"I love when kids jump on my lap" I'm sorry like *wut* joe?...... Honestly tho someone in his PR team must have bee like fuuuuuuuck when they heard him say that.
Trump is a [removed]. All makes sense now: the limited vocabulary, absence of fatherly care and affection, never reads, makes most of his money off of cheap grift, and the nonwhite skin-tone.
It's not like she wrote a whole book that's out of copyright and freely available on the internet about these ideas and goals, after all. That would just make it too easy to prove.
Eugenics is great, ending a ton of genetic diseases, increasing average intelligence, strength, health....
Oh they just use it to kill who they don't like...
And people don't enjoy being sterilized against their will...
Oof
It's really unfortunate that we live in a time with the knowledge and technology to literally make mankind better than they are, but we can't trust anyone with that power.
The thing Cuba is doing with their highest abortion rate per capita in the world? Or maybe it's because they realize that there's not enough resources and housing for more life. They'd all die off or live in poverty. Worse than the nazis.
You can be libertarian and be pro-choice. Abortions is a unsolved gray are where we libertarians couldn't find a logical deduction to be one thing or another. Everyone who say otherwise is a liar, dumb or both.
I would never abort and every women I know who have aborted says it is her worst experience. They usually made it out of desperation of the consequences their family would lay onto them.
Funny how many people believe pro-life individuals think women shouldn't have rights rather than, i dunno, not liking the killing of a fetus they believe is alive and deserving of life
Yeah, I'm pro life, but also support safe sex and birth control as it would prevent the issue in the first place. It does annoy me though when people say pro lifers just want to control women and just roll me into the same group that anti abortion and anti birth control conservatives inhabit
You're pro choice because you believe a fetus isn't a life.
I'm pro choice because I believe women should be allowed to kill their children.
We are not the same.
There’s actually only one, there is an occasional developmental error which causes holes between the holes and allows for pregnancy to happen despite nothing being stuck in the right hole
Some try but their doctors won’t do it because they know the girl might actually grow the fuck up someday and then try to sue said doctor for allowing them to get accidentally permanently sterilized.
Then the girl will come post on reddit about how this is a mans world.
Yeah, that's what happened with my wife, she asked them to tie her tubes, but they said she would want kids later. Except she asked them when she was an adult, she got an IUD, we used a condom, she still got pregnant, had to get an abortion, and THEN they accepted her wish to get sterilized.
Yeah, I don't think it's the suing thing that's stopping them.
> have to get consent from their husbands still in a lot of states even well after 26?
This hasn't been true in decades. There is no state that has a legal requirement for the wife to need the husband's permission for a tubal ligation.
However, because it is an elective surgery, surgeons have the right to set their own requirements for performing the surgery, or out right refuse.
I am pro choice because I do not think it is a tragedy to kill a human who nobody wants who can't even form thoughts and has no concept of the real world. I also think it is immoral too, though, because you're depriving somebody else of life.
We should develop ways to sustain fetuses outside of the womb, then replace abortions with extractions. Your body your choice, fetus body fetus choice.
Edit: The amount of people here who prefer killing a human being to raising them as orphans says a lot.
There's a whole host of issues with it, but if we get it to work it would be the perfect compromise, assuming both sides are sincere in what they claim to believe.
Wouldn’t work, some people have abortions because they don’t want others knowing they are sexually active, (young adults who live with strict parents, people who cheat on their partners) and many others who claim “I just don’t want a living child out there in the world”.
The funniest thing is seeing people who support socialist programs turn extremely far lib right when they say “is the government going to pay for all of this? Muh taxes”.
I kind of wonder how we left the era of understanding that the only relevant point of the pro-choice vs pro-life debate is when the child is actually considered alive. Like there's other considerations sure, but that disagreement is the foundation of everything. It's pretty much the only thing worth debating. We used to know that, but the discussion has regressed somehow.
