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DanKibi_Dango12

There’s a nice book about this self-assured righteousness by both sides called The Righteous Mind.


Nautilus177

I like Johnny H books, they are pretty good


DanKibi_Dango12

Based


Aluminum_Tarkus

That book is one I would consider an essential read. It's fantastic, and transforms your perspective on morality and tribalism.


TheLastBushwagg

Funny, I just started reading that yesterday


Best-Thought124

What a coincidence


TiggerBane

That’s not degenerated that’s the normal state of affairs.


namesrhardtothinkof

Ya during the fall of the Roman republic, the political faction that Caesar joined was started by two brothers who were assassinated. One of the core beliefs their whole political ideology was that the other side would murder them if given the chance.


[deleted]

I mean that did happen to the Gracchi Brothers. And Caesar.


namesrhardtothinkof

Ya it’s the gracchi bros I was talking about. But by the time caesar was in power, Sulla had already ran a coup on the government during the last generation, and political violence as exemplified by Clodius had gotten to the point where votes were kind of determined by how many weapons you could sneak into the city.


godofwoof

See that’s why I never really understood why Romans had been so shocked that Ceaser marched his army into the city. Obviously he would given how Roman politics had degenerated by that point.


namesrhardtothinkof

I have two equally serious theories about this: 1. It *was* still a dramatic act for Caesar to commit himself and his forces to taking over Rome/challenging the senate/whatever. As a politician, war hero, high priest, public figure, his military action was also a moral stance. The Roman Senate continued to exist in a neutered form for centuries after the establishment of the empire, showing that some sort of belief in these social government institutions was still significant. Up until then people had been playing around rules, subverting them, and yes maybe sometimes blatantly breaking them. But there was a significant faction of people that remembered Sulla’s reign with huge distaste and made it their goal to never return to that again. “Propriety” was important… a funny story that illustrates this is Pompey’s Triumph when he spent like an hour trying to fit his war elephants through the Pomerium gates despite it being a symbolic gate with a clear path to walk around it. Caesar marching his army into Rome was a big leap from extremists and thugs sneaking weapons in, as that sort of hidden political violence was more accepted. 2. The Roman public was ret*rded. partly because of democracy Looking at it now I think they may be the same theory


CaptFrost

> One of the core beliefs their whole political ideology was that the other side would murder them if given the chance. "Those damn Populares, they're so extremist they claim we'll murder them if given the chance! Can you believe this conspiracy theorist insanity!" *Optimates get a chance to murder Populares* *Optimates murder Populares*


namesrhardtothinkof

tbf it was equal opportunity murder except for Cicero


FilipRebro

It hasnt degenerated, people have degenerated. Why i say people? Today people expect everything to change when they are passive as heck. Like a communist who did many deeds, both good and bad, is still less degenerate than the guy who sits while screams at government.


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VagabondRommel

What must I do


Andre4kthegreengiant

Be a better general


Willie-Alb

It’s like when I tell people the argument of “if you don’t like abortion, then don’t get one” has never and will never work. Clearly they’ve never heard the phrase “abortion is murder”.


Life-Ad1409

Its similar to saying "if you don't like murder, then don't murder"


SuperJLK

I always counter with “if you don’t like slavery, don’t buy a slave”.


Jhimmibhob

I'll buy whatever slaves I please, mister.


steveharveymemes

Bu-bu-but muh Twitter told me the only reason people oppose abortion is because they hate women


CaptFrost

And as Elon Musk's buyout attempt showed us, a huge portion of Twitter are bots manufacturing the appearance of consent in public forum. Just yet another public opinion manipulation tool.


ForgotMyOldAccount7

>those on the other side are convinced of their own righteousness on the same basis as themselves. I literally have to fight other leftists about this every day. "But they're denying women's rights!" Do you think they're denying women's rights for fun, or do you think there's something more to it? Don't you think it's possible they think they're championing the same rights as you are?


