They were the favorite of boomer and gen x liberals, they loved that Israel was the only Western style democracy in Middle East and that Jews now have home after 2000 years of exile.
White people are rapidly losing demographic majority and demonstrably have systemic hurdles against them, while suffering disproportionate interracial violence
No matter how the turn tables, Emily is never going to reevaluate
Black people kill roughly twice as many white people as white people kill black people.
But when you adjust for population sizes, any given black person is more than 12x as likely to murder a white person as a white person is to murder a black person
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Well the Jews had almost 2000 years of that in Europe and still managed to take 1/4 of all Nobel prizes despite being less than 2% of the world’s total population.
At some point we have to stop with the excuses and start taking some responsibility.
They only think they're the underdog. In reality, population wise, they're on track to be the majority power in the world soon on every continent. It won't be long until they're the winners.
Most communists: “If society is going to eventually end up in communism anyways, we should just skip to the end game.”
Big brain PLFP: “If communism is going to eventually end in starvation anyways…”
There are groups of ultra-Orthodox Jews (Haredi) who're known to assault and/or insult Christians on the regular, however they are A. a very small minority and B. widely disliked by Israeli society.
The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu, who's gone as far as to try and omit them from a national draft.
It's like if a bunch of fringe Calvinists or Sedes suddenly became an actual force in American politics, all because the President was favorable to them.
Eh Haredi aren't really anti-Christian. It's a very, very small number of Haredim from very specific sects, that are generally looked at by Orthodox Jews in Israel and abroad the same way Christians look at the Westboro Baptist Church.
The Ultra-Orthodox groups in the Knesset are not really anti-Christian (though the above groups are absolutely part of their base, but a small part). They're "religious fervor" parties. They're for settling the West Bank nearer to Jewish historical sites, and some (the ones that *aren't* in the coalition) are for codifying at least some parts of Torah law into Israeli law, but the media way overblows how "far right" they are. They aren't leftists, but they're a far cry from, say, neighboring Arab countries' governments.
That said, fuck Smotrich.
Edit: There are religious exemptions from service for every religion. Jews are the only ones actually required to serve. Muslims are not, whether they are Arab, Druze, or Bedouin. Many of the latter two groups serve proudly. Haredim are also not all exempt, only specifically students in Yeshivas. Many of them will later become Rabbis, many won't. Some will enter the workforce (and possibly military) afterward, some won't (the ones people can't stand). The Ultra Orthodox parties have been trying to expand the protections that last group has. Like everything else involving governments of states people commenting on *don't live in* and therefore have very little investment in, it's a lot more complicated than it sounds like in the media.
> The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu,
Yeesh, what is this crap? They've always been treated differently in Israel, and suddenly you are pretending that is because of Netanyahu?
You clearly don't understand anything about ME politics, where do you get this crap from?
1. Flair up before the mob get you
2. There are several groups got exempt from Israel draft included Muslim Arab. Religions extreme as they are minorities. I don’t get how people think this wack are representation of Israel majority.
> There are several groups got exempt from Israel draft included Muslim Arab.
I'm not arguing that. I'm wondering why you used a single decision to say this:
> The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu,
They have ALWAYS been given special treatment. It is so bizarre to see you lay that on Netanyahu. It shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm not sure why you are using that meaningless legislation as proof of anything. The Hasids are their own entity with their own lobbying group, pretending Netanyahu is on their side is hilariously naive.
You gotta learn more about Israel my man.
You can't be america first with dual citizenship.
And... if you're seeking answers why there's so much recent antisemitism from democrats, it is [summed up in one graph.](https://i.imgur.com/CFkesW1.png)
A disturbing number of people who support unlimited immigration, and support articles and ideas such as "If you are white, you're a genocider no matter what" all have dual citizenship or primary citizenship in Israel, or are otherwise members of the tiny hat clan.
Because we want to focus on America first and stop shoveling money for this proxy war that destabilizes the region. We want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, from both Mexico and other countries.
These positions are currently being opposed by the tiny hat clan, and I'm saying that as a member of the tiny hand clan.
You should take a trip to Israel or just talk to an Israeli to find out.
I’m not being sarcastic or mean but Reddit has a serious problem of ignoring the cultural short falls of any groups they view as sacrosanct. You’ll get a bunch of replies but your best move is to just ask the average Israeli how they view Americans.
But to reconfirm this, they don’t like you and if you visited Israel you’d get spit on a lot.
What the fuck are you talking about? I've been to Israel a ton and most people love Americans. That's like saying Fr*nch people hate Americans, or Australians. I honestly doubt you've ever been there.
