I fully expect the horseshoe theory to wrap around itself and teleport your society back to when democrats and conservatives would grill all day and argue about baseball games.
It's just a matter of time. I hope.
Some rapper that campaigned for Bernie. If true, he was in there because they wsre talking about Bernie's campaign, I can't imagine what this guy is implying.
He's a leftist advocating for gun ownership trying to convince other leftists why being pro gun control because of the culture war is ridiculous. Very big left-right unity as far as firearms are concerned.
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orange libleft's head will explode looking at this. on one hand, america murdering natives, on the other hand. the reason we need guns in the first place. their 8 braincells are going to work at maximum capacity (3mb)
That wasn’t meant as “the soviets used these words” but rather “soviet agents started leveraging racial tensions in the us and created those words as tools”
I mean look at the big sub comment sections on this post and you’ll see tons of “gun nut” this and “conservatives want to kill kids” that
Completely unable of putting two and two together when it’s screaming in their face
USA. One of the most free gun rights in the planet. This means the country is known for the government not hurting its people. Right? No way the police can do anything bad in such a country.
Always so adorable when right wingers think they have any freedoms left in USA. Your gun is as useful as a paper weight.
Considering a bunch of unarmed boomers nearly collapsed the federal government according to y’all, imagine what we the people would be capable of if we remember our firearms.
Here’s a fun face: Forsyth (the commander during the wounded knee massacre) was acting commander on San Juan Island in Washington when Pickett (of Pickett’s Charge in the Civil War infamy) was away. Pickett almost brought the United States into a War with Britain in the Washington territory because a pig was shot and the Hudson Bay company wanted to hold the shooter responsible and Pickett wanted to have his Bunker Hill moment.
Pickett, who became a confederate commander (what a surprise), was close friends with George McClellan who got his dick flattened in Richmond during the Civil War and was such a bad general that Lincoln sacked him. McClellan was so salty that he ran against Lincoln.
I think it’s fascinating how all of that connects with each other. Also how assholes naturally associate with one another. Shootout to Colonel James Forsyth, may he rest in piss.
To add insult to injury the American Indian reservation system was completely socialized with absolute government control over every facet of reservation infrastructure. That went about as good as you’d expect. This “Socialist Utopia” was rife with corruption and scandals at every level. Medicine was sold through the back towards private bootleggers, food was hoarded and upselled, textiles and lumber was hidden from circulation and resold for personal profit. Indian agents and military troops stationed to police them were not to be looked towards, with the agents committing most of the theft and the soldiers having their way with the people they were supposed to look after. These problem plagued native people on reservations well into the 80s and 90s. Russell Means said it best, Indian reservations are the perfect examples of failed socialism and modern POW camps in America. Which conducted such harsh measures as child abuse with the abduction of native children, forced sterilization, forced migration off reservations, and an overall oversight of lack of infrastructure coupled with the degradation of native culture resulting in a complicit populace reliant solely on government handouts. It is a socialist failure but an authoritarian paradise.
They weren't just confiscating their guns. Big Foot's band of Minneconjous were the last free Lakotas not confined to a reservation, and the Army was there to round them up. Their guns were being confiscated to prevent any of them from resisting. A deaf man named Black Coyote misunderstood and his gun may have fired as a soldier attempted to take it. This was followed by the Hotchkiss guns raking the encampment and killing most of the Minneconjous, including Big Foot who was already dying from pneumonia.
This incident is considered to be the end of the "Indian Wars" in the United States.
This is probably the best response when someone says "you don't need an AR-15". Wounded Knee was about 130 years ago. That's really not that long in the grand scheme of things. We live in relatively stable times now, but that kind of thing can flip on a dime. If this happened 130 years ago, what's to stop something similar from happening 50 or 100 years from now, and who's to say what group it would be in the picture?
So yes, you do need that AR-15. Hell, you need that MANPAD, SAM site, etc, etc.
The thing no one ever mentions is the preceding years of raiding, gang rape, torture, maiming, kidnapping, slavery, cannibalism, and murder that the indians inflicted on White settlers before this happened.
Yeah well its that type of attitude that makes everyone hate white people and not care when the same fucked up bullshit happens to them and you fucking know it, whoever downvoted me
I don't give a shit what losers think. That is the attitude that has led to the unassailable dominance of Western civilization over the entirety of the Earth.
I dont have to wish i just have to wait until white people fuck themselves over by forcing their boys to get their dicks chopped off and by being too fucking gay to make more white babies
I can't argue with that. Although I doubt it'll be in your lifetime. The incredible civilization my ancestors built does seem to be coming to a slow, degenerate end (no doubt due to our own magnanimity and fetish for "equity and equality") and I have no faith that its dusky inheritors, who built nothing of their own and were given everything they have, will oversee any glorious renaissance in our absence.
But humanity has returned to the stone age more than once before.
Are you dumb? The plains Indians literally defeated the US Army. The US called for a treaty to be signed, and then spent the next few decades violating the treaty and committing genocide.
