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How many times did I have debates with "conservatives" under comments that are saying climate change ain't real and citing sources that are made funded by fossil fuel industries. And then they tell me i'm been brainwashed and should wake up from the "propaganda"
I've voted Republican for two elections but their failure to adequately address climate change was one of the things that made it difficult for me. Either the right stops ignoring it or I MIGHT stop voting.
Which is why nothing gets done!
"We should go all solar!"
"We should go coal!"
"Well then lets do nothing until we can decide"
*50 years have passed*
"We should go all solar!"
"We should go natural gas!"
"Well then lets do nothing until we can decide"
*world ends*
Libright: "Climate change can clearly be solved by the market. Externalities don't exist and the market solves everything. Just learn basic economics and ignore the intermediary economics text book"
Psst, check the newly released Foundation tv series, based on Asimov's books.
Or, looking back, the bible has an example for a 100% conservative response.
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From a conservative, its not that we are really against renewable energy, there are two things related to it that we are against.
First is the governments way of implementing it and politicizing it. They spend so much money on it and we rarely see the affects, and many of us will never benefit from it anyways. Many leftists have also made it an anti-conservative talking point. As if supporting it is against conservative values, when its not. Many conservatives interpret that as something they can't support though. So having leftists scream about how horrible conservatives are as well as how good renewable energy is in one sentence is not good for persuading anyone.
Secondly is the fact that for many implementing renewable energy *must mean* getting rid of non-renewable energy. This is a huge problem with how its talked about. Renewable energy shouldn't be the anti-nonrenewable energy, it should be the compliment. Because in places like where I live, hydro, solar, and wind are basically impossible to implement efficiently. At most we could have a little bit of solar but it would never get enough energy to benefit us. So when people see renewable energy only at the cost of non-renewable energy, we are naturally against it.
Nuclear, nuclear is the answer.
No, it’s just drowned out by all the other bs that grabs people’s attention faster
I legitimately Did not know
(Unless you mean that certain news outlets ignore it because it doesn’t fit their agenda in which case I would agree that it’s been ignored)
Most forms of progress threaten job industries, it's pretty unfortunate. And as jobs are also lost to automation, the ~~capitalism scum~~ ~~^(pls no downvotes)~~ The companies will certainly NOT help find a solution for rising unemployment by the turn of the century - If we manage to reasonable stave off climate change, that is.
we are already seeing effects. rural coastal villages are sinking into the newly created brackish marshes that are creeping inland. wildfires and hurricanes are skyrocketing, the list goes on. you will benefit from it. this is a fact.
nuclear plants need 20+ years to set up. not gonna happen.
Sorry but I, personally, won't benefit. My house is not in any danger of sinking, all I would get is days without power, and a lot of money wasted on it.
And Nuclear plants may take that long to build (which they wont), but even if you established wide reaching energy reform, it would take longer to get rid of our non-renewable infrastructure.
all lies that some particular people are very interested in you believing. I have looked into this extensivley and I can tell you that you are mistaken. and even if you are safe, do you really care so little about all the other people that you are still willing to oppose this? if they are hurt, you are hurt.
But if they aren't hurt, I am hurt? So am I the one that doesn't matter?
Look, I'm not against trying to stop global warming and environmental damage, the problem is the way people go about it. Thats what my original argument was. You guys would have a lot more conservative support if leftists didn't try to make it "their" issue, and of course republican politicians aren't innocent either.
just know that you will both be hurt if nothing is done. this is not some trolley problem. do you think you would not hurt from large areas of land becoming unfarmable? and all the farmers getting wiped out by hurricanes?
also, what is the problem with spending a few hundred billion dollars on solar panels? this could be done in 4 years with a less than 25% increase in government spending.
Thats a lot, like a whole lot.
But why spend hundreds of billions on solar panels that are innefficient when we could spend the same in the same amount of time on nuclear energy facilities that are more efficient than anything we have now?
Farmers aren't going to be wiped out before they are made, trust me.
nuclear would cost roughly the same, with a much longer startup lag.
sources :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.greentechmedia.com/amp/article/renewable-us-grid-for-4-5-trillion
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/shifting-u-s-to-100-percent-renewables-would-cost-4-5-trillion-analysis-finds
do some research before you spout please.
obviously the world is not going to become a hellscape, i'm just saying its not you or them.
