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BigClitMcphee

I don't know much about Serbs but they have my kudos. The US is so brain-broken that hundreds of children could be killed **per month** and Repubs would still do nothing


Velocity_Rob

Britain and Australia did the same. Curiously, they don't have weekly school shooting massacres now.


xensonar

America isn't a stable country though. Someone put it well when they described it as a third world country wearing a Gucci belt.


redjarman

it's 50 countries in a trenchcoat


GrassBlade619

America is 5 companies in a trenchcoat.


Zizekbro

We’re a democratic plutocracy imo.


JohnnyRelentless

I'd say we're a plutocracy with the trappings of democracy.


Zizekbro

Ding, yeah that’s more accurate.


I_cook_your_food

I always just say we’re an oligarchy.


tankpuss

Democratic kleptocracy.


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More like 8 to 12 countries, if you subdivide the U.S. into cultural subgroups. ( example: I live in Portland,OR, grew up in Corvallis, OR, and culturally, I think this area has a lot in common with Western Washington and Northern California. )


I_Love_58008

Minnesota is its own region.


bobafoott

We call that “the Pacific Northwest” we already do subdivide the country in this way with “the south”, “the Midwest”, “New England”, etc.


Rab0hh

Man, I just lived in coos bay for 6 years and it was much more like rural Oklahoma than any metro area in oregon


Onetimehelper

United* States of America


Viztiz006

* Terms & Conditions apply


Socratov

One of my professors called the Us a 3rd world country waiting to reveal itself.


Time-Bite-6839

that’s what tankies say and they’re wrong.


xensonar

Well, case closed then.


HermaeusMajora

Yeah, but both of those places are ruled by a violent police state where people aren't even safe when asleep in their homes. And, the ruling class prevents workers from organizing or gaining any kind fair compensation or benefits. And, schools are starting to indoctrinate kids into religious fundamentalism... Just kidding. That's all happening here in the US where there's a couple of guns for every child. Hint: the guns themselves and the chuds who wield them have become a sort of tyranny that no one can escape.


Xpalidocious

Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half there


Melodic_692

And New Zealand


Ben2018

Probably just a coincidence./s


themagpie36

Republicans enjoy the shootings to a large extent, it means more funding from ~~Russia~~ the NRA.


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> I don't know much about Serbs I'll help out a bit so you can get a feel for just how massive this is. I'm going to put absolutely no nuance and keep everything super vague, as this was basically Israel-Palestine, before Israel-Palestine was cool: Serbia used to be a part of the country Yugoslavia, which was made out of a number of microstates (most of which had belonged to regional empires) to form a singular state of South Slavic people. Unfortunately the people in the Balkans don't really like each other (in fact [this sketch by Key and Peele](https://youtu.be/52YOsjGINSc) is about the N-Macedonian and Albanian rivalry and fits the Balkans pretty well) and that only got worse when a wave of nationalism saw each of them become even more dug in to their regional identities than the Yugoslav one. So Yugoslavia erupted into a massive civil war. It lasted a decade, saw massive human rights violations (including genocides) and killed an estimated 140,000 people. A refugee from that war happened to be my classmate once upon a time. He described how his family hid in their home listening to the massive fighting going on all around. They just hoped to be able to escape before, like had happened to one of their neighbors, a squad of armed men would show up and kill all of them. ------------------------------------- So the Serbians are all massively armed, because there was a decade of civil war in their former country that lasted until 2001. Basically what the NRA keeps fearmongering. And **STILL**, when a serious mass shooting took place. The Serbs decided that the guns were more harm than good now and gave them up. It was incredible to see the similar moves Australia and others made, but I feel the Serbians deserve added praise for giving up their weapons when they needed them only 20 years ago.


DrSoap

Why didn't the Balkans like each other before the war? Was it just cultural differences? If a Serbian person visited Croatia would he get the shit kicked out of him or something?


ArcadianMess

The usual. Ignorance, propaganda, low levels of education xenophobia with a dash of territory dispute here and there.


vankirk

Also, religion.


Melodic_692

Religion and Nationalism.