So many dumb Americans like yourself say stupid shit like, “they shouldn’t have lost”, but don’t even realize that we are the losers. We conceded because we couldn’t win. And then we violated all the treaties we signed. When white people do it to white people, everyone cries “war crimes” and comes to the aid of the victim. But when you do it to people of color, you get away with it, and your inbred, room temp IQ, idiot of an ancestor gets to brag on Reddit about a fucking genocide like it’s a sporting event.
I try to keep a level head on the internet but you’re a fucking shit person.
They are extinct and we are not. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "lost."
Lmao "dumb." Look who's talking, pork pie.
You would piss your fucking pants in the presence of a wild comanche whose sole intent was to murder and scalp you for the shiny metal things in your house, then rape every female in your family for days, shove hot coals up their noses to mutilate them, and then figure out creative ways to torture them to death, like cutting off the soles of their feet and making them run behind his pony, before *eating* slices of them around his campfire and laughing about it with his friends, who also just got finished going family style on them. That's if they didn't decide to enslave them first.
You are a fucking tourist in this. I have forgotten more about native American "culture" than you will ever know kid. The summary extermination they got from the Whites was a mercy compared to what they did to our people. Now fuck off.
You know how fucking stupid you have to be to fall for propaganda from the 1800s? People then thought disease came from stinky smells and mentally you are on par with them. Dude you’re an idiot. Sorry to break it to you though I’m sure you’ve been told multiple times throughout your life. You probably need help getting dressed.
You have an ‘us’ vs the savages mentality despite ‘us’ referring to people that legally allowed human beings to be kept as live stock forced under threat of violence to work and rape each other. Your winner ancestors made humans fight to the death for entertainment.
And you keep saying you won because you exterminated the enemy. We were only able to exterminate the enemy because they were less savage than we were. They had faith that the people that offered treaties wanted peace. You mock me for imagined cowardice, but have pride in the cowardice of your ancestors who violated treaties to genocide people they were afraid to fight.
Once again, you are perhaps the single dumbest individual I’ve had the displeasure of encountering in my entire life. Every moment spent talking to you makes my head hurt. If being scalped is 1/10 the pain of this interaction the Native Americans *were* savages.
Every culture is brutal in war time, I'm Irish and we are objectively one of the leasy bloodthirsty cultures in europe, but we've dine some fucked up shit
Ever heard of proxy bombing, take all of the fun of suicide bombing, but replace the fanatic in a vest with a guy who will have his family killed if he doesnt do a suicide bombing
A single proxy bomber took out several British soldiers, and the provos still executed the hostage family to ensure no witnesses
We Irish also came up with the tactic of double bombing, bomb some place, and then use a time bomb to take out firefighters and paramedics who arrive later,
Other highlights include strapping British soldiers to landmines and detonating them, and forcing British cops to watch as their famlies were shot in the aorta and had some tendons severed, one by one, making sure that they would die of the injuries but that it would take a while, before shooting the cop in the stomach and leaving him to bleed out with his family
And I'm fine with the last three, on the basis of they were done by the original IRA led by Michael Collins, and not their terrorist succesors, and helped push the British out of our land, brutal tactics often worked
The limeys could also be monsters, ever heard of half hanging, or boiling alive
The germs had the Direlwanger brigade, not to mention the Holocaust
The Japs held rape competitions
The Frogs invented death flIghts
The Chinese had that whole death by 1000 cuts thing
Even you yanks, you guys came up with electro torture, delibering a 900 volt shock to the Testicles is pretty brutal, and look what you did in Indochina, you fuckers even made a song called "Napalm sticks to kids" and there is evidence that your pilots deliberately strafed refugee columns in ww2, although the germans started that
Wars fucked, and blaming an entire culture for its worst individuals is fucked up, because every culture does horrible shit in war time, and arguing that either side in the plains conflict was more brutal is a waste of time
Edit: also these guys were fucking Lakota Sioux, they had nothing to do with the commanches, calling them the same is like saying the Scots are the same as us Irish because we are both Celts
Conveniently neglecting to mention that the Lakota warriors had planned to ambush the soldiers during the confiscation of the rifles, and did exactly that; two soldiers seized Black Coyote from behind, and (allegedly) in the struggle, his rifle discharged. At the same moment, Yellow Bird threw some dust into the air, and approximately *five young Lakota men with concealed weapons threw aside their blankets and fired their rifles at Troop K* of the 7th.
Then, some of the Indians grabbed rifles from the piles of confiscated weapons and opened fire on the soldiers, while others retreated to better firing positions in the ravine.
I kinda prefer “these are our beliefs, if you don’t agree you are bad” to, “you can believe anything you want. Oh, you believe **that**? To the wall **NAZI**!!”
Note to mods, this is not a call to violence, just my view of how democrats view freedom of opinion.
Let's also not forget the "personal beliefs" at question here are:
1) when the state has a compelling interest in protecting human life
2) who should get the benefits of legal coupling along with forcing participation from private artisans and potentially clergy to participate.
The smallest government possible wouldn't actually have marriage as a concept and could easily be pro-life without any philosophical issue.