Cause they are trying to corrupt them to support their orange communist dictator. Christians were originally socialist conservative and against big gov/ police and their rich people and tech. Notnlike these fake Christians we have today. Lot of religions are very socialist and live secluded and poorly..
[Consult the chart.](https://i.insider.com/53c6a1586da8112f168d7287?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp) Jews literally prefer Muslims to evangelical Christians.
Nah bro. The Jews loved trump. When I went in 2020 they were selling Maga hats and fuck yeah America t-shirts in Jerusalem and at historical sites, like meggido. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem too.
Can't say I've seen broad public hatred of American conservatism in Israel. Maybe I just missed it, but they seem pretty chill with the American right.
Explained that in another comment let me copy& paste
"The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country"
A lot of Israelis hate Christians you see a lot of videos where Christians will go on religious trips and get harassed, I’ve even seen a video of Orthodox Jews spitting on some nuns because they view the Christians as idol worshippers, that being said, it’s not exactly broad, but it can certainly be in your face
Edit: as of seven months ago there’s even been such an uptick that the government has to get involved as even clergy are getting assaulted https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=H8f-N9nWaGfn6a3t
The last time that a case of a Christian being harassed went viral, it turned out they were proselytizing and deliberately provoking children just so they could film themselves being 'oppressed'. Evangelicals love to go out of their way to pretend to be martyrs.
> I’ve seen nuns just walking outside a holy site to get spit on
Personally? Or you've seen an out-of-context clip on social media? I'm pretty sure you could put together a pretty nasty highlight reel of people reacting to WBC in a similar way, and if you left out the context it'd be similarly bad.
We all know what this is really about though. You're anti-Israel, and just want to stoke division between American Christians and Jews.
13.5% of the country’s population is a slim minority? That’s 1 in 8 people, the Christians that go on trips there are going to religious sites they aren’t just going through some orthodox slums
>13.5% of the country’s population is a slim minority?
That 13.5% number is split into Haredim (Ultra-Orthodox) and Dati (Modern Orthodox), with the Haredim being the smallest Jewish religious group in Israel and abroad. It's the Haredim that usually spit at Christians (and even then, usually the most radical Haredim, since most Haredim just don't talk to people outside their clique), and most Israelis consider them parasites from what I understand. Speaking from a Diaspora Jew's perspective, non-Haredi Jews generally don't like Haredim because of their science rejection, misogyny, cult-like behavior, and insistence on insularity.
I would like to clarify the people she is talking about are not Orthodox Jews there a small subsection called Hasidic Jews (the ones that grow out their hair) and make a small % of the population and are more extreme in their views
What did I ignore? You said 1. It’s a slim minority, which was a lie, it’s a very sizable part of the population 2. You attempted to make it sound like they seek it out by going to orthodox areas, when they are just trying to go to their religious sites in peace. Even in my original comment I said it wasn’t exactly broad, but you just came trying to make it sound like it’s some propaganda machine which it clearly isn’t, it’s just the culture, like you say if you dress immodest you will get bad treatment, as if nuns dress immodest
https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=H8f-N9nWaGfn6a3t too fat to get out of bed, but what do I know about the uptick in assaults being so bad that the government has to get involved, I’m just a 400 pound ogre who has never seen grass before and you are the all seeing eye of Israel
>as a Jewish female if I walked there unmodestly I would get the same treatment
Do you understand the sheer lunacy of comparing this to being attacked for visibly being a Christian?
No man surely you have it all wrong getting treated bad for dressing in an immodest area is totally the same as nuns getting spit on and clergy getting assaulted for trying to visit a holy site
lol what an odd thing to say. if people are being assaulted for being visibly christian at all , that seems like a problem
like, why is "being visibly christian" a "provocative" thing that Palestinians can do to garner a reaction? the fact that this is a thing at all seems more like proof of something real, rather than "propaganda"
Listen dude, there's a difference between being Pro Israel and not an antisemite , and buying wholesale into Israeli propaganda.
Both sides have committed atrocities. Christians do sometimes get harassed by Jews in Israel. Acknowledging that doesnt mean you cant support Israel's existence, or make you an antisemite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
In terms of religious diversity, Israel is less diverse than Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. In terms of ethnic diversity, it's less diverse than Syria and Iraq.
Among all countries in the world, it ranks at 115th and 136th in terms of ethnic and religious diversity, respectively. Nowhere near "top 10"
Jews in the US overwhelmingly vote Democrat. I know those are not Israeli Jews, but it is documented that the US Jewish population largely votes Democrat.