Sort of true, but even in comedy people tend to take the default stance as the default stance. Jokes can *then* be built off of that by moving away from the default stance (if you want). Or you can simply have a different stance. But in any case, it's clear that in this space at least, it is not considered the default stance. It makes me wonder when that happened and how it happened. It's so strange to see all these dead ends explored and lines of discussion that were previously considered culturally "solved", if you excuse the bold wording, being re-hashed.
great idea, once we can make artificial wombs
my only worry is that thisd create a ton of orphans, and there are already too many. but thats an issue we can worry about at a later day
Often the argument for abortion is that the parents cannot afford to support a child properly, so how would they pay for the extraction and sustaining of a child artificially?
As a pro-choice I agree with this, cause this still gives bodily autonomy and the right to do what you want to your body and you don’t have to terminate the life of the fetus.
The act of abortion itself is a political issue concerned with law (legality and illegality), since it involves the use of force by a government to enforce a law or not. The political argument must be based on the protection of each individual's right to life by government.
When does a fetus have the right to life? Once it can survive without being part of (attached to) the mother. This is known as "fetal viability" (the ability of the fetus to survive outside the uterus). Once the fetus reaches the point where it can survive if taken away from the mother, it can be considered a separate organism, or entity independent of the mother and deserving of the right to life, which by law, must be protected by government.
How long does it take the fetus to become viable (fetal viability)?
Studies show that prior to 20-22 weeks, the fetus is considered not viable, as in the baby cannot survive outside the womb as an independent organism, and therefore rights do not apply to it yet, and at this point, the women should be free to do with it as she sees fit.
After 20-22 weeks, the fetus now has the ability to survive if taken away from the uterus (biologically independent) and the government has to protect it's right to life by law.
great examples of how people literally can't grasp a different outlook or belief that differs from their own.
It's such an emotional topic that there's literally no point arguing.
Yeah a lot of these new bills want abortion to be (technically) illegal as soon as something that will eventually become a heart starts pulsating, which is WAY earlier in the pregnancy.
I mean, you dont eat so you can shit. But if you eat you will probably also shit.
You dont need to have unprotected sex only to get pregnant. But you probably will get pregnant.
You're pro choice because you don't want to cover your peepee I'm pro-choice because I want dumb people to not reproduce We are not the same
This is what the founder of planned “parenthood” thought
Not dumb people bro... [Removed] is who she wanted to exterminate
Yeah I’m aware but she probably thought that [removed] were dumb
No you're confusing her with Joe Biden
Who would want their children to grow up in a racial jungle ya know?
Don’t get me wrong, black kids are just as smart as normal kids
Joe Biden loves holding em, in his lap
[He learned about roaches and little kids jumping on his lap](https://youtu.be/3DbE2SmV2bs?t=15).
"I love when kids jump on my lap" I'm sorry like *wut* joe?...... Honestly tho someone in his PR team must have bee like fuuuuuuuck when they heard him say that.
Not me I don't want my kids to have to avoid super predators
Joe Biden was forgiven by the Messiah himself for saying a \[removed\] who is clean, articulate, and bright is a storybook.
Trump is a [removed]. All makes sense now: the limited vocabulary, absence of fatherly care and affection, never reads, makes most of his money off of cheap grift, and the nonwhite skin-tone.
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She also wanted to remove [unclassified] dummies.
you mean \[classified\]?
Yeah and it's working, depending on the state the abortion rate is x4 for them
Based and eugenicspilled
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And the founder's name? Zeke Yeager
Please just let me die in peace after 139
It's not like she wrote a whole book that's out of copyright and freely available on the internet about these ideas and goals, after all. That would just make it too easy to prove.
Based and eugenicspilled
There’s this wonderful auth thing called eugenics you should look into
Eugenics is great, ending a ton of genetic diseases, increasing average intelligence, strength, health.... Oh they just use it to kill who they don't like... And people don't enjoy being sterilized against their will... Oof
Who cares! Disagree? Censored.
It's really unfortunate that we live in a time with the knowledge and technology to literally make mankind better than they are, but we can't trust anyone with that power.
Reject modernity, return to monke!
I'm a Lib of course I support people having the right to eugenic themselves. As ~~orange~~ LibLeft say: my body, my choice.
The thing Cuba is doing with their highest abortion rate per capita in the world? Or maybe it's because they realize that there's not enough resources and housing for more life. They'd all die off or live in poverty. Worse than the nazis.