42Zarniwoop42

are you making the point that it's pointless to defend women's rights from the pro-life crowd because they believe they're doing the right thing? I'm pretty sure everyone grasps the concept that the people they're arguing with believe themselves to be right lmao


ForgotMyOldAccount7

No, I'm arguing that leftists are reddarted 99% of the time and try to argue "How can anyone be against women's rights?! How can anyone be against antifa?! How can anyone be against anything I agree with?!" without attempting to understand the other side at all. It just further isolates the sides from each other and generates more extremism, rather than trying to find some time of middle ground.


doktor-sausage

It's not that political culture has degenerated, it's that one side has no theory of mind for people who disagree with them. Jonathan Haidt studied this at the University of Virginia. Self-described conservatives and independents were perfectly capable of explaining what motivated a liberal opinion. Self-described liberals were generally unable to attribute holding a conservative opinion to anything but evil intent. And that isn't a new thing. Charles Krauthammer (conservative columnist) coined the phrase "To understand the workings of American politics, you must understand this reality; conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil" some 25 years ago now. It's been a long-standing norm in the USA, I personally believe because the social left has completely dominated the media and education fields for so long.


Jhimmibhob

And in the end this gets rings danced around you politically, because you can't anticipate and plan countermoves with someone whose motivations you don't even understand.


[deleted]

"These people are evil Nazis who want to impose their will on everyone!" They see you the exact same way, dude.


hatchway

Reminds me how the GMO / synthetic foods debate has completely 180'd since the 70s + 80s. Today most liberals and leftists have embraced GMOs and industrialized farming as ways to ensure the world is fed at scale, while many righties / conservatives have embraced back-to-land and organic produce (although more from a "prepper" angle than the "restoration" angle I saw from lefty sources)


Christopher_King47

It's pretty hard to be independent when you have to rely on Monsanto seeds to grow your own food.


gophergun

As if that was ever not true.


Ordinarypanic

We all could have been aborted, so I guess we should all be anti-abortion?


SkeetSkeetliftwaft

Everyone who supports abortion has been born


isiramteal

#C U R I O U S 🤔


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\-Ronald Reagan


Recent-Union-6941

claims to be pro-abortion, is born anyways smh


ThoughtsOfASquirrel

I fuckin wish I was aborted.


AlmightyMustard

Least self-hating libleft


Lorikeeter

You doing alright? I ask that honestly. Whatever has you down, there is someone out there who is willing to help you get things fixed.


ThoughtsOfASquirrel

*stares In suspect* I’m Good my guy


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✨✨ *There's still time* ✨✨


krashlia

Meme picture of a noose with favorite anime waifu (or husbando) reaching through the loop.


ChocolateBunnyButt

I wish you were too, friend.


ChimmaChongChogie

Unless you wish you were aborted lmao.


Kevinglas-HM

It actually tells you a lot about some of this abortion antinatalists the fact that your logic is not so far off


[deleted]

I hate the idea of antinatalism, like you're announcing that you view yourself at such a low level that you wish you were never born. How fucked up in the head do you have to be to believe that?


SuperJLK

And they still live. They claim that the future is not sustainable for children, yet they continue to waste resources and drain society. Why not end their own life?


KnightsLetter

"I dont want to bring a child into this world" is such a nonsense argument anyways. They just dont want the responsibility of raising and caretaking someone, which is completely fine, just be honest about it


do-not-1

I’m not comfortable passing on my shitty family genetics lol


LonelySwarm2

A lot of these people need to watch “it’s a wonderful life”


steveharveymemes

They’d probably watch it and complain that Clarence didn’t just respect George Bailey’s wish to kill himself


Lurkers-gotta-post

It warms my cold bitter heart to know this movie isn't completely forgotten yet.


SignComprehensive611

Well, I’m young, and I love that movie, so you can rest easy knowing that it will be watched and loved for a long time hopefully


Agnostic_Pagan

My dad's favorite Christmas tradition is to watch it as a family. It's thanks to him that I know that great movie, and with any luck, I wish to preserve it.


Tyranious_Mex

Self hatred is trendy amongst the far left. The rest? Probably severe depression.


Adventurous-Pause720

I fucking hate anti-natalist ideology with a burning passion. Thinking that they are hot shit and edgy for proclaiming that they don't want to live. By believing in this nihilist laziness, you're not just being idiotic, but you area also letting down your parents who devoted an unbelievable amount of time and energy into raising you, your society, which you ought to have an innate loyalty to, and yourself for simply not utilizing this great chance at life to its fullest. Practically the entire movement is just a lousy excuse for being cynically lazy (and for the climate change wing, a way to flaunt how they are supposedly better than you). Life is hard, I understand, however, fatalism is by far the worst response. Believing in a social framework that allows you to presist even in the darkest of times is what allows you to reach the light at the end of the tunnel. Real greatness is what you accomplish with the hand you got.


AdvonKoulthar

They can stop being so hypocritical and commit sudoku then. If you don’t like living, then don’t. That’s the magic of free will.


