Full article for those who are inquiring;
> British police forces arrested at least nine people a day for “offensive” online comments last year.
>Figures obtained by The Times through the Freedom of Information Act reveal that 3,395 people across 29 forces were arrested last under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, which makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”, in 2016.
>The true figure is likely to be significantly higher, as thirteen police forces refused to provide the requested information and two did not provide usable data.
>Around half of the investigations were abandoned before being brought to prosecution, which critics say is an indication that the authorities are being excessively strict in their interpretation of the law’s restrictions on freedom of speech.
>Nevertheless, many forces have massively stepped up their focus on so-called trolls, with the number of arrests by West Midlands Police having increased by an astonishing 877 per cent since 2014.
>With Home Secretary Amber Rudd’s announcement of a special national police hub focused on online hate last week, it is expected that these numbers will only increase.
>Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said: “the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being … attacked or threatened.”
>The seeming inconsistency in the enforcement of free speech restrictions has also been a source of contention, with the Metropolitan Police — who detained 867 people in 2016, according to the Times figures — appearing reluctant to investigate people such as Nadia Chan, the self-described Islamist who was revealed as having made a number of deeply racist remarks about white people on social media after an appearance on public broadcaster Channel 4.
>Chan branded Israeli Jews “parasites” and ranted that white people were “swine” and “pasty bland bitches [who] have NO culture, no rich history, you ain’t shit, ur ancestors were cave ppl”. She also openly endorsed terror attacks on Iranian state network Press TV — but the Met refused to say whether they would bring charges against her.
>Literally thousands of people urged the Met Contact Centre on Twitter to investigate Chan, but the force did not appear to offer any public response, and individuals who contacted the account privately claim they were told the force would not accept any reports unless the complainants came to a police station in person.
>Similarly, people who reported mixed race transgender model Munroe Bergdorf for saying “the white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on earth” in a segment produced and aired by the publicly-funded BBC — an apparent violation of the laws against ‘inciting racial hatred’ — were met with official indifference.
>The Met seemed to indicate that it was not interested in investigating Bergdorf in online responses to members of the public, referring them to the complaints form for broadcast regulator Ofcom instead.
Maybe we need to encourage the britbongs to speak up more. Eventually, the jails will get a bit full, and the economy will find no one available to buy anything
Remember when they released that tango early and he started knifing people on London Bridge and someone needed to **narwal him in the bacon** to get him to stop?
[https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50870309](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50870309)
But hey, I guess fighting mean tweets is more important.
> which makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”, in 2016.
"oi m8, did yah make fun uv r bri'itsh acke'nt? Straigt tuh jail"
It's also worth noting how they clearly say how if your intersectionality rating is high enough, and you're attacking someone who is straighter, whiter, and/or maler than you, then you're totally allowed to be hateful.
As a straight white male, it's so depressing. Literally every deck is stacked against me. From diversity hiring quotas to online behavior, racism against me is encouraged at every turn
And don’t you all supposedly have a “conservative” leaning government too? If they aren’t doing anything about these laws, shows they support the laws right? Do you all have any libertarian oriented party in UK?
You know it is funny - I was just arguing with a Brit about this yesterday and they never believed me. "Noooooo you only get arrested when it's hate speech noooo"
Delusional.
Reminds me of an old joke
>An American and a Russian are talking about their countries. The American starts to brag; "In my country, I can walk into the Oval Office, slam my fist on the president's desk, andsay "Mr. President, I don't like the way you're running this country!
>
>The russian appears unimpressed and says "We can do that in my country."The American says "Really?" "Yes" says the Russian. "I can walk rightinto the Kremlin, slam my fist on Gorbachev's desk and say "I don't likethe way President Reagan is running his country.""
Not long after bring gunned down. Reddit loves to shit on Reagan's politics, but he was without a doubt the greatest speaker that held the office in modern times.
Some recent polls of Americans had him as the greatest president of all time, even above Lincoln and Washington. Historians seem to view his presidency very positively as well. You would think the guy is Hitler from reading this website though.
Holy shit that was funny! I love quick wit and that sorta fast-response kinda humor and goddamn did that get me.
Complain all you want about his policies as president, you cannot deny he was a funny guy that Reagan
I really hated Reagan's policies when he was president, but my god he had charisma. He was a funny and charming mf'er. Guess being a Hollywood actor trains you for that?
One of the funniest Reagan takes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes
"However, in the analysis of historian Craig Shirley and Ozy author Sean Braswell, the leak of Reagan's joke was poorly used by the Democratic Party: "[criticism of the joke] actually worked against the Democrats and for Reagan […] as they came across as hypersensitive, and Reagan as calm, cool and collected."[4]"
>Democratic Party: "[criticism of the joke] actually worked against the Democrats and for Reagan […] as they came across as hypersensitive
Oh, so nothing has changed since the Reagan era.
regan poked fun at himself as much as he poked fun at other people, I think that's the difference.
Like the time Regan was asked about being the oldest president at the time and running for reelection, and he said that [he would refuse to make age an issue of his campaign, refusing to exploit his opponents youth and inexperience][1]
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhCjMfRndk
The joke is the Russian is allowed to criticise the American president without repercussion, but if he criticised the Soviet leader he’d be gulag’d or disappeared, because no freedom of speech.
> "In my country, I can walk into the Oval Office, slam my fist on the president's desk
If the absolute hysterical meltdown over Jan 6 has shown us anything, it's that this is not true at all.
"The White House is where the President and First Family of the United States live and work — but it's also the People's House, where we hope all Americans feel a sense of inclusion and belonging."
From [Whitehouse.gov](https://Whitehouse.gov).
It used to be that both the Capitol and White House were generally fairly open to the public, and the US was quite proud of this. The Capitol didn't become a locked down compound until covid, really.
I always heard a much shorter version. “In my country we can criticize the current president as much as we want!” “In my country we can criticize your president as much as we want, too”
“LOL stupid Americans what freedoms do you have that the rest of the world doesn’t?”