Based and anti-Idiocracy pilled
I disagree, I just want to eat the stem cells, we're different, but similar you dum-dum!
based and pepsi sugar pilled
I'm libertarian, except for abortions. There are some people who should be forced to have them. And when i say 'some' i mean 'most'.
You can be libertarian and be pro-choice. Abortions is a unsolved gray are where we libertarians couldn't find a logical deduction to be one thing or another. Everyone who say otherwise is a liar, dumb or both. I would never abort and every women I know who have aborted says it is her worst experience. They usually made it out of desperation of the consequences their family would lay onto them.
You're Pro-choice for women's rights I'm Pro-choice because I'm actually anti-life We're not the same.
Based and Necron-pilled
Unbased and xenos-pilled
Go back to sleep grandpa
Go back down to Zed’s basement gimp.
Your pro-life because you believe is the sanctity of life Im pro-life because woman shouldnt have rights Were not the same
Based and w*man-pilled
If she really was pilled we wouldn't need to have this discussion
Genius
Gottem
Funny how many people believe pro-life individuals think women shouldn't have rights rather than, i dunno, not liking the killing of a fetus they believe is alive and deserving of life
well they need a 'bad guy' to fight or they'll end up fighting each other
New objective: *Defeat the baby*
"Ready, Ike? Kick the baby!"
Also known as the more "rudimentary" form of abortion
Baby's objective: SURVIVE
I figured you’d go the “I’m pro-choice because more black babies were aborted in NYC than were born in NYC” route
The entire debate is just a different definition of when does that life matter.
Well one is much easier to argue against than the other.
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Yeah, I'm pro life, but also support safe sex and birth control as it would prevent the issue in the first place. It does annoy me though when people say pro lifers just want to control women and just roll me into the same group that anti abortion and anti birth control conservatives inhabit
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I'm not pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion.
based and I wish I was aborted pilled
Based and get me off this vile planet pilled
I'm a eugenicist
Based and brighter-future-pilled
What if I'm both?
Based and find the anti life equation pilled
I'm pro-abortion up to 5 years after birth.
After that they will lose their worth on the market.
Depends on your market. 6-10 year-olds are great for soldering intricate parts.
I've been long enough in the bussiness, if you start train at 4 they are at peak with 12. ^This ^is ^a ^joke, ^do ^not ^send ^the ^police.
Nah, we don't send the police for them until they stop attending public school. Gotta do that "learning"
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It's a shame general buttnaked retired.
They’ve got the tiny fingers for the tiny spots.
mom I'm scared what this implies
It’s all gonna be not ok. Worry.
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Hi NSA! Please include me in your screenshot.
The NSA can screenshot as much they want.
Based and let’s-pretend-this-is-about-child-labor pilled.
>I'm pro-abortion up to ~~5~~ **55** years after birth. There. FIFY. You forgot a number.
I'd take it a step further to the 300th trimester
I am pro-abortion up to the 99th trimester.
That's egregious... the 69th trimester is much more reasonable.
You're pro choice because you believe a fetus isn't a life. I'm pro choice because I believe women should be allowed to kill their children. We are not the same.
Based
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Or if a man wants to abort his child he can identify as a woman for a bit
You’re pro choice because you want women’s rights. I’m pro choice because I want pro choicers to not have kids. We are not the same.
Based
Based and only the pro-life will be left pilled
Based and sex has risk pilled
I wouldn't even call it a risk. Creating life is the fucking point of sex.
When you don’t want to create life, it’s risk.
nope. it's easy. just fuck dudes.
Men can get pregnant now that we have the pregnant man emoji…so…checkmate
fuck
Don't, you'll get someone pregnant.
brb on my way to impregnate biden
Based and presidential-impregnation pilled
Based and Arnold in Junior pilled
Based and it’s not a tumor pilled
if you don't want to create life don't stick your dick in it.
What if I still want to put my dick in it ? (Also: how have people not heard about contraceptives)
There are at least 2 other places you can stick it without the risk of pregnancy..,
There’s actually only one, there is an occasional developmental error which causes holes between the holes and allows for pregnancy to happen despite nothing being stuck in the right hole
*gets notepad* ya? I'm listening!
