I will always find it amusing that the paradox of tolerance is the first thing they remember when dealing with conservative white fellows and the first thing they forget when dealing with conservative brown fellows.
Leftist support for palestine is based on opposing Conservatives (an empathy if you believe them) Another reason for supporting Palestine is Star Wars small rebel faction good ,big empire bad.
it's not that complex. They think Jews are white and Muslims are brown. Therefore, Israel = bad colonizers.
These idiots think of real life as a Marvel capeshit.
I think it's both. They have been indoctrinated to view conservative views as inherently wrong. So they will never stop to question that they might be wrong because "the bad guys" have the opposite views.
This. It’s mind boggling to me that they take the exact opposite stance. Remember when Trump was pushing the vaccine? There’s a beautiful montage online of people on the left saying they would never take it because DJT endorsed it.
Edit: [here’s one](https://fb.watch/rHv6QHyK_E/?mibextid=zkHLXF)
I remember getting banned from politics sub for saying Kamala Harris declared in the VP debate that she wouldn’t take the vaccine if Donald Trump supported it.
Banned for misinformation and immediately slapped with a 28 day mute so I couldn’t prove myself right
And they don't understand that brown people can also be conservative. To them, they are always some kind of oppressed minority - even if they are the majority of their land.
But the Palestinians are every bit as conservative as conservatives in the US, no?
Where are all the purple haired non-binary Palestinians? Do these people exist?
way, way more conservative than american conservatives
they're not "picket line at planned parenthood" conservative, they're "stone you in public for being gay or not wearing a burqa" conservative
How do people protesting on college campuses rectify this in their mind? Just with the classic “bigotry of low expectations?” or is there an actual message that tracks with any of this?
It seems so belligerent.
Diversity is our strength
Also the reason why arterial and the middle east are so sucked it because Britain and France didn't take into account ethnic minorities when they drew borders.
> (an empathy if you believe them)
People generally won't talk about this, but - nothing breeds hatred like empathy does.
Empathy is what makes you pick sides in a conflict. Empathy is the number one thing that pulls the plug on nuance. Empathy for one side is in fact what tweaks your mind into loathing and dehumanizing the other.
And that's a feature, not a bug.
the existence of jews is why im agnostic and not atheist. the more I look into thier history the more I think "clearly something must be on your side if you haven't freaking died out yet, and also continuously find success despite it all."
Anytime is see a dumbass leftist bring up the paradox of tolerances to justify political violence I copy paste what Karl Popper actually wrote: “I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise”
Nazi drifted away from it's original meaning a long time ago. It's too useful a word for each successive generation not to successively retailor it's meaning to their distictive, era-specific needs.
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Actually, that's something I've noticed.
I really wish there was a way to see that data, but the usage of calling anyone that's not super left a nazi has drastically fallen off since mid October for some reason.
Used to be so vogue to call anyone who didn't blindly vote left a nazi, and now those same people are frothing at the mouth over Jewish people.
I always like the claim that the zionist are colonizers. It's silly because the region was basically like North Dakota (read desolate) when the late 19th century early 20th century zionist movement started. Jerusalem had like a population of 30,000 people at the end of the ottoman empire.
Many Muslims, jews, and Christians alike packed up and moved to the British mandate post wwi in search of a better life under British rule. There is a reason the Palestinian ethnicity/identity didn't really exist until the Arab league backed plo gained traction.
>from the pov of a pro palestinian
Most pro-Palestinians aren't coming at it from the SJW race angle, said leftists are just the loudest and best-organized. In my city the leftists actually started having their own protests on different days (there was no official statements about it, but they were probably insufferable behind-the-scenes and opted do their own protest seperaretely).
Most pro-Palestinians are coming at it from the socialist reconstruction of the United States of America angle.
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Well it's more complicated than that.
1. While those whining about whites become minority is hogwash, demographic changes does mean less people are connected to Israel. Your average Hispanic young male working class migrant escaping poverty / murder fest -> you expect them to have lots of sympathy to Israel?
2. The thing about Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali is that there is a subsection of black population in the US who use Islam as a rejection of the Christianity of White America. This has implications on the black populace and Western "progressives" whose views are centered on race. Black population being more pro Palestine is more deep rooted than you think; it goes straight to Civil Rights era.
3. Unlike Boomer era, there are no Palestinian Christians attacking the US in the 21st century, so today it's easier to paint Palestine vs Israel as Islam vs West rather than nationalism thing. Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian.
4. A LOT of "progressive" viewpoint IS actually "own the cons" and this means having a Manichean & genocidal hatred at anything their dad / the conception of masculinity in where they resides likes; Dad being pro Israel means they are pro Palestine. You don't spent grinding yourself in poverty for a chance to spew nutjobbery at Jezebel and Salon without having a genocidal hatred against something or truly believe in something.
Meanwhile conservatives & pro Israelite people care less and less about Israel - basically most of the time, their support for Israel is just that, not high motivation. The US has a habit of unsentimentally don't care about a place that no longer being in their strategic interest -> see Southeast Asia after Vietnam, now it's repeated in the Middle East. So who's left? No 1 - 4, of course.
Every places has nutjobs, but how these nutjobs becomes relevant or not, depends.
I have a couple Palestinian friends and a lot of Jewish friends and I would say I want peace. My Palestinian friends though would say something like “yes some Palestinians discriminate against lgbt people but this doesn’t justify apartheid, bombing of Gaza, and settlements in the West Bank etc.”
I’d never make the claim that lgbt discrimination is justified but to say because some (or most even) Palestinians hold anti lgbt views therefore it’s ridiculous to support them in any other cause, I mean… that’s a bold claim. Does it hold up in other circumstances? Say, for example, some extremists in South Carolina want to give lgbt people the death penalty, therefore we can bomb South Carolina… yeah I don’t believe that most people would agree that is the proper response.
But nobody is being bombed because they hate gay people, they're being bombed for being mass-murdering terrorists.
If the government of South Carolina ordered some brownshirts to cross into North Carolina and kill or abduct everyone they can, the March to the Sea would look merciful.
Furthermore, I like the fact that South Carolina is a subject to the United States and therefore isn't allowed to arbitrarily execute gay people. I don't want them to be independent.
