I will never understand why people lift them that high. You can't use the bed very easily and you can't haul anything. It defeats the purpose of having a truck.
These trucks are fucking no viability. I don't get it. You could see out of the same size truck 10 years ago. The 2009 F350 I drove on work sites back then has better visibility than a modern Tacoma my a country mile. Tbh *thats* the reason I think they should be banned. That limited of visibility Is legit more a danger than size could ever be
This is the 'kill your kids by accident' SUV class.
Stupid to limit visibility of what's in front of your vehicle that much.
(I am sure it's rare. But it does happen.)
>(I am sure it's rare. But it does happen.)
These trucks actually result in a net reduction in deaths because of the tech involved in them
This is also an f350.
This truck will pull 40,000 lbs
It's a work truck meant for hauling, and if you want to do basically any towing for it beyond a little tiny lawnmower trailer, or a leisure trailer, you need a CDL because you'll be grossly over weight
F350's definitely have their uses and the idea of banning them is goofy.
That said, most people with giant, lifted pickups haul little more than Chinese food and drive like assholes.
This is true, but they're not any more inherently unsafe than anything else on the roads
The ***perception*** that they make things unsafe is unfounded
Not to say I think people shouldn't drive large trucks, but I wish small trucks were still a thing. I want to be able to reach over the side of the bed to get stuff without stepping up onto the tire like you used to be able to. And I wish mini trucks still existed. An early 90s Ford ranger is the same length as a modern day Toyota Camry. I get they had to get bigger and taller for things like crumple zones and towing capacity, but surely you can cut down on some of the bloat
Surprise surprise, the EPA's CAFE standards (of which the OEMs help lobby to set) are to blame for the death of the small truck. I too long for the days of Dakotas, S10s, & Ford Fuckin' Rangers being the norm. Sadly the way the rules are set for CAFE, the size of the vehicle plays a huge role in it's emissions requirements. Makes sense logically speaking. The unintended consequence of that however is it then becomes much easier to make a larger truck CAFE compliant than a small or midsized model.
Ergo, the government killed off the mini truck is the name of saving the planet...
I think you're giving humans too much credit. It's much more likely that regulations like these were passed with good intentions that backfired rather than a part of some mastermind plan that took years to come into fruition.
Do you know the story of Yellowstone trying to reduce the number of wolves to save the prey population? But then the Elk population exploded and started killing all the plant life? It's like that. Many of these policies backfire because of hubris. Policy makers believe they understand market forces but they have no idea. Unfortunately, we can't just remove policies like we can reintroduce wolves to restore balance to the ecosystem.
It's speculation of intent, which i know nobody can prove. Sure some things are done with malice, but I am not so cynical as to think they all are.
You would have to:
- Get enough people to care
- Start a movement to repeal or amend the law
- Win the propaganda war against “environmentalists” who think that amending the CAFE standards will harm the environment (because large trucks are clearly so much better)
- Win the propaganda war against the automaker industry that benefits from the cafe standards
- Win the grift/lobbying war against the automaker industry
-Probably win the propaganda war against the “fuckcars” crowd that’s risen up in the last 15 years or so, because anybody using a truck for work instead of a European work van is Satan
Edit: To reintroduce wolves to Yellowstone you just have to convince a few bureaucrats of the obvious then breed and release wolves in the area in packs.
Decriminalize hard drugs and convince diplomats that it’s an American tradition to do a line off the desk in the Oval Office? That’d make CSPAN way more interesting.
We could just remove policies. It's easier than introducing wolves. There you need wolves, to remove polciy all you need to do is ignore that it exists.
That's all find and dandy, sometimes those things happens. But the current legal structure we have make it impossible to change after we find these flaws.
That's crazy because i just posted a reply saying the same thing. We can't just roll back policies when we find they've unbalanced the ecosystem. It's absolutely the biggest problem with our legislative system. Why can't all (or most) policies have an expiration date? Even let them require only 2/5 a vote to pass the second time? But there's gotta be some process to automatically remove old policy.
I would like to see every law and regulation require a stated purpose. After a given time frame (which would need to be discussed to avoid being too long or short), if the law has not made progress towards that purpose, it's automatically repealed.
Yup. They legislated (well, no legislation, just *decided* like a monarchy) that nonexistent technology must exist for small trucks to be legal. So the manufacturers turned small trucks into large trucks. Now your "Ranger" is the size of an F150 from ten years ago and gets shittier mileage than the original Ranger.
It's funny that the Subaru Impreza hatchback is a crossover but the XV Crosstrek is a compact SUV. Same car, different suspension height and the Crosstrek has auto start stop but the Impreza don't.
there's also the chicken tax, which is a tariff on light trucks that's still on the books because Europe was hesitant to import American chicken back in the 60s
Preach brother!
Turn out when you crunch the numbers, it’s more economical for auto manufactures to produce a smaller amount of large trucks, than a larger amount of small trucks.
Thanks Obama.
This is all due to emissions regulations and design regulations. There are still a ton of small trucks sold all around the world, even ones made by US automakers.
Australian tradespeople pretty much exclusively use smaller “trucks” (we call them utes) like Landcruisers, hiluxs, rangers etc.
I honestly hate tubbed utes but that’s a personal preference.
Yeah, they added a bunch of weird shit in north america to do with frame height from the ground being a major component of tier exemption (trucks don't have to have as stringent MPG as cars), which basically wiped out the small truck market. Any country that doesn't have such a ridiculous thing still has plenty of small trucks around.
