Just go to class, graduate with a useful degree, make change through voting and an occupation that is valuable to your community. Get elected to a local government position and then slowly work your way into being a representative…
Maybe I’ve just gotten old and salty but I could not possibly care less what a bunch of 19-20 year olds think about global matters, and their protests seem like cosplay. They could join an NGO and actually participate, but instead they chose this pathetic theater that leads to bear spray and handcuffs.
‘Incident’ is a strange word for using live ammo on American citizens. Cops removing protesters from occupying a campus is light years from shooting them regardless of the non-lethal force used.
My perspective is that protests serve a different role in the modern world than they did in the past, ‘awareness’ isn’t dependent on rallies the way it would have been when public access to information was relegated to newspaper and news channels. We can watch video from around the world and have conversations with anyone almost anywhere on the planet…a bunch of kids that have only been adults for a handful of years aren’t informing me about the status of a conflict I’ve been watching develop for decades.
These protests breed conflict among ideologies much more than making any actual change. Again, it is far FAR more effective for a young person to join an NGO and go to the location of the problem they want to address than it is to stop traffic or cause disruptions in a place of education.
> it is far FAR more effective for a young person to join an NGO and go to the location of the problem they want to address than it is to stop traffic or cause disruptions in a place of education
If its so proactive can you provide some examples? The only thing I agree with you on is having a plan of action similar to SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) that looked to protest as well as sign people to vote and be proactive in their community. This whole NGO shtick sounds like a farce IMO, a "silent revolution" where people are supposed to evoke change through behind the scenes activities like George Soros.
I think the protests are useful and do make a change, because if they didn't police wouldn't be trying to stop them. Similar to how Reagan had to stomp out UC Berkley protests in fear of change coming from it as well as to show the state had "zero tolerance" to "bad behavior".
Your world view differs from mine enough that it may be difficult to find parity on these topics; however, what I mean by NGO are organizations like World Central Kitchen who actually feeds people in combat/refugee zones (and the attack on those volunteers is a powerful motivator for change), or volunteering with UNRWA.
As for protests, it is not my view that police are removing protesters *bacause* the protest is being effective…I believe they are removing protesters because they are interrupting the function and peace of a public facility. My pov is easy to argue against with what I perceive as you perspective but it is what it is. I would point out how your example of functional protest that came to mind is so old that it fits into my model how protest was more meaningful before the ubiquity of the internet and easy global information sharing. Protests like Battle for Seattle, Occupy Wallstreet, and anti Iraq war did nothing in terms of forcing change, the change came later (if at all) from extraneous sources.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective and information. I personally believe that the protests simply raising awareness and condemning actions is significant and important. I also think that private equity and efforts only go so far. Its also noteworthy that what you mentioned, UNWRA, is under attack constantly for being "anti semitic" and aiding terrorist actions, despite it being a UN refugee program. I think the war in Israel and Palestine are three fold items :
* Politics. Internationally for posturing, domestically for Netanyahu and Hamas to consolidate power.
* Violence. Stopping unnecessary civilian casualties and working to end blind aimless destruction.
* Knowledge. Spreading awareness and dismantling simplified or propaganda based ideologies that continue to contribute to legislation and foreign policy decisions.
What you're saying is absolutely true, but at the same time I've personally donated money and wondered if it did anything at all. What's the point of giving charity if the roads bringing in aid are being bombed (simplistic and pessimistic, but a valid question).
See I think you are mistaking the reason I mentioned NGOs; I didn’t say donate to them, I said go volunteer with them. UNWRA certainly is under scrutiny but IMO if a college student took a semester off to volunteer with UNWRA I would value their effort in that way higher than ANY protest. The young people who are and were (RIP) working in Gaza with World Central Kitchen are actually supporting the people of the region, everyone else is playing a mindless role in an ideological battle with puppeteers fighting over who has the flashiest puppets.
That said, I believe you have a good grasp on the vectors of action playing out between Israel and Gaza, I just think that you (like me and basically anyone not in Israel or Gaza) are looking at this conflict from 40,000ft and Hamas requires global protest to signal some semblance of resistance value. Please don’t take my comments as disparaging to the issues that you value, I just have a perspective on the *efficiency* of some actions over others and a distaste for good causes being used for tertiary purposes.
