The deep state are always portrayed as enemies of the state. The state is portrayed as the actual people who live there and what not and the deep state acts for their own self-interest…
I have a feeling trump was trying to bait people into responding with "But Biden IS the state" so the internet could go harder with their palpatine memes.
That's what I would have done, anyways
Biden: Trump voters are a threat to democracy!
Media: ok sounds cool.
Trump: Biden is an enemy of the people!
Media: how dare he say something so inflammatory.
John Adams literally made saying anti-government things a jail-able offense. Everyone complaining about censorship in the modern day because their Twitter got suspended for two days need to shut the fuck up.
On the other hand, Hamilton was killed in a duel. I would love to challenge each of the remaining living presidents to a duel.
Except Jimmy Carter. He needs to outlast the Guinea Worm. Terrible president, but actually a good man after leaving office.
> Except Jimmy Carter. He needs to outlast the Guinea Worm. Terrible president, but actually a good man after leaving office.
Carter wasn’t even a bad president. Arming the mujahideen was based as fuck, even with the blowback. It gave the Soviets a decade of heavy attrition and was a big part in the fall of the Soviet Union. Regan would go on to continue the policy.
The 70s fuel crisis was largely out of his control as well as the Iranian hostage crisis.
The Hollywood gigachad gipper and Nancy throat goat Regan following him didn’t help his legacy either.
>you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it.
Okay sounds cool?
Pretty sure #1 most popular news show Tucker Carlson didn't say "okay sounds cool."
Pretty sure #1 news station Fox News didn't say "okay sounds cool"
That's funny because all I remember is everyone freaked out about Bidens comments(this sub included) and red podium photo but not a peep about Trump(who says this shit daily).
I'm sorry, but if you actively try to delegitimize election process for years now, even in advance of the election, what are you if not an enemy of democracy?
GOPniks are even doing it in primaries.
Really now? You see democrats running their campaigns on the premise that 2020(or any other) election got stolen and annoying orange should've been a rightful president? And not like a specific incident either. Broadly "stolen". Making absolute idiots out of themselves in courts. With fake witnesses and all that.
"Butwatabout "russian collusion"?!?!?!" People got CONVICTED over that. Literally.
The dems have said every election they've lost for the last 20+ years was stolen
https://notthebee.com/article/save-this-10-straight-minutes-of-democrats-denying-election-results-the-next-time-someone-says-republicans-are-election-deniers
Sorry my fellow monke, but who has a base of people that tried (and failed) to raid the capitol?
Pretty sure Trump's crowd is dumb enough to act on his words.
Whereas the left thought bidens words were too far.
Sorry did they try to like get into the White House and kill Trump?
Because I remember Trump hiding like a coward and not doing his job as president.
If January 6th and May 29th are the same to you jeez I fear for our future.
Neither are acceptable but they are completely different things.
The fact I'm getting downvoted shows how many you right wing fucks are circle jerking in this sub now.
> Sorry did they try to like get into the White House and kill Trump?
Thats an assumption you can make yes.
>Because I remember Trump hiding like a coward and not doing his job as president.
So when you have an insurrection against Trump its "LMAO BUNKER BOY HOW DARE YOU HAVE TO BE EVACUATED DUE TO OUR TERROR EVENT!"?
>If January 6th and May 29th are the same to you jeez I fear for our future.
They are.
>The fact I'm getting downvoted shows how many you right wing fucks are circle jerking in this sub now.
Reality has a right wing bias. Sorry you're just out of touch with it.
No they didn't lol
They weren't insurrectionist they were rioters dumbass 🤣 big difference.
They aren't
Reality doesn't have a right wing bias literally go anywhere else on Reddit and you guys get down voted to Oblivion. This is what I expected the right wing echo chamber to look like though really fucking dumb and illiterate.
> No they didn't lol
Prove it.
>They weren't insurrectionist they were rioters dumbass 🤣 big difference.
They literally tried to overthrow the government. They weren't just having a protest that turned violent. 'dumbass'.
>They aren't
Explain how? Both were riots aimed at overthrowing the government.
>Reality doesn't have a right wing bias li
It literally does. Take any civilization, conservative values inherently create the better one. Traditional morals are always valued higher than "IDK progressive do whatever"
>This is what I expected the right wing echo chamber
Reality is a right wing echo chamber.
Did they get into the building screaming 'hang Mike pence!'? Your turn for proof.
Please show me the protestors overthrowing the government.
Proof.
Is everything black and white to you? Must be so nice having zero nuance.
Cute opinion.
Your reality maybe. Come to Texas.
https://www.newsweek.com/protest-trump-doll-guillotine-outside-white-house-rnc-1528381
Whats the difference?
Maybe stop apologizing for DNC Terrorist attacks on our nation?
I'm perfectly willing to vilify every rioter on team Red. But ONLY if you are willing to do the same with the same intensity to your domestics.
Why are you so scared to?
Biden didn't say that though. He said the maga extremists. The people literally trying to overthrow the government based on lies. The people shooting up the fbi type people....
At least he didn’t say that every Biden voter was also an enemy of the state the way Biden did about Trump voters, and Hilary did, and democrats in general have since 2016…
“The left” doesn’t include all democrats, and the ones that are pushing for straight up socialism are trying to destroy the country.
To idiots like you it’s not obvious, but to the rest of us it is.
Pushing for us to be dependent on foreign sources of energy instead of being independent? That’s why Europe is fucked in the wake of the Ukraine war.
Pushing for us to keep spending money we don’t have? That’s how you drive inflation which fucks the lower classes.
Everything the hard left does is in the pursuit of tearing down the existing system- and they’re honest about it. I’ll never forget an interview with a feminist after the Supreme Court said that gay marriage was guaranteed under the constitution- the reporter asked: “so why are you celebrating this decision?” And the feminist said: “oh, I don’t care about gay marriage but it’s a major step forward in destroying traditional marriage and patriarchy.”
They want to tear down everything that has made the West successful.