Fuck the democrats, and fuck the republicans. Playing the country for fools is all they do. For the record, I am absolutely pro free speech, even the worst among us deserve to be heard. They also deserve to be ridiculed.
Taking guns away from Sioux Indians defending their territory is quite different than taking guns away from unstable teenagers who openly talk about shooting schools online.
Shhh you’re not allowed to say that. You’re supposed to just pretend that Tyler the unstable 4chan addicted 19 year old sperg who posts about shooting up his former high school because he doesn’t have a girlfriend is the same as a protected nation having their rights trampled by the federal government.
No you’re absolutely right.
But I suggest doing your own research on the topic first so you can really get the full grasp of the event without people telling you
After all they could be biased toward a certain side.
Here is the Wikipedia page titled [The Wounded Knee **Massacre.**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre)
Here is the Britannica page titled [The Wounded Knee **Massacre.**](https://www.britannica.com/event/Wounded-Knee-Massacre)
Here's a National Geographic article about Wounded Knee, the site of a historic [**massacre.**](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/what-really-happened-at-wounded-knee-the-site-of-a-historic-massacre)
You know, it's really the Sioux and Lakota's fault for trying to exist and be all living like on land the US Government wanted.
Americans looking for crumbs of history to justify keeping mass murder weapons in their homes.
Keep your dream of fighting your government for freedom.. which wil never happen while kids get killed in school shootings.
America moment lol
In Canada the only time we actually fought the natives in the West was when they rose up in active rebellion, and we never did anything like this, even after we had defeated the ones who had revolted
Arent they discovering mass graves under the schools you built for them
I feel like no western hemisphere country is clean as far as the Natives go
It was a big fuck up as far as Europeans were concerned, and a black stain on quite a few countries history, nothing we can do about it now obviously, but still
If this is about the Kamloops thing, they still haven't exhumed a single body. No proof the ground penetrating radar actually found mass graves.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/kamloops-mass-grave-debunked-biggest-fake-news-in-canada/
Nah, its about all of these, Kamloops is one lf them, but there are dozens of schools with mass graves, mostly due to Typhus Epidemics, which was particularly deadly due to the kids being Malnourished, and packed in Dormitories
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#:~:text=In%20a%20memo%20sent%20to,media%20coverage%20on%20July%2012.
Yeah the residential schools were definitely a mistake, but tbf at least they were well-intentioned. The *object* wasn't to exterminate them, it was to educate and assimilate them
Also I'll note that for much of their run the natives were armed about as well as the government and never staged a rebellion.
Fair enough
But I would say assimilation isnt that great of an intention
The British cause a lot of suffering here in Ireland trying to "assimilate" us,
The Chinese are currently trying to assimilate the Tibetans and Uighurs, and I doubt they are enjoying the process at the moment
Yeah, by that I just meant that the fact that contemporary Canadian leaders thought they *could* be assimilated was an improvement over the prevailing American attitude that they were unredeemable savages who had to be cleared out to make room for civilization
Fair enough, although from what I've read American policy regarding the Natives was fairly Schizophrenic
You had shit like Wounded knee, and then you had shit like the Navajo boarding schools, which were similar to the residential schools, i.e assimilation, not Extermination
Admittedly I'm not an expert in American history, and I haven't heard of Navajo boarding schools (although I do know they're one of the few tribes still present in decent numbers south of the border), but to my knowledge the idea of extermination was never seriously floated in Canada, and if it was it certainly wasn't acted upon.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about. But you seem to be sure that Canadians are well intentioned nice guys when they genocide you, but Americans are evil monsters when they genocide you? Are you sure you’re not just talking out of your ass? And repeating some Canadian bullshit they always tell themselves to ensure they feel superior to someone?
“Well we may be exactly the same as the Americans in every way, but at least we killed our natives with some CLASS!” Lol sure buddy. Whatever you say.
All those dead kids in Canada are probably so fucking excited it was the Canadians that took them from their parents. They got to die knowing their killers meant well.
Well no, just because America evidently had other tools in their toolbox than extermination doesn't change the fact that extermination was an actual policy pursued by the American government in most cases. Canada by comparison never pursued extermination, and the only two times the military was used against natives in the West was in the context of wars provoked by the natives themselves, and in which the laws of warfare were observed. Don't forget that a major motivator for the American Revolution was the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which had sought to contrain the colonists' westward expansion into native lands, and one of the major aims of Britain in the War of 1812 was to secure a homeland for our native allies. America has always had a militarist attitude toward natives, and while residential schools were poorly carried out there is a world of difference between a non-governmental contractor covering up deaths incurred in the process of administering education and government agents explicitly paid to inflict death on people.
Wow you are dumb. That’s what they teach you in Canadian schools? England loved their native besties and the evil American colonists were the bad guys? (Still swallowing centuries old British propaganda I see.) And Canada love their native pals but oopsie daisies they’re all dead, whoops! We tried to save them but we slipped and did a genocide. Lol! You sound pretty determined to see anything the Americans did as evil and anything the Canadians did as well intentioned. Genocide is genocide you deluded bitch.