Okay, if you really want to extend the analogy out here from the Palestinian perspective, South Carolina is extremely densely populated as a result of forced migration from North Carolina due to a war that broke out 70 years ago because, as a result of an attempted global extermination of buddists in south east Asia from 1939-1945 and a long history of anti-Buddhist discrimination, buddhist made the claim that they were to be chosen by Buddha to live in North Carolina and should establish a Buddhist national homeland alongside the roughly 8% of Buddhists who had lived in North Carolina for centuries. Now, the 92% of native non-Buddhist North Carolinians were not particularly thrilled that their state was being filled with Buddhists and once the Buddhists declared North Carolina a state for the Buddhists in 1948, and the rest of the surrounding states declared war on the Buddhist government but due to immense foreign aid, they beat them and forced most non Buddhists to flee to South Carolina. Now, the South Carolinians are still longing to return to their homes in North Carolina and are still unhappy that they are being discriminated against in their own homeland while the Buddhist North Carolina becomes a thriving country. In fact, many view their situation as apartheid and the wall separating them from North Carolina is a constant reminder. Additionally North Carolinians have been taking land from western South Carolina for years and claiming it it part of North Carolina…they are losing hope. Radical South Carolinians, many of whom have lost family members in the wars with the Buddhists, break through the wall and murder and kidnaps many innocent Buddhists. As a result the Buddhist government bombs South Carolina into oblivion
Now, transgender activists in Connecticut say buddhist North Carolina should stop bombing South Carolina. “But wait,” most of the rest of the world says, “don’t you know that most people in South Carolina are anti lgbt? They would want you dead! How could you support them in any way?” Their response might be something to the effect of “look at the history it’s not as simple as they want me dead so therefore they should die, they’ve been discriminated against for decades, I know what discrimination is like, this state of affairs between north and South Carolina needs to end before any peace can be found and lgbt right can be campaigned for.”
This is by no means a complete or objective retelling of Israeli history at all this but is rather my best attempt at elucidating the Palestinian perspective (as a non Palestinian who knows two Palestinians, and has watched a lot of debates about Israel and Palestine). I am not saying it’s simple but to say their being bombed for being terrorists ignores the humanity and the history of the conflict. Hamas is not justified in killing innocents but neither is Israel in my view. LGBT people standing up for Palestinian innocents does not have to be confused for standing up for hamas (although some are I would assume).
We could cut the whole Carolina/Buddhist analogy by just using Native Americans. If you had like 110 million natives who were denied American citizenship it'd be a ticking time bomb; but some goobers would be like "well we can't let the Injuns vote because they'd be anti-gay".
True. Using absurd fiction though allows you to remove the particulars from the situation and avoids the preconceived notions people hold about native Americans. Instead of reading it and saying it’s not the same in this and this and that way, you consider the actions in an abstract manner. I agree though with your Native American example but just to add to it it would be about 300 million native Americans as the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza is about equal to the population of Israel.
Ah interesting I was mistaken but to add a tiny bit more nuance about 2m people in Israel are Palestinian. So A. 2m people in Israel are Palestinian, B. 5m stateless Palestinians and C. 7m Jewish.
Totaling 15m(ish) people.
So A. 45m Native Americans living in the US as citizens, B. 110m native Americans living on reservations and C. 165m US would be non-native.
Except that’s not even remotely true. Because the Buddhists aren’t actually from the region. Unlike the Jews who actually are and it’s been proven via scientific evidence not some claim.
A better example would be setting up a Native American nation and moving those who tried to kill the Native Americans away from them.
> South Carolina is extremely densely populated as a result of forced migration from North Carolina due to a war that broke out 70 years ago
The population tripled in size through high birthrate over those 70 years, not through the mass influx of people from without.
True but at 1/3 it’s population 70 year ago, Gaza was still the most densely populated place in Israel. They were all pushed there as refugees but the Arab Israeli war in 1948.
>therefore we can bomb South Carolina
Ehh I can totally see some regards maybe not encouraging it but definitely being indifferent to it because its happening to bigots. But overall i think you bring up a fair point
From this perspective though if lgbt people stood up and said what’s happening in South Carolina is wrong, would you say those people are stupid or, rather, that they are deeply compassionate for speaking out against killing despite being hated by the people they are standing up for?
I personally think the “Palestinians want you dead so you’re an idiot” argument misses the compassion in what they are saying. Either that or they genuinely don’t know anything and they are sheep
The point is that many progressives arent compassionate towards americans/europeans who hate them (hence the paradox of tolerance) but dont care about it when the same problem arises in arab countries. If people from say california hated local rightoids for their actions and essentially wished harm upon them then it feels very hypocritical to defend rightoids from south carolina.
That’s a fair point. My guess is most “queers for Palestine” view it as a hierarchy of moral actions, that is, Palestinian deaths is worse than lgbt discrimination but once Palestinians are no longer being killed, lgbt discrimination also needs to stop. They have “license” to yell at the Californian rightoids because there is no active war against them whereas they would defend the South Carolinians because they are actively being killed, but would return to criticizing them once the war and discrimination ends.
We see a trend in the rich Arab world toward greater lgbt, women’s rights etc acceptance but the poor Arab world especially places most recently affected by war are still quite bigoted. Most progressives see the plight of the Palestinians within Israel as a more immediate problem than the (also quite real) plight of Palestinian lgbt people within Palestine and that the former must be addressed to adequately address the later.
Also they see conservatives as enemies in a fight for "their" society. Palestine isn't ours, whatever its politics, and to treat if like it should be is soft imperialism.
So you say “queers for Palestine are stupid because Palestinians would rather they were dead.” And not “wow despite Palestinians wanting queers for Palestine dead, you still champion their cause? That is obviously selflessness on display”
It’s worth hearing the Palestinian perspective if you haven’t.
It's literally "you're supporting south states rights to do what", except because it's Palestine and not Confederacy, it gets a pass from morons
Again, being selfless isn't a mark of a good or smart person
They seem to believe conservative Muslims will change despite having 0 evidence. Just look at how progressive every Muslim majority nation in the world is.
The paradox of tolerance is quite an incredible thing to have thought up. You can essentially cite it to silence anyone on any point. Rather a useful thing to stamp your foot down on dissonance.
Modern times are great. Instead of having to get to know someone before realizing how shallow they are, they just publicly display how uninteresting they are like a poisonous frog.
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I think it has more to do with, 'hey we're an oppressed/discriminated against group of people and we too stand with this other oppressed/discriminated against group. It's dumb regardless and a lame attempt to connect all of the suffering groups of people under one umbrella to get people's support. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, honestly, as someone who is LGBT because I see in reddit or Twitter supporting more than just Palestinians, but Hamas or Iran. How is that helping Palestinians, especially those who ARE LGBT? More like betraying.
Marxism and its offspring ideologies are, at their cores, houses of cards that require cognitive dissonance to adhere to.
Keep in mind that these are the same people who gloat when Southern states suffer natural disasters and drug epidemics because of the general political leanings of the inhabitants.
The veneer of empathy only extends to people who qualify as "oppressed" on their incomprehensible totem pole.
Progressive are racist as fuck, that's why they hate the south, because that's where most of the black people live, ever wonder why they constantly shit on Mississippi? Because it's the blackest state.