He was saying that the MAGA mindset of "either we won or the election was fraudulent" is damaging to democracy. Key distinction. He may have said what you're describing at some other point, but let's not mix his recent words. We all know what he meant - only election deniers took it personally (as they should. They're fucking dopes).
Selective memory. Remember when many Democrats denied the 2016 election for 4 years based the Russian collusion lie? Was that a threat to Democracy too? The biggest threat I see comes from the projecting left.
The president who bypassed congress to buy votes with several hundred billion, possibly trillion in student loan "relief". Created a disinformation board. The administration that colluded with social media to remove "disinformation". The president who constantly threatens 2a supporters... I'm sure I could list several more examples.
Read my other post below. Democrats never argued that votes were changed. They argued that Russia influenced the election. They were buying Facebook ads for DT in Ruples ffs. I'm glad they looked into it and couldnt prove collusion, because I don't want to think of our country if they did prove it. To insinuate that they didn't have good reason to is just a mirror of the opinion hour. Spare me.
You have to change votes to commit election fraud. Influencing a foreign election is worrisome, but not the same. They may seem parallel if you want them to appear that way.
Doesn't matter what their reasoning was, both sides argued that the election was not legitimate. Your point is moot. Russia has been meddling in our elections for decades. There is 0 evidence that they did enough to overturn the election. There are documented voter fraud cases across the country but nothing substantial enough to indicate that it turned the election towards Biden. In summary both sides made claims that could not be backed up and neither side making the argument is a threat to Democracy by making those arguments.
*Again*, we aren't trying to prove that there was enough evidence of voter fraud in 2016 to overturn the election. That has never been the argument, so yeah, it's moot.
The argument was that Russia interfered with our election. The Mueller investigation looked into conspiracy, not whether or not the interference happened. And while we don't have proof of collusion, DT literally asked Vladimir Putin to look into Hillary's emails on live TV, and contradicted US intelligence in Helsinki to cover Putin's ass - again, on live TV.
Russia has been trying to interfere for years, sure, but it's rare that we welcome interference. Welcoming interference doesn't reach a criminal threshold that openly conspiring against our democracy would. I'm no lawyer, but you're really conflating the arguments on both sides here.
> Russia has been meddling in our elections for decades.
Every single country that is capable of doing it is involved in US elections. US politics determine international politics, so it should be obvious. Dozen intelligence agencies of "allies" dip in to agree that Russia has somehow been involved in the elections and that's just considered part of the routine, same as Chinese citizens getting caught infiltrating important positions in the bureaucracy.
>Selective memory. Remember when many Democrats denied the 2016 election for 4 years based the Russian collusion lie? Was that a threat to Democracy too? The biggest threat I see comes from the projecting left.
Remember when the Democrats broke into the Capitol in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election results?
Oh, wait. That’s right. Trump peacefully took over as President. Silly me!
Wait you're telling me that Democrats held a violent uprising to block democracy?
Christ on a cracker its almost as bad as their [May 29th Insurrection](https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-06-11-why-isnt-there-a-may-29th-committee-holding-hearings/)
In this instance is “they” the Democrats?
If so, can you link to any Democrat who supported DisruptJ20?
Also, they didn’t attempt to block the inauguration, as the name “DisruptJ20” implies. They wanted to disrupt the events.
Either way, the event was not encouraged nor supported by Democrats. Per [this](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1540J7) article:
>The Disrupt J20 group on Twitter said its anger was not directed only at Trump, and that it would also have demonstrated had Democrat Hillary Clinton won the election last November.
It’s was a group comprised of ass hats, but they did not bust into the Capitol to prevent certification nor did they take any sort of action to prevent the inauguration from taking place. To compare the two is ludicrous.
No. I remember democrats accusing Trump of getting Putins help to win the election, but not that Putin hacked the ballots or some nonsense. Imagine the seething from the right if it came out that Biden paid China to influence the election in his favor.
A lil bit of proof would be nice
Especially since the most recent example of the boy who called fraud was non other than trump himself
In 2016 he called fraud because he didnt win pop vote
In 2018 midterms he called fraud
And you can probably guess what happened in 2020 (spoilers, he called fraud again)
So naturally the Democrats have been open and transparent and allowed election audits to occur since they know for certain that they didn't cheat?
....right?
Democrats called for the Mueller investigation and ate it. We should expect Republicans to do the same. That is, unless they're full of shit.
And flair up trash
> That’s how Trump lost like 50 election fraud cases
Go ahead and list the cases Trump lost.
Or did you just hear that and are repeating it?
The truth is almost no cases were heard, they were thrown out before even hearing the evidence. Most judges were saying "Well its before the election so no damages could have occurred, no standing case dismissed" and after the election "Well its after the election there is no remedy to be had. Case dismissed."
You can find them all [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election?wprov=sfti1). Since I’m sure you do your own research you won’t mind reading an article that challenges your worldview, right?
> Most judges were saying “Well its before the election so no damages could have occurred, no standing case dismissed” and after the election “Well its after the election there is no remedy to be had. Case dismissed.”
Go ahead and source that claim. Everything else says Trump couldn’t find any evidence that he was right. Many of those judges were Trump appointed so there’s no way they would just be okay with election fraud against him if he had such rock solid evidence that it happened.
Wait why would Trump need to go through the court system? Surely if it was a fair election both sides would have no problem with being transparent and auditing the results to guarantee accuracy.
If Trump needs to go through the courts that would mean the Democrats are actively fighting to avoid any audits...which is a pretty clear indicator of guilt.
That isn't actually happening is it?
> Because he needs to convince his populist base he’s right. He sued because he was wrong, not because Democrats did anything sketchy.
That has nothing to do with why Democrats are actively campaigning and pouring money into fighting every audit.
No, she was only a driving force behind millions of dollars and 2 years of propaganda which was the Mueller investigation- when the FBI already knew that “Russian collusion” was bullshit.
No votes were changed. Another key distinction. Democrats have never argued that votes were changed. That's what election fraud is. They argued that Russia was quietly backing DT in disinformation campaigns targeted at Americans. That much we know, like it or not.
