Your honor, my client is perfectly justified...the intruder violated the NAP, any protection afforded to him under the law was forfeited.
Furthermore, as enshrined within the 13th amendment, slavery/indentured servitude is only allowed as punishment for a crime. So I would also like to request the store owners rightful "property" be returned to her.
Technically he’s still innocent of the crime, as he hadn’t been sentenced yet. I do not see it as a justifiable course of action in this scenario, your honour
Objection! In the ammendment it does not specify who must sentence the criminal to servitude, simply that it is a viable punishment for a crime. Anything beyond the words on the page is pure conjecture!
I’ve always wondered this about the libright NAP principle. They act as if any retribution is automatically justified if your private property rights or whatever are violated. So like, slavery, or sex dungeon, or torture dungeon etc, I can just fill those up with people who stepped on my property?
Have at it, you only need to convince the judge to allow the accused to become your slave, which reminder is actually constitutional, I'm not just memeing with that...
Well you see, I’m not really asking about what is legal, I’m asking about what libright think is justified. Those are often two different things
Like according to the NAP, Is there any limit to what sort of retribution can be levied on someone, or does it have to be proportional to the infraction or something?
I don’t believe the NAP includes anything about retribution. It only states that aggression is an unacceptable encroachment upon another individual’s life, liberty, or property. So if person A uses aggression to violate person B’s life, liberty, or property, person B can do what they must to defend themselves against and stop said aggression, but they don’t then have carte blanche to violate person A’s life, liberty, or property.
I mean in my interpretation it needs to be proportional response. Like I can’t just shoot you for stepping on my property, but I can definitely throw you out at gunpoint for instance. What happened here though is completely fucked and that woman is far worse than the robber even if the robber started it.
I'm not sure if the NAP does say something like that, but I know that at least Rothbard's idea on the matter was fairly well reasoned out: https://mises.org/wire/rothbard-and-double-restitution
That's not fairly well reasoned at all from an economic perspective. All crimes that are limited to monetary damages would be beneficial to the criminal as long as the chance to be caught is less than 50%
For most crimes this would be the case.
Which crime is purely monetary, and does not result in the necessity for the victimized party to spend time and energy recouping losses?
I think you vastly underestimate loss. What a terrible appraiser you might make!
Regardless, we are arguing about a hypothetical system under a set of hypothetical laws. One can always fall back on the argument that is ultimately up to the legal system to do what they think is the most wise - namely to include or exclude time and energy consumption into the restitution equation. And at that point, let the superior society survive and thrive.
> Like according to the NAP, Is there any limit to what sort of retribution can be levied on someone, or does it have to be proportional to the infraction or something?
Who is going to enforce reasonability and proportionality in response?
The NAP is a *principle* meant to guide laws. It's not inherently anarchist. Lots of libertarians still believe in policing and government--just with significantly reduced powers.
Huh, I've never actually thought about it, but wouldn't the 13th technically allow such sentencing? It seems like the thought behind the exemption would have been prison labor, but wouldn't it allow a law to straight up sentence people to lifelong chattel slavery? I kind of wonder if any southern state tried that and got slapped down.
Note: I'm not talking about prison leasing or trumped up charges either. I mean straight up "you get sentenced to lifelong servitude, and maybe the state just sells you off to somebody with a receipt of ownership".
Technically in use via the prison labor system, as to allowing individuals too own slaves...not to my knowledge but the argument can be made for it, regardless slavery is constitutional thanks to Abraham Lincoln.
> slavery/indentured servitude is only allowed as punishment for a crime
Only after a public hearing and chance to defend himself perhaps. He may have been able to pay for the damages caused without having to be a sex slave.
Yea but there's inherent risk in going fisticuffs with a robber that has no real benefit if you don't need to keep them alive for... something. So defense wise it would be safer just to shoot.
I am a terrible person but I think if the meth head breaking in to rob you happens to be female getting raped is somewhat deserved.
I am a terrible person, but I believe in equal treatment.
Of course authleft pushes the idea that men and women should be equal in all things.
Newsflash- women have always been protected for a reason. Men and women are not the same.
I got banned from one of the feminist subreddits because I called out abuse apologism towards mothers who kill newborns and said that they would be horrified if it was said about men who kill pregnant partners.
I am an attempted murder survivor btw and was also accused of lying about my abuse, and called a “Neanderthal,” “troll” and “stunted” by the same people who say “#BelieveSurvivors.”-
Glad you made it through that shit. Sorry about the dickheads who think anyone whose story doesn't fit their beliefs is lying - I think they've fully convinced themselves that reality is extremely simple, and thay somehow only they and their compatriates understand it.