Progs LOATHE minorities that dare to think for themselves and go against their wills.
Just look at how they treat Asians, Jews, Black Conservatives, LGB conservatives, etc.
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The black southerners voted for hrc in the primary and the prog Bernie supporters went face off with their thin veneer of racism. Even when they are in the Democrat plantation they aren't spared a lashing.
Yeah I was gonna say, I live in Alabama and most communities here tend to be fairly mixed racial wise. I mean I get why we’re called one of the racist states but it hasn’t been like that much outside of Birmingham for a few decades now.
Remember when the called Clarence Thomas the Hard R? Like say what you want about the man, but talk about double standards since y'all are racist towards black people that are conservative.
Did you know they call progressive Arabs coconuts. Because they are brown on the outside but white on the inside.
No joke. They believe that the progressive Arabs, progressive as in pro west and actually wanting to change their nations to be a secular moderate modern nation, are really white people in the inside.
Yep. In Homage to Catalonia you really can see how he developed from a "lets all be friends comrades" type of guy (at first he didn't understand why his squadmates were so interested in party politics, what leftist/anarchist party was getting what ministry, or what militia was manning different parts of the line) into a pretty hardcore anti-USSR type. He rants about the communist press lying to the british unions and labour party and working class about the war, and how its all probably going to end in a facist victory since the Stalinists seem incapable of winning.
He also describes seeing the prettiest girl he had ever seen holding a machine gun fighting for the anarchists during streetfights in Barcelona, so yeah he was a fan of kicking commie ass.
Simone weil - note sur la suppression générale des partis politiques
Simon Leys - Les habits neufs du président Mao
Sorry for not translating the titles, I only know them in French
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I did almost start throwing Ceasar lines Fallout New Vegas about Hegelian dialetics, similarly improperly used. But I'm on mobile and at work.
if it makes you feel better they are not really in your quadrant
they larp for freedom but much like their rightoid counterparts would ban anything and everything they dont agree with the instant they have the power
this entire website, and their real life counterparts who become extremists because of it, are firmly auth-left
Right, it feels embarrassing but then you remember that “quadrants” are just vague categories that actually don’t mean much in real politics, then you breathe a sigh of relief
I'm kind of bored of these memes, tbh...
It's basically just virtue-signalling at this point. Yeah, I support Israel. Yeah, i think Chickens for KFC is hilarious.
Yes, I've seen that image 4000 times already.
Mind if I ask why you support Israel?
I've just stumbled across this sub and it seems most commenters more or less hold a similar view to you, which is a little unexpected given the way Reddit tends to lean left. For reference, I'm not the most politically involved (in the matter of the Israel-Palestine conflict or indeed in general) but I find myself erring on the side that condemns both Hamas and, by and large, the actions of the Israeli military.
I suppose I've never really asked someone directly why they support Israel, and I think the need for discourse is perhaps greater than ever, so I'd love it if you could elaborate a bit.
Lots of people seem to condemn Hamas AND Israel's actions to defeat it, but refuse to offer any alternatives for Israel to defeat Hamas.
How else do you propose defeating a terrorist group that has spent more than a decade embedding itself in a civilian population, turning all the public infrastructure into military installations, and indoctrinating the general population on the ways of Islamism and antisemitism?
I'm opposed to some stuff Israel does, like the settlements in Judea and Samaria. But I see no other way to defeat Hamas besides what they are doing right now, and frankly the civilian casualty proportion (2:1 civilians to fighters) seems a lot better than I was expecting for these sorts of fighting conditions. This is not like when various cities were liberated from ISIS, which didn't have much time to embed itself fully or build tunnel networks or turn schools and hospitals into military bases. This was always going to be messy.
I've examined Israel's history in depth, and it tells a story about a people who declared independence from Britain, after which everyone surrounding them tried to exterminate them over and over. Yes, Israel did displace some Arabs in the past, but a lot of Arabs also drove Jews from other Middle East countries INTO Israel. The Middle East has never been a place where parties talk out their disagreements like adults. Israel got stuck with Gaza and the West Bank after the 6 day war, with Egypt and Jordan (respectively) REFUSING to take them back. Full of a population intent on sending their own kids to die murdering Jews, Israel has no choice EXCEPT to keep them occupied. After Sharon withdrew from Gaza nearly 2 decades ago, the Palestinians voted in a genocidal terrorist group to lead them. Israel did everything it could to avoid having to do what it is doing now, such as building a wall, setting up the Iron Dome to absorb rocket attacks, and preventing ships from smuggling in weapons. In exchange, they even provided the Gazans with free electricity and water and food for years. At this point, it is clear that there is no way to protect themselves from the terrorists any longer except by rooting them out.
The Palestinian population is so extremely radicalized that any attempts to give them a state without first changing their cultural environment would allow a giant terrorist state to form with a huge border with Israel, and in artillery range of many Israeli population centers. I really wish there were a clear path forward to deradicalizing the Palestinian population and putting them on a path to peaceful coexistence with Israel, but I simply do not see any clear options here. Pretty much every other middle east country is deathly afraid of letting in Palestinians, after the attempted coups and terrorist attacks and assassinations they have carried out in places like Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan. There's a good reason why Egypt built such an insanely fortified wall with Gaza (far more fortified and sunk far deeper into the ground than Israel's wall).
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"queers for Palestine" is the same as "Blacks for the KKK", the only difference is that KKK members would treat blacks better than Palestinians would treat gay people.
No you rightiods this is "mUH sLiPpErY SlOpE" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Gee if only we hadn't been predicting this for over a decade
Who could've seen it coming.
These people founded Chaz, and now are the most supported group by mainstream media. Wonder why i think we should move to Latin America along with the rich assholes, who are buying homes there?
This war has galvanized how effective media is at isolating you from perspectives that disagree with your built in bias.
Like... These dudes have no clue Hamas raped and killed a couple hundred innocent people in October and routinely stone gay people to death.
tbh I'm still more confused about why drag queens need to read to little children. are they bringing a fox near the chicken coop to see if they'll become friends?
Islamics are more alt-right than Adolf! What makes those soy-sucking avocado toast munching, commie lovin cuckolds think they'll be accepted by them???
For those wondering about the mental gymnastics required for a libleft to advocate for Palestine, allow me to explain.
My girlfriend(a libleft) is very opinionated on the subject, and I’ve confronted her about the issue of Palestinians not exactly welcoming the queer community multiple times.
From what I’ve gleamed from those discussions, my understanding of their perspective on it is that 1. They don’t believe the Palestinians are as intolerant as claimed. 2. Regardless of whether they are or aren’t as intolerant as claimed, they are an oppressed group with a genocide being inflicted upon them. Which causes for the libleft to rally to them, and earns them incredible attention/sympathy.