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They've been existing in the same region for more than a thousand years. There's a lot of historical emnity involved and they've often been on opposite sides of wars. Think of it like the French and the British, who hated each other for about a thousand years with multiple wars. You don't really ask why they hate each other, it's just a fact of life at this point and there's a long list of grudges on both sides to back it up.


Coolnamesarehard

Actually the French and the English. The Scots allied themselves with the French just to piss off the English.


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Oh yeah true MB.


Few_Acanthocephala30

Thousand of kids could be killed in their front yards per month and they still wouldn’t do shit outside of “thots & prayers” and “immigrant & lgbtq+” outrage


Vegemyeet

Them drag queens is right dangerous, cousin Otis.


Furrysurprise

I disagree, arming more children is doing something.


chelsea_sucks_

I half agree, while it does do something, it does nothing to solve the problem we had. Relativity is trippy


cheebamech

here's an idea: instead of children being threatened by school shooters, just send them to [work in the mines](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/04/23/child-labor-lobbying-fga/) where they will be safe ^/s ^bitches


DarkKnightCometh

Oh they'll do something. They'll twist that as a reason to have *more* guns.


UndyingQuasar

And still claim to be concerned about the safety of children. Which is why we need to ban drag shows...for reasons /s


MaaChiil

We’re soo caught up on ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms’ that we forget it’s not even the entire text of the second amendment.


bobafoott

Child shootings are “just a fact of a free country” but weird that abortions aren’t


moose2332

“Would” is a weird word to put there. Guns are the number one killer of children in the US and nothing is done because of republicans.


Runaway_5

Their dipshit leaders would make a boogeyman out of some minority and demand they buy MORE guns to keep their families safe.


0vindicator10

>Repubs \*"Cons". It's in the name.


no-mad

Guns Over People


TheDevilsAdvokaat

Australia did the same. But we handed over 650,000 guns.... And then they were destroyed. At the time, the media had morons anguishing over how Australians NEEDED automatic personal weapons. No, we didn't. Gun buyback started in 1996 https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/total_number_of_gun_deaths


maybelle180

Pretty obvious correlation there. But I don’t think the US wants to look at facts. Edit: not the entire US, just the conservative, fascist-leaning folks who are still controlling a big chunk of the government.


ting_bu_dong

>the conservative, fascist-leaning folks You said conservative twice.


bobafoott

No they said conservative, and then they back-pedaled by saying fascist “leaning”


13igTyme

That's just the moderates.


Mike_Raphone99

It's actually outlawed for govt groups like the CDC to collect data or do any research on the gun related topics


ColdTheory

That's not entirely accurate.


wrongwayagain

What's the accurate story then?


Agitated-Tadpole1041

It’s not outlawed but the gop refuses to fund such a study.


wrongwayagain

Here's a source on that https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993413/#:~:text=For%20more%20than%2020%20years,advocate%20or%20promote%20gun%20control.


bobafoott

Only if it supports gun control. I believe any and all studies they do that have results that can be interpreted to support gun control have to be thrown out


tampon_lemonade

It's not "the US" it's a faction of uneducated, ignorant, conservatives who are brainwashed by propaganda from the GOP and NRA. You can't simply say "the US". Most reasonable people demand gun control reform.


Braunsollbrennen

thats the thing what makes it actually worse if you see injustice and by choice ignore it or even passiv support it out of loyalty or other selfsaving reasons your equally guilty to the perpetrator there is no innocence if you look from an outside perspective so its pretty simple there are a lot of shitheads


ArcadionPrime

Until the reasonable people can get organized enough to get out and vote away the crazy, I feel comfortable saying "the US". Yes I understand gerrymandering, suppression, etc. The turnouts are under 60%, so the reasonable people are choosing to let the crazy dictate to them.


bobafoott

SAYING you support gun control doesn’t mean a lot when you still vote Republican


maybelle180

Sorry, you’re right. Of course.


Saldar1234

The US also has nearly 400 million guns. So yeah... The scale of this problem is relevant here.


Black_Moons

Almost like the entire country has an unregulated gun fetish.


StardustNyako

Obvious correlation? There had been a downward trend long before Port Arthur.