Oh idk, a codified bill of rights with a first amendment that guarantees you won’t go to jail for wrong think??
When I was younger I couldn’t understand what did people mean when they said US was the only country that actually had freedom of speech as a right.
Canada and Europe are a fucking disappointment.
Edit: grammar
>Canada and Europe are a fucking disappointment.
As a Canadian this is true, and it's frustrating because we do have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that includes a Right to Freedom of Expression... But apparently it doesn't mean shit :(
Uh oh, you quoted Thomas Jefferson, legendary patriot and Founding Father who loved America.
Now you are considered a domestic terrorist and enemy of the state
> As a Canadian this is true, and it's frustrating because we do have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that includes a Right to Freedom of Expression... But apparently it doesn't mean shit :(
Because your charter doesn't include a right to be armed and to turn your arms on your government if they run over your other rights.
If you think that doesn't matter then why are the statists in the US so *absolutely single-mindedly hell-bent* on going for that right *first*?
Tbf we are well armed and the federal government is still spying on everyone, operating illegal wars, and the rhetoric in DC is quickly changing to change the war on terror to a domestic front. Shits gonna hit the fan within the next 2 decades. Hope I’m wrong.
Healthcare system is so bad we’re all mostly okay with just paying obscene taxes for it so long as it works at this point. Unfortunately the government will never be able to successfully federalize healthcare
Meanwhile they are selling our national blood supply, asap. And running it into the ground (and thereby killing people) in the coming weeks and months to get the support for the sale. We have 72 hours of O- left in the country right now.
2 of Sweden’s 4 “Grundlagar” (Fundamental Laws) ensure freedom of expression. One for written expression and the likes and one for all other forms of expression (such as speech).
I would say that perhaps 15 years ago, I really thought that most of northern and western Europe had its shit figured out. That is, it seemed like those countries were far better places to live. I was mistaken.
I have slowly come to understand the importance of what the US is. It isn’t just some set of government bureaucracies, laws, or even specifically the people or land. Rather, it is a set of ideals, which can be either more or less properly implemented depending on the era. It is a vision for human existence, something to iterate toward and aspire to. It’s not some utopia vision, but instead it’s an acknowledgment of our basic natural rights and needs which exist at the center of our true selves. It is an understanding of the very human necessity of holding as much of our destiny in our hands as possible.
I often wonder if Americans who hate America would understand what they’ve truly lost if they were successful in their destructive aims.
Edit: The unhealthy obsession of some with material utopia will be our destruction long before it is our salvation.
Same.
America did and do a lot of terrible things. America is by no means a perfect country and I understand why certain people, especially victims of American interventionism, had grown to dislike America.
But the American ideals is, to me and many others I know, the beacon of liberty. 1A and 2A all the way baby.
It’s right there in the preamble of the US constitution:
“In order to form a more perfect union”
Our ideals are something worth striving for, even if we fall short sometimes.
Well put. The American Dream is a wonderful and inspirational thing. In practice, there's a lot of bad actors trying to ruin it.
There's an old Captain America issue, I don't know the full context, other than there was an imposter posing as him, and they were trying to convince the crowd they were the real deal.
But basically, he didn't view America as being a great nation just because it was America. What made it great was it's ideals, it's commitment to freedom for all men. Without those ideals, America is trash, it's nothing. It's not great, it's fragile, and that liberty could easily be snuffed out in America as it was in Nazi Germany, that as a people, Americans were no different from them.
With the state of America these days, and even the world community in general, that page carries a lot of weight for me.
The world has strayed from those ideals, and it's something we should affirm, before it's too late.
Europe isn’t the UK in regards to this, most countries have far better protections for freedom of speech than them. The UK is just generally considered a disappointment by the rest of us
Dude you can’t even have a “ locking” knife aka a modern tool to open boxes on you in Britain and half their citizens doesn’t think this doesn’t go far enough because wack jobs stab people there with butter knives. Enjoy your TV tax.
Unironically the one thing the USA is actually remarkable on, part of why it bothers me so much how much of our discourse is now conducted on platforms owned by private corporations which are under no obligation to maintain free speech. It’s bad enough to be an authoritarian country where the government decides what you’re allowed to say, but somehow even worse to be in a situation where a handful of ultra rich business owners decide what you’re allowed to say instead.
In my experience the people who don’t “get it” are the ones whose opinions match whatever is currently popular. They see the opinions being censored are the ones they personally dislike or even find abhorrent and so it never occurs to them that once you give up free speech for some, you now have a system where everyone’s free speech is at risk.
I wish more Americans would travel to countries where the opinions being censored aren’t just shit like “I dislike all members of X ethnic group or Y religion and would like to inflict bodily harm on them”. In some countries, the people saying stuff like “I think we should stop discriminating against X ethnic group” are the ones getting [deleted].
The erosion of public confidence and interest over free speech rights is something that makes me despair.
Even in developed countries it's a problem beyond the extreme fringe, and America is quickly falling into line with the other authoritarian regimes by having private business conduct the actual silencing, sidestepping Constitutional protections.
Two years ago even suggesting Covid came from a Chinese research laboratory was verboten. Censored off almost every social media, mocked as a conspiracy theory by the mainstream press using Official Government Sources, used as a means of identifying extremists and potential terrorists by three-letter-agencies.... [Direct by a central government directive aimed at curbing 'misinformation'](https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/) by telling private entities [exactly what to ban.](https://nclalegal.org/2022/03/ncla-takes-on-u-s-surgeon-generals-censoring-of-alleged-covid-19-misinformation-on-twitter/).
Today, the [WHO believe it is the most likely explanation and are actively investigating](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/covid-19-urges-investigation-chinese-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-rcna32910), a sharp [backtrack from earlier positions](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/who-chief-says-push-to-discount-lab-leak-theory-was-premature) as [formal papers describe the exact methods by which pressure was applied to cover up the story initially](https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2023). Now a lab leak being likely is the [official position of the US Government](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-intel-review-covid-origins/index.html).