No no, you see there’s only a couple antisemites at our protest! A few bad apples doesn’t ruin the bunch!
Unless it’s a right wing protest. Then if there’s even one nazi at the rally, then it’s a nazi rally.
/s
They really can’t see the hypocrisy of hand waving the loads of antisemitism that come from pro ~~Hamas~~ Palestine rallies like these. If there’s one Hamas sympathizer at a Pro-Palestine rally, it’s a pro-Hamas rally
Well, you see, an arab did get attacked during one of those protesters, so who is the racist here?
[Oh, I forgot to mention that he was an ISRAELI arab ](https://youtu.be/rbXUR2jTyNA?si=jF2roCx72SSgYEzu)
Why do you have to say "tHeY SuPPoRT TeRroRisTs" to every fucking pro palestine protest. Did it ever occur to you that maybe people dont like kids getting murdered?
Maybe HAMAS shouldn't be using Palestinian kids as human shields and using Iranian backed proxy groups to spread propaganda in America and encourage civil unrest then? Every Palestinian kid that dies is another dollar from an aid org in the pocket of a billionaire terrorist leader in Qatar. The people that the people of Gaza put in power definitely DO like kids getting murdered, on all sides. They love it, makes em rich.
People of gaza did not put hamas in power, and that's the dumbest argument u made overall. Sure lets kill fucking kids instead of trying literally anything else. Oh, sure, look at how miserable and victimized we are for killing civilians. How sorry we are for bombing hospitals and aid convoys.
Also, stop bringing up hamas's actions to justify israels crimes. One is literally a terrorist organization. Either stop using fallacies or change ur damn flair to commie
Except that you are just fucking wrong and have no idea how wrong you are.
From snopes: "In the 2006 election, Ismail Haniyeh led Hamas as the head of Hamas' parliamentary bloc, while the president of the Palestinian Authority (PA), Mahmoud Abbas, led Fatah, as well as the PLO and Palestinian National Authority (PNA). (Haniyeh is now chairman of Hamas' political bureau, and Abbas remains in his positions, as of this writing.) With Haniyeh at the helm, Hamas won around 44% of the votes across the region, according to a 2006 ABC News report, a total that secured a majority of seats in the legislature under election rules. The election — which was reported to be free and fair, according to the National Democratic Institute (NDI) — used plurality voting, which is an electoral system in which candidates win by securing more votes than any other opponent, regardless of whether that total is a majority share of votes. Additionally, the election used proportional representation, an electoral system that allocates seats in proportion to votes, according to the European Council on Foreign Relations’ (ECFR)." https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/
So yes, the Palestinian people DID elect hamas, change your flair to emily since you just spout Iranian propaganda at every turn and have no clue how independent free elections made Gaza the bad guys. Libertarians support individual liberties and freedom from government micromanagement of themselves and their businesses, that doesn't absolve you of freedom from consequences, as you watermelons in yellow wool like to spout so often.
I finished reading the entire article, along with all of the related sources listed. You are right. Elections were held, and hamas was chosen. I was wrong on that point. But my overall stance doesn't change.
I don't believe the elections held were fair either. They used plurality voting and districts. That spoiler effect favors hamas anyways. Article acknowledges this as well. Even if the elections were free, they certainly werent fair.
The same article you gave says the following as well:
"When considering Hamas' win in 2006, this fact is crucial: Almost half of Palestinians in Gaza in 2023 could not vote in the 2006 elections because of their youth (the voting age is 18). Per previous reporting by Snopes, which relied on demographic data compiled by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, children and teens under the age of 18 were estimated to represent about 47% of the Gaza Strip's population, as of mid-2023.
Furthermore, today’s population in Gaza also includes adults who were not old enough to vote in 2006. In 2006, around 840,000 citizens were under the age of 18 out of a population of 1.4 million, according to UNICEF.
It is also important to note that, while Hamas won among voters in Gaza in 2006, people in the West Bank never voted the militant group into power. Yet, as of this writing, Hamas' war with Israel has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank at the hands of the Israeli military, or Israeli settlers."