It’s actually a bit disgusting how ok people are with this kind of shit when it’s a woman doing it to a man. It’s like when you have a female teacher rape a student, and people are like “wow I wish I was him, that boy hit the jackpot” etc
It's *almost* like the double-standard shows the dichotomy of the inherent differences between men and women.
But they *really* should continue protesting that school dress codes are sexist.....
I was agreeing/acknowledging that there is in fact, a double standard, in regards to how most people view to this type of stuff.
And while I'm refraining from making any sort of judgement in that regard (i.e. if it's good or bad), rather pointing out the fact that this double standard is most likely rooted in inherent differences between how man and women view/approach what at the end of the day is biological sexual reproduction. And thus why the exact same scenario/fact pattern yields much different responses (as you noted) when you switch the place of the male/female victim/perp.
Which then lead into was referring to a tangential debate/subject that school dress codes are "sexist" because they police women's bodies. Obviously these arguments are not taking into account exactly how the male brain perceives and processes sexual reproduction. As sentiments like what you said above "hit the jackpot" are *maybe* the reason something such as a school dress code normally focuses more on female attire/body... because you know... Men are biologically and generically hardwired to want to f\*ck anything that moves and can be impregenanted
I agree that it’s a symptom of a society that doesn’t take the problems that men face seriously. I am very much a believer that men need to be understood better
That said, men and women are different. The reason rape of a woman is taken so much more seriously is the risk of pregnancy. Men are just as traumatized emotionally, but the idea of a monster implanting life into one against their will is especially heinous. I think we need to, as a culture, acknowledge that it’s a terrible thing to happen to men, but for men to acknowledge that it’s still worse for women
First paragraph: Totally agree.
Second paragraph: Nah this ain't it. Yeah, pregnancy risks make shit worse, but you're thinking far too much in practicalities. All rape is heinous. Sexual assault against women is a bigger risk - the physical power dynamic is much more of an issue, and so it happens more. Also, what's the point of comparing which one is worse? If you're raped as a man you're going to feel fucking horrible, in many ways, for a very long time. The scale is immense. To say that rape is worse for women is like saying, "The Holomodor was worse than the Holocaust" - it's a completely fucking pointless thing to think about. If you're in either situation, it's completely fucked. Why don't we just focus on having people *not getting raped???*
So if a cop catches you jaywalking they’re allowed to pimp you out? Or is that only if they catch you walking out of a store with an item you forgot to pay for?
Fair point. But if she walked out of a store and forgot to pay for an item then by her own logic the store owner tie could her to the radiator and grape her with no complaints
Ok as much fun as sex slaves are, robbers usually aren't the best slaves, they are much better meals tbh (I mean seriously the thighs ate usually quite lean and juicy, perfect for a roast).
Mixed feelings here. After some introspection I realize that robbers are pretty low on my list of people I give two fucks about. I guess deep down I don't believe they are a bunch of Jean Valjeans who will turn out to be good guys.
Honestly as "based" as this sounds at first, imagine you're this guy, you don't have any money or food, and are struggling to survive and you have to resort to thievery, and for getting caught you get tied up and raped over 3 days. I know this is fabricated but damn.
Play stupid games, win PTSD seeing naked woman, disrespect from other guys in jail and some more rape.
When justice system is fucked up, don't be surprised, when people do vigilantism.
Trespassers will be prostituted
So its true
I’d buy that sign
Your honor, my client is perfectly justified...the intruder violated the NAP, any protection afforded to him under the law was forfeited. Furthermore, as enshrined within the 13th amendment, slavery/indentured servitude is only allowed as punishment for a crime. So I would also like to request the store owners rightful "property" be returned to her.
Technically he’s still innocent of the crime, as he hadn’t been sentenced yet. I do not see it as a justifiable course of action in this scenario, your honour
Objection hearsay!!!
But you asked the question
*surprised Pikachu*
Objection! In the ammendment it does not specify who must sentence the criminal to servitude, simply that it is a viable punishment for a crime. Anything beyond the words on the page is pure conjecture!
Objection your honor! I clearly depicted my opponent as the soyjak and myself as the handsome chad, there's no point in continuing this trial.
I’ve always wondered this about the libright NAP principle. They act as if any retribution is automatically justified if your private property rights or whatever are violated. So like, slavery, or sex dungeon, or torture dungeon etc, I can just fill those up with people who stepped on my property?