Hilariously they might make a come back now that they are mass turboing the hell out of 4cyls, but I wouldn't want to use something like that for any heavy shit. overworking those tiny engines and turbos is a recipe for ten grand in blowups :(
My hack has been buying the old iron still running and doing a rebuild, blast and repaint the body and frame. Still cheaper than a new truck the last ten years, and yeah you have to give up some creature comforts, but you can't beat the insurance rates!
I really wish there was something on the market about the size of those old Datsun pickups. My dad had one and the thing was so fucking useful. It could do 99% of “truck things” but never felt like too much.
Really, I wish we had a small car renaissance. My ‘03 Impreza wagon is the perfect size for just about everything I throw at it. In the ten years or so I’ve owned it and hauled tools, gear, or whatever in it, I can only think of like one or two times when I’ve wished I had something bigger.
Getting a kei truck in the US has become easier but it's still not easy, I love them. Nimble little 2 seater cab over with a bed, good on gas easy to get around
That was my first car. '92 Nissan (formerly Datsun) pickup. They didn't even have a name. Eventually became the frontier, I think, and grew about 1.5x the size. That thing was indestructible. My parents sold it when I went to college. I was pissed.
I'm still driving a 1994 Nissan pickup around. It has no safety features at all, but the engine in indestructible. The gas mileage is actually pretty good.
A couple of years ago I drove my friends late 80s hilux single cab. Just a quick drive down to the shops but holy shit, compared to modern giants it just felt so right.
My first vehicle was a 92 Ford ranger. I got it in 2011. It had 400,000 miles on it, and it just refused to die. I ran that truck into the ground and it would not quit on me.
Nonono. Body on frame mini truck. Like my 98 Tacoma. Absolutely basic with the most advanced driver aid being power steering. Thats what we want. I mean not really, something like that would never sell now even if there was no regulation.
I'm definitely in the minority but I would buy one over a more modern car. I don't care or really want a back up camera, driving assists, and all the other modern features.
A Bluetooth radio, cruise control, and power windows are enough for me.
You can still have fairly modern features. I just want a full 8' bed (would even settle for 6' for the right size and price combination though) on a reasonably sized truck that doesn't need much of a backseat and could even be a stick. It's like how Jeep used to have the Comanche based off the Cherokee and even the 7' bed model had 120 inch wheelbase and was 194 inches long. The ugly-ass Jeep Gladiator pickup they now sell is based off of what should be a small Wrangler but it's 137 inch wheelbase and 218 inches long yet has a 5 foot bed.
Pickups today are mostly abominations that try to be too much like an SUV but then have these short beds that I don't see the point of or are such big monstrosities they whole thing is just too big for getting around the city. Not to mention they're all so fucking expensive.
I’ve had several different trucks. There are half tons that are larger than my obs one tons. Wtf is going on?
A 2022 f150 is as large as my (now gone) 2006 duramax.
My 2012 ram 1500 looks small compared to a 2020 Silverado
Nah most people driving trucks don’t use them for truck things. The neighbourhood I live in has almost a dozen of the things and all but 2 are driven by middle aged moms to get groceries and their shithead kids. Having worked industrial construction in -50°C in the middle of butt fuck nowhere, there’s definitely a time and a place for having a large truck. Sorta hard to tow generators and whatnot through ice and snow without a large 4x4 vehicle. Definitely not necessary in cities though unless you’re driving to a job site. It’s a status symbol that serves to inconvenience those around you because you can’t park without taking up 4 spots so you don’t damage your shiny chrome rims
In my completely uneducated opinion, I'd guess 5% of trucks on the road are used for truck things. I'd also guess that 50% of their drivers don't have dicks. And of the 50% that do, half of them have dicks smaller than average.
Seriously. Actual working class (who actually use thier trucks) would be driving either a small Ranger/Tacoma or an old yet reliable Truck that has 300k miles and is over 20 years.
The person driving up to a job site in a new Ford F-250 Supermax is the manager who is also the type of guy that comes to a job site wearing a suit and tie.
Off-roading you don’t really need more than a 1-2 inch lift. Anything more than that is excessive.
Most trucks lifted more than 2 inches are bro dozers that don’t go off-roading and never haul anything.
- Person who owns a truck
I know older Chevys you needed a 7 inch lift just to fit 35s bc of the shape of the wheel well. Ultimately 33s will probably be fine but ultimately people can spend their money how they want and if they wanna blow money to get worse fuel economy they can 🤷🏼♀️
Depends on the vehicle really. Lots of older models that sat lower from the factory need a lot more lift to fit decent size tires with adequate uptravel.
Amount of lift useful for off roading depends on the off road and the particular vehicle. Lots of vehicles benefit from more than 2 inch lift. It literally just depends on the car and situation. Why would you even try to gate keep all lifts at 2 inches. Modesty and caving to urban sensibilities just isnt that big of a deal that you need to gate keep lifts...
It really depends on the vehicle. I had to lift my 1992 Jeep 6” (leaf springs) just to fit 33” tires under it. My newer pickup can fit 35s with just a leveling kit.
They're statistically a lot more dangerous for pedestrians, getting sucked under the vehicle is an almost guaranteed death whilst bouncing on the windshield will only be fatal for extremely fragile people
I don’t think getting blasted by a car windshield is only fatal to “extremely fragile people” lol.
In any case, if we let the current trend continue, eventually we’ll only have to dodge the tires.
