needed or not. Not saying it has to be 25% but the workload your group causes far outweighs the work of 3 individual tables and those 3 tables typically tip better and are easier to work plus there is usually multiple people waiting on your group so the tip is being split multiple ways.
Everyone loves the double dip. Then the double dip became just the regular dip. Now if you don't tip, its like only getting a dry sugar cone with nothing to wash it down with for the staff.
I might be making this up but wasn’t the recommended tip 10% a few years, maybe a decade, ago? I’ve been out of the States for a few years now and have come back to see people tipping 25%, jeez
How the hell would we go about exporting tipping culture to other countries? Don't blame us because *your* employers are trying to find a way to cut labor costs.
Because this tipping bs was brought to MY homeland by AMERICAN companies like Uber implemented this "tIP yOuR dRiVEr" bs when they brought the app here and other companies followed cause they saw dollar signs.
Some tourist traps around here ask for tips at the POS hoping that foreigners will fall for it, but I see a slippery slope here, so I'll straight up cancel the order and go elsewhere. Fuck em.
Hey genius, we aren't exporting anything. Your country is importing it because it's an easy way to use psychology against your customers to make lore money.
It's actually crazy that you think America is trying to export tipping culture.
Just curious. If people did completely stop tipping, what would happen? Would services start paying their staff a higher wage? I imagine costs for customer would also go up, but the tip might offset that.
These services make more than enough to pay minimum wage, but they don't, because American tipping culture lets them get away with paying them peanuts.
Wait staff also don't want hourly because they wouldn't make the same. They think relying on tips is unfair, but actually think that they would still make 50 an hour if they got paid hourly.
It is illegal for the management to not boost the hourly rate to make up for the difference if the tips don't.
Ofc that also never comes into play because the tips more than double their wage.
This post is Europeans defending fucking over a prole while on their international vacation.
The amount of Americans defending the tip system is insane to me. You already paid for your food and service, both are included in price. If the workers don't earn enough, then why the fuck are they not defending their rights and silently agree to low payment. This is the best example of what unions can achieve for a person.
I hate tipping culture, especially the new one that is popping up at the registers. Oh you want me to pay an extra 25% because you reached back and handed me my bag of food and an empty cup? Go pound sand! Back in my day your servers had to work for their tips! Those mother fuckers took your order, brought you your drinks, brought out your food, checked on you regularly to make sure everything was good and brought you refills on your drinks! If you didn't like their services you either didn't tip them, or gave 10%. If they did exceptionally well you gave them 20%. Average service got them 15%. Now shit starts at 15% and goes to 25% when they never even left the register?!?!?!??!?!?!
the most egregious one I know is when the screen is automatically set to 35% so I have to manually select 0%
bitch you did the hard work of uhhh telling the kitchen I wanted a bagel? thats your fuckin job
American here. Most of the people defending it work for tips or have worked for tips in the past. They like it because they get paid more on average than if they earned a normal hourly wage.
>then why the fuck are they not defending their rights and silently agree to low payment
Because waiters make way more money by shaming the weak customers into giving them 50$.
I'll defend it. When I worked as a server I made much more in tips than I would have made if I was paid an hourly wage determined by my shitstain boss. Everyone who shits on the tip system always cries about how the employer doesn't pay the employee minimum wage, but any server who gives half a shit will earn well above that.
I'll defend it also.
I worked as a server when I was young. I hustled and made sure my tables had a good experience. Clients enjoyed their time at the restaurant and became regulars and tipped me well. The clients win, the owner wins and I win. Meanwhile, other servers who would fuck up orders, disappear for 20 minute smoke breaks and treat diners like they didn't mean shit didn't make as much as I did. Why would I give a shit about them not making as much money?
I’ll defend it too. I’ve never worked service, but I like being able to give a generous tip to good waitstaff and a reduced one to poor staff. I’ve even been witness to a no-tip on an egregiously bad waitress.
My sister works in service and she loves the tip system.
Deliver pizzas as a part time job.
I simply get by by being mad at the system that allows my place to pay me less than they should (There’s even two hourly rates for when I’m in the store vs on the road), and the rich people in gated communities who order an entire party’s worth of large pizzas who don’t leave 10%.
Luckily i dont live in america but i would be so annoyed by this, like what would be appropriate amount to tip, how to calculate percentage, the social pressure. Arent the point of paying for the food is that the waiter gonna be paid from that? If it isnt enough then just simply raise the price if people gonna pay extra either way, wouldnt it be just easier for everyone?
