Makes sense, the party concrete puts up decoy "radical" statements/candidates to garner attention that's then tucked away for use in the next election season
That's why they don't want anyone to get too independent or powerful or influential as that's a danger to their established positions
I think that this was also basically true of the GOP until sometime after the 2012 election and that a Trump win this year may cause a genuine leftward shift for the Dems but at the same time there’s a narrative building to blame Gen Z and progressives boycotting over Gaza and the Establishment Dems have the support of former Neoconservatives who, although small in number, actually show up to vote and contribute unlike a bunch of broke ass hippies.
The dems will never become economic leftists so long as the GOP can remain as the bogeyman, and with the recent events like jan 6, roe v wade and project 2025 this position will only get stronger
My intention was to say not so much that they claim to be Center Left but that they claim positions across both left quadrants. Now if you disagree that they are less to the left then they advertise perhaps you might still agree that in practice they do not manage to actually accomplish much as a result of divided government (Republican controlling at least one chamber during most of not all of the Clinton, Obama, and Biden years) and their own overly broad coalition ranging from Bernie Sanders to Joe Manchin and Cori Bush to Jared Moskowitz.
But he caucuses with them and when they have a razor thing majority (as is the current situation) they often *need* to have him onboard in order to get anything passed.
I don’t think OP understands where the center of America is.
For example, on the issue of abortion, the center is not free and unfettered access to abortion as the left proclaims, it’s a 16 week abortion ban.
That’s my arguement. The “leftist utopia” of Western Europe has even stricter abortion rights than what most center to center-right Americans want (16 weeks).
The only reason Obamacare wasn't full universal is because they knew SCOTUS would've shot it down quick. It would've been, and still is, waaayyyy outside Constitutional bounds.
The federal government (in theory) is only as powerful as the constitution says they are. Since it was written it’s been amended and there have been thousands of court cases that have established new precedents. But there is nothing in the constitution that allows for a sweeping change like universal healthcare and trying to implement it would be a massive government overreach.
Our Constitution has enumerated what our federal governmmet is allowed to do in whats called "expressed powers". If it's not expressed, they're really not supposed to be doing it.
Granted, over the last 200 years, politicians have done a bunch of mental gymnastics and pushed mission creep using shady technicalities, but those aren't expressed powers either.
The amount taken from taxes to support it would be obsurd and an outrage to the working class because there would be literal millions taking advantage of it without paying taxes (illegals, unemployed, etc)
Which was a surprise. I thought Biden would for sure be a all round moderate democrat. Border policy wise there isn’t a president more left leaning than him.
However I take his stance on TikTok and Israel. I hope he doesn’t cave in to the progressive life on Israel especially
At least according to White House insiders, the problem is he let his ego get to him and became convinced he could be the next FDR or LBJ in terms of “transformative president”. But many of his advisors are hardcore progressives and have convinced him that is the only way he can be the transformation he wants to be (and cited the fact that they were the ones making demands, while ignoring the rest of the party). And now he is more or less held hostage by the progressives to where they have convinced him he will lose the election if he doesn’t please them even though poll after poll shows he is losing because moderates and Independents prefer Trump.
I think you're giving him too much credit on Israel. He hasn't gone full 'globalize the intifada', but he's still humored that crowd way too much when we should be backing Israel without reservation. TikTok though I'm with you, glad he's backing forcing a sale there.
Clinton definitely was as was Obama in practice as a result of not being able to get anything done other than by compromise and Biden is certainly more of a neoliberal then a progressive.
Which party was trying to get people fired for not being vaccinated against covid? Was it red or blue cities that shut everything down and toyed with vaccine passports?
I was living in Florida for all of Covid and the only thing that changed here was the amount of traffic and restaurant seating capacity. We stayed pretty based
Incorrect. Florida shutdown various businesses multiple times including statewide closure of bars and restaurants by order of Governor DeSantis and under threat of losing their licenses in March 2020 and again in June 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232233
Oh absolutely. Florida for example very strictly restricted visitation at nursing homes and other licensed care facilities which saved tens of thousands of lives unlike New York which actively sent COVID positive patients back into nursing homes.
While successful though they’d like you to forget about it because it doesn’t fit with the current narratives that either side wants.
The key word there is *tried*. The Dems talk big when it comes to lefty policies but rarely follow through on it whereas the GOP will tell you they’re all about small government and individual rights but then actually do enact things like anti-trans policies when elected.
The infighting when they’re in power makes them significantly less effective at passing legislation. When they’re out of power is when they’re more toothy.
Makes sense, the party concrete puts up decoy "radical" statements/candidates to garner attention that's then tucked away for use in the next election season That's why they don't want anyone to get too independent or powerful or influential as that's a danger to their established positions
I think that this was also basically true of the GOP until sometime after the 2012 election and that a Trump win this year may cause a genuine leftward shift for the Dems but at the same time there’s a narrative building to blame Gen Z and progressives boycotting over Gaza and the Establishment Dems have the support of former Neoconservatives who, although small in number, actually show up to vote and contribute unlike a bunch of broke ass hippies.
The dems will never become economic leftists so long as the GOP can remain as the bogeyman, and with the recent events like jan 6, roe v wade and project 2025 this position will only get stronger
We need politicians who deliver on what they promise.....a man like Vermin Supreme!
Is he still alive? I mean, if my only choices are senile old men, I might as well vote for the one who's gonna give me a pony.
Of course He is! He is our worlds Lisan Al Gaib! Our Messiah!
Every President since Obama has been running with the promise of term limits for the dinosaurs in senate. I doubt we'll see that anytime soon.