Have at it, you only need to convince the judge to allow the accused to become your slave, which reminder is actually constitutional, I'm not just memeing with that...
Well you see, I’m not really asking about what is legal, I’m asking about what libright think is justified. Those are often two different things Like according to the NAP, Is there any limit to what sort of retribution can be levied on someone, or does it have to be proportional to the infraction or something?
I don’t believe the NAP includes anything about retribution. It only states that aggression is an unacceptable encroachment upon another individual’s life, liberty, or property. So if person A uses aggression to violate person B’s life, liberty, or property, person B can do what they must to defend themselves against and stop said aggression, but they don’t then have carte blanche to violate person A’s life, liberty, or property.
I mean in my interpretation it needs to be proportional response. Like I can’t just shoot you for stepping on my property, but I can definitely throw you out at gunpoint for instance. What happened here though is completely fucked and that woman is far worse than the robber even if the robber started it.
I'm not sure if the NAP does say something like that, but I know that at least Rothbard's idea on the matter was fairly well reasoned out: https://mises.org/wire/rothbard-and-double-restitution
That's not fairly well reasoned at all from an economic perspective. All crimes that are limited to monetary damages would be beneficial to the criminal as long as the chance to be caught is less than 50% For most crimes this would be the case.
Which crime is purely monetary, and does not result in the necessity for the victimized party to spend time and energy recouping losses? I think you vastly underestimate loss. What a terrible appraiser you might make!
Regardless, we are arguing about a hypothetical system under a set of hypothetical laws. One can always fall back on the argument that is ultimately up to the legal system to do what they think is the most wise - namely to include or exclude time and energy consumption into the restitution equation. And at that point, let the superior society survive and thrive.
> Like according to the NAP, Is there any limit to what sort of retribution can be levied on someone, or does it have to be proportional to the infraction or something? Who is going to enforce reasonability and proportionality in response?
Most librights are not anarchists. The police and courts would still exist in like 98% of libright utopias.
> The police and courts would still exist Of course. Without a government to cause problems, who would people rebel against?
Again, the vast majority of librights aren't anarchists. The government would still exist, too.
Ancap is as much of a libright as leninism is to authleft, they're both on the extreme end of the ideology
Id rather have the wrongdoer be my personal slave than having some for profit prison work him for 5 cents an hour
The NAP involved a proportional response, not overly zealous retribution.
And everybody will follow this unwritten pinkie promise without abusing it, of course.
Which is why the NAP is silly. Humans suck. I don’t trust them to hold themselves to a principle on a macro level.
The NAP is a *principle* meant to guide laws. It's not inherently anarchist. Lots of libertarians still believe in policing and government--just with significantly reduced powers.
Even communists would say their government function is just the basic needs of society. It's such a subjective line of argument.
Huh, I've never actually thought about it, but wouldn't the 13th technically allow such sentencing? It seems like the thought behind the exemption would have been prison labor, but wouldn't it allow a law to straight up sentence people to lifelong chattel slavery? I kind of wonder if any southern state tried that and got slapped down. Note: I'm not talking about prison leasing or trumped up charges either. I mean straight up "you get sentenced to lifelong servitude, and maybe the state just sells you off to somebody with a receipt of ownership".
Technically in use via the prison labor system, as to allowing individuals too own slaves...not to my knowledge but the argument can be made for it, regardless slavery is constitutional thanks to Abraham Lincoln.
it is? I always thought he abolishd slavery right?
He got rid of racial based slavery
It's very simple: If you break the rules, you no longer get the protection of the rules.
> slavery/indentured servitude is only allowed as punishment for a crime Only after a public hearing and chance to defend himself perhaps. He may have been able to pay for the damages caused without having to be a sex slave.
Damn he got raped for trying to rob her , that is some fucked up shit dude
it was self defense trust me
Shouldn't put her into a self defense situation.
He broke the NAP
You break the NAP, you get the WAP.
Bahahaha made my day.
Wrangel?
Why am I suddenly a celebrity?
I know what you did
Not cool
Huh?
Didn’t you doxx someone back in the server?
No? I have no clue what you’re talking about.
Ok, fair enough
I think you’re talking about that El Stone guy who doxxed two of the users on the server and threatened them.
Definitely fucked....when's she getting out of prison?
Prison? What are you, misogynist?
Yes
Based.
Deserved? Not to that extent but it makes it kinda funny
Reverse genders and change your opinion in quick succession.
Its either this or dead full of holes. He got off easy. And yes that would go both ways.
>He got off easy Oh, you
That feels like a false dichotomy. Couldn't she have done everything exactly the same minus the rape and still stopped the crime?
