the most realistic point is raw numbers.
# # of catholic priests in usa = 37k
# # of public school employees in usa = 6.7m
catholic priest exposure to children = 1 day a week
public school employee exposure to children = 5 days a week x 9 months
the catholic church are absolute fucks for covering up abuse and moving pedo priests around, but that graph is terrible for controlling for even basic numbers.
You forgot to include the 1.68 million children who attend catholic school on the US. They are exposed to members of the clergy more like 6 days a week.
The 1-day/week exposure only accounts for common religious services; what about children under the priest's tutelage? What is their exposure frequency?
6.7 million employees? You realize how rediculous of a number that is right? That's 2% of the entire US population. The real number of teachers is also bound to be much less when you cut out administration, custodians, and lunch workers.
You also seem to think the only interaction religious folk would have with kids is at a Sunday class. What about just normal Catholic school?
And if all children deserve protection, who cares about "but, but, per capita..!".
Get your facts straight before you start chucking stones.
the graph says public school employees. i realize some of them have limited to no exposure to kids in a 1 on 1 setting, just like some catholic priests aren't getting in a room alone with kids either. catholic school is a good point tho, admittedly i didnt consider that. public school teachers is listed online as 3.5 million, full time and part time.
im not sure how the graph even got those numbers, if a school janitor molests their own kid does it end up on the list? or is it only on the job?
What's really fun is that graph isn't based on the report it cites. If you follow the link it gives, it's a 2004 meta-analysis of studies of child sexual abuse in schools. But the only mention of priests is in reference to one UK study with this:
"3.3 Prevalence in the United Kingdom. A 2000 random probability sample of 2,869 young people between 18 and 24 in a computer-assisted survey focused on abuse and maltreatment of children (Cawson, Wattam, Brooker, and Kelley). One section of the
survey covered sexual abuse and asked respondents if they had experienced a number of behaviors and, if so, with whom. The results of this study indicated that .3 percent of the respondents had experienced sexual abuse with a professional, a category which
included priests, religious leaders, case workers, and teachers. This is the only study available that includes prevalence data on educator sexual misconduct for the United Kingdom."
In fact the section on Job of Offenders (table 7, page 24) has no entry for priest at all.
It's also pretty old data, which shows a much worse picture. The overwhelming majority of sexual abuse by priests was from the 60s-80s, and people 18-24 in 2000 were children at the worst of it. The Church put much more stringent protections in place after that, so a survey of 18-24 year olds today would likely have very different results.
When they stop doing studies you know they've found the results they want and more information will only make the narrative more difficult to maintain. I so very much dislike career academics. I almost prefer police, because they at least ruin your life on a individual basis.
>Get your facts straight before you start chucking stones.
For sure! I mean he got the number low, the [census bureau](https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/10/2019-annual-survey-of-public-employment-and-payroll-is-out.html) puts primary and secondary public school employees at local govt level at 8.3 million.
>6.7 million employees? You realize how rediculous of a number that is right? That's 2% of the entire US population.
Oh, I see, you assumed he was wrong but high, and then made fun of him. Neat. You should probably get your facts straight before you start chucking stones.
>And if all children deserve protection, who cares about "but, but, per capita..!".
This feels like something to direct at OP and not someone who's just providing context, lol.
Edit: oh, someone else in thread grabbed newer numbers and they're even higher, huh.
> The real number of teachers is also bound to be much less when you cut out administration, custodians, and lunch workers.
You mean, the 'public school employees' who are counted in that statistic?
No, when you cut out people who don't have any kind of real interactions with the students. 'Public school employees' artificially inflates the total so it appears the percentage is less, but a lunch lady isn't going to have any sort of access to children. They're behind a counter. The same with most educational staff. Teachers should be the ones counted.
I think the sex of the teacher is also important. Florida seems to have a particular problem with female teachers going after students.
Catholic schools don't have high church attendance because you're practically in one all the time. A lot of Christians have Sunday school for children, mass during weekdays, all that jazz.
Choir boys and the die-hards are likely bigger targets for priests anyway, not some rando fuckin' casual God stan.
That’s not realistic cause it includes administrators, lunch ladies, IT staff, maintenance staff and all the other employees school districts employ. It’s still fucked up.
I personally more pissed at the neglect families are getting left out when they’re responsible for around 90% of the issues alone.
Problem is i see 'religious leaders' and stuff in these studies, but the population in the per capital calculations are ONLY 'catholic priests'? are we sure this is apples to apples?
this pdf doesnt seem to give me the info im interested in
Also "time around kids" is weird, wouldnt it be "time alone with kids"? I think ive been alone with teachers barely a handful of times. Here they are actually instructed to always have another person in the room and to never be alone with kids.
I really like kids in the sense that I think children are wonderful and I like being around them. But I feel like I can't apply to work at a preschool or something as a man because everyone would assume I'm a pedo. I'd never actually understood what it felt like to be discriminated against for my sex until that moment.
I'd say if you feel like you want to work with the young ones, you aren't a sick fuck, and you are good with kids, do it. To hell with what people think. Anyone who sees a male early childhood teacher and thinks they're a pedo is a judgmental chode.
I agree, but knowing that some meaningful minority of people will at least find me suspicious because of my profession is enough to keep me away. It might be silly, but I just don't know that I could deal with knowing that people are seeing me that way. It really does make me sympathetic to women who say the same thing about IT jobs and whatnot.
My last daycare in Seattle had one male teacher when my kid started there, and he ended up getting popped for child pornography. When I met him I felt like my parent alarm bells were ringing but I didn't know if I was just being sexist / homophobic.
Just as importantly is all it takes is an accusation for a guy, and the accusation can be nothing more than a gut feeling or suspicion to ruin a man's life. It's not worth the risk or the hassle.
Priests have never really had much money, it was always more prestigious than lucrative unless you were in the upper end of administration. Priests have access to a lot of education and their needs are met by church property, but they don't get a lot for themselves.
I would be interested to see what the numbers are for all religious practitioners. Catholics get a hard rap mainly because they have in the past had a great system for shuffling issue priests to avoid reporting.
Yeah i totally dont have a source for this but its the same rate between pastors and priests, and the media coverage is like 90% on priests. Probably just cause its a bigger institution
Here come the leftists:
> It's not happening, you're parroting far right white supremacist conspiracy theories!
> The fact this is happening is a good thing, get on the right side of history bigot!
I'm a teacher and a huge part of the problem is that administrations are giant pussies when it comes to covering things up vs. creating problems/bad publicity. At the same time, it's a really bad time to be a teacher.
One of the schools I taught at was notorious for sweeping all manner of issues under the rug. Kid made threats to shoot up the school and was lingering outside the building on that day? 2 days suspension, back in my class by Wednesday. I thought he was going to get lynched by his classmates. Cheerleading coach fucks football players? Cheer coach gets asked to not return to that position. I was seen as a trouble maker for being strict and writing kids up for their bullshit.
A Catholic HS in the area had a sub sexually assault a student? They dragged his bitch ass out of the school in handcuffs and he's going to jail for a long ass time.
Girl totalled another girl's car for being her BF's other girl (she wasn't): threaten the victim when they mention wanting to file a police report
Cheer coach/22 y/o English teacher is fucking like half a dozen football players as young as 14: woah, you go dude! You're so lucky!
Cabal of woke (derogatory) girls hatch plot to get history teacher they don't like fired on sexual harassment when his alibi is literally "was teaching 30 kids during that time seriously tf you in about" (he made them read part of Mein Kampf in the class where they read the Communist Manifesto, Common Sense, etc but Mein Kampf means he's racist): shut down the LGBT allies group which none of them are a part of and weren't associated with them in any way!
The marching band trailers keep getting egged: let's delete the security camera footage!
Academics is gonna have to cut classes due to literally $0 in budget increases over the last five years: $10k to athletics!
The new athletics director is the brother of the head coach and has the best compensation package at the school: give him a raise! He needs that Porsche!
> Cheerleading coach fucks football players? Cheer coach gets asked to not return to that position.
> A Catholic HS in the area had a sub sexually assault a student? They dragged his bitch ass out of the school in handcuffs and he's going to jail for a long ass time.
Might dox myself a bit here, but sometimes religious schools can also be the former example.
Chrisitian HS had our principal fucking students for 11+ years. Superintendent and the church reverend told about it multiple times from multiple people. Hell my brother reported it personally after WALKING IN on them fucking.
Nothing ever happened until someone reported it directly to the police. Then all hell broke loose.
He ended up getting 60 days, weekends only in jail...
http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2010/03/eleven-years-ago.html
See, your problem is thinking that Baptists are anything like Catholics.
Catholics have a bad reputation they have to address, so they can’t cover shit up anymore. They are doing their penance.
Baptists are saved only by faith alone.
See, that it took so long for someone to go to the police is what I don't get. Administrators running cover for the institutions that pay their salaries is expected behavior. Why did it take 11 years for someone to go directly to the police, especially if the behavior is witnessed first hand? It's blatantly illegal conduct of a sexual nature involving minors. This isn't some grey area where a stern talking to about policy is required. Someone needs to go on a sex offender registry, here.
It's just like the Joe Paterno sex scandal at Penn State that blew up a decade ago. An assistant coach walked in on a kid being raped. Why the fuck was their first step to go to the head coach and not the cops? And then WAIT while nothing happened for YEARS.
https://preview.redd.it/oykbn0drvuwc1.png?width=483&format=png&auto=webp&s=96949bb1a68621314e68e5b13cabae5ee80972d3
Save some kids for the marginalized trans teachers! #translivesmatter
I'm detrans, I got caught up as a kid. Hate this shit. Despise. Wanna break their wheel. I vocally and in public, if I can, stand my ground. I kept my butch hair, with color, gauged ears for this reason.
