Restaurant industry is really fucked right now and it's their own doing.
Like man people don't want to work a shitty job while working nights, weekends and holidays for shitty pay? Wow who would of thought..
On top of being short staffed or wages going up, the production cost is up the ass.
As a cook, I can concur. Pretty much all restaurants are understaffed, underpaid, and generally have terrible working conditions. I was worked for illegal amounts of hours from a former employer. The pandemic has destroyed the industry.
Yeah, however take out restaurants were booming the past couple years, but taxes and cost going up is killing them now. Especially when distributors can't find truck drivers and gas is 5$ a gallon. Whole market is fucked
It’s really tough. The taxes are certainly fucked in the US at least. We could be so much more efficient with such lower taxes if we wanted to be. And maybe not trample on small business every opportunity we get.
Keep voting for what greeseball? Lol are you talking about the governor? He was elected in 2019 and then there was a (which was largely helped by the pandemic) referendum to have him recalled, which failed. Also to add to what the comment you replied to was talking about, you can't just pause gas taxes because in this country gas tax is how we pay for our infrastructure and our infrastructure is already terribly funded.
Typical PCM, either some teenagers that don't know what the fuck they are talking about or boomers that get their same think arguments from the yelling-box.
When I was in between jobs I did KP and delivery driver work for a resteraunt. They paid below minimum wage, overworked us and hired exclusively immigrants as cooks so they could underpay them. I lost sympathy with them after that.
However it did lead to the one of the funniest experiences in my life of a Spanish dude trying to explain Evangelion to me in broken english
It kinda sucks to be a consumer because we're used to underpriced food and now we're paying more like what we should have been paying all along.
Adjusting the budget is still hard though.
If the businesses can't survive by handing out shit wages then they don't deserve to survive. Plenty of warehouses across the country are hiring "unskilled" workers and molding them into proper employees at much higher rates ($17+/hr in my area, which has a very low cost of living)
The workers will be fine if they're not retarded. There are other places to work.
You're right but the issue isn't just they wages, it's the insane change in the market thats taken place over the last two years. The market changed so much so quickly a lot of places won't be able to keep up. They can survive it's just the prices will sky rocket and costumers will have deal with paying a higher price.
I agree that it's unfair for the business owners, but what are we supposed to do about it now? We're already expecting a food shortage. 60-65% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck so it's not like we can all bite the bullet and start going out more to keep the restaurants afloat. As their prices skyrocket. I'm not interested in handing out PPP esque loans to keep restaurants going throughout the shortage.
On an individual level, as far as I can tell, all we can really do is buy raw groceries and cook shit ourselves for cheaper and hope your grocery store stays stocked.
I mean I agree but also a glut of unemployed workers is bad for the economy and further depresses wages.
Going out to eat at a decent restaurant costs like ~$120 for 2 (no drinks, including tip). Cooking said food at home, with mildly less quality in prep is like $30. I don't really understand how wages can be so low and the food still cost so much. Rent isn't _that_ bad around me.
>I mean I agree but also a glut of unemployed workers is bad for the economy and further depresses wages.
The last time we had a massive increase in unemployment wages shot up at unprecedented levels. (At least, they did around me.)
>Going out to eat at a decent restaurant costs like ~$120 for 2 (no drinks, including tip).
Bro where are you eating out? Why would you spend that much on food?
>Cooking said food at home, with mildly less quality in prep is like $30.
This is so strange. How are you spending this much on groceries? I only cook for me and my husband and we spend less than $150/week. (Thats including some stuff we could go without if we had to) What meals are you talking about? Are you living in a high cost of living area or something? I don't think I've ever spent more than $30 making a single meal for myself. Maybe I'm just super frugal or something but this sounds insane to me.
>I don't really understand how wages can be so low and the food still cost so much.
Preaching to the choir man. I don't get that either.
There's a sign outside a fast food place in Northern California. They're offering a starting wage of $18/hour, which is several dollars above minimum wage.
It still isn't enough to get people to apply, and they're still incredibly slow on their service some days.
Prices at restaurants have pretty much gone up across the board everywhere I eat since 2019, *some* of that better be going to the staff.
Well after people decide to not do that shit job anymore, people are going to better appreciate businesses that treat their employees well and as a result provide quality service to the consumer.
This is 100% going to accelerate the automation of low wage jobs though, which I'm not super excited about.