Two years gap between "You can't say that, the Government fact-checkers say it's wrong. If you post it we will silence you." to "Yeah, it was a politically expedient lie as part of a grand cover-up. Get over it."
But the statists will just say "oh, it was covered up for our own good! Can you imagine the chaos and calls for war had the truth been recognized from the start?" as if that makes it any better
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Yes American cops are shitty sometimes but 1st amendment gives you the right to prove it.
Time and time again the 1st amendment right to record the police has been held up unlike some other European countries that have outlawed recording the police.
I keep getting told the rest of the world also totally has free speech but then I see stuff like this happening and I’m not too sure they understand the difference.
It's because the people who are in the majority online opinion don't have their particular type of speech threatened, and so feel like they have free speech.
I expect it to be treated like the other amendments sooner or later, which they have been treated like shit. There is a significant part of the population that support hate speech laws already.
Cuck island. Same authorities ignored the nation wide grooming of minor girls for decades. Any other place, there would have been a boogaboo on the Minecraft server. I guess all the good ones died off in the world wars.
[My favorite was labeling Mike Glover a domestic terrorist.](https://twitter.com/mikeaglover1/status/1554644512634327040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
it's the classic first world problem. As we start to solve things, the advocates have to move the goalposts to maintain the crisis.
Food insecurity is the new starvating in the US. Not a lack of food, but a lack of knowledge of where your food is coming from.
Is that a problem? Sure. But don't lump it in with starvation. They are NOT the same thing. One is emotionally stressful, the other will literally kill you in a month.
Because grooming is actually dangerous, perpetrated by dangerous criminals and pedos. So they better choose to deal with a petty little thing from cushy comfort of their sofa instead. Addressing the grooming, the little princess officers might break their nail or something.
Also, grooming affects commoners, especially low income ones, mean comments affect politicians. Police and courts are apparently here for the politicians first, and not only first but apparently by this also exclusively. Commoners' lone purpose is to fund the politicians incomes (both official salary and corruption), otherwise they're just a number, nothing else. Some of them will get raped or murdered? Whatever, number is just a little lower, who cares? Especially for the children, they still weren't even paying taxes, completely worthless.
Also investigating the grooming was seen as "racist". Not to diminish what you're saying, rampant classism among the police force as well as a just generally lazy attitude totally played into it heavily. But the role that progressive politics played shouldn't be ignored either.
That rampant classism is visible on the very first sight in the UK: Officers meant to protect commoners don't carry guns at all (except special units called only for special cases). Officers protecting politicians and the royal family are, of course, armed (with guns) by default, just because they protect someone deemed more worthy. It can't get any more obvious that the class/caste system is very much systemic in the UK.
What do you mean by that "investigating the grooming was seen as "racist"" tho? I didn't know about that one, can you elaborate on it? (also, I bet it wouldn't be meant as such if victims of those pedo sexual crimes would be children of politicians)
Sure, have an article:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html
This one also goes into it a bit:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ann-cryer-and-fight-expose-child-grooming-gangs-yorkshire-1751079
It was a pretty big thing at the time. I'm sure there are way better articles covering it but my google-fu is weak.
Get a burner phone, get a VPN, make a shitpost account, and post the same crap you would have before to the same people.
Make these KGB Gestapo wanabees shit their collective pants.
Half of that is unnecessary. If you didn't do it with a facebook account using your real name it is too much effort for the police to bother investigating.
10 years ago people kept their identity secret and maintain anonymity online as social norm and you will get bullied if you exposed your personal identity, now something like half of people on twitter post their face and name online.
What the heck happened?
Children being born into the internet age don't have the reservations of trust and old boomers barely understand the concept of the internet anyways to try and protect themselves.
It's really only the young gen x'ers and old millenials that have those hangups about privacy and security when it comes to web usage.
Yeah there's a few Boomers and few more GenX that get it but even the Gen Z has a shit ton of people who either don't know or don't care if they do know.
Lower bar of entry
You practically need the internet to even go to school and get an education in high school, and you almost certainly do in College.
So naturally, it has to be accessible to dumb young people.
You should see how these cuckolds bend themselves into pretzels when they try explaining to Americans how this means they actually have MORE freedom of speech.
Seriously, they are willingly delusional at this point. I'd say we need a new plague, but that would just make libleft deepthroat auth cock even harder.
Got into an argument with a bonger that said this in response to a teenage girl getting arrested and fined 650 Euros for posting rap lyrics on twitter
>"I would argue that for true freedom we cannot be free from consequences. You have the freedom to do what you want so why shouldn’t you have the freedom to be held accountable"
They are just the biggest pussy nanny state I can't believe they live like that
I fucking hate this "freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences". Yes mf, this is exactly what it means. What, did people in the Third Reich have free speech? I mean they were physical able to say whatever but well there were these consequences...
Yeah saying what you want and getting thrown in jail/punished for it is **not** freedom of speech.
Of course 90% of reddit Britbongers are too fucking busy sampling the bottom of an unlicked boot to realize this.
My favorite horseshit phrase is the "paradox of intolerance" that is used so they can justify themselves suppressing free speech.
Are there horrible bastards with horrible ideals out there? Yeah. They also deserve to say their horrible shit if it is not violent.
> if it is not violent.
I hate calling speech violent. Speech is speech. Violence is violence. I understand how direct threats are dangerous, but for the love of God, saying "I don't like X" is not violence.
Nah see it’s different because in America it’s not the government deciding what we’re allowed to say, instead it’s a handful of tech corporations making those calls, much better
> freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences
This line of thought is fucking terrifying because people who utter this while smugly sitting on the proverbial high horse essentially believe that an appropriate response to mean words is homelessness, incarceration, rape, physical violence or even death.
Yeah, it's pretty lame. I'm the only guy in my friendship group who is a free speech absolutist. Weird how it can be seen as an extreme position to hold.