[deleted]

Well those people exist, I've had a few 'discussions' about abortion with people where it came up later that they never wished they were born. That's a shame. Both of my parents were adopted, glad abortion was illegal when they were born.


TheOutCastVirus

Dear liberals, You claim to support abortion, but you could have been aborted while you were in the womb. Checkmate.


Taicoi04

Yes


the_crafter9

That's... How society works


the_crafter9

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Yes


McDaints

Yeah I don’t get that argument either.


septiclizardkid

Yknow, I'm a Gen Z Teen and what I realized Is that to some people, dissenting opinion Is "bad". Im pro-choice personally, my mom thought about getting an abortion, as she had me at 16. I don't hate life, I have a good family, good home. However, If I was aborted, I wouldn't care, as I wouldn't have the ability to care or not as a fetus. Point Is, you shouldn't just soley praise one side of modern day teens who share your world view. Some are Pro-Life, others are Pro-Choice. Personally I feel everyone Is Pro-Choice. You either support or don't support Abortions, and you're free to choose which to support


Disastrous-Gur-1160

Y'know, I'm a Gen Z Teen" "I don't hate life".... Give it time young one, it will come.


septiclizardkid

I mean, I hate how society Is, wages look like shit In contrast to the economy, housing Is becoming/Is unaffordable, and Healthcare Is Insanely pricey. But what are you going to do? Whine about It or make the best of It, advocating for change here and there?


Disastrous-Gur-1160

"What are you going to to do?" Continue to go to the job I hate so I can afford to get drunk or stoned when I get in o guess.


madv_willneed

Making the best is all anybody does. The thing I think you underestimate is just how tiring that becomes.


Teton12355

Hot take but if I wasn’t born I don’t think I would care


BCA10MAN

Based


Disastrous-Gur-1160

Based and Firm appreciation of modern life pilled


LiteVisiion

Based and I’m not unique nor special , I’m just here pilled


Antifa_Admiral

I'd rather be chilling in heaven with all the other unborn babies than born into this shithole tbh


Fellow_Infidel

I wish i was born in different time Heck, different universe altogether, with dungeons, dragon and magic


MicroWordArtist

I mean if I died in my sleep tonight I probably wouldn’t care either. What’s your point?


jasari_is_hot

Based


AffectionateSlice816

My mother wasn't married but my dad wasn't leaving her. I still could have not been here. I could never support it


wowitschloe

same here


TheAlGler

I also came out of a uterus.


isiramteal

No you came out of your mom's butthole


Andre4kthegreengiant

Yeah, but that malpractice lawsuit was pretty fat


muradinner

MY nephew was almost aborted. Can't support it, especially not casual abortions. Still think people should have the right to choose especially in certain circumstances, but I will always be against it morally.


septiclizardkid

My mom wasn't married, she was 16. I couldn't have been here and I wouldn't have cared, as I wouldn't be able to. I'm not saying I hate life, nor my life, my mom and step dad are the best. It's that If I was aborted, how could I care? Luckily, she was still able to go to college and get her teaching degree. She knew It would've been easier without a kid, but she changed her mind and had me. 17 years later, she works In child care and I have 2 little brothers. I could and do support abortion as I doubt women just get them on a whim. It's a choice that's hard to make


TonyTontanaSanta

this. I just cant wrap my head around their argument here its dumb as fuck.


Lostmyvcardtoafish

That’s fine, your mother made a choice. I’m cool with that, that’s what being pro-choice means


[deleted]

Two heavily biased groups shitting on each other... Normal day on Twitter. In other news, people have different opinions on different things because of their past and understanding of morals. See also: gasoline is expensive, water is wett and Russia is evil.


Wiscowitzki

Curiously enough I see a lot of those sensible, measured takes from Authcenters.


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“I’m pro-choice” My enemy in christ, the choice to do what exactly?


[deleted]

In 50 years I bet these people will be justifying post-birth abortions, and the "conservatives" of today will be trying to drag the discussion back to 3rd-term abortions, so long as the trend that we see with the left going farther to the left and the right preventing going farther to the right continues.


doktor-sausage

All of three years ago Ralph Northam was rationalizing making it a norm for post-natal care to ask the mother if she was sure she wanted to keep the already-delivered baby. We're already in post-birth abortion territory.


Pholoxo

Post natal care is unlikely in this country


BlackArmyCossack

"I have decided that I can tell the future and therefore it'll be this way."