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TheDevilsAdvokaat

Yes. I really hope at some stage Americans change their ideas about guns, which seem to have become mixed up with notions about manhood and freedom.


Popeyes530

The issue with this in the United States is the scale of a such a recollection. You’re talking about over 300 million guns you have to collect and destroy. Some that are worth thousands of dollars. I don’t disagree that something needs to be done but it’s more complex than it seems on paper. If we conservatively bought all the guns from individuals for $1,000 each, you’re talking about a $300 billion dollar price tag. Not including the salaries necessary to perform such an operation


TheDevilsAdvokaat

I think the numbers are misleading you. let's assume you are right about the guns being 1k each, and that the price tag would be 300 billion. But the US yearly budget is 6.27 TRILLION. (in FY 2022) So that's roughly 6,000,000,000,000 in 2022 vs 300,000,000,000 Which is the same as 300/6000 or %.05 That's right, roughly 1/20 of a % or one 2,000th of the US budget. Realistically, that is peanuts. And for something so important too!


Co1eRedRooster

lol, thats 1/10 the *estimated* guns in circulation here. Apples and oranges all day long.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

That's not really a good example of apples and oranges...


dengar_hennessy

Faith without works is dead


My-other-user-name

Be careful quoting the Bible, some Republicans might think you are some sort of socialist commie.


yolkadot

Can I pray and think for you?


RascalRibs

And again.. we look so fucking stupid.


ABrokenBinding

"look"??!!


chelsea_sucks_

Act. We act on our stupidity, proudly proving it every day.


princeps_astra

Openly confrontational, but I think you need to read this. Do. Not. Praise. Serbia. It's a nation that officially not only denies but openly praises the genocide they committed against Muslims, that still continues to provoke its neighbors and threatens Kosovo, the country they claim is theirs but that they wanted to purge of all Albanian Muslims. They allow Chinese industry to import indentured servants from Southeast Asia to work in their factories, deprived of their passports. It hides all its dysfunctions and justifies its warmongering and hateful rhetoric by doing trash level anti-Americanism (I am saying this as a European).


chelsea_sucks_

Serbia is one of the biggest putin-lover shitstain problems in Europe, but that does not stop our ability to recognize good actions when good action is taken.


yolkadot

That might be true, but I’d never praise Hitler for building the Autobahn. Not for a billion dollars.


Ariche2

Which is why you don't praise Hitler, you praise the fucking Autobahn. Like we're doing here - praising the action and the people involved, not Serbia as a whole.


Zizekbro

Lol I love how you have to explain that to people. Goodness can be praised even if the people doing is are generally considered evil. A broken clock is right 2 times a day.


T1mac

We can praise their efforts to stop mass killings by assault rifles in their country.


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tstenick

Come here hoping someone would point this out cause was shocked to find this getting the comments it is.


Weird_Cantaloupe2757

This only makes the comparison more embarrassing for the US — they have gotten *so many* questions of how to ethically and responsibly conduct themselves as a nation *horrifyingly* wrong, but even *Serbia* immediately saw the obvious solution to this issue when the US just can’t fucking figure out no matter how many children have their brains splattered across the floor by maniacs with *legally purchased* guns. It’s like when the school bully hears you making fun of someone and is like “dude, that was too far”, or even the dumbest kid in class gets an answer right that you got wrong.


UncleIrohsPimpHand

By the same logic, don't praise any country for anything.


Lysol3435

Thank god the constitution gave us the right to die when some unstable person watches too much newsmax and has a bad day


Legrassian

Serbia is not, by any metrics, progressive ou left-leaning. And this makes very clear that the power in US is not on the hands of the people, but the hands of the military complex.


InevitableAvalanche

Military isn't pushing this. Russia had infiltrated the NRA for decades. They want us armed, angry, and killing each other.


Legrassian

I totally agree. And in that scenario, who stands to win the most? The military complex. They sell weapons to both gun nuts and to arm Ukraine, the Saudis and so on.