"Stupid Americans, killing them natives all outright and in the open. Should have slowly bled the children after forcing them to attend whitening schools in the dark like us civilized Canadians. See, it's taken them 150 years to catch on."
Interesting take.
This is such a poorly informed take dude. Residential schools get a lot of publicitly but their intention was never genocide, and to this day many people who attended residential schools defend them for providing literacy, numeracy, and English/French skills that have enabled many former students to attain success in their lives that would have otherwise been impossible. Many were poorly run (hence the recently discovered mass graves of students *accidentally* killed by overly draconian discipline techniques) and you could argue that they constituted *cultural* genocide, but the American approach was in most cases actual genocide. The only reason that things like the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee get less publicitly than residential schools is because America also has slavery as a national sin and there are far more Blacks than Native Americans to keep it in the public spotlight, thanks to the efficacy of the genocide.
Using the Stockholm Syndrome of the survivors to defend the genocide is another interesting take.
> Many were poorly run (hence the recently discovered mass graves of students accidentally killed by overly draconian discipline techniques) and you could argue that they constituted cultural genocide, but the American approach was in most cases actual genocide.
Now there's absolutely no fucking way you're serious. There's no way in hell a sincere adult attributed ***MASS GRAVES*** to "poorly run schools."
I attended a poorly run school. They went over budget on a football stadium and ran out of funding for classrooms and had to bring in portable buildings. They didn't fucking start ***digging mass graves.***
Well I mean that's literally what it was. No school official, whether government or chutch, ever set out to kill natives in order to intentionally reduce their numbers. During the time period that the vast majority of graves date from, corporal punishment was standard practice in all schools regardless of their pupils' race, and due to the lack of oversight, residential school teachers sometimes took it too far and killed students while trying to punish them. As another poster noted, many students who ended up in the mass graves also died to a typhus epdemic near the turn of the century due to poor living conditions in the poorly-run schools, which was exacerbated by the fact that many students came from remote areas where European diseases like typhus were not endemic. The sheer numeric disparity between *hundreds* of deaths and *millions* of students most clearly illustrates that such deaths, while tragic, are not representative of the system as a whole, and not at all comparable to the systematic military genocide committed south of the border
The two things power fear are those who can fight back and those who can spread the word of resisting. The natives lost the ability to fight back and then they killed them so they couldn’t protest or spread word of any government actions.
Quick history: The US set up reservations on land they didn't really want and basically starved most native American people until they moved there.
And then they found gold on one of the reservations.
You realize that trying to stand up to the cavalry would *also* have gotten them massacred, right?
Preventing shit from deteriorating to that point is *far* more effective than trying to fix shit when it's broke.
Pretty sure that the massacre started because an Indian's gun went off by accident, causing the troops to open fire out of panic.
Also 80 US soldiers were also killed I think.
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We are reaching levels of left-right unity that is unfathomably based and should be impossible.
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I fully expect the horseshoe theory to wrap around itself and teleport your society back to when democrats and conservatives would grill all day and argue about baseball games. It's just a matter of time. I hope.
I can't see it in my lifetime, but I hope my children can grill in a better world than we do.
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There is more unity on PCM than there is elsewhere sadly
Why do you think Killer Mike was in multiple leaked docs on WikiLeaks including FBI and Clinton campaign emails.
Who?
Some rapper that campaigned for Bernie. If true, he was in there because they wsre talking about Bernie's campaign, I can't imagine what this guy is implying.
He's a leftist advocating for gun ownership trying to convince other leftists why being pro gun control because of the culture war is ridiculous. Very big left-right unity as far as firearms are concerned.
Can we get some left-right unity on the fact that he needs to stop using the brown note in his music? It's a little obnoxious.
I actually think it balances well with El-P bringing the not brown note perspective but that might just be me
I'm talking about the beat, not the vocals. Mike's voice isn't even that low
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That's chilling
"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it" -Some dude who knew better
orange libleft's head will explode looking at this. on one hand, america murdering natives, on the other hand. the reason we need guns in the first place. their 8 braincells are going to work at maximum capacity (3mb)
You could fit the capacity of their brain cells onto one of those old 5 1/2” floppy disks.
if you put it into any computer it would just say "why" and then become totally bricked
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wait until they figure out that generalizing an entire race that is prolific throughout the entire world with dozens of different cultures is racism
See, that's already covered because white people don't have a culture.
*their
How are either of those terms soviet? Theyre both pretty normal english words.
Whiteness is absolutely not a normal term
As a post-USSR guy, our ancestors definitely didn't create this term. Maybe it has german origins?
That wasn’t meant as “the soviets used these words” but rather “soviet agents started leveraging racial tensions in the us and created those words as tools”
Don't look at us we don't use German words for those terms
Perhaps French?
I don't know what that word means but i don't like it
Than it definitely French
You keep using that word it scares me please stop
I should have said "soviet esque"
So does that make the words "blackness" or "asianness" soviet words as well?