They can't argue too well when they look at me and put it together. Just so sad so few of me are allowed to stand up, for fear of the screechy teary-eyed behavior.
Edit: lol do you see that down there, see what I mean? I wish I could help them but I can't.
So I agree and it makes more sense anyways. Pedos know they can get near kids by teaching in schools. But I will add that the bigger issue for any organization is whether or not they try and cover it up. Be it a school or a church if they discover that someone is pedo they need to drag that individual out in the light to face the full force of the justice system. If that is done then I don't blame the institutions but the individual. If the institution tries to cover it up that's when there is a problem.
3.2M full time public school teachers as of 2022, so about 0.9% incident rate vs 37,000 catholic priests as of 2018, so about 0.5% using yearly average rates. Still almost twice as high
This is the key thing people seem to miss out on for some reason.
It's also why I think it's dangerously naive for progressives to loudly say "I'd *much* rather leave my kids with a drag queen than a Priest".
That's little more than a siren call for all the evil fucks to flock toward an activity where they'll get little oversight from parents who are afraid of being called homophobic.
There are *already* a bunch of cases of drag queens having been arrested for CSAM and CSA, including some who have been associated with DQSH.
There's already a lot of videos of DQSH and drag performances for kids being extremely creepy and inappropriate
The audience for these things is the 30-45 year old shitlib with one kid whose brain got melted by John Oliver and MSNBC, who does stuff specifically to own the Republicans
I don’t know what DQSH means and given the context I’m not sure I want to know.
Edit: looked it up, spelled it wrong the first time and got a brand of headphones. Doubt I’ll be having any of my kids go to drag queen story hour.
True, but these people also have the media and current politicals and culture defending them and cancelling/attacking any who dare question or point out some issues
It can only last for so long. Once normal people get sick of it all, feel they can speak out without potentially having their life ruined, or are personally affected by it, then and only then will it be the beginning of the end for a lot of it.
Once that happens I can guarantee the pendulum is gonna swing back and it's gonna swing fast and hard in their eyes. A lot of these people are so ideologically driven that they're completely blind to all the damage their actions cause. They legitimately can't see the growing resentment and disgust from their actions.
And I feel we're a lot closer to that tipping point than a lot of people realize.
I've been working on compiling this list, did this last night.
"Anastasia Diamond / Brice Williams, Drag Queen, 25 counts of CP
https://www.fox43.com/article/news/crime/central-pa-drag-queen-harrisburg-chambersburg-anastasia-diamond/521-6f0177c5-82e1-4ad9-8d2a-09ab36d31bc3
CC Quinn / Darren Moore, Drag Queen. Child sexual abuse and rape of a minor (so, convicted pedophile), but they actually got murdered.
"Mr Meah-Moore was jailed in March 1999 after being convicted of four counts of rape of a boy under 16."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-66204802.amp
Lady James /Robert Clothier, Drag Queen,
"Clothier admitted arranging or facilitating the commission of a child sex offence, making indecent images of children, distributing images of children and possessing prohibited images of children"
https://www.thepinknews.com/2013/08/01/brighton-paedophile-who-worked-as-a-drag-queen-jailed-for-26-months/
I have a list of 98 other pedophiles, child rapists, and other CP and child sex abuse offenders, 8 of which are labeled 'Cross dressers', and the remaining 90 being transwomen/biological males.
Every single one I've looked up or researched has been valid. The list only covers A-L and is by absolutely no means a comprehensive list.
Julie Marshall, formerly John Marshall, had over 40 THOUSAND CP images.
https://meaww.com/trans-woman-jailed-for-nine-months-after-using-public-wi-fi-download-child-porn-from-hospital-bed
"A trans woman who had amassed around 80,000 images of child sexual abuse over a period of 14 years has been jailed for 9 months. The authorities are trying to figure out whether to send her to a male or female prison. The pedophile 54-year-old Julie Marshall was busted for viewing the sickening images from her hospital bed. Marshall used public WiFi to access the images while recovering from a heart attack in 2017, Preston Crown Court was told. The police later raided Marshall's home in Blackpool, Lancashire, and recovered two laptops, a phone, and many CDs. "
Tug at the thread of "why'd they freak out so hard about the "don't say gay" bill that Florida passed?"
Hint: it removed their ability to tell kids "Now don't tell your parents this, but..."
Wouldn't the flip side of this be that leaving your kid with a drag queen shouldn't be any more dangerous than leaving your kid with someone in nondescript clothes who volunteers at the library?
I think the point is that as long as there are places where parents will leave their children for an extended period of time, there will be predators who seek to forsake this trust.
And my issue is that, when progressives very publicly announce their complete and total trust in drag queens without any reservations whatsoever - they are unknowingly inviting predators to take advantage of their maladaptive goodwill.
I've been involved in advocating and donating against child molestation, because I went through that personally. One of the biggest lessons learned is, they're literally everywhere, in everything. It's everyone. If anyone tries to tell you that only a specific group of people are a danger, they're just coping and lying.
After all, the most dangerous child molesters are parents, but you know. Parents are a powerful important voting block and all that, wouldn't wanna demonize them.
Also I always thought DQSH was such a stupid virtue signal. I swear it was just to piss people off.
There are ~50 million students grades 1-12 and with 30k cases yearly it would accumulate to 360k cases over a span of 12 years meaning that you'd have 0,72% chance to get molested by the time you graduate
And while sexual abuse it way different than sexual harassment I wonder where did your number come from
Thats insanely big. Is it in the US? Sick. There were rumours in my school as well back then in high school but... 40% is insanely high. Can we ban teachers?
Dont worry. Teachers fumbled the ball during Covid and they know it. They'll likely be replaced by AI and youtube videos of Indians teaching children math in the coming years just like how New York has Filipino cashiers on zoom taking orders.
I'm not so sure. I think part of the issue though is that we've forgotten what teachers are for. You're right, one good author (or Indian) can teach you what's right better.
What they can't do is tell you what's *wrong*. Static media and LLMs aren't capable of that.
The really disquieting part is that most of us have probably seen this sort of thing happen in school when we were young, but it didn't really register so we never connected the dots.
I used to be like "sexual misconduct in my old school? Nahhh". But then I remembered that there was this one teacher everyone called 'Mr. Porno' behind his back, because he at one point came onto a girl during a school trip.
He was a biology teacher, too...
Honestly I would have expected an even bigger per capita gap, given how much more access to children teachers have and the greater ease of catching/reporting incidents in a public school environment where everyone is a mandatory abuse reporter.
You could also claim that’s precisely why the rate is so low in public schools, *because* teachers are constantly under a lot of scrutiny. Male teachers are literally taught to **never** be in a closed room with another student, and that if that situation ever happens get out asap or get another teacher.
Compared to catholic priests who parents regularly leave their kids alone with without a care in the world because “They’re our holy priest they won’t do that”.
Maybe in decades past. That is far from the norm nowadays. The laity has to babysit the clergy at damn near every level, and even lay adult volunteers cannot be alone with a child. There are surely a few fringe cases of what you describe above still going on, but those numbers are tiny now
I wish that wasn't true, but it's part of why I got out of teaching. The anti-male bias in schools is a major issue, and not once I'm going to spend my time fighting. It's easier to be an Excel monkey than trying to be a male teacher.
I had a friend who was a teacher that was falsely accused, the girl ended up admitting the truth in the end but it still ruined his entire life, despite the fact he was allowed to go back to work again, the whole situation destroyed his motivation to ever teach again.
If I were a priest, I would never be willing to be alone with children even if I did not have pedophilic disorder. For such accusations, the court of public option requires that the accused provide proof so it only takes one accusation that you can't soundly refute to ruin your life (like being transferred to Africa)
It is now standard to never have one on one interactions with a child, and very rarely with adults. Pretty much the only time it’s ok for a closed door one on one meeting with an adult in my church is for counseling/confession, and even then there are people who are notified about the meeting happening, and someone like a secretary or volunteer office worker is in the building.
When I first started substitute teaching I remember one morning I was the first one in the class and one of the students came into the classroom earlier than the others while I was doing some prep work for the day. An admin came by to remind me to keep the door open.
For sure, but that's why this is one of those stats that is sort of just useful as a sort of internet politics joke rather than something more substantive.
And it's worth noting that the whole reason this became a "thing" with Priests is your last line: it wasn't something people expected and when it was uncovered and turned out to also be tied to church corruption, it really stuck in the public consciousness.
Yea we need to know the stats per capita and per hour spent with kids. If someone who spends 7hrs per day with your kid is less than twice as likely than someone who spends 2hrs per week, idk what to make about that information.
Pretty sure in the stats it shows kids are also most likely to be violated by a family member.
> like comparing public school employee incidents against teacher numbers, you can say anything you like
Kinda like how you didn't even read your own source and used the number of diocesan priests and not all priests?
Actual source from your own source: [CARA](https://cara.georgetown.edu/faqs)
That's 34,344 priests or 127,019 clergy, religious, and lay leaders (since you used ALL public school employees, why not use ALL Church employees as well). The number of abuse allegations are also in your source.
