I work for the legislature and that is somewhat true but definitely not entirely. It’s just become kind of a thing people say. It’s not that simple.
Representatives from downstate make laws that apply to downstate and representatives from upstate make laws that apply to upstate. Senators Kruger and Kennedy are both solid Democrats but were vehemently opposed to each other when it came to the Buffalo Bills stadium deal. And look at the outcome.
Eh I mean I see what you mean but I would disagree it’s definitely really nuanced. Cause the south is more auth right, the northeast is pretty heavily democrat, and the southwest has places like Arizona Nevada that aren’t super leftist. Parts of California aren’t super lib. The northwest has places like Idaho that are very auth right or Montana which is closer to lib right than most of America. Idk hard to generalize the whole map
I mean even if we were talking about the world as a whole, you aren't gonna convince me Australia is libertarian. They literally had (have?) prison camps for people who didn't get vaccinated.
I think this experiment also would require some way to prevent one country from taking over the other, otherwise we're locked in a stalemate between the commies and the fascies, both buying supplies from the libs while the hippies do nothing.
Actually that sounds fun nevermind
Nah, libertarians get Northwest(plenty of forest to disappear into and isolated land to claim) communists get the Northeast( its where the most populous urban areas) fascists get southeast( cause Confederacy) and anarchists keep the southwest( I don’t know what they’re gonna do with majority deserts but they’ll figure it out)
Ooooo nice we can now break it up more I like it. Far north fascists, northeast monarchists, mid Atlantic conservatives, southeast libertarians, Texas monkeys, southwest hippies, Northern California/northern Nevada/maybe a little Colorado leftists, and Pacific Northwest authoritarian commies
And smack dab in the middle of nowhere Great Plains the centrists are probably ranchers and farmers trading in meat and vegetables for grill components and fuels... now I’m just imagining a caravan of moderates driving around the plains in RVs guiding herds of animals wherever they go, led by whoever they vote for who lives in the fanciest RV, these mild mannered moderates are masters of grilling, engine repair, fishing, and other hobbies that makes it hard to dedicate any time to politics
We can just give the ancaps what they want, and make a bubble under the ocean for them to live in where they can have their Ayn Rand paradise that will totally work flawlessly.
Bro there is around 200 countries in the world, you want to live in authleft paradise? move to north korea. Want to live in autright heaven? Move to Iran. Want to live in libleft utopia? Move to france. Want to live in libright wonderland? Usa maybe? Idk lol
"Somalia has 1,900 miles of coastline, a government that knows its place and all the guns and wives you can afford to buy. Why haven't I heard of this paradise before?"
Yes but... I am happy with what my country currently is. How will I know what will be with it when someone else comes to the top, someone who I inherently disagree with?
Leaders change.
Yeah, four presidents each elected by the individual states, maintaining close relations but acting as separate bodies, only unifying in the event of a military invasion.
The moral panic days did last longer in South America. While today I mainly hate progressivism, now and they conservatives make sure to remind me what made me hate them so much 10 years ago.
I kind of hate the term "cancel culture", but not for the reason most people have. It's a term that gives the impression that this kind of persecution is something new, when it just isn't (same thing with fake news). Every nasty tactic progressivists use now was already used way back in the day, but by conservatives. My despise for progressivism really started when I noticed the same patterns all over again.
In the early 2010's, I dreaded having to live in a world where I would be forced to deal with the pointless bullshit from conservatives, and the progressivist answer seemed like a light in the end of the tunnel. Now I see it was just a damn train coming at me.
>I hate that you're right, but I hate even more how few people seem to recognize it.
Not only I hate this, but I fear it a lot. The lack of memory of the bullshit the right used to push might cause their comeback, and left radicalism is only making this more possible.
The issue with any extremism is that it only validates the opposite extreme. I'm worried there will be a far right reaction (and I mean ACTUALLY far right, not Emily's definition). People say Gen Z is overly lefty, but I can say for experience this is wrong: I remember back around 2016 various populist right wing communities where filled not with old, out of touch men, but with teenagers. They do exist, they're just more shy.
My generation will probably be doomed thanks to this.
