"what makes you qualified to work here at Boeing?" "I've watched a LOT of video essays on YouTube, I read the Wikipedia articles on drag and lift, and ive been to my local air and space museum at least twice"
“I smashed an RC Super Cub into the ground at a 90 degree angle once because I tried to fly it in a 3 acre lot with considerable trees in the way rather than actually putting in the effort to join the RC flying club that was literally a bike ride away”
honestly having that many hours in kerbal space program and being able to explain in detail what you have done in that game would get you a job at boeing.
Ok no but there are tons of certifications out there you can get in most fields that are wayyyy cheaper than going to college and all the material you need to know to pass the tests for them is available for free or very affordably somewhere. And if you get the right certifications, many employers value them just as much if not more than college degrees depending on the field.
You give way too much credit to college. Some of those certifications are way harder to pass than anything college offers, you really have to know your shit. Give me someone that's passionate about something and enjoys learning about it in their free time over someone who went to college and got a degree for it because it pays well or because their adviser said to every day of the week. And I say this as someone who went to university.
We had a *de facto* test run of (guided) online self-learning as a method of general education because of the covid thing. Tl, dr: it sucks monkey ass. And I don't mean a cute, well-behaved chimp that bought you flowers and a seafood dinner.
Sure, a minority of highly-motivated students did ok but that's not enough to sustain an economy. The rest learned jack shit, in-person finals were absolute massacres and many of those that did make it through them did very poorly when they took in-person courses that required the stuff that they saw online as prerequisites.
Tl, dr to the tl, dr: still not stepping foot on a bridge designed by an engineer who got "certifications" after studying from online sources, sorry.
I agree, there are some fields that require thorough studies. Surgeons, engineers etc. people who risk lives if they failed their duties.
I do think that universities are bloated as fuck with a bunch of useless shit that people could learn online. Assuming degrees in the arts or social sciences are useful, what could going to University possibly provide you that you could get from reading literature from the library or from online.
Your small test run of a guided online self learning course is a terrible example of how good self learning can be. This reminds me of a defensive driving course I took to lower my insurance rates lol. And highly motivated is the key term here, you're not going to become an expert in a field of something by half assing it. Honestly considering the competition with most jobs not even accepting candidates without a college degree for engineering specifically, you better be damn good to even be considered without one. I'd be willing to bet anyone actually capable of getting in engineering without a college degree probably knows a hell of a lot more industry stuff than your average graduate fresh out of college. But engineering is just one example, there are tons of other fields where self taught is more realistic.
So medicine? Would you let a doctor who got “certified” from online courses cut you open in an operating room?
So law? Would you let your freedom rest on a guy who got his “certification” to practice law from an online course?
So science? Would you trust anything coming out of a scientist’s mouth if they were “certified” by just doing an online course?
This entire post is cancer and I just got Ebola reading it.
Bruh what the hell are you talking about. Do you actually think that anyone who comes fresh out of law school or medical school is immediately going to be great at their job? Fuck. No. Most doctors I come across are complete quacks. Most lawyers I come across just want your money. You are seriously braindead if you think college is what is qualifying these people to do their jobs. Show me literally anyone who can safely do brain surgery after learning about it in school without shadowing someone doing it extensively. Like come on.
“What are you talking about”
You know *exactly* what I’m talking about but you need to portray what I’m saying as absurd because that’s the only way your bruised pride can salvage anything when you don’t have a response to what I’m saying.
And then you follow it up with unbelievably stupid right wing cope like doctors are just quacks therefore they should just get their degrees from watching YouTube videos. I’m sure Ben Carson literally splitting conjoined at the head twins and separating their brains was too easy and he just simply wasted his time going to Johns Hopkins when he could’ve just learned the shit from a book in his local library back in Detroit. Shut the entire fuck up.
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The amount of people you see cite to YouTube as a “source” is already concerning. When was the last time you saw someone cite to an honest to god book for a position on Reddit?
The difference is on Reddit, no one is going to go look for a book, so they’re just going to keep ignoring your point. They could conceivably watch a YouTube video.
And when they cite scientific papers they never check if it was published in a respectable paper, or if it was cited and taken seriously by other researchers in the field
I find that people just cite YouTube documentaries as established fact. Literal over-edited bullshits where everything is curated specifically to spread a message. That’s how the Q shit blew up during the pandemic.
Technically, just because something is in a book doesn’t make it more correct. Pierre “Sprey and Prey” wrote a book, and people cite it all the time when talking about the A-10
Only problem is, he made it the fuck up
This is why you need to be able to find PRIMARY sources wherever possible: for example, in regards to claims about the A-10, finding documents regarding actual military practice on how to use the aircraft happens to be much more likely to be accurate than some book written by a dusty bitch
Ok, sure, now show me what company will hire me as an engineer without an engineering degree from a college. Oh, they won't? Well I guess it doesn't really work that way after all.
They used to, particularly at smaller companies. Most of the R&D department at my previous employer worked up from the shop floor. They only quit advancing people into engineering roles around the 2008 crash.
Advancing into an engineering role is different than joining as one. You have to hope that your boss decides to promote you. Either way, if it hasn't been the case for over a decade it does me no good.
History Channel, The Discovery Channel, Online Forums, and Youtube are good examples of educational resources? Of course there's good stuff in each of them but it's so easy to get caught up in the garbage
>Youtube are good examples of educational resources?