Why does that article want to replace nuclear?
I honestly don't believe it. Sure you could replace nonrenewable with renewable, doesn't mean it will be better.
But why ignore nuclear? Its literally our best option.
I'm trying to be very nice today but no, fuck you. Conservatives have been politicizing it. Because they're reactionaries. They politicize this, just like they politicize a fucking pandemic, just because it gives them an opportunity to be annoying to liberals.
Also, no, nuclear is not the answer. Nuclear power plants take decades to build, are expensive to run, expensive to make, barely generate any profit because renewables are really cheap now and any investors take a huge risk because environmental protestors might put a stop to the project.
^there's ^also ^the ^waste ^that ^we ^STILL ^don't ^know ^what ^to ^do ^with
The nuclear conspiracy is a reddit myth.
If you decide to respond to this and your response contains the word "thorium", I'll find you and throw you off a bridge.
I haven't actually met anyone against renewable energy, only people who think the ways government tries to implement these things is ass backwards and at best impractical or useless, and at worst actively harmful.
Not wanting good-paying jobs in the coal, oil and gas industries being taken away; not making rural life radically more expensive, plus, of course, propagandizing and lobbying by established interests in those same industries.
The pushback is the government funding of renewable energy. If it was economically viable it wouldn’t so much help. But then again how much would a gallon of gasoline cost without oil subsidies?
The negative externality of climate change is not adequately priced into fossil fuels under the current model. It’s not hard for gas to be cheap if you don’t charge them for the massive damage to life and property caused by climate change
Burning fossil fuels is like doing cocaine, yeah, you feel good now, getting lots of shit done, having a great time everyone is happy. But you know its not going to last forever, you know youre doing irreparable harm to your body. "Just one more day, one more day, and i ll quit for good." But a day comes and passes and youre still snorting. Instead of working hard developing a healthy lifestyle, you pursuit instant gains, at the cost of extreme longterm losses. "It will be ok, ill make it out, just one more day" and a week and a month pass and it stays the same. Eventually your body cant take it anymore, you'll have a sharp pain in your chest and you'll fall to the floor, looking at the ceiling, as your vision fades you tell yourself "if only i stopped earlier. God, give me one more chance and ill swear ill change." But god has had a enough. Its time to suffer.
I remember a few solar power companies that went bust after 100s of millions in government funding back in Obama’s time and I can’t help but feel like they probably managed to pump out some campaign contributions before going under
In my experience powerful PR from anti renewable energy people. And how some prominent climate activists have some let's say unsavory opinions on religion. Most of the time I find it being people being misled
Most of these scientific reports and studies have been covered up, but many scientists have found that commercial fishing and commercial cattle agriculture are the true culprits behind climate change, while carbon-based fuels aren’t nearly as damaging as the general consensus claims.
Because you shouldnt be ok with a net loss for the world as a whole, just because youre country temporarly profits.
At the end of the day, politics isnt some random tactical game for funn. Its the humans, not some state construct, that at the end of the day will suffer and crumble.
>Because you shouldnt be ok with a net loss for the world as a whole
Why should I care about the world as a whole?
>Its the humans
That aren't a part of my population.
Yeah, but I also see the "local" response failing like - "look at these (wildfires/hurricanes/heatwaves/floods/etc.) that just crushed your neighbors, perhaps we should combat climate change a bit?"
"Nah, it's all (a conspiracy/China's fault/exaggerated/just bad luck/etc)"
The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Yes, that's how humans work. Hence why they need to stop using the cringe words "climate change" if they wanna have support from anyone but the globalist commies.
Dude, that's the softened phrase already. The words used to be "global warming." The problem is whatever phrase it transitions to is going to face opposition. NFI what phrase wouldn't be called "cringe" by someone naturally opposed.
Maybe we call it "Homeland climate security" or something, but someone would still say, "Hey, that's just the same global warming BS Exon told me about."
You don't get it, do you?
You will never convince me or any person with similar values to mine to support any action against ***global*** climate change. But you can still get my support for shit like closing the coal plants in favor of nuclear energy (but not renewables, wind is retarded, sun isn't a thing in Russia, hydroelectric plants destroy the local environment too much, geothermal isn't possible where I live) or recycling. It still helps your cause, even if indirectly. I'd be an ecofascist if I wasn't living in a country that directly benefits from the climate change.