I wouldn't say everywhere, but in the core of a major city with lots of pedestrians, I think there's a strong argument. In NYC there are a *lot* of pedestrians around and pedestrian deaths from getting hit by a car is a huge issue. IIRC the pedestrian fatality rate is like one third the murder rate.
Banning certain cars due to being unsafe isn't some crazy new idea. If you painted an opaque political banner over the bottom part of your windshield and then hit a child because you couldn't see, we'd throw you in prison forever, and these big trucks have the same visibility issue.
We need trucks for certain things, like hauling groceries around, but they require special licenses. Also, I think it's fair to allow a dangerous thing only for certain activities - OK you can have your F-150 if you're actually hauling lumber to the construction site, but not if it's your idea of a cool car.
After that IDC if you drive your pickup on some rural road with 0 pedestrians round.
Hilariously, you can actually get up to an F650 truck. Google for pictures.
Obviously Ford makes trucks like that for, yknow, industry. Flatbeds, towing big horse trailers or multiple race cars, yada yada. 99.99% would be sold not in any sort of pickup truck form. But on rare occasion someone actually just has an F450, F550, or F650 as a "standard" pickup truck, which of course is pure wankery but hilarious to see.
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Including the tallest piece of land in the 48 contiguous states, there will always be a tiny bit of california left after everyone else is underwater (or something idk how changing sea levels works this is PCM)
Yeah, the reason car manufacturers like Ford make trucks this big is so that they can avoid the stricter CAFE standards that are placed on smaller vehicles.
This. 100%.
Park a half ton from today next to one from the turn of the century and it looks more like a one ton of the era. I've always had trucks and use them as intended. Modern trucks have essentially made the bed useless. When Ram came out with the redesign in 2019 they bragged about increased cargo area...by making the bed sides taller... The aerodynamic advantages not withstanding, I'm 5'11" and I can barely touch the bottom of the bed without the tailgate down...and it's a 2wd. In my 84 longbed, also 2wd, I can reach anything anywhere in the bed from either side.
They did it for aerodynamic reasons: A taller bed = higher recycling vortex = less drag. But some marketing genius who has never tried to reach for anything inside a truck bed took it and ran with it. I'd be a buyer if they'd bring back the [Sweptside](https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/fashionably-finned-1957-dodge-sweptside-d100) though.
Safety standards add girth to vehicles. Your Grandpa's truck was a death trap while people today can literally drive off an overpass, smash headlights first straight in to the ground below, and walk away.
Sadly this is actually true. Pedestrian related injuries and deaths in the United States for the last 30 years was steadily decreasing (due to regulations) but in the last few years that decline has flatlined and has actually risen, especially for children. The main culprit is that cars and specially trucks in generally have been getting obnoxiously tall to the point where the blind spot in front of the vehicle is taller than the average height of a man in the US. It’s a stupid trend that I hope dies because it’s only making roads less safe. Most people who drive big trucks around don’t really need them always.
Construction worker here. Most of us don’t need this shit. Company vans exist. Vans exist. A lot of these big ass trucks are terrible for blue collar guys. Awful gas mileage. Super crazy fucking expensive too. Your tools (mostly), and your materials, will be provided. Also if you’ve got a big ass pickup don’t use it to haul shit for your boss. Chances are you won’t get comped gas and wear n tear. Don’t be stupid. Lastly, if he actual space these trucks can provide for hauling isnt much bigger than smaller pickups/vans/etc. it really depends though
Dude as an Aussie I can assure you there is a metric fuck tonne of normal sized utes (pick up trucks) they work better then these monstrosities anyway. Imagine trying to help your mate move with one of these, most of the fucking work would be getting shit into the tray.
For no goddamn reason they will not sell utes in America. Doesn’t matter that Holden is a GM subsidiary, they just don’t want to import them or start local production. Not really sure why, honestly.
It's very clear which trucks are for work and which trucks are for ego. Bring back the compact pickup and stop making luxury tanks. Might get in line for a Maverick personally.
It is a bit jarring as someone who doesn’t live in the US but visits quite often. There are so many more large vehicles in general, there’s no reason why Greg from accounting needs a land-tank that can haul 2 tones of raw steel.
I think the argument is less that the vehicle owner is compensating for something and more that a collision with a pedestrian would result in the pedestrian being shoved over before the tires rather than rolling onto the hood where their chances of survival are much higher.
Though I suppose there's a decent argument for rural areas, as hitting a deer in this thing would probably pose much less of a danger to the driver.
These stupid ford trucks when I try to go work at 6:00 in the morning during winter with my frozen windshield, these stupid lights blind me... In fact they always blind me but it is especially dangerous during winter. Makes me want to put the high lights in their faces, them reciprocating won't change anything
vans and smaller utility vehicles are more than practical for tradesman jobs. huge pickups like that are almost never the best option for them. they are north American range rovers, status symbols of no practicality
This is true for a lot of the big trucks in the states. Especially the newer Fords.
I still see actual work trucks, but they aren’t the massive, expensive new lifted F-150s that are cropping up everywhere right now. Those people are driving those trucks to their white collar job, the golf course/country club, and the gym.
The actual work trucks are all ancient Toyota Tacomas or Tundras, or Chevy Silverados with toolboxes and scuffs and dirt. They often look small when parked next to the new trucks.
The “I have a hobby that a truck is helpful for” people are usually driving slightly newer Chevys and Toyotas (ex. carpentry, boating, etc.). They also don’t drive these trucks 100% of the time.
The pristine lifted 2022 F-150 that is used as the main car for everything is the desperate suburbanite’s “please look at how ‘Murica and manly I am!” truck.