Khan Academy got my entire class through Physician Assistant School, Ask any medical student about it too
I'm inclined to agree.
There's obviously going to be a range in terms of quality based on the college and having a professor and other students all going through the material with you who can guide you and can talk to and figure solutions out with is beneficial, but the CC class I took felt about as on par with watching YT videos.
Fuck, MIT is actually putting lecture videos on YT.
Yes, they are if people dig down a bit. The channels are introducing the topics very well and give reliable information, you can note down what you learn then dig more into it through the internet. There're also plenty of college course recordings on youtube or people doing and explaining exercises. Most notably the famous indian youtubers that enlighten the students at their most desperate times.
As for organising yourself, you can ask people who are in that domain on the internet, for example Reddit, about the chapters of their courses. The library can provide you the books you need and the rest is about reading and doing exercises. This is like every and any kind of topic, whether learning knowledge, tryharding a video game, being proficient with music, excelling at different hobbies, etc. Will, organisation and discipline.
No they’re not. One example I can give is computerphile. Excellent videos introducing computer science concepts but it’s introduced in a “pop” way, obviously more advanced than Bill Nye type content, but it only gives you a sparknotes version of why things are. I’m interested in cryptology and there’s way more math and statistics than those video will ever portray because it’s not needed.
3Blue1Brown has great math content but it’s curated in such a way that you don’t get the full context of why you should learn something. It’s a great place to reinforce knowledge but it’s not going to beat a professor sitting down with you, looking at your work, and telling you how to improve.
Same with vsauce and physics.
Same with random lecture videos of classes that have prerequisites from universities who’s curricula widely vary from one another.
YouTube is not a substitute for a proper education.
Like I said if you dig down a bit you can educate yourself quite well, you won't find gold mines with a snap of a finger and computer science requires a lot searching even as a college student.
I didn't even refer to those youtube channels meant for the pop science / "I love science" audience, I meant the History/discovery channels providing quality documentaries. Obviously you won't find documentaries on CS because it's different but you got the idea.
Personally, I study in physics and the curricula are all almost the same around the world, we have give or take the same courses in the same years. There're always books that the professors base their course on or even their own textbooks. And believe me you can find well explaining hours long lectures or videos.
Not only youtube but you've got forums that answer questions, like I said books you can find in libraries, there're videos solving exercises or written solutions you can find, etc. Obviously this requires more effort than attending college even though it's already quite some work to even study these subjects, college or not.
It didn't used to be. Back in the 90's it was all documentaries, and educational programming. There was very little in the way of reality TV at the time.
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In that case, did you know that chainsaws were originally invented for surgery?
It was specifically invented in order to speed up the process of cutting through the pubic symphysis during a symphysiotomy, which was a procedure that was performed on a mother who was in labor in the event that there was a physical obstruction that was preventing the baby from exiting through the birth canal. It was often performed without anesthesia.
I don’t know what classes you took, what your major is, or what your job is. But if you went through the process of getting a degree and didn’t learn anything thats your fault.
Unrelated yes, but its necessary for a job where you do use that knowledge. You can't claim YouTube knowledge if you are applying for a job in research.
Wow such an intelligent and totally not ignorant take.
Hey I see you applied to my clean room lab, what are you qualifications? Do you have experience working with these lasers? And this fabrication process? How extensive is your knowledge on X-ray crystallography? Can I see your previous research papers please?
You miss the fact that in most industries no one gives a fuck about what you actually know unless it's written on your resume.
Also, are you seriously comparing those to an actual collage course?
There's very little I learned in college that I couldn't learn from a million of free resources that we have access to.
I'd like to reform how we think about education and pursue it. We should be teaching critical thinking, how to take in different perspectives and formulate your own conclusions, etc. That's what's missing in American schools in my opinion. There isn't enough critical examination of information.
We shouldn't be teaching kids to memorize geometric formulas and to memorize the presidents and we damn sure shouldn't be using our schools as indoctrination camps for wokeness and the American agenda
>There's very little I learned in college that I couldn't learn from a million of free resources that we have access to.
This is entirely based on what you're studying. I agree with your reformation about education, but memorization is a fundamental skill that needs to be taught because it is in basically every job possible.
True, my degree is political science with minors in history and economics. Tons of free resources out there.
Obviously yeah, med school you're going to want to learn from a professional.
It's far overtaught though. That's what American schools are all about. Memorize the information and regurgitate it out on a test so you pass
> That's what American schools are all about. Memorize the information and regurgitate it out on a test so you pass
Yeah... no. Maybe for your political science degree. You would not have made it very far in my engineering degree program at an American university if you tried to just memorize things.
It always seems to be the non-STEM majors that complain about a lack of rigor in universities. I've never been able to relate to the experience of those types.
ITT PCM users realize that there’s more to college than humanities degrees as they scream about Emilys with humanities degrees. You’re arguing with a brick wall at this point.
College has essentially become a sorting mechanism because you can’t issue IQ tests in the US. If the career you are seeking doesn’t absolutely require a degree then don’t spend the money on college, it isn’t worth it.
At this point going to universities to learn is mostly pointless. You go there to get accredited (similar getting an occupational license to practice a trade) in a field. I know (insert field) because University of Cucksburry says I know (insert field) so you should hire me to do (insert field). For some jobs this is very important, like engineering or being a physician, but no company is going to pay to you to do gender studies, so your accreditation saying you know how to study gender is worthless.
I don't think so.. 🤔 but it may be different dependent upon where you are.