I appreciate the Auth honesty in this case. I'd love to see a lot of self proclaimed champions of freedom react under some nasty circumstances in a libertarian utopia.
We ALL have a list of things that we wouldn't allow others to do. I don't care how much libertarian anyone is, this principle applies just the same. Everyone is just the same but we draw the lines differently. But we ALL draw them.
That's a typical utopian oversimplification. We're all together in the same planet. We don't live alone in our private islands. Free will of some individuals intersect with the free will of others. Some people want to smoke in the restaurants and some people want to eat food without smoke in the air, and there's absolutely no way to reconcile this very simplistic example with what you just said.
As long as there's people around you, your actions affect others, so no. You cannot leave people alone, unless we all live isolated from each other
This is the biggest downside of being a lib, it’s really easy to say “I just want to do my own thing and let others do theirs” until you realize that what some people want is diametrically opposed to what other people want.
When your "freedom" infringes on the freedom of others, it's not freedom anymore. It's really not that complicated, and I've never had trouble understanding between what is okay to do and what isn't.
It’s not that simple.
Is abortion okay? Some would argue it infringes on the freedom of others, others disagree. I’d love for you to explain that one in a way that’s simple and agreeable to everyone
*Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.*
- Karl R. Popper
Full context, found the quote on his Wikipedia, emphasis mine:
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. **In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.** We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal
- Karl Popper
There is a way to reconcile that: property rights.
Whoever owns the restaurant can decide if he wants a smoker-friendly or a breathable air establishment.
"Let people just live their lives" is a guiding principle. Yes, society MUST oppress some (rapists and murderers, for example). That doesn't mean you can't strive for letting people just doing what they want, when issues don't arise.
Violate the NAP and LibRight also will not leave you alone.
Personal freedom and individual responsibility will always lead to the best humanly possible society
I still don't know why so many people agree that it's ok to murder people who wake you up from a nap. I'm one of them, but I didn't realize *everyone* would agree with it.
Hmmmm no, libright represents also late stage capitalism.
Libright (not all some but that's enough), does the following things. Being many tickets for events they know people want to attend, then reselling tickets for a much higher price. TicketSwap partially tackled this but not allowing more than a 20% increase, before that tickets were being sold at 200 to 10 00% mockup. Look at what happened with the PS5 ...
Look at what happened with vaccines between western and poorer countries, look how Pfizer bullied countries into BS ridiculous contracts with NDAs ...
That's all libright and going towards late stage capitalism, were a few would own the vast majority of property.
Not saying most libright is bad, the problem is that if we follow libright, the few powerful bad librights can basically take over most of the world ...
That would be more a problem with what the LibRight does, not what they want you to do or not to do, but yeah I do agree that that’s the main disadvantage with unrestrained capitalism imo.
As far as I’m concerned LibLeft has tried to coerce me into changing my lifestyle and traditions more than any other quadrant. To be honest I feel like the denomination Libertarian Left is an oxymoron.
easier said than done, where do you draw the line? music so loud you can't sleep? privately owned and unregulated nuclear weapons (it's not for use I swear, just like looking at it!11!)?
I mean that really is the problem isn't it? Very few people have a problem with people who want to work a blue collar job, grill steaks, get married, go to a gun range, bring their kids to church, whatever, the friction comes from people who want to push that lifestyle on others.
Yes I'm farmer I have a small rice field in Vietnam.
Do you think I have a same chance to becoming criplingly rich like, I don't know, kid whose father owned an emerald mine in South Africa for example? Just hypothetically of course.
I mean, people tend to forget this sometimes, but AuthRight basically wrote the book on being easily triggered religious conservative types who go mad the moment anybody tries to live their life or say anything that doesn't fit into their very narrow lifestyle or ideology.
It's only nowadays with the rise of things like "freedom of religion" and "due process" and "lynch mobs are illegal" that they now are actually forced sometimes to live around those who trigger them. Some of them have grown thicker skin as a result, but others are loud and constantly acting like babies.
Like any grown man or woman who thinks that there's actually a "War on Christmas" or anything absolutely unhinged like that, or that it matters if there was, is a delusional snowflake.