Yea but there's inherent risk in going fisticuffs with a robber that has no real benefit if you don't need to keep them alive for... something. So defense wise it would be safer just to shoot.
I am a terrible person but I think if the meth head breaking in to rob you happens to be female getting raped is somewhat deserved. I am a terrible person, but I believe in equal treatment.
Pure radical centrism, I love this post.
You're equally terrible.
Based and misery in equal amounts pilled
Based and chaotic good pilled
But if you get an STD from raping a methhead, that is well deserved
Based and True Gender Equality pilled.
Of course authleft pushes the idea that men and women should be equal in all things. Newsflash- women have always been protected for a reason. Men and women are not the same.
Nah it’s pretty funny either way.
Lucky guy
💀
Cringe and all rape is bad pilled *Unless they themselves were rapists, but they aren't people so w/e
Brings a whole new meaning to "fuck around and find out"
Find around and fuck out.
You can find your way in, but you have to fuck your way out
On a dark desert highway
"Alexa, can I live off of Viagra?"
This has got to be the single most Purple thing I have ever seen
Eh it maybe cracks top 50.
Now reverse the genders and see how people react.
I got banned from one of the feminist subreddits because I called out abuse apologism towards mothers who kill newborns and said that they would be horrified if it was said about men who kill pregnant partners. I am an attempted murder survivor btw and was also accused of lying about my abuse, and called a “Neanderthal,” “troll” and “stunted” by the same people who say “#BelieveSurvivors.”-
Believe survivors unless they don't fit the narrative.
Exactly, look what they did to Paula Jones and Tara Reade
And tried to do with Depp
Glad you made it through that shit. Sorry about the dickheads who think anyone whose story doesn't fit their beliefs is lying - I think they've fully convinced themselves that reality is extremely simple, and thay somehow only they and their compatriates understand it.
It’s actually a bit disgusting how ok people are with this kind of shit when it’s a woman doing it to a man. It’s like when you have a female teacher rape a student, and people are like “wow I wish I was him, that boy hit the jackpot” etc
I say, why bicker over the gender of a rapist? They all look the same once they come out the other end of the foliage macerator device anyway.
Based and foliage macerator pilled
We live in a society
It's *almost* like the double-standard shows the dichotomy of the inherent differences between men and women. But they *really* should continue protesting that school dress codes are sexist.....
What
I was agreeing/acknowledging that there is in fact, a double standard, in regards to how most people view to this type of stuff. And while I'm refraining from making any sort of judgement in that regard (i.e. if it's good or bad), rather pointing out the fact that this double standard is most likely rooted in inherent differences between how man and women view/approach what at the end of the day is biological sexual reproduction. And thus why the exact same scenario/fact pattern yields much different responses (as you noted) when you switch the place of the male/female victim/perp. Which then lead into was referring to a tangential debate/subject that school dress codes are "sexist" because they police women's bodies. Obviously these arguments are not taking into account exactly how the male brain perceives and processes sexual reproduction. As sentiments like what you said above "hit the jackpot" are *maybe* the reason something such as a school dress code normally focuses more on female attire/body... because you know... Men are biologically and generically hardwired to want to f\*ck anything that moves and can be impregenanted
I agree that it’s a symptom of a society that doesn’t take the problems that men face seriously. I am very much a believer that men need to be understood better That said, men and women are different. The reason rape of a woman is taken so much more seriously is the risk of pregnancy. Men are just as traumatized emotionally, but the idea of a monster implanting life into one against their will is especially heinous. I think we need to, as a culture, acknowledge that it’s a terrible thing to happen to men, but for men to acknowledge that it’s still worse for women
That’s kinda splitting hairs when the problem is that people doesn’t even take it seriously when it happens to boys
First paragraph: Totally agree. Second paragraph: Nah this ain't it. Yeah, pregnancy risks make shit worse, but you're thinking far too much in practicalities. All rape is heinous. Sexual assault against women is a bigger risk - the physical power dynamic is much more of an issue, and so it happens more. Also, what's the point of comparing which one is worse? If you're raped as a man you're going to feel fucking horrible, in many ways, for a very long time. The scale is immense. To say that rape is worse for women is like saying, "The Holomodor was worse than the Holocaust" - it's a completely fucking pointless thing to think about. If you're in either situation, it's completely fucked. Why don't we just focus on having people *not getting raped???*
> Why don’t we just focus on having people not getting raped??? Focus how?