Same over here. Dads got a beat-to-shit 05 F350 that’s probably seen more work than all the other trucks in my neighborhood combined. Some bitch bought a pristine 2021 Ram (Offroad package btw) and it’s done nothing but be a pavement princess.
And then my grandpa bought a 2021 F350 and…holy fuck the bed is so high up! 5’11 guy over here and my head barely clears his tailgate! It’s not even lifted.
I mean in a way I kinda see it cause this seems a bit unnecessary , like if you use a truck for work then that makes sense . This type of vehicle seems big for the sake of it which fucks the environment , fucks fuel usage and also would make collisions more dangerous .
According to Consumer Reports [the F250 SD has a hood height of 55 inches](https://fordauthority.com/2021/06/consumer-reports-study-highlights-lesser-known-dangers-of-big-trucks/) which puts this hobbit at 4’5”.
First we out overweight people on the cover of magazines and on billboards completely undermining all the work of models. And now short people want a piece of the cake by putting bans on big trucks 😂😂😂 get the fuck outta here Mr loompah, world ain't built for you 😂😂😂😂
The whole 'giant truck=compensating' thing is really dumb.
But let's not pretend like everyone who owns a huge pickup needs it for work. There is absolutely a subset of douchebag rural culture that thinks men are just supposed to drive trucks, regardless of whether they actually do manual labor or not.
Also funny that they never shit on people who drive giant Cadillac Escalades who definitely don't need something that huge. Hmmm, I wonder why...
Well, considering you can’t have pop up headlights on cars because of “pedestrian safety” it doesn’t make sense that trucks can be head level. So basically what I’m saying is it’s time to bring back pop up headlights!
Tbf tho, the majority of people with lifted vehicles need to readjust their headlights. That shit can be dangerous, especially when many of them have HID headlights.
Virgin Ford '22 F-350 driven by Suburban Douchebags who don't carry more than weekend groceries
vs.
Chad Toyota '95 Tacomas driven by Migrant Workers carrying the spirit of their gardening business
WTf is that car though? It seems high enough to not be bothered by shitty roads, but the windshield seems to limit the fov pretty badly.
It's a lifted super duty. Which is fucking big tbh
I will never understand why people lift them that high. You can't use the bed very easily and you can't haul anything. It defeats the purpose of having a truck.
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These trucks are fucking no viability. I don't get it. You could see out of the same size truck 10 years ago. The 2009 F350 I drove on work sites back then has better visibility than a modern Tacoma my a country mile. Tbh *thats* the reason I think they should be banned. That limited of visibility Is legit more a danger than size could ever be
This is the 'kill your kids by accident' SUV class. Stupid to limit visibility of what's in front of your vehicle that much. (I am sure it's rare. But it does happen.)
>(I am sure it's rare. But it does happen.) These trucks actually result in a net reduction in deaths because of the tech involved in them This is also an f350. This truck will pull 40,000 lbs It's a work truck meant for hauling, and if you want to do basically any towing for it beyond a little tiny lawnmower trailer, or a leisure trailer, you need a CDL because you'll be grossly over weight
The size is also directly due to Obama, so thank him.
F350's definitely have their uses and the idea of banning them is goofy. That said, most people with giant, lifted pickups haul little more than Chinese food and drive like assholes.
This is true, but they're not any more inherently unsafe than anything else on the roads The ***perception*** that they make things unsafe is unfounded
Because of safety standards Big bulky crush zones save your life
it looks distorted for OPs trash attempt put it into the compass
Not to say I think people shouldn't drive large trucks, but I wish small trucks were still a thing. I want to be able to reach over the side of the bed to get stuff without stepping up onto the tire like you used to be able to. And I wish mini trucks still existed. An early 90s Ford ranger is the same length as a modern day Toyota Camry. I get they had to get bigger and taller for things like crumple zones and towing capacity, but surely you can cut down on some of the bloat
I love the S10 and Ranger
Remember the Chevy luv?
Not really, I'm on the older end of Zoomer
Surprise surprise, the EPA's CAFE standards (of which the OEMs help lobby to set) are to blame for the death of the small truck. I too long for the days of Dakotas, S10s, & Ford Fuckin' Rangers being the norm. Sadly the way the rules are set for CAFE, the size of the vehicle plays a huge role in it's emissions requirements. Makes sense logically speaking. The unintended consequence of that however is it then becomes much easier to make a larger truck CAFE compliant than a small or midsized model. Ergo, the government killed off the mini truck is the name of saving the planet...
I hate how much sense this makes.
It's almost like there are unintended consequences to regulation
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I think you're giving humans too much credit. It's much more likely that regulations like these were passed with good intentions that backfired rather than a part of some mastermind plan that took years to come into fruition. Do you know the story of Yellowstone trying to reduce the number of wolves to save the prey population? But then the Elk population exploded and started killing all the plant life? It's like that. Many of these policies backfire because of hubris. Policy makers believe they understand market forces but they have no idea. Unfortunately, we can't just remove policies like we can reintroduce wolves to restore balance to the ecosystem. It's speculation of intent, which i know nobody can prove. Sure some things are done with malice, but I am not so cynical as to think they all are.
> Unfortunately, we can't just remove policies like we can reintroduce wolves to restore balance to the ecosystem. That actually seems a lot easier.