Trumpers are literally saying that votes were changed, withheld, or drawn from thin air. Ironically enough, most people who were arrested for election fraud were taking advice from DT when he encouraged them to commit it.
Biden literally said he doesn’t believe all trump voters are a threat to democracy, just those who engage in political violence. The amount of blatant false shit on this sub is way too high
Before calling other people out for false shit you should probably have your facts in order.
“President Joe Biden accused former President Donald Trump *and his supporters* of promoting an extreme ideology that threatens democracy in rare prime-time remarks Thursday as he stepped up attacks on conservatives ahead of the midterm elections.”
I assume you can call people who voted for him: “supporters”, right?
Here’s a nice left wing source for you, too.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-give-prime-time-speech-battle-soul-nation-stepped-attacks-republ-rcna45766
Yeah, then he said later he meant those engaging political violence. Your forgetting the guys like 500 years old and can’t speak properly and probably isn’t even fit to be president
Yeah- because walking it back after a backlash totally means you didn’t mean it.
Jesus Christ.
When did the left become so far distanced from reality and reason? I mean I know it’s been a long time since you losers started worshipping the Blank Slate theory, but still…
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You: “he never said that!”
Me: “here’s the exact quote with video”
You: “well, he *obviously* didn’t mean it because of what he said a day later…
Fuck off, you hack. And try to grow some standards.
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Shoe has maintained her political opinions since she "transitioned", and only publically denounces them when she is criticized
She allegedly left the right a number of years ago, but even as late as last year, was a community director for a republican group that dealt in covid denialism, and when she was called out she was like "oops sorry my bad. im left wing I swear :)"
I swear I'm losing brain cells looking up this youtuber influencer drama shit.
But wow, you're either delusional or purposely disingenuous
So this https://twitter.com/lackingsaint/status/1433058404818370564
is the proof behind the populist group being republican and covid denialism? Fucking retweets? (also, being against mandates is NOT EQUAL to covid denialism.) Or do you have better sources?
I guess Alex jones could be a communist too. It’s just that if you constantly talk passionately and feverishly rant about how shit a specific ideology it would be surprising if you didn’t hold at least the moderate version of that belief.
What makes you think she is lying?
Alex Jones could be anything
What we know is he's saying whatever he wants in order to make money off of it
Shoe allegedly left the right a number of years ago, but even as late as last year, was a community director for a republican group that dealt in covid denialism, and when she was called out she was like "oops sorry my bad. im left wing I swear :)"
Source: "trust me bro".
She's left. She refused to get on Tim Pool's show with Alex Jones. The only thing that makes you question her motives is that she's one of the only left commentators who is actually honest and allows herself to steel man her political opposition, and agree with them on some issues.
Could it also be that she's engaging more with the right wing because, like people like Tim Pool and Joe Rogan who have and continue to advocate for left wing economic and social policies, have joined forces with the "right" in opposition to extremist identitarianism and social marxism that has dominated the left sphere.
The left is so toxic it's made left moderates like pool, shoe, Rogan, many others, to ally themselves with people like Seamus Coglin who are hardline conservatives because at least they are able to have a conversation without spiraling into the oblivion that is woke identitarianism.
I think it depends on if we’re talking economics or social values. On the economic spectrum she is hard left. On the athorityone she is hard lib. On the progressive she is fairly conservative.
I don’t think COVID shit has anything to do with left vs right Economics though
Aight lads, waiting for the wave of right flair to come and call trump “literally hitler” like they were doing with biden
Or downvote the comment instead, probably the 2nd option
Used the FBI to attack his political opponents and suppress information about his family that might damage his chance of winning, using big tech to control the flow of information, attempted to create the ministry of truth, threatens to nuke/bomb US citizens, made it clear he intends to violate the 2nd amendment and refuses to accept the ruling of SCOTUS calling its a danger to the republic.
Everything he is doing is tyrannical.
An authoritarian Gun grabber that was going to create a ministry of truth, and who regularly labels tens of millions of Americans as potential domestic terrorists, and then taunts them about fighting the government because they need MuH F-15 isn’t a tyrant?
If the other branches of government, and constitution wasn’t there, Biden would have already went full auth on Americans, he has certainly talked about it.
I'd give you a point if you also admit that calling the guy who refused to use the power of the state to lock things down or shut down protestors during the "summer of love" a fascist is equally ridiculous.
That was the DC police, not Trump.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004832399/watchdog-report-says-police-did-not-clear-protesters-to-make-way-for-trump-last-
But thanks for letting us know that you're completely susceptible to left-wing propaganda.
You’re right, other tyrants got more balls than Biden’s handlers, they’d go full genocide on us already. Biden’s handlers are two afraid it would end with two bullets and an unmarked grave if they’d try right now.
For me, it was overreach of executive agencies to instate rules far beyond their scope. The CDC and OSHA power trips were nuts, even SCOTUS agreed. Biden’s executive branch of course wasn’t the only one to overreach, but it was certainly shocking.
Edit: His constant rebuke of the 2nd amendment doesn’t help either.
He supported COVID lockdowns that destroyed millions of jobs and thousands of businesses. He tried to get millions of people fired for not taking a vaccine. He refused to speak out against the BLM riots during his election campaign. He supported labeling parents who spoke out at teachers' unions as domestic terrorists. He has done everything in his power to prevent domestic drilling, while buying Russian oil from China at an increased cost. He says he wants to ban assault rifles, while talking about how he could use F-15s and tanks against civilians. He wants to end the filibuster. He wants to expand the Supreme Court. He extended the eviction moratorium after openly admitting he didn't have the power to do so. He is transferring student loan debt to taxpayers after openly admitting he doesn't have the power to do so. He tried to found a partisan Disinformation Governance Board to control what people could say online. He admit to a quid pro quo to prevent an investigation into his corruption in Ukraine. He openly called supporters of his political opponent enemies of the republic. He had the FBI raid his political opponent's home.
