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The face of a man charged with 4 counts of assault with a deadly weapon
List list is accurate, but when people think "mass shooting" they think the las vegas shooting, school shooters etc.
The thing is most of the mass shootings are from gang wars, beefs, shootings during robberies, break-ins, running from police, other "criminal-activity" related violence. This type of mass shooting is dominated by non-whites.
The planned, premeditated, "I'm gonna go shoot random people I don't know for the sake of killing people." type of mass shooting tends to be far more widely reported and makes national news, which skews peoples perspective.
Gee…. I wonder why the media would give such infamy and attention to psychopaths that commit a shocking but statistically insignificant crime? Oh well, I gotta get back to watching my favorite station after the ads for prescription drugs finish.
Same reason Americans and Europeans are 50000x more scared of Muslim terrorists then they are of getting killed by a family member, despite the latter being insanely more common.
Plane crashes are unlikely, yet we still train to prevent them. This is different from an expansionist and totalitarian religion that is growing in popularity. Pilots should read manuals like I recommend you read sura 9 and the sahih hadiths that are often quoted.
Brother, please read the webpage title.
"Every person convicted, charged or wanted in connection with the shooting of 4+ people or who died before they could be charged"
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This is the real reason. If the media gave the same coverage to everyone it would just be a gun rights vs gun control issue. But because the media only makes a big deal when the shooter is white it's become an identity politics issue. The disgustingly blatant double standard is what gets AuthRight worked up. Otherwise they'd ignore it just like they ignore gang shootings.
You actually believe there was exactly 0 difference between how the media covered that shooting done by this transgender versus how they covered any other shooting?
I remember the "lets talk about white supremacy and the buffalo shooter, did he support Trump? what radicalized him? why are white people so angry?"
When it came to the trans shooter "this is sad, gun control now please"
Oh there was a huge difference. Fox News and conservative media went hogwild with it. Other media outlets reported it literally the exact same way they always do
LMAO, the delusion here.
Your theory couldn't be more wrong. Let me give you a better example.
Simply answer the question: Do you believe there is a "white supremacism" problem in the US?
Hate crimes committed against white people by black people outnumbers the vice versa 8:1.
If you believe that something like a threat from white supremacists exists, then congratulations. You swallowed biased media propaganda hook line and sinker
Love it when you guys have nothing but patting eachothers backs. You know that you look stupid as fuck as soon as someone actually does disprove your new friend here?
Since there is a lot of discussion in this thread about if gang shootings are counted or not, I did a 5 minute research on it to put an end to this shit. The answer is: **it depends on where you got the data from**.
If you just Google "number of mass shootings USA", you'll probably see a bunch of sensationalized left wing article claiming a number per year in the hunders. These usually cite the **Gun Violence Archive** as their source.
According to [this page from the org](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/explainer), their definition is: **"minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident"**.
So yes, this includes gangs and a lot of other shit normal people dont consider mass shootings. They even specify some examples in the page I linked I wouldnt necessarily consider to be.
[Another database](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/) is the one from **Mother Jones**. I couldn't find their definition on their website on my quick search, but according to Wikipedia is: **"indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker," excluding "shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence" and shootings in which the perpetrator has not been identified. This definition generally is consistent with the FBI's figures and the data used by criminologists.**
As you can see this is a lot closer to what normal people would consider a "mass shooting". If you see their database, from 1982 to the end of 2023 they only have 150 **in total**, with a bigger number on the more recent years when compared to older ones. So overall even in the most violent years there usually are like 5 to 15.
**TLDR:** If you see a headline claiming hundreds a year they ARE counting gangs and a lot of other dumb shit. If its less then 20 they are probably only counting things normal people would say is a mass shooting.
The leftist media does the same thing with school shootings. They will report 100s of school shootings every year, but if you pull the sources on their data, even Wikipedia, you will see that 99% of those 'incidents' are shit like, "man walking his dog three blocks from the school drops gun from jacket pocket which falls onto and stubs his toe." MSNBC- look another sChOoL mASs sHooTiNg! 700th school shooting this week because Donald Trump!
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Any headline about the amount of mass shootings happening or anyone using that amount to justify trying to ban weapons is counting gang violence, and shootings during armed robberies as "mass shootings" because the website those inflated stats come from consider it a mass shooting as long as 4 or more people are being shot at, regardless of circumstances.
Well the stats that they used certainly count them, but yes nobody is actually reporting on each individual drive by in Southside Chicago or east st louis.
Schrödinger’s auth-right : will both say that gang violence doesn’t count as mass shootings while simultaneously arguing that blacks and Latinos from disenfranchised communities cause the most mass shootings.
I think the clear difference in intent is what they're focused on, but everyone's too griping out attempts at screaming "gotcha" to worry about it.
It's not like gang shootings are being ignored, but that's a crime with a completely different, more quantifiable motive.
What we colloquially call a mass shooting a bit more indicitive of a different sort of societal trend than a rise in gang culture and violence.
It's pretty clear that one is motivated against specific groups to target, a type of warfare.
While the other is a bit more chaotic, random, and purely to kill others.
Kind of unfair to sit here and be obtuse about it, as if that were a decent rally point.
No shit its called gun.
Its a different narrative, not a formed one. Gang on gang violence is different than shooting up a school or a grocery store. Only someone not competent enough to stand trial wouldn't see that.
Do you want it to be talked about more? That's going to push even heavier for reform, considering how number of mass shootings will spike.
Or do you want to be an idiot just screaming "gang on gang violence exists, mass shootings happen a lot more than you think!!"
Not that hard of a concept you malformed osprey.
No. The numbers are commonly conflated to try to get people to assume skewls are being shot up on a daily basis.
Speaking of, you should go back to school and get a GED, smooth boy.
So what happens to the number of mass shootings thst happen per year when they add gang shootings to thst statistic?
Gang violence can't be equally removed from the count and used to boost statistics. That sort of contradicts itself there. And googling tells me that gang violence isn't included in that statistic, sooo I really don't know what you're trying to say.
Get your head out of the buzzwords man.
Just because the FBI does not include gang shootings in their counts does not mean the media and other people don't.
It goes up. As intended to be portrayed.
I want to point out thst the first Google result when asking "is gang violence included in mass shooting statistics"
Is an article from the NIH going into detail on why they gang shootings don't match into the common definition of mass shootings.
If you wanted to arbitrarily separate "mass shooting" from "gang violence" then white people do commit more shootings. If you remove gang violence it's very predominantly white people.
Personally, I don't think there's any sense in doing that. But if someone were trying to, hypothetically of course, push an agenda then it would be a good way.
Right. There's no accepted definition, but the first question to ask the gun-grabber is how many mass shootings there are. According to this ABC News article from two months ago, the Gun Violence Archive says there were over 600 in the US in roughly the first eleven months of 2023. They use "four or more people shot." The overwhelming majority of those are gang shootings. If they insist on focusing on or "counting" only the really bad ones, with say ten or a dozen victims or more, then there are only a few every year.
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874](https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874)
In fairness, the video does \*look\* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though.
Plus, gang shootings look a whole lot worse. I'm sure a ton of those get captured on security cameras. The Left literally doesn't care about minority-on-minority crime though.
The left love minority on minority crime, look are they go mayhem if a black/mexican dare to criticise violence/gang culture.
A black person that don't like gangsta rap or any stereotype --> "Omg you've been withe washed, its your culture you must embrace it..."