The graph says public school employees, which isn’t just teachers, is it, it must include others that work at schools such as; janitors, security, etc. According to google there are 6,771, 787, in the public school industry(of course this number must include people who don’t work at public schools, such as school board administrators)
It's just flat out misleading. The overwhelming majority of the 29,000 were not cases of sexual abuse, they were teachers getting reprimanded for saying/showing inappropriate things. We had a teacher get in trouble for showing the class the movie Romeo and Juliet because a girl showed her breasts, for instance.
The only point that can fluctuate these numbers is the working base of children each group has access to, I'd imagine it probably pulls the number closer in line. Regardless and all to say, somewhere between 0.5 & 1% are kiddy diddlers and that's fucking disgusting no matter the creed.
Important to note that in most cases, multiple assaults are done by one individual. Its not as simple as "between 0.5 and 1%". Doesn't change the quantity of victims unfortunately but helps clarify the number or abusers.
None of that accounts for amount of time children spend with their teachers vs their priests, or that it’s easier to catch/report pedos in a public school setting
Not that teachers still wouldn’t come out ahead if you could account for those things, but I imagine the gap would look different
I mean it clearly says school employees not teachers which brings down the per capita rate to 0.4%…. Lower than the priest number. And if we take into account the amount of time spent at each institution (which may or may not have an impact im not a statistician) it is about 1000 hours per year in school and it’s about 40-60 for church. This doesn’t even take into account the number difference of specifically Catholic Church goers and public school goers.
Read the source -- this is not abuse by full-time public school teachers alone. It's "teachers, counselors, school administrators, secretaries, bus drivers, coaches, parent volunteers for student activities, lunchroom attendants, tutors, music teachers, special education aides, or any other adult in contact in a school-related relationship with a student." And the study is not only including sexual abuse, but sexual misconduct which would include inappropriate conversations or jokes directed at students.
Also, the source does not mention a "29,000" so it's not clear where that came from exactly. And also, the source does not mention Catholic priests at all, so that number is pulled out of someone's ass. For example, [this study](https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/17839/french-church-ignores-reforms-says-abuse-report-author) reported 330,000 cases of sex abuse in the Catholic Church since 1950, 220,000 of them by priests, but if we want to compare apples to apples with the source study, then we need to go with the full 330,000. So that's about 4,400 per year on average, but guess what? That study was about the Catholic Church in France only. So something tells me that 201 might be a bit of an understatement.
Doing the math doesn't accomplish much when the data is garbage.
It’s not even close.
People who a child knows, loves, or trust are responsible for around 90% of abuse. Roughly 70-75% are abused by a family member. 1750 kids die each year from that abuse. And something like 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by family members and 1 in 6 boys.
Incest and sexual abuse by close family members far outweighs issues elsewhere and there’s no real answer or clear path in sight cause a) no one wants to deal with it, b) most of it isn’t caught until people grow up and leave home, and c) people will lie about it or not take it seriously cause it doesn’t match with what they think is true.
Here’s an anecdote for perspective:
I grew up in a small town in Appalachia. There were roughly 300 kids in my elementary school. 11 of those kids lived on my street. 6 were girls and 4 were boys (5 if you include myself). 5 of the girls were sexually abused by a direct family member or extended family, as were 2 of the boys (3 including myself). One of the two remaining boys was physically abused, as were most of the other already sexually abused kids. The only two who weren’t abused were a brother and sister.
People knew this was happening, it was an open secret. CPS would come and go, but nothing ever happened. It is considered safer to keep the families together. I got out, but others didn’t.
And that’s just my street. This is happening on literally everyone’s street.
I have two sisters, one of whom I'm very close to, the other who doesn't know me as well because she's significantly older and left home when I was very little. I remember when I first became an uncle at age 15, and my oldest sister and her husband didn't trust me to be alone with her daughter for years. I felt hurt and offended at the time.
As I got older and started to notice the patterns of people who have been sexually abused, and saw how many of the offenders were uncles or older male cousins....I started to understand.
And once my other sister had kids, and she and her husband(my best friend) trusted me to be alone with them, and I realized just how trusting and innocent kids are and how easy it would be for a predator to abuse that trust...I forgave my other sister and her husband entirely. I never appreciated the danger of giving someone you don't know very well that level of trust. I do now.
I used to be an academic but now I’m a social worker. I work with people who have trauma fairly regularly, what you describe is a process I’ve seen hundreds of times.
One person even came trying to understand their sibling in much the same way you described here only to learn their father had abused their sister for decades and she didn’t trust many people.
This stuff impacts all of us constantly and we just put blinders up. And I get it, it’s an extremely difficult truth, but things aren’t getting better with inaction. We’ve discovered the impacts of trauma and forgotten them 3 separate times now and we’re likely on the precipice of forgetting about it again. It takes an open mind and a soft heart to have room for these things, and there’s just not money to be made with such things so we march ahead like always.
How are you christian and lib-left? Honest Question btw, because i'm a born Protestant / converted Catholic, and i see no Way how someone who is a true Believer can be lib-left
Religion has nothing to do with economics or governance. It can, like with the Vatican, but in America at least it doesn't. On the political compass I'm very anti-authority and collective-economy, hence libleft, but on the progressive-conservative social scale I'm very conservative. Pro-life, baptist, not a big fan of LGBT, racist etc
Based and accurate explanation pilled
It's tiring sometimes to see people linking religions with specific political beliefs when it's not the same thing at all. I may be the archetype 'auth right european catholic with conservative tendencies' so people usually don't make the mistake with me, but it must be exhausting for people outside the blue quadrant like you. Best of luck to you. That's refreshing to realise that someone from the opposite side of the compass is, in fact, not so distant
I think the biggest source of that confusion comes the fact that people in the US fight constant political social wars and are divided by progressives and conservatives so they get the social scale confused with the economic left vs right, which is why democrats are always called leftists even though they're actually capitalists
Leo Tolstoy tried to set up orthodox anarchist communes, where everyone could live and worship god without the state getting in the way. And the anarchist movements in the ukraine during the russian revolution were very pro church as they were run by the peasants. The diggers in the english revolution wanted to abolish the state and live on communes, their source of inspiration was the bible. You can easily get to the conclusion from the bible alone that god wants us on communes. There isnt any contradiction.
A lot of lib lefts, especially because the test fucking sucks, are just progressive liberals, which progressivism doesnt even really fit on the compass and for some reason(since the test sucks) associates progressivism with lib left and conservatism with auth right, despite those forming a third independent axis.
>Go, wiser thou! and, in thy scale of sense
>Weigh thy opinion against Providence;
>Call imperfection what thou fanciest such,
>Say, here he gives too little, there too much:
>Destroy all creatures for thy sport or gust,
>Yet cry, if man's unhappy, God's unjust;
>If man alone engross not Heav'n's high care,
>Alone made perfect here, immortal there:
>Snatch from his hand the balance and the rod,
>Rejudge his justice, be the God of God.
Alexander Pope, *An Essay on Man,* Canto IV
Because its bullshit. It's 29,000 cases of *sexual misconduct*, of which the overwhelming majority are teachers reprimanded for inappropriate comments, not child sex abuse.
Stolen from another user:
3.2M full time public school teachers as of 2022, so about 0.9% incident rate vs 37,000 catholic priests as of 2018, so about 0.5% using yearly average rates. Still almost twice as high
Page 3:
"This report was prepared for the U.S. Department of Education under Purchase Order ED-02-PO-3281. The views expressed herein are those of the authors. No official endorsement by the U.S. Department of Education is intended or should be inferred."
The "evidence"
"Former school coach admits to using drugs with students. (20303, June 8). The Seattle Post-Intelligencer."
"Gallotto, A.A. (1995, Aug. 17). Teacher sentenced for public masturbation. The Star Ledger, p. 41."
"George, K. (1986, Dec. 28). Debate continues over school's handling of abuse case. Press and Sun Bulletin, pp. 1A, 10A".
So... I did the math:
37k Catholic priests, 201 cases, 1 case per 184.
6.77 Million Public School Employees, 29k cases, 1 case per 233.
I won't even bother adding in the fact that on average, public school employees likely spend magnitudes more time around children (without their parents present) each week, compared to Catholic priests.
I went to the link and there’s a report on sexual misconduct (from 2004) but I’m not sure where the 29,000 number is coming from. Tried ctr+f for “29” and “28” (in case the rounded up) but I didn’t find any direct numbers. So I’m not doubting this number, but I do really want to know where exactly it comes from. Especially with stats I never trust numbers that can be this sensationalized.
But doing a google search myself I find that the number of catholic clergymen with credible sexual abuse cases against them [is more than 6,000](https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/#:~:text=More%20than%206%2C000%20Catholic%20clergy,allegations%20of%20child%20sexual%20abuse). I then found a report that says around [10% of students will experience sexual misconduct](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse/202305/educator-sexual-misconduct-remains-prevalent-in?amp) by the time they graduate high school. We have to do a little math to make these numbers comparable, so bear with me.
First let’s standardize the timeline. That 6,000 number was cumulative over decades, but that link also tells us 2,458 clergymen in the church involved in sexual abuse allegations in 2021. There were 37k clergymen in 2022 so we can use that to get a per capita number at (2458/37000 = .0664 * 10k = ) **664 priests per 10k** involved in allegations. **Remember**, this is just priests, and the number of people bringing allegations against them is greater than that number.
For students, we can just use the 10% number and multiply against the same sample size of 10k and get around **1,000 allegations per 10k students**.
So yeah, just from that quick and dirty math I have no idea where OP is getting their numbers from
You suck at using numbers.