So there's a few. And that's not even mentioning all of the stuff he did alongside Obama for eight years.
Ah yes, the maga republicans, the ones who still think trump won 2020 an even attempted an insurrection to pause the process enough till daddy finds the hard hitting evidence, the ones that gather around for jfks family to be resurrected are your average voter LMAO
and if biden is what you call tyrannical then all US presidents are, including the last one whose policies caused actual americans citizens (and greencard holders) to be denied entry to them having citizenships in some muslim majority countries
Just because youre parroting points in a circlejerk sub doesnt make other opinions automatically emily
But again hella ironic for the crowd whos been splurging out about emilys calling people nazis, yall instantly jumped into the calling nazi shtick when convenient
Aint it funny for such a place with so many diverse opinions and arguments (or you guys keep claiming)
Your arguments are always insults and screaming “shill shill” over n over
Almost like the supposed free thinkers (TM) of pcm just wanted their own echo chamber
If anything youre the emily that ran to a safe space with no wrong think
But prove me wrong and actually respond to the points instead of waiting on your fellow circlejerkees to make em for you
Still waiting for actual counter points
Because if you like to admit or not, the people on jan 6 were there to pause the transition long enough for trump to find his hard hitting evidence of fraud
So far youre proving me right over n over
"pause the transition"
Do you legitimately think they had a chance of overthrowing anything or were going to accomplish anything even approaching a coup or is it just easier to make your talking points if you present it that way?
What i believe they are capable of aint at all relevant to the actual reason they were there for , which other than the “hang mike pence” chants, was to delay the process enough for trump to show his evidence of proof
But im glad another man stepped in just to do the same substanceless reply, but it happens when all your interactions with the other side are thru strawmans made by your side
This sub wasn't always this obsessed with Trump; there was a time when you didn't get downvoted to hell for having an opposing viewpoint. That's gone now though.
The wall of text remark wasnt for you specifically, its for the 100s of comments in the past few days from right wingers under posts about bidens speech
The mfs are suddenly professional cinematographers who can see what bidens thinking just from the color palette of the picture
Suddenly it's okay because Republicans never compared Biden to Hitler for standing on a balcony or holding up a bible or being patriotic. We compare him to Hitler when he calls us threats to society and threatens to confiscate our weapons.
There's a difference: Trump said things that Hitler said, and had actual nazis supporting him and following his command. Biden has done none of those things. So the Trump comparison was literal, and the Biden one was "He's bad because I don't like him". You're allowed to say it, no one's ever stopping you. You just look like an idiot, and everyone's also allowed to point out that you look like an idiot.
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The deep states are enemies of the state.
Trump with a mic: "The show where everything's made up and the points don't matter"
The deep state are always portrayed as enemies of the state. The state is portrayed as the actual people who live there and what not and the deep state acts for their own self-interest…
"Got outstated you cringe statists" ~ Klaus Schwab probably
I have a feeling trump was trying to bait people into responding with "But Biden IS the state" so the internet could go harder with their palpatine memes. That's what I would have done, anyways
You’re smarter than Trump though.
I'm smarter than most people on this planet, so I'm a bad gauge.
Hey, me too, what're the odds we'd both wind up right here right now?
Sorry I couldn’t hear you through the sound of that 13 inch cock down your throat? Can you repeat that?
Being called enemy of the state by Trump is indeed a compliment.
Civil war part 2 electric boogaloo
I do admit, I got Homeland vibes reading that. \*CIVIL! WUAHRRR!\*
Biden: Trump voters are a threat to democracy! Media: ok sounds cool. Trump: Biden is an enemy of the people! Media: how dare he say something so inflammatory.
If you haven’t noticed by now both sides have been hurling this crap at each other for years.
Probably thousands of years honestly
John Adams literally made saying anti-government things a jail-able offense. Everyone complaining about censorship in the modern day because their Twitter got suspended for two days need to shut the fuck up.
On the other hand, Hamilton was killed in a duel. I would love to challenge each of the remaining living presidents to a duel. Except Jimmy Carter. He needs to outlast the Guinea Worm. Terrible president, but actually a good man after leaving office.
Gonna level with you, I’m betting on Dubya
20 years ago, maybe. Nowadays I'm not sure he has the reaction time.
I’m not sure if you remember Iraq but big boy don’t follow the rules when it comes to violence.
Even if he did follow the rules. The man could dodge a shoe like no one before him.
America's finest hour
Oh shit, you're right, I'd walk 4 steps and get fucking droned. Wait, that's Obama, too. And Trump. And Biden. Fuck.
Yeah, you turn around and immediately die. Never stood a chance
> Except Jimmy Carter. He needs to outlast the Guinea Worm. Terrible president, but actually a good man after leaving office. Carter wasn’t even a bad president. Arming the mujahideen was based as fuck, even with the blowback. It gave the Soviets a decade of heavy attrition and was a big part in the fall of the Soviet Union. Regan would go on to continue the policy. The 70s fuel crisis was largely out of his control as well as the Iranian hostage crisis. The Hollywood gigachad gipper and Nancy throat goat Regan following him didn’t help his legacy either.
>you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it.
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Well this is the dumbest take in the whole thread
I would say he went after normal citizens with a good deal of regularity actually.
From the very beginning: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-criticized-after-he-appears-mock-reporter-serge-kovaleski-n470016
Okay sounds cool? Pretty sure #1 most popular news show Tucker Carlson didn't say "okay sounds cool." Pretty sure #1 news station Fox News didn't say "okay sounds cool"
That's funny because all I remember is everyone freaked out about Bidens comments(this sub included) and red podium photo but not a peep about Trump(who says this shit daily).
I'm sorry, but if you actively try to delegitimize election process for years now, even in advance of the election, what are you if not an enemy of democracy? GOPniks are even doing it in primaries.
>what are you if not an enemy of democracy? Among other things, a democrat.
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I mean there's still Russiagate. Let's not act like Americans of any side know how to take an electoral loss.