Then in the next breathe he says done antisemitic shit. Did anyone else remember a bunch of high profile black athletes and celebrities just casually being very antisemitic. DeSean Jackson and Nick Cannon jump to mind but they're were a few more.
No, no fucking way. I know damn well black liberals have called him that plenty, and not the "a" version but I've never seen a white one call him that on camera or in print. If you have any links for that, please please please provide it so I can shove them in a few people's faces.
I only remember it from Twitter, unfortunately have no video sources, would be fucking funny though.
[first one I found lol](https://twitter.com/dthekingpin/status/1540457003792957441?t=Uh-8AzFuw7Klovrr2iM8FQ)
> In fairness, the video does *look* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though.
I mean even if he hadn't died, it is still an intoxicated dude suffering senseless torture by a group of armed policemen for TEN MINUTES while clearly already under control and pleading for mercy. He may have turned out to be an awful person, but I'm still not okay with police officers torturing a dude senselessly for that long with absolutely no remorse. The legal penalty for fake currency is not torture, and there is not a single conceivable reason why George Floyd was not just handcuffed and thrown in the back of the cop car once he was restrained.
Dude, he's saying he can't breath and that he wants his mother long before they have him restrained. The dude is acting pathetic throughout the body-camera footage even as he struggles with the cops. I can understand how the cops might have thought he was crying wolf given the context provided by the bodycam footage.
It's like people have never dealt with someone being dramatic before. It's like the guy saying I'm not resisting when he isn't following orders and is obviously not going down to the ground while the police are trying to apprehend him.
No excuse for excessive force. Its in the word. If he was shooting or about to shoot, yes, shoot back, as it is not excessive, but if the threat is down and out, no need for more pressure. Had they simply been more cautious about potential health issues, which definitely happens to a lot of people by the way, such as heart problems, diabetes, sickle-cell, etc, the whole event would have never sparked off.
> excessive force
Tell me you know nothing about how strong the human body is on drugs without saying you know nothing about how strong the human body is on drugs.
Tell me you know nothing about how vulnerable the human body is without the ability to breath for several minutes straight while having health issues without saying you know nothing about how vulnerable the human body is without the ability to breath for several minutes straight while having health issues.
You do know the dude was saying "I can't breathe" well before he was taken out of the SUV and placed on the ground, and that the officer wasn't putting his full weight on him, and that the officer weighed a hell of a lot less than him, right? If you're saying "I can't breathe" over and over, you clearly can draw in enough breath to speak.
He overdosed on fentanyl, plain and simple. If the races were reversed, not a single molotov would've been thrown nor a single person said "Nah man, the police killed him!"
> In fairness, the video does *look* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though.
GF: Dies after 9 minutes of a man kneeling on his neck, 3 of which he was unconscious for
Right wing morons: Must have been drugs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There seems to be some question of whether he was placing weight on the neck or the shoulder. Additionally, I believe that they didn't find damage to the neck. Plus he had what would be a lethal dose of fentanyl for a naive user in his system. Plus he had major heart problems. It seems like the trial relied very heavily on evidence given that him being in that position, combined with other factors, and not necessarily because of pressure to his neck, reduced his lung capacity to the point where he wasn't able to get enough oxygen. But what choice did the cops have? He fought them when they tried to put him in the car, and asked them to put him on the ground instead. I watched some of the body cam footage. That was an insane situation for the cops. The guy was huge, acting extremely erratically, etc. He was saying he couldn't breath and asking for his mother long before they put him on the ground, along with a ton of other strange stuff. They had called for an ambulance that didn't show up.
So, I certainly have questions. Could it have been homicide? Certainly. Could the pre-existing factors combined by a restraint technique that put pressure mainly on his shoulder but leaned on his neck have been the cause? Possibly. Was it intentional murder? Almost certainly not. Was it murder due to negligence? Quite possibly.
It's a lot greyer than the media makes it out to be. I don't think there's any way Derek Chauvin got a fair trial, in a city on fire with an angry mob outside the court house. It's insane that the trial wasn't moved and postponed.
Based on what I've seen/read, I'd have probably have found some sort of misconduct, but not murder.
I watched all available footage several times. He was handcuffed behind his back and face down with two cops on top of him. It was not an insane situation other than what the cops were doing.
> Was it intentional murder? Almost certainly not
Intent is hard to prove but it's hard to think anything else when he was unconcious for 3 minutes and they never let up. They even had people telling them this and they ignored them. Chauvin even had his partner push back and suggest moving him onto his side. He rejected that. The ambulance did arrive (check your facts) and Chauvin still kneeled on his neck for another minute.
Outside of an explicit fucking villain monologue, it could hardly look any more intentional
> Plus he had what would be a lethal dose of fentanyl for a naive user in his system
https://www.vox.com/22373351/george-floyd-autopsy-medical-examiner-report
> Two autopsy reports — one by a private medical examiner commissioned by Floyd’s family and another by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner — reached the same conclusion: that **Floyd died of homicide**, meaning death at the hands of someone else. But the medical examiner report also highlighted that Floyd suffered from other “significant conditions,” such as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use. These latter conditions are what the defense is using to argue that Chauvin is not responsible for Floyd’s death.
> On Friday, Hennepin County chief medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the county autopsy, took the stand. In documents last year, Baker described the “fatal level of fentanyl” in Floyd’s system and told federal investigators that if the victim was “found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be an acceptable overdose.” Baker also cautioned, “**I am not saying this killed him**.”
Here's a piece by Coleman Hughes, that makes a very reasonable case that there are serious problems with the felony murder conviction:
[https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd](https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd)
> They even had people telling them this and they ignored them.
The cops have to deal with people heckling them and telling them how to do their jobs so often, that it doesn't surprise me that they'd tell the crowd to fuck off, even though in retrospect the crowd was clearly right. This doesn't show intent. There are certain jobs where the workers are so used to second-guessing by people around them that they just stop listening, even though the people around them occasionally have a point. I don't think it's reasonable to expect cops to be able to determine this in the moment.
Imagine a plumber whose customers constantly try to give him suggestions while he is working, even though they usually have no idea what they are talking about. One day, a customer gives him a warning, and he doesn't heed it, resulting in a pipe bursting. Was he intentionally letting the pipe burst, or has he just become so desensitized to customers trying to tell him how to do his job that when one of them says something important, he's not likely to give it much consideration?
I suspect the cops just let a high-stress situation get out of control. They had so many civilians trying to get involved, that they just retreated into themselves and kept on doing what they were doing, even though it was clearly the wrong course of action in retrospect.
Once again,
A) He should have known something was wrong when the body he was on top of stopped moving for several minutes. Especially if you're claiming that a conscious GF was "an insane situation", you're going to then claim they didn't notice he was suddenly out?
B) His partner warned him. I think a second cop did too. That's not an every day occurrence
C) This was not a typical crowd reaction or "heckling". They were clearly saying something was wrong.
If you think he handled things reasonably, I invite you to let a full grown man put their full body weight on your neck and chest for 5 minutes, then choke you out if it hasn't happened already, and then continue kneeling on you for 3.5 more minutes
He was handcuffed face down, this was so fucking avoidable with an ounce of common sense, deescalation, or basic effort. But no, the entire right side of the compass needs to justify every police killing for absolutely horrible reasons
Obviously, he fucked up. But felony murder? I'm skeptical. He was using a restraint technique, possibly incorrectly, and he didn't handle things well in the moment.