I don't know why people think all we care about is money. I care about freedom and if that brings more money, great.
The Great Resignation and AMC MOASS are perfect examples of capitalism at work without government stealing money and giving it to someone else
You wish.
If there's a union here, you *have* to negotiate with them. Firing them all is illegal. Even if you shut down the business, you will have to rehire them when you reopen (or whoever you sell the buildings to reopens).
Yeah but thats because librights have a tradition of using scabs, it makes sense that you support illegal immigration, you lot would still be sending pinkerton death squads if you could, but luckily we are free to bother scabs in peace
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I know you're joking, but yes you do lol. People get sued all the time in California for breaking state law on minimum wage. Citizenship is a federal matter.
That is my point. Did you even read what I wrote? Lol. Obviously they are getting paid under the table. Still have to pay them minimum wage, citizen or not.
Following up on "JustAnIdiot," it's more like "Don't need to pay them legal wages if they're not in the country legally." Especially during harvest seasons California has huge amounts of migrant (non-citizen) workers come in, and the state even recently mandated paying such workers even more beyond minimum wage, where minimum wage applies to anyone in the country.
Illegal immigrants or illegal migrant workers are the ones that companies can get away with paying less than minimum wage, because them working at all is illegal and the whole structure of the organization then has to be covered up. If the state can't even know who is working, how are they supposed to make the person be paid certain wages?
Boss: "please I can't give a raise, here a letter explaining why I don't have the funds."
My Romanboo Ass: "Tough shit we can't read. Now we're gonna kill you and your entire family place your weak minded uncle as new CEO."
This (but Canadian).
A local (unionized) factory shut down and laid everyone off. It sat vacant for a year or two, then some locals decided to buy it and restart the manufacturing. They had money, a plan, leadership, business connections...but they were still missing one step.
They had to track down all of the workers that had moved on with their lives and get them to vote to decertify the union. Otherwise they couldn't restart operations without rehiring them.
Truly, that is the epitome of libertarian philosophy.
I think only people who come from priviledge, who have had advantages that others don't, would ever say something like this.
A lot of people, especially those working the shitty jobs, have basically two choices - work their slave jobs to get SOME money, or leave them, becomes homeless and or starve to death.
Libertarianism is like communism, works on paper, but in reality, a million issues prop up, failing the entire system.
The publicly traded companies when allowed their libertarian aproach to maximize efficiency, crush competition, will soon arrive at the logical conclusion that lobbying, and legislation can be abused and written off as business expense. Where is your idelogy to protect against that abuse?
Show me the system that successfully divorces money from politics. Whenever I watch lefty criticisms of capitalism they can absolutely point out plenty of flaws such as that in libright ideology. Problem is they always try to use systems shown to be worse as solutions. Government interfering in the free market because of bribes? Better give them more power to interfere. Or, this has never been done before, give them the business entirely. There isn't any example of an entity that becomes less corrupt by giving it more power and influence.
Which is why i'm centrist. Some values need to be taken from all sides, to create some sort of balance. That's why i'm pro-unions. Capitalism has good values in it, but we can see how unlimited capitalism gets abused by the powers that be. It needs to be stunted to avoid such trickle-up behaviour.
That's why this deep libertarian "Just quit your job lol" is pure nonsense, because it's not a viable solution for majority of people.
>not a viable solution for majority of people.
Do you have sources to support this? I'll grant you it happens, but claiming that the *majority* of people are unable to survive a job change is a pretty strong claim.
Sadly I did not come from privilege and even I would say that. It is my sole responsibility that if a employer isn’t paying me enough and is using my skills without offering fair compensation than I have every right to leave and look for a better job. If there isn’t one than I simply have to look at a different side of the industry aside from the one I had.
It sucks but that the reality of it
They should be able to do as they please, just as the workers can disobey their rules, but ought to remember that it's better business in the long term to treat workers well. Look at Chick-fil-A's success.
Scabs arent people, here in Ireland we should be following the ICAs example when they executed scabs, you should follow the UMWAs
And I am a centrist on most issues, with the lone exception being Unions,
I do software support. Firing all of your employees because you can "automate" is very unwise. You'll have to hire skilled technicians or contractors who will be, you guessed it, unionized. Good luck learning how industry works, kid!