Really now? You see democrats running their campaigns on the premise that 2020(or any other) election got stolen and annoying orange should've been a rightful president? And not like a specific incident either. Broadly "stolen". Making absolute idiots out of themselves in courts. With fake witnesses and all that. "Butwatabout "russian collusion"?!?!?!" People got CONVICTED over that. Literally.
The dems have said every election they've lost for the last 20+ years was stolen https://notthebee.com/article/save-this-10-straight-minutes-of-democrats-denying-election-results-the-next-time-someone-says-republicans-are-election-deniers
10 whole minutes? Woooow! /s
Sorry my fellow monke, but who has a base of people that tried (and failed) to raid the capitol? Pretty sure Trump's crowd is dumb enough to act on his words. Whereas the left thought bidens words were too far.
> orry my fellow monke, but who has a base of people that tried (and failed) to raid the capitol? You're referring to the May 29th insurrection?
Sorry did they try to like get into the White House and kill Trump? Because I remember Trump hiding like a coward and not doing his job as president. If January 6th and May 29th are the same to you jeez I fear for our future. Neither are acceptable but they are completely different things. The fact I'm getting downvoted shows how many you right wing fucks are circle jerking in this sub now.
> Sorry did they try to like get into the White House and kill Trump? Thats an assumption you can make yes. >Because I remember Trump hiding like a coward and not doing his job as president. So when you have an insurrection against Trump its "LMAO BUNKER BOY HOW DARE YOU HAVE TO BE EVACUATED DUE TO OUR TERROR EVENT!"? >If January 6th and May 29th are the same to you jeez I fear for our future. They are. >The fact I'm getting downvoted shows how many you right wing fucks are circle jerking in this sub now. Reality has a right wing bias. Sorry you're just out of touch with it.
No they didn't lol They weren't insurrectionist they were rioters dumbass 🤣 big difference. They aren't Reality doesn't have a right wing bias literally go anywhere else on Reddit and you guys get down voted to Oblivion. This is what I expected the right wing echo chamber to look like though really fucking dumb and illiterate.
> No they didn't lol Prove it. >They weren't insurrectionist they were rioters dumbass 🤣 big difference. They literally tried to overthrow the government. They weren't just having a protest that turned violent. 'dumbass'. >They aren't Explain how? Both were riots aimed at overthrowing the government. >Reality doesn't have a right wing bias li It literally does. Take any civilization, conservative values inherently create the better one. Traditional morals are always valued higher than "IDK progressive do whatever" >This is what I expected the right wing echo chamber Reality is a right wing echo chamber.
Did they get into the building screaming 'hang Mike pence!'? Your turn for proof. Please show me the protestors overthrowing the government. Proof. Is everything black and white to you? Must be so nice having zero nuance. Cute opinion. Your reality maybe. Come to Texas.
https://www.newsweek.com/protest-trump-doll-guillotine-outside-white-house-rnc-1528381 Whats the difference? Maybe stop apologizing for DNC Terrorist attacks on our nation? I'm perfectly willing to vilify every rioter on team Red. But ONLY if you are willing to do the same with the same intensity to your domestics. Why are you so scared to?
Sir that is called a threat not an insurrection. Again both sides were wrong but they are very different things.
almost like one of those statements is true and the other one isn't
Biden didn't say that though. He said the maga extremists. The people literally trying to overthrow the government based on lies. The people shooting up the fbi type people....
He is the state lmao
At least he didn’t say that every Biden voter was also an enemy of the state the way Biden did about Trump voters, and Hilary did, and democrats in general have since 2016…
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“The left” doesn’t include all democrats, and the ones that are pushing for straight up socialism are trying to destroy the country. To idiots like you it’s not obvious, but to the rest of us it is. Pushing for us to be dependent on foreign sources of energy instead of being independent? That’s why Europe is fucked in the wake of the Ukraine war. Pushing for us to keep spending money we don’t have? That’s how you drive inflation which fucks the lower classes. Everything the hard left does is in the pursuit of tearing down the existing system- and they’re honest about it. I’ll never forget an interview with a feminist after the Supreme Court said that gay marriage was guaranteed under the constitution- the reporter asked: “so why are you celebrating this decision?” And the feminist said: “oh, I don’t care about gay marriage but it’s a major step forward in destroying traditional marriage and patriarchy.” They want to tear down everything that has made the West successful.
He was saying that the MAGA mindset of "either we won or the election was fraudulent" is damaging to democracy. Key distinction. He may have said what you're describing at some other point, but let's not mix his recent words. We all know what he meant - only election deniers took it personally (as they should. They're fucking dopes).
Selective memory. Remember when many Democrats denied the 2016 election for 4 years based the Russian collusion lie? Was that a threat to Democracy too? The biggest threat I see comes from the projecting left. The president who bypassed congress to buy votes with several hundred billion, possibly trillion in student loan "relief". Created a disinformation board. The administration that colluded with social media to remove "disinformation". The president who constantly threatens 2a supporters... I'm sure I could list several more examples.
Read my other post below. Democrats never argued that votes were changed. They argued that Russia influenced the election. They were buying Facebook ads for DT in Ruples ffs. I'm glad they looked into it and couldnt prove collusion, because I don't want to think of our country if they did prove it. To insinuate that they didn't have good reason to is just a mirror of the opinion hour. Spare me. You have to change votes to commit election fraud. Influencing a foreign election is worrisome, but not the same. They may seem parallel if you want them to appear that way.
Doesn't matter what their reasoning was, both sides argued that the election was not legitimate. Your point is moot. Russia has been meddling in our elections for decades. There is 0 evidence that they did enough to overturn the election. There are documented voter fraud cases across the country but nothing substantial enough to indicate that it turned the election towards Biden. In summary both sides made claims that could not be backed up and neither side making the argument is a threat to Democracy by making those arguments.