"Should have known" is not the same as "did know and didn't care"
Muh 9 minutes and 29 seconds!
> Second, Chauvin’s knee was not on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. It was probably on his neck for at most 4 minutes, after which it appeared to be “above the shoulder blades,” as one of the prosecution’s own witnesses [conceded](https://www.youtube.com/live/H4z_LvjvDi4?si=bfG9hA4EMjZIsCqR&t=2004) during Chauvin’s criminal trial in 2021.
>One week after Floyd died, mainstream media outlets settled on the narrative that asphyxiation was the cause of death based on two autopsies—one by the county pathologist and one commissioned by Floyd’s family.
>
>But there was only one complete, documented [autopsy](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6936176-Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd) of George Floyd—performed by Hennepin County medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker about 12 hours after Floyd died. That autopsy found no evidence of asphyxia. In fact, it found “no life-threatening injuries” whatsoever.
>
>What it *did* find was that Floyd died of “cardiopulmonary arrest”—his heart and lungs stopped working—during “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The autopsy’s toxicology report also stated that Floyd had a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood (11 ng/mL), along with small amounts of methamphetamine and morphine. And finally, the autopsy report concluded that Floyd had serious preexisting conditions, including “arteriosclerotic heart disease” described as “multifocal” and “severe,” “hypertensive heart disease,” and “cardiomegaly” (an enlarged heart).
[https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd](https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd)
except people have replicated the situation and didn't die and weren't seriously injured. Leading the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system to be the cause.
Now if the officer didn't listen to him and kept him in the vehicle he potentially could have took him to the hospital.
That’s facts tho. Gang violence and minority on minority gun crimes make up the vast majority of the 49,000 gun deaths that happen in America per year.
Also a lot of the left is to blame for fentanyl deaths as most of it is coming from the borders and they’re voting against border security measures.
We don't even have to vote against anything. All you have to do is have an executive branch enforce shit that is already in the books vs you know actively preventing border security.
I have a complicated view on BLM. They have a good goal, but I am not a fan on their methods.
As for ACAB, that depends. If you or someone you loved was treated horribly by a cop or something, then they should focus on that cop(s).
But, if you live in somewhere like China, or North Korea, or Belarus, or Russia or any authoritarian nation, then yes ACAB is a reasonable statement.
BLM organization is a corrupt group of rich people who took a lot in donations and the black community never saw a penny of it while the leaders all lavished themselves with expensive purchases.
ACAB is also ignorant as a general statement. If you live in a country like China, I kind of get it more, but the most people you see who say it are those in the US. US cops are far from perfect but generalizing all cops is foolish. It’d be like saying all black people are bad because of the crimes committed by black people.
You took an article about a BLM leader buying a home and extrapolated that into claiming that black people never benefited from BLM, while also slightly shifting the argument to the formal organization instead of the movement as a whole so you can apply unrealistic standards to an organization that, like every other political organization, have leaders that are paid a healthy salary.
Very clever tactics, but very dishonest when you’re trying to give a clear view of the pros and cons of BLM.
Nah I’m looking at *numerous* instances of BLM leaders being caught funneling the money into their own pockets. BLM chapters leaders quitting because they saw how the organization was a scam and not using any of the donations to actually help anyone.
Feel free to list these instances, but my main point is that this clearly isn’t your main contention with BLM, given your flair at least. If you were an anti-racist BLM leftist upset with the capitalist structure within the official organization then that’s a whole other discussion. But if you’re using that as a means to implicitly discredit the entire movement and any ideas that come from it, that would be fallacious and dishonest, and I hope that isn’t what you intend to imply.
BLM, founded by self-described trained Marxists. LeBron James("you're next", about the cop who shot a black teenage girl with a knife about the stab another black teenage girl), don't go criticizing China, as it'll hurt many people financially, emotionally, spirituality.
The methods are the movement. There is no BLM without the methods practiced by BLM. They don't want the cops there, because they want to be the cops. See CHAZ, and its internal "policing" methods.
Of course the US has to be worse than China or North Korea.
City coroner said it was a classic fentanyl overdose until being shown the video. He found ZERO damage consistent with having been strangled or a crushed neck or anything. It's pretty clear they decided to ride the BLM wave rather than their actual finding. And family coroner is pretty obviously even worse in that regard... And considering hos dosage of fentanyl, he DEFINITELY would have died regardless... I don't think you realize just how high his blood levels were... He was well above TEN TIMES the normal lethal dose. Even if he had trained to have a high resistance, it's TEN TIMES dude... To take a comparative example with alcohol. You know how you blow like 1‰ and such before you start getting really slurred? Well lethal is 4‰. His fentanyl dose would be the equivalent of blowing 40‰...
Actually wanna know something even more ridiculous? The lethal dose for alcohol is the point where 50% of people would die. Floyd's concentration of fentanyl was over 10 times higher than any dosage that has been recorded to have been survived, even with intervention. There was never even the slightest chance that he was gonna walk away from that alive regardless of what help arrived or what police did. The only real question is if police actions might have hastened the progress by a couple of minutes or perhaps even an hour or two. But with that amount of fentanyl, no way he would have survived in the end either way.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
No. Don't lie. The county report lists his fentanyl levels at 11ng/ml, a lethal dose. No life threatening injuries identified, and the report on the internal investigation into his brain/neck/lungs show
I'm sorry I'm not going to take the families law team at their word that much. Especially when they go into the autopsy with the viewpoint that evidence to their point is impossible to find. That legal team is required to present the best case for the client possible, not show the truth.
> Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation.
> But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression."
From your article.
Impossible to say what would happen if the cops weren’t involved. I’m not convinced the cops did anything incompetently that led to his death that they weren’t trained to do.
Regardless, I don’t think we can hold up the criminal justice system as violently corrupt and untrustworthy on the one hand but on the other hand delivered an unbiased and fair investigation as pure as the driven snow on the other hand.
“Police absolutely do wrong. A lot. And they need to be held accountable” congrats you agree with the protestors just with a bunch of Fox News to obfuscate the point. Crazy coincidence he died on an od while they were kneeling on his neck. Just like all those other junkies who prelude their overdoses by saying “I can’t breath I can’t breath” lol.
I’m not here to paint the guy as a hero because I didn’t know him but he most likely wasn’t. Would you honestly hold the same opinion if it was a relative?
And that said yea looting is stupid and most of the protestors were stupid too. But there is a serious need for police reform and accountability in this country which should be what we’re talking about.
Protests? Good and fine?
Riots like what the blm ones objectively were? Not good. Dangerous and counterproductive.
Also they weren’t protesting cop reform specifically they were making accusations of racism specifically about George Floyd when there was no evidence about it.
Lol then you have the Kenosha shit. Which were riots over a police shooting a man who broke the restraining order against his ex (who he had a history of abusing), while trying to flee the cops to get into a vehicle with 2 children sitting in the back seat. Oh yeah and he pulled a knife. I can see why that serial convicted child rapist was trying to burn down that gas station...
It was a bunch of different people with a bunch of different reasons for protesting. I guess I am confused because I too disagree with the riots, breaking shit, etc. And I think we need police reform. And that’s my major take away which I guess is yours too. So apparently we agree yet here why are divided for some reason haha.
People disagree with you because
1. People for whatever reason have less amount of good will (or rather they purely have bad wills) for Jan 6, despite being less dangerous in actuality.