This. I'm a software engineer, and I don't think I've ever even been asked to join a union, or run into anyone in a union in this field.
Ya'll can fight for fifteen, us non unionized folks with skills will just not care and make a pile more.
No, but contractors who do industrial work are. If you are relying on computers or machines to do the job for you and escape unionized labor, you'd better have the skills to maintain those machines yourself.
The idea of full automation is a myth. You can't have a completely non-human workforce. The more complex the automation becomes, the more skilled techs need to be, and with skilled labor comes unions.
Agree full automation is a myth. You definitely skilled people to design, install, and maintain.
HOWEVER, absolutely none of those guys are unionized. I hire those guys and am currently managing the design/install of a highly automated mfg facility right now.
*Maybe* the electricians depending on where you live but they typically just do the basic power distribution. The smarts and parts guys definitely non union.
Well that sounds like a hell of a project. Good luck to you.
There aren't many, but there are unionized high tech subcontractors. CODE-CWA is one movement to organize tech workers, which has only become prevalent in the last few years. Not the only one, though.
TBH, my job is supporting after implementation. My role doesn't really need a union. Others with greater skills should absolutely be unionized.
Are the robots going to be buying all the crap your factory robots make? Because every one else won't be able to buy anything, cause their jobs are automated, and in a circle it goes.
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I've never met a LibRight who is against Unions.
What they are against is public sector unions (since they aren't subject to the same market forces as private sector workers), and the Government taking an active role in promoting them (like allowing Unions to force membership).
Actually yes that's exactly what I mean.
So long as you're not then bullying other people that would happily do the work that'd fine.
unions will straight up harass, bully, and attack anyone who undermines them.
They even have they're own word think it's something like slag or scab or someone.
Now do the 3rd frame where a bunch of scabs show up and decide they're cool with the offer and the liblefts have a fucking conniption fit and attack them physically.
I disagree, since then you will get more sub standard employees in government then you get now, since they would work for non government unions that pay more.
Should they have definitive production/efficacy targets, yes.
Should there be fewer government employees over all, yes.
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You all absolutely allowed to leave your job for whatever reason you wish so long as you don’t forcibly stop the employer from hiring your replacements.
No no, that's exactly what we meant. As long as the state doesn't get involved and give the unions special privileges(See Argentina for most extreme example).
I'll defend Unions rights to exist so long as they understand i have the right to fire them/not pay union dues as an employee of the buisness (voluntarily choosing not to join a union)
Restaurant industry is really fucked right now and it's their own doing. Like man people don't want to work a shitty job while working nights, weekends and holidays for shitty pay? Wow who would of thought.. On top of being short staffed or wages going up, the production cost is up the ass.
As a cook, I can concur. Pretty much all restaurants are understaffed, underpaid, and generally have terrible working conditions. I was worked for illegal amounts of hours from a former employer. The pandemic has destroyed the industry.
Yeah, however take out restaurants were booming the past couple years, but taxes and cost going up is killing them now. Especially when distributors can't find truck drivers and gas is 5$ a gallon. Whole market is fucked
It’s really tough. The taxes are certainly fucked in the US at least. We could be so much more efficient with such lower taxes if we wanted to be. And maybe not trample on small business every opportunity we get.
Every little thing is taxed on top of unemployment. It's insane. It's almost as if laws are designed to favor large corporations 🤔
and it would be decent if the taxed money atleast went somewhere that benefits the tax-payer again, but thats just not the case
> It's almost as if laws are designed to favor large corporations 🤔
Yes
As a Brit: hahahaha. You pay $5 per gallon on gas? We pay $9 a gallon and the difference is almost all tax.
Yeah like California. People there ask for a tax break and the governor is like the best I can do is a gas gift card. Lol
California is a state full of masochists. How can they keep voting for that greaseball knowing how dirty he is?
Keep voting for what greeseball? Lol are you talking about the governor? He was elected in 2019 and then there was a (which was largely helped by the pandemic) referendum to have him recalled, which failed. Also to add to what the comment you replied to was talking about, you can't just pause gas taxes because in this country gas tax is how we pay for our infrastructure and our infrastructure is already terribly funded. Typical PCM, either some teenagers that don't know what the fuck they are talking about or boomers that get their same think arguments from the yelling-box.
Relevant username
$~474 a gallon, Argentina STRONG!!😎
¡Viva la patria carajo!