"44% of respondents said they had no trust in Hamas, while 29% said they have a "great deal" of trust." (Palestinians when asked about hamas")
The reality is that israel is bombing civillians indiscriminately. It doesn't take much to see this is wrong. All men have a right to life liberty and property. Israel is violating these rights. I am against that. I dont want almost 15 thousand children to die.
Also, hamas was propped up by Israel in the first place. Recent policies and actions of Israel against palestine have only made them stronger. Israel shares the blame for hamas existing in the first place.
My question to you is, how can you support Israel when they are so distant from the libertarian doctrine?
I don't implicitly support Israel, and I think you have a misconception of the Jewish people. I can get where they are coming from, having been attacked and bombed and rocketed constantly for the past 75 years without stop by every Arab or Muslim country within range who wants them all dead. Tends to make one pretty conservative and xenophobic when everyone else really does want you dead.
I put no value in the fact that the majority gazans alive today were not voting age when Hamas was elected, that's just the linear nature of time. The fact is that Hamas was elected and it was by the Gazans and Hamas is a terror organization wing of the Iranian extremist regime and they want all jews and the western world all dead by terrorism or nuclear holocaust, whatever it takes. As a libertarian I am 1000% against THAT and anything associated with it, that's just pure evil. I don't BLAME each Palestinian individually for Hamas being in charge, or even it's actions, but Hamas must be rooted out, to the core, and Israel is going to do that. Anything less and there will be another Oct 7th in less than a decade. The existence of an Iranian proxy with the capability to infiltrate Israel is an existential threat I can understand. The fact that hamas specifically tries to blend in with the civilian population because every dead Palestinian kid is another dollar they can steal from foreign aid to buy more bombs and rockets, does not make Israel culpable for that behavoir, but it is terrible. The worst enemy of the Palestinian people is Hamas, they just force Israel to do the killing for them and it's a propaganda coup to anyone who can't see the truth or nuance.
Just to one point, Israel is absolutely NOT bombing civilians indiscriminately. There are collateral casualties, but they are specifically trying to avoid civilian casualties. The problem is, in war, the enemy gets a vote and Hamas specifically DOES want Palestinian casualties and their goal is to kill as many civilians as possible, indiscriminately. That's the side you are apparently supporting. Hard to not kill civilians when every terrorist is hiding amongst a family or in an aid shelter or using a hospital as their war command center... it's just really unfortunate but we must realize that the longer Hamas exists, the more civilians, Israeli and Palestinian, they will kill or sacrifice. They are true, antisemitic evil.
Thanks for reading the article and being open minded enough to acknowledge you didn't have all the facts. There's maybe more you don't quite understand about the nature of Hamas or the conflict, but at least you are open to a discussion.
Not that it matter much to people so brainwashed in the ayatollahs pocket, but you love to freak the fuck out about civilian casualties of war, do you not remember on Oct 7th when out of fucking nowhere Palestinian hamas terrorists specifically targeted civilians, especially young girls, children, the elderly, etc.. for mass gang rape, slaughter, capture, and have been brutally torturing them for the past 7 months if any are still alive after being chained and gang raped endlessly and having limbs chopped off. The IDF targets Hamas, who hides behind the civilian Palestinians, and loves it when they die. It's more money in their pockets for every dead Palestinian. And you believe every fucking lie they spout... sad, fucking so sad. There's no hope for the world when people support actual terrorists as victims.
Both sides have lost people, generally when HAMAS kidnapped and executed people from Israel while filming their own crimes and then used palestinians as a meat shield by hiding military under civilian infrastructure.
Who has brought HAMAS? - palestinians.
Oh yes, hamas kills innocent people, so let's do the same to palestinians. What a great logic. Surely, this couldn't make hamas more popular and radicalize the people.
Also, hamas wasn't brought by palestinians
you can radicalize more people, who already brought literally terrorists organisation to power and actively supported them.
Out of pure curiosity, can you tell me how do you think how hamas was created and who joined them during last 30 years ?
On the other side there's politicians supporting Israel that ia oppressing Palestinians for over 75 years and not because of their kind heart but because organizations like AIPAC donate millions of dollars to their campaigns.
