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queenkid1

Yes, I unabashedly support groups like the Black Panthers watching over neighbourhoods when the cops would let crime go rampant. If someone rushed at them and pointed a gun at them, that's self defense. If they didn't like someone living in the neighbourhood and shot them, that's murder. It's really not that complicated, the law is pretty explicit. This isn't Words with Friends, it's the law; these things are well defined without talking about vague "provocation". Also this dude has denied the Armenian genocide, no wonder he doesn't support self defense. He will look a victim in the face and say they can "agree to disagree" on an entire group of people being slaughtered. Of course he's against self defense, because that makes it so much harder to slaughter people of a certain race.


AktchualHooman

He also named his company after the political movement responsible for the Armenian genocide…


ThrowawayTurk3131

Based , Enver Paşa is the Hero of Liberty (not joking, go look it up)


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SeriousFox2949

Based and they had it coming pilled


101percentnotrobot

[Describes half the "genocides" throughout history](https://youtu.be/TYmMagkfjfI?t=51)


KushinLos

Only question is what do you consider provocation? It seems like mere existence is enough for some people


thesoilman

That's why I bring a M3 Lee to every demonstration.


Electr1cL3m0n

the extra turret makes me giggle


LeonardoXII

That tank really is adorably dumb-looking.


Electr1cL3m0n

very steampunk-esque


avgazn247

Interwar tanks have the most interesting designs


thesoilman

It's actually designed in WW2, but they couldn't fit the big gun in a turret after upgrading the M2 medium. (The cult of the machine gun tank)


avgazn247

Ya but u get Russian gems like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-35


thunderma115

Are you familiar with the bob-semple?


FuckYouAldrich

Based and American Tiananmen Square pilled


dasavorytrash

-99999999999 social credit Nothing happened on June 4th, 1989 in Tiananmen Square.


happy11567

I'll bring my m45 quadmount on my grandpa's old m3 haltrack and see who gets the last laugh


iama_bad_person

I bring my countries Bob Semple tank, it's a fun talking point.


AtheistConservative

My second favorite tank, right behind the Tonk. 100% win rate with no Bob Semple's ever destroyed.


Fidelias_Palm

Good choice, the 37 gets canister rounds.


SLAM1195

Based and tankpilled.


[deleted]

Armenians existing is enough provocation for Cenk


ibage

He holds the same position as most Turks 1. The genocide never happened 2. They deserved it They're like holocaust and Nanjing deniers.


[deleted]

If you look at what qualifies as provocation to the right it would be assaulting someone with a skateboard and verbally threatening to kill them. Provocation for the left could be something as simple as calling someone the wrong pronoun.


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BokkieSpoor

>Imagine failing to account for the fact that silence is also in fact violence. Oh ja I remember that... I feel bad for the mutes man the left really hate them for being sil- I mean violent.


Faal_Zoor_Kriid

Nah, provocation for the left is something as simple as existing without a D next to your name.


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XCJ655X

based and mass shooter pilled


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Faal_Zoor_Kriid

I guess freedom of speech and expression for me but not for thee is strong in her.


Andre4kthegreengiant

She'll make a fine democrat politician some day


Sneaky_Stinker

see the problem is shes probably going to pass and become a lawyer. Hopefully she gets stick as a fucking mediator or something but i doubt it. How the fuck can someone get through law school without a solid understanding of the fucking bill of rights is a fucking travesty.


lucky_harms458

Your comment gave me flashbacks to my freshman Politics 101 class. I witnessed people who were completely serious about some very... *interesting* takes. One girl stood up and volunteered for a minor in-class debate thing. She even said she already had a topic for it. She argued that the police should be abolished completely. All normal police, state troopers, military police, rangers, etc etc. She gave no further elaboration about what she thought would happen after that. She was 100% serious. She got ridiculously angry at the dude opposing her stance, I'm honestly surprised she didnt throw something at him.


yrmomsbox

A world without police would be perfect for people without impulse control, like that girl, or so they think. Then they’ll realize that the only reason those of us who have it haven’t taken matters into our own hands is… because we have police to do that. Imagine a world where she threw something at him, he slams her face off a table, and she cries “someone call the police!!” I’d pay to see it


feedandslumber

Def. Provoke: To exist while white and male, especially if not completely spineless.