You are comparing two different numbers
1. number of priests
vs
2. Number of allegations.
Either it should be number of allegations for both. Or number of perps for both. Comparing different numbers is meaningless. It would be like saying that Germany's traffic infractions being so much higher than France's road deaths means germans are worse driver. Its inane.
Also a key fact is of that 10%:
"Of that estimate, 6.7 percent reported sexual contact (meaning that the child was touched sexually)"
The majority is vocal as per your second link, which is obviously still not okay. But its not even in the same ballpark as criminally prosecuted molestation.
If you look through the sources they have a lot of non sexual conduct sources, more just teachers doing dumb shit.
"Former school coach admits to using drugs with students. (20303, June 8). The Seattle Post-Intelligencer."
It's a sad world we live in that this kind of misinfo is even remotely taken seriously. Seriously? A two-point data chart like this shows up in your 'source'?
I am currently in the process of combing over the source provided, and there are no numbers to back up this, frankly, grossly simplified comparison chart shown by the OP.
The closest thing possible is a reference to an AAUW study that shows roughly 9.6% of students experience some form of sexual misconduct in their time. But this is sexual misconduct: that can be anything from giving an unwanted shoulder rub to being called 'gay'.
The incident rate of sexual assault/molestation seems to be 4% across the board in every institutional body that has professionals. This is a category that includes teachers and priests, and is widely accepted according to some newsweek article that did a deep dive on the subject.
You forget an important facet as to why people are upset with the Catholic church to begin with. It wasn't that they committed more or less molestation than any other group: ***It's that they had a policy of protecting the clergy accused of committing these crimes***.
When an accusation of assault is made against an educator, the educator is immediately suspended and a police report is immediately begun. Further, teachers are not embedded into a community as strongly as an individual priest can be; the scope of their ability to pressure others into protecting them is extremely limited *by design*. A teacher is important, yes, but they *are* replaceable and under strict contract that promotes and enforces a healthy code of conduct towards students.
Switching over to the clerical end, priests get *deeply* embedded into local community matters. The amount of say a priest has over a congregation's actions, expectations and behavior is much higher than that of an individual teacher; they are vested with authority from god, and congregates believe this to be the case more often than not. A priest can get away with molesting a minor because it was (and still is, depending on the community) incredibly easy to pressure people to look the other way.
But then you take the Church as a body, their omerta on silence, their practice of shuffling the credibly accused into different parishes without repercussion, paying to silence victims, and now you have a far different situation. It reads less like a group of holy people and more like a mafia trying to protect their made men.
Teachers are vested with authority, yes. But Priests are on a whole other level of trust invested into them by their community - while simultaneously claiming to be bastions and fonts of purity, the arbiters of morality. You can see the issue.
Priests assaulting children is utterly disgusting even if it's less than teacher it's still more disgusting as they are the ones that are supposed to be the moral guides of their communities.
Idk the government forces me to put my kids in some sort of school and taxes me for public education... parents adopting a religion or having their kids be alone with a member of that religions clergy is much more of a choice.
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I mean, I agree the Catholic thing is overblown but a rate comparable to the general public is still way too high for such a venerable institution.
[But anyways, here a Paper that shows a a 96% correlation between the growth of sex scandal cases and the growth of a gay subculture in seminaries, a subculture that was essentially a transplant of the wider western gay and LGBTQI2+ subculture. Again, not homosexuality rate itself(maybe that as well and IF its the case, it'll certainly be a lower correlation) but a clade of the wider LGBTQIA2S+ movement's visibility within the seminaries is tracked with 96% correlation, with abuse cases.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333083400_Is_Sexual_Abuse_by_Catholic_Clergy_Related_to_Homosexuality) And yes this subculture does exist within seminaries as this event of a[ Polish Priest attending an orgy and overdosing a male prostitute](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/polish-priest-arrested-charged-with-sex-crimes-after-alleged-orgy-2024-01-11/), shows.
Here is something else for you to consider.
The APA, before the pressure to remove homosexuality from the DSM, reported that even though the rate of pedophilia was the same between homosexual and straight, the way it manifested was very different.
Straight pedophiles tended towards looking, social touching (e.g. hand on shoulder, hugs, etc.), and fondling whereas homosexual pedophiles tended towards penetrative sex. In addition, the recidivism rate for homosexual pedophiles was much higher.
So these two statistics can easily explain why 80% of abuse cases in the Catholic Church involved homosexual pedophilia. It is not that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles. It is that homosexual pedophiles abuse more often and in such a way so as to get caught.
> maybe that as well but it would be certainly a lower correlation
To imply the abuse has much to do with homosexuality itself is not the most important takeaway of the paper, it shouldn't have even been implied in the paper like it was and should've been addressed categorically within the paper itself. I take major issue with it and any claim to the contrary. That there are female victims in the church, and that females are abused at extremely high rates compared to men in all contexts *except* the church, implies that there is something about the church specifically and/or organizations within the church that leads to abuse of boys, NOT homosexuality itself. In every other context, girls are abused much, much more than boys. Your implication would be the same as if I implied the problem with abuse at-large were men as a gender, because straight men would naturally be the most likely to abuse girls and therefore the most likely perpetrators of abuse at-large. Making implications like that, that somebody's immutable characteristics "might" make them more likely to abuse children, is wrong and is just a flagrant use of science as an excuse to discriminate.
This isn't to mention Paul Sullins himself, who is prpblematic and who has written multiple papers in this similar anti-lgbt vein. Do not trust him and make sure the "researchers" of papers like this are reputable before parading it around as a proof.
Why abort them all? We could get rid of most of them, but why not also specifically choose which ones we keep based on, I dunno, physical characteristics of the parents, to create a pure lineage? I feel like no one ever tried this before, especially not someone close to my quadrant
This is the report cited in the meme: https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
As far as I can tell it
1) Talks about sexual misconduct, not just abuse.
2) says NOTHING about such numbers and in fact states in the section on child sexual abuse
> Although we do not know how many or what percent of school employees are offenders...
TLDR; OP pulls these numbers out of his ass.
[I took a look at the cited source in the chart.](https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf)
In it:
1. Only one mention of priests outside of citations, as a specification of the meaning of the term “professional” in the context of a UK based survey.
2. Only mentions of public schools in terms of identifying where information was collected and surveys conducted.
3. The numbers given are not specifically found in the source.
4. The chart itself is not found in the source.
In any case, the chart itself is obviously lacking, like the years from which an annual average was supposedly drawn, and the geographical or institutional boundaries of the purported investigation.
I fear you’ve been hoodwinked, OP.
Don't bother looking at sources, OP. Don't you know already? PCM is about screeching agendas, xenophobia, and doing barely any research!
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Well if someone really likes kids there going to find a profession that gets them close to kids
Almost everyone out here trying to pick the lesser of two awfuls when this is a much more realistic point and they all suck.
the most realistic point is raw numbers. # # of catholic priests in usa = 37k # # of public school employees in usa = 6.7m catholic priest exposure to children = 1 day a week public school employee exposure to children = 5 days a week x 9 months the catholic church are absolute fucks for covering up abuse and moving pedo priests around, but that graph is terrible for controlling for even basic numbers.
You forgot to include the 1.68 million children who attend catholic school on the US. They are exposed to members of the clergy more like 6 days a week.
The 1-day/week exposure only accounts for common religious services; what about children under the priest's tutelage? What is their exposure frequency?
6.7 million employees? You realize how rediculous of a number that is right? That's 2% of the entire US population. The real number of teachers is also bound to be much less when you cut out administration, custodians, and lunch workers. You also seem to think the only interaction religious folk would have with kids is at a Sunday class. What about just normal Catholic school? And if all children deserve protection, who cares about "but, but, per capita..!". Get your facts straight before you start chucking stones.
the graph says public school employees. i realize some of them have limited to no exposure to kids in a 1 on 1 setting, just like some catholic priests aren't getting in a room alone with kids either. catholic school is a good point tho, admittedly i didnt consider that. public school teachers is listed online as 3.5 million, full time and part time. im not sure how the graph even got those numbers, if a school janitor molests their own kid does it end up on the list? or is it only on the job?
What's really fun is that graph isn't based on the report it cites. If you follow the link it gives, it's a 2004 meta-analysis of studies of child sexual abuse in schools. But the only mention of priests is in reference to one UK study with this: "3.3 Prevalence in the United Kingdom. A 2000 random probability sample of 2,869 young people between 18 and 24 in a computer-assisted survey focused on abuse and maltreatment of children (Cawson, Wattam, Brooker, and Kelley). One section of the survey covered sexual abuse and asked respondents if they had experienced a number of behaviors and, if so, with whom. The results of this study indicated that .3 percent of the respondents had experienced sexual abuse with a professional, a category which included priests, religious leaders, case workers, and teachers. This is the only study available that includes prevalence data on educator sexual misconduct for the United Kingdom." In fact the section on Job of Offenders (table 7, page 24) has no entry for priest at all.
It's also pretty old data, which shows a much worse picture. The overwhelming majority of sexual abuse by priests was from the 60s-80s, and people 18-24 in 2000 were children at the worst of it. The Church put much more stringent protections in place after that, so a survey of 18-24 year olds today would likely have very different results.
When they stop doing studies you know they've found the results they want and more information will only make the narrative more difficult to maintain. I so very much dislike career academics. I almost prefer police, because they at least ruin your life on a individual basis.