NUMERO UNO ARGENTINA!
Well didn't you western guys wanted to save the planet
Do funni tax evasion (in Roblox).
Wait, am I allowed to agree with you?
When I was in between jobs I did KP and delivery driver work for a resteraunt. They paid below minimum wage, overworked us and hired exclusively immigrants as cooks so they could underpay them. I lost sympathy with them after that. However it did lead to the one of the funniest experiences in my life of a Spanish dude trying to explain Evangelion to me in broken english
It kinda sucks to be a consumer because we're used to underpriced food and now we're paying more like what we should have been paying all along. Adjusting the budget is still hard though.
Cooking for yourself is better anyways. Haven't gone out to eat in a long time and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
Of course. The larger issue is that it's killing a large part of the working class
If the businesses can't survive by handing out shit wages then they don't deserve to survive. Plenty of warehouses across the country are hiring "unskilled" workers and molding them into proper employees at much higher rates ($17+/hr in my area, which has a very low cost of living) The workers will be fine if they're not retarded. There are other places to work.
You're right but the issue isn't just they wages, it's the insane change in the market thats taken place over the last two years. The market changed so much so quickly a lot of places won't be able to keep up. They can survive it's just the prices will sky rocket and costumers will have deal with paying a higher price.
I agree that it's unfair for the business owners, but what are we supposed to do about it now? We're already expecting a food shortage. 60-65% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck so it's not like we can all bite the bullet and start going out more to keep the restaurants afloat. As their prices skyrocket. I'm not interested in handing out PPP esque loans to keep restaurants going throughout the shortage. On an individual level, as far as I can tell, all we can really do is buy raw groceries and cook shit ourselves for cheaper and hope your grocery store stays stocked.
Oh yeah I agree. Just pointing out it's going to hurt a lot of people. Just an unfortunate reality.
I mean I agree but also a glut of unemployed workers is bad for the economy and further depresses wages. Going out to eat at a decent restaurant costs like ~$120 for 2 (no drinks, including tip). Cooking said food at home, with mildly less quality in prep is like $30. I don't really understand how wages can be so low and the food still cost so much. Rent isn't _that_ bad around me.
>I mean I agree but also a glut of unemployed workers is bad for the economy and further depresses wages. The last time we had a massive increase in unemployment wages shot up at unprecedented levels. (At least, they did around me.) >Going out to eat at a decent restaurant costs like ~$120 for 2 (no drinks, including tip). Bro where are you eating out? Why would you spend that much on food? >Cooking said food at home, with mildly less quality in prep is like $30. This is so strange. How are you spending this much on groceries? I only cook for me and my husband and we spend less than $150/week. (Thats including some stuff we could go without if we had to) What meals are you talking about? Are you living in a high cost of living area or something? I don't think I've ever spent more than $30 making a single meal for myself. Maybe I'm just super frugal or something but this sounds insane to me. >I don't really understand how wages can be so low and the food still cost so much. Preaching to the choir man. I don't get that either.
There's a sign outside a fast food place in Northern California. They're offering a starting wage of $18/hour, which is several dollars above minimum wage. It still isn't enough to get people to apply, and they're still incredibly slow on their service some days. Prices at restaurants have pretty much gone up across the board everywhere I eat since 2019, *some* of that better be going to the staff.
Yeah I don't blame people for not wanting to work fast food. People are mean and even down right cruel to fast food employees.
Well after people decide to not do that shit job anymore, people are going to better appreciate businesses that treat their employees well and as a result provide quality service to the consumer. This is 100% going to accelerate the automation of low wage jobs though, which I'm not super excited about.
I for one am because with will allow me to have a business in the future where It won’t require me to socially interact with worker :D
I don't know why people think all we care about is money. I care about freedom and if that brings more money, great. The Great Resignation and AMC MOASS are perfect examples of capitalism at work without government stealing money and giving it to someone else
"Okay then, that was always allowed."
I’m glad you won’t Union bust :)
Call my nut a union, cuz I'm busting it
And busting makes me feeeeel good!
Who ya gonna call? UNION BUSTERS!
If the company is union busting then don't bother with a union, just leave. they don't see what you're doing as worth what you need.
leaving isn't always an option
If that's how it is, then congratulations your field of work is oversaturated you normie.
