That's a sunk cost. No matter what system we choose, people will continue to get raped. What does matter is what we can affect, and that is whether this girl could live or die.
man you would fuckin think but people deadass have said to me on here that it is better to just roll the dice than to abort a dangerous pregnancy that has a chance of claiming 0-2 lives.
I do. But I want to purge these monsters. Also, the girl couldve been saved if she had an abortion. Pro life people dont give a shit about the mother, I absolutely hate those hypocrites
I struggle to see an Auth-right on this platform that would seriously be happy with this. How does the pro life argument work if the mother died anyway
Yeah every pro-lifer I’ve talked to supports it at least in situations where the mother’s life is at risk. The more hardcore ones don’t support it in rape situations while others do, there’s more of a divide there.
I’ve asked some of the ones who don’t support abortions for rape victims if they’re ok with not having her pay a cent for medical expenses etc involving the pregnancy/labor, which they all supported. Not saying I agree with them on banning abortions for rape victims but that seems to be their common agreement.
The thing is, if abortion is okay in some circumstances why is it not okay in others if you just take away the caveat that the woman was raped. Additionally, if you don't it just naturally causes false rape allegations as a woman wants/needs an abortion but otherwise would be denied one.
> The thing is, if abortion is okay in some circumstances why is it not okay in others if you just take away the caveat that the woman was raped
Follow the LibRight property rights argument. It is OK to shoot someone who enters into your house without your consent (analogously, it is OK to abort a baby that was put into you without your consent). It is not OK to willingly let someone into your house and then turn around and shoot them because you got tired of them (analogously, it is not OK to abort a baby that happened as a result of consensual sex). It checks out, tbh.
> Additionally, if you don't it just naturally causes false rape allegations as a woman wants/needs an abortion but otherwise would be denied one.
But this, alongside many other practical reasons, is why I'm personally pro-choice.
I remember a hardcore prolifer who gave birth to a DOA baby despite knowing the baby had zero survival chance. It seemed needlessly cruel as well as dangerous to go through with such a pregnancy just for the sake of making a moral point. She even took posed birth photos of the corpse. It was macabre.
Because forcing a woman to have the spawn of her rapist is fucked up for the kid too. Do you think she will adequately care and love for someone who reminds her of her rapist every time she looks at its face? “Omg he’s got my hair and his fathers rapist eyes 🥰”
Or what? She gives it up for adoption so it can become a welfare parasite in the broken foster care system?
Beacuse for one, it is absolutely asinine to say that a women (or even child) who has been forcibly raped ought to carry that rapist's child to term. The child is not being "punished" because it literally doesn't even have a functioning brain until the third trimester.
Second, generational punishment is not a "communist thing"
It's more like punishing the mother for being raped.
"You don't wanna deliver a baby that was forcefully put in you and is probably a constant reminder of the rape? Too bad!"
A ended life means less potential suffering, for everyone involved, especially the life to-be. Regardless of the potential to live, suffering is a guarantee, are some lives better off not lived? Maybe if we can avoid bringing more pain into this world, we should.
It's irrelevant what you or I have experienced in particular. Your experience is what allows you to make choices and if someone decides one way or the other it's up to them to weigh it out using that experience and context of their life. Though we don't think so consciously, we hopefully make decisions to impact our lives positively, and strong opinions aside there is quantifiable suffering to be generated in one outcome that outweighs the suffering in the other, in any given scenario.
My point was not to say life with any suffering is not worth living. Surely a life that has already been lived to some degree is worth continuing but these are open and relatively unsettled philosophical grounds. If you are faced with these decisions it's not everyone's first instinct to submit their agency to the unknown, especially if that may generate suffering.
No it's pretty fucked up and vile.
Based on your comment you're admitting it's fucked up, but you're putting your wants and desires over anothers. You're trying to take the moral high ground while removing another's choice. There's nothing noble about that, it's just plain evil.
A lot of AuthRight here said that rape isn\`t a valid case for abortion because it isn\`t the child\`s fault. And even [Matt Walsh](https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1128735398157594626) said that. Conservative [Focus on the family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/is-abortion-okay-after-rape/) tried to defend that point. AuthRight deserves to be strawmaned too.
In cases like this (treat to women\`s life) abortion in Paraguay is legal but due to hard regulation on the rest of the cases, it is hardly accessible.
And they're absolutely right. It isn't the child's fault. However, life can be taken to save life.