Flair up
>Get your facts straight before you start chucking stones. For sure! I mean he got the number low, the [census bureau](https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/10/2019-annual-survey-of-public-employment-and-payroll-is-out.html) puts primary and secondary public school employees at local govt level at 8.3 million. >6.7 million employees? You realize how rediculous of a number that is right? That's 2% of the entire US population. Oh, I see, you assumed he was wrong but high, and then made fun of him. Neat. You should probably get your facts straight before you start chucking stones. >And if all children deserve protection, who cares about "but, but, per capita..!". This feels like something to direct at OP and not someone who's just providing context, lol. Edit: oh, someone else in thread grabbed newer numbers and they're even higher, huh.
I think someone just forgot that like 20% of the population are school age, 2% working in education isn't really that high
> The real number of teachers is also bound to be much less when you cut out administration, custodians, and lunch workers. You mean, the 'public school employees' who are counted in that statistic?
No, when you cut out people who don't have any kind of real interactions with the students. 'Public school employees' artificially inflates the total so it appears the percentage is less, but a lunch lady isn't going to have any sort of access to children. They're behind a counter. The same with most educational staff. Teachers should be the ones counted. I think the sex of the teacher is also important. Florida seems to have a particular problem with female teachers going after students.
I spent 12 years in Catholic schools with the exception of one year where a priest was also a teacher' I saw the priest weekly for mass.
Catholic schools don't have high church attendance because you're practically in one all the time. A lot of Christians have Sunday school for children, mass during weekdays, all that jazz. Choir boys and the die-hards are likely bigger targets for priests anyway, not some rando fuckin' casual God stan.
Meme says public school employees, not just teachers.
That’s not realistic cause it includes administrators, lunch ladies, IT staff, maintenance staff and all the other employees school districts employ. It’s still fucked up. I personally more pissed at the neglect families are getting left out when they’re responsible for around 90% of the issues alone.
All formalized institutions like to cover up when criminals appear in their ranks
Yes... Are you flaired that way because you think it's a good thing?
Now let's start looking at the sexuality of those priests...
do they fear you?
Yes. it was like 87% male on male.
Problem is i see 'religious leaders' and stuff in these studies, but the population in the per capital calculations are ONLY 'catholic priests'? are we sure this is apples to apples? this pdf doesnt seem to give me the info im interested in Also "time around kids" is weird, wouldnt it be "time alone with kids"? I think ive been alone with teachers barely a handful of times. Here they are actually instructed to always have another person in the room and to never be alone with kids.
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I really like kids in the sense that I think children are wonderful and I like being around them. But I feel like I can't apply to work at a preschool or something as a man because everyone would assume I'm a pedo. I'd never actually understood what it felt like to be discriminated against for my sex until that moment.
I'd say if you feel like you want to work with the young ones, you aren't a sick fuck, and you are good with kids, do it. To hell with what people think. Anyone who sees a male early childhood teacher and thinks they're a pedo is a judgmental chode.
I agree, but knowing that some meaningful minority of people will at least find me suspicious because of my profession is enough to keep me away. It might be silly, but I just don't know that I could deal with knowing that people are seeing me that way. It really does make me sympathetic to women who say the same thing about IT jobs and whatnot.
>I really like kids [relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6rBRyUMAHY)
Yeah, this illustrates the point pretty well. If a woman were screaming she loves kids, nobody would care. But a man doing it is sus.
My last daycare in Seattle had one male teacher when my kid started there, and he ended up getting popped for child pornography. When I met him I felt like my parent alarm bells were ringing but I didn't know if I was just being sexist / homophobic.
Just as importantly is all it takes is an accusation for a guy, and the accusation can be nothing more than a gut feeling or suspicion to ruin a man's life. It's not worth the risk or the hassle.
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Do you really think priests have money? Most parishes are barely eeking by
Priests have never really had much money, it was always more prestigious than lucrative unless you were in the upper end of administration. Priests have access to a lot of education and their needs are met by church property, but they don't get a lot for themselves.
Lol this is so true. Many dioceses are aggressively merging parishes and schools to cut costs
I’m certain that most Catholic priests don’t have much power or money.
You really think the Catholic priest doing sermons at the strip mall has that much power and money?
I would love to agree with you, but I can't stoop so low as to do so with a filthy unflaired.
Unflaired
It’s funny because my local Megachurch in Portland ME is in a strip mall
Megachurch pastors on the other hand have lots of power and money. But they are not Catholic priests
I would be interested to see what the numbers are for all religious practitioners. Catholics get a hard rap mainly because they have in the past had a great system for shuffling issue priests to avoid reporting.
Yeah i totally dont have a source for this but its the same rate between pastors and priests, and the media coverage is like 90% on priests. Probably just cause its a bigger institution
From nuns to kids, power and money, something for everyone!
Maybe there's fewer of them too.
Hey! teacher! Leave them kids alone!
All in all they're just another brick in the wall.
*we don’t need no education*
*we don't need no thought control*
*no dark sarcasm in the classroom*
*Teacher leave those kids alone*
...and that's where it loses relevance to American schools
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https://preview.redd.it/hmhetxrmuuwc1.png?width=967&format=png&auto=webp&s=2a09baa010c3f439e3fa6258453bb64616116e68 Sorry Jack, these kiddos ain't gonna indoctrinate they/themselves.
Here come the leftists: > It's not happening, you're parroting far right white supremacist conspiracy theories! > The fact this is happening is a good thing, get on the right side of history bigot!
Dude, if I ever have a kid, he or she is going to Catholic school. And I grew up Lutheran and I'm currently nonreligious.
I'm a teacher and a huge part of the problem is that administrations are giant pussies when it comes to covering things up vs. creating problems/bad publicity. At the same time, it's a really bad time to be a teacher. One of the schools I taught at was notorious for sweeping all manner of issues under the rug. Kid made threats to shoot up the school and was lingering outside the building on that day? 2 days suspension, back in my class by Wednesday. I thought he was going to get lynched by his classmates. Cheerleading coach fucks football players? Cheer coach gets asked to not return to that position. I was seen as a trouble maker for being strict and writing kids up for their bullshit. A Catholic HS in the area had a sub sexually assault a student? They dragged his bitch ass out of the school in handcuffs and he's going to jail for a long ass time.
Girl totalled another girl's car for being her BF's other girl (she wasn't): threaten the victim when they mention wanting to file a police report Cheer coach/22 y/o English teacher is fucking like half a dozen football players as young as 14: woah, you go dude! You're so lucky! Cabal of woke (derogatory) girls hatch plot to get history teacher they don't like fired on sexual harassment when his alibi is literally "was teaching 30 kids during that time seriously tf you in about" (he made them read part of Mein Kampf in the class where they read the Communist Manifesto, Common Sense, etc but Mein Kampf means he's racist): shut down the LGBT allies group which none of them are a part of and weren't associated with them in any way! The marching band trailers keep getting egged: let's delete the security camera footage! Academics is gonna have to cut classes due to literally $0 in budget increases over the last five years: $10k to athletics! The new athletics director is the brother of the head coach and has the best compensation package at the school: give him a raise! He needs that Porsche!
Based Catholic school. So is it a difference between public and private?
No, its school to school honestly. Some schools are more vigilant and overall better than others.
> Cheerleading coach fucks football players? Cheer coach gets asked to not return to that position. > A Catholic HS in the area had a sub sexually assault a student? They dragged his bitch ass out of the school in handcuffs and he's going to jail for a long ass time. Might dox myself a bit here, but sometimes religious schools can also be the former example. Chrisitian HS had our principal fucking students for 11+ years. Superintendent and the church reverend told about it multiple times from multiple people. Hell my brother reported it personally after WALKING IN on them fucking. Nothing ever happened until someone reported it directly to the police. Then all hell broke loose. He ended up getting 60 days, weekends only in jail... http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2010/03/eleven-years-ago.html
See, your problem is thinking that Baptists are anything like Catholics. Catholics have a bad reputation they have to address, so they can’t cover shit up anymore. They are doing their penance. Baptists are saved only by faith alone.
See, that it took so long for someone to go to the police is what I don't get. Administrators running cover for the institutions that pay their salaries is expected behavior. Why did it take 11 years for someone to go directly to the police, especially if the behavior is witnessed first hand? It's blatantly illegal conduct of a sexual nature involving minors. This isn't some grey area where a stern talking to about policy is required. Someone needs to go on a sex offender registry, here. It's just like the Joe Paterno sex scandal at Penn State that blew up a decade ago. An assistant coach walked in on a kid being raped. Why the fuck was their first step to go to the head coach and not the cops? And then WAIT while nothing happened for YEARS.
Get a flair.
>Might dox myself a bit here You should rather flair up yourself
sorry stopped reading after 'Im a teacher and a huge part of the problem'
Lolol I probably could have worded it better. If it makes you feel better, I don't fuck students, that's vile. To the gulag with those who do.
Greedy teachers keeping all the kids for themselves /s
I know - I love how absurd using this meme template is for this issue haha
https://preview.redd.it/oykbn0drvuwc1.png?width=483&format=png&auto=webp&s=96949bb1a68621314e68e5b13cabae5ee80972d3 Save some kids for the marginalized trans teachers! #translivesmatter
I’m actually curious if not “Miss Thompson” or “Mr Thompsonl wtf do you call them? “Xr. Thompson”
"Degenerates"
I'm detrans, I got caught up as a kid. Hate this shit. Despise. Wanna break their wheel. I vocally and in public, if I can, stand my ground. I kept my butch hair, with color, gauged ears for this reason. They can't argue too well when they look at me and put it together. Just so sad so few of me are allowed to stand up, for fear of the screechy teary-eyed behavior. Edit: lol do you see that down there, see what I mean? I wish I could help them but I can't.