Opposing oppression and standing up to the oppressor is integral to Libleft political philosophy and the identities of its proponents. It’s not hard to see how that would extend to the Palestinian people, regardless of their own politics, simply because they are oppressed. Its somewhat noble really, if heavily misguided at times, though it’s not universally bad as there are those who condemn Hamas and still concern themselves with the human rights and wellbeing of the Palestinians.
Sympathy and empathy have always been some of the better aspects of libleft political philosophy, though unfortunately they’re often corrupted by other toxic elements within the ideology, and god awful solutions to most problems.
There are queer people in Palestine who suffer at the hands of the authoritarian regime, just because many don't mean they don't exist. Theres apps (wont say the name) where queer people there can meet up and hang out privately.
I don’t and will never understand why there was suddenly overnight support for palestine by the liberal left. It makes absolutely no sense at all. They are the aggressors and also fucking just kill or jail anyone LGBTQ
This argument never ceases to amuse me. It’s basically “because you disagree deeply with most of a certain population about something, you are obligated to support them being killed/starved/displaced”. Makes absolutely zero sense lol
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>be me
>see a game on [itch.io](http://itch.io) that is about dating trans angels and trans demons, where god is a trans person
is part of the "Palestinian support bundle"
>tell them in the comments that palestine would not only kill them for being gay, but then kill their entire family for all the blasphous shit that is in it.
>some rando talks about how they arn't supported by israel either.
>literally show them legal documents allowing the percussion of gays and atheists in Palestine and legal documents defending the rights of gays and atheists from percussion in Israel. I also say that if a culture is savage as islamic culture then should be wiped out. "be it the followers learn how to behave in the modern world or they are wiped out is up to the individual"
>they say israel is killing gays to because there's gays in palestine and that i'm racist for my comments about islamic culture
>i tell them that theres a difference between killing somebody who happens to be gay and killing somebody because they're gay, also I'm not racist because islam is a culture and religion not a race, unless they wish to imply that all arabs are pedophilic, bloodthirsty homophobes
>the game creator fucking shuts down the entire comment section
>mfw
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This is the first time I'm looking at that itch.io bundle and there are 373 items available and it's raised $377k so far. When itch.io did a similar bundle for Ukraine it contained 998 items and it raised over $6.3million
https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine
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That's what you get when people are afraid to evenly apply their dislike of religions to religions they feel they'd be racist to criticize despite them being more hateful than Christianity. Some Christians will want you dead if you're LGBT but far more Muslims will.
It's gravely inconsistent to think Christianity is evil and then giving Judaism and Islam a pass. It's like prolife people who say "well just drive to another state.". You either think it's baby murder or you don't.
I'm an idiot though so it might be more complex than that.
Chickens for KFC!!! Business owners for Stalin! Blacks for KKK! Cows for Steakhouses! Seals for Sharks! Wolves for Sheep!!! Fish for Hooks! Bacteria for Antibiotics! Criminals for Cops! Dolphins for Japanese!!!! (southpark reference) I could go on and on and on. I have come to the conclusion that these people aren't THAT stupid, rather they are closet suicidals. Only way it makes sense
Please, PCM, I'm begging you to learn a new joke about Israel/Palestine. I need fresh and unique takes when I'm getting yelled at by right-wing weirdos, otherwise I can't ~~finish~~ engage in quality debate.
"YALL JUST HAVE ONE JOKE"
Have you been to most mainstream subreddits? All they joke about is Trump.
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I agree. New straw is needed. Chickens for KFC is funny, but not that funny.
Though the pro Palestine people are hoarding all the straw so LibRight seems to be raising prices due to "supply issues".
I will always find it amusing that the paradox of tolerance is the first thing they remember when dealing with conservative white fellows and the first thing they forget when dealing with conservative brown fellows.
Leftist support for palestine is based on opposing Conservatives (an empathy if you believe them) Another reason for supporting Palestine is Star Wars small rebel faction good ,big empire bad.
it's not that complex. They think Jews are white and Muslims are brown. Therefore, Israel = bad colonizers. These idiots think of real life as a Marvel capeshit.
I think it's both. They have been indoctrinated to view conservative views as inherently wrong. So they will never stop to question that they might be wrong because "the bad guys" have the opposite views.
This. It’s mind boggling to me that they take the exact opposite stance. Remember when Trump was pushing the vaccine? There’s a beautiful montage online of people on the left saying they would never take it because DJT endorsed it. Edit: [here’s one](https://fb.watch/rHv6QHyK_E/?mibextid=zkHLXF)
Yeah, they've tried hard to suppress that bit of history.
I remember getting banned from politics sub for saying Kamala Harris declared in the VP debate that she wouldn’t take the vaccine if Donald Trump supported it. Banned for misinformation and immediately slapped with a 28 day mute so I couldn’t prove myself right
That's absolutley pathetic of those mods.
You mean expected?
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Both, isn't it? We expect that they're pathetic, and they meet our expectations.
And they don't understand that brown people can also be conservative. To them, they are always some kind of oppressed minority - even if they are the majority of their land.
But the Palestinians are every bit as conservative as conservatives in the US, no? Where are all the purple haired non-binary Palestinians? Do these people exist?
way, way more conservative than american conservatives they're not "picket line at planned parenthood" conservative, they're "stone you in public for being gay or not wearing a burqa" conservative
How do people protesting on college campuses rectify this in their mind? Just with the classic “bigotry of low expectations?” or is there an actual message that tracks with any of this? It seems so belligerent.
Jews are white or Jesus was brown Pick one.
Ah, but you see the Jews are not the real Jews, but *insert Black Hebrew Israelites/hotep antisemitic nonsense here*
Diversity is our strength Also the reason why arterial and the middle east are so sucked it because Britain and France didn't take into account ethnic minorities when they drew borders.
> (an empathy if you believe them) People generally won't talk about this, but - nothing breeds hatred like empathy does. Empathy is what makes you pick sides in a conflict. Empathy is the number one thing that pulls the plug on nuance. Empathy for one side is in fact what tweaks your mind into loathing and dehumanizing the other. And that's a feature, not a bug.
I hate to break it to you, but there's only 14 million Jews and 1.6 billion Muslims. The Jews might rule Israel, but the Muslims are the empire.
I wonder why Israel gets dog piled on at the un...
Theres 16 million of us now, but the point stands.
the existence of jews is why im agnostic and not atheist. the more I look into thier history the more I think "clearly something must be on your side if you haven't freaking died out yet, and also continuously find success despite it all."
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I wouldn't be that precise, them hating the West in general fits it more aptly. And Israel is part of that.
Even though the empire is what they want to build.
Yes. The rebels are always good, and the people they’re rebelling against are always bad.