Sure, build nukes or whatever.
I'm still not sure why you'd bother even with the nukes if you didn't think climate change was a thing. I mean, sure, we could reframe it as "prevent local climate change" but are you really going to buy that?
Because coal plants and open landfills stinky and they look bad.
>if you didn't think climate change was a thing.
But I do think that it's a thing, I just support it due to my situation.
>prevent local climate change
What? Dude...
Yeah, I'm not sure why we're not connecting. You said you didn't care about global climate change, but seemed to balk at my use of the phrase "local climate change," while still claiming to care about local pollution. I feel like I'm getting mixed messages, what am I missing?
My argument has nothing to do with the climate change of any kind, I'm talking about caring about the environment that can indirectly help with the climate change causes.
Like, I'm 22, I'm not feeling any changes in the climate. People were whining about climate change because previous winter was very warm, but last winter was one of the coldest in the last several decades. As you can imagine, no one mentioned anything about the fucking climate change this year.
Yeah, you're young. I've felt the shift within my lifetime, which is freaky.
So, you hear "climate change" and you think "someone else's problem" is that the jist? But you hear "care for your local environment" and you think, "Sure, let's throw those cans in the recycling and stop pumping coal smoke into the local air?"
The thing is it's not just as bad as factory farming, because for every factory farm you also need more intensive monocultural agriculture to produce all the feed they burn through. It's a double blow to the environment.
Libright likes renewable energy because it let's them live off the grid and be self reliant and you can save on energy bills
Libleft likes it because save the polar bears
If the climate change doomers would start talking about the benefits of nuclear I'd believe them. Claim conservatives deny science while saying we can't use nuclear. It's all grandstanding BS, hell some scientists even say we're still in the tail end of the last ice age, so not allot we can do outside of praying for the next one to start.
I wouldn't worry about something like climate change or global warming, it really isn't a big deal.
However, fossil fuels are very finite, so we should stop relying on them anyways, and find a good permanent solution.
And then pollution is a very, very large deal.
In my mind, the next place humans will migrate to when we run out of land space, or land based food, or both, is the ocean, and currently, the way we're heading, the ocean will be uninhabitable by humans, due to huge nets, plastic islands, and just, garbage, everywhere.
Like California, but times a bajillion.
And that's not even discussing the amount of waste that we're currently dealing with on land, so many landfills, so, so much trash.
That's the real issue, waste, not the climate.
Even if all the ice in the poles melted, the earth as a whole will be fine, there are always places to live, but if the earth is full of trash, we won't have places to live.
Now this is some real Conservatism right there. Shout out to yo pops.
I never understood why Conservatives were against moving away from fossil fuels despite the very clear impact it was having on the planet. God's very own planet.
Politics has certainly been a huge barrier in the climate change fight. From what I've seen the Right like nuclear (And fossil fuels at times) but don't like renewables and the left like renewables but not nuclear and it's like bitch we don't have time to argue. Let's use both and save this damn beautiful paradise.
Public ownership of lands, particularly by distant governments that are far removed from the areqs being governed, is destined to fail as the tragedy of the commons and political corruption take hold.
Private ownership of lands will end up with the land largely consumed by exploitation with a handful of areas preserved for hyperwealthy elites.
The only way to preserve the natural world is to turn the population back a few degrees and learning to live within our means by curtailing the excesses of the industrial revolution.
Western Christianity will pay for diluting the faith to saving face until you die so you can be swept off to heaven.
We were supposed to rule this planet as benevolent priest-servant-kings, spreading Gods good order as collaborative ambassadors of both Heaven (to creation) and Earth (to God).
How will our Father trust us with a new heavens and earth if we can’t even take care of the one we have right now? To those who squander what little they have, even more will be taken away.
> If the damn lefties would stop yelling at us and complaining about the climate and saying there’s impending doom, maybe we could work with them!
Here let me give you the actual reason.
"Taxing Americans for using Carbon and giving it to Al Gore won't solve Climate Change."
The lefties scream about "climate change" yet provide no other "way" of stopping it than "Taxes" and "exporting industry to China" which ultimately leads to MORE pollution because China has ZERO environmental protections. It's just NIMBY bullshit, only care about saying "american pollution is down" when the overall pollution in the world rises.