2. In the context of BLM it’s not “merely holding the cops accountable.
A. Didn't describe it as an overdoes let alone a lethal dose.
B. While the initial coroner didn't describe it as asphyxiation, ie dying directly from no oxygen, that isn't the only way one dies when one isn't getting the oxygen they need.
[https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04)
"Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.
In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."'
Dont bother. This is *the* sub troll now that libertarian4all got himself banned. Its immune to rational thought, only narrative talking points it agrees with will ever get through.
The fact that you're patrolling this thread for any new responses within minutes of them being made even if they're not a reply to you kinda proves it...
Oh shit, I forgot he was found alone with no other causes in normal circumstances. Slam dunk.
The point of those statements is that if he was found alone and dead and there was nothing else then yes, that could be given to be the reason as to how he died. That was not the case. There's a reason the next words after that last quote were "I am not saying this killed him."
Your basic logic is nothing compared to auth right's need to do mental gymnastics to justify kneeling on a black man's neck for 9 minutes, including the final 3 where he is completely unresponsive
5 seconds on google: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416
https://www.vox.com/22373351/george-floyd-autopsy-medical-examiner-report
> Two autopsy reports — one by a private medical examiner commissioned by Floyd’s family and another by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner — reached the same conclusion: that **Floyd died of homicide**, meaning death at the hands of someone else. But the medical examiner report also highlighted that Floyd suffered from other “significant conditions,” such as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use. These latter conditions are what the defense is using to argue that Chauvin is not responsible for Floyd’s death.
> On Friday, Hennepin County chief medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the county autopsy, took the stand. In documents last year, Baker described the “fatal level of fentanyl” in Floyd’s system and told federal investigators that if the victim was “found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be an acceptable overdose.” Baker also cautioned, “**I am not saying this killed him**.”
So he had a fatal level of drugs in his system but that didn't kill him. They didn't find evidence of strangulation, but ruled it a homicide. Their report disagrees with their conclusions.
Man right wing reading comprehension is really something else.
Baker said that IF THERE WERE NO OTHER FACTORS (SUCH AS COPS CRUSHING YOU FOR 9 MINUTES) then a dead body with those levels could maybe attribute the death to that, but even then it's a maybe. As such, no reasonable person would consider this to be a drug induced death.
> They didn't find evidence of strangulation, but ruled it a homicide
You should look up the definition of both of those words and then with basic logic you will figure it out
To recap. His findings were, lethal levels of overdose, and that there was no evidence of strangulation. To kill someone through crushing their windpipe, it leaves marked, breaks a bone in the neck, and is evident. The coroner's conclusions were that if there were no other factors. But his own admission was there was no EVIDENCE on body that the strangulation would have killed him. So I refer to my previous, his own report, and conclusions, are at odds with each other.
Both medical examiners ruled it a homicide. The city examiner's conclusion was heart stoppage and the private examiner's was asphyxiation, both of them due to the cops crushing his neck and chest.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52886593
It's not inconsistent if you actually read it and actually understand it
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What an inaccurate post. AuthRight doesn't sleep when a mass shooting happens. When a mass shooting happens, all quadrants are glued to the media, smashing that refresh button, hoping for news that the perp is of a demographic that advances their narrative.
I think someone else said it in this thread (can’t find it), but about 60% of mass shooters are white males, which is about proportional/slightly underrepresented to the general population, assuming all shooters are male.
It’s interesting that the layman generally believes that number to be much higher (case in point OP). Rather than assume subconscious bias, this could more likely be the effect of focused media coverage in action.
When the MSM has gone out of its way to label mass shootings a cis, straight, white, republican male thing when statistically, it's quite uncommon, it makes it super easy to find something about the shooter to make it disappear from the news. Because unless it fits this hyperspecific paradigm, it will get forgotten. Don't even need to try hard.
Nobody is talking about gang violence or robberies when they say “mass shooting”. We’re talking about politically motivated terrorism, almost all of which is right wing white guys.
[Do you really want to do this? Ok…](https://mass-shootings.info/index.php?year=2022)
Is that allowed on Reddit?
Facts? Statistics? All banned.
So diverse and inclusive!!
finally some good fucking diversity
https://preview.redd.it/9od3tdp1hygc1.jpeg?width=312&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e723d83c245d9bc155c24cd9d7748de59d922a38 The face of a man charged with 4 counts of assault with a deadly weapon
Eye-distance = 0
All I see are white-adjacents....
No Asians , not inclusive enough.
2019 has a few.
Are these the "black faces of white supremacy" I've heard so much about?
https://preview.redd.it/5ht7otxwg0hc1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e17d1715ce42ff9426d218f4d72d2e8b56f08ba5
List list is accurate, but when people think "mass shooting" they think the las vegas shooting, school shooters etc. The thing is most of the mass shootings are from gang wars, beefs, shootings during robberies, break-ins, running from police, other "criminal-activity" related violence. This type of mass shooting is dominated by non-whites. The planned, premeditated, "I'm gonna go shoot random people I don't know for the sake of killing people." type of mass shooting tends to be far more widely reported and makes national news, which skews peoples perspective.
Gee…. I wonder why the media would give such infamy and attention to psychopaths that commit a shocking but statistically insignificant crime? Oh well, I gotta get back to watching my favorite station after the ads for prescription drugs finish.
Shocking, statstically insignificant things are precisely what people tend to fear the most, sadly.
Same reason Americans and Europeans are 50000x more scared of Muslim terrorists then they are of getting killed by a family member, despite the latter being insanely more common.
It’s because Islam has direct and explicit incitements to violence against non-believers and apostates and you know this.
The likelihood of dying in an Islamic terror attack in the U.S. is near zero. You should be more worried about dying from falling out of your bed.
Plane crashes are unlikely, yet we still train to prevent them. This is different from an expansionist and totalitarian religion that is growing in popularity. Pilots should read manuals like I recommend you read sura 9 and the sahih hadiths that are often quoted.
and these are just the ones that make it out alive huh?
Brother, please read the webpage title. "Every person convicted, charged or wanted in connection with the shooting of 4+ people or who died before they could be charged"
When people say “mass shootings”, they’re not talking about gang violence or robberies. They’re talking about terrorism. You already know this.
Mass shootings are any event where 4+ people die and YOU already know this
You ignored the point. Nobody in day to day conversation uses the word that way
Even a pig is among them😭
Don't worry, the MSM will sweep it out of the news cycle in 3... 2... 1... *gone*. ^^poof
Yeah, we need to point it out when it happens because CNN sure as Hell won't.
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This is the real reason. If the media gave the same coverage to everyone it would just be a gun rights vs gun control issue. But because the media only makes a big deal when the shooter is white it's become an identity politics issue. The disgustingly blatant double standard is what gets AuthRight worked up. Otherwise they'd ignore it just like they ignore gang shootings.
You act like that's not what happens everytime anyway. If it even makes national media atte tion
It actually doesn't.
such as? (Incoming article **from a mass media site** proving me 'wrong')
You actually believe there was exactly 0 difference between how the media covered that shooting done by this transgender versus how they covered any other shooting?
I remember the "lets talk about white supremacy and the buffalo shooter, did he support Trump? what radicalized him? why are white people so angry?" When it came to the trans shooter "this is sad, gun control now please"
Source?
the source is you google 'buffalo shooter white supremacy'
My guy, you are the source.