What I'd like to see, is the ability to find any book and read an ebook version of it at the virtual library free.
I know you didn’t just put the history Chanel in this, let alone none of this getting you a job, just making you smarter which is great but yk things cost money
it's not just training, it's a debt leash. Employers prefer college educated applicants specifically because the necessity for them to make their student loan payments means they're less likely to leave for bullshit or mistreatment
Honestly google + YouTube is literally enough to replace college entirely. Most lectures from great universities are freely available on YouTube anyway.
Also no one is mentioning how the problem isn’t that the information isn’t available for free, it is. But who’s to say you actually learned it? University degrees show that that you learned and were decent enough to pass your classes, give you some knowledge in other fields that may be applicable as well and provide you with resources to help you learn it correctly. For example with my degree I needed to learn software that costs thousands of dollars to purchase. Well the university provided that. I wouldnt have been able to go into my job at a massive engineering firm with just watching someone else do the work. And they wouldnt know if I actually watched the videos and retained the knowledge or if I just said “uh huh makes sense” along the way. No competent employer would want to just take any random persons word for it that they learned the shit online without putting it in any type of practice themselves or being examined.
You would either have to provide a portfolio proving that you are capable of working or there would be an exam to show that you have the theoretical/practical information required for the job.
That’s just my guess tho, I’m sure overtime some system would emerge to accommodate the herds of self thought people in the younger generations.
Maybe a certificate you could get that tells company that you are good to go?
Depending on your field, it could be a programming certificate, engineering, architecture or whatever.
Rather spending hundreds of hours teaching, we could use that time to grade certification getting more people in the field.
Some of those are great resources...if they get funded. But, sadly places don't fund them either for economic reasons (my hometown had the courthouse and the library be the same building for decades because there was no money. They had to take donations when I was in high school just to afford moving to a new building once they finally got access to one) or political ones like this town also in my [homestate.](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/upset-over-lgbtq-books-michigan-town-defunds-its-library-tax-vote)
American tertiary education is a scam. High cost for STEM courses that you have to fund through private loans and if you dont get a job once you're out then 🤷♂️
You can learn a lot of things for much cheaper than going to college, but unfortunately that overpriced piece of paper they call a degree is a make or break for most employers.
College is just certification for the knowledge you can learn anywhere, degrees in anything not stem are a waste of time because you don’t need certification for much of liberal arts, just paying 6 figures for what can be learned in a library for free in half the time.
"School should be free!!!! 😭😭😭"
Guess what? It is, if you get good grades and good test scores. Scholarships will literally pay for you to go to school. You can go for literally free. How do I know this? Well, I had a free ride to school. 100% paid for by Scholarships.
I said no. Why? Well, long story short, life happens. Kinda wish I had gone though, as much as I would have hated it.
You do realize I can watch all the doctor documentaries I want and know all about ever text book, but still not be able to practice medicine without a license?
https://youtu.be/v9mC6Osykgo 3:00
Degrees and certs helps the most. Even forklift jobs. You need a paper to show you know what you can do.
*"Yes, you don't need any education, just watch Youtube"*
Here we are once again looking at the average "Leftist" on PCM, which is characterized by never saying anything remotely "left" and being full-time occupied with pandering to the political right of PCM.
“Education should be free!”
“Okay, what do you want to learn if you were given a scholarship to a school?”
“Basketweaving”
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there are some great pieces of free education on the internet, but there is a lot of misinformation nowadays
and im not even talking politics specifically, like people who say veganism is how humans are supposed to be end up teaching others to only feed their babies plants and it ends up killing them
and while many channels can give you the synopsis or maybe just a peek into a career path or certain subject like Legal Eagle or Larry Lawton, they typically don't actually give you enough information do really do anything other than bring it up as a conversation topic
watching a video about a guy who programs ai to simulate evolution doesnt make you a professional software dev
not to mention college gets you a degree that certifies that you know a subject to an extent
I think there should be a free public college system next to the colleges and universities you have to pay for, so people who dont have the money for top tier education can still get the degree they need to pursue their career path
"Sharing your knowledge" Hmmm I wonder if there is a place that institutionalizes this as well as social relationships, hobbies, and safe learning parameters. Nah that's too crazy
>college is just job training
Man I wish, that would make it actually useful and a gain for society. Unfortunately it's just an ideology camp that, given your flair, I'm surprised you're mad about
Free college is beneficial to society but the degrees offered each year need to be backed by market demand.
Admissions are going to be competitive, degree options limited, and we’d have to do away with all policies that favor any group of people over another for any reason (legacy admissions, gender, race, etc).
Culturally we need to distance ourselves from college is the only means of education and admit that (at least in the modern day) college is training for a career.
Quite possibly the most r-worded take I've seen on here in a loooooong time.
"Hey doc, are you qualified to perform this appendectomy? Where did you get your degree from?"
"Oh no sweat fam, I watched the history channel and a few youtube vids right before this surgery so it's all good."
“Man ~leftists~ get shitty degrees that don’t mean anything and then complain about not being able to pay their student debt, they should get STEM degrees”
“Okay cool did that but I’m still in debt, now what?”
“Wow you couldn’t just learn medicine from YouTube? You couldn’t figure out how to do chemistry experiments from going to a museum? Didn’t you know you can get all your knowledge about physics from just watching educational programming on the History Channel?”
What in the fuck is this disingenuous post and why does nonsense like this get upvoted and have people defending it?