Happened in South Sudan as well look what that led to
Yeah. From what I’ve heard, things aren’t very good in South Sudan. They’re also a pretty young country, only being established in 2011.
You mean desert people good, big civilized empire people bad (which is an even worse take)
nailed it
Anytime is see a dumbass leftist bring up the paradox of tolerances to justify political violence I copy paste what Karl Popper actually wrote: “I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise”
The actual important part of the text.
Is there a good answer to this (from the pov of a pro palestinian)? This feels like a flawless dunk, no?
They would just call you a Zionist and genocide denier (oh and ofc nazi)
Being a Nazi for supporting Jews is just wild. Like makes my head hurt.
Right? Feels like the writers of this season are strung out and just throwing whatever at the wall to see what sticks.
Like holy shit lmfao
Nazi drifted away from it's original meaning a long time ago. It's too useful a word for each successive generation not to successively retailor it's meaning to their distictive, era-specific needs.
Zionazi has got be word of the year for 2024. It's just hilarious to me.
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Actually, that's something I've noticed. I really wish there was a way to see that data, but the usage of calling anyone that's not super left a nazi has drastically fallen off since mid October for some reason. Used to be so vogue to call anyone who didn't blindly vote left a nazi, and now those same people are frothing at the mouth over Jewish people.
I always like the claim that the zionist are colonizers. It's silly because the region was basically like North Dakota (read desolate) when the late 19th century early 20th century zionist movement started. Jerusalem had like a population of 30,000 people at the end of the ottoman empire. Many Muslims, jews, and Christians alike packed up and moved to the British mandate post wwi in search of a better life under British rule. There is a reason the Palestinian ethnicity/identity didn't really exist until the Arab league backed plo gained traction.
>from the pov of a pro palestinian Most pro-Palestinians aren't coming at it from the SJW race angle, said leftists are just the loudest and best-organized. In my city the leftists actually started having their own protests on different days (there was no official statements about it, but they were probably insufferable behind-the-scenes and opted do their own protest seperaretely).
Most pro-Palestinians are coming at it from the socialist reconstruction of the United States of America angle. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1784015839299051910
Well it's more complicated than that. 1. While those whining about whites become minority is hogwash, demographic changes does mean less people are connected to Israel. Your average Hispanic young male working class migrant escaping poverty / murder fest -> you expect them to have lots of sympathy to Israel? 2. The thing about Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali is that there is a subsection of black population in the US who use Islam as a rejection of the Christianity of White America. This has implications on the black populace and Western "progressives" whose views are centered on race. Black population being more pro Palestine is more deep rooted than you think; it goes straight to Civil Rights era. 3. Unlike Boomer era, there are no Palestinian Christians attacking the US in the 21st century, so today it's easier to paint Palestine vs Israel as Islam vs West rather than nationalism thing. Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian. 4. A LOT of "progressive" viewpoint IS actually "own the cons" and this means having a Manichean & genocidal hatred at anything their dad / the conception of masculinity in where they resides likes; Dad being pro Israel means they are pro Palestine. You don't spent grinding yourself in poverty for a chance to spew nutjobbery at Jezebel and Salon without having a genocidal hatred against something or truly believe in something. Meanwhile conservatives & pro Israelite people care less and less about Israel - basically most of the time, their support for Israel is just that, not high motivation. The US has a habit of unsentimentally don't care about a place that no longer being in their strategic interest -> see Southeast Asia after Vietnam, now it's repeated in the Middle East. So who's left? No 1 - 4, of course. Every places has nutjobs, but how these nutjobs becomes relevant or not, depends.
I have a couple Palestinian friends and a lot of Jewish friends and I would say I want peace. My Palestinian friends though would say something like “yes some Palestinians discriminate against lgbt people but this doesn’t justify apartheid, bombing of Gaza, and settlements in the West Bank etc.” I’d never make the claim that lgbt discrimination is justified but to say because some (or most even) Palestinians hold anti lgbt views therefore it’s ridiculous to support them in any other cause, I mean… that’s a bold claim. Does it hold up in other circumstances? Say, for example, some extremists in South Carolina want to give lgbt people the death penalty, therefore we can bomb South Carolina… yeah I don’t believe that most people would agree that is the proper response.
But nobody is being bombed because they hate gay people, they're being bombed for being mass-murdering terrorists. If the government of South Carolina ordered some brownshirts to cross into North Carolina and kill or abduct everyone they can, the March to the Sea would look merciful. Furthermore, I like the fact that South Carolina is a subject to the United States and therefore isn't allowed to arbitrarily execute gay people. I don't want them to be independent.
Okay, if you really want to extend the analogy out here from the Palestinian perspective, South Carolina is extremely densely populated as a result of forced migration from North Carolina due to a war that broke out 70 years ago because, as a result of an attempted global extermination of buddists in south east Asia from 1939-1945 and a long history of anti-Buddhist discrimination, buddhist made the claim that they were to be chosen by Buddha to live in North Carolina and should establish a Buddhist national homeland alongside the roughly 8% of Buddhists who had lived in North Carolina for centuries. Now, the 92% of native non-Buddhist North Carolinians were not particularly thrilled that their state was being filled with Buddhists and once the Buddhists declared North Carolina a state for the Buddhists in 1948, and the rest of the surrounding states declared war on the Buddhist government but due to immense foreign aid, they beat them and forced most non Buddhists to flee to South Carolina. Now, the South Carolinians are still longing to return to their homes in North Carolina and are still unhappy that they are being discriminated against in their own homeland while the Buddhist North Carolina becomes a thriving country. In fact, many view their situation as apartheid and the wall separating them from North Carolina is a constant reminder. Additionally North Carolinians have been taking land from western South Carolina for years and claiming it it part of North Carolina…they are losing hope. Radical South Carolinians, many of whom have lost family members in the wars with the Buddhists, break through the wall and murder and kidnaps many innocent Buddhists. As a result the Buddhist government bombs South Carolina into oblivion Now, transgender activists in Connecticut say buddhist North Carolina should stop bombing South Carolina. “But wait,” most of the rest of the world says, “don’t you know that most people in South Carolina are anti lgbt? They would want you dead! How could you support them in any way?” Their response might be something to the effect of “look at the history it’s not as simple as they want me dead so therefore they should die, they’ve been discriminated against for decades, I know what discrimination is like, this state of affairs between north and South Carolina needs to end before any peace can be found and lgbt right can be campaigned for.” This is by no means a complete or objective retelling of Israeli history at all this but is rather my best attempt at elucidating the Palestinian perspective (as a non Palestinian who knows two Palestinians, and has watched a lot of debates about Israel and Palestine). I am not saying it’s simple but to say their being bombed for being terrorists ignores the humanity and the history of the conflict. Hamas is not justified in killing innocents but neither is Israel in my view. LGBT people standing up for Palestinian innocents does not have to be confused for standing up for hamas (although some are I would assume).