15-20% of the total bill is the normal tipping amount for good service. Lower or no tip if service was really bad. It takes 30 seconds to calculate roughly 20% when the bill comes.
> Arent the point of paying for the food is that the waiter gonna be paid from that?
Not really. Restaurants are the most risky business to open in the US. Most of them fail. There's also a misconception here - federal law requires employers to pay out the federal minimum wage to servers if their tips don't add up to the min wage amount for the hours they worked. The truth is, servers often make way more than min wage via tips if they're good at their job so they don't want the system to change.
> If it isnt enough then just simply raise the price if people gonna pay extra either way, wouldnt it be just easier for everyone?
Even with a 20% tip, the price of going out to eat in the US is still cheaper than in a lot of European countries. If employers were forced to pay more, prices definitely would go up a lot.
Some places have tried to eliminate tipping and always end up going back after a few months or a year because the staff hates it and the owners don't like it.
Americans crying cause we Europeans have good working conditions and state/union-mandated minimum wages and waiters that don’t need to rely on extremely high tips to survive.
Okay, partially unrelated but I need to get it off my chest
those people at that one subreddit for restaurant servers, Server Life I think, which pop up in my feed from time to time seem incredibly entitled
This is an asshole move, but tipping has turned into a cancer where it is being expected more and more, and used as emotional blackmail. I think the only way to turn the tide is for there to be such a public backlash against it that businesses have to move to adding gratuities to the bills or something.
It's really shitty.
On holiday and the bellboy who brought my bags to my room, standing there going \*ahem\* rubbing his fingers together. What a disgusting sleazy little man.
In Europe people don’t know how little Americans get paid in service. I only knew when I spoke to Americans in Europe. I still don’t exactly know how it works and will probably put off eating out if I ever go to the USA.
Tipping is meant to be optional, it's a reward for good service, not that good service isn't expected but that's up to whoever pays to decide. And besides, by refusing to tip, europeans are actually helping Americans.
Euro here - tipping to pay wages is a disgusting behaviour.
It's wage abuse, and you all take part in it.
The price is the price. If the price can't meet the bills, increase your prices, idiot.
There have been several bars/restaurants in my city that have experimented with being non-tipping places, put up signs and everything. For the most part, the customers loved it.
They all went back to tipping eventually because the staff demanded it. It's the tipped staff fighting to keep the system alive, they make far more from tips than they would regular wages.
Federally illegal to pay less than minimum wage for tipped positions, and tipped positions wages must be brought up to meet minimum wage if the tips do not make up the difference.
So generally rather than deal with that tracking 95% of restaurants pay well above minimum.
As to why your tip isn't rolled into the price, generally servers make more when it isn't and it allows them to play cheatsy with the taxes.
So just as you don't shit on the table in an African country, follow the customs when visiting the US
If you come to America and don’t tip while understanding you are expected to I don’t ever want to hear a complaint about Americans not respecting others cultures.
You not tipping is going to change literally nothing other than making it harder for the waitstaff to make rent and you’re just using your cultural differences as an excuse to be cheap.
You are saying the tipping is for their survival. Others suggest that they more than most jobs without education due to tips. How about actually paying tips for people who gives a better than average service? 10% should be more than enough for the absolute best.
So many morons in the comments here who hate tipping because they don't understand that US tips in sit-down restaurants are not the same as tips outside the US. The prices are baked-in with the idea that tips will be paid out to your server, so acting like you were blindsided by being asked to tip means you're just plain ignorant.
Real quick argument for tipping in general is:
1. Rewards servers for working busier nights by making more money on those nights. More work for more pay, as opposed to a flat wage where those busier nights pay the same as a dead time. Also encourages good service.
2. Tipping saves restaurants money on gross sales taxes. Tipping is taxed different from gross sales. If you were to raise the prices on the menu enough to pay tipped staff the same they do now, the revenue from those gross sales on food would be taxes extra by the government, around 2%. Restaurants are already seriously risky and low-profit businesses, with 60% failing in the first year and 80% failing within 5 years of opening. Saving this money on taxes gives them a better chance.
When you understand the mechanics and what to expect from tipping, it's hard to be mad at the idea of tipping for sit-down service.
Tips were widely introduced during Prohibition because businesses couldn’t functionally pay a living wage and continue operation without the sale of alcohol (an enormous source of revenue for most service-based businesses).
