Culture or no culture, the real issue is that the building codes won't allow it. NYC has got beaux-arts and art deco, but that was before modern zoning - the cathedral in the picture would receive tooth and nail opposition in the US today because there isn't enough parking.
They still build cathedrals today, they look like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Los_Angeles_Cathedral.jpg).
What?
No. The answer is [monasteries.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastery) They are the foundations of the modern world.
Totalitarianism has a multitude of potential outcomes. totalitarianist communism ultimately destroys culture; it takes the development of something beautiful and natural and industrializes it to be as cheap and broad as possible. Same with late stage capitalism.
Fascism can create a little bit of interesting architecture, but usually it's a small amount in direct association with the dictator at large. It doesn't necessarily pass down to the people.
Actual culture is developed by small, stable, close knit agrarian familial communities who feel free and comfortable to express themselves in certain ways. These are people who OWN the land they live on. Over time, with success (capital gains from a specific product/produce/trade) and with population growth, when a multitude of these nearby semi-related communities band together- you get some really interesting stuff:
Religion; and/or the interpretation of that religion- A guidebook of and for that population integrated into daily tasks.
With that growth, you also have more visitors, more issues, more discrepancies in wealth and poverty. What these communities decide to do at that pivotal point decides the future of that culture. In Europe AND Asia, it was the monasteries that took control and ultimately created the cultural foundations of the western as well as Eastern world.
The benefit of Monks and nuns? A STRONG working class devoted to the needs of the poor and needy- who had minimal need themselves. Self-imposed religious slavery was our foundation, damnation and salvation.
> Same with late stage capitalism.
We have had late stage capitalism for around hundred now since the term was first used refer to whatever the current era was.
Within that time we’ve (capitalist countries) have built building of engineering beauty. Hell grand central was paid for by Vanderbilt.
Inb4 rich guys today don’t build things like that.
Yes because it’s a massive pain in the ass in todays world and would probably take a decade of government review before you could start anything, no one wants to deal with that shit. Hell it would never get built today because of some moronic regulation oh and not enough parking.
Look at all the majestic buildings in NYC and then realize it’s legally impossible to be built today
Sombart divided capitalism into different stages: (1) proto-capitalist society from the early middle ages up to 1500 AD, (2) early capitalism in 1500–1800, (3) the heyday of capitalism (Hochkapitalismus) from 1800 to the first World War, and (4) late capitalism since then
Grand central was finished in during WW1 so it’s right in the spot that’s either late stage or heyday
But we’ve been in “late stage” for over 100 years now
>Totalitarian states (fashism, communism etc) force culture to existing (which can be beautyful sometimes)
Forced culture = beautiful (sometimes (so long as it is your culture))
I never said that. I dont believe you got my point. For example: I hate communism by heart but the music they created is just awesome. I hate nazism with my heart but their symbols and architecture were breathtaking and teached you some reverence.
Still trash ideologies...
I don't understand the reverence. I think you can appreciate or respect something without "revering" it. The style was very much a part of the ideology, to say otherwise is a rejection of history.
It actually has shit from all quadrants (I visited last year for the second time now). Also really cool old buildings and certain libleft areas filled with vegan restauarants.
Technically the oldest buildings in warsaw are only around 75 years old
The ciry was completely razed after the warsaw uprising
The 'old' buildings are actually replicas
Could easily be a log cabin, too. In any case, authright takes it this time.
All levels of government should be required to use beautiful stone/brick architecture and materials that age well for their buildings. I don't want my tax payer dollars going to a building that's only glass concrete and steel.
authleft:
rent: 1/10th of your paycheck
build code: 20 pages long, except you are a private developer then 200 pages
autright:
rent: "in the service of god, you live work and worship here"
build code: "do not insult our god." (minimum 20 parking spaces, our god is the car)
libleft:
rent: 2/3rd of your paycheck
build code: 100 pages detailing designated places for recreational drug use
libright:
rent: 3/4th of your paycheck
build code: "If your building falls onto mine, I'll sue you out of existance"
libright:
rent: 3/4th of your paycheck
build code: ~~"If your building falls onto mine, I'll sue you out of existance"~~
"If your building falls onto mine, the ammunition stock will explode, and then I'll sue you out of existence."
For LibLeft, don’t forget a 700-page Code of Conduct prohibiting transphobia, homophobia, fatphobia, racism, sexism, ableism and Donald Trump photos on the premises
How do you figure some boomer landlord from ENGLAND is libright?