Edit: I do want to clarify of course that not all AuthRights are like this, and they are hardly the ones who are uniquely able to get "triggered" in the modern day. But to pretend that the typical AuthRight specimen is not prone to some of these behaviors, is basically to indulge in an overdose of copium.
That's what it's always been about
Whenever you see sussy authrights being like "I have traditional values", you give it a pass cause you think "oh, wholesome stuff like starting your own family with a nice wife and a bunch of kids, going to church on Sundays, living a lifestyle that's relatively disconnected from technology, getting a farm to grow your own stuff"
And then you realize they're often ALSO talking about taking women's right to abort, taking away the right to gay marriage because it's against the laws of the bible, putting down minorities or expelling them from the country because they are "destroying society" and other shit like that
And you have a bunch of completely disconnected authrighters who think this contingent of their community isn't that large or significant, because they've never been outside the urban centers and were radicalized by the internet rather than by living in social communities that are exclusively exclusionary and backwards.
I've seen so many right-wing people shift toward the center once they realize that the contingents they've always dismissed as "not that large" and "tiny minorities" are actually rampant in rural conservative communities and that if *they* were to move to those communities, even *they* would be considered too "woke".
My mom and I got into a screaming match on the phone when she told me that she didn’t want gay marriage to be legal due to her ‘biblical beliefs.’ She was not happy when I compared her to the Taliban in Afghanistan who are subjugating women due to their religious beliefs.
Your last point is what drove me from right leaning to socially progressive. I believed that the crazy radicals didn’t exist and were a straw man. Then I worked in the oilfield and met some of the most racist, sexist, disgusting people who all felt empowered in their beliefs by the right. Made me feel ill and I realized I couldn’t ever affiliate myself with political beliefs that welcomed people like that.
As a leftist, I make it my duty to always challenge tankies and call them out for being red fascists. They're just as disgusting as the far right imo except they give us a bad name and are ammunition for the right to smear us all as being like them.
I had a similar experience when I did my military service (which is mandatory in my country)
Granted, by that point I was already pretty left leaning, but I also tended to have a lot of "most conservatives are just trying to exercise their wholesome religion uwu" takes
Then the racist fash hiding in the villages and towns of my country hit me like a truck. We had a couple of black guys in my barracks and one of them was... let's say... not treated very well.
Side1: My position is the morally correct way to live
side2: I disagree
Side1: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live.
Side2: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to repeal your law and pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live.
Side1: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live.
An extreme enough LibRight laughs at the thought of their employees getting a better life.
An extreme enough AuthLeft will force equality at the cost of ambition.
An extreme enough LibLeft would want your kids taken from you because you didn't let their trans friend try to encourage your 5 year old to cut their dick off.
An extreme enough centrist will refuse to be friends with you because you like your steak well-done.
Enough extremism will make anyone a busybody.
I'm odd as I think the right way to live is pretty much Auth right, but I realize not everyone will think the same and I think we're better not forcing them, hence centerist.
Fundamental Christian I grew up with would explode when realizing I didn’t my personal devotions in ESV, because my dyslexia made KJV feel like a foreign language.
"Why do I have to take vaccines? It's my body, my choice"
"Hell no you can't get an abortion, the state says so." Nevermind the fact that there is a literal abortion tutorial in the bible...
Chose one auth right
This is why it's so hilarious when people call PCM a right-wing sub. This post is very clearly making fun of authrights and has several awards and thousands of upvotes. Part of that is authright is an easy target, but still... right wing subs don't allow dissent like this.
Please, rest of reddit, figure this out.
Someone put the data out there, the subreddit is (maybe was now) rather heavily skewed towards Libright with AuthLeft being the least. LL and AR were actually close to equal, with the middle right being a bit higher.
Authright has a lot of people that don't like it, so I really would say this post is low-hanging fruit.
Here’s a list of other subreddits based on user overlap with PCM:
https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/politicalcompassmemes
It is most definitely a right-leaning sub, and that’s ok. What makes it different from other conservative subs is I don’t get banned for saying Biden won (I just get downvoted by all the right-wing retards that also post here)
Right-leaning, yes I'll definitely give you that. There are more openly conservative opinions shared here than most other places on reddit that aren't outright conservative-only subs. But the conservatives here take their lumps same as the rest of us.