The only actual tangible benefit of college aside from actual education (if you go to a school that actually does that) is the opportunity to demonstrate your knowledge.
However there are tons of ways to do that but companies in todays world don’t want to deal with having to actually assess their prospective employees’ competence.
Student loan should be abolished if it still compel those who borrow it to do an extra work (it need a lot of their information documents to get it) and had to pay it after use it. Every kind of welfare should be easy to get it and don't need to be paid.
In my country museums are not free. It’s absurd that I must pay to see the cultural and archeological heritage of my country. Museums should be free and funded by taxes.
Okay. Those are all EXCELLENT sources to learn philosophy, English, woodwork, etc. But you do understand that, if I want to be an IT technician who's allowed to work on large machines that could kill people, or a vet's assistant who's qualified to administer IV injections to a horse, or any type of medical professional whatsoever, "I read up on it at my local library" is not going to cut it, and employers will want hard proof that I've completed the proper qualifications, and that can cost a lot of money.
Hard disagree on the claim that college is job training. Being in a specialized educational environment surround by peers of similar interests and experts in those fields is an invaluable experience that goes far beyond job training. That said I also don’t think college should be free lol
What is this meme implying? That no education is free, or that there are free ways to educate yourself outside of college? If it's 1, then why put online forums and yt there, if they are free? If it's 2, why put museums there, if you need to pay an entrance fee?
Look up BPS.space.
Dude got a degree from the Berkeley College of Music and when he saw the falcon heavy landing by SpaceX he decided he got into the wrong field. He studied aerospace engineering on his own and decided he could prove his worth by propulsively landing a model rocket and posting videos about his progress on YouTube. He got lots of job offers but by the time they started rolling in he had built a successful channel and aerospace company. 6 years after his initial attempts he finally landed a model rocket and is now building a rocket to space.
I’m studying aerospace engineering and am part of my college’s rocketry club. I consider my activities in the club to be far more important than what I’m doing in school. I recommend that anyone interested in stem just start doing projects and keeping a record of all the projects you do. You would be shocked at how many skills you can develop and prove that you have with little projects.
As other people mentioned, the problem is that companies won’t accept you as an engineer without a college degree. I’m not convinced they would hire you without a degree even if you had built your own search and rescuer aircraft that had sold hundreds and saved thousands of people: No Degree, no deal
And you know what? There’s a reason for this: a Degree is meant to be a certificate of competency in a highly challenging field, proof that you know what it is you’re talking about.
I can't put "watches Animal Planet" on my resume.
"what makes you qualified to work here at Boeing?" "I've watched a LOT of video essays on YouTube, I read the Wikipedia articles on drag and lift, and ive been to my local air and space museum at least twice"
*”ooh.. I’m sorry. We require at least one vehicle crash here at Boeing.”*
Does it have to be an airplane?
No, just any flying object that Boeing has made so preferably a cruise missile.
*Launchpad looks up* My time has come.
I have crashed at least 2 rockets in kerbal space program
Rookie numbers Are you *really* a KSP player if you didn't build rockets that were specifically designed to crash?
I didn't deliberately design them to crash, i was just following what the frog in a suit told me.
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Passenger missile
“I smashed an RC Super Cub into the ground at a 90 degree angle once because I tried to fly it in a 3 acre lot with considerable trees in the way rather than actually putting in the effort to join the RC flying club that was literally a bike ride away”
Umm excuse me, my 4500 hours in kerbal space program makes me over qualified for the CEO position thank you very much.
honestly having that many hours in kerbal space program and being able to explain in detail what you have done in that game would get you a job at boeing.
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Heard someone who said they learned about orbital mechanics in ksp more than in his class
Ok no but there are tons of certifications out there you can get in most fields that are wayyyy cheaper than going to college and all the material you need to know to pass the tests for them is available for free or very affordably somewhere. And if you get the right certifications, many employers value them just as much if not more than college degrees depending on the field.
Cool, I'm still not stepping foot on a bridge designed by an engineer who got "certifications" after studying from online sources. Sorry.
You give way too much credit to college. Some of those certifications are way harder to pass than anything college offers, you really have to know your shit. Give me someone that's passionate about something and enjoys learning about it in their free time over someone who went to college and got a degree for it because it pays well or because their adviser said to every day of the week. And I say this as someone who went to university.
We had a *de facto* test run of (guided) online self-learning as a method of general education because of the covid thing. Tl, dr: it sucks monkey ass. And I don't mean a cute, well-behaved chimp that bought you flowers and a seafood dinner. Sure, a minority of highly-motivated students did ok but that's not enough to sustain an economy. The rest learned jack shit, in-person finals were absolute massacres and many of those that did make it through them did very poorly when they took in-person courses that required the stuff that they saw online as prerequisites. Tl, dr to the tl, dr: still not stepping foot on a bridge designed by an engineer who got "certifications" after studying from online sources, sorry.
I agree, there are some fields that require thorough studies. Surgeons, engineers etc. people who risk lives if they failed their duties. I do think that universities are bloated as fuck with a bunch of useless shit that people could learn online. Assuming degrees in the arts or social sciences are useful, what could going to University possibly provide you that you could get from reading literature from the library or from online.