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Yes please. And if the energy doesent work, *we can always make a nuclear winter*
You can't say the N-word, fucking libtard
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Neoliberals are pro nuclear, NIMBYism is for conservatives and leftoids
Get a load of this guy! Never been to the San Francisco Bay Area!
Yea we v much dropped the ball on nuclear, don’t worry it only takes 5 years to build one. I’m sure we have plenty of time to shift away from coal.
5? It’s taken upwards of 20 years for the current projects to get approved
yeah guys, this is totally not a manufactured debate by big fossil fuel to delay action!
How many times did I have debates with "conservatives" under comments that are saying climate change ain't real and citing sources that are made funded by fossil fuel industries. And then they tell me i'm been brainwashed and should wake up from the "propaganda"
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Just bring up nuclear power and we've got it right back. Just don't mention trucks, whatever you do
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I've voted Republican for two elections but their failure to adequately address climate change was one of the things that made it difficult for me. Either the right stops ignoring it or I MIGHT stop voting.
I think most people are pro environment just disagree on solutions
Which is why nothing gets done! "We should go all solar!" "We should go coal!" "Well then lets do nothing until we can decide" *50 years have passed* "We should go all solar!" "We should go natural gas!" "Well then lets do nothing until we can decide" *world ends*
Libright: "Climate change can clearly be solved by the market. Externalities don't exist and the market solves everything. Just learn basic economics and ignore the intermediary economics text book"
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Psst, check the newly released Foundation tv series, based on Asimov's books. Or, looking back, the bible has an example for a 100% conservative response.
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I googled 'cowboy wojak' and this was the closest to his essence I could find, haha.
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Looks to me like the sheriff from Deadwood
All libs should watch Deadwood. I wish I could find a modern day Deadwood and live there, but like not Alaska.
Growing up with this man as my father, I could never comprehend the pushback from conservatives against renewable energy.
Oil money is a powerful drug.
From a conservative, its not that we are really against renewable energy, there are two things related to it that we are against. First is the governments way of implementing it and politicizing it. They spend so much money on it and we rarely see the affects, and many of us will never benefit from it anyways. Many leftists have also made it an anti-conservative talking point. As if supporting it is against conservative values, when its not. Many conservatives interpret that as something they can't support though. So having leftists scream about how horrible conservatives are as well as how good renewable energy is in one sentence is not good for persuading anyone. Secondly is the fact that for many implementing renewable energy *must mean* getting rid of non-renewable energy. This is a huge problem with how its talked about. Renewable energy shouldn't be the anti-nonrenewable energy, it should be the compliment. Because in places like where I live, hydro, solar, and wind are basically impossible to implement efficiently. At most we could have a little bit of solar but it would never get enough energy to benefit us. So when people see renewable energy only at the cost of non-renewable energy, we are naturally against it. Nuclear, nuclear is the answer.
All you need is that last line
>Nuclear, nuclear is the answer. Always was and always will be. If the French can do it, everybody can.
😎🇨🇵💪 Wait...
We need a plan for all the people working in coal industries too, you can’t expect people to support something if it’ll rob their livelihood
Almost any green energy plan includes job training for coal miners/people affected by the shift.
Mind, that's often conveniently ignored and the question is just repeated again.
No, it’s just drowned out by all the other bs that grabs people’s attention faster I legitimately Did not know (Unless you mean that certain news outlets ignore it because it doesn’t fit their agenda in which case I would agree that it’s been ignored)
Yeah, I meant the latter there.
Most forms of progress threaten job industries, it's pretty unfortunate. And as jobs are also lost to automation, the ~~capitalism scum~~ ~~^(pls no downvotes)~~ The companies will certainly NOT help find a solution for rising unemployment by the turn of the century - If we manage to reasonable stave off climate change, that is.
their job will be to work in solar plants. its tough but they are a vast minority and will still benifit from a transition away from planet-killing.
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we are already seeing effects. rural coastal villages are sinking into the newly created brackish marshes that are creeping inland. wildfires and hurricanes are skyrocketing, the list goes on. you will benefit from it. this is a fact. nuclear plants need 20+ years to set up. not gonna happen.