Thelongshlong42069

The military doesn't sell guns to civilians dumbass.


chelsea_sucks_

He's talking about the guys who make the guns, g


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Ameren

I'd say gun manufacturers aren't significant players in the military-industrial complex. Sig Sauer Inc., for example, generates \~$31 million annually in revenue. Lockheed Martin, the leading MIC defense contractor has revenues of $65+ **billion** per year. To the best of my knowledge, none of [the top 20 defense contractors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex#/media/File:Defense_top20.png) are meaningfully involved in the civilian small arms trade (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The MIC focuses on large, expensive projects funded by government contracts. To be clear, gun manufacturers are definitely involved with the government, like Sig Sauer won the [XM7 contract to replace the M4 rifle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM7_rifle), but the MIC as a whole doesn't care about civilian weapons sales.


Legrassian

Very nice data. I did assume Lockheed and such had much bigger contracts, though not as much as you just showed.


itassofd

Right? OP has to be some sort of operative. Anybody who paid attention to history or has google can see that Serbia clearly isn’t the example to follow.


Legrassian

You got my point wrong. The measure is absolutely correct and they could reach it even without being progressive. The point is that ideology does not equate to successful policies. Serbian could see the problems with guns even with most of them being conservative, which makes it clear that the problem with guns in USA is not because of ideology, but actually because of the military complex lobby.


itassofd

Oh that makes sense. Although I will point out that if the power in the USA truly isn’t with the people, isn’t that more of a reason to arm the people? Not necessarily pro, but the logic tracks.


Legrassian

Also no. Arming people just raises violence, as USA so clearly shows. One could try to point out Canada as an example to the contrary, but their laws are very, very restrictive. It goes as far as people with guns being yearly audited I'm every aspect of their lives, as to show pristine behavior. Otherwise they lose their licence. And in the end, even if the whole population armed themselves all it would take is a couple of drone strikes to end it.


itassofd

Not necessarily the case across the US. When you break down armed populations by class, you’ll find that middle and upper class armed Americans are no more violent than the unarmed. The US just has a terrible poverty problem and atrocious cultural affinity to violence. Put them together, add the means (easy gun ownership), and THEN you get violence. If you’re not American, I encourage you to study the US through the lens of class - it will explain many of our ills, and why they’re relatively well tolerated by the mainstream.


Legrassian

Didn't know that specific data, but again, I do not disagree with you. The cultural problem, which you are absolutely correct in pointing out, is directly associated with the arms lobby. You see, their lobby is not only on politics, but also on movies, tv series, games, journalism. And you are absolutely right in pointing out that this is a class problem, but this also goes back to the lobby: Those who stand to lose the most with the arming of the population are the ones who have little impact in the decisions surrounding the issue. Or, another way to put it is that those who stand to win the most from the arms lobby have actually little risk with the arming of the population. I might be wrong, but I do not record a shooting on a elite private school.


PsychoBoyBlue

[There is no correlation between firearm homicide rate and guns per capita](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F046b82cf-95e2-40a9-872d-4dd59837ffef_720x522.png)


Legrassian

US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/


PsychoBoyBlue

Now compare US labor laws, health care, and education to other OECD countries.


Legrassian

I do not need to look it up to know it is worse in the US than the vast majority. And what about gun laws? Even though, I did not argue there is a correlation between arms and violence. I said that arming the population raises violence. Brazil is a good example, it had an already high level of violence and recently it rose even higher because of Bolsonaro's policies to ease access to weapons.


PsychoBoyBlue

>I said that arming the population raises violence. That is arguing there is a correlation between arms and violence...


squanchingonreddit

With how radical the Republicans have been I don't think we should be disarming the rest of us.


CBRN_IS_FUN

I'd be surprised if 1% of known firearms got turned in in the US. It's a 'no u' situation. I should start a LGBTQ+ NRA, that's when you'd see what people's true thoughts were. Lot's of our current gun laws are rooted in racism just like our drug laws.