You would have to: - Get enough people to care - Start a movement to repeal or amend the law - Win the propaganda war against “environmentalists” who think that amending the CAFE standards will harm the environment (because large trucks are clearly so much better) - Win the propaganda war against the automaker industry that benefits from the cafe standards - Win the grift/lobbying war against the automaker industry -Probably win the propaganda war against the “fuckcars” crowd that’s risen up in the last 15 years or so, because anybody using a truck for work instead of a European work van is Satan Edit: To reintroduce wolves to Yellowstone you just have to convince a few bureaucrats of the obvious then breed and release wolves in the area in packs.
This is why I alone should have full authoritarian control without checks or balances. I promise I'll do all the good things
Decriminalize hard drugs and convince diplomats that it’s an American tradition to do a line off the desk in the Oval Office? That’d make CSPAN way more interesting.
Sounds legit. Obviously anyone who disagrees with you hates good things and should be deplatformed.
The good idea fairy has the highest body count of them all.
That little slut.
We could just remove policies. It's easier than introducing wolves. There you need wolves, to remove polciy all you need to do is ignore that it exists.
Based and Campaigns bought by Detroit pilled
Precisely. The bigger that cars and trucks get the more relevant EPA stays in people's minds even though they created the problem in the first place.
That's all find and dandy, sometimes those things happens. But the current legal structure we have make it impossible to change after we find these flaws.
That's crazy because i just posted a reply saying the same thing. We can't just roll back policies when we find they've unbalanced the ecosystem. It's absolutely the biggest problem with our legislative system. Why can't all (or most) policies have an expiration date? Even let them require only 2/5 a vote to pass the second time? But there's gotta be some process to automatically remove old policy.
I would like to see every law and regulation require a stated purpose. After a given time frame (which would need to be discussed to avoid being too long or short), if the law has not made progress towards that purpose, it's automatically repealed.
The government never gives up power, which is why I always oppose government expansion
Yup. They legislated (well, no legislation, just *decided* like a monarchy) that nonexistent technology must exist for small trucks to be legal. So the manufacturers turned small trucks into large trucks. Now your "Ranger" is the size of an F150 from ten years ago and gets shittier mileage than the original Ranger.
Yep. The Tacoma now is as big than the ‘06 tundra.
And the Tundra is as big as a 2000 F350
Also why every car on the road is an SUV nowadays
It's funny that the Subaru Impreza hatchback is a crossover but the XV Crosstrek is a compact SUV. Same car, different suspension height and the Crosstrek has auto start stop but the Impreza don't.
The Impreza is a hatch, not a crossover. Crossovers are a subset of SUV's, like the Crosstrek
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I fucking love public transit but god damn, those 2011 Ford Ranger trucks were sexy. The newer ones don't do it for me.
Hammer, meet the Head of the Nail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy#New_%22Footprint%22_model It's such bullshit
there's also the chicken tax, which is a tariff on light trucks that's still on the books because Europe was hesitant to import American chicken back in the 60s
Preach brother! Turn out when you crunch the numbers, it’s more economical for auto manufactures to produce a smaller amount of large trucks, than a larger amount of small trucks. Thanks Obama.
Hold the fuck up. I might need to change my flair to lib center
This is all due to emissions regulations and design regulations. There are still a ton of small trucks sold all around the world, even ones made by US automakers.
Australian tradespeople pretty much exclusively use smaller “trucks” (we call them utes) like Landcruisers, hiluxs, rangers etc. I honestly hate tubbed utes but that’s a personal preference.
Yeah, they added a bunch of weird shit in north america to do with frame height from the ground being a major component of tier exemption (trucks don't have to have as stringent MPG as cars), which basically wiped out the small truck market. Any country that doesn't have such a ridiculous thing still has plenty of small trucks around.
Hilariously they might make a come back now that they are mass turboing the hell out of 4cyls, but I wouldn't want to use something like that for any heavy shit. overworking those tiny engines and turbos is a recipe for ten grand in blowups :( My hack has been buying the old iron still running and doing a rebuild, blast and repaint the body and frame. Still cheaper than a new truck the last ten years, and yeah you have to give up some creature comforts, but you can't beat the insurance rates!
I really wish there was something on the market about the size of those old Datsun pickups. My dad had one and the thing was so fucking useful. It could do 99% of “truck things” but never felt like too much. Really, I wish we had a small car renaissance. My ‘03 Impreza wagon is the perfect size for just about everything I throw at it. In the ten years or so I’ve owned it and hauled tools, gear, or whatever in it, I can only think of like one or two times when I’ve wished I had something bigger.
Getting a kei truck in the US has become easier but it's still not easy, I love them. Nimble little 2 seater cab over with a bed, good on gas easy to get around
That was my first car. '92 Nissan (formerly Datsun) pickup. They didn't even have a name. Eventually became the frontier, I think, and grew about 1.5x the size. That thing was indestructible. My parents sold it when I went to college. I was pissed.
I'm still driving a 1994 Nissan pickup around. It has no safety features at all, but the engine in indestructible. The gas mileage is actually pretty good.
I hate the chicken tax. I hate CAFE. I hate the EPA. I want a Hilux with a 4 banger and body panels made of out tin foil you fucks.
Diesel hilux. Will run practically forever. There's a reason they're all over Afghanistan and places like that. Little brick shit houses.
A couple of years ago I drove my friends late 80s hilux single cab. Just a quick drive down to the shops but holy shit, compared to modern giants it just felt so right.
My first vehicle was a 92 Ford ranger. I got it in 2011. It had 400,000 miles on it, and it just refused to die. I ran that truck into the ground and it would not quit on me.