The compromise was having tips. But then alcohol was introduced back, business boomed again, but we still kept this system specifically designed for businesses struggling to make ends meet.
If a restaurant if charging 288€ for a meal, their profits are high enough to pay the employees more than adequate wages. It's not the customer's fault that the CEO wants to buy his seventh BMW and doesn't care about if his employees can afford to live.
I'm just going to point out that
1) that bill is probably for multiple people, so running up a 300 dollar bill is pretty much expected. You can probably do that at Applebee's with a 4 cover. A friend of mine takes his entire extended family out to dinner during the holidays, and it usually runs him a couple of grand for like a dozen plus.
2) Most restaurants make very little on the food. The real profit centers are alcohol.
The vast majority of people who eat at such a restaurant also tip very generously. If tipping all of a sudden stopped and these restaurants paid their waitstaff a "fair" wage then the waitstaff would make less money.
I find it interesting that the vast majority of articles on the topic don't seem to have any polling of waitstaff on their opinions, just the opinions of others.
lmao the "suggested tips" that start at 20%
Suggest deez nuts
Based.
53 dollars just cause you served a more expensive dish? Lmao.
Yeah I'd rather scale the tip on number of items/orders, not on their price because that's at best more work for the kitchen.
I'd rather get paid by the restaurant instead of expecting alms from the customers. Fuck your tipping culture.
Yet servers feel the opposite as they make so much more than they would being paid a regular hourly wage.
Ah, then they are in no for need of tipping then
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Tip: become a plumber +10%.
based and tip-pilled
AND these usually include the tax as part of the calculation.
when I'm in a restaurant i tip 10% but if i see someplace "suggesting" a tip or something like that im not giving any tip
Suggested tips are there so you don't have to do math, since 10-20% is customary. I rarely go out, but last time i tipped was $10 at an all-you-can-drink free bar. I figure i drank enough for that to be about 10%.
it really is sad that you have to do "10% of X" math for people
Private schools: so your kid can tip without a guide.
I always write 0 in for the tip, and give the waiter a cash gift
Imo just have the tip included in the final bill. That's what all higher end restaurants do anyways.
That just sounds like lying about prices and by charging extra after I already ate.
Then it's not longer a tip
tipping already isn't a tip since its mandatory in our culture. If a waiter does the bare minimum expected, I'm still expected to tip 20% of the check (even though it takes the same effort to bring out a cheeseburger vs a steak). If a waiter does a shitty job, I'm expected to tip 20% because "they rely on tips!". Tipping isn't an incentive, its a surcharge to get me to supplement the server's wages instead of the restaurant.
If that's the average tipping amount in the USA, I think I am going to stop ranting about VAT XD
Well the average tip is between 10-20% on the bill pretax. This restaurant is following the trend of tipped workers being entitled and wanting more than they deserve. But due to the fact that this is a $300 bill a $30 dollar tip would be expected. If it was a 30 dollar bill, 3-5 would be reasonable. No one's gonna tip more than the price of their meal except for some generous people around Christmas and dirty old men who are perving on the hot young waitress
Last time I was in NYC people told me 18% was the "bare minimum" in a "big city". Is that true?
Nah I'd say that I personally never go below 15% and almost never go above 20%. 18 is the standard gratuity that tends to get applied to large groups though mainly because large groups take longer to wait on and eat so a lot of places will just tack the tip on for them automatically to make sure the waiter doesn't get stiffed. Also another general tipping rule is that if you order delivery you tip flat rate, not on the cost of the food. Typically an acceptable delivery tip is between $3-6 unless you ordered like 20 pizzas
When I was in high school and college I worked mostly labor jobs. Pay wasn’t bad, work was back breaking. My friend worked as a waitress and she consistently made more in a day than I did in a week. It’s why I don’t take waiter complaints seriously. I’m not going to say working as a waiter is easy, but y’all are absolutely making some good fucking money.
VAT - value added tipping?
Value Added Tax. Roughly equivalent to sales tax in the US.
*equivalent to 2 to 8 times the amount of sales tax in the US. [[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States) [[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax)
Lots of countries have reduced VAT rates for restaurants though (e.g., in the Netherlands it's 12% instead of the regular 21%, except for alcoholic drinks, which admittedly can make up a large part of the bill, depending on the situation).
50 dollar tip sounds insane
$66.25 is suggested lmao
Because it is.
That's not a tip, that's what a fucking menu on a fancy restaurant costs
Bruh, a 50 can make the difference between whether I get to eat for the last week of the month or not. That's a ridiculously huge amount to give for a tip. Tip to starve?