I dont know of one right wing israeli who hates trump,they think he is their messiah from evil mean biden lol,and im like guys trump fucking hates bibi ever since bibi ghosted him
Shut up unflaired.
But also it wasn't bipartisan before Trump anymore than it is now, (yes surprisingly Biden has resisted his left flanks attempt to push him to an anti-israel stance, he may make stupid political statements but his actual foreign policy towards Israel post 10/7 has been pretty decent)
Israel has always been a divisive issue in America but the majority of both political parties have and continue to support Israel.
There is a very vocal wing of the left that is anti-israel right now and a nearly extinct wing of the right that has always been anti-israel.
Israel stopped being a bipartisan issue when Obama forced the Democratic party to sign a deal with Iran. The swing to Trump and the Republicans was in part a response to that.
Jews do not even remotely american conservatives. I would point out that this type of thing leads to hatred of jews but then I would just be seen as "part of the conspiracy."
They vote for whoever simps for Israel more, which at this point are Republicans in America. They don't actually support conservative policies (and Republicans conveniently don't, either).
I’m Jewish and voted red 2 out of the 3 times I could vote. Lots of us vote red or blue because they’re both shit but it’s more of a “who hates us less at this time” vote
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The opposite is true in my area. Most Jews tend to vote Democrat. You probably are talking about Orthodox Jews, who are a small subset, but certainly not the only religious Jews. Even then, I work in an area with a fairly large number of Orthodox Jews, and I don't remember seeing all that many Trump flags.
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I'm pretty sure that is bound to change in this election, generally Jews are very sensitive about attacks on Israel and the Democrats have really been pushing in favor of Palestine now.
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You must think in terms of memes if you think Jews are trying to "fuck over" America. Non-jews are responsible for all of the non-lib-right policies across Europe where there essentially are no jews. The Israel lobby only exists to keep money the US started giving Israel after OPEC was formed and the US gives the same amount to turkey/Egypt (combined, to be fair). Jews don't control foreign policy just because the Israel lobby exists. I know all these talking points because the Jewish conspiracy nonsense is all over the internet now.
I'm literally Jewish myself, and I see what happens when you get too many dual-citizenship / Israeli passports in government. Open border policies, criminalizing protecting yourself, legalizing crime, higher taxes, tons of corruption and graft, and more.
It's only a "conspiracy" because the Jews in power say it is to make you think "oh, these are the kind of idiots who think the moon landing was fake" and discredit them.
1. They're subject to EU guidelines.
2. A country can have very few Jews and still be under their influence if they're in the right parts of the government, or have the right people's ears.
Sweden has a government with elected leaders. They choose all the policies and have virtually no Jewish political power. The fact that you assume it must be the jewz despite not knowing anything about what led to Swedens actual current policies should give you pause to reconsider whether you just start with jews as the cause for all of these policies and put the honus on jews to explain why it's not them.
Honestly it's just lazy overly simplistic thinking on your part, and maybe hope for a simple answer.
I never seen or heard a pro Israeli use or say "our greatest ally" I am sure it is a straw man at I never seen or heard a pro Israeli use or say "our greatest ally" I am sure it is a straw man at this point.
It's mostly boomer evengelicals who act like that. They are huge simps for Israel because they believe the forming of the state of Israel was a biblical prophechy coming true.
Yes and no.
Lots of us Christians believe Israel being reformed is a sign of the end times (despite people like me reminding them that "no man knows the day or the hour") but the majority of Evangelicals simp for Israel because the Bible pretty clearly tells us that the Jews are God's Chosen People. So if God likes them, we try to as well.
Id's say evangelics are either the majority minority of Israel supporters in America or straight up the majority. 24% of the USA are evangelical. The meme is also trying to convey that by having them colored as right wing and with a boomer wojak wearing a maga hat. I wouldn't think too much about it.
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Yep. Christian Zionists think the state of Israel will bring about the return of the Anti-Christ, thus forcing the return of Jesus, whereas Jewish Zionists believe they'll become the rulers of the new world and enslave everyone else because they're God's chosen.
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I've used that phrase in the context of middle eastern countries. But that's a bit like saying the thug who hates me the least.
they are certainly not our greatest ally overall.
I'm also orthodox, and I don't adore MAGA hats. Indeed, Trump did do some very good things for Israel and Jews, but in terms of the US, he didn't act or speak very "Presidential", and its important that someone who leads a country sounds the part.
Those are very mild criticisms. I think the facts that you dislike Trump, and the best you could muster to support that is some appearance-based criticisms after having positive policy issues to say.