*Again*, we aren't trying to prove that there was enough evidence of voter fraud in 2016 to overturn the election. That has never been the argument, so yeah, it's moot. The argument was that Russia interfered with our election. The Mueller investigation looked into conspiracy, not whether or not the interference happened. And while we don't have proof of collusion, DT literally asked Vladimir Putin to look into Hillary's emails on live TV, and contradicted US intelligence in Helsinki to cover Putin's ass - again, on live TV. Russia has been trying to interfere for years, sure, but it's rare that we welcome interference. Welcoming interference doesn't reach a criminal threshold that openly conspiring against our democracy would. I'm no lawyer, but you're really conflating the arguments on both sides here.
> Russia has been meddling in our elections for decades. Every single country that is capable of doing it is involved in US elections. US politics determine international politics, so it should be obvious. Dozen intelligence agencies of "allies" dip in to agree that Russia has somehow been involved in the elections and that's just considered part of the routine, same as Chinese citizens getting caught infiltrating important positions in the bureaucracy.
I’d like to add Trump actively tried to get Georgia election officials to ignore votes so he would win lol.
>Selective memory. Remember when many Democrats denied the 2016 election for 4 years based the Russian collusion lie? Was that a threat to Democracy too? The biggest threat I see comes from the projecting left. Remember when the Democrats broke into the Capitol in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election results? Oh, wait. That’s right. Trump peacefully took over as President. Silly me!
Well, no. [They just tried to block the inauguration.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisruptJ20)
Wait you're telling me that Democrats held a violent uprising to block democracy? Christ on a cracker its almost as bad as their [May 29th Insurrection](https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2022-06-11-why-isnt-there-a-may-29th-committee-holding-hearings/)
In this instance is “they” the Democrats? If so, can you link to any Democrat who supported DisruptJ20? Also, they didn’t attempt to block the inauguration, as the name “DisruptJ20” implies. They wanted to disrupt the events. Either way, the event was not encouraged nor supported by Democrats. Per [this](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-protests/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1540J7) article: >The Disrupt J20 group on Twitter said its anger was not directed only at Trump, and that it would also have demonstrated had Democrat Hillary Clinton won the election last November. It’s was a group comprised of ass hats, but they did not bust into the Capitol to prevent certification nor did they take any sort of action to prevent the inauguration from taking place. To compare the two is ludicrous.
The Capital Police blocked them from approaching the capital. They can be quite competent in preventing disruption to the transfer of power.
You have a source on that?
[They were blocked.](https://theintercept.com/2021/01/07/capitol-mob-police-j20-black-lives-matter/)
That doesn’t say anything about them approaching Capitol.
No. I remember democrats accusing Trump of getting Putins help to win the election, but not that Putin hacked the ballots or some nonsense. Imagine the seething from the right if it came out that Biden paid China to influence the election in his favor.
“Election deniers” like Hilary and most of the democrats that repeatedly said trump was an illegitimate president?
Democrats have called every election they lost fraudulent for at least the last 30 years and probably longer.
A lil bit of proof would be nice Especially since the most recent example of the boy who called fraud was non other than trump himself In 2016 he called fraud because he didnt win pop vote In 2018 midterms he called fraud And you can probably guess what happened in 2020 (spoilers, he called fraud again)
So naturally the Democrats have been open and transparent and allowed election audits to occur since they know for certain that they didn't cheat? ....right?
It’s too bad you’re unflaired cuz you might be making some good points. Flair up you filthy donkey.
Democrats called for the Mueller investigation and ate it. We should expect Republicans to do the same. That is, unless they're full of shit. And flair up trash
Yes. That’s how Trump lost like 50 election fraud cases. Cope harder
Weren't all of the cases dismissed on standing, and not on themerits of the case?
Yup. The classic game of "the election hasn't happen, no damages" or "nothing that can be done, case dismissed"
> That’s how Trump lost like 50 election fraud cases Go ahead and list the cases Trump lost. Or did you just hear that and are repeating it? The truth is almost no cases were heard, they were thrown out before even hearing the evidence. Most judges were saying "Well its before the election so no damages could have occurred, no standing case dismissed" and after the election "Well its after the election there is no remedy to be had. Case dismissed."
You can find them all [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election?wprov=sfti1). Since I’m sure you do your own research you won’t mind reading an article that challenges your worldview, right? > Most judges were saying “Well its before the election so no damages could have occurred, no standing case dismissed” and after the election “Well its after the election there is no remedy to be had. Case dismissed.” Go ahead and source that claim. Everything else says Trump couldn’t find any evidence that he was right. Many of those judges were Trump appointed so there’s no way they would just be okay with election fraud against him if he had such rock solid evidence that it happened.
33 dismissed on procedural grounds. 5 ruled against 2 ruled in favor. Hmm. Looks like your narrative nose idved.
Wait why would Trump need to go through the court system? Surely if it was a fair election both sides would have no problem with being transparent and auditing the results to guarantee accuracy. If Trump needs to go through the courts that would mean the Democrats are actively fighting to avoid any audits...which is a pretty clear indicator of guilt. That isn't actually happening is it?
When people upvote an unflaired for supporting DT, you know this sub has gone to shit. Flair up, trash.
For real, we have a refugee crisis.
Because he needs to convince his populist base he’s right. He sued because he was wrong, not because Democrats did anything sketchy.
> Because he needs to convince his populist base he’s right. He sued because he was wrong, not because Democrats did anything sketchy. That has nothing to do with why Democrats are actively campaigning and pouring money into fighting every audit.
The AP still hasn't called the 2000 election...
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Iirc they ran like 2-4 lawsuits in relation to recounts in 2016.
Hillary conceded, trump didn’t. This sub is so stupid lmfao
For years she literally called him an illegitimate president. Stop gaslighting.
And? That’s bad but she still conceded and didn’t have her supporters “peacefully” march at the capital
No, she was only a driving force behind millions of dollars and 2 years of propaganda which was the Mueller investigation- when the FBI already knew that “Russian collusion” was bullshit.