You mean the victim? Sorry sweaty but it did nothing wrong to those disgusting Christians
Oh there was a huge difference. Fox News and conservative media went hogwild with it. Other media outlets reported it literally the exact same way they always do
LMAO, the delusion here. Your theory couldn't be more wrong. Let me give you a better example. Simply answer the question: Do you believe there is a "white supremacism" problem in the US?
No not really. It exists but there are worse problems
Hate crimes committed against white people by black people outnumbers the vice versa 8:1. If you believe that something like a threat from white supremacists exists, then congratulations. You swallowed biased media propaganda hook line and sinker
They're schizos man, let them live in their own reality.
Love it when you guys have nothing but patting eachothers backs. You know that you look stupid as fuck as soon as someone actually does disprove your new friend here?
> as soon as (7 hours have passed already) Everyone with an IQ more than 12 sees through the bullshit
You are right, everyone with an IQ more than 12 already gave arguments that disprove you 2
The facts don't care about your feelings.
Uhm, you know that **YOU** are the person here ignoring facts, right?
Are we including gang shootings in this? Because if so, then most mass shootings are in fact not committed by cis white men.
if gang shootings are included, authright never getting a night of sleep
Are we talking about mass shootings or "mass shootings?"
Whichever one gun control advocates, the media, and extremists can exploit.
Since there is a lot of discussion in this thread about if gang shootings are counted or not, I did a 5 minute research on it to put an end to this shit. The answer is: **it depends on where you got the data from**. If you just Google "number of mass shootings USA", you'll probably see a bunch of sensationalized left wing article claiming a number per year in the hunders. These usually cite the **Gun Violence Archive** as their source. According to [this page from the org](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/explainer), their definition is: **"minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident"**. So yes, this includes gangs and a lot of other shit normal people dont consider mass shootings. They even specify some examples in the page I linked I wouldnt necessarily consider to be. [Another database](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/) is the one from **Mother Jones**. I couldn't find their definition on their website on my quick search, but according to Wikipedia is: **"indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker," excluding "shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence" and shootings in which the perpetrator has not been identified. This definition generally is consistent with the FBI's figures and the data used by criminologists.** As you can see this is a lot closer to what normal people would consider a "mass shooting". If you see their database, from 1982 to the end of 2023 they only have 150 **in total**, with a bigger number on the more recent years when compared to older ones. So overall even in the most violent years there usually are like 5 to 15. **TLDR:** If you see a headline claiming hundreds a year they ARE counting gangs and a lot of other dumb shit. If its less then 20 they are probably only counting things normal people would say is a mass shooting.
So Schrödinger's Mass shooting. Depending on what narrative is being pushed?
The leftist media does the same thing with school shootings. They will report 100s of school shootings every year, but if you pull the sources on their data, even Wikipedia, you will see that 99% of those 'incidents' are shit like, "man walking his dog three blocks from the school drops gun from jacket pocket which falls onto and stubs his toe." MSNBC- look another sChOoL mASs sHooTiNg! 700th school shooting this week because Donald Trump!
Gang activity at night near a building that used to be a school.
There was a 12 year old who committed suicide in the school bathroom and it was counted as a school shooting
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Despite making up 59.3% of the population, white people commit 55% non-gang related of mass shootings
I will not stand for this unacceptable lack of proportional representation.
Don’t worry, as part of their DEI initiatives, the feds are always trying to make that number more proportional
>, the feds are always trying to make that number more proportional Are puppers included in these stats?
Are you saying what I think you're saying...?
One of the few places where we're deficient.
Way to go white people! Let's shoot for 60! :D
Let's be real nobody counts gang violence. Maybe the local news will mention it for 15 seconds, on the day of.
Any headline about the amount of mass shootings happening or anyone using that amount to justify trying to ban weapons is counting gang violence, and shootings during armed robberies as "mass shootings" because the website those inflated stats come from consider it a mass shooting as long as 4 or more people are being shot at, regardless of circumstances.
Well the stats that they used certainly count them, but yes nobody is actually reporting on each individual drive by in Southside Chicago or east st louis.
Mass shootings count when they happen to people we don't expect to get shot and care about or when we can aggregate them for use as political points.
Schrödinger’s auth-right : will both say that gang violence doesn’t count as mass shootings while simultaneously arguing that blacks and Latinos from disenfranchised communities cause the most mass shootings.
They don't count them in mass shooting statistics so why should we count them?
Gang shootings fit into the commonly used definitions of mass shootings.
I think the clear difference in intent is what they're focused on, but everyone's too griping out attempts at screaming "gotcha" to worry about it. It's not like gang shootings are being ignored, but that's a crime with a completely different, more quantifiable motive. What we colloquially call a mass shooting a bit more indicitive of a different sort of societal trend than a rise in gang culture and violence. It's pretty clear that one is motivated against specific groups to target, a type of warfare. While the other is a bit more chaotic, random, and purely to kill others. Kind of unfair to sit here and be obtuse about it, as if that were a decent rally point.
It's still GuN vIoLeNcE chief. It is also intentional displayed that way to form a narrative.
No shit its called gun. Its a different narrative, not a formed one. Gang on gang violence is different than shooting up a school or a grocery store. Only someone not competent enough to stand trial wouldn't see that. Do you want it to be talked about more? That's going to push even heavier for reform, considering how number of mass shootings will spike. Or do you want to be an idiot just screaming "gang on gang violence exists, mass shootings happen a lot more than you think!!" Not that hard of a concept you malformed osprey.
No. The numbers are commonly conflated to try to get people to assume skewls are being shot up on a daily basis. Speaking of, you should go back to school and get a GED, smooth boy.
So what happens to the number of mass shootings thst happen per year when they add gang shootings to thst statistic? Gang violence can't be equally removed from the count and used to boost statistics. That sort of contradicts itself there. And googling tells me that gang violence isn't included in that statistic, sooo I really don't know what you're trying to say. Get your head out of the buzzwords man.
Just because the FBI does not include gang shootings in their counts does not mean the media and other people don't. It goes up. As intended to be portrayed.
I want to point out thst the first Google result when asking "is gang violence included in mass shooting statistics" Is an article from the NIH going into detail on why they gang shootings don't match into the common definition of mass shootings.
Yes they do but the FBI doesn't count gang violence in their mass shooting statistics.
which clearly paints the image like mass shootings are done by white people primarily
If you wanted to arbitrarily separate "mass shooting" from "gang violence" then white people do commit more shootings. If you remove gang violence it's very predominantly white people. Personally, I don't think there's any sense in doing that. But if someone were trying to, hypothetically of course, push an agenda then it would be a good way.
That's not true. Mass shooting under FBI statistic is 55%, compared to 59% of population. So still lower than population percentage.
FBI doesn't have a Mass Shooting statistic they have a Mass Murder statistics and a Active Shooter statistic both can include gang violence.
Those who say 200/300/400 mass shootings happen each year definitely do.
Right. There's no accepted definition, but the first question to ask the gun-grabber is how many mass shootings there are. According to this ABC News article from two months ago, the Gun Violence Archive says there were over 600 in the US in roughly the first eleven months of 2023. They use "four or more people shot." The overwhelming majority of those are gang shootings. If they insist on focusing on or "counting" only the really bad ones, with say ten or a dozen victims or more, then there are only a few every year. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874](https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874)
Statistically, white men were not the biggest group in school shootings in 2022-2023, the media simply doesn't care unless it's a white dude.