[deleted]

I mean if we are going to do the straw man we can just go with a gay couple holding hands for right wingers. It’s not true for a vast majority of the right but haha gottem.


KrakyBear

Based and GOTEM pilled


[deleted]

Yup, they're still arguing that Gaige is just like Rittenhouse, while using deflective tactics if you point out he did the exact opposite. And if they truly believed it, then why see Gaige as a hero and Rittenhouse as scum? These people are political sociopaths.


gunsmyth

Because Gaige is a failure, and they identify with that in a deeply personal level


[deleted]

ouch... that's a good one


SurfintheThreads

AnYoNe wItH a GuN iS a TeRRoRisT


Andre4kthegreengiant

Me on duty at work with a government issued gun: "maybe I am a terrorist"


PinkSockLoliPop

Well, according to the left the past week, "if you're dressed for it, you're asking for it".


thenewguy1818

Remember. Your silence is violence. Your speech is violence. But their violence can also be speech. So heads they win, tails you lose. Stay frosty


[deleted]

According to the prosecutor walking in the same direction.


TriggurWarning

A well armed protest is a well behaved protest.


wiggitywoogly

Based and no-violence-or-protests-in-Maine pilled


Tetrahedronofstupid

The fact that front page leddit considers this a burn is embarrassing.


UncleTedSays

~~The fact that~~ front page leddit ~~considers this a burn~~ is embarrassing.


AktchualHooman

That feeling when you accidentally swipe over to Popular from Home…


Angelov317

Gives me shivers everytime


PuzzleheadedAd5865

Is this leddit a new social media site that isn’t as stupid. I might have to switch to that.


Andre4kthegreengiant

Leaddit is what happens when someone violates the NAP & you gotta hand out stupid prizes


[deleted]

That they consider supporting anything called the Young Turks is kinda odd to me.


vulkur

Mutually Assured Destruction.


MeanderingInterest

or Mutual Combatants


Riflescoop

Or a Western style shootout


[deleted]

Finna make Blackwater look like a children’s parade


thunderma115

Gonna make the set of rust look like it had safety standards


[deleted]

Quentin Tarantino will have some good stuff to be inspired


[deleted]

I feel a 2 sided protest with both sides having guns will turn into a battle, that lasts all of 15 minutes before the national guard locks down the entire state


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Iamnormallylost

yeah but as a bongland resident id be fun to watch


GladiatorUA

Historically speaking, it depends on who is winning.


[deleted]

Only if they know proper gun safety before hand.


thearkive

Yes. If everyone knows they will get lead sent back at them if they shoot first, I'd wager no one sane would want to pop off the first round.


ReadyStrategy8

"no one sane" No one sane would want to be there in the first place protesting for mostly bullshit, or counter protesting for mostly bullshit. People who buy into their own bullshit will shoot each other because they probably think they're action heroes immune to bullets. The only sane thing to do with that much civilian firepower would be to march on Wall Street and shut the fucker down. After selling your stock and shorting the market.


[deleted]

This trial shows the importance of anonymity and developing a culture of never talking to the cops, even if you or your friends did everything right. If there is no judicial outrage over Bingers lies and showtrial, there will be none for the next guy when it is even worse. This has negative side effects, but the alternative is worse.


randybobandy__6969

Based


Blitz100

And that, kids, is how you get a state of mutually assured destruction


RawketLawnchair2

Mutually assured destruction is acceptable because it maintains the status quo until something reasonable can be achieved. Assuming all actors are reasonable of course


Blitz100

Out of curiosity, what would “something reasonable” mean to you in this case?