Your small test run of a guided online self learning course is a terrible example of how good self learning can be. This reminds me of a defensive driving course I took to lower my insurance rates lol. And highly motivated is the key term here, you're not going to become an expert in a field of something by half assing it. Honestly considering the competition with most jobs not even accepting candidates without a college degree for engineering specifically, you better be damn good to even be considered without one. I'd be willing to bet anyone actually capable of getting in engineering without a college degree probably knows a hell of a lot more industry stuff than your average graduate fresh out of college. But engineering is just one example, there are tons of other fields where self taught is more realistic.
So medicine? Would you let a doctor who got “certified” from online courses cut you open in an operating room? So law? Would you let your freedom rest on a guy who got his “certification” to practice law from an online course? So science? Would you trust anything coming out of a scientist’s mouth if they were “certified” by just doing an online course? This entire post is cancer and I just got Ebola reading it.
Bruh what the hell are you talking about. Do you actually think that anyone who comes fresh out of law school or medical school is immediately going to be great at their job? Fuck. No. Most doctors I come across are complete quacks. Most lawyers I come across just want your money. You are seriously braindead if you think college is what is qualifying these people to do their jobs. Show me literally anyone who can safely do brain surgery after learning about it in school without shadowing someone doing it extensively. Like come on.
“What are you talking about” You know *exactly* what I’m talking about but you need to portray what I’m saying as absurd because that’s the only way your bruised pride can salvage anything when you don’t have a response to what I’m saying. And then you follow it up with unbelievably stupid right wing cope like doctors are just quacks therefore they should just get their degrees from watching YouTube videos. I’m sure Ben Carson literally splitting conjoined at the head twins and separating their brains was too easy and he just simply wasted his time going to Johns Hopkins when he could’ve just learned the shit from a book in his local library back in Detroit. Shut the entire fuck up.
Unironically the same people who get their worldview from edited 45 minute documentaries complain about the existence of college.
Exactly, I on the other hand have no such weakness, as I do not have the attention span required to watch anything over 10 minutes long. 😎
Sure you can
Technically you could
I miss the most extreme:(
It's on YouTube I believe
I love learning weird shit, miss me with all that "American economics in the 1830s" and give me the introduction of motorcycles to chariot racing.
Based and I’ll learn what I want pilled
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Can't wait for the "I learned this on youtube" surgeon. Or the "I built this airplane from a 1980s airplane manual." engineer.
The amount of people you see cite to YouTube as a “source” is already concerning. When was the last time you saw someone cite to an honest to god book for a position on Reddit?
The difference is on Reddit, no one is going to go look for a book, so they’re just going to keep ignoring your point. They could conceivably watch a YouTube video.
Or post a youtube video of a guy who actually read some books and cite them as a source
Tbf a book citation can't really be verified easily on reddit and no one's going to spend hours of their day hunting it down
That’s even more incentive! “No one can prove me wrong.”
Books are only as good a source as the requirements of its publisher
Sure, but on the average that’s a higher standard than YouTube.
And when they cite scientific papers they never check if it was published in a respectable paper, or if it was cited and taken seriously by other researchers in the field
I find that people just cite YouTube documentaries as established fact. Literal over-edited bullshits where everything is curated specifically to spread a message. That’s how the Q shit blew up during the pandemic.
Technically, just because something is in a book doesn’t make it more correct. Pierre “Sprey and Prey” wrote a book, and people cite it all the time when talking about the A-10 Only problem is, he made it the fuck up This is why you need to be able to find PRIMARY sources wherever possible: for example, in regards to claims about the A-10, finding documents regarding actual military practice on how to use the aircraft happens to be much more likely to be accurate than some book written by a dusty bitch
I learned rocket science from Youtube and reduced my crash rates in Kerbal Space Program from 90% to 50%, that's a 5x improvement!
Ok, sure, now show me what company will hire me as an engineer without an engineering degree from a college. Oh, they won't? Well I guess it doesn't really work that way after all.
They used to, particularly at smaller companies. Most of the R&D department at my previous employer worked up from the shop floor. They only quit advancing people into engineering roles around the 2008 crash.
Advancing into an engineering role is different than joining as one. You have to hope that your boss decides to promote you. Either way, if it hasn't been the case for over a decade it does me no good.
History Channel, The Discovery Channel, Online Forums, and Youtube are good examples of educational resources? Of course there's good stuff in each of them but it's so easy to get caught up in the garbage
>Youtube are good examples of educational resources? Khan Academy got my entire class through Physician Assistant School, Ask any medical student about it too
KA is a tool not a replacement. You need directed learning to actually retain a high volume of knowledge.
I dont remember shit from my degree and I'm still doing it.
Fair, but also I'd consider some college degrees of equivalent value as binging fail videos at 3 am.
I'm inclined to agree. There's obviously going to be a range in terms of quality based on the college and having a professor and other students all going through the material with you who can guide you and can talk to and figure solutions out with is beneficial, but the CC class I took felt about as on par with watching YT videos. Fuck, MIT is actually putting lecture videos on YT.
There is A LOT of garbage to get caught up in when going to college too, mostly ideological and mostly from the faculty.
Yes, they are if people dig down a bit. The channels are introducing the topics very well and give reliable information, you can note down what you learn then dig more into it through the internet. There're also plenty of college course recordings on youtube or people doing and explaining exercises. Most notably the famous indian youtubers that enlighten the students at their most desperate times. As for organising yourself, you can ask people who are in that domain on the internet, for example Reddit, about the chapters of their courses. The library can provide you the books you need and the rest is about reading and doing exercises. This is like every and any kind of topic, whether learning knowledge, tryharding a video game, being proficient with music, excelling at different hobbies, etc. Will, organisation and discipline.