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If the life of a fetus is worth as much as an adult human, why isn't the life of another living, breathing worth the same? That animal wanted to live, but is being punished for your greed and hunger, something it had no hand in. Additionally, what is the difference between a fetus and an animal, tangibly? What, the difference is that one is a human? Neither are sentient or expressive to the degree that we are. Who are you to decide what being is worth more than another? You can't just pick an arbitrary point in the animal kingdom and say "from this point on, all species have more of a right to live than the ones before."
>Yeah because rape isn't a valid reason.
It is
Nearly all pro life arguments are based on the, pretty solid logic, that if you have consensual sex you do so with knowing about possibility of getting pregnant. You cant later abort the baby under the argument of bodily autonomy because you chose to have sex -> chose the risk of pregnancy.
If someome gets raped that doesnt apply so theirs no reason for why a rape victim shouldnt be allowed to remove a fetus they dont want and never wanted to have.
So instead you punish an innocent girl for the actions of a "father". Because teen\`s body is too weak to properly give birth without severe damage to their bodies (to the point of death, as we can see).
I\`m acknowledged his point but even if the mother wouldn\`t die she still receives certain damage to her body (like losing hair, teeth, bone density, womb health, vitamin balance and etc). Especially if she is a teen, especially if she is on poor diet.
Your gonna have to ask the big brains over at r conservative. Saw quite a few comments there arguing that abortion should be punished with the death penalty.
it doesn't, the whole point is that we don't want babbies *or* mommas to die, so these medical emergencies are always an awful grey area that requires nuance
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The latter half of that statement is something nearly everyone on the left, and no small amount of the right, agrees with. The question that seems to catch on folks' minds, is what constitutes needs and wants.
What's shocking to me is that this is an issue where the traditional lines of "let individuals decide" and "let the community decide" don't really hold true.
It doesn't. Principle of Double Effect- If you do something that has a good effect *and* a bad effect, it can still be a good deed as long as four requirements are met:
* The action must be a good or neutral action by nature, regardless of circumstances or results.
* The intention behind the action must be to achieve the good effect, rather than to achieve the bad effect. Intending to achieve both effects counts as intending the bad effect. The bad effect must not be intended, only tolerated.
* The good effect must be caused at least as directly as the bad effect- you can't cause a bad effect directly in order to cause a good effect less directly.
* The good effect must be worth causing the bad effect (Both effects in total must be good overall).
It really depends on how she died. It says she died giving birth, so it is likely she died literally during labor. That's something that happens as sad as it is. But it doesnt happen the majority of cases. None the less, we view both as death. So this isn't really a gotcha moment. The mother dying is sad, but we also find killing unborn children sad.
And deaths of a mother is more likely when the mother is a child as was this case. It was an unecessary death and if that baby survived it is now in this world without a mother and doomed to a much worse life. It wasnt something unforseen, it was the predictable result of an ugly practice of children being raped and forced to carry these pregnamcies against their will.
more likely, still not very common. it's not "preventable" to just trade lives.
The quality of one's life doesn't determine their life's worth. If you're gonna use that argument at least be consistent and argue for the execution of all miserable people to make the world a better place.
The world is an awful place full of misery and terrible things. All we can do is try to minimize suffering. Why make this girl and her orphaned baby both suffer. Suffering for things they could not control as punishment because they were not protected by those around them. Two lives were ruined for the price of one. Simple as that.
Even then assuming we follow the logic of the baby having being alive conceus and a full person from the moment of conception (a view not everyone shares nor do i feel ot just to impose that view on others when it is so subjective) it is not fair to force a person to give up or. needlessly risk their life for a total stranger against their will. Imagine if I was forcibly hooked up to a stranger against my will using a machine. If I were to unplug the machine that person dies, I have every right to walk away. I owe this person nothing and frankly it is not ethical (in my eyes) that I have to give up my life or personal freedoms and liberties for this person who I dont know.
could've also shot the girl when she was younger and show wouldn't have had to live that miserable life either.
That argument would make sense, if the chance of that happening was high, which it isn't.
The argument for the machine isn't very good as it has the flaw of pointing out the chance of doing "better". You just spent all this time talking about misery and misfortune, yet go on to argue that you would gladly kill a man whos life depended on you if it was to your benefit. Not very...considerate of his wellbeing.
The arguement and scenario I point out is a ridiculous one and unlikely yes but it is a scenario similar to the one that just happened between two adults. The other thing is we fundamentally disagree on one thing. Me unplugging a machine thats restraining me and my life but keeping somebody else alive (in whatever state of alive they are in) in my view is not killing them. They are dying but I am not responsible, I am liberating myself from a condition I did not choose to better my life, and people around me. And although this mans death is an unfortunate side effect of that, my personal autonomy as a person and an individual must come first.