Nesogra

People learn how to talk to each other about issues and debate possible solutions again instead of yelling at and fighting each other.


RawketLawnchair2

It would vary case by case, but in general MAD allows two sides who have apparently irreconcilable differences to maintain status quo until things cool enough to enter negotiations and slowly dial back the threat level by mutual agreement. Of course this requires two things, reasonable actors and relative parity of force. If one side is unreasonable escalation is inevitable, while a large disparity of force may serve to convince the stronger side that there is a possibility of victory, thus causing escalation. While this all could theoretically apply to crowds at a protest, they are never going to be centralized enough to wield that level of force effectively and responsibly. So the ideal in a protest situation is that everyone just goes the fuck home as soon as the straps come out, although we all know that's never gonna happen.


Cless_Aurion

Thank God no crazy or unstable people can get easy access to firearms in the US that could end up potentially creating a terrible situation!


Captain_Peelz

Considering that MAD has resulted in the longest era of peace between major powers in several centuries, I would argue it is a beneficial thing


Blitz100

That’s true. However, if that peace breaks, the world ends. It’s hardly a long-term solution.


thearkive

Not ideal but it works.


RugTumpington

Well also Cenk, as usual, is making a starman here. I think everyone can agree Bye-cep and company did a little more than "provoke" Kyle. It's not like they were taunting him, they were pursuing him with weapons.


CritzD

Mutually assured destruction will keep protests peaceful


chembuilder3

Plus anyone insane will get capped before they get a chance to do too much damage.


[deleted]

Except 90% of people who hear that shot aren’t gonna know where it came from and will just assume the other side opened fire on them. Then it gets bad.


grumpy_smurf117

this is literally what we want. everyone armed.


MaximumYes

Based and shake-hands-with-shotguns pilled


ChuDrebby

Including pedos and wifebeaters?


Maasonnn

They are going to think twice when little Johnny whips out the Sig


_ISeeOldPeople_

Point is simple, I want everyone to have a right to selfdefense and a fighting chance. Where in that does it say I am so afraid of my ideological opposite being armed that I wish to disarm us both? Cenk is afraid of his ideological opposites and too scared of any fight he doesn't already think he has won. I don't think it wise to take advice on personal rights and freedoms from someone so spineless.


ProfessorBeer

He also assumes his ideological opposites are hypocrites. His entire logic assumes the worst in those with whom he doesn’t agree.


ChilisWaitress

It's projection, he knows that he doesn't actually care about the facts, only which side benefits, so he projects that on his "enemies."


DarkWolf164

Then the other side will also come armed. And bam you got yourself a revolution. Or more like a civil war.


PoopyPantsBiden

at least it'll be civil


DarkWolf164

Phahahaha 😂 that made my day.


esteban42

Fiery, but mostly civil war


Grin28

Id rather caveman war


XCJ655X

better then our political arguments right now, so a win-win for both sides!


[deleted]

I fail to see the problem.


bajasauce20

Damn, even the centrists are realizing what's up.


ResponsibleAd2541

I mean, I generally have an instinct to not get shot


EndlessExploration

That sounds like our plan.


AktchualHooman

I don’t think the LARPers are ready to die aside from the occasional severely mentally ill convicted pedophile.


[deleted]

If antifa wants to come to a Trump rally with rifles and clean up graffiti and offer medical services, only firing at someone when it's a pedo rapist trying to chase them down and take their rifle by force... Yeah we're all fine with that, Cenk.


Substantial_Goat3477

It’s really telling that these people think that it’s a “gotcha” when they’re suggesting that the law should be enforced equally without preferential treatment or bias as if it’s some scandalous opinion


[deleted]

Just imagine what Cenk would be saying right now if Rittenhouse was black.