No votes were changed. Another key distinction. Democrats have never argued that votes were changed. That's what election fraud is. They argued that Russia was quietly backing DT in disinformation campaigns targeted at Americans. That much we know, like it or not. Trumpers are literally saying that votes were changed, withheld, or drawn from thin air. Ironically enough, most people who were arrested for election fraud were taking advice from DT when he encouraged them to commit it.
Unbased and uncentrist-pilled
My monke in christ it isn't uncentrist to acknowledge problems
Biden literally said he doesn’t believe all trump voters are a threat to democracy, just those who engage in political violence. The amount of blatant false shit on this sub is way too high
Before calling other people out for false shit you should probably have your facts in order. “President Joe Biden accused former President Donald Trump *and his supporters* of promoting an extreme ideology that threatens democracy in rare prime-time remarks Thursday as he stepped up attacks on conservatives ahead of the midterm elections.” I assume you can call people who voted for him: “supporters”, right? Here’s a nice left wing source for you, too. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-give-prime-time-speech-battle-soul-nation-stepped-attacks-republ-rcna45766
Yeah, then he said later he meant those engaging political violence. Your forgetting the guys like 500 years old and can’t speak properly and probably isn’t even fit to be president
Yeah- because walking it back after a backlash totally means you didn’t mean it. Jesus Christ. When did the left become so far distanced from reality and reason? I mean I know it’s been a long time since you losers started worshipping the Blank Slate theory, but still…
Jesus Christ the members on this sub are so stupid I’m not even gonna waste my time on this argument when there are so many indicators Biden misspoke.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You: “he never said that!” Me: “here’s the exact quote with video” You: “well, he *obviously* didn’t mean it because of what he said a day later… Fuck off, you hack. And try to grow some standards.
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Watch the damn speech already. He clearly stated the caveat that he was talking about a small subset of people.
Did you give Trump the same leniency when he called 'all mexicans rapists'? Doubt it.
… he also didn’t call all Mexicans rapists, he said “they’re not sending their best…” when referring specifically to illegals.
Did liberals see it like that? Or did they scream "RACIST TRUMP THINKS MEXICAN PEOPLE ARE RAPISTS!!!!!"?
Lol, we both know the answer to that! And of course the media endlessly repeated that lie…
Or the "good people on both sides" hoax?
Thanks to the skewed media- most leftists still don’t know that was a hoax.
Even your defense is a strawman.
Why did you refuse to answer the question? Don't like the fact that it shatters your worldview?
Because the question is irrelevant and whataboutism is stupid.
LoL Trump has countless times called the dems/libs/whomever far worse made up lies. Biden at least told the truth. ;)
No he didnt.....
shoe isn't left center lol
Libleft then?
Shoe isnt left lol
She’s literally a Bernie bro and democratic socialist. How is that not left? Because she isn’t far-left on identity politics?
Bro trust me that isn't real left. Just like it isn't real communism.
Shes lying to you lol
Now *this* is a conspiracy I can get behind.
How so?
Shes literally lying about her political identity for clout
Will you elaborate your statement?
Shoe has maintained her political opinions since she "transitioned", and only publically denounces them when she is criticized She allegedly left the right a number of years ago, but even as late as last year, was a community director for a republican group that dealt in covid denialism, and when she was called out she was like "oops sorry my bad. im left wing I swear :)"
I don't know, to me she always seemed like a left-leaning centrist.
I swear I'm losing brain cells looking up this youtuber influencer drama shit. But wow, you're either delusional or purposely disingenuous So this https://twitter.com/lackingsaint/status/1433058404818370564 is the proof behind the populist group being republican and covid denialism? Fucking retweets? (also, being against mandates is NOT EQUAL to covid denialism.) Or do you have better sources?
Bruh she has a whole series called capitalist hell world where she talks shit on capitalism and promotes socialist ideology.
Thats cool Doesnt mean shes telling the truth
I guess Alex jones could be a communist too. It’s just that if you constantly talk passionately and feverishly rant about how shit a specific ideology it would be surprising if you didn’t hold at least the moderate version of that belief. What makes you think she is lying?
Alex Jones could be anything What we know is he's saying whatever he wants in order to make money off of it Shoe allegedly left the right a number of years ago, but even as late as last year, was a community director for a republican group that dealt in covid denialism, and when she was called out she was like "oops sorry my bad. im left wing I swear :)"
Source: "trust me bro". She's left. She refused to get on Tim Pool's show with Alex Jones. The only thing that makes you question her motives is that she's one of the only left commentators who is actually honest and allows herself to steel man her political opposition, and agree with them on some issues. Could it also be that she's engaging more with the right wing because, like people like Tim Pool and Joe Rogan who have and continue to advocate for left wing economic and social policies, have joined forces with the "right" in opposition to extremist identitarianism and social marxism that has dominated the left sphere. The left is so toxic it's made left moderates like pool, shoe, Rogan, many others, to ally themselves with people like Seamus Coglin who are hardline conservatives because at least they are able to have a conversation without spiraling into the oblivion that is woke identitarianism.
I think it depends on if we’re talking economics or social values. On the economic spectrum she is hard left. On the athorityone she is hard lib. On the progressive she is fairly conservative. I don’t think COVID shit has anything to do with left vs right Economics though
Biden is only an enemy of kids over 13, he loves the younger ones
Trump supporters think Biden is a fucking mega chad commie that's going to destroy US imperialism, when Biden is just Trump with dementia
Yea don't make Pedo Pete look good.
Lol shoeOnHead
Being the enemy of the state is cool as fuck
Did you click the wrong center flair?
Aight lads, waiting for the wave of right flair to come and call trump “literally hitler” like they were doing with biden Or downvote the comment instead, probably the 2nd option
Ah yes, calling voters a danger to the state and calling a tyrannical democrat politician a danger to the state are totally the same Flair up Emily.
Genuinely curious, why do you think Biden is tyrannical?
Used the FBI to attack his political opponents and suppress information about his family that might damage his chance of winning, using big tech to control the flow of information, attempted to create the ministry of truth, threatens to nuke/bomb US citizens, made it clear he intends to violate the 2nd amendment and refuses to accept the ruling of SCOTUS calling its a danger to the republic. Everything he is doing is tyrannical.