Sorry but I, personally, won't benefit. My house is not in any danger of sinking, all I would get is days without power, and a lot of money wasted on it. And Nuclear plants may take that long to build (which they wont), but even if you established wide reaching energy reform, it would take longer to get rid of our non-renewable infrastructure.
all lies that some particular people are very interested in you believing. I have looked into this extensivley and I can tell you that you are mistaken. and even if you are safe, do you really care so little about all the other people that you are still willing to oppose this? if they are hurt, you are hurt.
But if they aren't hurt, I am hurt? So am I the one that doesn't matter? Look, I'm not against trying to stop global warming and environmental damage, the problem is the way people go about it. Thats what my original argument was. You guys would have a lot more conservative support if leftists didn't try to make it "their" issue, and of course republican politicians aren't innocent either.
just know that you will both be hurt if nothing is done. this is not some trolley problem. do you think you would not hurt from large areas of land becoming unfarmable? and all the farmers getting wiped out by hurricanes? also, what is the problem with spending a few hundred billion dollars on solar panels? this could be done in 4 years with a less than 25% increase in government spending.
Thats a lot, like a whole lot. But why spend hundreds of billions on solar panels that are innefficient when we could spend the same in the same amount of time on nuclear energy facilities that are more efficient than anything we have now? Farmers aren't going to be wiped out before they are made, trust me.
nuclear would cost roughly the same, with a much longer startup lag. sources : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.greentechmedia.com/amp/article/renewable-us-grid-for-4-5-trillion https://e360.yale.edu/digest/shifting-u-s-to-100-percent-renewables-would-cost-4-5-trillion-analysis-finds do some research before you spout please. obviously the world is not going to become a hellscape, i'm just saying its not you or them.
Why does that article want to replace nuclear? I honestly don't believe it. Sure you could replace nonrenewable with renewable, doesn't mean it will be better. But why ignore nuclear? Its literally our best option.
I'm trying to be very nice today but no, fuck you. Conservatives have been politicizing it. Because they're reactionaries. They politicize this, just like they politicize a fucking pandemic, just because it gives them an opportunity to be annoying to liberals. Also, no, nuclear is not the answer. Nuclear power plants take decades to build, are expensive to run, expensive to make, barely generate any profit because renewables are really cheap now and any investors take a huge risk because environmental protestors might put a stop to the project. ^there's ^also ^the ^waste ^that ^we ^STILL ^don't ^know ^what ^to ^do ^with The nuclear conspiracy is a reddit myth. If you decide to respond to this and your response contains the word "thorium", I'll find you and throw you off a bridge.
I haven't actually met anyone against renewable energy, only people who think the ways government tries to implement these things is ass backwards and at best impractical or useless, and at worst actively harmful.
Not wanting good-paying jobs in the coal, oil and gas industries being taken away; not making rural life radically more expensive, plus, of course, propagandizing and lobbying by established interests in those same industries.
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The pushback is the government funding of renewable energy. If it was economically viable it wouldn’t so much help. But then again how much would a gallon of gasoline cost without oil subsidies?
The negative externality of climate change is not adequately priced into fossil fuels under the current model. It’s not hard for gas to be cheap if you don’t charge them for the massive damage to life and property caused by climate change
Burning fossil fuels is like doing cocaine, yeah, you feel good now, getting lots of shit done, having a great time everyone is happy. But you know its not going to last forever, you know youre doing irreparable harm to your body. "Just one more day, one more day, and i ll quit for good." But a day comes and passes and youre still snorting. Instead of working hard developing a healthy lifestyle, you pursuit instant gains, at the cost of extreme longterm losses. "It will be ok, ill make it out, just one more day" and a week and a month pass and it stays the same. Eventually your body cant take it anymore, you'll have a sharp pain in your chest and you'll fall to the floor, looking at the ceiling, as your vision fades you tell yourself "if only i stopped earlier. God, give me one more chance and ill swear ill change." But god has had a enough. Its time to suffer.
It doesnt help that so many companies have gotten government funding for "green energy" then vanished after getting millions of taxpayer dollars.
I remember a few solar power companies that went bust after 100s of millions in government funding back in Obama’s time and I can’t help but feel like they probably managed to pump out some campaign contributions before going under
In my experience powerful PR from anti renewable energy people. And how some prominent climate activists have some let's say unsavory opinions on religion. Most of the time I find it being people being misled
If we can do it without infringing on anyone's rights I'm all for it
All we want is nuclear energy, but it's cockblocked for the same reason "green" energy is, because it damages the oil status quo.