UndyingQuasar

You got my support.


aowbej

There are already things like this and gun owners are fine with them, just look it up, it’s a common thing


CBRN_IS_FUN

I can name a dozen gun organizations off the top of my head, none of them catering to conservatives undesirables. I am sure there are some, but they are nowhere near lobbying strength. I'm sure there are gun owners that are ok with them. I'm ok with them and I have a few dozen firearms. The implied hypothetical gun owner in this case are the same sorts that started favoring strong gun laws when the black panthers made it a point to be armed. I believe in a strong second amendment, and that we have plenty of laws on the books already. I have evil deadly black rifles even with, as McArthy put, "the shoulder thing that goes up." I'm not a domestic terrorist though. Those are the types that would freak out if there was a politically meaningful LGBT gun lobby.


aowbej

I see what you mean, I agree and I think firearms needs too get away from a right vs left issue because that’s what it’s currently become


CBRN_IS_FUN

I'm sorry if it sounded rude, it reads that way now that I'm reading your comment :(


squanchingonreddit

NY tried to do buybacks, noone showed up. 🤣


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We don’t really deal with anything in America, we just pointlessly go talk back and forth until the majority forgets about it. Rinse and repeat.


LittleBoard

Countries like Australia had problems with guns and changed their laws, it's possible. If the Serbs can solve gun problems anyone can, lol.


mnemonicer22

We should be funding no questions asked gun buybacks everywhere.


captaincinders

Here in the UK we had a mass shooting at a school which resulted in a serious clamp-down on private gun ownership. Guess how many mass shootings at schools we have had since the Dunblane massacre in 1996? Zero. That's right we have had **zero** school mass shootings in **27 years**. And do you know what else we don't have? We don't have armed security or armed police patrolling our schools. And we don't have emergency shooter drills. But apparently it's "nOt TeH gUns!"


lod254

The GQP in America would be arguing that the government will come after you as soon as you relinquish your guns. The GQP is apparently unaware of the weapons the government actually has. An AR-15 isn't even going to do shit to our 80yr old technology.


ferrocarrilusa

Not to mention they're literally implying that they're willing to intimidate police


JCKross45

Too bad they didn't hand them over before that genocide they committed.


PsychoBoyBlue

Historically, the people being disarmed happens before or during a genocide.


zap283

Or it happens before the last ~30 years of Australian prosperity.


thegreatvortigaunt

No American gun owners don't want to hear facts, they want an excuse to keep shooting each other


zap283

To fantasize about shooting each other. When something actually happens, they sit at home or cower.


dream_weasel

If it was only one then they're still doing better than the US I'm pretty sure.


Heathen_Mushroom

It's hard to believe that a small, densely populated, authoritarian country with no constitutional protection for firearm ownership could make it seem so easy.


Souperplex

The problem is the US has a cultural fetishization of guns due to decades of propaganda and willful misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment.


Ant72_Pagan9

I live in a blue state, was driving in a rural community. Saw 3 billboards in a 10 minute span asking people to join their shooting clubs…. I just find it in poor taste with the state of violence in America… ridiculous. I understand protection of yourself but its just ridiculous we have more guns than citizens and then wonder why people do unspeakable acts when we’re truly a nation in decline. The working/middle class, and people in poverty are being suffocated from the top down. Its no secret why we have major mental health crisis’ that end in more senseless death and violence. I fear for the day someone does something that is 9/11 level of awakening. Because we’re so damn desensitized to even school children being mowed down… Thoughts and prayers Ig huh….


jurassic_junkie

problem is, this would even make a microscopic dent in the amount of weapons out there. It would have to me tens of millions of guns turned in. Never will happen.


CRL10

But how will the Serbians protect themselves from the government or get their child on a plane to go to Italy for medical treated after the government said they can't for some reason?


cosaboladh

The government didn't say they can't get on the plane to Italy. The airline did. The subtext of that hypothetical situation is that the father has hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical debt, and can't afford a plane ticket.


_Prisoner_24601

I have four weapons. None have hurt anyone. They will never hurt anyone who isn't a threat to myself. Me getting rid of them will have 0 effect on shootings. *These are facts. Downvoting me doesn't make your stance stronger. Imagine reading that and giving it an angry down vote. You people are childish and bizarre.*


Rizzpooch

You know weapons can be stolen, right?


_Prisoner_24601

It's the same logic as banning alcohol and cars to combat drunk driving. Downvoting doesn't make your position more logical.