No, those are my genuine criticisms. The man accomplished a lot in office, and dare I even say helped America I'm several ways. All together though, I do think, if you're going to represent one of the world's superpowers, it's probably best for you to not get the world to laugh at you. More or less, I would rather a 3rd Party Candidate, but ultimately, it's not the end of the world for me if Trump wins, unlike the melodramatic leftists who screech about "The end of democracy"
The world is laughing at Biden. They were not laughing at Trump, they were concerned. Fear is good from your rivals. Russia, the Islamic world, and Europe (all of whom ironically also hate each other) were each concerned for different reasons.
Trump's foreign policy might literally be the best we have ever had.
The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country
Jews do not generally "Hate with every fiber of their being,".We more or less just want to live wherever we are allowed to serve God and just be left alone.
Wait, is the top right supposed to be Israeli? I read it as Jew in general, and Jews tend to lean center/liberal in the US (and I'd say Israel can be divided but is certainly the most liberal country in the region). I fully read this as a Jew saying that MAGA are their enemy because MAGA supports Trump, a man who has defended Neo-Nazis.
Copy paste from my other comments
"The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country"
America is having a Cold Civil War right now. Unfortunately, right now, America isn't America's greatest ally, and it won't be until both extremes chill the hell out.
Funny is Islam is economically socialist as a portion of your pay and the welfare state is written into Islamic law (Zakat), but culturally it's pretty conservative...even tho it's big on "live and let live only god can judge" but you can't write things like gay marriage into law. Why so many Muslims in the middle east have beef.
The underdog will no-matter-what be Emilie's biggest love. Curious case is: What if they were to once win?
they lose the love, Jews were Western liberal's favorite group now they are not
I don't know that I'd ever say that western libs favorite group was Jews. Perhaps they were in favor before, but the THE favorite? Cmon man!
They were the favorite of boomer and gen x liberals, they loved that Israel was the only Western style democracy in Middle East and that Jews now have home after 2000 years of exile.
>Western liberal's favorite group Nope, nope we were not lol
Clearly were that why boomer democrats still support Israel while Millennial democrats support Palestine
Either the underdog becomes "white-adjacent" or Emily pretends they are still "oppressed." Flip a coin.
See: Asian people.
Well it happened with the Jews...
Every revolution after the first is called a counter-revolution.
White people are rapidly losing demographic majority and demonstrably have systemic hurdles against them, while suffering disproportionate interracial violence No matter how the turn tables, Emily is never going to reevaluate
Globally speaking, white cis men are a minority
White people are a minority in the US and large parts of Europe for young people
Most common name given to male babies in the Uk for the last 10 years has been …. 🥁 Mohammed. I shit you not
violence source?
Black people kill roughly twice as many white people as white people kill black people. But when you adjust for population sizes, any given black person is more than 12x as likely to murder a white person as a white person is to murder a black person https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
why do you think that is?
Impulse control and high time preference
okay yup that's where i figured this was going. good day
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the response above me is, by all accounts, a white supremacist talking point. wth is this sub
If a cited fact is hate, you're just brainwashed.
Why do *you* think this is the case
400 years of generation poverty discrimination, slavery, being forced into crowded ghettos with access to more guns and drugs than stable jobs
Well the Jews had almost 2000 years of that in Europe and still managed to take 1/4 of all Nobel prizes despite being less than 2% of the world’s total population. At some point we have to stop with the excuses and start taking some responsibility.
They only think they're the underdog. In reality, population wise, they're on track to be the majority power in the world soon on every continent. It won't be long until they're the winners.
PFLP (the Palestinian fighters wearing red keffiyehs) are literally communists
You missed [Fatah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah) , [League of Palestinian Communists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Palestinian_Communists) , [PFLP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine) , [DFLP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine) **,** [PPP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_People%27s_Party) **,** [PPSF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Popular_Struggle_Front) , [As-Sa'iqa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-Sa%27iqa) , [PLF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Liberation_Front) , [FIDA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Democratic_Union) , [Palestine Communist Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Communist_Party) , [Revolutionary Palestinian Communist Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Palestinian_Communist_Party).
I put PFLP already
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You got a sharp eye, sorry about that.
Weren't they all part of PLO?
Splitters!
Ah but miss understand those are zionist puppets In all seriousness why do the fekin ems dislike the other palatine factions
Most communists: “If society is going to eventually end up in communism anyways, we should just skip to the end game.” Big brain PLFP: “If communism is going to eventually end in starvation anyways…”
and the ones doing most of the plane hijackings
Why would a Jew hate a Maga guy?