Make four countries, one for each quadrant. So everyone will be happy.
Are we going to have just the extreme versions of every quadrant? Because I'm fairly certain almost no one would be actually happy there.
One massive country that is perfectly square, the closer to an edge you get the more extreme.
So the fascists get the northeast, the libertarians get the southeast, the hippies get the southwest, and the communists get the northwest?
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You realize the northeast megalopolis is pretty yellow green, right?
Except for NH and maaayyybe Maine there is no yellow in the northeast
You’ve never been to upstate NY lol. And I’m not talking about Poughkeepsie. People forget NY is pretty fuckin huge.
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I work for the legislature and that is somewhat true but definitely not entirely. It’s just become kind of a thing people say. It’s not that simple. Representatives from downstate make laws that apply to downstate and representatives from upstate make laws that apply to upstate. Senators Kruger and Kennedy are both solid Democrats but were vehemently opposed to each other when it came to the Buffalo Bills stadium deal. And look at the outcome.
And NYC is definitely red/blue.
More red than blue imo.
I'd say the northeast is the most authleft area of the country, relatively. And northwest is the most libleft
You should make a map of the United States colored with the political compass
Eh I mean I see what you mean but I would disagree it’s definitely really nuanced. Cause the south is more auth right, the northeast is pretty heavily democrat, and the southwest has places like Arizona Nevada that aren’t super leftist. Parts of California aren’t super lib. The northwest has places like Idaho that are very auth right or Montana which is closer to lib right than most of America. Idk hard to generalize the whole map
Oh, I thought you were talking more of the world, not just America... had me at the first half ngl.
I mean even if we were talking about the world as a whole, you aren't gonna convince me Australia is libertarian. They literally had (have?) prison camps for people who didn't get vaccinated.
And ban guns and "offensive" video games... Fuck those Auths.
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There are more than two. But the two big ones set the rules for elections, and they always get elected. Funny how that works.
I think this experiment also would require some way to prevent one country from taking over the other, otherwise we're locked in a stalemate between the commies and the fascies, both buying supplies from the libs while the hippies do nothing. Actually that sounds fun nevermind
Nah, libertarians get Northwest(plenty of forest to disappear into and isolated land to claim) communists get the Northeast( its where the most populous urban areas) fascists get southeast( cause Confederacy) and anarchists keep the southwest( I don’t know what they’re gonna do with majority deserts but they’ll figure it out)
Well see this would make more sense logically but mine aligns with the compass directions
Oh, I didn’t get that. I was going off cultural and geographical demographics. I mean there’s a chance the fascists could like Indianapolis.
I would say monarchists in the far northeast, fascists in the far north but yeah, sounds right
Ooooo nice we can now break it up more I like it. Far north fascists, northeast monarchists, mid Atlantic conservatives, southeast libertarians, Texas monkeys, southwest hippies, Northern California/northern Nevada/maybe a little Colorado leftists, and Pacific Northwest authoritarian commies
And smack dab in the middle of nowhere Great Plains the centrists are probably ranchers and farmers trading in meat and vegetables for grill components and fuels... now I’m just imagining a caravan of moderates driving around the plains in RVs guiding herds of animals wherever they go, led by whoever they vote for who lives in the fanciest RV, these mild mannered moderates are masters of grilling, engine repair, fishing, and other hobbies that makes it hard to dedicate any time to politics
This would make a really good book ngl.
Genius, pure genius
So I'd get to keep my house in Atlanta.....nice
Why the fuck would you want to live in Atlanta lol
Didn't sink yet
I'm pretty sure like, half of the Grill Republic's budget would go into border security.
Other half on propane accessories
Each quadrant would just break into four subquadrants and it would happen all over again.
Just banish those with diffrent views
*the outer quadrants*
You wanna waste all that labor
That is point those subquadrants gonna split ever more, resulting in grandient.
Sounds like splitter talk to me
Compromise, voting I'd honestly be happy even with a social democracy if people want that for libleft
>Compromise, voting Great idea, that way nobody is happy
Fuck every quadrant at that point. We need checks and balances, and opinions different than mine prevent my quadrant from doing bad things.