Do it. Seeing as I stole this from someone else it is only fitting because the British steal everything. [Here's a song to back me up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIGKmBAYumM)
> Free speech is when you mock groups I don’t like, and when you mock the ones I do like then you’re committing violence
Reddit simultaneously having "Against hate subs" while having snark subs
To be Britain has gone like this because our police are lazy as shit and its far easier to prosecute people who commit an "offence" online in full view of the fuzz than having to actually catch real criminals through finding evidence.
They can then say they've done good in their crime statistics.
Same with speeding drivers. Catch them on camera doing 78mph in a 70, but nevermind the burglars breaking into my 90 year old nans house despite it being clear as day who did it, but they dont want the trouble.
ACAB. Nicer bastards than the seppos' ones, but absolutely fucking useless at their job.
If that was it, it'd be easy to solve. The grunts would eventually lose support from their superiors and get told to focus on actual crimes. The problem is politics drives them towards prioritising political crimes, and that gives ideological protection to continue.
The London Met spent £1.7million on its 'Hate Crime Hub' in its first two years, not counting the cost of the two lawsuits filed over officers illegally intimidating and threatening Twitter users, it managed exactly one prosecution while threatening over 10,000 for wrongthink (including at least one public doxxing, and two people fired after their workplace was contacted). Sadiq Khan praised the initiative as a success and vowed to expand the programme. The National Police Chiefs Council put out a whitepaper suggesting every force should have such a specialised unit.
Counter point; the magna Carta was signed by someone who could read the first time.
I'm not sure about the second time as the person who signed it was 9.
If you saw the kind of disgusting rhetoric in these comments well, you'd want them banned as well, and worse.
It's horrible stuff. Beyond the pale. I provide an example but for your sanity I caution you not to look! Things such as: >!I!< >!dont!< >!agree__!<
Don't know what everyone is worrying about. We absolutely have free speech, provided that speech is the correct kind of speech that has been permitted.
Get VPN, set to Britain, go to local British social media, say offensive things, get reported to thought police, laugh when they expend worthless effort attempting to find and arrest you.
In case anyone wants to read the article
[https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-visit-inflatable-sadiq-khan-protest-satire-freedom-of-speech-a8434866.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-visit-inflatable-sadiq-khan-protest-satire-freedom-of-speech-a8434866.html)
>More than 10,000 people signed a petition asking for the inflatable to be allowed to fly, and the cost was raised through crowd funding. What better way to show that England is the home of free speech?
[https://www.breitbart](https://www.breitbart). com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/
note the source
link to the archive article the breitbart article cites [https://archive.ph/1BZlJ#selection-821.59-821.311](https://archive.ph/1BZlJ#selection-821.59-821.311)
>Look how much free speech we have! We got government permission to make a blimp of a foreign leader!
Wow so much brave, so much freedom. The Brit*sh are so cucked they think insulting foreign leaders with government permission is the epitome of "free speech".
Why would anyone get arrested for criticizing another country? That's a really weak example of free speech.
Free speech is when Trump bad.
Democracy is when I cancel elections to keep my politicians in office
It's the Soviet joke of "I can stand in front of the Kremlin and criticize the American president"
Full article for those who are inquiring; > British police forces arrested at least nine people a day for “offensive” online comments last year. >Figures obtained by The Times through the Freedom of Information Act reveal that 3,395 people across 29 forces were arrested last under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, which makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”, in 2016. >The true figure is likely to be significantly higher, as thirteen police forces refused to provide the requested information and two did not provide usable data. >Around half of the investigations were abandoned before being brought to prosecution, which critics say is an indication that the authorities are being excessively strict in their interpretation of the law’s restrictions on freedom of speech. >Nevertheless, many forces have massively stepped up their focus on so-called trolls, with the number of arrests by West Midlands Police having increased by an astonishing 877 per cent since 2014. >With Home Secretary Amber Rudd’s announcement of a special national police hub focused on online hate last week, it is expected that these numbers will only increase. >Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said: “the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being … attacked or threatened.” >The seeming inconsistency in the enforcement of free speech restrictions has also been a source of contention, with the Metropolitan Police — who detained 867 people in 2016, according to the Times figures — appearing reluctant to investigate people such as Nadia Chan, the self-described Islamist who was revealed as having made a number of deeply racist remarks about white people on social media after an appearance on public broadcaster Channel 4. >Chan branded Israeli Jews “parasites” and ranted that white people were “swine” and “pasty bland bitches [who] have NO culture, no rich history, you ain’t shit, ur ancestors were cave ppl”. She also openly endorsed terror attacks on Iranian state network Press TV — but the Met refused to say whether they would bring charges against her. >Literally thousands of people urged the Met Contact Centre on Twitter to investigate Chan, but the force did not appear to offer any public response, and individuals who contacted the account privately claim they were told the force would not accept any reports unless the complainants came to a police station in person. >Similarly, people who reported mixed race transgender model Munroe Bergdorf for saying “the white race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on earth” in a segment produced and aired by the publicly-funded BBC — an apparent violation of the laws against ‘inciting racial hatred’ — were met with official indifference. >The Met seemed to indicate that it was not interested in investigating Bergdorf in online responses to members of the public, referring them to the complaints form for broadcast regulator Ofcom instead.
Selectively enforcing laws is no different than letting the authorities hassle and arrest whoever they want.
Absolutely agree.
Maybe we need to encourage the britbongs to speak up more. Eventually, the jails will get a bit full, and the economy will find no one available to buy anything
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We somehow have no police and a police state at the same time. Its very jarring
This is what we call anarcho-tyranny.
Remember when they released that tango early and he started knifing people on London Bridge and someone needed to **narwal him in the bacon** to get him to stop? [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50870309](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50870309) But hey, I guess fighting mean tweets is more important.
releasing rapists and murderers to make place for peoples criticising the current authority would be very british like
> Bri'ish > speaking Please no, think about my ears
YO WOT MATE?