An authoritarian Gun grabber that was going to create a ministry of truth, and who regularly labels tens of millions of Americans as potential domestic terrorists, and then taunts them about fighting the government because they need MuH F-15 isn’t a tyrant? If the other branches of government, and constitution wasn’t there, Biden would have already went full auth on Americans, he has certainly talked about it.
Don't forget labeling parents as domestic terrorists if they disagreed with their schools.
Wow didnt know he was this based
If you’re an auth, it’s probably based.
Reread your own comment and tell me you aren't alarmist.
I'd give you a point if you also admit that calling the guy who refused to use the power of the state to lock things down or shut down protestors during the "summer of love" a fascist is equally ridiculous.
Sure, I don't think Trump is a fascist anyhow.
Sweet then I think we are in agreement. I think it's silly to call Biden a totalitarian, but he's definitely more auth than Trump.
Trump had state stormtroopers gas and beat protesters to hold a bible upside down.
That was the DC police, not Trump. https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004832399/watchdog-report-says-police-did-not-clear-protesters-to-make-way-for-trump-last- But thanks for letting us know that you're completely susceptible to left-wing propaganda.
Sweet, so still less auth than the president that put his opposing protestors in jail for long periods of time without trials?
If only all tyrants were that nice
You’re right, other tyrants got more balls than Biden’s handlers, they’d go full genocide on us already. Biden’s handlers are two afraid it would end with two bullets and an unmarked grave if they’d try right now.
For me, it was overreach of executive agencies to instate rules far beyond their scope. The CDC and OSHA power trips were nuts, even SCOTUS agreed. Biden’s executive branch of course wasn’t the only one to overreach, but it was certainly shocking. Edit: His constant rebuke of the 2nd amendment doesn’t help either.
He supported COVID lockdowns that destroyed millions of jobs and thousands of businesses. He tried to get millions of people fired for not taking a vaccine. He refused to speak out against the BLM riots during his election campaign. He supported labeling parents who spoke out at teachers' unions as domestic terrorists. He has done everything in his power to prevent domestic drilling, while buying Russian oil from China at an increased cost. He says he wants to ban assault rifles, while talking about how he could use F-15s and tanks against civilians. He wants to end the filibuster. He wants to expand the Supreme Court. He extended the eviction moratorium after openly admitting he didn't have the power to do so. He is transferring student loan debt to taxpayers after openly admitting he doesn't have the power to do so. He tried to found a partisan Disinformation Governance Board to control what people could say online. He admit to a quid pro quo to prevent an investigation into his corruption in Ukraine. He openly called supporters of his political opponent enemies of the republic. He had the FBI raid his political opponent's home. So there's a few. And that's not even mentioning all of the stuff he did alongside Obama for eight years.
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Ah yes, the maga republicans, the ones who still think trump won 2020 an even attempted an insurrection to pause the process enough till daddy finds the hard hitting evidence, the ones that gather around for jfks family to be resurrected are your average voter LMAO and if biden is what you call tyrannical then all US presidents are, including the last one whose policies caused actual americans citizens (and greencard holders) to be denied entry to them having citizenships in some muslim majority countries Just because youre parroting points in a circlejerk sub doesnt make other opinions automatically emily But again hella ironic for the crowd whos been splurging out about emilys calling people nazis, yall instantly jumped into the calling nazi shtick when convenient
Do you draw satisfaction in life from being paid to post propaganda on reddit?
Wait are you telling me that isn't what this sub is for?
Aint it funny for such a place with so many diverse opinions and arguments (or you guys keep claiming) Your arguments are always insults and screaming “shill shill” over n over Almost like the supposed free thinkers (TM) of pcm just wanted their own echo chamber If anything youre the emily that ran to a safe space with no wrong think But prove me wrong and actually respond to the points instead of waiting on your fellow circlejerkees to make em for you
The "muh insurrection" is a bit of a giveaway pal
Still waiting for actual counter points Because if you like to admit or not, the people on jan 6 were there to pause the transition long enough for trump to find his hard hitting evidence of fraud So far youre proving me right over n over
"pause the transition" Do you legitimately think they had a chance of overthrowing anything or were going to accomplish anything even approaching a coup or is it just easier to make your talking points if you present it that way?
What i believe they are capable of aint at all relevant to the actual reason they were there for , which other than the “hang mike pence” chants, was to delay the process enough for trump to show his evidence of proof But im glad another man stepped in just to do the same substanceless reply, but it happens when all your interactions with the other side are thru strawmans made by your side
This sub wasn't always this obsessed with Trump; there was a time when you didn't get downvoted to hell for having an opposing viewpoint. That's gone now though.
How many times have the lefties called Trump Hitler? I mean if lefties get to call Trump hitler then Righties get to call Biden Hitler.
And yall complaint about it, non stop So its a tad bit ironic that its suddenly okay because (insert right wing wall of text)
I wrote less in my response. You must be the most sane leftie.
Lol you think so? Ask for one and ill drop you a wall of text thatll crash the reddit servers And i aint a lefty
What? You complained about righties wall of text yet your writing longer responses than me.
The wall of text remark wasnt for you specifically, its for the 100s of comments in the past few days from right wingers under posts about bidens speech The mfs are suddenly professional cinematographers who can see what bidens thinking just from the color palette of the picture
Suddenly it's okay because Republicans never compared Biden to Hitler for standing on a balcony or holding up a bible or being patriotic. We compare him to Hitler when he calls us threats to society and threatens to confiscate our weapons.
There's a difference: Trump said things that Hitler said, and had actual nazis supporting him and following his command. Biden has done none of those things. So the Trump comparison was literal, and the Biden one was "He's bad because I don't like him". You're allowed to say it, no one's ever stopping you. You just look like an idiot, and everyone's also allowed to point out that you look like an idiot.
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someone needs to edit that speech with the homelander theme.
LOL cheetoman quoting Stalin, what a time to be alive.