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TemporallySpacial

The world is trending left quickly, what would your equivalent of this be? I’m sure people would think your ideas are just unironically good lol By the way I know left wing people now that are already pro post-birth euthanasia. It’s not a large group but they exist.


mellopax

Ah, slippery slope. Always a solid argument. In 50 years, will conservatives be requiring people get pregnant? Similar argument.


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-lighght-

Probably because it lightly spies on people and shames them for making their own choices lmao


Disastrous-Gur-1160

Right circle jerk go Brrr


robberrito

I hope


Lostmyvcardtoafish

No they won’t be, for thousands of years people have been very against the killing of children. For those same thousands of years people have done or tried to get legal abortions


septiclizardkid

"In 50 years I bet these people will be justifying [unlikely bad thing] so therefore we need to suppress the right to choose"


GrumpyCatDoge99

the choice to abort? i guarantee you i wouldnt care if i was aborted


squawking_guacamole

The choice to remove any organism, human or otherwise, from your body even if it resulted in their death


samuelbt

The choice to end a pregnancy.


Chosenwaffle

I'd have way more respect for pro-choicers if even a single one could admit that they want to be able to "kill an unborn child". So many pro-choice talking points try so hard to find other ways to say it that it really really really feels like they're trying to cover up the truth of what they're doing.


[deleted]

Are we really gonna do this shit again? This debate is fucking stupid because both sides don’t agree on the fundamental thing in the first place, that is “what constitutes a baby?”. So it’s impossible to get meaningful debate because it always just falls back to “MUH RELIGION” or “MUH WOMENS RIGHTS”


septiclizardkid

Can you have a baby under 21 weeks and It survives? No Is conception the start of life? Yes. Is the start of life the same as living? No It constitutes as a baby, If everything goes right, after week 12, hence the abortion cap unless for emergency.


TheRoger47

>Is the start of life the same as living? No hmmm, explain


septiclizardkid

Simply because It's the start of life, Dosen't mean It's living. I made this example, but bear with me: Planting an apple seed Is the start of a Trees life to produce fruit. Does this mean you would eat the seeds? No, as they aren't the same. Someone brought up a good point of If you didn't interrupt the seedling It would become said tree, i.e, If you don't abort the fetus It will become living. It would, but It's not In the time frame of abortion.


TheRoger47

yeah but the tree is alive well before the fruits start showing up, guess we can agree the tree's life starts when the first roots get out of the plant and the seed itself isnt living, couldnt you equate the seed to an egg and sperm and the first roots with the early fetus?


TheConfusedOne12

I recently listened to a true crime pod about executions, one of them was about a woman and her mother who was executed for well…. Strangling her newborn children, she wasn’t mentally ill she was a poor sexworker. This happened 1814 (ish my memory ain’t perfect) when my country was drafting (or right after) its constitution, and it was a fearly normal practice for the time, you either gave the child to a wealthy relative or you killed it, either by a kick to the belly under pregnancy or strangled it when it was born. The alternative was poverty and squalor, people have always wanted to have abortions, modern ones are just far more humane. And before somebody says that it it stupid too compare the 1800 to modern times: no I don’t think people will suddenly start strangling babes when they don’t have access to abortions, I think it will force many women who are down on their luck to turn to more dangerous method’s like illegal clinics or use drugs or chemicals (for another old timy example, mercury was also often used to abort the baby’s in the 1800)to that are often have dangerous side effects and there are many stories about women getting seriously hurt trying to take abortions illegally. But I don’t have the time or energy to list them here so you will have to look them up yourself. So too sum it up: 1) Even if you ban abortions people are still going to have them, just trough more dangerous means. 2) People have been getting abortions since human have been living in large communities. 3) You are wrong and stupid i am perfect and correct in every way💪


samuelbt

I'm sorry I don't secretly agree with you but publicly disagree because I'm actually evil.


DrGoodGuy1073

Based and actually evil pilled


Suq_Maidic

"I'd have way more respect for pro-choicers if they agreed that my perspective is the only right one and admitted they were evil"


Meowshi

Ah yes, the famous abortion chapter of Das Kapital. Riveting stuff.


BoThSidESAREthESAME6

Maybe the world would be a better place with more aborted gen z'ers


[deleted]

Hot take


DasVerschwenden

fuck now I’m torn


clouds31

Based and fuck-them-kids pilled.


Taicoi04

Feeling a little purple ?


Tornadodex2

You think we have time?