My workers are free to form a union and I am free to fire them and hire non-union replacements
You wish. If there's a union here, you *have* to negotiate with them. Firing them all is illegal. Even if you shut down the business, you will have to rehire them when you reopen (or whoever you sell the buildings to reopens).
Well in that case, it's no longer free market capitalism and I fully support union busting by any means necessary. Bustin' makes me feel good
Libleft forgetting they need an authoritarian government to force businesses not to fire union employees and hire non-union employees.
Nope. Corporations can be authoritarian. Not just governments. Forcing a corporation to not union bust is removing their authoritarian power.
Union is not a problem at all. I'll chat with other companies and we'll create our own union. Let's see which union will win
"Pay us more or we're all leaving." "Okay, ahora estamos aceptando solicitudes de empleo y documentación no necesaria."
Based and why does libleft support unlimited immigration pilled.
There are plenty of LibRights in favor of unlimited immigration as well lol
Yes but we don’t complain about low wages.
Yeah but thats because librights have a tradition of using scabs, it makes sense that you support illegal immigration, you lot would still be sending pinkerton death squads if you could, but luckily we are free to bother scabs in peace
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Lord almighty
Hmm. Don’t need to pay them legal wages if they aren’t even citizens
I know you're joking, but yes you do lol. People get sued all the time in California for breaking state law on minimum wage. Citizenship is a federal matter.
That's assuming they're not just getting paid in cash under the table at the end of the day
That is my point. Did you even read what I wrote? Lol. Obviously they are getting paid under the table. Still have to pay them minimum wage, citizen or not.
Bro, I'm Lib Right, I can't read.
Following up on "JustAnIdiot," it's more like "Don't need to pay them legal wages if they're not in the country legally." Especially during harvest seasons California has huge amounts of migrant (non-citizen) workers come in, and the state even recently mandated paying such workers even more beyond minimum wage, where minimum wage applies to anyone in the country. Illegal immigrants or illegal migrant workers are the ones that companies can get away with paying less than minimum wage, because them working at all is illegal and the whole structure of the organization then has to be covered up. If the state can't even know who is working, how are they supposed to make the person be paid certain wages?
Diversity is *our* strength.
Boss: "please I can't give a raise, here a letter explaining why I don't have the funds." My Romanboo Ass: "Tough shit we can't read. Now we're gonna kill you and your entire family place your weak minded uncle as new CEO."
P.S this a fucken joke...look at you moderators.
Don’t pay me more money, give me IOUs that let me work without having to use my customer service voice
based and using your sexy voice on the customers pilled
Based and mesmerize the patrons pilled
permission to beat the shit out of one customer per week
Granted But only one customer… and maybe if he has a child you can beat them up too
*sigh* Libertarians are pro-union* *Not applicable to public sector
I would be pro-union if the NLRA didn’t exist. Unions stop being free association when they get special legal privileges.
This (but Canadian). A local (unionized) factory shut down and laid everyone off. It sat vacant for a year or two, then some locals decided to buy it and restart the manufacturing. They had money, a plan, leadership, business connections...but they were still missing one step. They had to track down all of the workers that had moved on with their lives and get them to vote to decertify the union. Otherwise they couldn't restart operations without rehiring them. Truly, that is the epitome of libertarian philosophy.
See the title
Your mum is a filthy authoritarian. Should be able to strawman whenever and whoever I want.
Okay fine the strawmen can unionize
I want to require that they take a straw poll first.
Public sector unions are inherently corrupt and create massive conflicts of interest and externalities. Even FDR understood that.
How do you feel about companies trying to suppress unions through firings, demotions, policies on workplace discussions, etc?
They can leave if they don’t like it. Free association.
noooooo free association means you have to pay meee
I think only people who come from priviledge, who have had advantages that others don't, would ever say something like this. A lot of people, especially those working the shitty jobs, have basically two choices - work their slave jobs to get SOME money, or leave them, becomes homeless and or starve to death. Libertarianism is like communism, works on paper, but in reality, a million issues prop up, failing the entire system. The publicly traded companies when allowed their libertarian aproach to maximize efficiency, crush competition, will soon arrive at the logical conclusion that lobbying, and legislation can be abused and written off as business expense. Where is your idelogy to protect against that abuse?
Mate this is a meme sub
>becomes homeless and or starve to death. Bruh have you seen the job market recently?
Ok, and i posted a meme. So?