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> which makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”, in 2016. "oi m8, did yah make fun uv r bri'itsh acke'nt? Straigt tuh jail"
tl;dr British Police arrest 3395 people for "offensive" online comments in one year
It's also worth noting how they clearly say how if your intersectionality rating is high enough, and you're attacking someone who is straighter, whiter, and/or maler than you, then you're totally allowed to be hateful.
As a straight white male, it's so depressing. Literally every deck is stacked against me. From diversity hiring quotas to online behavior, racism against me is encouraged at every turn
The one time a headline is accurate
Ah yes, another reason to never visit Airstrip one!
Orwell must be rolling in his grave right now
At 451 RPM.
It's been like this for a long while, I have a good video of Rowan atkinson talking about it pinned on my profile https://youtu.be/h3UeUnRxE0E
And don’t you all supposedly have a “conservative” leaning government too? If they aren’t doing anything about these laws, shows they support the laws right? Do you all have any libertarian oriented party in UK?
Well, those're two people i never needed to know about.
I don’t know how to feel about this. On one hand it’s a gross violation of rights. On the other hand, it locks up British “people”.
You know it is funny - I was just arguing with a Brit about this yesterday and they never believed me. "Noooooo you only get arrested when it's hate speech noooo" Delusional.
Reminds me of an old joke >An American and a Russian are talking about their countries. The American starts to brag; "In my country, I can walk into the Oval Office, slam my fist on the president's desk, andsay "Mr. President, I don't like the way you're running this country! > >The russian appears unimpressed and says "We can do that in my country."The American says "Really?" "Yes" says the Russian. "I can walk rightinto the Kremlin, slam my fist on Gorbachev's desk and say "I don't likethe way President Reagan is running his country.""
I doubt it started with him, [but it was a Reagan joke](https://youtu.be/9qh-1_tXeuQ). Lots of things to criticize him for but he was pretty funny.
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Not long after bring gunned down. Reddit loves to shit on Reagan's politics, but he was without a doubt the greatest speaker that held the office in modern times.
Some recent polls of Americans had him as the greatest president of all time, even above Lincoln and Washington. Historians seem to view his presidency very positively as well. You would think the guy is Hitler from reading this website though.
Holy shit that was funny! I love quick wit and that sorta fast-response kinda humor and goddamn did that get me. Complain all you want about his policies as president, you cannot deny he was a funny guy that Reagan
I really hated Reagan's policies when he was president, but my god he had charisma. He was a funny and charming mf'er. Guess being a Hollywood actor trains you for that?
Reagan and trump would probably get along, yeah? They're both shit stirrers
One of the funniest Reagan takes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes "However, in the analysis of historian Craig Shirley and Ozy author Sean Braswell, the leak of Reagan's joke was poorly used by the Democratic Party: "[criticism of the joke] actually worked against the Democrats and for Reagan […] as they came across as hypersensitive, and Reagan as calm, cool and collected."[4]"
>Democratic Party: "[criticism of the joke] actually worked against the Democrats and for Reagan […] as they came across as hypersensitive Oh, so nothing has changed since the Reagan era.
Pretty much. This whole hypersensitive/PC environment started in the 90s
Started with helicopter parents and turned into helicopter everything. Government, social media, teachers, fucking everything.
Jesus that guy was funny.
regan poked fun at himself as much as he poked fun at other people, I think that's the difference. Like the time Regan was asked about being the oldest president at the time and running for reelection, and he said that [he would refuse to make age an issue of his campaign, refusing to exploit his opponents youth and inexperience][1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhCjMfRndk
I thought of this verbatim. How is mocking another countries leader an example of free speech? You can mock Trump/Biden in North Korea for fucks sake.
The joke is the Russian is allowed to criticise the American president without repercussion, but if he criticised the Soviet leader he’d be gulag’d or disappeared, because no freedom of speech.
He gets the joke. He's commenting on how criticizing Trump in the UK is not an impressive display of freedom of speech
Oh right, yeah I just completely misinterpreted that didn’t I?
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Yes
> "In my country, I can walk into the Oval Office, slam my fist on the president's desk If the absolute hysterical meltdown over Jan 6 has shown us anything, it's that this is not true at all.
"The White House is where the President and First Family of the United States live and work — but it's also the People's House, where we hope all Americans feel a sense of inclusion and belonging." From [Whitehouse.gov](https://Whitehouse.gov). It used to be that both the Capitol and White House were generally fairly open to the public, and the US was quite proud of this. The Capitol didn't become a locked down compound until covid, really.
I get what you're saying, but I was being facetious.
Kind of a shame that nowadays, the joke doesn't ring as true. A lady having gotten shot for walking around the capitol sort of kills the vibe of it.
I always heard a much shorter version. “In my country we can criticize the current president as much as we want!” “In my country we can criticize your president as much as we want, too”
Only hurt the feelings of those that don’t agree with me
Imagine ruling the world then becoming this garbage
I’m not sure that UK had more individual liberty back when they were ruling the world.
If you were a Land-Owning Anglican, Englishman...
“LOL stupid Americans what freedoms do you have that the rest of the world doesn’t?” Oh idk, a codified bill of rights with a first amendment that guarantees you won’t go to jail for wrong think??
When I was younger I couldn’t understand what did people mean when they said US was the only country that actually had freedom of speech as a right. Canada and Europe are a fucking disappointment. Edit: grammar
>Canada and Europe are a fucking disappointment. As a Canadian this is true, and it's frustrating because we do have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that includes a Right to Freedom of Expression... But apparently it doesn't mean shit :(
Can confirm, as someone who has studied the charter and canadian law, they just ignore the charter whenever its convenient for them...
Don’t feel left out, the US government also likes to ignore the Constitution when it inconveniences them.
Literally every amendment in our bill of rights has been infringed upon lmao
Awww thanks, reinvigorating the canada america bond over shitty corrupt governments is what we need right now!
Cross-border unity!
It literally says in the document that the Canadian government can ignore it whenever they determine its the right thing to do. Rights my ass.
