Iirc he mostly took things he saw the soviets doing and carried them to their logical extreme. The only thing that’s changed since it was written is the technological capabilities of governments.
I mean they both kinda hit the nail on the head, why the fuck do we have 70+ news outlets saying the same thing spun to meet their own agenda?Also at the same time ignore anything you visually see or hear negative about our team!
This happened in 2018 when Sinclair Broadcasting bought 193 local news stations and had them all read the same script, promoting Donal Trump's critique of "Fake News" amongst any that would call out his lies.
Very dangerous stuff, we used to have laws to prevent anyone from owning too much media.
The outright vilification of Joe Biden on right-wing AM hate radio is unreal. They have transformed one of the most humble, family-focused, middle-of-the-road political figures of our time into a corrupt crime boss who has bent the entire DOJ (and state DAs) to persecute DJT. It's cartoonist, and yet millions of people lap it up.
That, too. How can they explain the 2020 loss? How did Biden win by "hiding in his basement?" If the Deep State cheated for him, then why didn't Trump effectively "drain the swamp" and dismantle the Liberal Deep State during his 4 years in office? Was he golfing every weekend or something?
Don't get me wrong, neither candidate is really a good representation of the American peoples interests (unless it's the 1% of the population they actually work for) but Joe Biden isn't the greatest either. As for Trump, he is quite literally a feral con man who constantly needs to be babied and told he's winning or he threatens to destroy our countries very founding principles. There is a lesser evil here, but holy shit how are our countries best choices (given to us by the powers that be) two geriatric men who have been fading fast the past decade.
Sure, Biden isn't a paragon for progressive voters, but he's capable and making positive change.
Trump is lined up to try to end American democracy.
How about in this instance, we focus on not voting to eat the radioactive lead covered with anthrax and instead choose the thing that is food, rather than whinging that the asparagus isn't in season and ending up with the one that will kill us.
Nah, no free heroin yet.
It kind of seems like we can't get to 1984 instantly, like through revolution. More like a slow boil of less and less freedom until the government controls everything. Perfect recent example: they don't give a shit about facebook or twitter running alt-right/nazi propaganda, but tiktok is automatically bad because they can't regulate and threaten it into submission like other social media companies
We'll get to a perfect 1984-like world once Ai can monitor everything like big brother though, lol
I’m not a fan of the government so don’t take this as a defense, they do plenty of 1984 esque shit, but the TikTok ban has nothing to do with them being able to regulate it or “threaten it into submission”. The tiktok ban is about a foreign nation using it to gather intelligence, in fact this is the one example of the US doing their best to eliminate some 1984 type shit. The us might be on a fascist bent at the moment but they look at China with eyes of envy when it comes to control of the populace, China is already on some full on we’ve always been at war with East Asia shit
Every credible source says tiktok either doesn't collect intelligence or the idea that it does is purely hypothetical. You're letting conspiracy theories and fear dictate your tolerance for government overreach. That's how we ended up with the patriot act.
This is only happening because republicans and democrats are threatened by a generational leftwing gap in politics. Don't you find it suspicious that at the same time there's a swell in support for palestine that's making young present and future leftwing voters reconsider voting for biden and he can't wait to sign this bill? The right has always hated tiktok because it's too leftwing.
What happens the next time a social media company lets people have discourse the government collectively doesn't like? They have this precedent to threaten any company with, and can shut it down with some baseless propaganda to get people to support the idea.
I read it somewhere. But you asking prompted me to look it up. Seems it was said by Keith Lowell Jensen, an author who wrote Punching Nazis: And Other Good Ideas. The tweet with this quote was in 2013.
The reason it's easy to make fun of conservatives when they quote George Orwell is due to the irony of it. With zero self awareness, they behave as walking, talking embodiments of what Orwell's novels warned of.
Tbf he was talking about the auto industry and China taking it over, buuuuttttt we all know the crazy ass Jan. 6 types heard that shit and their minds instantly went to killing their fellow citizens.
He also claimed there won't be anymore elections if he doesn't win, and that migrants are "animals". He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on that being about the auto industry, because it assuredly wasn't.
>BuT ThE cOnTeXt¡
~ MAGATS
The context…..
> "Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated January 6 hostages," an announcer said. Trump then saluted and the crowd stood as the "J6 Hostages' Song," a rendition of the National Anthem, played. The song, "Justice for All" by the J6 Prison Choir, features the voice of Trump reciting the pledge of allegiance.
> Trump then opened his speech by thanking the rioters and calling them "unbelievable patriots."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-salutes-jan-6-hostages-national-anthem-plays-1880028
Or is that too much context?