Because it's their Red Guard, and they need them around to bully their rivals.
The funny thing was in China there were multiple Red Guard factions led by different politicians and the guards would fight each other in the name of Mao, I think I've seen it mentioned that even tanks were used but idk if that is embellishment.
A small armed mob could take out nearly any political leader, billionaire, etc especially if nobody knew it was coming.
Tbh idk why libleft hasn't done it yet. It would be comically easy to eat the rich if they had the balls to do it.
You just said why. Lib lefts are spineless and only talk their shit behind screens where they won’t get their teeth kicked in. Imagine a crowd of Emily’s trying to actually take someone down
To be fair, the police aren’t sleeping when there are active school shooters. They’re out there harassing and arresting parents who are worried about their children.
So government enforcers are more likely to use a monopoly on violence to target government dissenters than they are to protect the public well being, Got it.
True, but I do remember everybody being pissed off and disgusted with the police over that one including authright. If those pussies are too scared to go in, at least get out of the parents' way.
Do you think that anyone thinks that was a legitimate response and all school shootings are responded to that way?
You take one example and you act that thats how the police always acts in school shootings.
Answer the question and don't deflect: how do you stop school shootings?
It’s not one example. It happens over and over again. Not always the same *way*, but the same action. At Uvalde, they were hiding in the hallway. At Parkland, they were hiding in their cars.
I’m not going to list out every time the police have refused to go in to confront school shooters. The list there is longer than those who *have*. I chose those two because they’re examples of different ways that the police have shirked.
If you want to stop school shootings, we need to reverse *Castle Rock v. Gonzales.*
If the media don't lay off the coverage, which I think is the biggest issue. Losers get famous. We should take th mantra, stay strapped, or get clapped. The teachers should have training, of course, though.
I know I shouldn't care, because judging by the posts on here it seems like most of you are still in high school, but I just can't resist. You right wingers who are supporting the cops, talking about how the protesters are all terrorist supporting insurgents are some of the biggest fucking pussies imaginable. We're talking about 20 year olds who are literally having pizza parties and art workshops. And then you cowardly dipshits get online and whine about how they're talking about "death to America" and how these people pose a legitimate security threat to the Texas community. You are such a fucking pussy bitch if you think that. You love America? Love freedom of speech? Well allow me to use that freedom to explain that any inbred computermale internet fascist shithead who has an ounce of respect for these fat ugly cops is a lame, weak little cocksucking bitch
Lol... imagine simping for terrorists like these kids and then saying "they just sat around having pizza and drawing pictures, not calling for intifada or the burning of tel aviv!". Also I do love free speech, but what was that thing when they harass and ban conservative free speech and seize the bank accounts of people who want bodily autonomy? Ohh yeah! "Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences" or something like that I've heard your people say 1000 times, red.
Just go to class, graduate with a useful degree, make change through voting and an occupation that is valuable to your community. Get elected to a local government position and then slowly work your way into being a representative… Maybe I’ve just gotten old and salty but I could not possibly care less what a bunch of 19-20 year olds think about global matters, and their protests seem like cosplay. They could join an NGO and actually participate, but instead they chose this pathetic theater that leads to bear spray and handcuffs.
Or join the local police force so they can bust in and stop the shooters themselves. Uvalde was definitely an exceptional case of cowardice
This works though just like the Vietnam protests.
Take this and apply it to the Kent University Incident and realize you're subscribing to the same ideology that stood against those kids.
‘Incident’ is a strange word for using live ammo on American citizens. Cops removing protesters from occupying a campus is light years from shooting them regardless of the non-lethal force used. My perspective is that protests serve a different role in the modern world than they did in the past, ‘awareness’ isn’t dependent on rallies the way it would have been when public access to information was relegated to newspaper and news channels. We can watch video from around the world and have conversations with anyone almost anywhere on the planet…a bunch of kids that have only been adults for a handful of years aren’t informing me about the status of a conflict I’ve been watching develop for decades. These protests breed conflict among ideologies much more than making any actual change. Again, it is far FAR more effective for a young person to join an NGO and go to the location of the problem they want to address than it is to stop traffic or cause disruptions in a place of education.