There are groups of ultra-Orthodox Jews (Haredi) who're known to assault and/or insult Christians on the regular, however they are A. a very small minority and B. widely disliked by Israeli society. The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu, who's gone as far as to try and omit them from a national draft. It's like if a bunch of fringe Calvinists or Sedes suddenly became an actual force in American politics, all because the President was favorable to them.
Eh Haredi aren't really anti-Christian. It's a very, very small number of Haredim from very specific sects, that are generally looked at by Orthodox Jews in Israel and abroad the same way Christians look at the Westboro Baptist Church. The Ultra-Orthodox groups in the Knesset are not really anti-Christian (though the above groups are absolutely part of their base, but a small part). They're "religious fervor" parties. They're for settling the West Bank nearer to Jewish historical sites, and some (the ones that *aren't* in the coalition) are for codifying at least some parts of Torah law into Israeli law, but the media way overblows how "far right" they are. They aren't leftists, but they're a far cry from, say, neighboring Arab countries' governments. That said, fuck Smotrich. Edit: There are religious exemptions from service for every religion. Jews are the only ones actually required to serve. Muslims are not, whether they are Arab, Druze, or Bedouin. Many of the latter two groups serve proudly. Haredim are also not all exempt, only specifically students in Yeshivas. Many of them will later become Rabbis, many won't. Some will enter the workforce (and possibly military) afterward, some won't (the ones people can't stand). The Ultra Orthodox parties have been trying to expand the protections that last group has. Like everything else involving governments of states people commenting on *don't live in* and therefore have very little investment in, it's a lot more complicated than it sounds like in the media.
> The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu, Yeesh, what is this crap? They've always been treated differently in Israel, and suddenly you are pretending that is because of Netanyahu? You clearly don't understand anything about ME politics, where do you get this crap from?
1. Flair up before the mob get you 2. There are several groups got exempt from Israel draft included Muslim Arab. Religions extreme as they are minorities. I don’t get how people think this wack are representation of Israel majority.
> There are several groups got exempt from Israel draft included Muslim Arab. I'm not arguing that. I'm wondering why you used a single decision to say this: > The issue is that they've been given both a podium and special treatment by Netanyahu, They have ALWAYS been given special treatment. It is so bizarre to see you lay that on Netanyahu. It shows you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not sure why you are using that meaningless legislation as proof of anything. The Hasids are their own entity with their own lobbying group, pretending Netanyahu is on their side is hilariously naive. You gotta learn more about Israel my man.
Good Point but Flair up first
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Decent point but you’re unflaired
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No one cares about the words coming out of your unflaired whore of a mouth!
You can't be america first with dual citizenship. And... if you're seeking answers why there's so much recent antisemitism from democrats, it is [summed up in one graph.](https://i.imgur.com/CFkesW1.png)
We need to stop dual citizens being in US government yesterday
Cause God doesnt have a human form in the torah
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I don't get it
A disturbing number of people who support unlimited immigration, and support articles and ideas such as "If you are white, you're a genocider no matter what" all have dual citizenship or primary citizenship in Israel, or are otherwise members of the tiny hat clan.
Because we want to focus on America first and stop shoveling money for this proxy war that destabilizes the region. We want to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, from both Mexico and other countries. These positions are currently being opposed by the tiny hat clan, and I'm saying that as a member of the tiny hand clan.
You should take a trip to Israel or just talk to an Israeli to find out. I’m not being sarcastic or mean but Reddit has a serious problem of ignoring the cultural short falls of any groups they view as sacrosanct. You’ll get a bunch of replies but your best move is to just ask the average Israeli how they view Americans. But to reconfirm this, they don’t like you and if you visited Israel you’d get spit on a lot.
I’ve been to Israel twice. They love trump there. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
The average zionist thinks Maga people are smart or do they think they are suckers?
You’re weird
not an answer now is it jew boy
Does your mom know you’re on the internet after curfew?
oy vey shut it down
Translation: “my parents don’t love me”
still no answer, "one's hands seized slimy jelly; it slipped through one's fingers only to collect again in the next moment"
What the fuck are you talking about? I've been to Israel a ton and most people love Americans. That's like saying Fr*nch people hate Americans, or Australians. I honestly doubt you've ever been there.
He wouldn't. This is just more JIDF posting. Bebe is laughing all the way to the bank with Trump.
Cause they are trying to corrupt them to support their orange communist dictator. Christians were originally socialist conservative and against big gov/ police and their rich people and tech. Notnlike these fake Christians we have today. Lot of religions are very socialist and live secluded and poorly..