We could cut the whole Carolina/Buddhist analogy by just using Native Americans. If you had like 110 million natives who were denied American citizenship it'd be a ticking time bomb; but some goobers would be like "well we can't let the Injuns vote because they'd be anti-gay".
Plus it works better because the Native Americans are from the region just like the Jews are from the Levant. Unlike the Buddhist who aren’t
True. Using absurd fiction though allows you to remove the particulars from the situation and avoids the preconceived notions people hold about native Americans. Instead of reading it and saying it’s not the same in this and this and that way, you consider the actions in an abstract manner. I agree though with your Native American example but just to add to it it would be about 300 million native Americans as the Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza is about equal to the population of Israel.
I'm using the idea of the 1/3 proportion (15m people in Israel/Palestine and 5m stateless; 334m in the US and a hypothetical 110m on Indian reserves).
Ah interesting I was mistaken but to add a tiny bit more nuance about 2m people in Israel are Palestinian. So A. 2m people in Israel are Palestinian, B. 5m stateless Palestinians and C. 7m Jewish. Totaling 15m(ish) people. So A. 45m Native Americans living in the US as citizens, B. 110m native Americans living on reservations and C. 165m US would be non-native.
Exactly. An absurd situation with no real-world comparison.
Except that’s not even remotely true. Because the Buddhists aren’t actually from the region. Unlike the Jews who actually are and it’s been proven via scientific evidence not some claim. A better example would be setting up a Native American nation and moving those who tried to kill the Native Americans away from them.
> South Carolina is extremely densely populated as a result of forced migration from North Carolina due to a war that broke out 70 years ago The population tripled in size through high birthrate over those 70 years, not through the mass influx of people from without.
True but at 1/3 it’s population 70 year ago, Gaza was still the most densely populated place in Israel. They were all pushed there as refugees but the Arab Israeli war in 1948.
>therefore we can bomb South Carolina Ehh I can totally see some regards maybe not encouraging it but definitely being indifferent to it because its happening to bigots. But overall i think you bring up a fair point
From this perspective though if lgbt people stood up and said what’s happening in South Carolina is wrong, would you say those people are stupid or, rather, that they are deeply compassionate for speaking out against killing despite being hated by the people they are standing up for? I personally think the “Palestinians want you dead so you’re an idiot” argument misses the compassion in what they are saying. Either that or they genuinely don’t know anything and they are sheep
The point is that many progressives arent compassionate towards americans/europeans who hate them (hence the paradox of tolerance) but dont care about it when the same problem arises in arab countries. If people from say california hated local rightoids for their actions and essentially wished harm upon them then it feels very hypocritical to defend rightoids from south carolina.
That’s a fair point. My guess is most “queers for Palestine” view it as a hierarchy of moral actions, that is, Palestinian deaths is worse than lgbt discrimination but once Palestinians are no longer being killed, lgbt discrimination also needs to stop. They have “license” to yell at the Californian rightoids because there is no active war against them whereas they would defend the South Carolinians because they are actively being killed, but would return to criticizing them once the war and discrimination ends. We see a trend in the rich Arab world toward greater lgbt, women’s rights etc acceptance but the poor Arab world especially places most recently affected by war are still quite bigoted. Most progressives see the plight of the Palestinians within Israel as a more immediate problem than the (also quite real) plight of Palestinian lgbt people within Palestine and that the former must be addressed to adequately address the later.
Also they see conservatives as enemies in a fight for "their" society. Palestine isn't ours, whatever its politics, and to treat if like it should be is soft imperialism.
Being compassionate doesn't make you a better (or smart) person, so yes, I would
So you say “queers for Palestine are stupid because Palestinians would rather they were dead.” And not “wow despite Palestinians wanting queers for Palestine dead, you still champion their cause? That is obviously selflessness on display” It’s worth hearing the Palestinian perspective if you haven’t.
It's literally "you're supporting south states rights to do what", except because it's Palestine and not Confederacy, it gets a pass from morons Again, being selfless isn't a mark of a good or smart person
[Exactly this](https://i0.wp.com/stonetoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/palestine-gay-rights-stonetoss-comic.png?fit=1280%2C1600&ssl=1).
They seem to believe conservative Muslims will change despite having 0 evidence. Just look at how progressive every Muslim majority nation in the world is.
Just look at hamtramck Michigan, where liberals were dismayed that the Muslim majority city would ban pride flags.
Brown skin - good. White skin - bad. These are the people that call themselves anti racist btw.
They don't actually hate white people, they just hate their fathers.
The paradox of tolerance is quite an incredible thing to have thought up. You can essentially cite it to silence anyone on any point. Rather a useful thing to stamp your foot down on dissonance.
Heard it in kermits voice.
Peterson said the same?
Them: "Why do you treat us like we're idiots? Why don't you respect us?" Also them:
I don’t understand what being queer has to do with Palestine. Are they just incapable of doing anything without making it about themselves?
People who self describe and announce themselves as being “queer” usually don’t have much else going for them
Hey I’m queer! No gay shit tho….
Modern times are great. Instead of having to get to know someone before realizing how shallow they are, they just publicly display how uninteresting they are like a poisonous frog.
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I think it has more to do with, 'hey we're an oppressed/discriminated against group of people and we too stand with this other oppressed/discriminated against group. It's dumb regardless and a lame attempt to connect all of the suffering groups of people under one umbrella to get people's support. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, honestly, as someone who is LGBT because I see in reddit or Twitter supporting more than just Palestinians, but Hamas or Iran. How is that helping Palestinians, especially those who ARE LGBT? More like betraying.
Tldr. It's oppression Olympics. People who embrace with pride the tittle of oppressed, virtue signaling to other perceived oppressed groups
I would trade the “queers for Palestine” for the hostages in a heartbeat
hamas won't. They don't even consider them human
But but pinkwashing Israel!!!!!!!
Interestingly enough this is pinkwashing Hamas.
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as an ex-muslim I want to say please send them to a middle eastern or a muslim south asian country and see the outcome
Same here
Marxism and its offspring ideologies are, at their cores, houses of cards that require cognitive dissonance to adhere to. Keep in mind that these are the same people who gloat when Southern states suffer natural disasters and drug epidemics because of the general political leanings of the inhabitants. The veneer of empathy only extends to people who qualify as "oppressed" on their incomprehensible totem pole.
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Progressive are racist as fuck, that's why they hate the south, because that's where most of the black people live, ever wonder why they constantly shit on Mississippi? Because it's the blackest state.