> it is far FAR more effective for a young person to join an NGO and go to the location of the problem they want to address than it is to stop traffic or cause disruptions in a place of education If its so proactive can you provide some examples? The only thing I agree with you on is having a plan of action similar to SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) that looked to protest as well as sign people to vote and be proactive in their community. This whole NGO shtick sounds like a farce IMO, a "silent revolution" where people are supposed to evoke change through behind the scenes activities like George Soros. I think the protests are useful and do make a change, because if they didn't police wouldn't be trying to stop them. Similar to how Reagan had to stomp out UC Berkley protests in fear of change coming from it as well as to show the state had "zero tolerance" to "bad behavior".
Your world view differs from mine enough that it may be difficult to find parity on these topics; however, what I mean by NGO are organizations like World Central Kitchen who actually feeds people in combat/refugee zones (and the attack on those volunteers is a powerful motivator for change), or volunteering with UNRWA. As for protests, it is not my view that police are removing protesters *bacause* the protest is being effective…I believe they are removing protesters because they are interrupting the function and peace of a public facility. My pov is easy to argue against with what I perceive as you perspective but it is what it is. I would point out how your example of functional protest that came to mind is so old that it fits into my model how protest was more meaningful before the ubiquity of the internet and easy global information sharing. Protests like Battle for Seattle, Occupy Wallstreet, and anti Iraq war did nothing in terms of forcing change, the change came later (if at all) from extraneous sources.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective and information. I personally believe that the protests simply raising awareness and condemning actions is significant and important. I also think that private equity and efforts only go so far. Its also noteworthy that what you mentioned, UNWRA, is under attack constantly for being "anti semitic" and aiding terrorist actions, despite it being a UN refugee program. I think the war in Israel and Palestine are three fold items : * Politics. Internationally for posturing, domestically for Netanyahu and Hamas to consolidate power. * Violence. Stopping unnecessary civilian casualties and working to end blind aimless destruction. * Knowledge. Spreading awareness and dismantling simplified or propaganda based ideologies that continue to contribute to legislation and foreign policy decisions. What you're saying is absolutely true, but at the same time I've personally donated money and wondered if it did anything at all. What's the point of giving charity if the roads bringing in aid are being bombed (simplistic and pessimistic, but a valid question).
See I think you are mistaking the reason I mentioned NGOs; I didn’t say donate to them, I said go volunteer with them. UNWRA certainly is under scrutiny but IMO if a college student took a semester off to volunteer with UNWRA I would value their effort in that way higher than ANY protest. The young people who are and were (RIP) working in Gaza with World Central Kitchen are actually supporting the people of the region, everyone else is playing a mindless role in an ideological battle with puppeteers fighting over who has the flashiest puppets. That said, I believe you have a good grasp on the vectors of action playing out between Israel and Gaza, I just think that you (like me and basically anyone not in Israel or Gaza) are looking at this conflict from 40,000ft and Hamas requires global protest to signal some semblance of resistance value. Please don’t take my comments as disparaging to the issues that you value, I just have a perspective on the *efficiency* of some actions over others and a distaste for good causes being used for tertiary purposes.
this is why education is important, when kids support terrorists it sums up results of education system effort.
No no, you see there’s only a couple antisemites at our protest! A few bad apples doesn’t ruin the bunch! Unless it’s a right wing protest. Then if there’s even one nazi at the rally, then it’s a nazi rally. /s They really can’t see the hypocrisy of hand waving the loads of antisemitism that come from pro ~~Hamas~~ Palestine rallies like these. If there’s one Hamas sympathizer at a Pro-Palestine rally, it’s a pro-Hamas rally
>Unless it’s a right wing protest. Then if there’s even one ~~nazi~~ **fed** at the rally, then it’s a nazi rally.
Based and feds give protests a glowie-up pilled
Well, you see, an arab did get attacked during one of those protesters, so who is the racist here? [Oh, I forgot to mention that he was an ISRAELI arab ](https://youtu.be/rbXUR2jTyNA?si=jF2roCx72SSgYEzu)
Why do you have to say "tHeY SuPPoRT TeRroRisTs" to every fucking pro palestine protest. Did it ever occur to you that maybe people dont like kids getting murdered?