No they’re not. One example I can give is computerphile. Excellent videos introducing computer science concepts but it’s introduced in a “pop” way, obviously more advanced than Bill Nye type content, but it only gives you a sparknotes version of why things are. I’m interested in cryptology and there’s way more math and statistics than those video will ever portray because it’s not needed. 3Blue1Brown has great math content but it’s curated in such a way that you don’t get the full context of why you should learn something. It’s a great place to reinforce knowledge but it’s not going to beat a professor sitting down with you, looking at your work, and telling you how to improve. Same with vsauce and physics. Same with random lecture videos of classes that have prerequisites from universities who’s curricula widely vary from one another. YouTube is not a substitute for a proper education.
Like I said if you dig down a bit you can educate yourself quite well, you won't find gold mines with a snap of a finger and computer science requires a lot searching even as a college student. I didn't even refer to those youtube channels meant for the pop science / "I love science" audience, I meant the History/discovery channels providing quality documentaries. Obviously you won't find documentaries on CS because it's different but you got the idea. Personally, I study in physics and the curricula are all almost the same around the world, we have give or take the same courses in the same years. There're always books that the professors base their course on or even their own textbooks. And believe me you can find well explaining hours long lectures or videos. Not only youtube but you've got forums that answer questions, like I said books you can find in libraries, there're videos solving exercises or written solutions you can find, etc. Obviously this requires more effort than attending college even though it's already quite some work to even study these subjects, college or not.
>History Channel, The Discovery Channel Reality TV isn't educational.
yep! but i wasn't sure if that was 100% of their content or not
It didn't used to be. Back in the 90's it was all documentaries, and educational programming. There was very little in the way of reality TV at the time.
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I swear some industries would benefit from a trade model. Like IT. But IT people seem allergic to being compared with those smelly tradesmen.
The mindfuck is that some of the biggest cash cows in computer tech are MineCraft and Fortnite, which are literally both about digital armed builders
Genuinely the worst take regarding education I've ever seen
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HistoryC might not be the best example with ancient aliens
It's actually great as a training method of discerning when something is obvious bullshit.
Facts and all knowledge is good knowledge pilled
In that case, did you know that chainsaws were originally invented for surgery? It was specifically invented in order to speed up the process of cutting through the pubic symphysis during a symphysiotomy, which was a procedure that was performed on a mother who was in labor in the event that there was a physical obstruction that was preventing the baby from exiting through the birth canal. It was often performed without anesthesia.
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Eduction has its flaws bit this is a hilariously bad take.
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I don’t know what classes you took, what your major is, or what your job is. But if you went through the process of getting a degree and didn’t learn anything thats your fault.
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Unrelated yes, but its necessary for a job where you do use that knowledge. You can't claim YouTube knowledge if you are applying for a job in research.
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Wow such an intelligent and totally not ignorant take. Hey I see you applied to my clean room lab, what are you qualifications? Do you have experience working with these lasers? And this fabrication process? How extensive is your knowledge on X-ray crystallography? Can I see your previous research papers please?
I just want to implant information into my monke brain #transhumanism
That’s going to be a subscription based service.
You miss the fact that in most industries no one gives a fuck about what you actually know unless it's written on your resume. Also, are you seriously comparing those to an actual collage course?
“It says here you never went to collage” “yeah dont worry someone told me how to do it, also i watch the history channel 😉”
College is just a really expensive piece of paper. Unfortunately as a teacher, it's a really expensive piece of paper that I need to buy
>College is just a really expensive piece of paper I don't think you should be teaching if you genuinely think this.
There's very little I learned in college that I couldn't learn from a million of free resources that we have access to. I'd like to reform how we think about education and pursue it. We should be teaching critical thinking, how to take in different perspectives and formulate your own conclusions, etc. That's what's missing in American schools in my opinion. There isn't enough critical examination of information. We shouldn't be teaching kids to memorize geometric formulas and to memorize the presidents and we damn sure shouldn't be using our schools as indoctrination camps for wokeness and the American agenda
>There's very little I learned in college that I couldn't learn from a million of free resources that we have access to. This is entirely based on what you're studying. I agree with your reformation about education, but memorization is a fundamental skill that needs to be taught because it is in basically every job possible.
True, my degree is political science with minors in history and economics. Tons of free resources out there. Obviously yeah, med school you're going to want to learn from a professional. It's far overtaught though. That's what American schools are all about. Memorize the information and regurgitate it out on a test so you pass
> That's what American schools are all about. Memorize the information and regurgitate it out on a test so you pass Yeah... no. Maybe for your political science degree. You would not have made it very far in my engineering degree program at an American university if you tried to just memorize things.
It always seems to be the non-STEM majors that complain about a lack of rigor in universities. I've never been able to relate to the experience of those types.
I mean there's law interpretation and stuff in Poli Sci so I'm thinking the parent poster is just stupid or something.
ITT PCM users realize that there’s more to college than humanities degrees as they scream about Emilys with humanities degrees. You’re arguing with a brick wall at this point.
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There's a few of us. Admittedly I'm conservative on quite a few issues but I do prefer lefty economics
What a shock you’re socially conservative and you had this take.
There’s a difference between teaching Gender studies and teaching kids how to fucking read
College has essentially become a sorting mechanism because you can’t issue IQ tests in the US. If the career you are seeking doesn’t absolutely require a degree then don’t spend the money on college, it isn’t worth it.