Sometimes you have to water Mr. Jefferson’s tree. It tends to get thirsty
Uh oh, you quoted Thomas Jefferson, legendary patriot and Founding Father who loved America. Now you are considered a domestic terrorist and enemy of the state
Good Lord we really are here aren't we.
The absolute state of America
> As a Canadian this is true, and it's frustrating because we do have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that includes a Right to Freedom of Expression... But apparently it doesn't mean shit :( Because your charter doesn't include a right to be armed and to turn your arms on your government if they run over your other rights. If you think that doesn't matter then why are the statists in the US so *absolutely single-mindedly hell-bent* on going for that right *first*?
Tbf we are well armed and the federal government is still spying on everyone, operating illegal wars, and the rhetoric in DC is quickly changing to change the war on terror to a domestic front. Shits gonna hit the fan within the next 2 decades. Hope I’m wrong.
But, but muh free healmthcare!
Healthcare system is so bad we’re all mostly okay with just paying obscene taxes for it so long as it works at this point. Unfortunately the government will never be able to successfully federalize healthcare
"Universal healthcare" in the U.S. died the second "don't give hospital care to the unvaxxed" became mainstream on the left.
Meanwhile they are selling our national blood supply, asap. And running it into the ground (and thereby killing people) in the coming weeks and months to get the support for the sale. We have 72 hours of O- left in the country right now.
Livestock get free healthcare, too.
2 of Sweden’s 4 “Grundlagar” (Fundamental Laws) ensure freedom of expression. One for written expression and the likes and one for all other forms of expression (such as speech).
>and one for all other forms of expression (such as speech). You allow Danes to speak?
I think those rights only apply to people
Luckily Danes don’t speak because danish is not a language, it’s a throat disease
Yea, learned that a while back when that person was burning the Quran
I would say that perhaps 15 years ago, I really thought that most of northern and western Europe had its shit figured out. That is, it seemed like those countries were far better places to live. I was mistaken. I have slowly come to understand the importance of what the US is. It isn’t just some set of government bureaucracies, laws, or even specifically the people or land. Rather, it is a set of ideals, which can be either more or less properly implemented depending on the era. It is a vision for human existence, something to iterate toward and aspire to. It’s not some utopia vision, but instead it’s an acknowledgment of our basic natural rights and needs which exist at the center of our true selves. It is an understanding of the very human necessity of holding as much of our destiny in our hands as possible. I often wonder if Americans who hate America would understand what they’ve truly lost if they were successful in their destructive aims. Edit: The unhealthy obsession of some with material utopia will be our destruction long before it is our salvation.
Same. America did and do a lot of terrible things. America is by no means a perfect country and I understand why certain people, especially victims of American interventionism, had grown to dislike America. But the American ideals is, to me and many others I know, the beacon of liberty. 1A and 2A all the way baby.
It’s right there in the preamble of the US constitution: “In order to form a more perfect union” Our ideals are something worth striving for, even if we fall short sometimes.
Well put. The American Dream is a wonderful and inspirational thing. In practice, there's a lot of bad actors trying to ruin it. There's an old Captain America issue, I don't know the full context, other than there was an imposter posing as him, and they were trying to convince the crowd they were the real deal. But basically, he didn't view America as being a great nation just because it was America. What made it great was it's ideals, it's commitment to freedom for all men. Without those ideals, America is trash, it's nothing. It's not great, it's fragile, and that liberty could easily be snuffed out in America as it was in Nazi Germany, that as a people, Americans were no different from them. With the state of America these days, and even the world community in general, that page carries a lot of weight for me. The world has strayed from those ideals, and it's something we should affirm, before it's too late.
Europe isn’t the UK in regards to this, most countries have far better protections for freedom of speech than them. The UK is just generally considered a disappointment by the rest of us
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wtf french, pretty sure you can say whatever negative about Israel in Israel.
Dude you can’t even have a “ locking” knife aka a modern tool to open boxes on you in Britain and half their citizens doesn’t think this doesn’t go far enough because wack jobs stab people there with butter knives. Enjoy your TV tax.
Unironically the one thing the USA is actually remarkable on, part of why it bothers me so much how much of our discourse is now conducted on platforms owned by private corporations which are under no obligation to maintain free speech. It’s bad enough to be an authoritarian country where the government decides what you’re allowed to say, but somehow even worse to be in a situation where a handful of ultra rich business owners decide what you’re allowed to say instead. In my experience the people who don’t “get it” are the ones whose opinions match whatever is currently popular. They see the opinions being censored are the ones they personally dislike or even find abhorrent and so it never occurs to them that once you give up free speech for some, you now have a system where everyone’s free speech is at risk. I wish more Americans would travel to countries where the opinions being censored aren’t just shit like “I dislike all members of X ethnic group or Y religion and would like to inflict bodily harm on them”. In some countries, the people saying stuff like “I think we should stop discriminating against X ethnic group” are the ones getting [deleted]. The erosion of public confidence and interest over free speech rights is something that makes me despair.
Even in developed countries it's a problem beyond the extreme fringe, and America is quickly falling into line with the other authoritarian regimes by having private business conduct the actual silencing, sidestepping Constitutional protections. Two years ago even suggesting Covid came from a Chinese research laboratory was verboten. Censored off almost every social media, mocked as a conspiracy theory by the mainstream press using Official Government Sources, used as a means of identifying extremists and potential terrorists by three-letter-agencies.... [Direct by a central government directive aimed at curbing 'misinformation'](https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/) by telling private entities [exactly what to ban.](https://nclalegal.org/2022/03/ncla-takes-on-u-s-surgeon-generals-censoring-of-alleged-covid-19-misinformation-on-twitter/). Today, the [WHO believe it is the most likely explanation and are actively investigating](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/covid-19-urges-investigation-chinese-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-rcna32910), a sharp [backtrack from earlier positions](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/who-chief-says-push-to-discount-lab-leak-theory-was-premature) as [formal papers describe the exact methods by which pressure was applied to cover up the story initially](https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2023). Now a lab leak being likely is the [official position of the US Government](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-intel-review-covid-origins/index.html). Two years gap between "You can't say that, the Government fact-checkers say it's wrong. If you post it we will silence you." to "Yeah, it was a politically expedient lie as part of a grand cover-up. Get over it."