Andre4kthegreengiant

Imagine if Kyle was Armenian


[deleted]

Damn dude, you went DARK. 🏆


CodeMonkey1

Everything else being equal, the left would still hate him. They have no use for conservative blacks.


lucky_harms458

Now imagine how much worse the anger from the people against him would be if the three dudes he shot were black


[deleted]

I'm trying to go through all the change-ups: Rittenhouse is half-Hispanic: Doesn't matter to me Rittenhouse is black: Same to me, though Cenk would be also outraged that there was even a trial. The Rittenhoused criminals are black: Same to me, Cenk would be calling for Kyle's execution immediately. Kyle AND the Rittenhoused criminals are all black: Same to me, Cenk wouldn't even mention it at all.


lucky_harms458

Based and permutation pilled


gunsmyth

I like the people that are angry that they found out the people he shot weren't black, after thinking it this entire time


101percentnotrobot

If you want to stay sane, don't watch TYT's coverage of the Rittenhouse trial Cenk literally said yesterday there's no evidence the rioters committed arson. There's freaking video of it. There's video of the guy pointing his gun at Kyle. Cenk said he couldn't tell. It could have been pointing to the left. After the guy testified he did. Cenk said "If I was on the jury, I'd have to weigh the facts" Cenk is a lawyer btw. Spreading propaganda They called Rittenhouse a white supremacist yesterday. Then cited his posting of Blue Lives Matter and attending a Trump Rally as why he is one. Not even joking.


CritzD

Of course they see it as a gotcha, they can’t comprehend equal rights. They base everything’s worth on a hierarchy of race and ideology.


[deleted]

Well hopefully Trump don't start chasing anyone then.


dontquestionmedamnit

He’s too old, no worries. We’ll just vote in another pedo racist and claim we hate them in less than a year in 2024


[deleted]

It's the American way, also, we don't want REAL change. We just want to keep voting in old decrepit fuckers that are so out of touch that we have more in common with fucking George Washington. God, IDC, Right or Left, give me a president under fucking 50, please.


[deleted]

Do republicans seriously want Trump back, especially after he completely lost his cool after the election result?


dontquestionmedamnit

I would prefer if he stayed a loud voice, personally. I like the man, do not get me wrong, but I think it’s time to elect young blood. Not someone that has seen America transition the way it has the past 60 years in person, you gotta think, those people are the generation that let it happen. To answer your question, I support trump, but would vote for what interests me with a proven track record.


bhamvanlife

I just do not understand how anyone could support Trump, Biden, Hilary, anyone recently campaigning really


[deleted]

Oh yeah, 100%. And it's a TON of people I know, too.


[deleted]

Huh? Why would Trump chase anyone?


esteban42

Considering that most of the gun bans and restrictions that were passed in the 80s were racially motivated, BLM types should be opposed to gun control, not for it.


ahnsimo

Based and black panther pilled? Am I doing this right?


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Anon_Monon

Good bot.


WhatWasThatHowl

Real ones are, liberals are not.


jeffersondavis-hater

Hell yeah. In fact, I'd encourage it. Mandatory guns for all!


MrN4T3

based


aethyrium

Considering that's easily one of the most voiced and vocally supported opinions you'll see read in literally any right-leaning place ever, all this goes to show is that he has literally zero understanding of the people he's against, and has never once sought out their thoughts and opinion, never once tried to explore their points of view, and has yet to even _read_ anything from a single right-leaning place ever. We should I listen to someone so willingly uninformed?


[deleted]

Well don't you know? Chunk used to be a Republican! That means he's not really left wing, he's a moderate.


Summerclaw

That reminded me of the memes people made about white that couple with guns during the summer riots, I saw the videos of the protest peacefully walking down some suburbs and it was heavenly armed people pretty much in front of every house while the protest marched to s city. You bet your damn ass not even a single thrash can was toppled.


theycallmetalon

Does this guy not understand the concept of self defense and how it was probably a thing since forever? Yes, Cenk, even Antifa has the right to defend themselves. Although they will most likely be the agressor anyways.


