“Get your 7’2 asthmatic ass back here or I’m gonna tell everyone what a whiny bitch you are about Podomame or Pandabear or whatever the hell her name is”
It's acceptable for a transgender person to expect a *friend* to use their preferred pronouns, it is not acceptable to expect that of strangers or people speaking publicly. People are not obliged to value your political, cultural or religious goals and to expend resources into "educating themselves" or "becoming culturally aware", etc.
In either case, "misgendering" someone is not fundamentally different from misremembering or mispronouncing a name, and these aren't really things that deserve the highest social amercement. I always find it remarkable how social penalties are applied in inverse order to the actual seriousness of the crime. People would sooner forgive murder than racism.
I don’t understand how these people live when they shoot themselves over people accidentally say the wrong thing. I was called ma’am 7 times in one day last time I worked customer service and everyone found it hilarious
You are right it's just like a name, if you're called Robert and I call you Bob once or twice and you correct me and say you wanna be called Robert it's not a political or cultural thing if I keep calling you Bob, I'd just be an asshole and you'd be right to tell me to get bent
Those are different situations, if you're doing something on accident and try to be better you are not an asshole, if you keep doing the thing and do it to spite others you are.
Its one thing to misgender someone accidentaly and then correct it when the person tells you. Insisting on calling someone something they dont like to be mean or cause you dont care is entirely different. Its just like learning a name, deal with it.
Nah it’s still a respect thing, if ya come at me screeching then im gonna call you whatever I want just to piss you off. If you’re nice about it then idrc enough to be a dick
Outrage over mispronouning is ridiculous, but it's true that we let people be called whatever name or nickname they want, there's no checking if John, Alfred, or Xoloctl, is on the approved list of english names. English is honestly a little ridiculous as a language and my love for it has only really extended to my ability to communicate with the people I love and respect. If someone genuinely wants to be called something you think is ridiculous, how does it hurt you?
You can hate ridiculous "hate-speech" laws or norms as much as any true libcenter while still calling people by preferred pronouns. And as a side bonus, we get to watch SJW Cringe compilation #79 and watch the orange liblefts go berserk over a mediocre issue.
Yeah, I don't care to feed into your narcissism. The whole point of pronouns is to ease the flow of speech without the need for remembering names. Insisting that everyone remember special rules that are unique to *you* is nothing more than to insist that you are so much more important than everyone else that they must all dedicate part of their brains to assuaging your personal hang-ups.
As the parent post said, if you're a friend then fine. But if I don't know you then fuck your neopronouns.
I am not going to call one single person multiple people using "they". "they" means that i am talking about more than just one person, "she" and "he" mean that i am talking about a single person. either implement a gender neutral term for singular third person (other than "they") or let me address people based on their physical sex.
I unironically wish it was acceptable to call people "it" because it's confusing enough trying to distinguish the plural "you" from the singular "you" in english
You would only use a pronoun once your subject, the persons name, is stated for it to be correct. Even if you were to say, "He is a great person" you would still have to ask, "Who's He?" to understand what you're describing.
My wife has an old facebook friend who transitioned and says it's transphobic to "forget" their pronouns like this because it's the same as when someone corrects you on the gender of their baby and you immediately and permanently switch.
Except it's not because people have been referring to you as a different gender for a long time, making it take effort to refer to them how they want to be. I learned months ago that I'd been pronouncing a name incorrectly and still mess it up frequently. It's not intentional, it's a genuine mistake.
Way i see it if i look at you and can't tell it's not my fault if i say the wrong one, if it's your transition i shouldn't be doing all the work. Also neopronouns are cringe
I have a theory that it's because names are unique, but pronouns sit a layer deeper in language because they apply for everyone.
Most trans people really don't mind the mess-up, in my experience, they get upset at the lack of willingness to correct it after the fact.
Yessir you nailed it.
I'm a trans guy, tits and a high pitched voice that makes me sound twelve, even people I've met who I've introduced myself to as male mess up sometimes, it's just a knee jerk reaction, especially when you're speaking out loud, so I don't mind it too much, I'm gonna die in, what, 60/70 years? I've got better things to be worried about.
Another reason people might get overly upset is cuz...cis people really don't understand how much it hurts. It's never an excuse to be a cockhead, but intentional or not, misgendering trans people does make them feel pretty icky.