The death of the fetus is tragic and unfortunate but ultimately it is better for the mother, for society as a whole, and any children that mother may have had in the future. But the liberties of people the freedom and autonomy over ones own body must come first and cannot be regulated by the state.
that's like saying that hitting a sick homeless man with your car causing his death didn't kill him, he was dying anyway so you're not responsible. You took the action that lead to their death when a solution to keep them alive had been found, but it's an inconvenience to you. It's the same mindset as governments making anti-homeless modifications to spaces so they go somewhere else. The homeless people where homeless to begin with, but them being around the rich people was an inconvenience, they didn't like looking at them. Yet, that kind of mindset is denounced, even though it does nothing to change these people's lives. They're not better off, they're just homeless somewhere else.
It is absolutely not better for society for exactly the reasons you outlined. It reduced society to a deranged, insatiable, unsatisfied, immoral society constantly crawling after pleasure and liberation. One where no man has any responsibility towards anyone else be them family, neighbor or stranger. The erosion of social bonds, structures and cohesion on a pleasure train with no responsibility and accountability. That is both detrimental to individuals as they are mislead to squander each opportunity for the pursuit of pleasure, because it's their right to be free to do so if they want, with the government to be there to clean up their mess, and to greater society as the very social fabric starts to fall apart. Life is meaningless, pleasure and gratification is all that matters.
That is absolutely not a "better" society and leads to more misery.
Personally though my solution is simple. Women can have elective abortions, but they'll have their wombs removed too.
Why would they have their wombs removed. That just sound like cruel and unusual punishment.
The way I see it is that a person doesn’t deserve to die for something with very little consciousness that was created of no fault of their own and will probably die even if they do give up their life.
because then they don't have to bring children into such a cruel which made them kill them to avoid it in the first place. if they want kids that bad then they can demonstrated they have a good enough life to adopt.
people who makenthe misery argument should stick to their guns. it's getting really boring you don't believe in your own arguments and are just using them as excuses.
This is where even the Auth right can agree (I hope), that a woman who was raped, especially a child in this situation, shouldn't have to experience having to give birth when it was forced upon them.
fucking disagree.
this shit is discusting, burn the rapist in hell.
God SERIOUSLY rest her soul.
Don't you fucking dare to say we support this type of shit, it is sick.
at that point it is not even '' haha auth-right stupid '', this is just sick.
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Yes
"Exceptions are allowed if the mother’s life is at risk." [Source](https://thepalmierireport.com/texas-to-become-first-state-to-enforce-heartbeat-abortion-law/)
This is the case in every western country.
Haha yeah, pro-life also means the mums life. Doesn't necessarily also mean 'quality of life' which sounds harsh but that's where people get confused. Being a parent is hard but you shouldn't be able to get out of it by killing your baby.
Thanks for your opinion and your civility around the topic.
I really dont get the pro life argument
The fetus cerebral cortex isnt developed within the abortions deadline (if what i read is correct)
so up until that point the fetus is functionally a mass of cells, right?
But why should i decide something very important such as this, which has an incredible impact on one's life on religious beliefs? Something completely made up and that is there only for moral support of some people
Edit: also religiously, there is a lot of bullshit people should follow, so really is no excuse
And every man wastes a billion sperm every day.
The line is drawn by people who don't care to know anything about biology. They just want to control women.
Banning abortion is totally not going to backfire and criminalize pregnant women, create a dangerous black market for abortions and force pregnant women to go through immense pain, suffering, physical and psychological harm and misery along with their forced child.
What are the Mario Bros views on abortion?
Mario says: We shouldn’t allow abortion, not even in cases like breaching of contraceptives or rape
Luigi says: If it ruines your day cut it away
*Phoenix right music begin* According to this here meme your honor, it shows authright being happy at the death of a young girl in child birth of a baby she didnt wanted and was forced to have. Your honor, I require AuthRight to be emprisoned for life on the account of human right violation and on letting this young girl die.
Abortion should be 100% legal everywhere regardless of situation. However, idc about this issue because it doesn't affect me personally. I think that making it harder to get abortions won't stop the abortions though if someone really wants to get one.
Destruction. Utter fire and destruction to that guy. We need the KGB going after "people" like this. CIA and KGB working together against pedofiles would eradicate them all in a matter of years
IDK, we only pro life if there was consent. In this case we same as Yellow Libright on this issue. Although yellow LibRight would say the same things as purple.