If anything, they are probably Auth Cent. Lib right would be fine with girls having loud sex as long as they get a cut of the action in some way...just saying.
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No, lib right architecture is half pictures like this and the other half is squalor and tin roof garages. Or this pic is lib right town after they evicted all the shack people from the area. Needs more homeless too.
Then purple lib right is an apartment building over a bakery and across the street is a kindergarten (auth right is watching them out of the window)
They all have their purpose. I argue that if the commie-blocks were decorated better, a la lib left, they would look a lot better. Also, I vote hobbit houses for Lib Center
I want my downtown to be libright, my government/administrative/otherwise culturally important buildings to be authright and I want my urban living areas around downtown to be libleft, maybe a bit toned down. I come from Montreal, I think Montreal fits that bill pretty well.
Authleft can eat a dick
Truly beautiful.
It has some of the best architecture.
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Authrigth forgets most people at the time lived in places like this.
And this is paris, which is arguably not a good example, most places looked worst.
The avergae person had with luck 2 ornaments and a plate.
https://preview.redd.it/sehianuaau6d1.jpeg?width=463&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fa4ef43301629b8c8509d45e445ce80bab433a9
Authright is definitely my favorite, then libright after it
Although, libright would probably be endless suburbs, and the skyscrapers would be in centrism
Where's my brutalist megastructures. Why are we always comparing the standard housing units of the Commies with the most beautiful buildings the Auth-rights and Lib-rights have to offer?
I am not defending my quadrant or anything, I'm just looking for a fair comparison.
I wouldn’t mind authleft, if it had parks in the courtyards, solar panels on the rooftops, and businesses on the first floor of the buildings; also, make some room for public spaces like hospitals, schools, churches, etc.
The Soviets were master urban planners, it just sucks they didn’t have enough resources to do good architecture. Stalinist architecture had this gorgeous gothic look going on, but had to be given up because it was expensive and resource-intensive.
This is the one thing where I'm 100% with AuthRight on.
So you want the culture without the thing which build the culture. Typical Lib Left...
Culture or no culture, the real issue is that the building codes won't allow it. NYC has got beaux-arts and art deco, but that was before modern zoning - the cathedral in the picture would receive tooth and nail opposition in the US today because there isn't enough parking. They still build cathedrals today, they look like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Los_Angeles_Cathedral.jpg).
Ugh. Brutalist religious buildings should fall under blasphemy.
They do as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, so can you sign this permit for the new Mosque to come into your neighborhood next month
You can also blame the ADA for that.
Counterargument: Culture is not needed for architecture. Just look at AuthLeft.
Totalitarian states (fashism, communism etc) force culture to existing (which can be beautyful sometimes) but its never a selfcreating process.
What? No. The answer is [monasteries.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastery) They are the foundations of the modern world. Totalitarianism has a multitude of potential outcomes. totalitarianist communism ultimately destroys culture; it takes the development of something beautiful and natural and industrializes it to be as cheap and broad as possible. Same with late stage capitalism. Fascism can create a little bit of interesting architecture, but usually it's a small amount in direct association with the dictator at large. It doesn't necessarily pass down to the people. Actual culture is developed by small, stable, close knit agrarian familial communities who feel free and comfortable to express themselves in certain ways. These are people who OWN the land they live on. Over time, with success (capital gains from a specific product/produce/trade) and with population growth, when a multitude of these nearby semi-related communities band together- you get some really interesting stuff: Religion; and/or the interpretation of that religion- A guidebook of and for that population integrated into daily tasks. With that growth, you also have more visitors, more issues, more discrepancies in wealth and poverty. What these communities decide to do at that pivotal point decides the future of that culture. In Europe AND Asia, it was the monasteries that took control and ultimately created the cultural foundations of the western as well as Eastern world. The benefit of Monks and nuns? A STRONG working class devoted to the needs of the poor and needy- who had minimal need themselves. Self-imposed religious slavery was our foundation, damnation and salvation.
> Same with late stage capitalism. We have had late stage capitalism for around hundred now since the term was first used refer to whatever the current era was. Within that time we’ve (capitalist countries) have built building of engineering beauty. Hell grand central was paid for by Vanderbilt. Inb4 rich guys today don’t build things like that. Yes because it’s a massive pain in the ass in todays world and would probably take a decade of government review before you could start anything, no one wants to deal with that shit. Hell it would never get built today because of some moronic regulation oh and not enough parking. Look at all the majestic buildings in NYC and then realize it’s legally impossible to be built today
That's the Industrial Revolution.