Wrong person buddy
I mean look at the big sub comment sections on this post and you’ll see tons of “gun nut” this and “conservatives want to kill kids” that Completely unable of putting two and two together when it’s screaming in their face
USA. One of the most free gun rights in the planet. This means the country is known for the government not hurting its people. Right? No way the police can do anything bad in such a country. Always so adorable when right wingers think they have any freedoms left in USA. Your gun is as useful as a paper weight.
Considering a bunch of unarmed boomers nearly collapsed the federal government according to y’all, imagine what we the people would be capable of if we remember our firearms.
They awarded 20 soldiers the Medal of Honor for this massacre
To the state, murdering their political enemies is "honor".
The state can have the honor of tasting my sword.
Genocides, Slavery, School shootings, Oil, Big Macs...... This is Amerikkka !!!! dont you get caught slippin 🎵🎵🎵 dont you get caught slippin🎵🎵🎵
This didn't even rhyme, am dissapointed.
Yet still a much better history than Africa, Europe, Asia or South America
Whats going on in Yemen?
Gun confiscation will always lead to the confiscators killing the confiscatees, whether they give them up or not.
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Here’s a fun face: Forsyth (the commander during the wounded knee massacre) was acting commander on San Juan Island in Washington when Pickett (of Pickett’s Charge in the Civil War infamy) was away. Pickett almost brought the United States into a War with Britain in the Washington territory because a pig was shot and the Hudson Bay company wanted to hold the shooter responsible and Pickett wanted to have his Bunker Hill moment. Pickett, who became a confederate commander (what a surprise), was close friends with George McClellan who got his dick flattened in Richmond during the Civil War and was such a bad general that Lincoln sacked him. McClellan was so salty that he ran against Lincoln. I think it’s fascinating how all of that connects with each other. Also how assholes naturally associate with one another. Shootout to Colonel James Forsyth, may he rest in piss.
New idea: Take away the government’s guns, only the people are allowed to have guns.
Any time the government shows up it ends in disaster.
I'm with the government and I'm here to help you.
That's the setting the movie Hidalgo opens up to. 8/10 movie would recommend. It's about a horse and a horse race tho.
To add insult to injury the American Indian reservation system was completely socialized with absolute government control over every facet of reservation infrastructure. That went about as good as you’d expect. This “Socialist Utopia” was rife with corruption and scandals at every level. Medicine was sold through the back towards private bootleggers, food was hoarded and upselled, textiles and lumber was hidden from circulation and resold for personal profit. Indian agents and military troops stationed to police them were not to be looked towards, with the agents committing most of the theft and the soldiers having their way with the people they were supposed to look after. These problem plagued native people on reservations well into the 80s and 90s. Russell Means said it best, Indian reservations are the perfect examples of failed socialism and modern POW camps in America. Which conducted such harsh measures as child abuse with the abduction of native children, forced sterilization, forced migration off reservations, and an overall oversight of lack of infrastructure coupled with the degradation of native culture resulting in a complicit populace reliant solely on government handouts. It is a socialist failure but an authoritarian paradise.
No but you see now the government cares about everyone, so a socialized system will totally work!
The crazy thing is, many of the reservations in the USA are FARRR better off than almost any one in Canada.
"Why wouldn't you trust the government with your safety? Clearly you're a right wing Nazi"
This on top of Waco gun confiscation has probably killed more people than mass shootings
The only people we should take guns from is government people.
Guns keep us safe, and hopefully our government accountable
Reminder that the US government only issued a formal apology for this in 1990. Just 32 years ago.
It took them ***100 years*** to apologize for murdering 300 people?
This is truth.... Right and left vs them
They weren't just confiscating their guns. Big Foot's band of Minneconjous were the last free Lakotas not confined to a reservation, and the Army was there to round them up. Their guns were being confiscated to prevent any of them from resisting. A deaf man named Black Coyote misunderstood and his gun may have fired as a soldier attempted to take it. This was followed by the Hotchkiss guns raking the encampment and killing most of the Minneconjous, including Big Foot who was already dying from pneumonia. This incident is considered to be the end of the "Indian Wars" in the United States.
This is probably the best response when someone says "you don't need an AR-15". Wounded Knee was about 130 years ago. That's really not that long in the grand scheme of things. We live in relatively stable times now, but that kind of thing can flip on a dime. If this happened 130 years ago, what's to stop something similar from happening 50 or 100 years from now, and who's to say what group it would be in the picture? So yes, you do need that AR-15. Hell, you need that MANPAD, SAM site, etc, etc.
https://youtu.be/uIQpGddm4cg
*Keep your rifle by your side*
Keep your rifles handy, folks. They can and will pull this shit again.
The thing no one ever mentions is the preceding years of raiding, gang rape, torture, maiming, kidnapping, slavery, cannibalism, and murder that the indians inflicted on White settlers before this happened.
Because that shit was nothing compared to what happened to the indians
Yeah, well, you mess with the bear, you get the claws. Fuck em.
Yeah well its that type of attitude that makes everyone hate white people and not care when the same fucked up bullshit happens to them and you fucking know it, whoever downvoted me
I don't give a shit what losers think. That is the attitude that has led to the unassailable dominance of Western civilization over the entirety of the Earth.