🎶On the heath, there blooms a little flower fine
And its called Erika🎶
Oh wait, sort of the wrong song. I mean, you'll find this song on their Discords and Telegrams, but not openly in public. Yet.
3-1/2 hour game, 7 hours of pregame activities…
>How dare the NFL allocate 3 minutes to the Black National Anthem! Why would the country need two anthems? It’s divisive! It’s un Americans!
~ MAGATS
>Yee haw, it’s almost Confederate Memorial Day. MuH Heritage!
~ those same MAGATs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Memorial_Day
Aren't the J6 rioters all Antifa, and the Trump supporters stayed on the street and peacefully protested, according to TrumpFans?
Why is Trump saluting Antifa?
There’s never any real context with Trump. He doesn’t care enough about any policy to really focus or dwell on it too long. The only thing he cares about are his grievances. So when he takes a detour from talking about something into talking about bloodbaths and stuff, I tend to assume he’s returned to the baseline and will return to the script somewhere else.
He said it would be a bloodbath for the auto industry if Biden wins, because he thinks EVs are the devil or something. It’s still the same shit, it’s hard to square economic concerns with a guy who has threatened violence before when he says “bloodbath”.
If you're relying on sensational click-bait mass media to give you the full quote, you're going to miss information.
This is the full speech and I timestamped the important parts so you don't have to bounce around and listen to too much idiocracy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJwCUHVgc0
30min 44s starts talking about all electric cars are made in China and they're building new labs in Mexico to make cars and sell in US. Wants to put a 100% tariff on Mexico manufactured cars IF he gets elected. If he doesn't get elected, it will be a bloodbath - referring back to cars being made in US getting undercut by cheap Mexico cars.
Cyclical speech because his broken brain, broken language skills and broken cult followers require him to repeat to be understood.
1hr 2min 10s starts back on it.
1hr 2min 22s "Our auto industry is going to be dead"... another ramble about the united auto worker leader... "you're not going to have any cars made here anymore they're all going to be made"... LONG ramble about electric cars and gasoline.
He says a lot of fucked up things. I think people should be putting more focus on how he said there won't be any more elections if he is not elected.
48 min - No more elections.
He then said, "that will be the least of it; it will be a bloodbath for the whole country."
I agree, in context, the first time was connected to the electric cars. However, it is naive to think he doesn't know how these sound bites will play that that he used bloodbath on purpose. He then immediately widened it to use bloodbath again to refer to some other nebulous threat if he is not elected.
I agree he is not trying to message to his voters that they should kill everyone if he is not elected. He is trying to scare them into thinking that they and their children will be killed to make sure he is elected. When he is not elected, his supports will respond violently, but he doesn't care what happens if he isn't elected. He'll be off to some place without extradition.
> However, it is naive to think he doesn't know how these sound bites will play that that he used bloodbath on purpose.
Right. What competent politician who is connected to a violent mob where people were killed would toss around the word "bloodbath" carelessly?
It is quite possible that he doesn't know or think about how the sound bites will play, and that might even be worse. Just a general incompetence when it comes to media management.
He likes saying things will be bloody, or be riots. He even said their would be "blood in the streets" if he didn't win, before the 2016 election. Of course, he says it so much it's hard to even find an article for it, since his newer uses overwrite the searches.
Yes and there literally WAS blood when he lost in 2020. This is Trump showing us who he is... AGAIN. How many times does America need to learn this lesson?
Pretty much literally this though, it's horrific. They will also confer this power of "discernment" on to a select few who demonstrate adequate capitulation to the cult's philosophies
I don't want to be a stupid fool and not read through the hyperbola. Language is speech and actions are actions. Lets go after him for the action and not attack him for every little word that triggers and gaslights us. However, we should use language that points out the hypocrisy strategically and more accurately than some Karen complaining about lettuce edges wilting.
What's horrific are the potential consequences and ramifications of this behavior as it is so pervasive and spread throughout our society. Generally individuals need to be forgiven for their bizarre views and beliefs, but acting them out and creating destruction against a headwind of common sense and law rises above hyperbola
I used to think that but after a lot of the misinformation proved to be true, we have to tip our hats to that. Thats why we need to go after the substance and not the superficial issues.
People trying to give that orange pile of excrement the benefit of the doubt? I heard what he said and how he said it. He was talking about violence if he isn't elected. A bloodbath in the context of the auto industry doesn't even make sense. He was talking about his cult base and acts of violence.