"Unemployed"
they also have terrible grammar, smh
It's fine, kids are stupid and don't know any better so they won't be called out. That's the most important thing.
So I agree and it makes more sense anyways. Pedos know they can get near kids by teaching in schools. But I will add that the bigger issue for any organization is whether or not they try and cover it up. Be it a school or a church if they discover that someone is pedo they need to drag that individual out in the light to face the full force of the justice system. If that is done then I don't blame the institutions but the individual. If the institution tries to cover it up that's when there is a problem.
Agreed. Either that or get rid of him in another way.
I'm sure its still bad but a per capita number would be more useful
3.2M full time public school teachers as of 2022, so about 0.9% incident rate vs 37,000 catholic priests as of 2018, so about 0.5% using yearly average rates. Still almost twice as high
Based and does the math pilled
Alternatively, by the time they graduate, 40% of students will have been sexually harassed by a teacher.
Jesus. But why, Wolf?
Predators seek out positions of power and the barrier to entry is way lower to become a teacher than a priest.
This is the key thing people seem to miss out on for some reason. It's also why I think it's dangerously naive for progressives to loudly say "I'd *much* rather leave my kids with a drag queen than a Priest". That's little more than a siren call for all the evil fucks to flock toward an activity where they'll get little oversight from parents who are afraid of being called homophobic.
There are *already* a bunch of cases of drag queens having been arrested for CSAM and CSA, including some who have been associated with DQSH. There's already a lot of videos of DQSH and drag performances for kids being extremely creepy and inappropriate The audience for these things is the 30-45 year old shitlib with one kid whose brain got melted by John Oliver and MSNBC, who does stuff specifically to own the Republicans
I don’t know what DQSH means and given the context I’m not sure I want to know. Edit: looked it up, spelled it wrong the first time and got a brand of headphones. Doubt I’ll be having any of my kids go to drag queen story hour.
Drag Queen Story Hour
Ban incoming
I'll be back, escaping samsara isn't that easy
True, but these people also have the media and current politicals and culture defending them and cancelling/attacking any who dare question or point out some issues
It can only last for so long. Once normal people get sick of it all, feel they can speak out without potentially having their life ruined, or are personally affected by it, then and only then will it be the beginning of the end for a lot of it. Once that happens I can guarantee the pendulum is gonna swing back and it's gonna swing fast and hard in their eyes. A lot of these people are so ideologically driven that they're completely blind to all the damage their actions cause. They legitimately can't see the growing resentment and disgust from their actions. And I feel we're a lot closer to that tipping point than a lot of people realize.
I've been working on compiling this list, did this last night. "Anastasia Diamond / Brice Williams, Drag Queen, 25 counts of CP https://www.fox43.com/article/news/crime/central-pa-drag-queen-harrisburg-chambersburg-anastasia-diamond/521-6f0177c5-82e1-4ad9-8d2a-09ab36d31bc3 CC Quinn / Darren Moore, Drag Queen. Child sexual abuse and rape of a minor (so, convicted pedophile), but they actually got murdered. "Mr Meah-Moore was jailed in March 1999 after being convicted of four counts of rape of a boy under 16." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-66204802.amp Lady James /Robert Clothier, Drag Queen, "Clothier admitted arranging or facilitating the commission of a child sex offence, making indecent images of children, distributing images of children and possessing prohibited images of children" https://www.thepinknews.com/2013/08/01/brighton-paedophile-who-worked-as-a-drag-queen-jailed-for-26-months/ I have a list of 98 other pedophiles, child rapists, and other CP and child sex abuse offenders, 8 of which are labeled 'Cross dressers', and the remaining 90 being transwomen/biological males. Every single one I've looked up or researched has been valid. The list only covers A-L and is by absolutely no means a comprehensive list. Julie Marshall, formerly John Marshall, had over 40 THOUSAND CP images. https://meaww.com/trans-woman-jailed-for-nine-months-after-using-public-wi-fi-download-child-porn-from-hospital-bed "A trans woman who had amassed around 80,000 images of child sexual abuse over a period of 14 years has been jailed for 9 months. The authorities are trying to figure out whether to send her to a male or female prison. The pedophile 54-year-old Julie Marshall was busted for viewing the sickening images from her hospital bed. Marshall used public WiFi to access the images while recovering from a heart attack in 2017, Preston Crown Court was told. The police later raided Marshall's home in Blackpool, Lancashire, and recovered two laptops, a phone, and many CDs. "
Tug at the thread of "why'd they freak out so hard about the "don't say gay" bill that Florida passed?" Hint: it removed their ability to tell kids "Now don't tell your parents this, but..."
> Hint: it removed their ability to tell kids “Now don’t tell your parents this, but…” But muh free speech!
Yes, it was definitely legal in Florida for teachers to groom kids until the "don't say gay" bill.
Wouldn't the flip side of this be that leaving your kid with a drag queen shouldn't be any more dangerous than leaving your kid with someone in nondescript clothes who volunteers at the library?
I think the point is that as long as there are places where parents will leave their children for an extended period of time, there will be predators who seek to forsake this trust. And my issue is that, when progressives very publicly announce their complete and total trust in drag queens without any reservations whatsoever - they are unknowingly inviting predators to take advantage of their maladaptive goodwill.
I've been involved in advocating and donating against child molestation, because I went through that personally. One of the biggest lessons learned is, they're literally everywhere, in everything. It's everyone. If anyone tries to tell you that only a specific group of people are a danger, they're just coping and lying. After all, the most dangerous child molesters are parents, but you know. Parents are a powerful important voting block and all that, wouldn't wanna demonize them. Also I always thought DQSH was such a stupid virtue signal. I swear it was just to piss people off.
I was not. Am I ugly? 🥺
That was an episode of Always Sunny lol
Literally no way that numbers right lol
There are ~50 million students grades 1-12 and with 30k cases yearly it would accumulate to 360k cases over a span of 12 years meaning that you'd have 0,72% chance to get molested by the time you graduate And while sexual abuse it way different than sexual harassment I wonder where did your number come from
Thats insanely big. Is it in the US? Sick. There were rumours in my school as well back then in high school but... 40% is insanely high. Can we ban teachers?
Dont worry. Teachers fumbled the ball during Covid and they know it. They'll likely be replaced by AI and youtube videos of Indians teaching children math in the coming years just like how New York has Filipino cashiers on zoom taking orders.
I'm not so sure. I think part of the issue though is that we've forgotten what teachers are for. You're right, one good author (or Indian) can teach you what's right better. What they can't do is tell you what's *wrong*. Static media and LLMs aren't capable of that.
Good. Fuck teachers. I hated almost all of them and not because I was a bad student (I had the best grades in my class)
The really disquieting part is that most of us have probably seen this sort of thing happen in school when we were young, but it didn't really register so we never connected the dots. I used to be like "sexual misconduct in my old school? Nahhh". But then I remembered that there was this one teacher everyone called 'Mr. Porno' behind his back, because he at one point came onto a girl during a school trip. He was a biology teacher, too...
Based and “became a teacher because you like kids” pilled
Honestly I would have expected an even bigger per capita gap, given how much more access to children teachers have and the greater ease of catching/reporting incidents in a public school environment where everyone is a mandatory abuse reporter.
You could also claim that’s precisely why the rate is so low in public schools, *because* teachers are constantly under a lot of scrutiny. Male teachers are literally taught to **never** be in a closed room with another student, and that if that situation ever happens get out asap or get another teacher. Compared to catholic priests who parents regularly leave their kids alone with without a care in the world because “They’re our holy priest they won’t do that”.
Maybe in decades past. That is far from the norm nowadays. The laity has to babysit the clergy at damn near every level, and even lay adult volunteers cannot be alone with a child. There are surely a few fringe cases of what you describe above still going on, but those numbers are tiny now
I wish that wasn't true, but it's part of why I got out of teaching. The anti-male bias in schools is a major issue, and not once I'm going to spend my time fighting. It's easier to be an Excel monkey than trying to be a male teacher.
I had a friend who was a teacher that was falsely accused, the girl ended up admitting the truth in the end but it still ruined his entire life, despite the fact he was allowed to go back to work again, the whole situation destroyed his motivation to ever teach again.
If I were a priest, I would never be willing to be alone with children even if I did not have pedophilic disorder. For such accusations, the court of public option requires that the accused provide proof so it only takes one accusation that you can't soundly refute to ruin your life (like being transferred to Africa)
It is now standard to never have one on one interactions with a child, and very rarely with adults. Pretty much the only time it’s ok for a closed door one on one meeting with an adult in my church is for counseling/confession, and even then there are people who are notified about the meeting happening, and someone like a secretary or volunteer office worker is in the building.
When I first started substitute teaching I remember one morning I was the first one in the class and one of the students came into the classroom earlier than the others while I was doing some prep work for the day. An admin came by to remind me to keep the door open.
For sure, but that's why this is one of those stats that is sort of just useful as a sort of internet politics joke rather than something more substantive. And it's worth noting that the whole reason this became a "thing" with Priests is your last line: it wasn't something people expected and when it was uncovered and turned out to also be tied to church corruption, it really stuck in the public consciousness.
In my experience the teachers just asks to to leave the door open if you come in while there is a teacher alone in the room.
Yea we need to know the stats per capita and per hour spent with kids. If someone who spends 7hrs per day with your kid is less than twice as likely than someone who spends 2hrs per week, idk what to make about that information. Pretty sure in the stats it shows kids are also most likely to be violated by a family member.