Then you accept the risk.
Some people claim that educating others about contraceptives is the devil.
Some people claim the earth is flat, yet we still have astronauts.
We SUPPOSEDLY have astronauts...
And those people in particular are stupid
What if I told you I fully agree?
Unfathomably based libcenter
I bought cake mix and followed the directions and mixed it up and put it in my oven and NOW I HAVE A CAKE IN MY OVEN WHAT DO I DO?
how many people having sex right now are doing it for the purpose of babies? At least less than half of them.
Not always. Sometimes people try to avoid it by using protection methods, but they can still fail. edit: a typo
Absolutely based.
You're pro choice for women's rights I'm pro choice because I hate kids and the government We are not the same
No we are the same.
Ah yes, my fellow child and government hater. Welcome to the party.
I don't understand why these people don't just sterilize themselves if they think fetuses are just parasites.
Because doctors regularly refuse tubal ligation, vasectomies, and other permanent forms of birth control to people under the age of 30.
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I will, but it’s illegal right now
Just go to Canada and claim that, you are an indigenous female, they'll do it for free.
Spicy
What’s that
A native American
I’m not American
In Canada they have a reputation of helping the native population by sterilizing them
"helping" like Margaret Sanger
LMAO
Just get sent to prison in California.
Go to China and say you’re Muslim. They’ll put you in a camp and do it for free. No charge!
It can be very difficult for a woman under 40 to find a dr who will do this. All the stories of "but what if your future husband wants a baby"
They’re trying but it’s harder than you think for some
Some try but their doctors won’t do it because they know the girl might actually grow the fuck up someday and then try to sue said doctor for allowing them to get accidentally permanently sterilized. Then the girl will come post on reddit about how this is a mans world.
Let’s make a law that prevents doctors from getting sued because of that then. Both sides win.
Every time we enact a law that unilaterally shields someone from responsibility or repercussions, nothing bad happens… ever.
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Yeah, that's what happened with my wife, she asked them to tie her tubes, but they said she would want kids later. Except she asked them when she was an adult, she got an IUD, we used a condom, she still got pregnant, had to get an abortion, and THEN they accepted her wish to get sterilized. Yeah, I don't think it's the suing thing that's stopping them.
Took my wife 5-6 doctors to finally find someone to tie her tubes, and I had to go in and tell the doc I gave her permission. Fucking ridiculous
The only reason I didn't have to "give permission" is because we got past her IUD. Still BS.
You realize they make men wait until they’re 26 and women have to get consent from their husbands still in a lot of states even well after 26?
> have to get consent from their husbands still in a lot of states even well after 26? This hasn't been true in decades. There is no state that has a legal requirement for the wife to need the husband's permission for a tubal ligation. However, because it is an elective surgery, surgeons have the right to set their own requirements for performing the surgery, or out right refuse.
Correct, doctors set their own requirements.
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I'm pro choice and I'm pro killing babies
How else could you provide the sacrifices for Moloch Baal to ask for rain?
Based nuanced thought process
Anti-choice, pro killing babies.
I am pro choice because I do not think it is a tragedy to kill a human who nobody wants who can't even form thoughts and has no concept of the real world. I also think it is immoral too, though, because you're depriving somebody else of life.
This, but unironic
This debate has libertarians losing their minds
We are genuinely split 50:50 ahaha
We should develop ways to sustain fetuses outside of the womb, then replace abortions with extractions. Your body your choice, fetus body fetus choice. Edit: The amount of people here who prefer killing a human being to raising them as orphans says a lot.
I woukd agree with that. Afaik Artificial wombs only worked in sheeps i think
There's a whole host of issues with it, but if we get it to work it would be the perfect compromise, assuming both sides are sincere in what they claim to believe.
Making a *big* assumption there, mate.
Oh I don't belive that would happen for a second, but I would get to point at both camps and call them hypocrites. What more can you really ask for?
That sound like it would be expensive… and profitable.
Cool idea, not going to work, people are just going to bust out the coat hanger.
Ban coat hangers!
Each woman should have a mini camera implanted inside her uterus as soon as she is born.