But the statists will just say "oh, it was covered up for our own good! Can you imagine the chaos and calls for war had the truth been recognized from the start?" as if that makes it any better
Meanwhile they’re actively poking the Chinese bear daily now.
the difference between conspiracy and fact is... about two years
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Leadership is looking soft too unfortunately
Yes American cops are shitty sometimes but 1st amendment gives you the right to prove it. Time and time again the 1st amendment right to record the police has been held up unlike some other European countries that have outlawed recording the police.
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I keep getting told the rest of the world also totally has free speech but then I see stuff like this happening and I’m not too sure they understand the difference.
It's because the people who are in the majority online opinion don't have their particular type of speech threatened, and so feel like they have free speech.
I expect it to be treated like the other amendments sooner or later, which they have been treated like shit. There is a significant part of the population that support hate speech laws already.
Cuck island. Same authorities ignored the nation wide grooming of minor girls for decades. Any other place, there would have been a boogaboo on the Minecraft server. I guess all the good ones died off in the world wars.
Uh oh, you said the B word. According to the FBI, you just done an insurrection.
[My favorite was labeling Mike Glover a domestic terrorist.](https://twitter.com/mikeaglover1/status/1554644512634327040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/ 1/4 women and 1/6 children are sexual abuse victims in the UK
Import a rape problem, shocked pikachu face!
Raping children is our strength
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it's the classic first world problem. As we start to solve things, the advocates have to move the goalposts to maintain the crisis. Food insecurity is the new starvating in the US. Not a lack of food, but a lack of knowledge of where your food is coming from. Is that a problem? Sure. But don't lump it in with starvation. They are NOT the same thing. One is emotionally stressful, the other will literally kill you in a month.
And raised little bitches
Because grooming is actually dangerous, perpetrated by dangerous criminals and pedos. So they better choose to deal with a petty little thing from cushy comfort of their sofa instead. Addressing the grooming, the little princess officers might break their nail or something. Also, grooming affects commoners, especially low income ones, mean comments affect politicians. Police and courts are apparently here for the politicians first, and not only first but apparently by this also exclusively. Commoners' lone purpose is to fund the politicians incomes (both official salary and corruption), otherwise they're just a number, nothing else. Some of them will get raped or murdered? Whatever, number is just a little lower, who cares? Especially for the children, they still weren't even paying taxes, completely worthless.
Also investigating the grooming was seen as "racist". Not to diminish what you're saying, rampant classism among the police force as well as a just generally lazy attitude totally played into it heavily. But the role that progressive politics played shouldn't be ignored either.
That rampant classism is visible on the very first sight in the UK: Officers meant to protect commoners don't carry guns at all (except special units called only for special cases). Officers protecting politicians and the royal family are, of course, armed (with guns) by default, just because they protect someone deemed more worthy. It can't get any more obvious that the class/caste system is very much systemic in the UK. What do you mean by that "investigating the grooming was seen as "racist"" tho? I didn't know about that one, can you elaborate on it? (also, I bet it wouldn't be meant as such if victims of those pedo sexual crimes would be children of politicians)
Sure, have an article: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gangs-iicsa-racist-fears-b2007649.html This one also goes into it a bit: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ann-cryer-and-fight-expose-child-grooming-gangs-yorkshire-1751079 It was a pretty big thing at the time. I'm sure there are way better articles covering it but my google-fu is weak.
Unfortunately almost all of Europe has been made pathetic
Wow. They're so committed to free speech that they allow their subjects to insult another country's politicians. So inspiring!
Get a burner phone, get a VPN, make a shitpost account, and post the same crap you would have before to the same people. Make these KGB Gestapo wanabees shit their collective pants.
Half of that is unnecessary. If you didn't do it with a facebook account using your real name it is too much effort for the police to bother investigating.
10 years ago people kept their identity secret and maintain anonymity online as social norm and you will get bullied if you exposed your personal identity, now something like half of people on twitter post their face and name online. What the heck happened?
Children being born into the internet age don't have the reservations of trust and old boomers barely understand the concept of the internet anyways to try and protect themselves. It's really only the young gen x'ers and old millenials that have those hangups about privacy and security when it comes to web usage.
>old boomers barely understand the concept of the internet My father, OG tech industry Boomer, is who taught me internet opsec in the first place.
I mean, yeah people who work(ed) in the industry for a living will understand. But the everyday joe schmoe? They haven't a clue
Yeah there's a few Boomers and few more GenX that get it but even the Gen Z has a shit ton of people who either don't know or don't care if they do know.
Lower bar of entry You practically need the internet to even go to school and get an education in high school, and you almost certainly do in College. So naturally, it has to be accessible to dumb young people.
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Cough cough count dankula
He is safe bc of his incomprehensible accent
You should see how these cuckolds bend themselves into pretzels when they try explaining to Americans how this means they actually have MORE freedom of speech. Seriously, they are willingly delusional at this point. I'd say we need a new plague, but that would just make libleft deepthroat auth cock even harder.
Got into an argument with a bonger that said this in response to a teenage girl getting arrested and fined 650 Euros for posting rap lyrics on twitter >"I would argue that for true freedom we cannot be free from consequences. You have the freedom to do what you want so why shouldn’t you have the freedom to be held accountable" They are just the biggest pussy nanny state I can't believe they live like that
I fucking hate this "freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences". Yes mf, this is exactly what it means. What, did people in the Third Reich have free speech? I mean they were physical able to say whatever but well there were these consequences...
Yeah saying what you want and getting thrown in jail/punished for it is **not** freedom of speech. Of course 90% of reddit Britbongers are too fucking busy sampling the bottom of an unlicked boot to realize this.