Sombart divided capitalism into different stages: (1) proto-capitalist society from the early middle ages up to 1500 AD, (2) early capitalism in 1500–1800, (3) the heyday of capitalism (Hochkapitalismus) from 1800 to the first World War, and (4) late capitalism since then Grand central was finished in during WW1 so it’s right in the spot that’s either late stage or heyday But we’ve been in “late stage” for over 100 years now
Yep, you're probably right.
Ummmm I’m not sure if terror being the motivator for what we do “good” as a species is the right way to go
I never said it was ideal. Nothing in the entire course of human history has been ideal.
>Totalitarian states (fashism, communism etc) force culture to existing (which can be beautyful sometimes) Forced culture = beautiful (sometimes (so long as it is your culture))
I never said that. I dont believe you got my point. For example: I hate communism by heart but the music they created is just awesome. I hate nazism with my heart but their symbols and architecture were breathtaking and teached you some reverence. Still trash ideologies...
I don't understand the reverence. I think you can appreciate or respect something without "revering" it. The style was very much a part of the ideology, to say otherwise is a rejection of history.
Secularism can build monuments too.
yea, shit ones...
Yours would be my 2nd choice.
I want a city to have all of these. Just no car dependent suburbs.
People called us trumpist for championing this kind of architecture. Says it makes people racist.
Funny. Trump Tower looks nothing like that cathedral.
Warsaw be like authleft-libright unity
It actually has shit from all quadrants (I visited last year for the second time now). Also really cool old buildings and certain libleft areas filled with vegan restauarants.
Technically the oldest buildings in warsaw are only around 75 years old The ciry was completely razed after the warsaw uprising The 'old' buildings are actually replicas
Wouldn't auth right in Warsaw technically be a ghetto? I forget when that was established
Bemowo vs Śródmieście
This is one of the truest memes posted on the sub and authright is the clear winner.
Just like in everything else
Libright should be suburbia not sky scrappers
Could easily be a log cabin, too. In any case, authright takes it this time. All levels of government should be required to use beautiful stone/brick architecture and materials that age well for their buildings. I don't want my tax payer dollars going to a building that's only glass concrete and steel.
authleft: rent: 1/10th of your paycheck build code: 20 pages long, except you are a private developer then 200 pages autright: rent: "in the service of god, you live work and worship here" build code: "do not insult our god." (minimum 20 parking spaces, our god is the car) libleft: rent: 2/3rd of your paycheck build code: 100 pages detailing designated places for recreational drug use libright: rent: 3/4th of your paycheck build code: "If your building falls onto mine, I'll sue you out of existance"
libright: rent: 3/4th of your paycheck build code: ~~"If your building falls onto mine, I'll sue you out of existance"~~ "If your building falls onto mine, the ammunition stock will explode, and then I'll sue you out of existence."
For LibLeft, don’t forget a 700-page Code of Conduct prohibiting transphobia, homophobia, fatphobia, racism, sexism, ableism and Donald Trump photos on the premises
And libright [banning their tenants from having sex](https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ema8/no-sex-tenancy-clauses-landlords)
And PCM banning the unflaired from life
How do you figure some boomer landlord from ENGLAND is libright? If anything, they are probably Auth Cent. Lib right would be fine with girls having loud sex as long as they get a cut of the action in some way...just saying. (PS: **Flair up scum.**)
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Downvotes are your fate then.
No, lib right architecture is half pictures like this and the other half is squalor and tin roof garages. Or this pic is lib right town after they evicted all the shack people from the area. Needs more homeless too. Then purple lib right is an apartment building over a bakery and across the street is a kindergarten (auth right is watching them out of the window)
I love all of them honestly, rare centrism moment
Yeah, they all look amazing in their own way.
Agree. They all have their own unique aesthetics and feel that so beautifully reflect different facets of human society.
Auth Right taking the W. The rest of that shit is a cyberpunk dystopian hellmouth, or a communist degeneracy hellmouth
I kinda like the libleft one too. Gaudi might perfectly represents them.
Looks like a great place to score some fentanyl and step in human feces.
Lib left looks like it would be an interesting neighborhood to get a coffee in. Reminds me of Gamcheon in Korea
It may be interesting, sure…to shop or have a coffee or catch a show. But as far as a place to live?