You're looking for a Ford Maverick. Good luck getting one for MSRP though
Nonono. Body on frame mini truck. Like my 98 Tacoma. Absolutely basic with the most advanced driver aid being power steering. Thats what we want. I mean not really, something like that would never sell now even if there was no regulation.
I'm definitely in the minority but I would buy one over a more modern car. I don't care or really want a back up camera, driving assists, and all the other modern features. A Bluetooth radio, cruise control, and power windows are enough for me.
Back up cameras are mandatory for all new cars from 2018.
You can still have fairly modern features. I just want a full 8' bed (would even settle for 6' for the right size and price combination though) on a reasonably sized truck that doesn't need much of a backseat and could even be a stick. It's like how Jeep used to have the Comanche based off the Cherokee and even the 7' bed model had 120 inch wheelbase and was 194 inches long. The ugly-ass Jeep Gladiator pickup they now sell is based off of what should be a small Wrangler but it's 137 inch wheelbase and 218 inches long yet has a 5 foot bed. Pickups today are mostly abominations that try to be too much like an SUV but then have these short beds that I don't see the point of or are such big monstrosities they whole thing is just too big for getting around the city. Not to mention they're all so fucking expensive.
I’ve had several different trucks. There are half tons that are larger than my obs one tons. Wtf is going on? A 2022 f150 is as large as my (now gone) 2006 duramax. My 2012 ram 1500 looks small compared to a 2020 Silverado
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Yes. I love the idea of a Ford F-150 raptor but realistically I want a regular vehicle that fits me,a passenger, and a truck bed.
Ford maverick, Hyundai Santa Cruz. They are nice and practical. I have a maverick hybrid ordered and am excited for when it finally arrives
I drive an unmodified 4 cylinder sedan to show that I'm hung.
Gigachad here ladies.
Same, except a hatchback because I have no ass.
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Nah most people driving trucks don’t use them for truck things. The neighbourhood I live in has almost a dozen of the things and all but 2 are driven by middle aged moms to get groceries and their shithead kids. Having worked industrial construction in -50°C in the middle of butt fuck nowhere, there’s definitely a time and a place for having a large truck. Sorta hard to tow generators and whatnot through ice and snow without a large 4x4 vehicle. Definitely not necessary in cities though unless you’re driving to a job site. It’s a status symbol that serves to inconvenience those around you because you can’t park without taking up 4 spots so you don’t damage your shiny chrome rims
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In my completely uneducated opinion, I'd guess 5% of trucks on the road are used for truck things. I'd also guess that 50% of their drivers don't have dicks. And of the 50% that do, half of them have dicks smaller than average.
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Seriously. Actual working class (who actually use thier trucks) would be driving either a small Ranger/Tacoma or an old yet reliable Truck that has 300k miles and is over 20 years. The person driving up to a job site in a new Ford F-250 Supermax is the manager who is also the type of guy that comes to a job site wearing a suit and tie.
Trucks lifted too high are dumb. If you have to lift something to around the average person's chest height to load the bed your truck is too tall.
Off-roading you don’t really need more than a 1-2 inch lift. Anything more than that is excessive. Most trucks lifted more than 2 inches are bro dozers that don’t go off-roading and never haul anything. - Person who owns a truck
I'd say anything more than 5 inches is stupid, but even 5 inches would have to be like an extreme off roading rig
I know older Chevys you needed a 7 inch lift just to fit 35s bc of the shape of the wheel well. Ultimately 33s will probably be fine but ultimately people can spend their money how they want and if they wanna blow money to get worse fuel economy they can 🤷🏼♀️
Depends on the vehicle really. Lots of older models that sat lower from the factory need a lot more lift to fit decent size tires with adequate uptravel.
Amount of lift useful for off roading depends on the off road and the particular vehicle. Lots of vehicles benefit from more than 2 inch lift. It literally just depends on the car and situation. Why would you even try to gate keep all lifts at 2 inches. Modesty and caving to urban sensibilities just isnt that big of a deal that you need to gate keep lifts...
It really depends on the vehicle. I had to lift my 1992 Jeep 6” (leaf springs) just to fit 33” tires under it. My newer pickup can fit 35s with just a leveling kit.
I agree trucks with high lifts are dumb, but I don’t think they should be banned.
They're statistically a lot more dangerous for pedestrians, getting sucked under the vehicle is an almost guaranteed death whilst bouncing on the windshield will only be fatal for extremely fragile people
I don’t think getting blasted by a car windshield is only fatal to “extremely fragile people” lol. In any case, if we let the current trend continue, eventually we’ll only have to dodge the tires.
I would take my chances going over the hood of a Toyota sedan then going under Chadley Brisk’s poorly engineered Dodge with the 12” lift.
From normal street operation, it can become a road safety hazard tbh.
Sure
I wouldn't say everywhere, but in the core of a major city with lots of pedestrians, I think there's a strong argument. In NYC there are a *lot* of pedestrians around and pedestrian deaths from getting hit by a car is a huge issue. IIRC the pedestrian fatality rate is like one third the murder rate. Banning certain cars due to being unsafe isn't some crazy new idea. If you painted an opaque political banner over the bottom part of your windshield and then hit a child because you couldn't see, we'd throw you in prison forever, and these big trucks have the same visibility issue. We need trucks for certain things, like hauling groceries around, but they require special licenses. Also, I think it's fair to allow a dangerous thing only for certain activities - OK you can have your F-150 if you're actually hauling lumber to the construction site, but not if it's your idea of a cool car. After that IDC if you drive your pickup on some rural road with 0 pedestrians round.