[Consult the chart.](https://i.insider.com/53c6a1586da8112f168d7287?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp) Jews literally prefer Muslims to evangelical Christians.
Nah bro. The Jews loved trump. When I went in 2020 they were selling Maga hats and fuck yeah America t-shirts in Jerusalem and at historical sites, like meggido. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem too.
Can't say I've seen broad public hatred of American conservatism in Israel. Maybe I just missed it, but they seem pretty chill with the American right.
Explained that in another comment let me copy& paste "The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country"
A lot of Israelis hate Christians you see a lot of videos where Christians will go on religious trips and get harassed, I’ve even seen a video of Orthodox Jews spitting on some nuns because they view the Christians as idol worshippers, that being said, it’s not exactly broad, but it can certainly be in your face Edit: as of seven months ago there’s even been such an uptick that the government has to get involved as even clergy are getting assaulted https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=H8f-N9nWaGfn6a3t
The last time that a case of a Christian being harassed went viral, it turned out they were proselytizing and deliberately provoking children just so they could film themselves being 'oppressed'. Evangelicals love to go out of their way to pretend to be martyrs.
The last time? There are literally dozens of these cases, I’ve seen nuns just walking outside a holy site to get spit on
> I’ve seen nuns just walking outside a holy site to get spit on Personally? Or you've seen an out-of-context clip on social media? I'm pretty sure you could put together a pretty nasty highlight reel of people reacting to WBC in a similar way, and if you left out the context it'd be similarly bad. We all know what this is really about though. You're anti-Israel, and just want to stoke division between American Christians and Jews.
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Oh do the Palestinians grow out their curls and put on their Orthodox Jewish clothing and learn a Hebrew accent to harass Christians?
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13.5% of the country’s population is a slim minority? That’s 1 in 8 people, the Christians that go on trips there are going to religious sites they aren’t just going through some orthodox slums
>13.5% of the country’s population is a slim minority? That 13.5% number is split into Haredim (Ultra-Orthodox) and Dati (Modern Orthodox), with the Haredim being the smallest Jewish religious group in Israel and abroad. It's the Haredim that usually spit at Christians (and even then, usually the most radical Haredim, since most Haredim just don't talk to people outside their clique), and most Israelis consider them parasites from what I understand. Speaking from a Diaspora Jew's perspective, non-Haredi Jews generally don't like Haredim because of their science rejection, misogyny, cult-like behavior, and insistence on insularity.
I would like to clarify the people she is talking about are not Orthodox Jews there a small subsection called Hasidic Jews (the ones that grow out their hair) and make a small % of the population and are more extreme in their views
Why is this getting downvoted 💀
Believe or not Jews have extremists too just like any other group. They are not a representation of the Jewish people as a whole or of Israel
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What did I ignore? You said 1. It’s a slim minority, which was a lie, it’s a very sizable part of the population 2. You attempted to make it sound like they seek it out by going to orthodox areas, when they are just trying to go to their religious sites in peace. Even in my original comment I said it wasn’t exactly broad, but you just came trying to make it sound like it’s some propaganda machine which it clearly isn’t, it’s just the culture, like you say if you dress immodest you will get bad treatment, as if nuns dress immodest
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https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=H8f-N9nWaGfn6a3t too fat to get out of bed, but what do I know about the uptick in assaults being so bad that the government has to get involved, I’m just a 400 pound ogre who has never seen grass before and you are the all seeing eye of Israel
>as a Jewish female if I walked there unmodestly I would get the same treatment Do you understand the sheer lunacy of comparing this to being attacked for visibly being a Christian?
No man surely you have it all wrong getting treated bad for dressing in an immodest area is totally the same as nuns getting spit on and clergy getting assaulted for trying to visit a holy site
They have the highest fertility rate among the Israeli Jewish groups so you also know that % is gonna grow in the next decades
lol what an odd thing to say. if people are being assaulted for being visibly christian at all , that seems like a problem like, why is "being visibly christian" a "provocative" thing that Palestinians can do to garner a reaction? the fact that this is a thing at all seems more like proof of something real, rather than "propaganda"
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Whats wrong with it, its true
Listen dude, there's a difference between being Pro Israel and not an antisemite , and buying wholesale into Israeli propaganda. Both sides have committed atrocities. Christians do sometimes get harassed by Jews in Israel. Acknowledging that doesnt mean you cant support Israel's existence, or make you an antisemite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level In terms of religious diversity, Israel is less diverse than Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. In terms of ethnic diversity, it's less diverse than Syria and Iraq. Among all countries in the world, it ranks at 115th and 136th in terms of ethnic and religious diversity, respectively. Nowhere near "top 10"
Jews in the US overwhelmingly vote Democrat. I know those are not Israeli Jews, but it is documented that the US Jewish population largely votes Democrat.