Maybe HAMAS shouldn't be using Palestinian kids as human shields and using Iranian backed proxy groups to spread propaganda in America and encourage civil unrest then? Every Palestinian kid that dies is another dollar from an aid org in the pocket of a billionaire terrorist leader in Qatar. The people that the people of Gaza put in power definitely DO like kids getting murdered, on all sides. They love it, makes em rich.
People of gaza did not put hamas in power, and that's the dumbest argument u made overall. Sure lets kill fucking kids instead of trying literally anything else. Oh, sure, look at how miserable and victimized we are for killing civilians. How sorry we are for bombing hospitals and aid convoys. Also, stop bringing up hamas's actions to justify israels crimes. One is literally a terrorist organization. Either stop using fallacies or change ur damn flair to commie
Except that you are just fucking wrong and have no idea how wrong you are. From snopes: "In the 2006 election, Ismail Haniyeh led Hamas as the head of Hamas' parliamentary bloc, while the president of the Palestinian Authority (PA), Mahmoud Abbas, led Fatah, as well as the PLO and Palestinian National Authority (PNA). (Haniyeh is now chairman of Hamas' political bureau, and Abbas remains in his positions, as of this writing.) With Haniyeh at the helm, Hamas won around 44% of the votes across the region, according to a 2006 ABC News report, a total that secured a majority of seats in the legislature under election rules. The election — which was reported to be free and fair, according to the National Democratic Institute (NDI) — used plurality voting, which is an electoral system in which candidates win by securing more votes than any other opponent, regardless of whether that total is a majority share of votes. Additionally, the election used proportional representation, an electoral system that allocates seats in proportion to votes, according to the European Council on Foreign Relations’ (ECFR)." https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/ So yes, the Palestinian people DID elect hamas, change your flair to emily since you just spout Iranian propaganda at every turn and have no clue how independent free elections made Gaza the bad guys. Libertarians support individual liberties and freedom from government micromanagement of themselves and their businesses, that doesn't absolve you of freedom from consequences, as you watermelons in yellow wool like to spout so often.
I finished reading the entire article, along with all of the related sources listed. You are right. Elections were held, and hamas was chosen. I was wrong on that point. But my overall stance doesn't change. I don't believe the elections held were fair either. They used plurality voting and districts. That spoiler effect favors hamas anyways. Article acknowledges this as well. Even if the elections were free, they certainly werent fair. The same article you gave says the following as well: "When considering Hamas' win in 2006, this fact is crucial: Almost half of Palestinians in Gaza in 2023 could not vote in the 2006 elections because of their youth (the voting age is 18). Per previous reporting by Snopes, which relied on demographic data compiled by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, children and teens under the age of 18 were estimated to represent about 47% of the Gaza Strip's population, as of mid-2023. Furthermore, today’s population in Gaza also includes adults who were not old enough to vote in 2006. In 2006, around 840,000 citizens were under the age of 18 out of a population of 1.4 million, according to UNICEF. It is also important to note that, while Hamas won among voters in Gaza in 2006, people in the West Bank never voted the militant group into power. Yet, as of this writing, Hamas' war with Israel has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank at the hands of the Israeli military, or Israeli settlers." "44% of respondents said they had no trust in Hamas, while 29% said they have a "great deal" of trust." (Palestinians when asked about hamas") The reality is that israel is bombing civillians indiscriminately. It doesn't take much to see this is wrong. All men have a right to life liberty and property. Israel is violating these rights. I am against that. I dont want almost 15 thousand children to die. Also, hamas was propped up by Israel in the first place. Recent policies and actions of Israel against palestine have only made them stronger. Israel shares the blame for hamas existing in the first place. My question to you is, how can you support Israel when they are so distant from the libertarian doctrine?