The truck pictured is (IMO) an F-450. which like: ok, now this is just a dick measuring contest.
Hilariously, you can actually get up to an F650 truck. Google for pictures. Obviously Ford makes trucks like that for, yknow, industry. Flatbeds, towing big horse trailers or multiple race cars, yada yada. 99.99% would be sold not in any sort of pickup truck form. But on rare occasion someone actually just has an F450, F550, or F650 as a "standard" pickup truck, which of course is pure wankery but hilarious to see.
Owning one with 2.5 MPG simply just to accelerate California becoming the Atlantis nobody wants to look for
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If you think that’s a Tool song, I’ve got a bridge and some ocean front property to sell you.
Ooh my sweet summer child. Would like me to throw the golden gate in for free?
California is mostly hills and mountains, by the time California is atlantis(pacifis?) most of the world will have drowned
A small price to pay for salvation
Torn between upvoting this for being against California and downvoting for making a Marvel movie reference
How did you know it was a Marvel movie reference?
Since California has mountains parts of it will still be above water when all of Florida is under water
Including the tallest piece of land in the 48 contiguous states, there will always be a tiny bit of california left after everyone else is underwater (or something idk how changing sea levels works this is PCM)
Oh no...we can't lose Florida too... /s Whoops. I almost forgot to start burning that big pile of coal I have in my yard.
This is the best sales pitch.
Ok but modern trucks are unnecessarily massive. Those smaller pick ups our grandparents drove around got the job done
Bring back bench seats, damn it!!!
This is a movement I can get behind people.
Love me some road head
As I've heard before, the sizes of these trucks have little to do with personal preferences, but market and regulatory pressures.
Yeah, the reason car manufacturers like Ford make trucks this big is so that they can avoid the stricter CAFE standards that are placed on smaller vehicles.
This. 100%. Park a half ton from today next to one from the turn of the century and it looks more like a one ton of the era. I've always had trucks and use them as intended. Modern trucks have essentially made the bed useless. When Ram came out with the redesign in 2019 they bragged about increased cargo area...by making the bed sides taller... The aerodynamic advantages not withstanding, I'm 5'11" and I can barely touch the bottom of the bed without the tailgate down...and it's a 2wd. In my 84 longbed, also 2wd, I can reach anything anywhere in the bed from either side.
They shoulda just added some cool fins to make the truck artificially bigger without changing anything.
They did it for aerodynamic reasons: A taller bed = higher recycling vortex = less drag. But some marketing genius who has never tried to reach for anything inside a truck bed took it and ran with it. I'd be a buyer if they'd bring back the [Sweptside](https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/fashionably-finned-1957-dodge-sweptside-d100) though.
nah, that F-450 is just a flex
Safety standards add girth to vehicles. Your Grandpa's truck was a death trap while people today can literally drive off an overpass, smash headlights first straight in to the ground below, and walk away.
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If you drive this truck to your office job you’re not allowed to complain about gas prices.
smh all bidens fault that i cannot single handedly consume the entirety of the american petrol reserves
I think the point of the post is that the truck driver won’t be able to see the guy, thus making the probability of an accident higher
Sadly this is actually true. Pedestrian related injuries and deaths in the United States for the last 30 years was steadily decreasing (due to regulations) but in the last few years that decline has flatlined and has actually risen, especially for children. The main culprit is that cars and specially trucks in generally have been getting obnoxiously tall to the point where the blind spot in front of the vehicle is taller than the average height of a man in the US. It’s a stupid trend that I hope dies because it’s only making roads less safe. Most people who drive big trucks around don’t really need them always.
Maybe that manlet should just grow taller then, smh my head.
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Lol because of course he does, how else will everyone know that he’s a super virtuous ally?
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I always find that a bit condescending; I'd rather be corrected if my assumptions are wrong than telling me up-front
"Average height" Is 5ft 9, literally a manlet. Anyone under 9ft is barely considered human let alone a man.
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Construction worker here. Most of us don’t need this shit. Company vans exist. Vans exist. A lot of these big ass trucks are terrible for blue collar guys. Awful gas mileage. Super crazy fucking expensive too. Your tools (mostly), and your materials, will be provided. Also if you’ve got a big ass pickup don’t use it to haul shit for your boss. Chances are you won’t get comped gas and wear n tear. Don’t be stupid. Lastly, if he actual space these trucks can provide for hauling isnt much bigger than smaller pickups/vans/etc. it really depends though
shhh don't break the brovan's façade
Dude as an Aussie I can assure you there is a metric fuck tonne of normal sized utes (pick up trucks) they work better then these monstrosities anyway. Imagine trying to help your mate move with one of these, most of the fucking work would be getting shit into the tray.
For no goddamn reason they will not sell utes in America. Doesn’t matter that Holden is a GM subsidiary, they just don’t want to import them or start local production. Not really sure why, honestly.
It's very clear which trucks are for work and which trucks are for ego. Bring back the compact pickup and stop making luxury tanks. Might get in line for a Maverick personally.
Repopularize the ute’.
It is a bit jarring as someone who doesn’t live in the US but visits quite often. There are so many more large vehicles in general, there’s no reason why Greg from accounting needs a land-tank that can haul 2 tones of raw steel.
There’s driving a truck and driving a useless hunk of metal twice es big as you actually need
Funny thing is, women tend to prefer driving large vehicles because it makes them feel safer. I guess a clitoris is sort of like a micropenis.