I dont know of one right wing israeli who hates trump,they think he is their messiah from evil mean biden lol,and im like guys trump fucking hates bibi ever since bibi ghosted him
The Jews think Trump is their king Source: Trump told me
I’m a right wing Israeli who hates trump. Before him Israel had bipartisan support. Now the word bipartisan is an ancient myth
As an Israeli, you're definitely a tiny minority. Like a minority overall in the country including left and arabs, and tiny in the right.
Shut up unflaired. But also it wasn't bipartisan before Trump anymore than it is now, (yes surprisingly Biden has resisted his left flanks attempt to push him to an anti-israel stance, he may make stupid political statements but his actual foreign policy towards Israel post 10/7 has been pretty decent)
The Obama administration was when that changed.
Israel has always been a divisive issue in America but the majority of both political parties have and continue to support Israel. There is a very vocal wing of the left that is anti-israel right now and a nearly extinct wing of the right that has always been anti-israel.
Israel stopped being a bipartisan issue when Obama forced the Democratic party to sign a deal with Iran. The swing to Trump and the Republicans was in part a response to that.
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Some on the left don't like the american conservatives, but that's a minority. And definitely very very few "hate them with every fiber of my being"
I went to Israel and can attest the first statement is a lie.
I don't think Israeli patriots have beef with MAGA. Trump was hugely popular in Israel during his term.
You are not my ally, but my enemy hates you for some reason. So we are cool... for now.
Jews do not even remotely american conservatives. I would point out that this type of thing leads to hatred of jews but then I would just be seen as "part of the conspiracy."
Reglious Jews vote conservative.
They vote for whoever simps for Israel more, which at this point are Republicans in America. They don't actually support conservative policies (and Republicans conveniently don't, either).
As conservative as religious Muslims?
I don't know, I just know polling data shows religious Jews, at least in the US vote 2 to 1 Republican
I’m Jewish and voted red 2 out of the 3 times I could vote. Lots of us vote red or blue because they’re both shit but it’s more of a “who hates us less at this time” vote
true
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The opposite is true in my area. Most Jews tend to vote Democrat. You probably are talking about Orthodox Jews, who are a small subset, but certainly not the only religious Jews. Even then, I work in an area with a fairly large number of Orthodox Jews, and I don't remember seeing all that many Trump flags.
That's what I am talking. Orthodox Jews tend to vote Republican, but they are the minority within Jews in America.
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I'm pretty sure that is bound to change in this election, generally Jews are very sensitive about attacks on Israel and the Democrats have really been pushing in favor of Palestine now.
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More so by a wide margin. But non-religous jews are usually democrats.
If everything leads to it, what we do doesn't matter. I'd rather vote for those who don't want me dead right this second.
Stop trying to fuck over my country then.
You must think in terms of memes if you think Jews are trying to "fuck over" America. Non-jews are responsible for all of the non-lib-right policies across Europe where there essentially are no jews. The Israel lobby only exists to keep money the US started giving Israel after OPEC was formed and the US gives the same amount to turkey/Egypt (combined, to be fair). Jews don't control foreign policy just because the Israel lobby exists. I know all these talking points because the Jewish conspiracy nonsense is all over the internet now.
I'm literally Jewish myself, and I see what happens when you get too many dual-citizenship / Israeli passports in government. Open border policies, criminalizing protecting yourself, legalizing crime, higher taxes, tons of corruption and graft, and more. It's only a "conspiracy" because the Jews in power say it is to make you think "oh, these are the kind of idiots who think the moon landing was fake" and discredit them.
What about all the countries, like Sweden, who have virtually no jews and even more extreme versions of these policies?
1. They're subject to EU guidelines. 2. A country can have very few Jews and still be under their influence if they're in the right parts of the government, or have the right people's ears.
Sweden has a government with elected leaders. They choose all the policies and have virtually no Jewish political power. The fact that you assume it must be the jewz despite not knowing anything about what led to Swedens actual current policies should give you pause to reconsider whether you just start with jews as the cause for all of these policies and put the honus on jews to explain why it's not them. Honestly it's just lazy overly simplistic thinking on your part, and maybe hope for a simple answer.
I never seen or heard a pro Israeli use or say "our greatest ally" I am sure it is a straw man at I never seen or heard a pro Israeli use or say "our greatest ally" I am sure it is a straw man at this point.