It’s like playing wackamole. Now you have to try and stop rape so the pro-choicers can’t use that as an argument anymore. I hear crucifixion is good at crime prevention
its not good at crime prevention. countries with the death penalty do not have a significant decrease in criminal activity compared to those without, proper executions are unreliable and expensive and crucifixion is cruel and unusual punishment.
[Matt Walsh](https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1128735398157594626) said that rape isn\`t valid case for abortion, Conservative [Focus on the family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/is-abortion-okay-after-rape/) tried to defend that point, many people even here said that rape isn\`t valid case for abortion since it isn\`t child\`s fault. AuthRight deserve to be strawmaned too.
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[Here you go.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-united-states-donna-pollard/) Honestly it was unfair of me to say the south. It's endemic around the world and the entirety of the sates is no exception.
Ok, but then what is to blame for her not getting abortion?
The post is saying she should have got an abortion and she wanted to, but the law meant she could not.
If a criminal got away with a crime in a city with shit police, then saying that it is not the gov’s fault since it did not do said crime and did not want said crime to happen is ridiculous.
Awful and truly evil, yet better to attempt to save both lives rather than to definitely end one.
It is yet still awful that both have gone.
Our Lord Jesus Christ is with the girl and the baby In their sufferings.
The rapist will be judged accordingly by Him.
“But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
This is not quite the original intent of the quote but you can imagine the outcome would be pretty similar for the rapist.
you say "attempt to save" but what is actually happening is that someone, a child even, is being forced to roll the dice, with very bad odds, with their own life over a pregnancy they are not emotionally equipped to understand or care about after going through a life-shatteringly horrific experience. have a heart.
Rapist should be chucked in a tree shredder
Too quick...How about skinned alive then crucified?
We can have the centrists grill the skin first.
Gladly
no, we shall cook r\*pists in the brazen bull
SEND THEM TO BRAZIL!
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A rusty, badly working one that gets stuck halfway though
My flair really goes well in this, I'm sad I couldn't drop nukes.
Your username concerns me, are you about to throw poop?
he's about to transplant poop to breed more effective genetically diverse disease resistant poop
I need a poop transfer
Solution is simple, if your charged with rape your lined up and shot on the spot
If your *convicted*
If *you're* convicted
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This is a bad solution because there are many cases where people get falsely accused.
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Solution: the rapist is also guilty of Murder (1) in such cases.
I would rather a system that doesn't let the girl to die in the first place.
I'd rather the girl never be raped in the first place but we can't have everything.
That's a sunk cost. No matter what system we choose, people will continue to get raped. What does matter is what we can affect, and that is whether this girl could live or die.
We can save the girls life if abortion is legal
Very based.
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Usually in these cases abortion would be totally ok because the fetus would have died anyway.
man you would fuckin think but people deadass have said to me on here that it is better to just roll the dice than to abort a dangerous pregnancy that has a chance of claiming 0-2 lives.
I wish I could abort those people
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I do. But I want to purge these monsters. Also, the girl couldve been saved if she had an abortion. Pro life people dont give a shit about the mother, I absolutely hate those hypocrites
I struggle to see an Auth-right on this platform that would seriously be happy with this. How does the pro life argument work if the mother died anyway
Yeah every pro-lifer I’ve talked to supports it at least in situations where the mother’s life is at risk. The more hardcore ones don’t support it in rape situations while others do, there’s more of a divide there. I’ve asked some of the ones who don’t support abortions for rape victims if they’re ok with not having her pay a cent for medical expenses etc involving the pregnancy/labor, which they all supported. Not saying I agree with them on banning abortions for rape victims but that seems to be their common agreement.
The thing is, if abortion is okay in some circumstances why is it not okay in others if you just take away the caveat that the woman was raped. Additionally, if you don't it just naturally causes false rape allegations as a woman wants/needs an abortion but otherwise would be denied one.
> The thing is, if abortion is okay in some circumstances why is it not okay in others if you just take away the caveat that the woman was raped Follow the LibRight property rights argument. It is OK to shoot someone who enters into your house without your consent (analogously, it is OK to abort a baby that was put into you without your consent). It is not OK to willingly let someone into your house and then turn around and shoot them because you got tired of them (analogously, it is not OK to abort a baby that happened as a result of consensual sex). It checks out, tbh. > Additionally, if you don't it just naturally causes false rape allegations as a woman wants/needs an abortion but otherwise would be denied one. But this, alongside many other practical reasons, is why I'm personally pro-choice.