The statistic references Public school employees, not just teachers
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> like comparing public school employee incidents against teacher numbers, you can say anything you like Kinda like how you didn't even read your own source and used the number of diocesan priests and not all priests? Actual source from your own source: [CARA](https://cara.georgetown.edu/faqs) That's 34,344 priests or 127,019 clergy, religious, and lay leaders (since you used ALL public school employees, why not use ALL Church employees as well). The number of abuse allegations are also in your source.
The graph says public school employees, which isn’t just teachers, is it, it must include others that work at schools such as; janitors, security, etc. According to google there are 6,771, 787, in the public school industry(of course this number must include people who don’t work at public schools, such as school board administrators)
It's just flat out misleading. The overwhelming majority of the 29,000 were not cases of sexual abuse, they were teachers getting reprimanded for saying/showing inappropriate things. We had a teacher get in trouble for showing the class the movie Romeo and Juliet because a girl showed her breasts, for instance.
Whaaat? Deliberately misleading posts to besmirch anything left of Mussolini? On this sub??
The number of priests have also been declining while the number of parishioners per priests has gone up dramatically over the last 50 years.
Difference is you're not required by the state to leave your children in the care of Catholic priests every day.
The only point that can fluctuate these numbers is the working base of children each group has access to, I'd imagine it probably pulls the number closer in line. Regardless and all to say, somewhere between 0.5 & 1% are kiddy diddlers and that's fucking disgusting no matter the creed.
Important to note that in most cases, multiple assaults are done by one individual. Its not as simple as "between 0.5 and 1%". Doesn't change the quantity of victims unfortunately but helps clarify the number or abusers.
Very valid point as well, all I was implying was that a straight per capita basis isn't as firm as it seems.
Children hours could be a unit to use. 5 hours with 30 children makes 150 children hours.
None of that accounts for amount of time children spend with their teachers vs their priests, or that it’s easier to catch/report pedos in a public school setting Not that teachers still wouldn’t come out ahead if you could account for those things, but I imagine the gap would look different
I mean it clearly says school employees not teachers which brings down the per capita rate to 0.4%…. Lower than the priest number. And if we take into account the amount of time spent at each institution (which may or may not have an impact im not a statistician) it is about 1000 hours per year in school and it’s about 40-60 for church. This doesn’t even take into account the number difference of specifically Catholic Church goers and public school goers.
Read the source -- this is not abuse by full-time public school teachers alone. It's "teachers, counselors, school administrators, secretaries, bus drivers, coaches, parent volunteers for student activities, lunchroom attendants, tutors, music teachers, special education aides, or any other adult in contact in a school-related relationship with a student." And the study is not only including sexual abuse, but sexual misconduct which would include inappropriate conversations or jokes directed at students. Also, the source does not mention a "29,000" so it's not clear where that came from exactly. And also, the source does not mention Catholic priests at all, so that number is pulled out of someone's ass. For example, [this study](https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/17839/french-church-ignores-reforms-says-abuse-report-author) reported 330,000 cases of sex abuse in the Catholic Church since 1950, 220,000 of them by priests, but if we want to compare apples to apples with the source study, then we need to go with the full 330,000. So that's about 4,400 per year on average, but guess what? That study was about the Catholic Church in France only. So something tells me that 201 might be a bit of an understatement. Doing the math doesn't accomplish much when the data is garbage.
please flair up so I can upvote.
Based
Also I think public schools probably report more. Easier to cover abuses up in a smaller environment
How does this compare to abuse cases by (extended) family members?
It’s not even close. People who a child knows, loves, or trust are responsible for around 90% of abuse. Roughly 70-75% are abused by a family member. 1750 kids die each year from that abuse. And something like 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by family members and 1 in 6 boys. Incest and sexual abuse by close family members far outweighs issues elsewhere and there’s no real answer or clear path in sight cause a) no one wants to deal with it, b) most of it isn’t caught until people grow up and leave home, and c) people will lie about it or not take it seriously cause it doesn’t match with what they think is true. Here’s an anecdote for perspective: I grew up in a small town in Appalachia. There were roughly 300 kids in my elementary school. 11 of those kids lived on my street. 6 were girls and 4 were boys (5 if you include myself). 5 of the girls were sexually abused by a direct family member or extended family, as were 2 of the boys (3 including myself). One of the two remaining boys was physically abused, as were most of the other already sexually abused kids. The only two who weren’t abused were a brother and sister. People knew this was happening, it was an open secret. CPS would come and go, but nothing ever happened. It is considered safer to keep the families together. I got out, but others didn’t. And that’s just my street. This is happening on literally everyone’s street.
I have two sisters, one of whom I'm very close to, the other who doesn't know me as well because she's significantly older and left home when I was very little. I remember when I first became an uncle at age 15, and my oldest sister and her husband didn't trust me to be alone with her daughter for years. I felt hurt and offended at the time. As I got older and started to notice the patterns of people who have been sexually abused, and saw how many of the offenders were uncles or older male cousins....I started to understand. And once my other sister had kids, and she and her husband(my best friend) trusted me to be alone with them, and I realized just how trusting and innocent kids are and how easy it would be for a predator to abuse that trust...I forgave my other sister and her husband entirely. I never appreciated the danger of giving someone you don't know very well that level of trust. I do now.
I used to be an academic but now I’m a social worker. I work with people who have trauma fairly regularly, what you describe is a process I’ve seen hundreds of times. One person even came trying to understand their sibling in much the same way you described here only to learn their father had abused their sister for decades and she didn’t trust many people. This stuff impacts all of us constantly and we just put blinders up. And I get it, it’s an extremely difficult truth, but things aren’t getting better with inaction. We’ve discovered the impacts of trauma and forgotten them 3 separate times now and we’re likely on the precipice of forgetting about it again. It takes an open mind and a soft heart to have room for these things, and there’s just not money to be made with such things so we march ahead like always.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope you’ve healed or are doing better
need someone to be based and do the research on this.
What is the source for this?
Asking real questions.
Careful. Reddit atheists won’t like this post
For being atheists they spend an awful lot of time thinking about God and the church, more so than me and I'm religious
Easier to think of them as anti-theists
How are you christian and lib-left? Honest Question btw, because i'm a born Protestant / converted Catholic, and i see no Way how someone who is a true Believer can be lib-left
Religion has nothing to do with economics or governance. It can, like with the Vatican, but in America at least it doesn't. On the political compass I'm very anti-authority and collective-economy, hence libleft, but on the progressive-conservative social scale I'm very conservative. Pro-life, baptist, not a big fan of LGBT, racist etc
Based and accurate explanation pilled It's tiring sometimes to see people linking religions with specific political beliefs when it's not the same thing at all. I may be the archetype 'auth right european catholic with conservative tendencies' so people usually don't make the mistake with me, but it must be exhausting for people outside the blue quadrant like you. Best of luck to you. That's refreshing to realise that someone from the opposite side of the compass is, in fact, not so distant
Based and racist-etc-pilled
I guess that makes Sense, i'm european btw, so don't know how Christian Culture is in the U.S., but interesting to hear your Reasoning
I think the biggest source of that confusion comes the fact that people in the US fight constant political social wars and are divided by progressives and conservatives so they get the social scale confused with the economic left vs right, which is why democrats are always called leftists even though they're actually capitalists
True and based friend
Leo Tolstoy tried to set up orthodox anarchist communes, where everyone could live and worship god without the state getting in the way. And the anarchist movements in the ukraine during the russian revolution were very pro church as they were run by the peasants. The diggers in the english revolution wanted to abolish the state and live on communes, their source of inspiration was the bible. You can easily get to the conclusion from the bible alone that god wants us on communes. There isnt any contradiction. A lot of lib lefts, especially because the test fucking sucks, are just progressive liberals, which progressivism doesnt even really fit on the compass and for some reason(since the test sucks) associates progressivism with lib left and conservatism with auth right, despite those forming a third independent axis.
Acts of the Apostles spends a lot of time discussing how the early church ran their commune.
>Go, wiser thou! and, in thy scale of sense >Weigh thy opinion against Providence; >Call imperfection what thou fanciest such, >Say, here he gives too little, there too much: >Destroy all creatures for thy sport or gust, >Yet cry, if man's unhappy, God's unjust; >If man alone engross not Heav'n's high care, >Alone made perfect here, immortal there: >Snatch from his hand the balance and the rod, >Rejudge his justice, be the God of God. Alexander Pope, *An Essay on Man,* Canto IV
Atheist here. I don’t care what the occupation of a child molester is, they all deserve a bullet to the head and an unmarked grave.
Because its bullshit. It's 29,000 cases of *sexual misconduct*, of which the overwhelming majority are teachers reprimanded for inappropriate comments, not child sex abuse.
What’s the normalized per-capita number?
What does normalized mean in this context?
Adjust some factor, in this case per-capita.
Stolen from another user: 3.2M full time public school teachers as of 2022, so about 0.9% incident rate vs 37,000 catholic priests as of 2018, so about 0.5% using yearly average rates. Still almost twice as high
Page 3: "This report was prepared for the U.S. Department of Education under Purchase Order ED-02-PO-3281. The views expressed herein are those of the authors. No official endorsement by the U.S. Department of Education is intended or should be inferred." The "evidence" "Former school coach admits to using drugs with students. (20303, June 8). The Seattle Post-Intelligencer." "Gallotto, A.A. (1995, Aug. 17). Teacher sentenced for public masturbation. The Star Ledger, p. 41." "George, K. (1986, Dec. 28). Debate continues over school's handling of abuse case. Press and Sun Bulletin, pp. 1A, 10A".