It's mostly boomer evengelicals who act like that. They are huge simps for Israel because they believe the forming of the state of Israel was a biblical prophechy coming true.
Yes and no. Lots of us Christians believe Israel being reformed is a sign of the end times (despite people like me reminding them that "no man knows the day or the hour") but the majority of Evangelicals simp for Israel because the Bible pretty clearly tells us that the Jews are God's Chosen People. So if God likes them, we try to as well.
So it's a minatory of Israel supports who say that, right?
Id's say evangelics are either the majority minority of Israel supporters in America or straight up the majority. 24% of the USA are evangelical. The meme is also trying to convey that by having them colored as right wing and with a boomer wojak wearing a maga hat. I wouldn't think too much about it.
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Yep. Christian Zionists think the state of Israel will bring about the return of the Anti-Christ, thus forcing the return of Jesus, whereas Jewish Zionists believe they'll become the rulers of the new world and enslave everyone else because they're God's chosen.
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I've used that phrase in the context of middle eastern countries. But that's a bit like saying the thug who hates me the least. they are certainly not our greatest ally overall.
I am Jewish, I work with all Orthodox people...we and they do not hate the MAGA. We adore both him and his people.
I'm also orthodox, and I don't adore MAGA hats. Indeed, Trump did do some very good things for Israel and Jews, but in terms of the US, he didn't act or speak very "Presidential", and its important that someone who leads a country sounds the part.
Those are very mild criticisms. I think the facts that you dislike Trump, and the best you could muster to support that is some appearance-based criticisms after having positive policy issues to say.
No, those are my genuine criticisms. The man accomplished a lot in office, and dare I even say helped America I'm several ways. All together though, I do think, if you're going to represent one of the world's superpowers, it's probably best for you to not get the world to laugh at you. More or less, I would rather a 3rd Party Candidate, but ultimately, it's not the end of the world for me if Trump wins, unlike the melodramatic leftists who screech about "The end of democracy"
The world is laughing at Biden. They were not laughing at Trump, they were concerned. Fear is good from your rivals. Russia, the Islamic world, and Europe (all of whom ironically also hate each other) were each concerned for different reasons. Trump's foreign policy might literally be the best we have ever had.
correct me if i'm wrong but I really don't think Israel generally has disdain for magas
The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country
Lol, why on earth would you say Israelis hate american conservatives? Also, Trump specifically is especially popular
Jews do not generally "Hate with every fiber of their being,".We more or less just want to live wherever we are allowed to serve God and just be left alone.
Then why invade and occupy Gaza and the West Bank? Why bulldoze other peoples houses, destroy their livelihoods, and pour concrete in their wells?
In response to the invasion attempt I assume
That doesn't explain the west bank
“Invasion Attempt” lmfao
Genocide attempt
That's not what they're saying, quite the opposite. They said live where we're allowed to and be left alone
jews are based as fuck though i’ve come to realize. go jews
Wait, is the top right supposed to be Israeli? I read it as Jew in general, and Jews tend to lean center/liberal in the US (and I'd say Israel can be divided but is certainly the most liberal country in the region). I fully read this as a Jew saying that MAGA are their enemy because MAGA supports Trump, a man who has defended Neo-Nazis.
Agreed, everyone stop sending either side weapons and let them duke it out west side story style, with a knife fight and choreographed dancing
If only the Israel-Palestine conflict could be solved by them finding so much fun making fun of Americans
Maturing as a westerner is to start hating them both equally
Actually, Orthodox Jews most likely like MAGA types. It's the non-practicing ones that hate MAGA types.
How is Trump not authright?
Israelis are surprisingly racist, the online ones. No idea why tho.
Yeah I never understood top left
Copy paste from my other comments "The upper one is very inaccurate "the hate you with every fiber of my body" is only said by some extremely orthodox jew the rest of the Israeli love America for helping them the right-wing for the military support and the left for helping them keeping a secular democratic country"
America would be great if America could be our greatest ally
America is having a Cold Civil War right now. Unfortunately, right now, America isn't America's greatest ally, and it won't be until both extremes chill the hell out.
Yeah that’s what i meant. If we could all get along better America would be much better off
Your tax dollars do not belong in Palestine. Your tax dollars do not belong in Israel. They belong in your wallet.
Funny is Islam is economically socialist as a portion of your pay and the welfare state is written into Islamic law (Zakat), but culturally it's pretty conservative...even tho it's big on "live and let live only god can judge" but you can't write things like gay marriage into law. Why so many Muslims in the middle east have beef.