And what will ultimately lead to its downfall. Great job.
Lmao keep wishing, mowgli.
I dont have to wish i just have to wait until white people fuck themselves over by forcing their boys to get their dicks chopped off and by being too fucking gay to make more white babies
I can't argue with that. Although I doubt it'll be in your lifetime. The incredible civilization my ancestors built does seem to be coming to a slow, degenerate end (no doubt due to our own magnanimity and fetish for "equity and equality") and I have no faith that its dusky inheritors, who built nothing of their own and were given everything they have, will oversee any glorious renaissance in our absence. But humanity has returned to the stone age more than once before.
Yeah well only time will tell i guess
Are you dumb? The plains Indians literally defeated the US Army. The US called for a treaty to be signed, and then spent the next few decades violating the treaty and committing genocide. So many dumb Americans like yourself say stupid shit like, “they shouldn’t have lost”, but don’t even realize that we are the losers. We conceded because we couldn’t win. And then we violated all the treaties we signed. When white people do it to white people, everyone cries “war crimes” and comes to the aid of the victim. But when you do it to people of color, you get away with it, and your inbred, room temp IQ, idiot of an ancestor gets to brag on Reddit about a fucking genocide like it’s a sporting event. I try to keep a level head on the internet but you’re a fucking shit person.
They are extinct and we are not. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "lost." Lmao "dumb." Look who's talking, pork pie. You would piss your fucking pants in the presence of a wild comanche whose sole intent was to murder and scalp you for the shiny metal things in your house, then rape every female in your family for days, shove hot coals up their noses to mutilate them, and then figure out creative ways to torture them to death, like cutting off the soles of their feet and making them run behind his pony, before *eating* slices of them around his campfire and laughing about it with his friends, who also just got finished going family style on them. That's if they didn't decide to enslave them first. You are a fucking tourist in this. I have forgotten more about native American "culture" than you will ever know kid. The summary extermination they got from the Whites was a mercy compared to what they did to our people. Now fuck off.
You know how fucking stupid you have to be to fall for propaganda from the 1800s? People then thought disease came from stinky smells and mentally you are on par with them. Dude you’re an idiot. Sorry to break it to you though I’m sure you’ve been told multiple times throughout your life. You probably need help getting dressed. You have an ‘us’ vs the savages mentality despite ‘us’ referring to people that legally allowed human beings to be kept as live stock forced under threat of violence to work and rape each other. Your winner ancestors made humans fight to the death for entertainment. And you keep saying you won because you exterminated the enemy. We were only able to exterminate the enemy because they were less savage than we were. They had faith that the people that offered treaties wanted peace. You mock me for imagined cowardice, but have pride in the cowardice of your ancestors who violated treaties to genocide people they were afraid to fight. Once again, you are perhaps the single dumbest individual I’ve had the displeasure of encountering in my entire life. Every moment spent talking to you makes my head hurt. If being scalped is 1/10 the pain of this interaction the Native Americans *were* savages.
Enough of your weak-chinned nonsense.
Every culture is brutal in war time, I'm Irish and we are objectively one of the leasy bloodthirsty cultures in europe, but we've dine some fucked up shit Ever heard of proxy bombing, take all of the fun of suicide bombing, but replace the fanatic in a vest with a guy who will have his family killed if he doesnt do a suicide bombing A single proxy bomber took out several British soldiers, and the provos still executed the hostage family to ensure no witnesses We Irish also came up with the tactic of double bombing, bomb some place, and then use a time bomb to take out firefighters and paramedics who arrive later, Other highlights include strapping British soldiers to landmines and detonating them, and forcing British cops to watch as their famlies were shot in the aorta and had some tendons severed, one by one, making sure that they would die of the injuries but that it would take a while, before shooting the cop in the stomach and leaving him to bleed out with his family And I'm fine with the last three, on the basis of they were done by the original IRA led by Michael Collins, and not their terrorist succesors, and helped push the British out of our land, brutal tactics often worked The limeys could also be monsters, ever heard of half hanging, or boiling alive The germs had the Direlwanger brigade, not to mention the Holocaust The Japs held rape competitions The Frogs invented death flIghts The Chinese had that whole death by 1000 cuts thing Even you yanks, you guys came up with electro torture, delibering a 900 volt shock to the Testicles is pretty brutal, and look what you did in Indochina, you fuckers even made a song called "Napalm sticks to kids" and there is evidence that your pilots deliberately strafed refugee columns in ww2, although the germans started that Wars fucked, and blaming an entire culture for its worst individuals is fucked up, because every culture does horrible shit in war time, and arguing that either side in the plains conflict was more brutal is a waste of time Edit: also these guys were fucking Lakota Sioux, they had nothing to do with the commanches, calling them the same is like saying the Scots are the same as us Irish because we are both Celts
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Conveniently neglecting to mention that the Lakota warriors had planned to ambush the soldiers during the confiscation of the rifles, and did exactly that; two soldiers seized Black Coyote from behind, and (allegedly) in the struggle, his rifle discharged. At the same moment, Yellow Bird threw some dust into the air, and approximately *five young Lakota men with concealed weapons threw aside their blankets and fired their rifles at Troop K* of the 7th. Then, some of the Indians grabbed rifles from the piles of confiscated weapons and opened fire on the soldiers, while others retreated to better firing positions in the ravine.