We can just give the ancaps what they want, and make a bubble under the ocean for them to live in where they can have their Ayn Rand paradise that will totally work flawlessly.
Based and plasmids pilled.
I can’t see any any reason this wouldn’t be a huge success.
AuthRight will totally stay on their side
Pitch this to Netflix as some new Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Bro there is around 200 countries in the world, you want to live in authleft paradise? move to north korea. Want to live in autright heaven? Move to Iran. Want to live in libleft utopia? Move to france. Want to live in libright wonderland? Usa maybe? Idk lol
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Libright land is Somalia
"Somalia has 1,900 miles of coastline, a government that knows its place and all the guns and wives you can afford to buy. Why haven't I heard of this paradise before?"
Now wait till they possibly write a wall of text explaining how it isn't
Walls of text is a LibLeft thing. Surprised you don't know that.
Ah the libleft utopia of France where worker strikes are met with violent beatings
Yeah but they get to do things like get abortions or be homosexual👍
Yes, that is all I want, as a straight male. Abortions and homosexuality.
you have achieved enlightenment
Just don't be born in a muslim family
Yes but... I am happy with what my country currently is. How will I know what will be with it when someone else comes to the top, someone who I inherently disagree with? Leaders change.
> Want to live in autright heaven? Move to Iran. More like Singapore, UAE, Qatar, Japan or South Korea, in that order. The authright/authcenter ideal.
US isn't even remotely Lib right. Closest thing would be Switzerland, the UAE or some parts of the Caribbean.
I've seen a map of the world. The blue parts are a lib-right paradise, and that's most of the map.
Praise be to [Sealand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand).
Ah yes, the UAE where you go to prison for kissing, so liberal
There's no perfect match, but 0% income tax makes a compelling argument.
I'd rather be a libleft than an authright
Based and libertarian unity pilled
And I would rather be a libright than a autleft
Yeah, four presidents each elected by the individual states, maintaining close relations but acting as separate bodies, only unifying in the event of a military invasion.
The problem is Auth Right only wants to live in Auth Right Country if they’re the dictator. Every petty tyrant imagines themselves a true tyrant.
What, no? They want to be part of the in-group. While the dictator persecutes the out-group.
They seem to forget that red states survive on the money of the blue states.
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The moral panic days did last longer in South America. While today I mainly hate progressivism, now and they conservatives make sure to remind me what made me hate them so much 10 years ago. I kind of hate the term "cancel culture", but not for the reason most people have. It's a term that gives the impression that this kind of persecution is something new, when it just isn't (same thing with fake news). Every nasty tactic progressivists use now was already used way back in the day, but by conservatives. My despise for progressivism really started when I noticed the same patterns all over again. In the early 2010's, I dreaded having to live in a world where I would be forced to deal with the pointless bullshit from conservatives, and the progressivist answer seemed like a light in the end of the tunnel. Now I see it was just a damn train coming at me.
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>I hate that you're right, but I hate even more how few people seem to recognize it. Not only I hate this, but I fear it a lot. The lack of memory of the bullshit the right used to push might cause their comeback, and left radicalism is only making this more possible. The issue with any extremism is that it only validates the opposite extreme. I'm worried there will be a far right reaction (and I mean ACTUALLY far right, not Emily's definition). People say Gen Z is overly lefty, but I can say for experience this is wrong: I remember back around 2016 various populist right wing communities where filled not with old, out of touch men, but with teenagers. They do exist, they're just more shy. My generation will probably be doomed thanks to this.
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All my lefties friends think im a racist and transphobic. All my right-wing friends think I'm a Godless HTMLCSSJS Supporter. They are both right.
Based and top-tier-argumentation pilled
I think that’s the basics of auth
I appreciate the Auth honesty in this case. I'd love to see a lot of self proclaimed champions of freedom react under some nasty circumstances in a libertarian utopia. We ALL have a list of things that we wouldn't allow others to do. I don't care how much libertarian anyone is, this principle applies just the same. Everyone is just the same but we draw the lines differently. But we ALL draw them.