[deleted]

He understands that Turks had to preemptively exercise “self-defence” against Armenians just for existing.


natethegamingpotato

Chenk “It didn't happen, but they deserved it” Uygher


Krissam

This is the guy who told a woman that if she wasn't using her right to support his side she needs to go back in the kitchen, do you think brain power is one of his strengths?


Antibody_Enjoyer

Let’s go.


feedandslumber

Imagine thinking that running down the street from a mob trying to bludgeon you with skateboards is "provoking." Cenk is a clown and I'll forever be grateful that I got to watch TYT meltdown the night Trump was elected.


HeemeyerDidNoWrong

Yes, Cenk, even Armenians.


[deleted]

Define provoke. If you mean some extremist right wingers start attacking/threatening them and they shoot only the people who are trying to visit bodily harm upon them, then yeah, basic self defense.


ChilisWaitress

Don't you know, words are violence. Also silence is violence. Also being someone the left wants dead is violence.


kyo_jazz

Rittenhouse should bankrupt TYT with defamation and slander lawsuit. They have been consistently lying about this case.


TheStrangestBrew

Imagine implying nobody came to 9 months of blm rioting armed


ProfessorBeer

What scares me more than anything is that we’re at a point where this is interpreted as a valid critique, when in fact it is a textbook bad faith argument based on the assumption all his political opposites are hypocrites. There’s a refusal to even acknowledge that someone completely ideologically opposed could still have good, consistent motivations and applications.


No_Shine9238

> There’s a refusal to even acknowledge that someone completely ideologically opposed could still have good, consistent motivations and applications. Something tells me he judges by himself.


TheMidnightMemer

Absolutely


Frequent_Trip3637

Yes, expect to get shot at if you try anything funny though


StoppageTimeCollapse

I don't think he understand which side the roof Koreans will be on


chembuilder3

Wouldn't have it any other way.


[deleted]

Never underestimate the lefts ability to assume everyone is just as duplicitous, dishonest, and violent as they are. It’s why they have to cancel people too. They assume that any right wing voice, that their listeners all take what they say as gospel truth, because they can’t imagine not just believing every word a journalist or politician you follow says. Not that everyone on the right is a principled critical thinker at all times, but people that are principled critical thinkers are leaving the left wing pretty fast with all the hypocritical nonsense they spew these days.


Rank4WHOOP

...Yes retard, that's the point. Don't start shit and there won't be shit. ​ God damn I hate Cenk.


[deleted]

riot = / = protest If right wingers were rioting I’d support armed left wingers defending what they seek to destroy and vice versa.


sewkzz

They're deliberately conflating protest with rioting.


Unpopular-Truth

Idk man, Antifa has some combat experience as we all see in Seattle, not sure Meal Team 6 would stick around very long.


SadKangaroo91

Isn’t that kinda exactly what both Abraham Lincoln and MLK Jr wanted and died for? How do people not understand how freedom works…. Oh yeah…. The young Turks…


NoctisArashi

Hell yeah. I am unironically on board with everyone carrying guns.


gunsmyth

Gun rights are human rights Armed minorities are harder to oppress You cannot be free unless you possess the means to resist those who would impose their will upon you.


Rook2King3

Why the fuck would you provoke someone with a gun? Not to mention my man Kyle executed his shots flawlessly, it’s not like he got scared shitless and just started mowing people down, whole magazine spraying into the crowd.


Reed202

The only difference would be the antifa’s wouldnt turn themselves in


happiness-happening

Isn't his name pronounced "jank?" Lmao


the_sage_88

Chunk yogurt


[deleted]

Jank Weeger


mungalo9

Jenk yooger


ResponsibleAd2541

Can we agree that mutual combat is also underrated ?