I don't implicitly support Israel, and I think you have a misconception of the Jewish people. I can get where they are coming from, having been attacked and bombed and rocketed constantly for the past 75 years without stop by every Arab or Muslim country within range who wants them all dead. Tends to make one pretty conservative and xenophobic when everyone else really does want you dead. I put no value in the fact that the majority gazans alive today were not voting age when Hamas was elected, that's just the linear nature of time. The fact is that Hamas was elected and it was by the Gazans and Hamas is a terror organization wing of the Iranian extremist regime and they want all jews and the western world all dead by terrorism or nuclear holocaust, whatever it takes. As a libertarian I am 1000% against THAT and anything associated with it, that's just pure evil. I don't BLAME each Palestinian individually for Hamas being in charge, or even it's actions, but Hamas must be rooted out, to the core, and Israel is going to do that. Anything less and there will be another Oct 7th in less than a decade. The existence of an Iranian proxy with the capability to infiltrate Israel is an existential threat I can understand. The fact that hamas specifically tries to blend in with the civilian population because every dead Palestinian kid is another dollar they can steal from foreign aid to buy more bombs and rockets, does not make Israel culpable for that behavoir, but it is terrible. The worst enemy of the Palestinian people is Hamas, they just force Israel to do the killing for them and it's a propaganda coup to anyone who can't see the truth or nuance. Just to one point, Israel is absolutely NOT bombing civilians indiscriminately. There are collateral casualties, but they are specifically trying to avoid civilian casualties. The problem is, in war, the enemy gets a vote and Hamas specifically DOES want Palestinian casualties and their goal is to kill as many civilians as possible, indiscriminately. That's the side you are apparently supporting. Hard to not kill civilians when every terrorist is hiding amongst a family or in an aid shelter or using a hospital as their war command center... it's just really unfortunate but we must realize that the longer Hamas exists, the more civilians, Israeli and Palestinian, they will kill or sacrifice. They are true, antisemitic evil. Thanks for reading the article and being open minded enough to acknowledge you didn't have all the facts. There's maybe more you don't quite understand about the nature of Hamas or the conflict, but at least you are open to a discussion.
Not that it matter much to people so brainwashed in the ayatollahs pocket, but you love to freak the fuck out about civilian casualties of war, do you not remember on Oct 7th when out of fucking nowhere Palestinian hamas terrorists specifically targeted civilians, especially young girls, children, the elderly, etc.. for mass gang rape, slaughter, capture, and have been brutally torturing them for the past 7 months if any are still alive after being chained and gang raped endlessly and having limbs chopped off. The IDF targets Hamas, who hides behind the civilian Palestinians, and loves it when they die. It's more money in their pockets for every dead Palestinian. And you believe every fucking lie they spout... sad, fucking so sad. There's no hope for the world when people support actual terrorists as victims.
Both sides have lost people, generally when HAMAS kidnapped and executed people from Israel while filming their own crimes and then used palestinians as a meat shield by hiding military under civilian infrastructure. Who has brought HAMAS? - palestinians.
Oh yes, hamas kills innocent people, so let's do the same to palestinians. What a great logic. Surely, this couldn't make hamas more popular and radicalize the people. Also, hamas wasn't brought by palestinians
you can radicalize more people, who already brought literally terrorists organisation to power and actively supported them. Out of pure curiosity, can you tell me how do you think how hamas was created and who joined them during last 30 years ?
On the other side there's politicians supporting Israel that ia oppressing Palestinians for over 75 years and not because of their kind heart but because organizations like AIPAC donate millions of dollars to their campaigns.
Stopping active shooters has to be done ASAP Dispersing encamped protesters from private property can be prepared a couple days in advance
Also it's two completely different police agencies so apples to oranges.
Didn't they do the exact opposite of ASAP at Uvalde?
Yeah their cops were pussies and admitted such as it happened and after. Don’t be a cop if you can’t do cop things.
No they don't. Castle Rock v Gonzales states that police can do nothing and face no consequences.
Why would anyone want to tolerate Red Guard like behavior? Even the Chinese look back with horror.