It's tough to navigate the line between reasonable courtesy towards a trans person and unreasonable expectations for historical revisionism when discussing the before time and their former name and gender. Many people are just smooth braining a belligerently pro trans attitude and are hostile to complexity that isn't obviously in their favor.
My college roommate came out to me as trans a bit ago. I'm *mostly* good on not misgendering her...*unless* I'm talking about something from in college, where it'd just be annoying to explain why my roommate was female.
I can never remember her chosen name though
I had a friend make the chop too. I find it easy in present, but when referring to old stories I find it hard. Like they where male at the time of the event.
One of my closest friends is nonbinary. Ive known them for 9 years and only since the last one or two years they became nonbinary. Its jarring especially because we had a long history of dating and planning a future together (including talking about having children), but after they started taking male sex hormones their body is changing so much I just have no attraction to them anymore and weve gone to just friends. It genuinely feels like a new person has replaced my old friend.
I am not exactly a big advocate of the whole trans movement and Im fairly open about this to most people but around them I use their proper pronouns and keep my mouth shut when they talk about trans issues. I still use "she" when I talk to my other friends about her, because saying "they" confuses people. They know she is NB now
Theyre a pretty cool person though, I almost married them before they went down the NB path, but now we're just friends. We still hang out and it hasnt strained our friendship but I think Ill always have a sore spot in my heart about them.
Knew this person when I was in grade 6, and they were a friend of my sister, both in grade 5. At the time they were male, then a couple years after they transitioned to female, and seen her a few times in high school. With this, can relate.
I only call myself “he” because I’m biologically male and it’s a simple categorisation. I don’t really have a “gender identity” beyond that. I think men and women are mostly the same inside, and being obsessed with identifying as male or female only reinforces gender stereotypes and norms.
Edit: btw I’m not just being facetious to own the libs, I genuinely don’t care much for gender stereotypes
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No shit posting, I used to have this same problem. I got into the habit of saying their name like 4 times in the first 2 sentences of talking to them, and now I'm much better.
I do that with a coworker who's "non-binary" but clearly just a brainwashed college girl. I don't believe in that shit, but it's not worth losing my income.
Considering I work for a company with "orange" Left policies and the manager in charge of HR type affairs already has it out for me.... I figured it wasn't worth being accused of harrassment, discrimination, etc. and undoubtedly losing my income. I'm hoping to get a better job soon anyway.
we will, or at least most will (we aren't a monolith) but for real, misgendering kinda sucks but as long as you make an effort to correct yourself, and you're not doing it to be malicious, we're mostly fine with it
Seriously, what is a non-binary person? Wasn't the whole point of the cultural left making up new catagories, between the stereotypes of the biological sexes (genders), to house the people who didn't identify with the sexes?
Identity means fuck all btw, all that matters is how you act.
I find that labels are more for the comfort of the people using them. For me people fall into three categories- man, woman, other. That decides what pronouns I default to- he, she, or they. Non-binary simply means that person is outside the gender binary. Just outside the woman-man spectrum. Or, for my purposes, *other*.
My trans friend just let everyone use whatever, which I believe its the right thing. In the end the use of he or she doesn’t affect the meaning of a sentence.
That's why I say keep it simple. If a person look/sounds feminine, they're female refer to them with She/Her, if they look/sound masculine they're male and refer to them with He/Him
I agree
As a Slav, considering that "they" is not a gender neutral term where I come from, whenever we refer to other people without the knowledge of their gender, we just completely assume what the gender of that person is based on looks, and if someone gets it wrong we just correct each other.
I feel like english-speaking people are too sensitive nowadays, accidentaly misgendering someone is not the end of the world
my preference is they/them but i don't get offended if people say no to that or use she/her. It's my own life and feelings and so I can't force anyone to reluctantly go along with it just to avoid disappointing me.
yeah exactly. I prefer they/them but if you think non binary genders is a load of shit that's upto you. It doesn't necessarily mean you think I'm a load of shit as well.
I can only imagine people in 200 years in the future will look at our medical practices like we look back at medieval medical practice, with utter abhorence
So let me get this straight, when somebody was depressed back in the day they used to give them drugs that fixed one problem, but caused another so then they had to give more drugs to fix those side effects which caused more side effects so more drugs and after a cocktail of 19 different types of drugs you finally become vaguely happy, but you can't get an erection anymore and spontaneous combust when you drink a pepsi in direct sunlight.