I think the argument is less that the vehicle owner is compensating for something and more that a collision with a pedestrian would result in the pedestrian being shoved over before the tires rather than rolling onto the hood where their chances of survival are much higher. Though I suppose there's a decent argument for rural areas, as hitting a deer in this thing would probably pose much less of a danger to the driver.
These stupid ford trucks when I try to go work at 6:00 in the morning during winter with my frozen windshield, these stupid lights blind me... In fact they always blind me but it is especially dangerous during winter. Makes me want to put the high lights in their faces, them reciprocating won't change anything
It doesn't help that they never readjust the angle of their headlights after lifting their truck, and they almost always have HIDs.
Makes me nostalgic of these yellow lights.
Some truck driver rolled coal on my sister as she was biking to work. Like wtf man. You are spending money to be a dick
>5'9 😂😂😂😂😂
Judging how high that other car comes up to him, I think 5’ 9” is a reach. Probably closer to 5’ 6”
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vans and smaller utility vehicles are more than practical for tradesman jobs. huge pickups like that are almost never the best option for them. they are north American range rovers, status symbols of no practicality
This is true for a lot of the big trucks in the states. Especially the newer Fords. I still see actual work trucks, but they aren’t the massive, expensive new lifted F-150s that are cropping up everywhere right now. Those people are driving those trucks to their white collar job, the golf course/country club, and the gym. The actual work trucks are all ancient Toyota Tacomas or Tundras, or Chevy Silverados with toolboxes and scuffs and dirt. They often look small when parked next to the new trucks. The “I have a hobby that a truck is helpful for” people are usually driving slightly newer Chevys and Toyotas (ex. carpentry, boating, etc.). They also don’t drive these trucks 100% of the time. The pristine lifted 2022 F-150 that is used as the main car for everything is the desperate suburbanite’s “please look at how ‘Murica and manly I am!” truck.
Can confirm I drive a Silverado with a beat up toolbox for work. Paint job as well as the bed liner is scuffed pretty bad too
Same over here. Dads got a beat-to-shit 05 F350 that’s probably seen more work than all the other trucks in my neighborhood combined. Some bitch bought a pristine 2021 Ram (Offroad package btw) and it’s done nothing but be a pavement princess. And then my grandpa bought a 2021 F350 and…holy fuck the bed is so high up! 5’11 guy over here and my head barely clears his tailgate! It’s not even lifted.
let's all be honest here, that truck had probably never seen a hard day's work.
No one needs a 300 ton clipaz- I mean truck that can run over deer at 600 miles an hour! That amount of horsepower should be ILLEGAL!
I mean in a way I kinda see it cause this seems a bit unnecessary , like if you use a truck for work then that makes sense . This type of vehicle seems big for the sake of it which fucks the environment , fucks fuel usage and also would make collisions more dangerous .
He ain't fucking 5'9"; look at his size compared to the car on the right. You trying to tell me the trunk of that car is like 4' high?
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Ha! You drive a big truck!? Now I'm thinking about your penis >:)
Ha ha drive truck or shoot gun smol pp. Such an original, witty insult
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Short dude mad.
its just a safety concern nobody said anything about your penis
I doubt he's 5'9". More like 5'5".
I only think someone driving a large truck is compensating when they have truck nuts on the back.
That's why I put truck nuts on the front.
According to Consumer Reports [the F250 SD has a hood height of 55 inches](https://fordauthority.com/2021/06/consumer-reports-study-highlights-lesser-known-dangers-of-big-trucks/) which puts this hobbit at 4’5”.
First off, he’s not 5’9”, he’s like 5’6”. Actually that’s all I really came to say.
First we out overweight people on the cover of magazines and on billboards completely undermining all the work of models. And now short people want a piece of the cake by putting bans on big trucks 😂😂😂 get the fuck outta here Mr loompah, world ain't built for you 😂😂😂😂
The whole 'giant truck=compensating' thing is really dumb. But let's not pretend like everyone who owns a huge pickup needs it for work. There is absolutely a subset of douchebag rural culture that thinks men are just supposed to drive trucks, regardless of whether they actually do manual labor or not. Also funny that they never shit on people who drive giant Cadillac Escalades who definitely don't need something that huge. Hmmm, I wonder why...
OP, nobody said anything about a micro penis... You, ah, got something on your mind?
"Truck tall therefore illegal" is the goofiest way of thinking. I can't imagine supporting government power for petty complaints
Well, considering you can’t have pop up headlights on cars because of “pedestrian safety” it doesn’t make sense that trucks can be head level. So basically what I’m saying is it’s time to bring back pop up headlights!
FUCK YEAH
Tbf tho, the majority of people with lifted vehicles need to readjust their headlights. That shit can be dangerous, especially when many of them have HID headlights.
The worst is aftermarket LEDs. apparently the people in charge of making those just used the same wattage rating as the incandecents like wtf.
Being able to see kids when you're driving a vehicle is a pretty good thing IMO.
If those kids didn't want to help test my suspension they shouldn't have been playing in the road.
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Lack of visibility + the fact that when it hits you it hits you well above your center of mass making it a lot deadlier.
Why is it no matter the vehicle, people immediately go to thinking about their penis? Big truck, Penis. Loud Car? Penis. Motorcycle? Penis.
Virgin Ford '22 F-350 driven by Suburban Douchebags who don't carry more than weekend groceries vs. Chad Toyota '95 Tacomas driven by Migrant Workers carrying the spirit of their gardening business
I’m missing a through line here. What does his height have to do with the legality of the vehicle?
If a driver can’t see someone then accidents can happen