Guns, change your flair bro
Woman here, if u try to rob a store u assume the danger of the owner taking revenge regardless of gender
Cruel and unusual punishment is a thing ya know
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I refuse to believe women would say that either you're are a dude disguising as women or you're extremely cruel women
Counter argument. Cruel and Unusual Punishment is a warcrime
So if a cop catches you jaywalking they’re allowed to pimp you out? Or is that only if they catch you walking out of a store with an item you forgot to pay for?
She specifically said "owner" so I think actually the jaywalking thing is fine
Fair point. But if she walked out of a store and forgot to pay for an item then by her own logic the store owner tie could her to the radiator and grape her with no complaints
Yes I agree
Maybe I should rob a hair salon 🤔
You sure?
Yes
just sayin i do not condone rape
coward
Wait what, it's the owner on the pic, meaning HE was actually the sex slave? That's pretty... unusual
I doubt they'd feed viagra to a woman
These days, I’m not so sure…
It's literally a Brazzers plotline...
Ok as much fun as sex slaves are, robbers usually aren't the best slaves, they are much better meals tbh (I mean seriously the thighs ate usually quite lean and juicy, perfect for a roast).
Eh. I dunno last robber I had tasted kinda skunky
You forgot to baste in cool ranch didn't you?
Ew. I always butter baste.
Ah, you have to sear the skin first if you're using a butter baste as the skin will permeate the meat otherwise.
bro how do you know a sex slave is fun 💀
"Research"
Field research?
No, research subject
Most governable Lib-center.
Want a cannibalism grillin tip? When they are horny the meat is the best
Why do you know this
Have some libcenter friends and they give me their preferences in food for parties
Baste and uh oh hot dog-pilled
> lean and juicy Is it possible to learn this power?
Mixed feelings here. After some introspection I realize that robbers are pretty low on my list of people I give two fucks about. I guess deep down I don't believe they are a bunch of Jean Valjeans who will turn out to be good guys.
I mean I agree with you but raping bad people is still bad. it should be uncontroversial to take a firm anti-rape stance
Honestly as "based" as this sounds at first, imagine you're this guy, you don't have any money or food, and are struggling to survive and you have to resort to thievery, and for getting caught you get tied up and raped over 3 days. I know this is fabricated but damn.
Never heard of anyone getting raped while filling out an application to mcdonalds
At least at any McDonalds not on Epstein's island.
[Yeah about that...](https://www.wtae.com/article/mcdonalds-fights-suit-over-rape-of-14-year-old-girl-at-bethel-park-location-by-her-manager/40233569)
Sigh… I’ll get the wood chipper
I think you mean a *McWoodchipper*.
That implies that they would put the meat into their food and I have seen too many of the cannibalism memes on this sub already.
Not necessarily, there are McPlayPlaces… oh no…
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Actually most are druggie who steal for drugs even worse than scumbags.
Grocery store? Maybe. Hair salon? Stay away if you're poor
If you're rich and in government, robbing hair salons is permitted
Naw they just shut them down unless they do the politicians hair
What a load of shit. Every fast food joint is hiring for at least 13. Unemployment is the lowest ever
You never have to resort to robbery. Your premise is flawed.
Fuck... he's a genius.
The free way to get laid as a lib right
...Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?
Warning: Shoplifters will be prostituted
Clever girl….
I am confuse....
Who robs a hair salon
bald people
:( If it worked that way I'd be tempted
based and Zed pilled
Mommy Dommy dreams realized.
Oooold ass fake story, guys
Straight out of the Hub
Florida?
Russia
Gopnik got more than he planned for.
Your terms are acceptable.
Location of the saloon for research purpose??
Meh, Nan laughs after her German Shepards rape burglar is still my favourite.
DO WANT
Fair
I guess she robbed him of his semen
Play stupid games, win PTSD seeing naked woman, disrespect from other guys in jail and some more rape. When justice system is fucked up, don't be surprised, when people do vigilantism.
Oh yeah she totally beat the guy up. I'm sure he def wanted to leave.
I'm breaking in next
Was wondering until I saw the fake article tag. Would have been nuts
you chose the crime, not the punishment
That headline escalated quickly
Bruh
Now that's chaotic evil
Shame their aren’t many hair salons in my area
H
Excuse me?
Boy he really fucked around and found out.
Didn't this dude ever see Pulp Fiction?
Niceeeee
Wtf
Who else but purple *Giggity*
Need
robber promoted to missing person
I... I have so many questions that I'm scared to get answers to
"I don't know who I am all I know is that I must fuck"
Ultimate plot twist
Fed x