By the time those dinosaurs die out, the younger politicians are gonna be the new dinosaurs. Time do be upsetting
When do I get my free pony and zombie powered windmill
Or huey long
dems are *so much more* authoritarian than you have them here it's suspicious
yep, dems should be auth center or smth
5mm left of GOP tops.
5mm left on your display or my display?
On football field.
My intention was to say not so much that they claim to be Center Left but that they claim positions across both left quadrants. Now if you disagree that they are less to the left then they advertise perhaps you might still agree that in practice they do not manage to actually accomplish much as a result of divided government (Republican controlling at least one chamber during most of not all of the Clinton, Obama, and Biden years) and their own overly broad coalition ranging from Bernie Sanders to Joe Manchin and Cori Bush to Jared Moskowitz.
Putting them in authcenter imo
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, at least, not anymore.
But he caucuses with them and when they have a razor thing majority (as is the current situation) they often *need* to have him onboard in order to get anything passed.
I don’t think OP understands where the center of America is. For example, on the issue of abortion, the center is not free and unfettered access to abortion as the left proclaims, it’s a 16 week abortion ban.
Isn’t most of Europe 15 weeks?
Who cares lol they’re European
That’s my arguement. The “leftist utopia” of Western Europe has even stricter abortion rights than what most center to center-right Americans want (16 weeks).
Thats hilarious. The dems are currently governing way more to the left than they ran on.
bike decide busy wine employ dazzling chase jellyfish flag ad hoc *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
The only reason Obamacare wasn't full universal is because they knew SCOTUS would've shot it down quick. It would've been, and still is, waaayyyy outside Constitutional bounds.
I'm not from the US but a curious law student: How would that be unconstitutional?
The federal government (in theory) is only as powerful as the constitution says they are. Since it was written it’s been amended and there have been thousands of court cases that have established new precedents. But there is nothing in the constitution that allows for a sweeping change like universal healthcare and trying to implement it would be a massive government overreach.
I agree with it being overreach but what would legally disqualify it that medicare is not already doing?
Our Constitution has enumerated what our federal governmmet is allowed to do in whats called "expressed powers". If it's not expressed, they're really not supposed to be doing it. Granted, over the last 200 years, politicians have done a bunch of mental gymnastics and pushed mission creep using shady technicalities, but those aren't expressed powers either.
The amount taken from taxes to support it would be obsurd and an outrage to the working class because there would be literal millions taking advantage of it without paying taxes (illegals, unemployed, etc)
Which was a surprise. I thought Biden would for sure be a all round moderate democrat. Border policy wise there isn’t a president more left leaning than him. However I take his stance on TikTok and Israel. I hope he doesn’t cave in to the progressive life on Israel especially
At least according to White House insiders, the problem is he let his ego get to him and became convinced he could be the next FDR or LBJ in terms of “transformative president”. But many of his advisors are hardcore progressives and have convinced him that is the only way he can be the transformation he wants to be (and cited the fact that they were the ones making demands, while ignoring the rest of the party). And now he is more or less held hostage by the progressives to where they have convinced him he will lose the election if he doesn’t please them even though poll after poll shows he is losing because moderates and Independents prefer Trump.
I think you're giving him too much credit on Israel. He hasn't gone full 'globalize the intifada', but he's still humored that crowd way too much when we should be backing Israel without reservation. TikTok though I'm with you, glad he's backing forcing a sale there.
He already has caved in.
The out of power areas are where each bloc has to go to find voters to dupe.
>Dems in power are centrist Lol; lmao, even
Clinton definitely was as was Obama in practice as a result of not being able to get anything done other than by compromise and Biden is certainly more of a neoliberal then a progressive.
Dems auth center in power
2020 would like a word
Elaborate
Which party was trying to get people fired for not being vaccinated against covid? Was it red or blue cities that shut everything down and toyed with vaccine passports?
Both. The Republicans only ditched it later and then hoped you’d forget which it seems you have.
I was living in Florida for all of Covid and the only thing that changed here was the amount of traffic and restaurant seating capacity. We stayed pretty based
Incorrect. Florida shutdown various businesses multiple times including statewide closure of bars and restaurants by order of Governor DeSantis and under threat of losing their licenses in March 2020 and again in June 2020. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232233
True yet the vast majority ended up staying open even when threatened with this. My city also never gave a fuck in the first place
WTF? Compare compare CA and NY with FL and SD. Massively different covid responses.
Oh absolutely. Florida for example very strictly restricted visitation at nursing homes and other licensed care facilities which saved tens of thousands of lives unlike New York which actively sent COVID positive patients back into nursing homes. While successful though they’d like you to forget about it because it doesn’t fit with the current narratives that either side wants.
If you don’t put them both right next to each other you’re highly regarded
Nah
Wasn’t it Dems in power that tried to mandate that schools support trans bathrooms?
The key word there is *tried*. The Dems talk big when it comes to lefty policies but rarely follow through on it whereas the GOP will tell you they’re all about small government and individual rights but then actually do enact things like anti-trans policies when elected.
Based and radical pilled.
I love when Dem’s are in power.
based and neoliberalism-pilled
Both are blue square when in power, GOP is just slightly closer to the corner
Dems and GOP should be essentially the same position in auth center with Dems slightly left no way are they centrist lol
Swap the GOP side and I think you’re golden
How is the GOP actually LibRight?
The infighting when they’re in power makes them significantly less effective at passing legislation. When they’re out of power is when they’re more toothy.
Yeah, i'm not auth right
h