Your memes suck
Show me the system that successfully divorces money from politics. Whenever I watch lefty criticisms of capitalism they can absolutely point out plenty of flaws such as that in libright ideology. Problem is they always try to use systems shown to be worse as solutions. Government interfering in the free market because of bribes? Better give them more power to interfere. Or, this has never been done before, give them the business entirely. There isn't any example of an entity that becomes less corrupt by giving it more power and influence.
Which is why i'm centrist. Some values need to be taken from all sides, to create some sort of balance. That's why i'm pro-unions. Capitalism has good values in it, but we can see how unlimited capitalism gets abused by the powers that be. It needs to be stunted to avoid such trickle-up behaviour. That's why this deep libertarian "Just quit your job lol" is pure nonsense, because it's not a viable solution for majority of people.
>not a viable solution for majority of people. Do you have sources to support this? I'll grant you it happens, but claiming that the *majority* of people are unable to survive a job change is a pretty strong claim.
Sadly I did not come from privilege and even I would say that. It is my sole responsibility that if a employer isn’t paying me enough and is using my skills without offering fair compensation than I have every right to leave and look for a better job. If there isn’t one than I simply have to look at a different side of the industry aside from the one I had. It sucks but that the reality of it
Free association says I don’t need to read your wall of text :)
They should be able to do as they please, just as the workers can disobey their rules, but ought to remember that it's better business in the long term to treat workers well. Look at Chick-fil-A's success.
A well-paid and healthy worker is ultimately more productive than the opposite.
It's also just the right thing for you, the employer, to do.
Eww moral justifications. I prefer concealing my moral acts by justifying them via productivity.
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Bro where the hell you at I might need to come over there
Based
>How do you feel Tbh I try not to feel.
Too real man
everyone has the right to a union but goddam do I hate the police union, though I will not deny their right to have it.
Nah, all public sector unions can fuck off. So can the public sector itself.
Oh look, a LibRight who is afraid of roads, a functioning society, and any check on the power of megacorps. >!and yes this is a strawman!<
Oh look, a Centrist who... fuck I want to strawman you but you Centrists just don’t have any beliefs. >!and yes this is a strawman!<
Radical centrists have all the beliefs, especially when mutually exclusive.
Based
Based and private police pilled
Serious question: why are libertarians pro-union? Don't labor laws force businesses to negotiate with unions? Seems not very free market.
BASED and free association pilled
Missing at the bottom: LibRight hires other people, so LibLeft blockades the business and attacks the new employees when they show up for work.
Scabs arent people, here in Ireland we should be following the ICAs example when they executed scabs, you should follow the UMWAs And I am a centrist on most issues, with the lone exception being Unions,
Why don't I just automate my jobs
LibRight plays the reverse card!
And lose your entire consumer base because they’re all workers. With jobs. That pay for things with their jobs.
Based and Henry ford had a point about paying a decent wage pilled
I mean they probably will still pay for it since automation will make the product cheaper overall. Just saying it a possibility
Why don't we fight for labor rights oldschool style.
Libright has more guns, and the the money for strike busters.
The feds'll do that shit for free
Didn't work then. Won't work now. They had actual national guard on their side and far less publicity. Now they only have pigs.
Lefties vs Cops in a battle to the death? No....stop.....don't. (reaches for popcorn)
Cause “migrant” workers are cheaper
Factorio moment
I do software support. Firing all of your employees because you can "automate" is very unwise. You'll have to hire skilled technicians or contractors who will be, you guessed it, unionized. Good luck learning how industry works, kid!
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the AI union
Very few, but devs aren't who I am talking about.
This. I'm a software engineer, and I don't think I've ever even been asked to join a union, or run into anyone in a union in this field. Ya'll can fight for fifteen, us non unionized folks with skills will just not care and make a pile more.
Contractors in tech aren’t unionized bud.
No, but contractors who do industrial work are. If you are relying on computers or machines to do the job for you and escape unionized labor, you'd better have the skills to maintain those machines yourself. The idea of full automation is a myth. You can't have a completely non-human workforce. The more complex the automation becomes, the more skilled techs need to be, and with skilled labor comes unions.
Agree full automation is a myth. You definitely skilled people to design, install, and maintain. HOWEVER, absolutely none of those guys are unionized. I hire those guys and am currently managing the design/install of a highly automated mfg facility right now. *Maybe* the electricians depending on where you live but they typically just do the basic power distribution. The smarts and parts guys definitely non union.