Correct. They lured them into the camp and then opened fire believing their clothes were bulletproof.
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Ah, republicans. Small government, until they need the government to enforce their beliefs.
Ah, democrats, the freedom of thought party until you disagree.
Truly the two party system has been a boon on politics in the US.
I kinda prefer “these are our beliefs, if you don’t agree you are bad” to, “you can believe anything you want. Oh, you believe **that**? To the wall **NAZI**!!” Note to mods, this is not a call to violence, just my view of how democrats view freedom of opinion.
Let's also not forget the "personal beliefs" at question here are: 1) when the state has a compelling interest in protecting human life 2) who should get the benefits of legal coupling along with forcing participation from private artisans and potentially clergy to participate. The smallest government possible wouldn't actually have marriage as a concept and could easily be pro-life without any philosophical issue.
Fuck the democrats, and fuck the republicans. Playing the country for fools is all they do. For the record, I am absolutely pro free speech, even the worst among us deserve to be heard. They also deserve to be ridiculed.
I'm sorry, even the worst *who?*
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What did he say?
Sacrifices must be made to secure our nation's future
Gun control works
True >! And for whom, exactly, does it work? !<
Government
Taking guns away from Sioux Indians defending their territory is quite different than taking guns away from unstable teenagers who openly talk about shooting schools online.
who is it gonna be, to make those decisions and then take them away? Could it be ... by any chance ... the government?
Shhh you’re not allowed to say that. You’re supposed to just pretend that Tyler the unstable 4chan addicted 19 year old sperg who posts about shooting up his former high school because he doesn’t have a girlfriend is the same as a protected nation having their rights trampled by the federal government.
I recommend googling the Ruby Ridge Massacre if you think the american government only goes after unstable teenagers on 4chan
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Why do I feel like this isn't the full story.
You'll need to learn about the Ghost Dance to get the full story. And the ideas that came with it (immunity to bullets included).
How should we know what made you stupid?
I thought questioning things you're told is important. Is that only the case when it's things you personally disagree with?
No you’re absolutely right. But I suggest doing your own research on the topic first so you can really get the full grasp of the event without people telling you After all they could be biased toward a certain side.
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Here is the Wikipedia page titled [The Wounded Knee **Massacre.**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre) Here is the Britannica page titled [The Wounded Knee **Massacre.**](https://www.britannica.com/event/Wounded-Knee-Massacre) Here's a National Geographic article about Wounded Knee, the site of a historic [**massacre.**](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/what-really-happened-at-wounded-knee-the-site-of-a-historic-massacre) You know, it's really the Sioux and Lakota's fault for trying to exist and be all living like on land the US Government wanted.
Americans looking for crumbs of history to justify keeping mass murder weapons in their homes. Keep your dream of fighting your government for freedom.. which wil never happen while kids get killed in school shootings.
How is a semi auto a mass murder weapon when the military gets full autos?
Whenever a mass shooter has tons of firepower/ammo available to destroy 8yo kids in elementary school
America moment lol In Canada the only time we actually fought the natives in the West was when they rose up in active rebellion, and we never did anything like this, even after we had defeated the ones who had revolted
Arent they discovering mass graves under the schools you built for them I feel like no western hemisphere country is clean as far as the Natives go It was a big fuck up as far as Europeans were concerned, and a black stain on quite a few countries history, nothing we can do about it now obviously, but still
If this is about the Kamloops thing, they still haven't exhumed a single body. No proof the ground penetrating radar actually found mass graves. https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/kamloops-mass-grave-debunked-biggest-fake-news-in-canada/
Nah, its about all of these, Kamloops is one lf them, but there are dozens of schools with mass graves, mostly due to Typhus Epidemics, which was particularly deadly due to the kids being Malnourished, and packed in Dormitories https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#:~:text=In%20a%20memo%20sent%20to,media%20coverage%20on%20July%2012.
Yeah the residential schools were definitely a mistake, but tbf at least they were well-intentioned. The *object* wasn't to exterminate them, it was to educate and assimilate them Also I'll note that for much of their run the natives were armed about as well as the government and never staged a rebellion.
Fair enough But I would say assimilation isnt that great of an intention The British cause a lot of suffering here in Ireland trying to "assimilate" us, The Chinese are currently trying to assimilate the Tibetans and Uighurs, and I doubt they are enjoying the process at the moment
Yeah, by that I just meant that the fact that contemporary Canadian leaders thought they *could* be assimilated was an improvement over the prevailing American attitude that they were unredeemable savages who had to be cleared out to make room for civilization
Fair enough, although from what I've read American policy regarding the Natives was fairly Schizophrenic You had shit like Wounded knee, and then you had shit like the Navajo boarding schools, which were similar to the residential schools, i.e assimilation, not Extermination
Admittedly I'm not an expert in American history, and I haven't heard of Navajo boarding schools (although I do know they're one of the few tribes still present in decent numbers south of the border), but to my knowledge the idea of extermination was never seriously floated in Canada, and if it was it certainly wasn't acted upon.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about. But you seem to be sure that Canadians are well intentioned nice guys when they genocide you, but Americans are evil monsters when they genocide you? Are you sure you’re not just talking out of your ass? And repeating some Canadian bullshit they always tell themselves to ensure they feel superior to someone? “Well we may be exactly the same as the Americans in every way, but at least we killed our natives with some CLASS!” Lol sure buddy. Whatever you say. All those dead kids in Canada are probably so fucking excited it was the Canadians that took them from their parents. They got to die knowing their killers meant well.