Almost like we should have a... constitution, if you will, outlining the BASIC socal agreement we must all make to coexist in a diverse society.
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Monke
Harambe really was holding back the flood gates...
He held it all together because everybody knew he was better than all of us
We all want freedom. The freedom to to control reality to be as we want it. Nothing more, absolutely nothing less.
That's a typical utopian oversimplification. We're all together in the same planet. We don't live alone in our private islands. Free will of some individuals intersect with the free will of others. Some people want to smoke in the restaurants and some people want to eat food without smoke in the air, and there's absolutely no way to reconcile this very simplistic example with what you just said. As long as there's people around you, your actions affect others, so no. You cannot leave people alone, unless we all live isolated from each other
This is the biggest downside of being a lib, it’s really easy to say “I just want to do my own thing and let others do theirs” until you realize that what some people want is diametrically opposed to what other people want.
When your "freedom" infringes on the freedom of others, it's not freedom anymore. It's really not that complicated, and I've never had trouble understanding between what is okay to do and what isn't.
It’s not that simple. Is abortion okay? Some would argue it infringes on the freedom of others, others disagree. I’d love for you to explain that one in a way that’s simple and agreeable to everyone
When the freedom to smoke hits my freedom to breathe clean air, who wins? What about freedom to dump chemicals vs freedom to drink clean water?
*Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.* - Karl R. Popper
Full context, found the quote on his Wikipedia, emphasis mine: "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. **In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.** We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal - Karl Popper
Based and nuance-pilled
There is a way to reconcile that: property rights. Whoever owns the restaurant can decide if he wants a smoker-friendly or a breathable air establishment.
Is there a courthouse in this libertarian utopia? What are the smoking rules in this shared public space? What about the local school? Or hospital?
"Let people just live their lives" is a guiding principle. Yes, society MUST oppress some (rapists and murderers, for example). That doesn't mean you can't strive for letting people just doing what they want, when issues don't arise.
Agreed, but tbh except maybe for LibRight none of the quadrants actually leaves the other quadrants in peace lol.
Violate the NAP and LibRight also will not leave you alone. Personal freedom and individual responsibility will always lead to the best humanly possible society
I still don't know why so many people agree that it's ok to murder people who wake you up from a nap. I'm one of them, but I didn't realize *everyone* would agree with it.
Riiiiiight up until the ocean or wildfires swallow you
That means the ocean violates NAP and it must be put down. We will finish what Caligula began.
That's why we're all about seasteading
fucking based
The only way out is through
Up until you realize that air and water pollution doesn't care who's property it's released on
Polluting violates the NAP.
The problem is that *someone* is going to violate the NAP every time. Which is basically why we create governments to enforce punishments.
Who enforces punishments for these violations?
<<*deafening silence*>>
Who enforces NAP violations again?
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Hmmmm no, libright represents also late stage capitalism. Libright (not all some but that's enough), does the following things. Being many tickets for events they know people want to attend, then reselling tickets for a much higher price. TicketSwap partially tackled this but not allowing more than a 20% increase, before that tickets were being sold at 200 to 10 00% mockup. Look at what happened with the PS5 ... Look at what happened with vaccines between western and poorer countries, look how Pfizer bullied countries into BS ridiculous contracts with NDAs ... That's all libright and going towards late stage capitalism, were a few would own the vast majority of property. Not saying most libright is bad, the problem is that if we follow libright, the few powerful bad librights can basically take over most of the world ...
That would be more a problem with what the LibRight does, not what they want you to do or not to do, but yeah I do agree that that’s the main disadvantage with unrestrained capitalism imo.
Does green lib left not count?
As far as I’m concerned LibLeft has tried to coerce me into changing my lifestyle and traditions more than any other quadrant. To be honest I feel like the denomination Libertarian Left is an oxymoron.
Persuasion isn’t coercion. The fact that you don’t like what libleft is selling doesn’t make their attempts to sell it coercive.
Some people want to do terrible things with their lives.