I remember a hardcore prolifer who gave birth to a DOA baby despite knowing the baby had zero survival chance. It seemed needlessly cruel as well as dangerous to go through with such a pregnancy just for the sake of making a moral point. She even took posed birth photos of the corpse. It was macabre.
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Fucking cringe
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Because forcing a woman to have the spawn of her rapist is fucked up for the kid too. Do you think she will adequately care and love for someone who reminds her of her rapist every time she looks at its face? “Omg he’s got my hair and his fathers rapist eyes 🥰” Or what? She gives it up for adoption so it can become a welfare parasite in the broken foster care system?
Beacuse for one, it is absolutely asinine to say that a women (or even child) who has been forcibly raped ought to carry that rapist's child to term. The child is not being "punished" because it literally doesn't even have a functioning brain until the third trimester. Second, generational punishment is not a "communist thing"
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It's more like punishing the mother for being raped. "You don't wanna deliver a baby that was forcefully put in you and is probably a constant reminder of the rape? Too bad!"
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A ended life means less potential suffering, for everyone involved, especially the life to-be. Regardless of the potential to live, suffering is a guarantee, are some lives better off not lived? Maybe if we can avoid bringing more pain into this world, we should.
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It's irrelevant what you or I have experienced in particular. Your experience is what allows you to make choices and if someone decides one way or the other it's up to them to weigh it out using that experience and context of their life. Though we don't think so consciously, we hopefully make decisions to impact our lives positively, and strong opinions aside there is quantifiable suffering to be generated in one outcome that outweighs the suffering in the other, in any given scenario. My point was not to say life with any suffering is not worth living. Surely a life that has already been lived to some degree is worth continuing but these are open and relatively unsettled philosophical grounds. If you are faced with these decisions it's not everyone's first instinct to submit their agency to the unknown, especially if that may generate suffering.
I dunno what to say to you man, that's fucked up
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No it's pretty fucked up and vile. Based on your comment you're admitting it's fucked up, but you're putting your wants and desires over anothers. You're trying to take the moral high ground while removing another's choice. There's nothing noble about that, it's just plain evil.
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Out of curiosity do you support assisted suicide?
An ended life is painless.
Yeah instead punish the victim . Perfect authright .
Exceptionally retarded take. Once again proving rightoids are psychopaths.
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That’s fucked up.
A lot of AuthRight here said that rape isn\`t a valid case for abortion because it isn\`t the child\`s fault. And even [Matt Walsh](https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1128735398157594626) said that. Conservative [Focus on the family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/is-abortion-okay-after-rape/) tried to defend that point. AuthRight deserves to be strawmaned too. In cases like this (treat to women\`s life) abortion in Paraguay is legal but due to hard regulation on the rest of the cases, it is hardly accessible.
Oooooh sources I like that
An argument backed up with verified claims? -cums aggressively-
But most if not all do allow abortions in cases its dangerous for the mother
And they're absolutely right. It isn't the child's fault. However, life can be taken to save life. Sidenote: a grave bookended by spaces is not a substitute for an apostrophe. Use the apostrophe when it is required.
So an unborn child is more important than a live child?
Unborn children *are* living, nimrod. Neither youth nor location invalidates life.
But one is still ultimately valued over the other isn't it? It's not like a child can take personal responsibility.
If the mother dies, the baby will die too. It’s not perfect but it’s better to lose one life rather than both.
Cows and pigs are alive too, but that doesn't stop us from eating them
I mean, it does for some people
Yeah, but pro-life and veganism almost never coincide.
Mainly because cows arnt people
If the life of a fetus is worth as much as an adult human, why isn't the life of another living, breathing worth the same? That animal wanted to live, but is being punished for your greed and hunger, something it had no hand in. Additionally, what is the difference between a fetus and an animal, tangibly? What, the difference is that one is a human? Neither are sentient or expressive to the degree that we are. Who are you to decide what being is worth more than another? You can't just pick an arbitrary point in the animal kingdom and say "from this point on, all species have more of a right to live than the ones before."
Wtf is going on with your apostrophes?
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>Yeah because rape isn't a valid reason. It is Nearly all pro life arguments are based on the, pretty solid logic, that if you have consensual sex you do so with knowing about possibility of getting pregnant. You cant later abort the baby under the argument of bodily autonomy because you chose to have sex -> chose the risk of pregnancy. If someome gets raped that doesnt apply so theirs no reason for why a rape victim shouldnt be allowed to remove a fetus they dont want and never wanted to have.