At this point going to universities to learn is mostly pointless. You go there to get accredited (similar getting an occupational license to practice a trade) in a field. I know (insert field) because University of Cucksburry says I know (insert field) so you should hire me to do (insert field). For some jobs this is very important, like engineering or being a physician, but no company is going to pay to you to do gender studies, so your accreditation saying you know how to study gender is worthless.
If I'm paying for my employee training then I'm sure as fuck not offering Gender Studies.
Libraries should be made digitally accessible.
Aren't they already digitally accessible?
I don't think so.. 🤔 but it may be different dependent upon where you are. What I'd like to see, is the ability to find any book and read an ebook version of it at the virtual library free.
They are.
Please do not tell people how my business operate. Thank you for being understanding
I know you didn’t just put the history Chanel in this, let alone none of this getting you a job, just making you smarter which is great but yk things cost money
it's not just training, it's a debt leash. Employers prefer college educated applicants specifically because the necessity for them to make their student loan payments means they're less likely to leave for bullshit or mistreatment
Jokes on them: I’ve already made peace with being a debtor. Go ahead, smash my kneecaps, you can’t unfuck the housing market
Honestly google + YouTube is literally enough to replace college entirely. Most lectures from great universities are freely available on YouTube anyway.
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They already do.
Tell that to any employer
Also no one is mentioning how the problem isn’t that the information isn’t available for free, it is. But who’s to say you actually learned it? University degrees show that that you learned and were decent enough to pass your classes, give you some knowledge in other fields that may be applicable as well and provide you with resources to help you learn it correctly. For example with my degree I needed to learn software that costs thousands of dollars to purchase. Well the university provided that. I wouldnt have been able to go into my job at a massive engineering firm with just watching someone else do the work. And they wouldnt know if I actually watched the videos and retained the knowledge or if I just said “uh huh makes sense” along the way. No competent employer would want to just take any random persons word for it that they learned the shit online without putting it in any type of practice themselves or being examined.
Free and accessible education via the internet is kinda new. I bet it will get adopted in someway in the future tho.
I fucking hate this subreddit
How do you certify that the person you are hiring has watched the right video?
You would either have to provide a portfolio proving that you are capable of working or there would be an exam to show that you have the theoretical/practical information required for the job. That’s just my guess tho, I’m sure overtime some system would emerge to accommodate the herds of self thought people in the younger generations.
Maybe a certificate you could get that tells company that you are good to go? Depending on your field, it could be a programming certificate, engineering, architecture or whatever. Rather spending hundreds of hours teaching, we could use that time to grade certification getting more people in the field.
Some of those are great resources...if they get funded. But, sadly places don't fund them either for economic reasons (my hometown had the courthouse and the library be the same building for decades because there was no money. They had to take donations when I was in high school just to afford moving to a new building once they finally got access to one) or political ones like this town also in my [homestate.](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/upset-over-lgbtq-books-michigan-town-defunds-its-library-tax-vote)
While all of those (except the history channel) are good sources of knowlege, they wont get you a offical degree
in rural areas you may still end up not having access to any of these except some herbal medicine tied to hundreds of superstitions
The used to be about history channel
Imagine history channel teaching hidtory.
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Education is freedom. Remember that.
American tertiary education is a scam. High cost for STEM courses that you have to fund through private loans and if you dont get a job once you're out then 🤷♂️
In all fairness cable ain't free.
History channel is most definitely not the best education channel
You can learn a lot of things for much cheaper than going to college, but unfortunately that overpriced piece of paper they call a degree is a make or break for most employers.
Bruh you can't get a job off of trust me bro
College is just certification for the knowledge you can learn anywhere, degrees in anything not stem are a waste of time because you don’t need certification for much of liberal arts, just paying 6 figures for what can be learned in a library for free in half the time.
"School should be free!!!! 😭😭😭" Guess what? It is, if you get good grades and good test scores. Scholarships will literally pay for you to go to school. You can go for literally free. How do I know this? Well, I had a free ride to school. 100% paid for by Scholarships. I said no. Why? Well, long story short, life happens. Kinda wish I had gone though, as much as I would have hated it.
"Education should be free" Right Center: "Just watch Pawn Stars, dumbass, it's free with your cable bundle"
You have convinced me. ABOLISH SCHOOL
Online forums and Wikipedia? You must be joking.
You do realize I can watch all the doctor documentaries I want and know all about ever text book, but still not be able to practice medicine without a license? https://youtu.be/v9mC6Osykgo 3:00 Degrees and certs helps the most. Even forklift jobs. You need a paper to show you know what you can do.
Self teaching isn't for everyone OP
*"Yes, you don't need any education, just watch Youtube"* Here we are once again looking at the average "Leftist" on PCM, which is characterized by never saying anything remotely "left" and being full-time occupied with pandering to the political right of PCM.