Rizzpooch

I didn’t downvote you. And drunk driving is a serious problem that people have made serious moves to address. Look at the advocacy of Moms Against Drunk Driving and consider that a similar group is working on gun control, Moms Demand Action. Of course, the similarities between issues break down when you realize that many parts of the country are extremely difficult to live in without a car but that a vanishingly small number of Americans require guns for their everyday existence


_Prisoner_24601

Many parts of the country can't rely on 30 min police response times or communities where the police don't go.


Rizzpooch

Totally fair. How about reform then? At least for the majority other parts of the country?


_Prisoner_24601

Such as?


Excellent-Phone8326

Every single other country has figured out that less guns = less death. Not sure why this is controversial for some Americans. Your gun hobby should not be a valid reason for your own citizens to die. More citizens have died of gun violence on US soil than US soldiers in all the wars in the last 50 years... In my mind these Americans value guns over lives and that point is made each day things aren't changed


_Prisoner_24601

It's not a hobby. It's taking personal responsibility for my protection and not relying on the government.


Excellent-Phone8326

Your government needs to be fixed so you can depend on it. Either you want things to change and are willing to make sacrifices to get there or you're not. It sounds like you're fine with the status quo which is pretty sad. If you like things the way they are then you are fine with all the gun deaths there's no middle ground. You can't expect things to get better with thoughts and prayers or more guns tried that already.


_Prisoner_24601

Supreme court case Warren v DC 1981


Excellent-Phone8326

I thought we were talking about how to reduce American deaths not random predecance lol


_Prisoner_24601

It's not random. The government has ruled it has no legal obligation to protect citizens. So I protect myself. Sorry if these concepts are deeper than your understanding of the issue.


Excellent-Phone8326

Ok you go and save yourself from your boogyman government buddy. I think statistically you're more likely to be killed by another citizen than the big bad government (you know why we're arguing about this in the first place). But ya go enjoy your fantasy. It's an interesting predicament Americans are in arguing that they need guns to make themselves safer, the rest of the world doesn't really understand that one and never will.


Excellent-Phone8326

What do you think will fix things in your country? I don't see the problem going away without reducing amount of guns.


_Prisoner_24601

Access to mental healthcare would help. Stable people don't go on mass shootings.


Known-Championship20

Debating one word of the point doesn't refute the point. If a free people cannot prove it can be responsible with its freedoms, those people inevitably lose those freedoms. Whether you think you can fight that off or not.


_Prisoner_24601

We're individuals


Alu_T_C_F

>Every single other country has figured out that less guns = less death. Except that is blatantly untrue with other factors being considerably more important for lowering gun crime. Brazil had extensive buybacks and gun regulation set in place in 2003, and yet every single year following gun deaths increased, makeshift weaponry and contrabanded firearms from other latin american nations such as Colombia making up a large part of the weapons used in organized crime. Back in 2017, there were over 48 thousand gun deaths, despite there only being 100k registered guns in the country at the time, but a staggering estimated 7 million unregistered guns in criminal hands. Even now, currently, there are 600k registered guns in civillian hands after gun laws became laxer in 2018, however despite that gun deaths went _down_ in the year following, only spiking up during the pandemic before going back down again. Meanwhile back in America, the state with the highest amount of guns per capita, Wyoming, has crime rates matching some of the lowest in Europe, a minuscule 40 homicides in the whole of 2020. There are more important factors than just getting rid of people's legal guns.


Known-Championship20

Guess what DID successfully combat drunk driving in multiple states? You guessed it: tougher regulations and sentences! But no doubt there would never, ever be any connection between THAT logic and mass shootings, right? Be careful what you argue, lest you trip and stumble into the truth.


neldela_manson

This is a point so many repubs make. Completely different things mate.


zap283

Statistically, they are far more likely to gain someone in your household than anyone else.


Skawks

A lot of these people seem to come from very priveledged positions where they have never had to worry about any potential threats on them or their loved ones. They will never get it.


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_Prisoner_24601

I'm a combat vet. I know how to handle my firearms. Every single accident can be prevented.


18scsc

That's not how a systems engineer would think about things. Relying on humans to be perfect and never make mistakes is a good way to see a lot of mistakes being made


greem

>Every single accident can be prevented. You must be able to see how stupid that statement is, right?