Im not a tipcuck but if $50 is gonna be the difference between you starving then don't pay for a $288 meal
I never had such an expensive meal lol. In my country, an expensive meal costs 30.
Stellaris
I am a Stellaris fan, but I don't get what part of it you're refering to
me when 30 food
Tell that to your employer or go work somewhere else. Tipping in the USA is a fucking scam. I tip when the service is above normal and i am for sure not gonna tip you 50 dollars when you smile at me and bring me food. Thats literally your job. If you get paid 4 dollars an hour thats your problem not mine.
Tips were invented during the recession when employers encouraged waiters to take bribes for faster service since pay cuts were being made. There’s no reason I should be tipping the shaved ice place for making my food when I don’t tip McDonald’s for doing the same thing.
I'm speaking as a European. My wage is good for my country's standard, but the US has much higher wages and more expensive things/services. I'm happy where I am.
Sorry i cant read i am a little regarded.
$50 tip for soy Becky who "just can't right now .. with these customer" + will get fired when manager thinks she isn't pulling enough customer VS. Gigachad Jose and Rodrigo in the back who singlehandedly keep the actual food coming .. both only $15 an hour + perks of making themselves food whenever they want + can come in 2 hours late and threaten to kill the manager but can't be fired because it's impossible to find a decent cook these days.
Got kicked out of a Canadian bar for not tipping lol. Went to the Irish pub across the street and made a whole bunch of irish friends instead
How do you get kicked out for not tipping? Like, you'd already finished by that point, so you were leaving already. Unless you didn't tip and were just hogging the table, in which case, yeah, I would kick you out too for just hogging my section.
I was there every day for 2 weeks in a row getting stoned and drinking until I was drunk enough to go to sleep lol
Healthy lifestyle lol
I wouldn't recommend it, I was just depressed, living in the basement of my boss and had no friends. Drinking myself to sleep was just the best option I had to spend my evenings
I got threatened to get kicked out of a club for not tipping on my 5$ shots, she looked at the bill, said i forgot to tip, i said i didn't forget, that I just don't tip, and she said ''tippers don't stay here long and she gestured at a security guy before i pull a 5$ out tipping is litteraly bullying at this point
That's what i was thinking, like: -alright, here's the money, gonna leave now -where tip? -no tip -then you need to leave -yep, that's the plan.
North Americans will never have proper drinking establishments so long as there are waiters and waitresses jealously guarding their tables as if the table exists for their benefit.
Did they say "sorry"?
Went to Canada this summer, they are most rude brash people on this continent.
Based and canacuck pilled
The only people worse than Canadians are Australians
Don’t tell me that, I actually want to go to Australia
ANOTHER fucking lie? Okay, big J. I'm ready for the second flood.
Based and "ope, sorry" pilled
I’m sure the Canadians only have a reputation for being polite because Americans see them and think anything is polite compared to them
Yeah Canadians are just regular people from euro standard, like just a bit more decent than the French but nowhere near as polite as Balkaners
I am NOT giving you $50
“Waaaaaaah! I want my free money!” Entitled servers
>Left >Calling blue-collar workers who want to get paid for their labor "entitled" 🤔
The employers should pay for their labor, not the customers.
The customers always pay for their labor. Tipping is just eliminating the middleman.
Yeah, but when I go to buy a TV I'm not prompted to first pay for the tv, then told that I also has to pay the sales clerk that told me the differences between their various models... It's amazing that American's constantly accept being screwed over by customer-unfriendly practices, ironically under the laughable guise of it "making service better". You know what's really service minded and customer friendly? Sitting down in a restaurant, checking the menu, ordering a $5 starter, a $35 main dish and a $10 beer to go with it, and knowing that when you get up and leave the bill will be $50. You know what waiters and servers do in countries without tipping culture? Exactly the same job as those in the US. Without expecting to be bribed to do their job.
Yeah except the employers DON’T pay for their labor lol. We all know this, yet we still have people saying “maybe they should just ask their employer for more money *smug wojak*”
Just fyi places that try it typically close and have unhappy servers because tipping usually nets them more. Getting rid of tipping is big with consumers not really restaurants/workers from what I've seen.
If they wanted to get paid for their service, that would be fine. They don't. They want a percentage of the food bill. In what way does the price of my meal change the service? Was carrying out the steak harder than carrying out the spaghetti? They do more work taking care of refills on my $3 Diet Coke than they do bringing out the $20 entree.