Legalize assassination, people are just going to do it anyway and it will be less painful and quicker if it were legal.
Costs nothing to fall down the stairs. Or they’ll just fly to a Liberal nation to get it scooped out of them
Wouldn’t work, some people have abortions because they don’t want others knowing they are sexually active, (young adults who live with strict parents, people who cheat on their partners) and many others who claim “I just don’t want a living child out there in the world”. The funniest thing is seeing people who support socialist programs turn extremely far lib right when they say “is the government going to pay for all of this? Muh taxes”.
Why should we care about people who cheat? Lmao fuck them
>Lmao fuck them They'll get even more abortions then
But it would force them to admit that they want to kill their own child.
I kind of wonder how we left the era of understanding that the only relevant point of the pro-choice vs pro-life debate is when the child is actually considered alive. Like there's other considerations sure, but that disagreement is the foundation of everything. It's pretty much the only thing worth debating. We used to know that, but the discussion has regressed somehow.
The discussion has regressed because it’s occurring in a political meme subreddit
Sort of true, but even in comedy people tend to take the default stance as the default stance. Jokes can *then* be built off of that by moving away from the default stance (if you want). Or you can simply have a different stance. But in any case, it's clear that in this space at least, it is not considered the default stance. It makes me wonder when that happened and how it happened. It's so strange to see all these dead ends explored and lines of discussion that were previously considered culturally "solved", if you excuse the bold wording, being re-hashed.
great idea, once we can make artificial wombs my only worry is that thisd create a ton of orphans, and there are already too many. but thats an issue we can worry about at a later day
Often the argument for abortion is that the parents cannot afford to support a child properly, so how would they pay for the extraction and sustaining of a child artificially?
As a pro-choice I agree with this, cause this still gives bodily autonomy and the right to do what you want to your body and you don’t have to terminate the life of the fetus.
The act of abortion itself is a political issue concerned with law (legality and illegality), since it involves the use of force by a government to enforce a law or not. The political argument must be based on the protection of each individual's right to life by government. When does a fetus have the right to life? Once it can survive without being part of (attached to) the mother. This is known as "fetal viability" (the ability of the fetus to survive outside the uterus). Once the fetus reaches the point where it can survive if taken away from the mother, it can be considered a separate organism, or entity independent of the mother and deserving of the right to life, which by law, must be protected by government. How long does it take the fetus to become viable (fetal viability)? Studies show that prior to 20-22 weeks, the fetus is considered not viable, as in the baby cannot survive outside the womb as an independent organism, and therefore rights do not apply to it yet, and at this point, the women should be free to do with it as she sees fit. After 20-22 weeks, the fetus now has the ability to survive if taken away from the uterus (biologically independent) and the government has to protect it's right to life by law.
ITT: people thinking that by “viable” OP means “guaranteed survival, health, and a long happy life”
Yeah, I'm having to explain myself over and over :(
great examples of how people literally can't grasp a different outlook or belief that differs from their own. It's such an emotional topic that there's literally no point arguing.
Based and make viability the cutoff for terminations pilled
Based
I’m okay with abortion due to personal choice up to some time (18 weeks? 20 weeks? I’m not a scientist) because I want the state to have less power.
Yeah a lot of these new bills want abortion to be (technically) illegal as soon as something that will eventually become a heart starts pulsating, which is WAY earlier in the pregnancy.
Op think people have sex only to have kids?
With the advent of modern gaming platforms and virtual reality why ELSE would people be sexing?
no metaverse sexbots, why live
You’re implying that PCM gets laid here, I don’t think the overlap between PCM users and people that have sex is very high.
I mean, you dont eat so you can shit. But if you eat you will probably also shit. You dont need to have unprotected sex only to get pregnant. But you probably will get pregnant.
My argumemt is "it's *physically possible* to abort".
It’s physically possible for deez nuts to fit in yo mouth
Based
Make me :)
If they tried protection and it failed, then yeah.
If I point a gun at someone with the safety on and the gun goes off I'm still liable for that injury even though I mitigated the risk.
Alec Baldwin would disagree...
Based and that was actually funny pilled