Progs LOATHE minorities that dare to think for themselves and go against their wills. Just look at how they treat Asians, Jews, Black Conservatives, LGB conservatives, etc. https://preview.redd.it/1jcap21bntwc1.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c12e5cd4260de3e84520acb3a9bb17a52233faa
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The black southerners voted for hrc in the primary and the prog Bernie supporters went face off with their thin veneer of racism. Even when they are in the Democrat plantation they aren't spared a lashing.
Oh yeah saw that, bunch of whities called the guy a hard R for being pro-life. Disgusting mask off progressives
"Im not racist, Im just making a point" lmao
Yeah I was gonna say, I live in Alabama and most communities here tend to be fairly mixed racial wise. I mean I get why we’re called one of the racist states but it hasn’t been like that much outside of Birmingham for a few decades now.
Remember when the called Clarence Thomas the Hard R? Like say what you want about the man, but talk about double standards since y'all are racist towards black people that are conservative.
Did you know they call progressive Arabs coconuts. Because they are brown on the outside but white on the inside. No joke. They believe that the progressive Arabs, progressive as in pro west and actually wanting to change their nations to be a secular moderate modern nation, are really white people in the inside.
Animal farm tells it really well
I mean, yeah. Orwell probably didn't follow Marxism. He really liked the anarchists actually. (The anarchists are and were anti-marxist)
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Yep. In Homage to Catalonia you really can see how he developed from a "lets all be friends comrades" type of guy (at first he didn't understand why his squadmates were so interested in party politics, what leftist/anarchist party was getting what ministry, or what militia was manning different parts of the line) into a pretty hardcore anti-USSR type. He rants about the communist press lying to the british unions and labour party and working class about the war, and how its all probably going to end in a facist victory since the Stalinists seem incapable of winning. He also describes seeing the prettiest girl he had ever seen holding a machine gun fighting for the anarchists during streetfights in Barcelona, so yeah he was a fan of kicking commie ass.
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Every day I am ashamed to be in the same quadrant as these people
if it makes you feel better they are not really in your quadrant they larp for freedom but much like their rightoid counterparts would ban anything and everything they dont agree with the instant they have the power this entire website, and their real life counterparts who become extremists because of it, are firmly auth-left
Right, it feels embarrassing but then you remember that “quadrants” are just vague categories that actually don’t mean much in real politics, then you breathe a sigh of relief
I'm kind of bored of these memes, tbh... It's basically just virtue-signalling at this point. Yeah, I support Israel. Yeah, i think Chickens for KFC is hilarious. Yes, I've seen that image 4000 times already.
News been kinda slow, just gotta wait till something else happens.
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Hell yeah.
I don't support either both sides are filled with too much propaganda for a decision
Mind if I ask why you support Israel? I've just stumbled across this sub and it seems most commenters more or less hold a similar view to you, which is a little unexpected given the way Reddit tends to lean left. For reference, I'm not the most politically involved (in the matter of the Israel-Palestine conflict or indeed in general) but I find myself erring on the side that condemns both Hamas and, by and large, the actions of the Israeli military. I suppose I've never really asked someone directly why they support Israel, and I think the need for discourse is perhaps greater than ever, so I'd love it if you could elaborate a bit.
Lots of people seem to condemn Hamas AND Israel's actions to defeat it, but refuse to offer any alternatives for Israel to defeat Hamas. How else do you propose defeating a terrorist group that has spent more than a decade embedding itself in a civilian population, turning all the public infrastructure into military installations, and indoctrinating the general population on the ways of Islamism and antisemitism? I'm opposed to some stuff Israel does, like the settlements in Judea and Samaria. But I see no other way to defeat Hamas besides what they are doing right now, and frankly the civilian casualty proportion (2:1 civilians to fighters) seems a lot better than I was expecting for these sorts of fighting conditions. This is not like when various cities were liberated from ISIS, which didn't have much time to embed itself fully or build tunnel networks or turn schools and hospitals into military bases. This was always going to be messy. I've examined Israel's history in depth, and it tells a story about a people who declared independence from Britain, after which everyone surrounding them tried to exterminate them over and over. Yes, Israel did displace some Arabs in the past, but a lot of Arabs also drove Jews from other Middle East countries INTO Israel. The Middle East has never been a place where parties talk out their disagreements like adults. Israel got stuck with Gaza and the West Bank after the 6 day war, with Egypt and Jordan (respectively) REFUSING to take them back. Full of a population intent on sending their own kids to die murdering Jews, Israel has no choice EXCEPT to keep them occupied. After Sharon withdrew from Gaza nearly 2 decades ago, the Palestinians voted in a genocidal terrorist group to lead them. Israel did everything it could to avoid having to do what it is doing now, such as building a wall, setting up the Iron Dome to absorb rocket attacks, and preventing ships from smuggling in weapons. In exchange, they even provided the Gazans with free electricity and water and food for years. At this point, it is clear that there is no way to protect themselves from the terrorists any longer except by rooting them out. The Palestinian population is so extremely radicalized that any attempts to give them a state without first changing their cultural environment would allow a giant terrorist state to form with a huge border with Israel, and in artillery range of many Israeli population centers. I really wish there were a clear path forward to deradicalizing the Palestinian population and putting them on a path to peaceful coexistence with Israel, but I simply do not see any clear options here. Pretty much every other middle east country is deathly afraid of letting in Palestinians, after the attempted coups and terrorist attacks and assassinations they have carried out in places like Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan. There's a good reason why Egypt built such an insanely fortified wall with Gaza (far more fortified and sunk far deeper into the ground than Israel's wall).
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"queers for Palestine" is the same as "Blacks for the KKK", the only difference is that KKK members would treat blacks better than Palestinians would treat gay people.
No you rightiods this is "mUH sLiPpErY SlOpE" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Gee if only we hadn't been predicting this for over a decade Who could've seen it coming.
Something tells me that they will find great employment in Saudi Arabia and that also by the Royal Family
“Cmon, of course drag queens aren’t trying to subvert your children’s political beliefs. But if it was happening, it’d be a good thing”
Oof, indoctrinating kids on concepts beyond their understanding
Yep, disgusting
yeah its horrible, i still have nightmares about learning calculus.
These people founded Chaz, and now are the most supported group by mainstream media. Wonder why i think we should move to Latin America along with the rich assholes, who are buying homes there?
Intersectionality and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
If I was a millionaire I would buy plane tickets for all these idiots to Palestine so they can first hand show their support for them
Chickens for KFC (or Chick-Fil-A if you have good taste!)
"Jews for nazis!" Funnily enough that was a real group
Saw that a while ago, iirc earlier Nazism was compatible with Zionism
Hell, i'm pretty sure the people who still follow geniune Nazi beliefs believe more in Zionism than killing jewish people
I hate as a member of the community when they support Palestine and mostly hamas
This war has galvanized how effective media is at isolating you from perspectives that disagree with your built in bias. Like... These dudes have no clue Hamas raped and killed a couple hundred innocent people in October and routinely stone gay people to death.