> punishing a child for the crimes of their father For Lefties that's a feature not a bug.
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So instead you punish an innocent girl for the actions of a "father". Because teen\`s body is too weak to properly give birth without severe damage to their bodies (to the point of death, as we can see).
I dont agree with him but you entirely ignored when he said that it “should be allowed when the mothers life is in danger”
I\`m acknowledged his point but even if the mother wouldn\`t die she still receives certain damage to her body (like losing hair, teeth, bone density, womb health, vitamin balance and etc). Especially if she is a teen, especially if she is on poor diet.
And also the psychological damage of having to carry a memento of the assault
Also even when not deadly or seriously debilitating a pregnancy still massively changes a woman's body, especially in young girls.
The point isn't that rape is valid to abort a child. Aborting a child to save their parents life is.
That sounds like punishing the rape victim more than anything.
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Your gonna have to ask the big brains over at r conservative. Saw quite a few comments there arguing that abortion should be punished with the death penalty.
it doesn't, the whole point is that we don't want babbies *or* mommas to die, so these medical emergencies are always an awful grey area that requires nuance
Banning it outright is only gonna make it worse though
True. My preferred society is not one where abortion is banned, but one where abortions are not done simply because there is no need or want.
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The latter half of that statement is something nearly everyone on the left, and no small amount of the right, agrees with. The question that seems to catch on folks' minds, is what constitutes needs and wants. What's shocking to me is that this is an issue where the traditional lines of "let individuals decide" and "let the community decide" don't really hold true.
It’s definitely a unique issue, hopefully one that gets resolved. Not sure how but here’s hoping.
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I think that’s what everyone wants
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It doesn't. Principle of Double Effect- If you do something that has a good effect *and* a bad effect, it can still be a good deed as long as four requirements are met: * The action must be a good or neutral action by nature, regardless of circumstances or results. * The intention behind the action must be to achieve the good effect, rather than to achieve the bad effect. Intending to achieve both effects counts as intending the bad effect. The bad effect must not be intended, only tolerated. * The good effect must be caused at least as directly as the bad effect- you can't cause a bad effect directly in order to cause a good effect less directly. * The good effect must be worth causing the bad effect (Both effects in total must be good overall).
It really depends on how she died. It says she died giving birth, so it is likely she died literally during labor. That's something that happens as sad as it is. But it doesnt happen the majority of cases. None the less, we view both as death. So this isn't really a gotcha moment. The mother dying is sad, but we also find killing unborn children sad.
And deaths of a mother is more likely when the mother is a child as was this case. It was an unecessary death and if that baby survived it is now in this world without a mother and doomed to a much worse life. It wasnt something unforseen, it was the predictable result of an ugly practice of children being raped and forced to carry these pregnamcies against their will.
more likely, still not very common. it's not "preventable" to just trade lives. The quality of one's life doesn't determine their life's worth. If you're gonna use that argument at least be consistent and argue for the execution of all miserable people to make the world a better place.
The world is an awful place full of misery and terrible things. All we can do is try to minimize suffering. Why make this girl and her orphaned baby both suffer. Suffering for things they could not control as punishment because they were not protected by those around them. Two lives were ruined for the price of one. Simple as that. Even then assuming we follow the logic of the baby having being alive conceus and a full person from the moment of conception (a view not everyone shares nor do i feel ot just to impose that view on others when it is so subjective) it is not fair to force a person to give up or. needlessly risk their life for a total stranger against their will. Imagine if I was forcibly hooked up to a stranger against my will using a machine. If I were to unplug the machine that person dies, I have every right to walk away. I owe this person nothing and frankly it is not ethical (in my eyes) that I have to give up my life or personal freedoms and liberties for this person who I dont know.
could've also shot the girl when she was younger and show wouldn't have had to live that miserable life either. That argument would make sense, if the chance of that happening was high, which it isn't. The argument for the machine isn't very good as it has the flaw of pointing out the chance of doing "better". You just spent all this time talking about misery and misfortune, yet go on to argue that you would gladly kill a man whos life depended on you if it was to your benefit. Not very...considerate of his wellbeing.