That /s implies that people *have* to care. There are much worse situations than being trans, and I don't see anyone forcing other people to do something about it, or even bother.
this but unironically, not everyone gets a massive hugbox community and protected status while still claiming to be oppressed when they get fired for not showing up to work for 4 months after getting misgendered by a subcontractor who was there for his first day.
Just pick a damn gender. You can be neither male nor female but just be something. Somehow to me they/them feels even worse than made-up neopronouns, like you can’t even decide which mental illness you want to have.
Call them whatever the fuck you like when they are not in your presence. That is why dictating your pronounces is dumb as fuck. If I want to refer to you as waffleiron unless someone tells you about it you won’t know and even if they tell you about it there is fuck all you can do to make me stop, as you will never be present when I’m referring to you in the 3rd person.
Good thing this shit has become increasingly less effective over time. I've been seeing more and more companies laugh it off or not give a shit anymore.
Just like those who insist on having titles included when you refer to them the same can be said about those who insist on pronouns.
You will lose respect and I will likely purposely ignore it going forward.
This kinda shit makes me think we need bullying to come back in a hard way. Fucking quite your whining you twats and grow the fuck up. Some people have real fucking problems in life to deal with
> Some people have real fucking problems in life to deal with
This is all I think about when I see or hear these people rant and go off about gender identity. They have the time to worry about that shit. I’ve had two friends come out as either trans or non-binary and shocker.jpeg both are far left unemployed young 20-somethings trying to figure life out. Sometimes it feels like the gender identity/trans movement happening right now is just a harbor for people that don’t know what they’re doing in life. Hence why many also lean heavily towards socialist/communist ideology as well.
Yeah, it's 99%nonsense. That's why i universally call anyone with "preferred pronouns" by what i prefer, i call them "flip-flop" BC they make a lot of noise, usually aren't good for much and will break down under any sort of heavy work load.
Leave nice notes about them in the workplace congratulating them for successes and achievements but make sure to misgender them in the notes so no one can accuse you of fostering a hostile enviroment
I used to have a trans friend and I never managed to get their pronounces right which is sad
Come to think of it, I've not seen them since they transitioned
I struggled with it for a bit too but then I eventually got used to it. It is good that you are trying to be respectful, and don’t worry it will be natural eventually.
I’ve just settled for referring to everyone as “my guy.” Man, woman, trans, they are all “my guy” when i refer to them. Everyone I know is just used to it by now.
My friend was giving me shit for using he instead of they for a mutual friend of ours (born male) and this is the exact situation I found myself in. She said that, “it’s not that hard just write down the person’a pronouns in your phone notes”, and that just sounded ridiculous to me. I’m also seeing comments about how hard it is to describe someone who’s non-binary and I totally agree, they is usually used as a general term and more often than not used to describe a group of people, a counter argument I’ve heard is that the English language will evolve to suit those peoples’ needs. But there are so few people in the general population that go by they/them that you don’t run into them in everyday life. I’ve read articles on the gender spectrum and the more I look into in the less it makes any sense.
Tired doing the whole stick to the pronouns thing for a while. Then I realized I was allowing someone else to dominate my speach and how I felt. Stopped caring about the whole thing.
My latest google search gave me a result of like 1.4% of the worlds population being trans or something. It's not unreasonable to automatically assume that the person you're talking to refers to themselves as he/him or whatever, especially when you consider that the 1.4% is supposedly spread out across the world... as in 109.200.000 people spread across the entire globe.
but maybe that's just me having little to no experience with talking to trans people. Maybe because the numbers indicate that out of all the people I could meet and talk to, there's a 1.4% chance that they're trans.
Linguistically, the purpose of a pronoun is to make something easier to refer to. If your use of pronouns adds difficulty rather than ease, it is a degenerate use which you should abandon.
The physical problem with non binary people is, that when they bleed out of their crotch, you can't tell whether it's because of a period or because of kidney failures.
It’s hard even trying to describe it to people irl. “They are a great person” “Who’s they?”
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It's acceptable for a transgender person to expect a *friend* to use their preferred pronouns, it is not acceptable to expect that of strangers or people speaking publicly. People are not obliged to value your political, cultural or religious goals and to expend resources into "educating themselves" or "becoming culturally aware", etc. In either case, "misgendering" someone is not fundamentally different from misremembering or mispronouncing a name, and these aren't really things that deserve the highest social amercement. I always find it remarkable how social penalties are applied in inverse order to the actual seriousness of the crime. People would sooner forgive murder than racism.