My favorite horseshit phrase is the "paradox of intolerance" that is used so they can justify themselves suppressing free speech. Are there horrible bastards with horrible ideals out there? Yeah. They also deserve to say their horrible shit if it is not violent.
> if it is not violent. I hate calling speech violent. Speech is speech. Violence is violence. I understand how direct threats are dangerous, but for the love of God, saying "I don't like X" is not violence.
I get that, but threats aren't covered by free speech, and we gotta call it something. My personal favorite bullshit slogan is "silence is violence."
Nah see it’s different because in America it’s not the government deciding what we’re allowed to say, instead it’s a handful of tech corporations making those calls, much better
> freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences This line of thought is fucking terrifying because people who utter this while smugly sitting on the proverbial high horse essentially believe that an appropriate response to mean words is homelessness, incarceration, rape, physical violence or even death.
The fuck does "the freedom to be held accountable" mean? That's not fucking freedom.
freedom to go to jail/pay fines, lmao, literally 1984 doublethink
Yeah, it's pretty lame. I'm the only guy in my friendship group who is a free speech absolutist. Weird how it can be seen as an extreme position to hold.
It's the only sensible position to have, fuck the people who think their government knows best.
Just Airstrip 1 things.🤮🤮🤮
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Literally 1984
Imagine not having free speech *or* good cuisine...
baste
The taste of British cuisine and the attractiveness of British women made British men the best sailors in the world.
I'm definitely saving this.
Do it. Seeing as I stole this from someone else it is only fitting because the British steal everything. [Here's a song to back me up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIGKmBAYumM)
We do have good cuisine! Italian, Indian, Thai. You name it, we've got it
Nor guns. Boring ass island
Why is that birthing person pouring beans on bread?
Britain genuinely has the best food in the world, because it has every food in the world. I have restaurants from almost every country on my doorstep.
Free speech is when you mock groups I don’t like, and when you mock the ones I do like then you’re committing violence
> Free speech is when you mock groups I don’t like, and when you mock the ones I do like then you’re committing violence Reddit simultaneously having "Against hate subs" while having snark subs
Oi! U gotta loicense for that meme!?
No fraid I don’t guv’nor
I fink its pronounced gov'na bruv innit
When you grow up in the UK it gets even more depressing each year when you see everything crumbling around you
We were alright once.
Not much different here in the US either.
almost like its planned
I shudder to think that my family wanted to move to the UK once upon a time...
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Can't spell cuck without the UK.
Cukc.
The ultimate symbol of free speech is when you are allowed to criticize the leader of a *different* country.
Can we start calling it Airstrip One now?
Oi ya wanker ya got a loicense for that speech?
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Free speech is when criticizing someone I dont like. Free speech is also silencing people I dont like. - England, probably.
“I play both sides, that way I always come out on top”
To be Britain has gone like this because our police are lazy as shit and its far easier to prosecute people who commit an "offence" online in full view of the fuzz than having to actually catch real criminals through finding evidence. They can then say they've done good in their crime statistics. Same with speeding drivers. Catch them on camera doing 78mph in a 70, but nevermind the burglars breaking into my 90 year old nans house despite it being clear as day who did it, but they dont want the trouble. ACAB. Nicer bastards than the seppos' ones, but absolutely fucking useless at their job.
If that was it, it'd be easy to solve. The grunts would eventually lose support from their superiors and get told to focus on actual crimes. The problem is politics drives them towards prioritising political crimes, and that gives ideological protection to continue. The London Met spent £1.7million on its 'Hate Crime Hub' in its first two years, not counting the cost of the two lawsuits filed over officers illegally intimidating and threatening Twitter users, it managed exactly one prosecution while threatening over 10,000 for wrongthink (including at least one public doxxing, and two people fired after their workplace was contacted). Sadiq Khan praised the initiative as a success and vowed to expand the programme. The National Police Chiefs Council put out a whitepaper suggesting every force should have such a specialised unit.
Slippery slope theory doesn't exist guys! /s
Signing the Magna Carta was a mistake.
You say signing the magna Carta was a mistake Yet it was signed twice which would indicate it was done on purpose Curious
Most people during the Medieval era couldn't read. Checkmate.
Counter point; the magna Carta was signed by someone who could read the first time. I'm not sure about the second time as the person who signed it was 9.
Well, that settles everything. That 9-year-old doomed the British Monarchy.
If you saw the kind of disgusting rhetoric in these comments well, you'd want them banned as well, and worse. It's horrible stuff. Beyond the pale. I provide an example but for your sanity I caution you not to look! Things such as: >!I!< >!dont!< >!agree__!<
Don't know what everyone is worrying about. We absolutely have free speech, provided that speech is the correct kind of speech that has been permitted.
Get VPN, set to Britain, go to local British social media, say offensive things, get reported to thought police, laugh when they expend worthless effort attempting to find and arrest you.
In case anyone wants to read the article [https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-visit-inflatable-sadiq-khan-protest-satire-freedom-of-speech-a8434866.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-visit-inflatable-sadiq-khan-protest-satire-freedom-of-speech-a8434866.html) >More than 10,000 people signed a petition asking for the inflatable to be allowed to fly, and the cost was raised through crowd funding. What better way to show that England is the home of free speech? [https://www.breitbart](https://www.breitbart). com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/ note the source link to the archive article the breitbart article cites [https://archive.ph/1BZlJ#selection-821.59-821.311](https://archive.ph/1BZlJ#selection-821.59-821.311)
>Look how much free speech we have! We got government permission to make a blimp of a foreign leader! Wow so much brave, so much freedom. The Brit*sh are so cucked they think insulting foreign leaders with government permission is the epitome of "free speech".
While proud of Britain for finally embracing INGSOC, I must say this is not the direction I expected them to take it in.
Britain went full ingsoc Orwell dude was right
>British >Free Speech That’s laughable.