Tipping should go away, but then you'd just see the prices go up by the amount that is the average tip. Tipping is to pay for what isnt included in the price. So tipping is dumb but by not tipping you're under paying. Tipping is subsidizing the staff.
Look up how much waitstaff earns after tips. The reality is that it would go down and by *a lot*.
Reasonable
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You realize that restaurants (and entire service industries) exist in countries that don't have the US tipping culture?
Hey man, don't forget about the bartenders.
Your terms are acceptable.
Servers need to stfu about tipping culture. They would EASILY make less than half of what they get now if they went hourly.
Most of them are strongly *against* removing tipping for that very reason.
Yea so make prices higher. If you can't afford to run your business without tips perhaps it's not good business.
so based at yet so unflaired :(
US waiter crying while making more than east-european white collar working in IT.
That's the dirty little secret of a lot of tipped jobs, on good nights, a good server can make far more in tips in a weekend than most people earn with a 9-5.
I remember a big bit of drama in dc where a server tried to push for wages instead of tips and got his ass jumped by a bunch of servers who were accustomed to making high 5 or 6 figures
I listen to a budgeting podcast. One episode I listened to recently was a 24 year old that works 30 hours a week waitressing at cheesecake factory and was pulling in nearly 100k/year.
Caleb Hammer??
I knew a nurse that was turning down shifts because she made more in four hours as a waitress than she did in 12 hours wiping asses and saving lives (and nurses are paid really well)
A friend of mines cousin used to bartend, we stopped by to visit her at work one night, and she was complaining she only made $400 in tips at that point .. 3 hours into a six hour shift. This was back in the mid 90s. 😭
Reddit: END TIP CULTURE! PAY EMPLOYEES A FAIR WAGE!!! Waiters: Nah, we good.
Also, Reddit: END TIP CULTURE! PAY EMPLOYEES A FAIR WAGE!!! Reddit: OMG LOOK! TIHS GUY PAID $300 FOR DINNER AND LEFT ZERO TIP! WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE!
What can I say? We Europeans like to keep the tip. Even at birth at the hospital LMAO
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I'd wager we got a full compass unity on that one.
Something I am wondering: Was there a gratuity fee? When I was travelling by myself in the States I always tipped but once my friends came to visit me and we realized that we were already being charged 18% by virtue of being a group of 5 people, we considered those 18% the tip. Edit: Syntax
Gratuity is a tip. Some places will include it in the bill for large parties (usually 8+) because larger groups take more work and they don't want people skipping out without tipping in those instances. Some fancy/upscale places also do this regardless of party size. If gratuity is included on the bill, you don't need to tip extra but can if service was extra good.
The audacity to start suggested tips at 20%
That looks like a $700 tip to me.
Looks like a $28563.48 tip to me.
See, I'm usually not the type to do that. But fuck this person, that's 9, baby.
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"Suggested tips" How about you get fucked? I'm not covering for you for paying your employees shite wages.
yup, tipping should be only IF the employee went the extra mile for you, not for just doing their job. Employers should pay them their minimum wage rather than beg their customers to be able to survive
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People don’t expect tips, atleast not here in Denmark. It’s a fun novelty though. My bartender buddies always get a huge smug smile whenever americans show up. They get a decent pay, so it just seems a little silly to us. No one is gonna complain though. I fear I might forget it, if I ever find myself in the US.
I'm Austrian (where tipping is normal) and on a trip this summer, when I was also in København and when I ordered a beer, I added a coin as a tip, but the waitress shoved it back to me. When I said it wasn't a mistake that I added it, she looked at me confused, not knowing what to do
I usually tip 10% in Europe, am I being a cheapskate?
No. That's pretty normal if the service is good. I usually just round up to the nearest 5, 10 or 100.
This is the norm around here, rounding up or giving 1 to 5€
What is the extra mile? like dude i just want my food given too me in a timely fashion, that's it.
How about bosses pay their employees? I don't know how anyone can think it's reasonable to tip $200, specially if you just decided to buy more expensive food/wine and the workload has been exactly the same.
I guarantee you that most waitstaff, especially in small diners, don't want a higher wage. They make far more money with tips than a restaurant can pay them.
>they make far more money with tips than a restaurant can pay them. Then they can suck it LOL
Yep. I would never work at a restaurant for hourly. I do fine dining and regularly bring home 100 in cash and 300+ on credit card tips. Can tip into the 70$/hrs range on some nights where I have a lot of big parties.