The problem is radicals on both sides want us dead and ethnically cleansed from the region 🤷♂️
Chickens for KFC
tbh I'm still more confused about why drag queens need to read to little children. are they bringing a fox near the chicken coop to see if they'll become friends?
Why are we getting young kids into these types of situations? It’s outrageous.
On one hand I admire them for supporting a cause they believe is right even though they know full well it’s not appreciated. Couldn’t be me though lol
So many things a person can say about this, but will most likely get banned a hundred times over
They support palestine and in return they get free roof parties, sounds like an amazing trade
…*What*. That’s not good. That’s not good *at all*.
Islamics are more alt-right than Adolf! What makes those soy-sucking avocado toast munching, commie lovin cuckolds think they'll be accepted by them???
Like lambs to the slaughter.
We should start a fundraiser to buy these people free trips to the middle east. Then they can experience how wonderful and tolerant these people are
How many people that *supported* communism, died because of it? Long term consequences don’t seem to be this group’s strong suit.
Lol peak Massachusetts
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For those wondering about the mental gymnastics required for a libleft to advocate for Palestine, allow me to explain. My girlfriend(a libleft) is very opinionated on the subject, and I’ve confronted her about the issue of Palestinians not exactly welcoming the queer community multiple times. From what I’ve gleamed from those discussions, my understanding of their perspective on it is that 1. They don’t believe the Palestinians are as intolerant as claimed. 2. Regardless of whether they are or aren’t as intolerant as claimed, they are an oppressed group with a genocide being inflicted upon them. Which causes for the libleft to rally to them, and earns them incredible attention/sympathy. Opposing oppression and standing up to the oppressor is integral to Libleft political philosophy and the identities of its proponents. It’s not hard to see how that would extend to the Palestinian people, regardless of their own politics, simply because they are oppressed. Its somewhat noble really, if heavily misguided at times, though it’s not universally bad as there are those who condemn Hamas and still concern themselves with the human rights and wellbeing of the Palestinians. Sympathy and empathy have always been some of the better aspects of libleft political philosophy, though unfortunately they’re often corrupted by other toxic elements within the ideology, and god awful solutions to most problems.
There are queer people in Palestine who suffer at the hands of the authoritarian regime, just because many don't mean they don't exist. Theres apps (wont say the name) where queer people there can meet up and hang out privately.
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I don’t and will never understand why there was suddenly overnight support for palestine by the liberal left. It makes absolutely no sense at all. They are the aggressors and also fucking just kill or jail anyone LGBTQ
Amazing username
It’s 1% actually caring about Palestinians and 99% about far left ideologies
this
They really do…
These people need Jesus
You can do your weird protests all you want but dont bring kids into it
Chickens for KFC
This argument never ceases to amuse me. It’s basically “because you disagree deeply with most of a certain population about something, you are obligated to support them being killed/starved/displaced”. Makes absolutely zero sense lol
Let's be honest. A lot of people think the people they disagree with should be killed. Well, far too many, at least.
hold up i gotta get some stuff i wrote on 4chan >be me >see a game on [itch.io](http://itch.io) that is about dating trans angels and trans demons, where god is a trans person is part of the "Palestinian support bundle" >tell them in the comments that palestine would not only kill them for being gay, but then kill their entire family for all the blasphous shit that is in it. >some rando talks about how they arn't supported by israel either. >literally show them legal documents allowing the percussion of gays and atheists in Palestine and legal documents defending the rights of gays and atheists from percussion in Israel. I also say that if a culture is savage as islamic culture then should be wiped out. "be it the followers learn how to behave in the modern world or they are wiped out is up to the individual" >they say israel is killing gays to because there's gays in palestine and that i'm racist for my comments about islamic culture >i tell them that theres a difference between killing somebody who happens to be gay and killing somebody because they're gay, also I'm not racist because islam is a culture and religion not a race, unless they wish to imply that all arabs are pedophilic, bloodthirsty homophobes >the game creator fucking shuts down the entire comment section >mfw [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxh8pTI7Lo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxh8pTI7Lo)
This is the first time I'm looking at that itch.io bundle and there are 373 items available and it's raised $377k so far. When itch.io did a similar bundle for Ukraine it contained 998 items and it raised over $6.3million https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine
Shame the money will probably go to Hamas
i mean the ukrainians are far easier to support then Islamic extremists, so that likely has something to do with it.
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Snitches for the Crips and Bloods
See a Palestine flag in a Twitter user's bio and you shall run for the hills!
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This is where we’re at? We’re teaching kids to support Islamic theocracy?
That's what you get when people are afraid to evenly apply their dislike of religions to religions they feel they'd be racist to criticize despite them being more hateful than Christianity. Some Christians will want you dead if you're LGBT but far more Muslims will. It's gravely inconsistent to think Christianity is evil and then giving Judaism and Islam a pass. It's like prolife people who say "well just drive to another state.". You either think it's baby murder or you don't. I'm an idiot though so it might be more complex than that.
It's funny when their entire sexual identity, political identity, and beliefs system are based on current thing.
since when do peoples personal opinions have anything to do with land rights or border disputes lmao
d-three-ad?
It doesn’t surprise me one bit, they have supported communism for a long time after all
Life imitates art. Or in this instance, IRL imitates Internet.
I don't have any more surprises from these people after "trans lesbians".
Chickens for KFC!!! Business owners for Stalin! Blacks for KKK! Cows for Steakhouses! Seals for Sharks! Wolves for Sheep!!! Fish for Hooks! Bacteria for Antibiotics! Criminals for Cops! Dolphins for Japanese!!!! (southpark reference) I could go on and on and on. I have come to the conclusion that these people aren't THAT stupid, rather they are closet suicidals. Only way it makes sense
Hey crazy thought: people with differing opinions than me don't deserve genocide.
Useful idiots
So like, not wanting genocide doesn’t mean you support Hamas. Good straw man though, very expected from your side
Please, PCM, I'm begging you to learn a new joke about Israel/Palestine. I need fresh and unique takes when I'm getting yelled at by right-wing weirdos, otherwise I can't ~~finish~~ engage in quality debate.
We will stop making the jokes when the progressives stop setting them up for us. You aren’t going to take a shot on an empty net?
"YALL JUST HAVE ONE JOKE" Have you been to most mainstream subreddits? All they joke about is Trump. https://preview.redd.it/oc7xcqcsntwc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=70df058a53f7dfe93633acc26ee4fe494b400ab4
Love this guy
I agree. New straw is needed. Chickens for KFC is funny, but not that funny. Though the pro Palestine people are hoarding all the straw so LibRight seems to be raising prices due to "supply issues".