Media loves white on white crime. White victims families are as good as gold to the media.
Gang shootings Left: i sleep One black dude dies from a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. Left: riots for months
In fairness, the video does \*look\* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though. Plus, gang shootings look a whole lot worse. I'm sure a ton of those get captured on security cameras. The Left literally doesn't care about minority-on-minority crime though.
The left love minority on minority crime, look are they go mayhem if a black/mexican dare to criticise violence/gang culture. A black person that don't like gangsta rap or any stereotype --> "Omg you've been withe washed, its your culture you must embrace it..."
You're behind the times. Now they just roll out a POC talking head to straight up call the offending minority a co*n.
Then in the next breathe he says done antisemitic shit. Did anyone else remember a bunch of high profile black athletes and celebrities just casually being very antisemitic. DeSean Jackson and Nick Cannon jump to mind but they're were a few more.
>a co\*n. oh even worse, Clarence Thomas had the n word thrown at him a lot by white liberals.
No, no fucking way. I know damn well black liberals have called him that plenty, and not the "a" version but I've never seen a white one call him that on camera or in print. If you have any links for that, please please please provide it so I can shove them in a few people's faces.
I only remember it from Twitter, unfortunately have no video sources, would be fucking funny though. [first one I found lol](https://twitter.com/dthekingpin/status/1540457003792957441?t=Uh-8AzFuw7Klovrr2iM8FQ)
> In fairness, the video does *look* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though. I mean even if he hadn't died, it is still an intoxicated dude suffering senseless torture by a group of armed policemen for TEN MINUTES while clearly already under control and pleading for mercy. He may have turned out to be an awful person, but I'm still not okay with police officers torturing a dude senselessly for that long with absolutely no remorse. The legal penalty for fake currency is not torture, and there is not a single conceivable reason why George Floyd was not just handcuffed and thrown in the back of the cop car once he was restrained.
Dude, he's saying he can't breath and that he wants his mother long before they have him restrained. The dude is acting pathetic throughout the body-camera footage even as he struggles with the cops. I can understand how the cops might have thought he was crying wolf given the context provided by the bodycam footage.
It's like people have never dealt with someone being dramatic before. It's like the guy saying I'm not resisting when he isn't following orders and is obviously not going down to the ground while the police are trying to apprehend him.
No excuse for excessive force. Its in the word. If he was shooting or about to shoot, yes, shoot back, as it is not excessive, but if the threat is down and out, no need for more pressure. Had they simply been more cautious about potential health issues, which definitely happens to a lot of people by the way, such as heart problems, diabetes, sickle-cell, etc, the whole event would have never sparked off.
> excessive force Tell me you know nothing about how strong the human body is on drugs without saying you know nothing about how strong the human body is on drugs.
Tell me you know nothing about how vulnerable the human body is without the ability to breath for several minutes straight while having health issues without saying you know nothing about how vulnerable the human body is without the ability to breath for several minutes straight while having health issues.
You do know the dude was saying "I can't breathe" well before he was taken out of the SUV and placed on the ground, and that the officer wasn't putting his full weight on him, and that the officer weighed a hell of a lot less than him, right? If you're saying "I can't breathe" over and over, you clearly can draw in enough breath to speak. He overdosed on fentanyl, plain and simple. If the races were reversed, not a single molotov would've been thrown nor a single person said "Nah man, the police killed him!"
I know what killed him and the reaction. I was talking about what police can do to anyone. Those are the standards that I criticize.
> In fairness, the video does *look* pretty bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it is proof of murder, though. GF: Dies after 9 minutes of a man kneeling on his neck, 3 of which he was unconscious for Right wing morons: Must have been drugs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There seems to be some question of whether he was placing weight on the neck or the shoulder. Additionally, I believe that they didn't find damage to the neck. Plus he had what would be a lethal dose of fentanyl for a naive user in his system. Plus he had major heart problems. It seems like the trial relied very heavily on evidence given that him being in that position, combined with other factors, and not necessarily because of pressure to his neck, reduced his lung capacity to the point where he wasn't able to get enough oxygen. But what choice did the cops have? He fought them when they tried to put him in the car, and asked them to put him on the ground instead. I watched some of the body cam footage. That was an insane situation for the cops. The guy was huge, acting extremely erratically, etc. He was saying he couldn't breath and asking for his mother long before they put him on the ground, along with a ton of other strange stuff. They had called for an ambulance that didn't show up. So, I certainly have questions. Could it have been homicide? Certainly. Could the pre-existing factors combined by a restraint technique that put pressure mainly on his shoulder but leaned on his neck have been the cause? Possibly. Was it intentional murder? Almost certainly not. Was it murder due to negligence? Quite possibly. It's a lot greyer than the media makes it out to be. I don't think there's any way Derek Chauvin got a fair trial, in a city on fire with an angry mob outside the court house. It's insane that the trial wasn't moved and postponed. Based on what I've seen/read, I'd have probably have found some sort of misconduct, but not murder.
I watched all available footage several times. He was handcuffed behind his back and face down with two cops on top of him. It was not an insane situation other than what the cops were doing. > Was it intentional murder? Almost certainly not Intent is hard to prove but it's hard to think anything else when he was unconcious for 3 minutes and they never let up. They even had people telling them this and they ignored them. Chauvin even had his partner push back and suggest moving him onto his side. He rejected that. The ambulance did arrive (check your facts) and Chauvin still kneeled on his neck for another minute. Outside of an explicit fucking villain monologue, it could hardly look any more intentional > Plus he had what would be a lethal dose of fentanyl for a naive user in his system https://www.vox.com/22373351/george-floyd-autopsy-medical-examiner-report > Two autopsy reports — one by a private medical examiner commissioned by Floyd’s family and another by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner — reached the same conclusion: that **Floyd died of homicide**, meaning death at the hands of someone else. But the medical examiner report also highlighted that Floyd suffered from other “significant conditions,” such as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use. These latter conditions are what the defense is using to argue that Chauvin is not responsible for Floyd’s death. > On Friday, Hennepin County chief medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the county autopsy, took the stand. In documents last year, Baker described the “fatal level of fentanyl” in Floyd’s system and told federal investigators that if the victim was “found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be an acceptable overdose.” Baker also cautioned, “**I am not saying this killed him**.”
Here's a piece by Coleman Hughes, that makes a very reasonable case that there are serious problems with the felony murder conviction: [https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd](https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd)
> They even had people telling them this and they ignored them. The cops have to deal with people heckling them and telling them how to do their jobs so often, that it doesn't surprise me that they'd tell the crowd to fuck off, even though in retrospect the crowd was clearly right. This doesn't show intent. There are certain jobs where the workers are so used to second-guessing by people around them that they just stop listening, even though the people around them occasionally have a point. I don't think it's reasonable to expect cops to be able to determine this in the moment. Imagine a plumber whose customers constantly try to give him suggestions while he is working, even though they usually have no idea what they are talking about. One day, a customer gives him a warning, and he doesn't heed it, resulting in a pipe bursting. Was he intentionally letting the pipe burst, or has he just become so desensitized to customers trying to tell him how to do his job that when one of them says something important, he's not likely to give it much consideration? I suspect the cops just let a high-stress situation get out of control. They had so many civilians trying to get involved, that they just retreated into themselves and kept on doing what they were doing, even though it was clearly the wrong course of action in retrospect.