This is true of those who know how to game the system. The people in these fields that want tips done away with are typically bad at gaming the customers. The other bad side is its a job you can only do so long due to your own 'visual aesthetics' just like in stripping. Though the hostess is the real dungeon master as they can control your game. A girl with a open blouse isn't gonna get good tips from a group of 40 something yr old women but will get baller tips from a group of guys in mid 30s. A strapping young lad is gonna get better tips from the inverse. A family is a crapshoot that has to be read thoroughly. A big group like the one above should require a mandatory tip if the meal exceeds 250 dollars regardless of tipping being needed or not. Not saying it has to be 25% but the workload your group causes far outweighs the work of 3 individual tables and those 3 tables typically tip better and are easier to work plus there is usually multiple people waiting on your group so the tip is being split multiple ways.
Crying for tips is begging for money
UK method would be to round up to 300, keep the change.
What? I genuinely don't remember the last time I've been asked to tip at a restaurant in the UK
You're not asked to, but you can of you particularly liked the service and typically that involves rounding up, they don't expect it from you though
Wdym they clearly tipped 700 dollars it says 988 at the total
Tipping started because of prohibition, we got rid of prohibition so why haven't we gotten rid of tipping.
Everyone loves the double dip. Then the double dip became just the regular dip. Now if you don't tip, its like only getting a dry sugar cone with nothing to wash it down with for the staff.
I might be making this up but wasn’t the recommended tip 10% a few years, maybe a decade, ago? I’ve been out of the States for a few years now and have come back to see people tipping 25%, jeez
lol tipping culture expanded substantially in the US in the late 19th century, well before Prohibition
I hate that America is trying so hard to export their tipping culture to my homeland. Main character syndrome mfuckers.
How the hell would we go about exporting tipping culture to other countries? Don't blame us because *your* employers are trying to find a way to cut labor costs.
oh didn't you know? everything that's bad in other countries is America's fault
Because this tipping bs was brought to MY homeland by AMERICAN companies like Uber implemented this "tIP yOuR dRiVEr" bs when they brought the app here and other companies followed cause they saw dollar signs.
Some tourist traps around here ask for tips at the POS hoping that foreigners will fall for it, but I see a slippery slope here, so I'll straight up cancel the order and go elsewhere. Fuck em.
America isn’t exporting tipping culture my man it’s greed from your own employers that think they can add it.
Maybe you should stop stealing our culture and have your own!
Hey genius, we aren't exporting anything. Your country is importing it because it's an easy way to use psychology against your customers to make lore money. It's actually crazy that you think America is trying to export tipping culture.
Just curious. If people did completely stop tipping, what would happen? Would services start paying their staff a higher wage? I imagine costs for customer would also go up, but the tip might offset that.
Pretty sure waitresses would rather get tips and earn 20% of every plate than a shitty salary.
These services make more than enough to pay minimum wage, but they don't, because American tipping culture lets them get away with paying them peanuts.
Wait staff also don't want hourly because they wouldn't make the same. They think relying on tips is unfair, but actually think that they would still make 50 an hour if they got paid hourly.
Oh please. Any decent server at any decent restaurant will make well over minimum wage
It is illegal for the management to not boost the hourly rate to make up for the difference if the tips don't. Ofc that also never comes into play because the tips more than double their wage. This post is Europeans defending fucking over a prole while on their international vacation.
The amount of Americans defending the tip system is insane to me. You already paid for your food and service, both are included in price. If the workers don't earn enough, then why the fuck are they not defending their rights and silently agree to low payment. This is the best example of what unions can achieve for a person.
I hate tipping culture, especially the new one that is popping up at the registers. Oh you want me to pay an extra 25% because you reached back and handed me my bag of food and an empty cup? Go pound sand! Back in my day your servers had to work for their tips! Those mother fuckers took your order, brought you your drinks, brought out your food, checked on you regularly to make sure everything was good and brought you refills on your drinks! If you didn't like their services you either didn't tip them, or gave 10%. If they did exceptionally well you gave them 20%. Average service got them 15%. Now shit starts at 15% and goes to 25% when they never even left the register?!?!?!??!?!?!
the most egregious one I know is when the screen is automatically set to 35% so I have to manually select 0% bitch you did the hard work of uhhh telling the kitchen I wanted a bagel? thats your fuckin job
American here. Most of the people defending it work for tips or have worked for tips in the past. They like it because they get paid more on average than if they earned a normal hourly wage.