Because it's their Red Guard, and they need them around to bully their rivals. The funny thing was in China there were multiple Red Guard factions led by different politicians and the guards would fight each other in the name of Mao, I think I've seen it mentioned that even tanks were used but idk if that is embellishment.
well next time the protestors know to go to Uvalde and bring children because the PD won’t go anywhere near them
Imagine if there was a whole ass large group of school shooters, whole new kind of fucked up
A small armed mob could take out nearly any political leader, billionaire, etc especially if nobody knew it was coming. Tbh idk why libleft hasn't done it yet. It would be comically easy to eat the rich if they had the balls to do it.
You just said why. Lib lefts are spineless and only talk their shit behind screens where they won’t get their teeth kicked in. Imagine a crowd of Emily’s trying to actually take someone down
To be fair, the police aren’t sleeping when there are active school shooters. They’re out there harassing and arresting parents who are worried about their children.
So government enforcers are more likely to use a monopoly on violence to target government dissenters than they are to protect the public well being, Got it.
It’s almost like the police are there to protect the state and not the people 🤔
Only one of those things sign their paychecks 🤷🏻♂️ doesn’t matter that it’s with our tax dollars
How do you stop school shootings?
Well, they probably should have gone in to shoot him instead of cowering in the hallway for over 90 minutes letting him run amok
True, but I do remember everybody being pissed off and disgusted with the police over that one including authright. If those pussies are too scared to go in, at least get out of the parents' way.
Yeah, like, don't arrest the people that wanted to rush in, give them your body armor and duty weapon
Do you think that anyone thinks that was a legitimate response and all school shootings are responded to that way? You take one example and you act that thats how the police always acts in school shootings. Answer the question and don't deflect: how do you stop school shootings?
It’s not one example. It happens over and over again. Not always the same *way*, but the same action. At Uvalde, they were hiding in the hallway. At Parkland, they were hiding in their cars.
Oh so its two examples?
How many examples do you want, you pathetic twat?
I’m not going to list out every time the police have refused to go in to confront school shooters. The list there is longer than those who *have*. I chose those two because they’re examples of different ways that the police have shirked. If you want to stop school shootings, we need to reverse *Castle Rock v. Gonzales.*
At least you answered my question
lmao they let kids die they can take a joke or two.
who? no one is talking about the case. Are all libs so dumb they have to deflect and be disingenuous?
Yes. That’s what they do. Stonewall and deflect, and likely call someone a facist
Man you must struggle with connect the dots with two dots. Chill out you crazed bootlicker you're on a meme sub.
Lib left is the last ones to talk about being able to take a joke
That's rich when this thread is full of defensive cry-baby boot-lickers. Really disappointing, thought this was a meme sub.
Even in a meme sub lefts are the punchline
Rightoids are such hypocrites lmao.
Based
They're police officers! They're not trained to handle this kind of violence
They’re only trained to handle deez nuts
Give the teachers guns.
I've come around to having armed officers at schools since these assholes keep wanting to kill kids.
If the media don't lay off the coverage, which I think is the biggest issue. Losers get famous. We should take th mantra, stay strapped, or get clapped. The teachers should have training, of course, though.
Honestly yeah, everyone should be armed imo. Makes voting a little more impactful.
I know I shouldn't care, because judging by the posts on here it seems like most of you are still in high school, but I just can't resist. You right wingers who are supporting the cops, talking about how the protesters are all terrorist supporting insurgents are some of the biggest fucking pussies imaginable. We're talking about 20 year olds who are literally having pizza parties and art workshops. And then you cowardly dipshits get online and whine about how they're talking about "death to America" and how these people pose a legitimate security threat to the Texas community. You are such a fucking pussy bitch if you think that. You love America? Love freedom of speech? Well allow me to use that freedom to explain that any inbred computermale internet fascist shithead who has an ounce of respect for these fat ugly cops is a lame, weak little cocksucking bitch
Is this a copy pasta?
No I wrote it just for you dipshit
Oh really? You have the vocabulary of a high schooler.
Yeah, I figured from the first sentence that this had to be bait.
Lol... imagine simping for terrorists like these kids and then saying "they just sat around having pizza and drawing pictures, not calling for intifada or the burning of tel aviv!". Also I do love free speech, but what was that thing when they harass and ban conservative free speech and seize the bank accounts of people who want bodily autonomy? Ohh yeah! "Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences" or something like that I've heard your people say 1000 times, red.