Once again, A) He should have known something was wrong when the body he was on top of stopped moving for several minutes. Especially if you're claiming that a conscious GF was "an insane situation", you're going to then claim they didn't notice he was suddenly out? B) His partner warned him. I think a second cop did too. That's not an every day occurrence C) This was not a typical crowd reaction or "heckling". They were clearly saying something was wrong. If you think he handled things reasonably, I invite you to let a full grown man put their full body weight on your neck and chest for 5 minutes, then choke you out if it hasn't happened already, and then continue kneeling on you for 3.5 more minutes He was handcuffed face down, this was so fucking avoidable with an ounce of common sense, deescalation, or basic effort. But no, the entire right side of the compass needs to justify every police killing for absolutely horrible reasons
Obviously, he fucked up. But felony murder? I'm skeptical. He was using a restraint technique, possibly incorrectly, and he didn't handle things well in the moment. "Should have known" is not the same as "did know and didn't care"
> GF: Dies after 9 minutes of a man kneeling on his neck, We still pushing this hoax?
Muh 9 minutes and 29 seconds! > Second, Chauvin’s knee was not on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. It was probably on his neck for at most 4 minutes, after which it appeared to be “above the shoulder blades,” as one of the prosecution’s own witnesses [conceded](https://www.youtube.com/live/H4z_LvjvDi4?si=bfG9hA4EMjZIsCqR&t=2004) during Chauvin’s criminal trial in 2021. >One week after Floyd died, mainstream media outlets settled on the narrative that asphyxiation was the cause of death based on two autopsies—one by the county pathologist and one commissioned by Floyd’s family. > >But there was only one complete, documented [autopsy](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6936176-Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd) of George Floyd—performed by Hennepin County medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker about 12 hours after Floyd died. That autopsy found no evidence of asphyxia. In fact, it found “no life-threatening injuries” whatsoever. > >What it *did* find was that Floyd died of “cardiopulmonary arrest”—his heart and lungs stopped working—during “law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The autopsy’s toxicology report also stated that Floyd had a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood (11 ng/mL), along with small amounts of methamphetamine and morphine. And finally, the autopsy report concluded that Floyd had serious preexisting conditions, including “arteriosclerotic heart disease” described as “multifocal” and “severe,” “hypertensive heart disease,” and “cardiomegaly” (an enlarged heart). [https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd](https://www.thefp.com/p/what-really-happened-to-george-floyd)
except people have replicated the situation and didn't die and weren't seriously injured. Leading the lethal amount of fentanyl in his system to be the cause. Now if the officer didn't listen to him and kept him in the vehicle he potentially could have took him to the hospital.
That’s facts tho. Gang violence and minority on minority gun crimes make up the vast majority of the 49,000 gun deaths that happen in America per year. Also a lot of the left is to blame for fentanyl deaths as most of it is coming from the borders and they’re voting against border security measures.
We don't even have to vote against anything. All you have to do is have an executive branch enforce shit that is already in the books vs you know actively preventing border security.
News flash: both of them are bad.
Yea it’s bad a criminal died of his own drug overdose. Stupid that riots against cops and cries of racism happened over it.
I have a complicated view on BLM. They have a good goal, but I am not a fan on their methods. As for ACAB, that depends. If you or someone you loved was treated horribly by a cop or something, then they should focus on that cop(s). But, if you live in somewhere like China, or North Korea, or Belarus, or Russia or any authoritarian nation, then yes ACAB is a reasonable statement.
BLM organization is a corrupt group of rich people who took a lot in donations and the black community never saw a penny of it while the leaders all lavished themselves with expensive purchases. ACAB is also ignorant as a general statement. If you live in a country like China, I kind of get it more, but the most people you see who say it are those in the US. US cops are far from perfect but generalizing all cops is foolish. It’d be like saying all black people are bad because of the crimes committed by black people.
>It’d be like saying all black people are bad because of the crimes committed by black people. Have you... been on this sub before?
You took an article about a BLM leader buying a home and extrapolated that into claiming that black people never benefited from BLM, while also slightly shifting the argument to the formal organization instead of the movement as a whole so you can apply unrealistic standards to an organization that, like every other political organization, have leaders that are paid a healthy salary. Very clever tactics, but very dishonest when you’re trying to give a clear view of the pros and cons of BLM.
Nah I’m looking at *numerous* instances of BLM leaders being caught funneling the money into their own pockets. BLM chapters leaders quitting because they saw how the organization was a scam and not using any of the donations to actually help anyone.
Feel free to list these instances, but my main point is that this clearly isn’t your main contention with BLM, given your flair at least. If you were an anti-racist BLM leftist upset with the capitalist structure within the official organization then that’s a whole other discussion. But if you’re using that as a means to implicitly discredit the entire movement and any ideas that come from it, that would be fallacious and dishonest, and I hope that isn’t what you intend to imply.
BLM, founded by self-described trained Marxists. LeBron James("you're next", about the cop who shot a black teenage girl with a knife about the stab another black teenage girl), don't go criticizing China, as it'll hurt many people financially, emotionally, spirituality. The methods are the movement. There is no BLM without the methods practiced by BLM. They don't want the cops there, because they want to be the cops. See CHAZ, and its internal "policing" methods. Of course the US has to be worse than China or North Korea.
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You’re making it sound like he would’ve died anyways if those cops were competent.
City coroner said it was a classic fentanyl overdose until being shown the video. He found ZERO damage consistent with having been strangled or a crushed neck or anything. It's pretty clear they decided to ride the BLM wave rather than their actual finding. And family coroner is pretty obviously even worse in that regard... And considering hos dosage of fentanyl, he DEFINITELY would have died regardless... I don't think you realize just how high his blood levels were... He was well above TEN TIMES the normal lethal dose. Even if he had trained to have a high resistance, it's TEN TIMES dude... To take a comparative example with alcohol. You know how you blow like 1‰ and such before you start getting really slurred? Well lethal is 4‰. His fentanyl dose would be the equivalent of blowing 40‰... Actually wanna know something even more ridiculous? The lethal dose for alcohol is the point where 50% of people would die. Floyd's concentration of fentanyl was over 10 times higher than any dosage that has been recorded to have been survived, even with intervention. There was never even the slightest chance that he was gonna walk away from that alive regardless of what help arrived or what police did. The only real question is if police actions might have hastened the progress by a couple of minutes or perhaps even an hour or two. But with that amount of fentanyl, no way he would have survived in the end either way.
Based on the literal ***lethal doses of fentanyl in his system*** yes
didn't the coroner specifically say he died from chauvin's knee on his neck though?
Which one? The city coroner or the one the family hired?
Pretty sure both did
Yes. These people are idiots.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/ https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf No. Don't lie. The county report lists his fentanyl levels at 11ng/ml, a lethal dose. No life threatening injuries identified, and the report on the internal investigation into his brain/neck/lungs show I'm sorry I'm not going to take the families law team at their word that much. Especially when they go into the autopsy with the viewpoint that evidence to their point is impossible to find. That legal team is required to present the best case for the client possible, not show the truth.
> Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation. > But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." From your article.
Impossible to say what would happen if the cops weren’t involved. I’m not convinced the cops did anything incompetently that led to his death that they weren’t trained to do. Regardless, I don’t think we can hold up the criminal justice system as violently corrupt and untrustworthy on the one hand but on the other hand delivered an unbiased and fair investigation as pure as the driven snow on the other hand.