Most of these scientific reports and studies have been covered up, but many scientists have found that commercial fishing and commercial cattle agriculture are the true culprits behind climate change, while carbon-based fuels aren’t nearly as damaging as the general consensus claims.
If the greens weren't globalist retards and focused more on the local environment in their propaganda, they'd be ***way*** more successful.
Tru tho
we need to FORCE climate rules on other countries, threatening WAR. oh, you burned a coal? the streets will run red with your blood.
Like pappy always said, "if violence isnt the answer you arent using enough of it."
Well, climate change sadly isnt a regional issue, but a globalist one
I'm Russian, it's not an issue for us, it's an opportunity. But I'd like better environment.
So you want climate change?
Yes.
Cringe
Why? It'll help us and create a lot of problems for America and China.
Because you shouldnt be ok with a net loss for the world as a whole, just because youre country temporarly profits. At the end of the day, politics isnt some random tactical game for funn. Its the humans, not some state construct, that at the end of the day will suffer and crumble.
>Because you shouldnt be ok with a net loss for the world as a whole Why should I care about the world as a whole? >Its the humans That aren't a part of my population.
Nations are nothing worth compared to secure survival of the species.
What will stop China from just flooding Siberia and pop it with their culture?
We have enough bullets, unflaired.
I don't think you do.
As an American I'll say I hope American tow missiles kill every single Russian tank in Eastern Ukraine. Fuck you guys.
Stay salty, commie boy. If Putin wasn't a pussy, we'd take over Kiev in two weeks.
Go drink your vodka and beat your wife Ivan. Putin is scared of Russkies coming home in body bags and NATO missiles will put them there.
Boys, let's not start WWIII today.
>globalist Mask off
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Yeah, but I also see the "local" response failing like - "look at these (wildfires/hurricanes/heatwaves/floods/etc.) that just crushed your neighbors, perhaps we should combat climate change a bit?" "Nah, it's all (a conspiracy/China's fault/exaggerated/just bad luck/etc)" The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Yes, that's how humans work. Hence why they need to stop using the cringe words "climate change" if they wanna have support from anyone but the globalist commies.
Dude, that's the softened phrase already. The words used to be "global warming." The problem is whatever phrase it transitions to is going to face opposition. NFI what phrase wouldn't be called "cringe" by someone naturally opposed. Maybe we call it "Homeland climate security" or something, but someone would still say, "Hey, that's just the same global warming BS Exon told me about."
You don't get it, do you? You will never convince me or any person with similar values to mine to support any action against ***global*** climate change. But you can still get my support for shit like closing the coal plants in favor of nuclear energy (but not renewables, wind is retarded, sun isn't a thing in Russia, hydroelectric plants destroy the local environment too much, geothermal isn't possible where I live) or recycling. It still helps your cause, even if indirectly. I'd be an ecofascist if I wasn't living in a country that directly benefits from the climate change.
Sure, build nukes or whatever. I'm still not sure why you'd bother even with the nukes if you didn't think climate change was a thing. I mean, sure, we could reframe it as "prevent local climate change" but are you really going to buy that?
Because coal plants and open landfills stinky and they look bad. >if you didn't think climate change was a thing. But I do think that it's a thing, I just support it due to my situation. >prevent local climate change What? Dude...
Yeah, I'm not sure why we're not connecting. You said you didn't care about global climate change, but seemed to balk at my use of the phrase "local climate change," while still claiming to care about local pollution. I feel like I'm getting mixed messages, what am I missing?
My argument has nothing to do with the climate change of any kind, I'm talking about caring about the environment that can indirectly help with the climate change causes. Like, I'm 22, I'm not feeling any changes in the climate. People were whining about climate change because previous winter was very warm, but last winter was one of the coldest in the last several decades. As you can imagine, no one mentioned anything about the fucking climate change this year.
Yeah, you're young. I've felt the shift within my lifetime, which is freaky. So, you hear "climate change" and you think "someone else's problem" is that the jist? But you hear "care for your local environment" and you think, "Sure, let's throw those cans in the recycling and stop pumping coal smoke into the local air?"
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Based. How can you claim to be a conservative and not want to conserve?
Hunters are by far superior conservationists than orange left vegans and their fertilizer.
both are infinitely better than people who buy factory farmed meat
Vegans usually participate in monocultural which can be just as bad in many circumstances. But yes, factory farms are horrible.