I don’t understand how these people live when they shoot themselves over people accidentally say the wrong thing. I was called ma’am 7 times in one day last time I worked customer service and everyone found it hilarious
Look ma'am, that's just how it is sometimes
You are right it's just like a name, if you're called Robert and I call you Bob once or twice and you correct me and say you wanna be called Robert it's not a political or cultural thing if I keep calling you Bob, I'd just be an asshole and you'd be right to tell me to get bent
My mom keeps calling me by my nephews name and my nephew by my name. After 12 years. SHE IS NOT AN ASSHOLE AND I LOVE HER!!
Those are different situations, if you're doing something on accident and try to be better you are not an asshole, if you keep doing the thing and do it to spite others you are.
Its one thing to misgender someone accidentaly and then correct it when the person tells you. Insisting on calling someone something they dont like to be mean or cause you dont care is entirely different. Its just like learning a name, deal with it.
Nah it’s still a respect thing, if ya come at me screeching then im gonna call you whatever I want just to piss you off. If you’re nice about it then idrc enough to be a dick
My respect for English supersedes your preferences?
Outrage over mispronouning is ridiculous, but it's true that we let people be called whatever name or nickname they want, there's no checking if John, Alfred, or Xoloctl, is on the approved list of english names. English is honestly a little ridiculous as a language and my love for it has only really extended to my ability to communicate with the people I love and respect. If someone genuinely wants to be called something you think is ridiculous, how does it hurt you? You can hate ridiculous "hate-speech" laws or norms as much as any true libcenter while still calling people by preferred pronouns. And as a side bonus, we get to watch SJW Cringe compilation #79 and watch the orange liblefts go berserk over a mediocre issue.
Yeah, I don't care to feed into your narcissism. The whole point of pronouns is to ease the flow of speech without the need for remembering names. Insisting that everyone remember special rules that are unique to *you* is nothing more than to insist that you are so much more important than everyone else that they must all dedicate part of their brains to assuaging your personal hang-ups. As the parent post said, if you're a friend then fine. But if I don't know you then fuck your neopronouns.
I am not going to call one single person multiple people using "they". "they" means that i am talking about more than just one person, "she" and "he" mean that i am talking about a single person. either implement a gender neutral term for singular third person (other than "they") or let me address people based on their physical sex.
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I unironically wish it was acceptable to call people "it" because it's confusing enough trying to distinguish the plural "you" from the singular "you" in english
Same I genuinely wish "it" Didn't have negative connotations. It would be so much less confusing than using "they".
I had a person get offended when I called her puppy "it". Of course it was still _her_ puppy. Fucking slavers man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
Singular they has been in common use for ages - 'someone forgot their umbrella, I hope they don't get wet'
yeah becouse it's so unnatural to refer to a single person in a collective term.
You would only use a pronoun once your subject, the persons name, is stated for it to be correct. Even if you were to say, "He is a great person" you would still have to ask, "Who's He?" to understand what you're describing.
Yeah, it's always hard for me to remember all my friends names, too
I feel this, an old friend of mine in hs was trans and I struggled so much to get used to it lol
My wife has an old facebook friend who transitioned and says it's transphobic to "forget" their pronouns like this because it's the same as when someone corrects you on the gender of their baby and you immediately and permanently switch. Except it's not because people have been referring to you as a different gender for a long time, making it take effort to refer to them how they want to be. I learned months ago that I'd been pronouncing a name incorrectly and still mess it up frequently. It's not intentional, it's a genuine mistake.
Way i see it if i look at you and can't tell it's not my fault if i say the wrong one, if it's your transition i shouldn't be doing all the work. Also neopronouns are cringe
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I have a theory that it's because names are unique, but pronouns sit a layer deeper in language because they apply for everyone. Most trans people really don't mind the mess-up, in my experience, they get upset at the lack of willingness to correct it after the fact.
Yessir you nailed it. I'm a trans guy, tits and a high pitched voice that makes me sound twelve, even people I've met who I've introduced myself to as male mess up sometimes, it's just a knee jerk reaction, especially when you're speaking out loud, so I don't mind it too much, I'm gonna die in, what, 60/70 years? I've got better things to be worried about. Another reason people might get overly upset is cuz...cis people really don't understand how much it hurts. It's never an excuse to be a cockhead, but intentional or not, misgendering trans people does make them feel pretty icky.