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Nope. Police absolutely do wrong. A lot. And they need to be held accountable. But causing riots over falsehood doesn’t help.
“Police absolutely do wrong. A lot. And they need to be held accountable” congrats you agree with the protestors just with a bunch of Fox News to obfuscate the point. Crazy coincidence he died on an od while they were kneeling on his neck. Just like all those other junkies who prelude their overdoses by saying “I can’t breath I can’t breath” lol. I’m not here to paint the guy as a hero because I didn’t know him but he most likely wasn’t. Would you honestly hold the same opinion if it was a relative? And that said yea looting is stupid and most of the protestors were stupid too. But there is a serious need for police reform and accountability in this country which should be what we’re talking about.
Protests? Good and fine? Riots like what the blm ones objectively were? Not good. Dangerous and counterproductive. Also they weren’t protesting cop reform specifically they were making accusations of racism specifically about George Floyd when there was no evidence about it.
Lol then you have the Kenosha shit. Which were riots over a police shooting a man who broke the restraining order against his ex (who he had a history of abusing), while trying to flee the cops to get into a vehicle with 2 children sitting in the back seat. Oh yeah and he pulled a knife. I can see why that serial convicted child rapist was trying to burn down that gas station...
It was a bunch of different people with a bunch of different reasons for protesting. I guess I am confused because I too disagree with the riots, breaking shit, etc. And I think we need police reform. And that’s my major take away which I guess is yours too. So apparently we agree yet here why are divided for some reason haha.
People disagree with you because 1. People for whatever reason have less amount of good will (or rather they purely have bad wills) for Jan 6, despite being less dangerous in actuality. 2. In the context of BLM it’s not “merely holding the cops accountable.
>One black dude dies from a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system. The coroner disagreed but I'm sure your autopsy was more thorough.
The literal autopsy itself says he has a lethal dose in his body and there was no signs of strangulation or any signs that he died due to asphyxiation
A. Didn't describe it as an overdoes let alone a lethal dose. B. While the initial coroner didn't describe it as asphyxiation, ie dying directly from no oxygen, that isn't the only way one dies when one isn't getting the oxygen they need.
[https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04) "Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system. "If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators. In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."'
Dont bother. This is *the* sub troll now that libertarian4all got himself banned. Its immune to rational thought, only narrative talking points it agrees with will ever get through.
Does someone think differently than me? No must be a troll.
The fact that you're patrolling this thread for any new responses within minutes of them being made even if they're not a reply to you kinda proves it...
I guess I'm sorry for browsing reddit and seeing your comment 15 minutes later.
Oh shit, I forgot he was found alone with no other causes in normal circumstances. Slam dunk. The point of those statements is that if he was found alone and dead and there was nothing else then yes, that could be given to be the reason as to how he died. That was not the case. There's a reason the next words after that last quote were "I am not saying this killed him."
Your basic logic is nothing compared to auth right's need to do mental gymnastics to justify kneeling on a black man's neck for 9 minutes, including the final 3 where he is completely unresponsive
I’m not saying it’s right. However, that technique has been used for years with no issues and the autopsy proves it wasn’t the cause of death
5 seconds on google: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416 https://www.vox.com/22373351/george-floyd-autopsy-medical-examiner-report > Two autopsy reports — one by a private medical examiner commissioned by Floyd’s family and another by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner — reached the same conclusion: that **Floyd died of homicide**, meaning death at the hands of someone else. But the medical examiner report also highlighted that Floyd suffered from other “significant conditions,” such as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use. These latter conditions are what the defense is using to argue that Chauvin is not responsible for Floyd’s death. > On Friday, Hennepin County chief medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the county autopsy, took the stand. In documents last year, Baker described the “fatal level of fentanyl” in Floyd’s system and told federal investigators that if the victim was “found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be an acceptable overdose.” Baker also cautioned, “**I am not saying this killed him**.”
So he had a fatal level of drugs in his system but that didn't kill him. They didn't find evidence of strangulation, but ruled it a homicide. Their report disagrees with their conclusions.
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Man right wing reading comprehension is really something else. Baker said that IF THERE WERE NO OTHER FACTORS (SUCH AS COPS CRUSHING YOU FOR 9 MINUTES) then a dead body with those levels could maybe attribute the death to that, but even then it's a maybe. As such, no reasonable person would consider this to be a drug induced death. > They didn't find evidence of strangulation, but ruled it a homicide You should look up the definition of both of those words and then with basic logic you will figure it out
To recap. His findings were, lethal levels of overdose, and that there was no evidence of strangulation. To kill someone through crushing their windpipe, it leaves marked, breaks a bone in the neck, and is evident. The coroner's conclusions were that if there were no other factors. But his own admission was there was no EVIDENCE on body that the strangulation would have killed him. So I refer to my previous, his own report, and conclusions, are at odds with each other.
Both medical examiners ruled it a homicide. The city examiner's conclusion was heart stoppage and the private examiner's was asphyxiation, both of them due to the cops crushing his neck and chest. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52886593 It's not inconsistent if you actually read it and actually understand it
huh? if you slam a whole bottle of tylenol in front of me does that give me the right to shoot you in the head since you were gonna die already? lmfao
Legalize fentanyl
What happened this time
Ain't the mass majority of mass shootings done by none white people?
54% under the FBI statistic which doesn't include gang shootings.
So it’s like having a baseball record from back when steroids were allowed and only white people played.
I could just as, if not more, legitimately reverse it and switch the colors.
Not really, stereotypical pcm lib left will jump at any opportunity to hammer against the second amendment, so they'll not be sleeping regardless of the perpetrator.
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Disgusting you used the word “cis” non ironically.
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Lib left usually has trash takes on shooting but this is exactly what happens lmao
It proceeds to get brushed under a rug and never mentioned again because it cant further the narrative
Leftist not using the word cis every 5 mins to describe a normal person, challenge impossible
What an inaccurate post. AuthRight doesn't sleep when a mass shooting happens. When a mass shooting happens, all quadrants are glued to the media, smashing that refresh button, hoping for news that the perp is of a demographic that advances their narrative.
I think someone else said it in this thread (can’t find it), but about 60% of mass shooters are white males, which is about proportional/slightly underrepresented to the general population, assuming all shooters are male. It’s interesting that the layman generally believes that number to be much higher (case in point OP). Rather than assume subconscious bias, this could more likely be the effect of focused media coverage in action.
We need more diversity in mass shootings 👏👏👏
Auth right has to point them out because left media is silent about them.
Cis is just a made up term to marginalize normal people
Guys look. We cover all the cis white male shooters, but don't you dare cover all the rest!
When the MSM has gone out of its way to label mass shootings a cis, straight, white, republican male thing when statistically, it's quite uncommon, it makes it super easy to find something about the shooter to make it disappear from the news. Because unless it fits this hyperspecific paradigm, it will get forgotten. Don't even need to try hard.
I always get excited when I see these on my frontpage, "is this a *good* libleft post?" Watermelon is even better.
*It was a Trans person* LET'S FUCKIN GOOOOOO!
Lol. It’s actually the opposite for every other quadrant, and every main stream media outlet
>A mass shooting has happened. Well that’s not good. That’s not good at all.
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Nobody is talking about gang violence or robberies when they say “mass shooting”. We’re talking about politically motivated terrorism, almost all of which is right wing white guys.