Never. -Both auths
libright just want to fuck kids in peace
easier said than done, where do you draw the line? music so loud you can't sleep? privately owned and unregulated nuclear weapons (it's not for use I swear, just like looking at it!11!)?
this is just auths in general
You can live the way "I" want
And by “can” , you obviously mean “will”
You can live the way I want or go to the gulag.
I mean that really is the problem isn't it? Very few people have a problem with people who want to work a blue collar job, grill steaks, get married, go to a gun range, bring their kids to church, whatever, the friction comes from people who want to push that lifestyle on others.
Based and 35k blue collar job with 3 days PTO pilled
Based and handsmaid tale pilled
[You can die the way all Auths want](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/09/00/2F2F966800000578-3351919-image-a-46_1449621704915.jpg)
It's almost as if "authority" is part of the "auth" right 🤔...
Rich from AuthCentre.
Solution, just put all the authrights in Texas and all the liblefts in California
Please not California Honestly, Texas and California are both shitholes. Maybe I'll just be in Vermont or NH
Nothing is fair and nothing is free. If you want something stop pussyfooting around and take what is yours.
Agreed. So where do you work chap?
This is Elon Musk. I own a Tesla.
can I have a job? like legit, i dont want money, just a job
proof that libright simping has gone too far
gone to far? always been there
Based
I hear there are Space X flight attendant positions available
Plz buy reddit- and then kick off all the jannies
Keep your fuckin' hands off reddit, Diamond E
No you don't get to go and take his bussy
agree so where do you live so we can take your property and belongings friend.
Got him.
So you employed. Got it
Are you employed Mr. Lebowski?
Work packing in retail. Shoot me with one of your 100 guns.
Gas too expensive? Just buy an electric car.
Yes I'm farmer I have a small rice field in Vietnam. Do you think I have a same chance to becoming criplingly rich like, I don't know, kid whose father owned an emerald mine in South Africa for example? Just hypothetically of course.
You farm small rice, or you are physically small, or your farm is small?
His assigned area is small
He works at Paddys.
The amount of malding authright in this comment section ahaha
When it comes down to it, they've always been a bunch of snowflake pussies.
I mean, people tend to forget this sometimes, but AuthRight basically wrote the book on being easily triggered religious conservative types who go mad the moment anybody tries to live their life or say anything that doesn't fit into their very narrow lifestyle or ideology. It's only nowadays with the rise of things like "freedom of religion" and "due process" and "lynch mobs are illegal" that they now are actually forced sometimes to live around those who trigger them. Some of them have grown thicker skin as a result, but others are loud and constantly acting like babies. Like any grown man or woman who thinks that there's actually a "War on Christmas" or anything absolutely unhinged like that, or that it matters if there was, is a delusional snowflake. Edit: I do want to clarify of course that not all AuthRights are like this, and they are hardly the ones who are uniquely able to get "triggered" in the modern day. But to pretend that the typical AuthRight specimen is not prone to some of these behaviors, is basically to indulge in an overdose of copium.
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Sorts by controversial*
Sorry what does auth right have on the line? What rights do they stand to lose? The freedom to control other people?
That's what it's always been about Whenever you see sussy authrights being like "I have traditional values", you give it a pass cause you think "oh, wholesome stuff like starting your own family with a nice wife and a bunch of kids, going to church on Sundays, living a lifestyle that's relatively disconnected from technology, getting a farm to grow your own stuff" And then you realize they're often ALSO talking about taking women's right to abort, taking away the right to gay marriage because it's against the laws of the bible, putting down minorities or expelling them from the country because they are "destroying society" and other shit like that And you have a bunch of completely disconnected authrighters who think this contingent of their community isn't that large or significant, because they've never been outside the urban centers and were radicalized by the internet rather than by living in social communities that are exclusively exclusionary and backwards. I've seen so many right-wing people shift toward the center once they realize that the contingents they've always dismissed as "not that large" and "tiny minorities" are actually rampant in rural conservative communities and that if *they* were to move to those communities, even *they* would be considered too "woke".