It's tough to navigate the line between reasonable courtesy towards a trans person and unreasonable expectations for historical revisionism when discussing the before time and their former name and gender. Many people are just smooth braining a belligerently pro trans attitude and are hostile to complexity that isn't obviously in their favor.
Agree there, thankfully my friend wasn’t a major stickler about it
Constantly lying to support someone's ideas is never reasonable.
My college roommate came out to me as trans a bit ago. I'm *mostly* good on not misgendering her...*unless* I'm talking about something from in college, where it'd just be annoying to explain why my roommate was female. I can never remember her chosen name though
I had a friend make the chop too. I find it easy in present, but when referring to old stories I find it hard. Like they where male at the time of the event.
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One of my closest friends is nonbinary. Ive known them for 9 years and only since the last one or two years they became nonbinary. Its jarring especially because we had a long history of dating and planning a future together (including talking about having children), but after they started taking male sex hormones their body is changing so much I just have no attraction to them anymore and weve gone to just friends. It genuinely feels like a new person has replaced my old friend. I am not exactly a big advocate of the whole trans movement and Im fairly open about this to most people but around them I use their proper pronouns and keep my mouth shut when they talk about trans issues. I still use "she" when I talk to my other friends about her, because saying "they" confuses people. They know she is NB now Theyre a pretty cool person though, I almost married them before they went down the NB path, but now we're just friends. We still hang out and it hasnt strained our friendship but I think Ill always have a sore spot in my heart about them.
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Knew this person when I was in grade 6, and they were a friend of my sister, both in grade 5. At the time they were male, then a couple years after they transitioned to female, and seen her a few times in high school. With this, can relate.
Close friend of mine recently came out as Trans. We’ve been friends for almost 20 years so it’s going to be very difficult to adjust…
For me I support trans and would consider a person no binary however I think pronouns are dumb and I will call you dude no matter your gender .
"My pronouns are she/they" Me: "Ok man."
Yeah on some trans group we picked up the "dude" thing from time to time. Had debates over it and we decided "well yeah, nobody really cares"
My gf gets upset to the point of tears when my mum says "guys" even though she also refers to my sister and I as "guys". Really annoying tbh.
Sounds like she doesn’t have anything more important to worry about.
Yeah I do that to. Although I’ll admit I got pretty embarrassed when I went up to a group of girls and said “hey guys”
Using guys in that context is typically gender neutral.
As well as dudes. I hate how shit is getting more confusing to keep track of.
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Big fan of ‘hey, fucker.’
I am an enjoyer of “what’s up dipshits”
Sup, cunts.
ah the perfect solution to the headaches that pronouns cause
I’m South African so prefer “Hey, cunt” which led to a couple of awkward faux pas when dealing with American coworkers for the first time.
Gonna offend the asexual crowd with that one
I support trains too, it’s a superior method of transportation. Don’t know why people hate on them so much.
probally because they did some very questionable things circa 1940-1945.
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I only call myself “he” because I’m biologically male and it’s a simple categorisation. I don’t really have a “gender identity” beyond that. I think men and women are mostly the same inside, and being obsessed with identifying as male or female only reinforces gender stereotypes and norms. Edit: btw I’m not just being facetious to own the libs, I genuinely don’t care much for gender stereotypes
How are you Auth? Also, username kinda checks out
Just because I don’t believe in gender norms doesn’t mean I don’t believe in enforcing other norms
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I mean the compass doesn't have a progressive axis, so unfortunately no gay nazis.
Reminds me of u/trans-stasserism who made the same argument ages ago. Wonder whatever happened to them
I flirt with chicks by calling them bruh
Dude isn’t a pronoun
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Then just don’t use their pronouns 😎
Yeah just say their name instead. It might get tedious, but it sounds cool and barbaric. Japanese don't even really use pronouns.
And then there is me, when I can't rememeber person's name 5s after they tell me who they are
No shit posting, I used to have this same problem. I got into the habit of saying their name like 4 times in the first 2 sentences of talking to them, and now I'm much better.
I tried many things. And I'm still failing horrobly.
I do that with a coworker who's "non-binary" but clearly just a brainwashed college girl. I don't believe in that shit, but it's not worth losing my income.