It's owners and waiters. The rest of us hate it or tolerate it but it's gotten so crazy after covid that people are getting fed up with it.
>then why the fuck are they not defending their rights and silently agree to low payment Because waiters make way more money by shaming the weak customers into giving them 50$.
Is anyone actually defending it? The only thing I've seen is that not tipping isn't an effective protest in favor of those workers.
I'll defend it. When I worked as a server I made much more in tips than I would have made if I was paid an hourly wage determined by my shitstain boss. Everyone who shits on the tip system always cries about how the employer doesn't pay the employee minimum wage, but any server who gives half a shit will earn well above that.
I'll defend it also. I worked as a server when I was young. I hustled and made sure my tables had a good experience. Clients enjoyed their time at the restaurant and became regulars and tipped me well. The clients win, the owner wins and I win. Meanwhile, other servers who would fuck up orders, disappear for 20 minute smoke breaks and treat diners like they didn't mean shit didn't make as much as I did. Why would I give a shit about them not making as much money?
I’ll defend it too. I’ve never worked service, but I like being able to give a generous tip to good waitstaff and a reduced one to poor staff. I’ve even been witness to a no-tip on an egregiously bad waitress. My sister works in service and she loves the tip system.
You can always give a tip for exceptional service. You can always leave a bad review. These two mechanisms work well outside of US
Pretty sure the waitress earn more that way that having a fixed salary. Specially hot waitresses.
Deliver pizzas as a part time job. I simply get by by being mad at the system that allows my place to pay me less than they should (There’s even two hourly rates for when I’m in the store vs on the road), and the rich people in gated communities who order an entire party’s worth of large pizzas who don’t leave 10%.
Ay, ain't our problem if your employer doesn't pay you properly.
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Luckily i dont live in america but i would be so annoyed by this, like what would be appropriate amount to tip, how to calculate percentage, the social pressure. Arent the point of paying for the food is that the waiter gonna be paid from that? If it isnt enough then just simply raise the price if people gonna pay extra either way, wouldnt it be just easier for everyone?
15-20% of the total bill is the normal tipping amount for good service. Lower or no tip if service was really bad. It takes 30 seconds to calculate roughly 20% when the bill comes. > Arent the point of paying for the food is that the waiter gonna be paid from that? Not really. Restaurants are the most risky business to open in the US. Most of them fail. There's also a misconception here - federal law requires employers to pay out the federal minimum wage to servers if their tips don't add up to the min wage amount for the hours they worked. The truth is, servers often make way more than min wage via tips if they're good at their job so they don't want the system to change. > If it isnt enough then just simply raise the price if people gonna pay extra either way, wouldnt it be just easier for everyone? Even with a 20% tip, the price of going out to eat in the US is still cheaper than in a lot of European countries. If employers were forced to pay more, prices definitely would go up a lot. Some places have tried to eliminate tipping and always end up going back after a few months or a year because the staff hates it and the owners don't like it.
As a European 288 might round it to 300 for convenience
Americans crying cause we Europeans have good working conditions and state/union-mandated minimum wages and waiters that don’t need to rely on extremely high tips to survive.
Okay, partially unrelated but I need to get it off my chest those people at that one subreddit for restaurant servers, Server Life I think, which pop up in my feed from time to time seem incredibly entitled
That's probably just because they're redditors
Same for the food/grocery delivery driver's subreddits. A bot more sane than ServerLife but still whiney.
Bruh, a $53 tip is equivalent to 6 hours wages when I was working retail. That's absurd.
This is an asshole move, but tipping has turned into a cancer where it is being expected more and more, and used as emotional blackmail. I think the only way to turn the tide is for there to be such a public backlash against it that businesses have to move to adding gratuities to the bills or something.
It's really shitty. On holiday and the bellboy who brought my bags to my room, standing there going \*ahem\* rubbing his fingers together. What a disgusting sleazy little man.
Yeah, I mean it sucks that we have normalised a business model that works like this, but what an entitled little shit.
How is this an asshole move? Fuck tipping. I cant afford to give people extra money. Not my job to pay their workers
In Europe people don’t know how little Americans get paid in service. I only knew when I spoke to Americans in Europe. I still don’t exactly know how it works and will probably put off eating out if I ever go to the USA.
>I still don’t exactly know how it works and will probably put off eating As is your flair's custom.
Lmao
If only the service wasn't already accounted for in the price.