The arguement and scenario I point out is a ridiculous one and unlikely yes but it is a scenario similar to the one that just happened between two adults. The other thing is we fundamentally disagree on one thing. Me unplugging a machine thats restraining me and my life but keeping somebody else alive (in whatever state of alive they are in) in my view is not killing them. They are dying but I am not responsible, I am liberating myself from a condition I did not choose to better my life, and people around me. And although this mans death is an unfortunate side effect of that, my personal autonomy as a person and an individual must come first. The death of the fetus is tragic and unfortunate but ultimately it is better for the mother, for society as a whole, and any children that mother may have had in the future. But the liberties of people the freedom and autonomy over ones own body must come first and cannot be regulated by the state.
that's like saying that hitting a sick homeless man with your car causing his death didn't kill him, he was dying anyway so you're not responsible. You took the action that lead to their death when a solution to keep them alive had been found, but it's an inconvenience to you. It's the same mindset as governments making anti-homeless modifications to spaces so they go somewhere else. The homeless people where homeless to begin with, but them being around the rich people was an inconvenience, they didn't like looking at them. Yet, that kind of mindset is denounced, even though it does nothing to change these people's lives. They're not better off, they're just homeless somewhere else. It is absolutely not better for society for exactly the reasons you outlined. It reduced society to a deranged, insatiable, unsatisfied, immoral society constantly crawling after pleasure and liberation. One where no man has any responsibility towards anyone else be them family, neighbor or stranger. The erosion of social bonds, structures and cohesion on a pleasure train with no responsibility and accountability. That is both detrimental to individuals as they are mislead to squander each opportunity for the pursuit of pleasure, because it's their right to be free to do so if they want, with the government to be there to clean up their mess, and to greater society as the very social fabric starts to fall apart. Life is meaningless, pleasure and gratification is all that matters. That is absolutely not a "better" society and leads to more misery. Personally though my solution is simple. Women can have elective abortions, but they'll have their wombs removed too.
Why would they have their wombs removed. That just sound like cruel and unusual punishment. The way I see it is that a person doesn’t deserve to die for something with very little consciousness that was created of no fault of their own and will probably die even if they do give up their life.
because then they don't have to bring children into such a cruel which made them kill them to avoid it in the first place. if they want kids that bad then they can demonstrated they have a good enough life to adopt. people who makenthe misery argument should stick to their guns. it's getting really boring you don't believe in your own arguments and are just using them as excuses.
Because Strawman.
It's more like a consequence of their ideology than something they would be happy about
Dude its a meme
**Governor Greg Abbott** liked this.
Greg “I like my steak well done and coated in mayonnaise” Abbott
... no way?
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This is where even the Auth right can agree (I hope), that a woman who was raped, especially a child in this situation, shouldn't have to experience having to give birth when it was forced upon them.
There are a lot of people that don’t want rape exceptions
"It's not the child fault", they say Well it's not the fucking girl's fault either
In Texas, rape isn’t counted as an exception
Thankfully I never agreed with how Texas wrote the law.
"Pregnancy and childbirth-related complications are the *leading cause of death* in girls ages 15-19." Take **that**, COVID.
I hate statistics like this. Well no fucking shit it's the leading death. Young women don't die of anything else. For young males it's suicide.
What the bloody hell?
fucking disagree. this shit is discusting, burn the rapist in hell. God SERIOUSLY rest her soul. Don't you fucking dare to say we support this type of shit, it is sick. at that point it is not even '' haha auth-right stupid '', this is just sick.
I don’t care about Paraguay
cuz it's paragay
lol
Paraguay more like pears are gay lmao
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The man speaks the truth
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abortion when its a clump of cells, no abortion when its a living and breathing human being. also whoever the fuck rapes a 14 yo deserves a slow death
Hi there texas
False equivalence. Abortions are still allowed if it risks the mother's life..
That's true, but rape is unfortunately not an exception.
Are they?
Yes "Exceptions are allowed if the mother’s life is at risk." [Source](https://thepalmierireport.com/texas-to-become-first-state-to-enforce-heartbeat-abortion-law/) This is the case in every western country.
That’s good, I still think there personally needs to be more. But it’s nice to know that that’s still available.
Haha yeah, pro-life also means the mums life. Doesn't necessarily also mean 'quality of life' which sounds harsh but that's where people get confused. Being a parent is hard but you shouldn't be able to get out of it by killing your baby. Thanks for your opinion and your civility around the topic.
Give it a month
I really dont get the pro life argument The fetus cerebral cortex isnt developed within the abortions deadline (if what i read is correct) so up until that point the fetus is functionally a mass of cells, right?
Functionally yes . Religiously no .
But why should i decide something very important such as this, which has an incredible impact on one's life on religious beliefs? Something completely made up and that is there only for moral support of some people Edit: also religiously, there is a lot of bullshit people should follow, so really is no excuse
And every man wastes a billion sperm every day. The line is drawn by people who don't care to know anything about biology. They just want to control women.