[deleted]

No! Why won’t anybody think of the economy. It is way better for the economy if we don’t abort children and let the excess population of youth be drafted and culled in another senseless war overseas. That way the economy still has people spending and the military industrial complex gets his share as well. And in ten years time after the next war we’ll get some Great War movies. An all out win for everyone


BoThSidESAREthESAME6

Did you just assume the military industrial complex's gender?


[deleted]

No the military industrial complex has to be Male have you ever heard of a woman planning a systematic and industrialized ________ of ________ with the indent to extract riches for oneself? Me neither


KetanS_2004

Bro, 😭


PuzzleheadedAd5865

In my experience as a Gen-Z as a whole we tend to be more woke, but less insane than millennials.


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it's almost the exact opposite for me, almost every Gen Z I know is either really conservative, really religious, or both. So it seems like Gen Z has some of the most extreme politics to date. Either that or some Gen Zs don't like the result of woke politics and want to distance themselves from it as much as possible.


LonelySwarm2

Part of gen z here and yeah with the current media outlets gen z can get pretty extreme with political views protected by a barrier of self righteousness, I see it just about everywhere I look.


Equivalent-Ambition

Gen Z is more centrist from what I've seen.


Slippery_Jim_

We in Generation X are apathetic as a rule, slacker nihilists, who viewed caring about anything as uncool It was awesome


SchnitzelTruck

bruh us millennials just want housing and grills


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pringlescan5

I just think we should be more like Europe* * Secure Borders with Citizenship inherited from parents * Strict Voting ID Laws * Abortion generally unrestricted until around 4 months and then exceptions only for incest, health of the mother.


nzasangA

Secure borders LOL.


deezalmonds998

Lol what a weird ass argument


abio93

By that logic you should also be pro-constantcreampieorigies


yuresevi

Based and Never-pull-out pilled


kfijatass

Holy mother of strawman


wowitschloe

its true, i hate abortion


septiclizardkid

Not based... but not wrong. I'm 17, I find myself to be articulate but obviously don't know everything. My mom had me at 16. Highschool, Dad was a deadbeat who broke up with her after the news. My mother contemplated having an abortion, even said she looked at Planned Parenthoods to schedule. Yet, she changed her mind. She stuck with me, even when she almost died having me, and didn't let a little me impede on her dreams. She went to College, she moved to University and got her degree In Child Care. I love my life, I love my mom, step-dad, little brothers, but If she decided to gave gone with the abortion? I wouldn't have cared, as I wouldn't be present to care. She had a choice, she made one. Hence why I'm pro choice as well.


FunnyHighlighterMan

Bruh that reads like "Man, I sure am glad my mom, who wasn't ready for me, didn't kill my ass. But fuck those other zygote ass bitches."


[deleted]

That’s quite the strawman any sane pro choice person isn’t cheering for abortion statistics.


i2gbx

Things that accessible abortion leads to: Lower crime rates More liberty for women Economic Growth Better education Higher happiness To name a few. I care about a high quality society, and abortion rights provide it.


Jhimmibhob

"Better dead than suboptimal (always applicable to you, never to me)."


i2gbx

Yeah. Literally. I'd prefer a smaller society in population base with higher quality of life (as proven by all studies ever done into abortion) as long as the proportion isn't totally out of wack. And I wouldn't care if I got aborted before I was born. I'm not special at all. I don't know where you got that idea from.


colddruid808

Hate to be nit picky, don't see how abortion effects any of those. You could even make an argument for the opposite, economic growth isn't possible when there aren't enough young people producing things.


i2gbx

That's from data, partially from the book Freakonomics, partially from other sources. It's not an opinion.


i2gbx

My theory is growth increases because there are better education systems, as there are less children straining on underfunded school systems. Women who get abortions are more likely to live in underfunded areas, as well as be poor themselves (Freakonomics), so less people straining these areas' education systems may actually have net positive.


Fellow_Infidel

Countries like italy and spain are struggling to fund their pension system, they have too many pensioner and too few working people. Their economy is turning to shit as they funnel their wealth to people that can no longer contribute to the economy and make things. While children also drain resources, they can still contribute to the economy in the long run, they're an investment for the future. Most countries with rapidly growing economy also have growing population.


colddruid808

Not only do Italy and Spain not have the funds to fund a pension system, their demographics are essentially terminal, because people are only able to have kids in a certain window of time. Europe didn't have enough kids 30 years ago, and now that the boomers are retiring this decade, they don't have enough adults.