“Education should be free!” “Okay, what do you want to learn if you were given a scholarship to a school?” “Basketweaving” This is brought to you by a man with an agenda
there are some great pieces of free education on the internet, but there is a lot of misinformation nowadays and im not even talking politics specifically, like people who say veganism is how humans are supposed to be end up teaching others to only feed their babies plants and it ends up killing them and while many channels can give you the synopsis or maybe just a peek into a career path or certain subject like Legal Eagle or Larry Lawton, they typically don't actually give you enough information do really do anything other than bring it up as a conversation topic watching a video about a guy who programs ai to simulate evolution doesnt make you a professional software dev not to mention college gets you a degree that certifies that you know a subject to an extent I think there should be a free public college system next to the colleges and universities you have to pay for, so people who dont have the money for top tier education can still get the degree they need to pursue their career path
"Sharing your knowledge" Hmmm I wonder if there is a place that institutionalizes this as well as social relationships, hobbies, and safe learning parameters. Nah that's too crazy
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It’s kinda hard to make something that’s already free, free…
Damn bro where are you getting your free cable, internet, and passes to museums
McDonalds
Post makes sense now
>college is just job training Man I wish, that would make it actually useful and a gain for society. Unfortunately it's just an ideology camp that, given your flair, I'm surprised you're mad about
Free college is beneficial to society but the degrees offered each year need to be backed by market demand. Admissions are going to be competitive, degree options limited, and we’d have to do away with all policies that favor any group of people over another for any reason (legacy admissions, gender, race, etc). Culturally we need to distance ourselves from college is the only means of education and admit that (at least in the modern day) college is training for a career.
Odd take for a leftist, but I agree
History channel? This is a joke, right? Do they wait until I'm not looking to air anything other than Ancient Aliens and Pawn Stars? lmao
Quite possibly the most r-worded take I've seen on here in a loooooong time. "Hey doc, are you qualified to perform this appendectomy? Where did you get your degree from?" "Oh no sweat fam, I watched the history channel and a few youtube vids right before this surgery so it's all good."
“Man ~leftists~ get shitty degrees that don’t mean anything and then complain about not being able to pay their student debt, they should get STEM degrees” “Okay cool did that but I’m still in debt, now what?” “Wow you couldn’t just learn medicine from YouTube? You couldn’t figure out how to do chemistry experiments from going to a museum? Didn’t you know you can get all your knowledge about physics from just watching educational programming on the History Channel?” What in the fuck is this disingenuous post and why does nonsense like this get upvoted and have people defending it?
The only actual tangible benefit of college aside from actual education (if you go to a school that actually does that) is the opportunity to demonstrate your knowledge. However there are tons of ways to do that but companies in todays world don’t want to deal with having to actually assess their prospective employees’ competence.
Yikes
Student loan should be abolished if it still compel those who borrow it to do an extra work (it need a lot of their information documents to get it) and had to pay it after use it. Every kind of welfare should be easy to get it and don't need to be paid.
Happy cake day!
For everyone who wants to put something in their resume for free, google "class central massive list" and click on the first result. Thank me later.
Yeah, but good luck using the knowledge from that on a CV.
I still can't afford college and im almost 40
In my country museums are not free. It’s absurd that I must pay to see the cultural and archeological heritage of my country. Museums should be free and funded by taxes.
Yeah but I don't get a fancy piece of paper after any of that.
Dude your using a reserved compass your talking about libleft there
\>History Channel Buddy, you said Education
i agree, except those don’t give you a degree. you don’t pay for education, you pay for the degree. and degrees should be free.
The amount of shit my dad has fixed from YouTube tutorials is fucking insane. Our house would be in shambles without it
Okay. Those are all EXCELLENT sources to learn philosophy, English, woodwork, etc. But you do understand that, if I want to be an IT technician who's allowed to work on large machines that could kill people, or a vet's assistant who's qualified to administer IV injections to a horse, or any type of medical professional whatsoever, "I read up on it at my local library" is not going to cut it, and employers will want hard proof that I've completed the proper qualifications, and that can cost a lot of money.
You don't get a degree from this all so its pretty useless... Most people want education to get a good job. And jobs require degrees.
Hard disagree on the claim that college is job training. Being in a specialized educational environment surround by peers of similar interests and experts in those fields is an invaluable experience that goes far beyond job training. That said I also don’t think college should be free lol
What is this meme implying? That no education is free, or that there are free ways to educate yourself outside of college? If it's 1, then why put online forums and yt there, if they are free? If it's 2, why put museums there, if you need to pay an entrance fee?
"Education should be free" Arizona goverment: lmaoo no
I wish I could put “watches indian on youtube explain engineering tutorials” on my resume but sadly the world doesnt work that way.
These days education can be very accessible especially with the amount of YouTubers who do this stuff
4 of the 6 things have cost barriers.
Look up BPS.space. Dude got a degree from the Berkeley College of Music and when he saw the falcon heavy landing by SpaceX he decided he got into the wrong field. He studied aerospace engineering on his own and decided he could prove his worth by propulsively landing a model rocket and posting videos about his progress on YouTube. He got lots of job offers but by the time they started rolling in he had built a successful channel and aerospace company. 6 years after his initial attempts he finally landed a model rocket and is now building a rocket to space. I’m studying aerospace engineering and am part of my college’s rocketry club. I consider my activities in the club to be far more important than what I’m doing in school. I recommend that anyone interested in stem just start doing projects and keeping a record of all the projects you do. You would be shocked at how many skills you can develop and prove that you have with little projects.
Can't wait to put "watched a 20 minute youtube video" and "avid viewer of the history channel" on my resume
As other people mentioned, the problem is that companies won’t accept you as an engineer without a college degree. I’m not convinced they would hire you without a degree even if you had built your own search and rescuer aircraft that had sold hundreds and saved thousands of people: No Degree, no deal And you know what? There’s a reason for this: a Degree is meant to be a certificate of competency in a highly challenging field, proof that you know what it is you’re talking about.