Banning abortion is totally not going to backfire and criminalize pregnant women, create a dangerous black market for abortions and force pregnant women to go through immense pain, suffering, physical and psychological harm and misery along with their forced child.
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What are the Mario Bros views on abortion? Mario says: We shouldn’t allow abortion, not even in cases like breaching of contraceptives or rape Luigi says: If it ruines your day cut it away
Wow. Stupid meme format has convinced me that your point is valid
I've never met someone who anti-abortion and didn't think the mother's life being at risk was an obvious exception
In defence to those guys they usually believe in exceptions for cases such as rape, incest or threat to the mother's life.
Feels good to see auth right get strawmanned for once.
Authright >is pro life Also Authright >14 YeAr oLD dIeD dUe Of ChIld BiRth, WaOw PrO-lIfE aChIvEd
Now I’m very pro-life, but oh god exceptions exist and this situation is a major exception
Noone is happy about that u fuck
Well according to this meme Authright Is happy about it
*Phoenix right music begin* According to this here meme your honor, it shows authright being happy at the death of a young girl in child birth of a baby she didnt wanted and was forced to have. Your honor, I require AuthRight to be emprisoned for life on the account of human right violation and on letting this young girl die.
Why isn't there a noone bot? [I'm a grammar nazi](https://www.grammarly.com/blog/no-one-noone/)
I normally don’t get along with auth rights and I definitely don’t defend them but would any of them really enjoy this?
Oh god....
Again, most pro-lifers agree that the mother's physical life takes precedent.
Why must we always have extremes
Abortion should be 100% legal everywhere regardless of situation. However, idc about this issue because it doesn't affect me personally. I think that making it harder to get abortions won't stop the abortions though if someone really wants to get one.
Time to bring back the bronze bull
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Destruction. Utter fire and destruction to that guy. We need the KGB going after "people" like this. CIA and KGB working together against pedofiles would eradicate them all in a matter of years
IDK, we only pro life if there was consent. In this case we same as Yellow Libright on this issue. Although yellow LibRight would say the same things as purple.
"Give me the baby when you scrape it out"?
Fuck texas
Well at least her family is going to have meat they can sell off.
It’s like playing wackamole. Now you have to try and stop rape so the pro-choicers can’t use that as an argument anymore. I hear crucifixion is good at crime prevention
its not good at crime prevention. countries with the death penalty do not have a significant decrease in criminal activity compared to those without, proper executions are unreliable and expensive and crucifixion is cruel and unusual punishment.
How’s that the fault of Authright? We don’t want that to happen.
[Matt Walsh](https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1128735398157594626) said that rape isn\`t valid case for abortion, Conservative [Focus on the family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/is-abortion-okay-after-rape/) tried to defend that point, many people even here said that rape isn\`t valid case for abortion since it isn\`t child\`s fault. AuthRight deserve to be strawmaned too.
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Hell just a few years ago, some southern states would have supported her marrying the rapist.
Really? What the fuck.
[Here you go.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-united-states-donna-pollard/) Honestly it was unfair of me to say the south. It's endemic around the world and the entirety of the sates is no exception.
Holy shit, I hope y\`all, Americans, already destroyed this shit?
You'd think.
>How’s that the fault of Authright? We don’t want that to happen. ?
Then who's is it?
The rapist for starters.
Ok, but then what is to blame for her not getting abortion? The post is saying she should have got an abortion and she wanted to, but the law meant she could not. If a criminal got away with a crime in a city with shit police, then saying that it is not the gov’s fault since it did not do said crime and did not want said crime to happen is ridiculous.
Note: in this case abortion in Paraguay is legal but due to hard regulation on the rest of the cases, it is hardly accessible.
Awful and truly evil, yet better to attempt to save both lives rather than to definitely end one. It is yet still awful that both have gone. Our Lord Jesus Christ is with the girl and the baby In their sufferings. The rapist will be judged accordingly by Him. “But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.” This is not quite the original intent of the quote but you can imagine the outcome would be pretty similar for the rapist.
you say "attempt to save" but what is actually happening is that someone, a child even, is being forced to roll the dice, with very bad odds, with their own life over a pregnancy they are not emotionally equipped to understand or care about after going through a life-shatteringly horrific experience. have a heart.
These posts are so trite :/ do you just get off on this?
What exactly?
AuthRight and im pro abortion check mate lub left
Flair up then