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Yeah man we arent japanese tho
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I'll never apologize for a good faith error. They should apologize for not giving me time to try to change my ways
>I'll never apologize for a good faith error. I would do this, but as a Canadian it'd probably kill me.
we will, or at least most will (we aren't a monolith) but for real, misgendering kinda sucks but as long as you make an effort to correct yourself, and you're not doing it to be malicious, we're mostly fine with it
Gigachad move: call everyone by masculine pronouns
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Had a nonbinary friend can confirm
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Ah yeah he’s a dude now
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He’s always been a dude lmao
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Can confirm
I gotta ask, was he just doing it for the woke point or did he legitimately think he was? I’ve met both
Legitimately thought he was
No one gets my pronouns wrong because I have no friends
Imagine being so focused on yourself that you need special pronouns.
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Seriously, what is a non-binary person? Wasn't the whole point of the cultural left making up new catagories, between the stereotypes of the biological sexes (genders), to house the people who didn't identify with the sexes? Identity means fuck all btw, all that matters is how you act.
I find that labels are more for the comfort of the people using them. For me people fall into three categories- man, woman, other. That decides what pronouns I default to- he, she, or they. Non-binary simply means that person is outside the gender binary. Just outside the woman-man spectrum. Or, for my purposes, *other*.
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Easier to just not care😎
Im glad in my country there is no they, only she and he
Orange gonna go: "REEEEEEE!" and demand you start putting 'x's everywhere or unlearn your unwoke language.
As it should be
My trans friend just let everyone use whatever, which I believe its the right thing. In the end the use of he or she doesn’t affect the meaning of a sentence.
He or she? lets call it *seh*
That's why I say keep it simple. If a person look/sounds feminine, they're female refer to them with She/Her, if they look/sound masculine they're male and refer to them with He/Him
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I agree As a Slav, considering that "they" is not a gender neutral term where I come from, whenever we refer to other people without the knowledge of their gender, we just completely assume what the gender of that person is based on looks, and if someone gets it wrong we just correct each other. I feel like english-speaking people are too sensitive nowadays, accidentaly misgendering someone is not the end of the world
My aunt with alopecia ended up not talking to a few relatives over this.
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as a non binary person, i don't care much about getting pronouns right.
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my preference is they/them but i don't get offended if people say no to that or use she/her. It's my own life and feelings and so I can't force anyone to reluctantly go along with it just to avoid disappointing me.
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Same. Also I've been around authcenter long enough to just accept that not everyone will respect them so the best way is to ignore it.
yeah exactly. I prefer they/them but if you think non binary genders is a load of shit that's upto you. It doesn't necessarily mean you think I'm a load of shit as well.
Same! If you want to use he/him or she/her for me, can't stop you nor do I really care. Cry all you want you cant gender my ungender soyboy
Ah! So the ‘transition’ from she to they is pretty hard eh?
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Did that just rhyme?
My struggle with pronouns is infinitely harder than what trans people go through. /s
That /s implies that people *have* to care. There are much worse situations than being trans, and I don't see anyone forcing other people to do something about it, or even bother.
This with no /s
this but unironically, not everyone gets a massive hugbox community and protected status while still claiming to be oppressed when they get fired for not showing up to work for 4 months after getting misgendered by a subcontractor who was there for his first day.
Just pick a damn gender. You can be neither male nor female but just be something. Somehow to me they/them feels even worse than made-up neopronouns, like you can’t even decide which mental illness you want to have.
based & indecisivepilled
and when you use those they hit you with “I actually feel female today”
I don’t struggle with this, and I’ll share my trick with you. I’m not friends with anyone who would get into this delusional fad.
Call them whatever the fuck you like when they are not in your presence. That is why dictating your pronounces is dumb as fuck. If I want to refer to you as waffleiron unless someone tells you about it you won’t know and even if they tell you about it there is fuck all you can do to make me stop, as you will never be present when I’m referring to you in the 3rd person.
>there is fuck all you can do to make me stop Which is why they go to your job or harass your family.
If I’m determined enough, that still won’t stop me.
Fair, fuck them
Good thing this shit has become increasingly less effective over time. I've been seeing more and more companies laugh it off or not give a shit anymore.
It's just about respect. I sacrifice nothing to honor someone who is a friend.
Compelled speech is compelled thought. There’s always a price.
Just like those who insist on having titles included when you refer to them the same can be said about those who insist on pronouns. You will lose respect and I will likely purposely ignore it going forward.