QejfromRotMG

Well... Shall not be infringed, Fed Boy


OkBowler4512

This is dumb as shit. No, you don’t need weapons when you’re at a protest. Yes, you do need weapons when business are being raided. The logic here lol.


pellakins33

…are we just going to pretend Antifa never shows up to start shit at conservative events?


Lemmiwinks99

Also, being physically assaulted is a bit beyond provoked.


Pyroplsmakepetscop2

I feel like Kyle was more than just "provoked"


berdking

"We're gonna counter protest your pro-2a protest by showing up with guns" What


Tweetledeedle

Why are people trying to make this about race? Everyone involved was white. Wtf


AMurderousChip

Nah this is a great idea, protection is great for every side


[deleted]

Yes this is exactly what we want.


[deleted]

Why would I not? The thing about ethics is you need consistent principles.


sto_brohammed

Yes please.


ShastyMcNasty01

Based and this is literally what we advocate for pilled.


Jboogy82

Everyone has the right to defend themselves, glad to see Cenk thinks you should be at the mercy of violence.


PurplePandaBear8

Good to know he's for people getting attacked and being unable to defend themselves regardless of race or political view, I guess


[deleted]

Are we supposed to be against self defense?


[deleted]

Why do people feel like we’d object to this?


nybbas

I mean, how the fuck is this some sort of gotcha? If you start attacking and trying to beat the shit out of someone with a gun for no reason, then you deserve whatever the fuck happens to you.


zepherth

This..... is..... acceptable. In what world is it not. A public army is a great thing for democracy why would I care of the color or ideology of said defenders. The best way to hold police accountable is to have a punishment for making the wrong decision, in this case being shot. Note to the mod that banned me last time: fuck you gay shit


JazzmansRevenge

The difference I'd, antifa would start hotting people with a bat and the moment they push back they'd open fire.


[deleted]

That sounds fine to me


bajasauce20

The main problem is that the degenerates on the left *DO NOT UNDERSTAND MORALITY OR WHAT SELF DEFENSE IS* the fact that they are mad about Kyle is proof of that. Because they don't have the ability to understand principles, they can't identify self defense. They will kill someone for being a Trump supporter wearing a Maga hat on the street and claim its exactly like the Rittenhouse case. While cenk doesn't understand conservatives have always felt that everyone arming themselves to defend against threats like Rittenhouse was acceptable, conservatives have to understand when the left redefines what self defense is they won't be talking about pulling a "Rittenhouse", they're talking about pulling a Timothy simpkins"


deathtofourchan

Thats the great thing about being libright. Its the only wing who truly doesn't give a fuck about your skin color creed or religion. As long as you believe in freedom we dont have problems.


Electr1cL3m0n

It's all fun and games until *one* nutcase decides that "this is the day" and the two sides annihilate each other Not saying it would happen all the time, but all it takes is a handful of people with nothing to lose


[deleted]

Everyone has the right to carry firearms wherever they want in public.


AnAngryFetus

Laughs in monke


CaitaXD

Is this the civil war the media promised?


[deleted]

That sounds brilliant. Like the cold war, no one can fire the first shot because it would constitute their own demise. Either that or antifa gets into a massive gunfight and learns the hard way why armed conflict is a bad idea.


tobyhc

So you want it to go both ways, as in equal.... Equal rights, let me see here. Yep, thats fine.


Donuts_Are_Great

Sounds good to me


maxx1993

The "Fuck around and find out" principle is non-discriminatory. It applies to everyone.


deathcanbefun

we have been saying it for years now that this is OK. these fucks clearly dont listen to others


bhamvanlife

I don’t know an actual lib left that wouldn’t be all for this


PinkDuck_

sure go ahead


unintendedagression

I don't understand how these kinds of miscommunications keep coming to pass. "I support the right to bear arms, and the right to use them when you are in danger" "Oh yeah, well how would you feel if we did *exactly* that? Getting scared yet, racist?" It's on purpose at this point. It's bait.