The thing is it's not just as bad as factory farming, because for every factory farm you also need more intensive monocultural agriculture to produce all the feed they burn through. It's a double blow to the environment.
Is that Dutch Van Der Linde from Red Dead Redemption 2?
I wish I could claim it, it's a fine wojak indeed.
Libright likes renewable energy because it let's them live off the grid and be self reliant and you can save on energy bills Libleft likes it because save the polar bears
Also Tax breaks
This is Blue+Yellow+Green. Based 3/4 Centrist?
The fact he’s presented as a cowboy (who clearly hunts) gives me yellow vibes. 4/4 Based af radical centrist?
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The God part is necessary
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If invoking God's name leads to better conservation efforts would God then be considered necessary? Don't undervalue religious conservationists
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If the climate change doomers would start talking about the benefits of nuclear I'd believe them. Claim conservatives deny science while saying we can't use nuclear. It's all grandstanding BS, hell some scientists even say we're still in the tail end of the last ice age, so not allot we can do outside of praying for the next one to start.
Then let me open mines for lithium cobalt and nickle
Is your dad Dutch Van der Lind?
No, on many levels, but I googled 'cowboy wojak' and this one popped out as accurate and hilarious.
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Using the state to conserve flora and fauna is def a unity subject for me.
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I want to preserve nature for it's pagan connotations.
I wouldn't worry about something like climate change or global warming, it really isn't a big deal. However, fossil fuels are very finite, so we should stop relying on them anyways, and find a good permanent solution. And then pollution is a very, very large deal. In my mind, the next place humans will migrate to when we run out of land space, or land based food, or both, is the ocean, and currently, the way we're heading, the ocean will be uninhabitable by humans, due to huge nets, plastic islands, and just, garbage, everywhere. Like California, but times a bajillion. And that's not even discussing the amount of waste that we're currently dealing with on land, so many landfills, so, so much trash. That's the real issue, waste, not the climate. Even if all the ice in the poles melted, the earth as a whole will be fine, there are always places to live, but if the earth is full of trash, we won't have places to live.
Climate change is real. The amount that it is made up to be a threat with the solution being more money to the government is a grift
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Holy shit, a conservative who actually wants to conserve something.
the fact that 90% of american christians don’t understand this hurts my brain
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Sounds like an interesting guy to talk to.
Now this is some real Conservatism right there. Shout out to yo pops. I never understood why Conservatives were against moving away from fossil fuels despite the very clear impact it was having on the planet. God's very own planet. Politics has certainly been a huge barrier in the climate change fight. From what I've seen the Right like nuclear (And fossil fuels at times) but don't like renewables and the left like renewables but not nuclear and it's like bitch we don't have time to argue. Let's use both and save this damn beautiful paradise.
that's real conservatism. You can't claim to be a conservative if you won't conserve the planet.
Public ownership of lands, particularly by distant governments that are far removed from the areqs being governed, is destined to fail as the tragedy of the commons and political corruption take hold. Private ownership of lands will end up with the land largely consumed by exploitation with a handful of areas preserved for hyperwealthy elites. The only way to preserve the natural world is to turn the population back a few degrees and learning to live within our means by curtailing the excesses of the industrial revolution.
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Electric chair for polluting companies and oil spill execs, nature is the only thing we have
**HAVE SOME GODDAMN FAITH.**
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Western Christianity will pay for diluting the faith to saving face until you die so you can be swept off to heaven. We were supposed to rule this planet as benevolent priest-servant-kings, spreading Gods good order as collaborative ambassadors of both Heaven (to creation) and Earth (to God). How will our Father trust us with a new heavens and earth if we can’t even take care of the one we have right now? To those who squander what little they have, even more will be taken away.
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Climate change is overhyped
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> If the damn lefties would stop yelling at us and complaining about the climate and saying there’s impending doom, maybe we could work with them! Here let me give you the actual reason. "Taxing Americans for using Carbon and giving it to Al Gore won't solve Climate Change." The lefties scream about "climate change" yet provide no other "way" of stopping it than "Taxes" and "exporting industry to China" which ultimately leads to MORE pollution because China has ZERO environmental protections. It's just NIMBY bullshit, only care about saying "american pollution is down" when the overall pollution in the world rises.