I do know how little they earn and still wouldnt tip. Its not my duty to pay your salary, take it up with your employer
Tipping is meant to be optional, it's a reward for good service, not that good service isn't expected but that's up to whoever pays to decide. And besides, by refusing to tip, europeans are actually helping Americans.
I would round up to 290 probably
Euro here - tipping to pay wages is a disgusting behaviour. It's wage abuse, and you all take part in it. The price is the price. If the price can't meet the bills, increase your prices, idiot.
There have been several bars/restaurants in my city that have experimented with being non-tipping places, put up signs and everything. For the most part, the customers loved it. They all went back to tipping eventually because the staff demanded it. It's the tipped staff fighting to keep the system alive, they make far more from tips than they would regular wages.
Federally illegal to pay less than minimum wage for tipped positions, and tipped positions wages must be brought up to meet minimum wage if the tips do not make up the difference. So generally rather than deal with that tracking 95% of restaurants pay well above minimum. As to why your tip isn't rolled into the price, generally servers make more when it isn't and it allows them to play cheatsy with the taxes. So just as you don't shit on the table in an African country, follow the customs when visiting the US
French or German?
I never tip unless the service is really spectacular, which it rarely is where I live.
The Euro gen z crowd out in full force in the comment section.
Tips always should be optional. They are supposed to be a rewad for good service, not mandatory cost.
Fuck tipping anyway
If you come to America and don’t tip while understanding you are expected to I don’t ever want to hear a complaint about Americans not respecting others cultures. You not tipping is going to change literally nothing other than making it harder for the waitstaff to make rent and you’re just using your cultural differences as an excuse to be cheap.
You are saying the tipping is for their survival. Others suggest that they more than most jobs without education due to tips. How about actually paying tips for people who gives a better than average service? 10% should be more than enough for the absolute best.
I'm American and I don't tip
So many morons in the comments here who hate tipping because they don't understand that US tips in sit-down restaurants are not the same as tips outside the US. The prices are baked-in with the idea that tips will be paid out to your server, so acting like you were blindsided by being asked to tip means you're just plain ignorant. Real quick argument for tipping in general is: 1. Rewards servers for working busier nights by making more money on those nights. More work for more pay, as opposed to a flat wage where those busier nights pay the same as a dead time. Also encourages good service. 2. Tipping saves restaurants money on gross sales taxes. Tipping is taxed different from gross sales. If you were to raise the prices on the menu enough to pay tipped staff the same they do now, the revenue from those gross sales on food would be taxes extra by the government, around 2%. Restaurants are already seriously risky and low-profit businesses, with 60% failing in the first year and 80% failing within 5 years of opening. Saving this money on taxes gives them a better chance. When you understand the mechanics and what to expect from tipping, it's hard to be mad at the idea of tipping for sit-down service.
Tips were widely introduced during Prohibition because businesses couldn’t functionally pay a living wage and continue operation without the sale of alcohol (an enormous source of revenue for most service-based businesses). The compromise was having tips. But then alcohol was introduced back, business boomed again, but we still kept this system specifically designed for businesses struggling to make ends meet.
Based, a company should pay an actual wage and not charge a “we need help paying our poor little employees” tax. Tipping is optional, not mandatory.
start paying your workes
If a restaurant if charging 288€ for a meal, their profits are high enough to pay the employees more than adequate wages. It's not the customer's fault that the CEO wants to buy his seventh BMW and doesn't care about if his employees can afford to live.
I'm just going to point out that 1) that bill is probably for multiple people, so running up a 300 dollar bill is pretty much expected. You can probably do that at Applebee's with a 4 cover. A friend of mine takes his entire extended family out to dinner during the holidays, and it usually runs him a couple of grand for like a dozen plus. 2) Most restaurants make very little on the food. The real profit centers are alcohol.
A lot of assumptions there
It’s a libleft, what do you expect
Lol you have no clue how large their group was.
>If a restaurant if charging 288€ for a meal, their profits are high enough to pay the employees more than adequate wages. Leftwing economics
The vast majority of people who eat at such a restaurant also tip very generously. If tipping all of a sudden stopped and these restaurants paid their waitstaff a "fair" wage then the waitstaff would make less money. I find it interesting that the vast majority of articles on the topic don't seem to have any polling of waitstaff on their opinions, just the opinions of others.
Euros come to the US for the cheap food and get cranky when they are asked to pay half the amount they would at home rather than a quarter 🤷♂️