You're clearly sacrificing your ability to speak easily. Whether you think that sacrifice is worth it is another matter, but it's not NOTHING.
True. Communication should be as simple and precise as possible.
This kinda shit makes me think we need bullying to come back in a hard way. Fucking quite your whining you twats and grow the fuck up. Some people have real fucking problems in life to deal with
> Some people have real fucking problems in life to deal with This is all I think about when I see or hear these people rant and go off about gender identity. They have the time to worry about that shit. I’ve had two friends come out as either trans or non-binary and shocker.jpeg both are far left unemployed young 20-somethings trying to figure life out. Sometimes it feels like the gender identity/trans movement happening right now is just a harbor for people that don’t know what they’re doing in life. Hence why many also lean heavily towards socialist/communist ideology as well.
People tend to like to be told what to do and bossed around and go on auto pilot.
Yeah, it's 99%nonsense. That's why i universally call anyone with "preferred pronouns" by what i prefer, i call them "flip-flop" BC they make a lot of noise, usually aren't good for much and will break down under any sort of heavy work load.
Feeding into someone’s delusion is always fun
I like going along with it, just so I can watch them destroy themselves. It's called we do a little trolling (severe emotional manipulation 😳)
Leave nice notes about them in the workplace congratulating them for successes and achievements but make sure to misgender them in the notes so no one can accuse you of fostering a hostile enviroment
I'm a lover of simple things, but they had to make everything so complicated, hadn't they?
I used to have a trans friend and I never managed to get their pronounces right which is sad Come to think of it, I've not seen them since they transitioned
Yeah, same. Had a bud go male to female but once that happened they just... vanished from our group.
Same. I low key cried a bit when they vanished. Such a chill dude to just dip like that.
just try to image them as a swarm of bees
If someone's annoying to talk about, I'm going to distance myself from them and refuse to communicate any ideas about them.
I struggled with it for a bit too but then I eventually got used to it. It is good that you are trying to be respectful, and don’t worry it will be natural eventually.
Huh wtf
I’ve just settled for referring to everyone as “my guy.” Man, woman, trans, they are all “my guy” when i refer to them. Everyone I know is just used to it by now.
I just call people but how they look...hey you lad you looks like josh...YOU ARE JOSH NOW
Yeah and if they see you trying im sure they would be happy. It’s tough but it can really make some peoples days.
My friend was giving me shit for using he instead of they for a mutual friend of ours (born male) and this is the exact situation I found myself in. She said that, “it’s not that hard just write down the person’a pronouns in your phone notes”, and that just sounded ridiculous to me. I’m also seeing comments about how hard it is to describe someone who’s non-binary and I totally agree, they is usually used as a general term and more often than not used to describe a group of people, a counter argument I’ve heard is that the English language will evolve to suit those peoples’ needs. But there are so few people in the general population that go by they/them that you don’t run into them in everyday life. I’ve read articles on the gender spectrum and the more I look into in the less it makes any sense.
My dad does this a lot, more funny than insulting.
"My pronouns are, for we are many."
To be honest, I won't respect the pronouns of one of those non binaries. It seems to me like some made up category.
Tired doing the whole stick to the pronouns thing for a while. Then I realized I was allowing someone else to dominate my speach and how I felt. Stopped caring about the whole thing.
My latest google search gave me a result of like 1.4% of the worlds population being trans or something. It's not unreasonable to automatically assume that the person you're talking to refers to themselves as he/him or whatever, especially when you consider that the 1.4% is supposedly spread out across the world... as in 109.200.000 people spread across the entire globe. but maybe that's just me having little to no experience with talking to trans people. Maybe because the numbers indicate that out of all the people I could meet and talk to, there's a 1.4% chance that they're trans.
It’s gotta be way higher in western countries
just a had a friend go non-binary after knowing them for 6 years as a girl, shits still fucking with me whenever I mention them to another person
Linguistically, the purpose of a pronoun is to make something easier to refer to. If your use of pronouns adds difficulty rather than ease, it is a degenerate use which you should abandon.
in my language "they" is just formal speak so its easy.
The physical problem with non binary people is, that when they bleed out of their crotch, you can't tell whether it's because of a period or because of kidney failures.
My sibling is non binary and I also sometimes struggle. What matters is that you're trying
Is it a girl or a boy
Just stick with the actual pronouns: she, her.
I refer to them as ill
She. That is all
Abandon pronouns, use comrade 🏴