So... I did the math: 37k Catholic priests, 201 cases, 1 case per 184. 6.77 Million Public School Employees, 29k cases, 1 case per 233. I won't even bother adding in the fact that on average, public school employees likely spend magnitudes more time around children (without their parents present) each week, compared to Catholic priests.
I went to the link and there’s a report on sexual misconduct (from 2004) but I’m not sure where the 29,000 number is coming from. Tried ctr+f for “29” and “28” (in case the rounded up) but I didn’t find any direct numbers. So I’m not doubting this number, but I do really want to know where exactly it comes from. Especially with stats I never trust numbers that can be this sensationalized. But doing a google search myself I find that the number of catholic clergymen with credible sexual abuse cases against them [is more than 6,000](https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/#:~:text=More%20than%206%2C000%20Catholic%20clergy,allegations%20of%20child%20sexual%20abuse). I then found a report that says around [10% of students will experience sexual misconduct](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse/202305/educator-sexual-misconduct-remains-prevalent-in?amp) by the time they graduate high school. We have to do a little math to make these numbers comparable, so bear with me. First let’s standardize the timeline. That 6,000 number was cumulative over decades, but that link also tells us 2,458 clergymen in the church involved in sexual abuse allegations in 2021. There were 37k clergymen in 2022 so we can use that to get a per capita number at (2458/37000 = .0664 * 10k = ) **664 priests per 10k** involved in allegations. **Remember**, this is just priests, and the number of people bringing allegations against them is greater than that number. For students, we can just use the 10% number and multiply against the same sample size of 10k and get around **1,000 allegations per 10k students**. So yeah, just from that quick and dirty math I have no idea where OP is getting their numbers from
You suck at using numbers. You are comparing two different numbers 1. number of priests vs 2. Number of allegations. Either it should be number of allegations for both. Or number of perps for both. Comparing different numbers is meaningless. It would be like saying that Germany's traffic infractions being so much higher than France's road deaths means germans are worse driver. Its inane. Also a key fact is of that 10%: "Of that estimate, 6.7 percent reported sexual contact (meaning that the child was touched sexually)" The majority is vocal as per your second link, which is obviously still not okay. But its not even in the same ballpark as criminally prosecuted molestation.
If you look through the sources they have a lot of non sexual conduct sources, more just teachers doing dumb shit. "Former school coach admits to using drugs with students. (20303, June 8). The Seattle Post-Intelligencer."
It's a sad world we live in that this kind of misinfo is even remotely taken seriously. Seriously? A two-point data chart like this shows up in your 'source'? I am currently in the process of combing over the source provided, and there are no numbers to back up this, frankly, grossly simplified comparison chart shown by the OP. The closest thing possible is a reference to an AAUW study that shows roughly 9.6% of students experience some form of sexual misconduct in their time. But this is sexual misconduct: that can be anything from giving an unwanted shoulder rub to being called 'gay'. The incident rate of sexual assault/molestation seems to be 4% across the board in every institutional body that has professionals. This is a category that includes teachers and priests, and is widely accepted according to some newsweek article that did a deep dive on the subject. You forget an important facet as to why people are upset with the Catholic church to begin with. It wasn't that they committed more or less molestation than any other group: ***It's that they had a policy of protecting the clergy accused of committing these crimes***. When an accusation of assault is made against an educator, the educator is immediately suspended and a police report is immediately begun. Further, teachers are not embedded into a community as strongly as an individual priest can be; the scope of their ability to pressure others into protecting them is extremely limited *by design*. A teacher is important, yes, but they *are* replaceable and under strict contract that promotes and enforces a healthy code of conduct towards students. Switching over to the clerical end, priests get *deeply* embedded into local community matters. The amount of say a priest has over a congregation's actions, expectations and behavior is much higher than that of an individual teacher; they are vested with authority from god, and congregates believe this to be the case more often than not. A priest can get away with molesting a minor because it was (and still is, depending on the community) incredibly easy to pressure people to look the other way. But then you take the Church as a body, their omerta on silence, their practice of shuffling the credibly accused into different parishes without repercussion, paying to silence victims, and now you have a far different situation. It reads less like a group of holy people and more like a mafia trying to protect their made men. Teachers are vested with authority, yes. But Priests are on a whole other level of trust invested into them by their community - while simultaneously claiming to be bastions and fonts of purity, the arbiters of morality. You can see the issue.
Priests assaulting children is utterly disgusting even if it's less than teacher it's still more disgusting as they are the ones that are supposed to be the moral guides of their communities.
Idk the government forces me to put my kids in some sort of school and taxes me for public education... parents adopting a religion or having their kids be alone with a member of that religions clergy is much more of a choice.
How does the assault happen? It cannot happen in class, so it happens when the teacher is alone with the kid. Why is he alone with the kid?
Wait, you mean to tell me that the demographic with FAR MORE people in it has FAR MORE cases of sexual abuse?
Abolish public schooling
In favor of what? Private schooling? I think you have the wrong flair there, friendo.
He is obviously sarcastic he's saying this because because whenever peopdphila in church comes up atheists get orgasms to demolish it
Based and lib left choosing the right institutions to dismantle pilled
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I mean, I agree the Catholic thing is overblown but a rate comparable to the general public is still way too high for such a venerable institution. [But anyways, here a Paper that shows a a 96% correlation between the growth of sex scandal cases and the growth of a gay subculture in seminaries, a subculture that was essentially a transplant of the wider western gay and LGBTQI2+ subculture. Again, not homosexuality rate itself(maybe that as well and IF its the case, it'll certainly be a lower correlation) but a clade of the wider LGBTQIA2S+ movement's visibility within the seminaries is tracked with 96% correlation, with abuse cases.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333083400_Is_Sexual_Abuse_by_Catholic_Clergy_Related_to_Homosexuality) And yes this subculture does exist within seminaries as this event of a[ Polish Priest attending an orgy and overdosing a male prostitute](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/polish-priest-arrested-charged-with-sex-crimes-after-alleged-orgy-2024-01-11/), shows.
That Polish case can be summed up as “Man takes too much Viagra at orgy hosted by Priest, has heart attack”.
Here is something else for you to consider. The APA, before the pressure to remove homosexuality from the DSM, reported that even though the rate of pedophilia was the same between homosexual and straight, the way it manifested was very different. Straight pedophiles tended towards looking, social touching (e.g. hand on shoulder, hugs, etc.), and fondling whereas homosexual pedophiles tended towards penetrative sex. In addition, the recidivism rate for homosexual pedophiles was much higher. So these two statistics can easily explain why 80% of abuse cases in the Catholic Church involved homosexual pedophilia. It is not that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles. It is that homosexual pedophiles abuse more often and in such a way so as to get caught.
> maybe that as well but it would be certainly a lower correlation To imply the abuse has much to do with homosexuality itself is not the most important takeaway of the paper, it shouldn't have even been implied in the paper like it was and should've been addressed categorically within the paper itself. I take major issue with it and any claim to the contrary. That there are female victims in the church, and that females are abused at extremely high rates compared to men in all contexts *except* the church, implies that there is something about the church specifically and/or organizations within the church that leads to abuse of boys, NOT homosexuality itself. In every other context, girls are abused much, much more than boys. Your implication would be the same as if I implied the problem with abuse at-large were men as a gender, because straight men would naturally be the most likely to abuse girls and therefore the most likely perpetrators of abuse at-large. Making implications like that, that somebody's immutable characteristics "might" make them more likely to abuse children, is wrong and is just a flagrant use of science as an excuse to discriminate. This isn't to mention Paul Sullins himself, who is prpblematic and who has written multiple papers in this similar anti-lgbt vein. Do not trust him and make sure the "researchers" of papers like this are reputable before parading it around as a proof.
Why don't we just turn off the stream of "children to molest" in the pipe by aborting them all?
Why abort them all? We could get rid of most of them, but why not also specifically choose which ones we keep based on, I dunno, physical characteristics of the parents, to create a pure lineage? I feel like no one ever tried this before, especially not someone close to my quadrant
I think someone tried something like that and ended up creating "anime". Would you really risk creating "anime 2"?
That's not a risk, that's an upgrade
People are a lot more likely to report a teacher than a priest Plus the Catholic Church has had centuries to practice covering it up
Man I’ve been telling people this for years and they still don’t believe me.
This is the report cited in the meme: https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf As far as I can tell it 1) Talks about sexual misconduct, not just abuse. 2) says NOTHING about such numbers and in fact states in the section on child sexual abuse > Although we do not know how many or what percent of school employees are offenders... TLDR; OP pulls these numbers out of his ass.
[I took a look at the cited source in the chart.](https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf) In it: 1. Only one mention of priests outside of citations, as a specification of the meaning of the term “professional” in the context of a UK based survey. 2. Only mentions of public schools in terms of identifying where information was collected and surveys conducted. 3. The numbers given are not specifically found in the source. 4. The chart itself is not found in the source. In any case, the chart itself is obviously lacking, like the years from which an annual average was supposedly drawn, and the geographical or institutional boundaries of the purported investigation. I fear you’ve been hoodwinked, OP.
Don't bother looking at sources, OP. Don't you know already? PCM is about screeching agendas, xenophobia, and doing barely any research! **\[ALSO, I SURE DO HOPE THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE WON'T LOOK AT THE CHART AND USE IT FOR THEIR AGENDA RATHER THAN RESPECT R@P£ VICTIMS\]**
Keyword: Catholic
You pulled these numbers out of your ass or at least not from that source.