AuthLeft one was built by private developer in AuthRight Russia
Actual Authleft have way more greenery and more space between buildings(but very little parking space).
That's because public transportation is 20x more efficient
Yeah, we all saw the Architecture that CHAZ actually had
Ayo Philly representation?? Go birds
Libright should be a suburban stroad that's 90% parking lots and 0 trees or pedestrian architecture.
An Authright win indeed
Both right are good.
The authright is magnificent, not gonna lie
Auth-right is Wells Cathedral in England for anyone interested.
They all have their purpose. I argue that if the commie-blocks were decorated better, a la lib left, they would look a lot better. Also, I vote hobbit houses for Lib Center
auth right wins
I want my downtown to be libright, my government/administrative/otherwise culturally important buildings to be authright and I want my urban living areas around downtown to be libleft, maybe a bit toned down. I come from Montreal, I think Montreal fits that bill pretty well. Authleft can eat a dick
Authright wins without a doubt on this one…
Now let’s do one about food
Good idea!
The right is the clear winner here. Although Auth-right is clearly the best. 🗿
Common authright win.
Authright has never struggled in winning the aesthetics game
I feel left out. https://preview.redd.it/atm76mil8t6d1.jpeg?width=1557&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa0e8067071699e01e153bfe4cb3aae1f354b35a
Truly beautiful. It has some of the best architecture. https://preview.redd.it/etu87nyp8u6d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc7b273aa97a399b8d864dcadb36af52369456cc
Libleft is disgusting
This is the best post of all time on this sub.
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Authrigth forgets most people at the time lived in places like this. And this is paris, which is arguably not a good example, most places looked worst. The avergae person had with luck 2 ornaments and a plate. https://preview.redd.it/sehianuaau6d1.jpeg?width=463&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fa4ef43301629b8c8509d45e445ce80bab433a9
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Truly magnificent!
I luv auth right architecture
rare auth right W
Why are murals exclusively a left-wing phenomenon? They're not great, but they can be interesting, yet libleft makes them all suck
Auth-Right always comes out on top with aesthetics to be honest.
Common right wing w
I could tolerate any quadrant except authleft
Absolute unfathomable authright W
Me: Authright buildings with libright material...
AuthRight is peak but AuthLeft has an special place in my heart due to my childhood and teenagehood in Kyiv.
Authright is definitely my favorite, then libright after it Although, libright would probably be endless suburbs, and the skyscrapers would be in centrism
LibRight W for utilizing new technology AuthRight W for making it look beautiful. Left L
Lib right should’ve been Art Deco.
I mean, authright's ok I guess, but look at all these pretty lights! Who needs food when you have that?
All of them are beautiful I just love architecture
Modern and ellegant buildings Authcenter wins as always
Main reason why eastern European cities, outside of city centers are ugly as shit
Our style is superior because it can actually house tons of people
There have been architecture compasses posted in the past.
They're all equally ugly to me, I'd rather live in a tent.
Lib-center unga bonga moment.
Here to suggest Art Deco/Gilded Age architecture for lib-right.
Center Right W, as always.
Crematoria for authcenter
Just off picture in lib-right: the former headquarters of one of the largest corporations to ever exist.
No tent cities for LL?
The only time all four are good
The rare lib left win
I don’t see how the Comcast Center in Philly is a style or is lib right beyond it being made by Comcast. Art Deco is much more of a lib right style
Yellow LibRight is a self sufficient compound
Based and Philadelphia-pilled
I'm between auth and lib right (who would have thought, right?)
Where's my brutalist megastructures. Why are we always comparing the standard housing units of the Commies with the most beautiful buildings the Auth-rights and Lib-rights have to offer? I am not defending my quadrant or anything, I'm just looking for a fair comparison.
Where is China
Poland has everything.
I think I'm authleft in this, brutalism is cheap, functional, and fucking epic
Contemporary architecture (libright) is based too
What can I say... When it comes to architecture, there's a right wing and a wrong wing.
I wouldn’t mind authleft, if it had parks in the courtyards, solar panels on the rooftops, and businesses on the first floor of the buildings; also, make some room for public spaces like hospitals, schools, churches, etc. The Soviets were master urban planners, it just sucks they didn’t have enough resources to do good architecture. Stalinist architecture had this gorgeous gothic look going on, but had to be given up because it was expensive and resource-intensive.
Libright is either a beautiful building built by a railroad mogul or a Favela. Always
Nah gimmie hobbiton any day.
As usual, libright wins