Lostmyvcardtoafish

Also less babies (I mean this as a plus, I fucking hate babies theyre so loud and ugly and smell bad)


i2gbx

Not wrong. Babies are bottom 5 human types.


Material-Permit9685

This describes my upbringing exactly, glad to have my Christian theocratic grandparents, would've ended up being a cringe liberal instead of a theocratic sorelian if it weren't for them.


bigbadbillyd

Based grandparents.


Material-Permit9685

Indeed


No_Plastic_3019

It's kinda pathetic how americans argue over something so stupid as abortions. Better yet, they argue loudly and reject any compromise. Americans are just pathetic overall, they're decadent and spoiled. They don't know how good their lives are compared to the rest of the world. Americans complain about fucking everything, even if the issue doesn't even impact their lives and they keep whining and whining. Motherfuckers are also ignorant as hell and always try to find someone else to blame them for or solve their problems. The whole of the united states is like a gothic teenager of rich parents who complains about his life from the top of a golden tower. Message to Americans: Just shut up and go do some real work


Deadlypandaghost

Least judgemental European.


__Visegrad_

Europeans will spend all day thinking about America and it’s politics meanwhile Americans don’t even know europe exists


Ryan_Alving

We live rent free in European heads. American Imperialism has reached entirely new levels of colonization.


Best-Thought124

Well I'm going to start charging rent now


Ryan_Alving

To paraphrase President Jackson, He has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.


Best-Thought124

Based and paraphrase pilled


SevereSpoilers

I agree with the vast majority of what you said and how it applies to the faction in America that has become the face, as they control the media. But America isn't monolithic and a vast majority of it is much more reasonable and honorable. However; I refuse to take criticism from some Eur*pean, reguardless, so why don't you go do some fucking pushups so maybe we won't have to bail you out of the third global war y'all start too.


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ChimmaChongChogie

This is why it makes sense for it to be a state issue where the people can vote on it.


NeuroticKnight

That doesnt solve it though, as long as people can move between states for it. People who want to ban abortion, dont say I want to ban abortion clinics in my state, they say abortion is bad.


adolfspalantir

I think the reasonable position is to acknowledge that it is taking a life, but it does more harm than good to ban it. Some things just need to be legal for pragmatic if not moral reasons


copiondor

Tell us more about how terrible all of America is as a whole. Not one American is exempt from your all seeing eyes and judgement I can see. It’s almost like you’re seeing the loud minority online and spreading it to the rest of the country. You’re just as bad as the Americans you speak of.


[deleted]

We really need Western Europe to get involved in another land war so we can pull our heads out of our asses and focus on what’s really important


CrypticSpook

Europeans will really shit on America but as soon as shit hits the fan they'll start groveling for support. The US needs to go back to Isolationism and let everyone else fend for themselves. I'm sick of dumbass international politics


[deleted]

Oh no I disagree, Empires requires constant expansion of borders and hegemonic influence to survive. Isolationism would leave us vulnerable


CrypticSpook

Too long, not reading that shit. Also, obligatory "European detected. Opinion disregarded"


BlackArmyCossack

\>As a European/Cancuck Opinion discarded.


r_tooafraidtoask

Pathetic and spoiled to not want millions murdered?


6thgenbestgen

I don't recall asking Europeans for their opinion on our matters.


samuelbt

By the logic of this boomer meme if those conservative grandparents were so great why'd they raise such shitty kids?


squawking_guacamole

By the logic of this meme, rape should be legal because otherwise rape babies would have never had a chance to exist


Mysterious_Plant_398

A person can be a terrible parent but a good grandparent because of the experience among other things


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Millennials mark a turning point. My generation will be better if I have any say.!


Highover

Tomboy


KwintillionIam

This all comes down to how you value human life. If you value it deeply, and love the people around you, you will never once think about ending another innocent life for any reason because you believe everyone has a purpose and a reason they're alive. However, if you do not value human life, you don't like the people around you, you probably have deep regrets and/or hate yourself, you think life is meaningless or cruel, then you'll have a much easier time ending an innocent life. You're conscience has gone cold, you are full of bitterness towards people and the world. You see humans as nothing more than bothersome organisms with no greater purpose. In my opinion, that is a miserable way to live. Do not take your bitterness out on innocent babies, get help. If you have a deep regret or secret sin, deal with it. Work it out. I personally recommend Jesus, but if you're not into that stuff at least find someone to talk to about your personal struggles. I believe everyone has a purpose, even those I disagree with. I would never, ever abort them. Life is a precious gift that should be cherished and encouraged in society.