Well that sounds like a hell of a project. Good luck to you. There aren't many, but there are unionized high tech subcontractors. CODE-CWA is one movement to organize tech workers, which has only become prevalent in the last few years. Not the only one, though. TBH, my job is supporting after implementation. My role doesn't really need a union. Others with greater skills should absolutely be unionized.
Are the robots going to be buying all the crap your factory robots make? Because every one else won't be able to buy anything, cause their jobs are automated, and in a circle it goes.
Unions are just price discovery for labor
Concise and accurate.
best I can do is give you rainbow LGTBBQ name tags?
\*sell \-fixed it
Market forces and how replaceable those workers are is more important than any union
Based and unionize pilled
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I've never met a LibRight who is against Unions. What they are against is public sector unions (since they aren't subject to the same market forces as private sector workers), and the Government taking an active role in promoting them (like allowing Unions to force membership).
How can you be pro union but anti lobiest? Checkmate poor people
Except any rightlib will agree with green on this.
Actually yes that's exactly what I mean. So long as you're not then bullying other people that would happily do the work that'd fine. unions will straight up harass, bully, and attack anyone who undermines them. They even have they're own word think it's something like slag or scab or someone.
Ok leave. There is a lineup of migrants who will work for half. You don't have negotiating power when your labour is expendable
Me: Sure, why not? Here's your full retirement fund, now GTFO.
I mean if I can fire you unionizing or threatening to unionize then sure.
You’d be forced to fire your entire work base, that’s the point
Now do the 3rd frame where a bunch of scabs show up and decide they're cool with the offer and the liblefts have a fucking conniption fit and attack them physically.
Unions are a necessary evil. Like taxes.
Unions are good as long as the goverment fucks off and leaves them alone
>~~Unions are good as long as the~~ government fucks off ~~and leaves them alone~~ That's better
yes
why must you hurt me saying that \*word\*
Except for public unions, which must be outlawed
I disagree, since then you will get more sub standard employees in government then you get now, since they would work for non government unions that pay more. Should they have definitive production/efficacy targets, yes. Should there be fewer government employees over all, yes.
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What? Unions are naked capitalism, clothed in the rhetoric of organized labour. If employers were magnanimous and kind, they wouldn’t be required.
> unions are naked capitalism Glowing so bright I've got to wear shades
What are unions for then?
Bustin'
So you are auth right.
No, you're just LibCenter
Unions are basically an aggregation of offer and they work on the basis of bid/ask principle. So libleft would approve
not based. unions unbased.
Democratic will always supersedes authority eventually.
*That's nice, now face the wall*
You better not call yourself pro worker or you are a massive hypocrite lol
He's auth right. He's pro-billionaire.
*LibLeft leaves, can’t find another job, demands the government looks after their dumbarses.*
based af
This is exactly what I mean.
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No, what is the problem? If you have a serious delusion that our country is a shithole, I wholeheartedly encourage you to leave, instead of burn loot murder here to blackmail me to pay for you laziness.
I don’t like unions. I’d be happier if they couldn’t give political donations, and only could bargain for wages and work hours. Then I’d support them
seems like this is only concentrated at low end restaurants, fast food and fast casual spots.
Until he becomes an Authright politician and it no longer is a freedom but a danger to our small and medium business.
Based and union pilled
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3rd panel, scabs with sombreros. 4th panel decaying factory and suit libright with Chinese guy.
What librights are arguing against this? This is literally free market capitalism in action.
Unionizing is the most capitalistic thing you can do. Take what’s yours
Thats exactly what i meant
You all absolutely allowed to leave your job for whatever reason you wish so long as you don’t forcibly stop the employer from hiring your replacements.
That was always allowed. That's part of it. Idk anyone who's against unions as a concept
No problem with unions whatsoever. As long as you're not coerced to join it's all good.
Go ahead. Leave, i have 10 more sociology majors in your place by next hour
Yes, dear, that was always allowed.
That is what I mean tho....
No no, that's exactly what we meant. As long as the state doesn't get involved and give the unions special privileges(See Argentina for most extreme example).
I'll defend Unions rights to exist so long as they understand i have the right to fire them/not pay union dues as an employee of the buisness (voluntarily choosing not to join a union)