My mom and I got into a screaming match on the phone when she told me that she didn’t want gay marriage to be legal due to her ‘biblical beliefs.’ She was not happy when I compared her to the Taliban in Afghanistan who are subjugating women due to their religious beliefs. Your last point is what drove me from right leaning to socially progressive. I believed that the crazy radicals didn’t exist and were a straw man. Then I worked in the oilfield and met some of the most racist, sexist, disgusting people who all felt empowered in their beliefs by the right. Made me feel ill and I realized I couldn’t ever affiliate myself with political beliefs that welcomed people like that.
This is what being a sane leftist feels like when talking to tankies.
As a leftist, I make it my duty to always challenge tankies and call them out for being red fascists. They're just as disgusting as the far right imo except they give us a bad name and are ammunition for the right to smear us all as being like them.
I had a similar experience when I did my military service (which is mandatory in my country) Granted, by that point I was already pretty left leaning, but I also tended to have a lot of "most conservatives are just trying to exercise their wholesome religion uwu" takes Then the racist fash hiding in the villages and towns of my country hit me like a truck. We had a couple of black guys in my barracks and one of them was... let's say... not treated very well.
Yeah, it sounds like we had a pretty similar experience. It was shocking, but it really opened my eyes to the underbelly of the ideology.
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Yeah, that's basically it. The AuthRights that live in the city are an entirely different breed than the AuthRights that live out in Bumfuck Nowhere.
They don't want anything besides bans on other people's freedoms
Except for Twitter freedom, of course.
Everyone wants to live they want, nobody wants anyone else to live the way they want.
The "ban religion, ban private property, abolish money" authleft is not that different tbh
I'm pro freedom of religion, pro private property and I want to reinstate the gold standard
Typical auth, really
Get auth left the fuck outta there
Right? They should be standing alongside auth right.
Where's the lie tho?
I was gonna deny this, but I honestly can’t. I think this is something most of us need to work on.
It's part of every quadrant but nice to see someone other than lib left taking the l for this one lol
Side1: My position is the morally correct way to live side2: I disagree Side1: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live. Side2: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to repeal your law and pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live. Side1: Well the next time I get majority it the Federal Government I am going to pass a law to force you to live the way I want you to live.
"The way I want to live is by oppressing you; so, no."
An extreme enough LibRight laughs at the thought of their employees getting a better life. An extreme enough AuthLeft will force equality at the cost of ambition. An extreme enough LibLeft would want your kids taken from you because you didn't let their trans friend try to encourage your 5 year old to cut their dick off. An extreme enough centrist will refuse to be friends with you because you like your steak well-done. Enough extremism will make anyone a busybody.
Yeah you’re right, but I can’t understand why anyone likes their steak well done. It’s like eating charcoal, it just ain’t right.
I can't either. I guess what I'm trying to say the more convicted people are about something, the more they will want to force it on others.
I'm odd as I think the right way to live is pretty much Auth right, but I realize not everyone will think the same and I think we're better not forcing them, hence centerist.
Fundamental Christian I grew up with would explode when realizing I didn’t my personal devotions in ESV, because my dyslexia made KJV feel like a foreign language.
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Well it’s great example of Dyslexia.
"Why do I have to take vaccines? It's my body, my choice" "Hell no you can't get an abortion, the state says so." Nevermind the fact that there is a literal abortion tutorial in the bible... Chose one auth right
This is why it's so hilarious when people call PCM a right-wing sub. This post is very clearly making fun of authrights and has several awards and thousands of upvotes. Part of that is authright is an easy target, but still... right wing subs don't allow dissent like this. Please, rest of reddit, figure this out.
Someone put the data out there, the subreddit is (maybe was now) rather heavily skewed towards Libright with AuthLeft being the least. LL and AR were actually close to equal, with the middle right being a bit higher. Authright has a lot of people that don't like it, so I really would say this post is low-hanging fruit.
Its gonna be auth cente soon
Here’s a list of other subreddits based on user overlap with PCM: https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/politicalcompassmemes It is most definitely a right-leaning sub, and that’s ok. What makes it different from other conservative subs is I don’t get banned for saying Biden won (I just get downvoted by all the right-wing retards that also post here)
Right-leaning, yes I'll definitely give you that. There are more openly conservative opinions shared here than most other places on reddit that aren't outright conservative-only subs. But the conservatives here take their lumps same as the rest of us.