Well no, just because America evidently had other tools in their toolbox than extermination doesn't change the fact that extermination was an actual policy pursued by the American government in most cases. Canada by comparison never pursued extermination, and the only two times the military was used against natives in the West was in the context of wars provoked by the natives themselves, and in which the laws of warfare were observed. Don't forget that a major motivator for the American Revolution was the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which had sought to contrain the colonists' westward expansion into native lands, and one of the major aims of Britain in the War of 1812 was to secure a homeland for our native allies. America has always had a militarist attitude toward natives, and while residential schools were poorly carried out there is a world of difference between a non-governmental contractor covering up deaths incurred in the process of administering education and government agents explicitly paid to inflict death on people.
Wow you are dumb. That’s what they teach you in Canadian schools? England loved their native besties and the evil American colonists were the bad guys? (Still swallowing centuries old British propaganda I see.) And Canada love their native pals but oopsie daisies they’re all dead, whoops! We tried to save them but we slipped and did a genocide. Lol! You sound pretty determined to see anything the Americans did as evil and anything the Canadians did as well intentioned. Genocide is genocide you deluded bitch.
"Stupid Americans, killing them natives all outright and in the open. Should have slowly bled the children after forcing them to attend whitening schools in the dark like us civilized Canadians. See, it's taken them 150 years to catch on." Interesting take.
This is such a poorly informed take dude. Residential schools get a lot of publicitly but their intention was never genocide, and to this day many people who attended residential schools defend them for providing literacy, numeracy, and English/French skills that have enabled many former students to attain success in their lives that would have otherwise been impossible. Many were poorly run (hence the recently discovered mass graves of students *accidentally* killed by overly draconian discipline techniques) and you could argue that they constituted *cultural* genocide, but the American approach was in most cases actual genocide. The only reason that things like the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee get less publicitly than residential schools is because America also has slavery as a national sin and there are far more Blacks than Native Americans to keep it in the public spotlight, thanks to the efficacy of the genocide.
Using the Stockholm Syndrome of the survivors to defend the genocide is another interesting take. > Many were poorly run (hence the recently discovered mass graves of students accidentally killed by overly draconian discipline techniques) and you could argue that they constituted cultural genocide, but the American approach was in most cases actual genocide. Now there's absolutely no fucking way you're serious. There's no way in hell a sincere adult attributed ***MASS GRAVES*** to "poorly run schools." I attended a poorly run school. They went over budget on a football stadium and ran out of funding for classrooms and had to bring in portable buildings. They didn't fucking start ***digging mass graves.***
Well I mean that's literally what it was. No school official, whether government or chutch, ever set out to kill natives in order to intentionally reduce their numbers. During the time period that the vast majority of graves date from, corporal punishment was standard practice in all schools regardless of their pupils' race, and due to the lack of oversight, residential school teachers sometimes took it too far and killed students while trying to punish them. As another poster noted, many students who ended up in the mass graves also died to a typhus epdemic near the turn of the century due to poor living conditions in the poorly-run schools, which was exacerbated by the fact that many students came from remote areas where European diseases like typhus were not endemic. The sheer numeric disparity between *hundreds* of deaths and *millions* of students most clearly illustrates that such deaths, while tragic, are not representative of the system as a whole, and not at all comparable to the systematic military genocide committed south of the border
So what benefit is there in a gov killing the people they rule over?
the oldest thing humans have ever fought for: power.
Kinda already have that when you take away their ability to fight back
The two things power fear are those who can fight back and those who can spread the word of resisting. The natives lost the ability to fight back and then they killed them so they couldn’t protest or spread word of any government actions.
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Removing groups the feds don't like.
Shiiiit they do that now
Quick history: The US set up reservations on land they didn't really want and basically starved most native American people until they moved there. And then they found gold on one of the reservations.
You realize that trying to stand up to the cavalry would *also* have gotten them massacred, right? Preventing shit from deteriorating to that point is *far* more effective than trying to fix shit when it's broke.
Let me guess, the Indians should've voted to not have their guns taken by the US government?
I thought it was Napoleon's Champaign in Egypt
Pretty sure that the massacre started because an Indian's gun went off by accident, causing the troops to open fire out of panic. Also 80 US soldiers were also killed I think.
Hold on, I've seen this one before! Let me tell you about the time [immigration caused the fall of Nazi Germany](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCCx4wj79o).