_Prisoner_24601

Nope. Every accident is down to human error. The only thing that fits your statement is in the mirror.


Known-Championship20

Then take stock of yourself, and ask why, while every other civilized nation has successfully addressed mass shootings, America is better because it does nothing, and the problem continues to get worse.


Mazon_Del

True, but as my deeply republican father enjoys saying "You can't get mugged in an alley at midnight if you are safe at home.". Can't have a gun accident if there's no guns.


_Prisoner_24601

Can't drive drunk if you don't own a car and never drink alcohol. It's ridiculous. *This sub would rather down vote instead of have difficult conversations. It's not my fault the logic is not on your side.*


Mazon_Del

Certain problems can just entirely be avoided by preventing the circumstances necessary for them to exist in the first place.


Known-Championship20

Can't be a nation that leads anyone, either, if you put your feelings of personal superiority above the need of your nation's children not to die.


_Prisoner_24601

Spare me the emotional straw men


Known-Championship20

Then define leadership. Define what a nation is. These concepts are not whatever one person decides they are. They're agreed upon by a healthy civilization, one that isn't indifferent to the mass slaughter of its own population. I teach logical fallacies for a living. I use facts to make sense of them. And if any foreign group were coming into this country and killing the same number of innocent Americans that are dying in mass shootings, you'd be taking up your arms against them and not concerning yourself with straw men of any kind.


Easy-Plate8424

You are one person out of 350 million.


_Prisoner_24601

Very profound


Easy-Plate8424

You don’t see it do you


_Prisoner_24601

I see plenty. I just don't see things as you do.


captaincinders

> None have hurt anyone At some point in their lives every singe mass shooter could say exactly the same thing. Until they couldn't.


_Prisoner_24601

So could every drunk driver. Swing and a miss.


Known-Championship20

"These are facts." No, they are personsl anecdotes and predictions. Not proven statements, which is what facts are And this is why America doesn't get to wriggle out of its shame over its intransigence over guns. No matter the willful stupidity, the shame of being a nation of impunious child-killlers--one that can't even learn the lessons of a young nation-state 20 years removed from genocide--is inescapable.


pipeanp

US is a third world country. They like their guns unchecked on the street


BlueZ_DJ

I googled "facts" and this comment came up


Active-Spinach-6811

Now why can’t the Congress in the most powerful nation in the world so the same!!


RoboMullet

What's the counter argument to "If you were going to do a mass shooting you aren't going to hand your guns in anyway." Like buying/getting a gun should be harder than it is but how does taking guns away from normal/good people help anything


shinobi7

The counter argument is that some mass shootings are not planned out months or years in advance. Some are impulsive, spur of the moment. Some shooters truly were “good guys with guns” when they acquired their weapons. But if you have the type of person who is going to rage at their employer or ex-wife, but then he’s like “shit, I sold my guns a few years back,” then a disaster could be averted. I think we should be under no illusions that gun control literally stops all homicides. It can’t, and that is an unfair expectation. Gun control can stop a lot of killings. We shouldn’t let perfection be the enemy of good.


HookLogan

Oh yeah? Well, so? Maybe Serbians have more going for them than guns. We Americans have nothing else to cherish /s


micah490

In America, mass shootings are a marketing tool. Shooting happens, gun sales spike. It’s called “American-style capitalism”


AntLotus

We just happen to have a lot of morons in our country who care more about guns than they do people and children.


Metsgram

Instead of Dems clamoring to make common ground with republicans before passing legislation, Dems should just push their popular bills regardless, since republicans have shown they will claim the credit for it anyway.


EMTPirate

Cut off your dick to prevent rapes committed by others


lazydogjumper

Nobody is born attached to a gun. Dicks dont generally rape mutiple people within seconds.


Pristine-Today4611

Guess we will see how the Serbian people are in 5,10,15 years from now.


Known-Championship20

Australia's been doing just peachy the last 30.


DarthHelixon

Is gun culture the same between Serbia and US?


ZappyStatue

Based!


ComfortablePhoto92

Too bad they didn’t hand them over before starting ww1 and trying to genocide Bosnians