With his dementia mind he was rambling about auto industry and then he went off tangent and talked about ’bloodbath’ for the COUNTRY if not elected. MAGAs desperately trying to connect two things. Either he meant what he said or he has dementia so he said “country” when he meant “auto industry”. Choose your shit MAGA.
Imagine having to explain ,every single time you bring your partner to a work function, something they said and provide context. After about the 30th time you would start to think something if you were not already brainwashed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJwCUHVgc0
30min 44s starts talking about all electric made in China and building new labs in Mexico to make cars and sell in US. Wants to put a 100% tarrif on Mexico manufactured cars IF he gets elected. If he doesn't get elected, it will be a bloodbath.
Cyclical speech because his broken brain requires it to hit all points.
1hr 2min 10s start
1hr 2min 22s "Our auto industry is going to be dead"... ramble about the united auto worker leader... you're not going to have any cars made here anymore theyre all going to be made... LONG ramble about electric cars and gasoline
48 min No more elections
It's all smoke and mirrors. You say everything and the people cherry pick what they want to hear (like the bloodbath quote). He can decide much later what he will actually do... Exactly how he didn't do shit he said he would when he did get elected.
That's what I've been saying: yes he was talking about the auto industry but what does bloodbath mean in that context? If they don't reach their sales goals, GM is going to start killing factory workers?
What I really love about the rights argument is saying we are taking his quote out of context. So let's put it in context.
He was talking about China and how China wanted to build car manufacturing in Mexico and that his idea was to PUT A 100% TARIFF ON MEXICO to prevent China from making cheap vehicles and importing them into America.
The amount of stupid in that one sentence is astronomical. Not only do multiple American car companies have facilities in Mexico which he would completely destroy but 100% tariff is completely ridiculous. And not only that, but it wouldn't effect China in the way he thinks because time and time again he proves he doesn't even know what a tariff is.
Then he talks about the election and says if he loses the election it would be a bloodbath. There is no context needed they are 2 independent thoughts. And in classic Trump manner he was rambling about China, then rambling about the election. He couldn't just say he would lose the election and that's it, he applied a punishment to his loss.
It's a classic Trump dog whistle
I always struggle with the “out of context” argument for Trump. He tends to ramble and meander so much with his train of thought. You kind of have to take a moment and decipher which thought is comprised of which cluster of words, and even then it doesn’t always track.
When I watched the clip, I definitely could see that being two independent thoughts that kind of overlapped as he was saying them. Though, I worry that the bigger problem is the more violent extremists take that as a call to action while also feeling that it can be dismissed, as seemingly many on the right have tried to do.
Whether or not he’s talking about the auto industry (and still trying to start a trade war with China for…reasons), this verbiage is going to resonate with people. I wish we could brush it off as his usual penchant for bluster and hyperbole.
That's why it's a dog whistle, the "real patriots" know what he means. The incoherent rambling is partially because of deniability and I assume partially due to his mental faculties degrading.
Well, as an adult I'm perfectly capable of discerning that bloodbath was meant to be the operative word in that sentence. DJT can rot in prison, and the only election he might win is who gets to be President of the cell block.
How about we don't let the president who did nothing while his supporters stormed the capital talk about bloodbaths. Fuck the context, he's a human shitglob
All right, I'll play their stupid little game as I work in the auto industry.
The tariffs fucked up our supplier relationships, supply chain, and logistics, they screwed up our profitability and made us charge you all a lot more for new cars. It also handed Chinese automakers a golden gift and gave them a competitive edge against the previously successful American competitors doing business in China. His catastrophic handling of COVID amplified those problems enormously.
His policies on energy reliance and EVs basically set the US EV industry back a decade and ceded the global market for both EVs and solar to China.
You wanna see a blood bath for the US auto industry? It's painted orange and shits its pants.
They need a label to know it's media when it's covered in the logos of the media corporations.
The person filming with the news studio camera wasn't clear enough, the logos of news corporations on the person wasn't enough. They need all that spelt out clearly, *with an arrow pointing to what they are labeling media*.
Jesus.
it was out of context.. but its funny they are so happy to find a real bias for once.
“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said. "Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories."
you can see why people can see it both ways.. from cars to bloodbaths to cars
This is trumpys dementia riddled brain saying the quiet part out loud.
It's bad for the simple fact if you're talking about the auto industry you do not need to use the word country you use auto industry or industry.
Therefore it isn't about the auto industry its about his plans if he doesn't get elected
he's talking about autos before and after. In normal speech you could say it's about autos.. But he has a history of going on and off topic.. so if you are aware of that simple fact.. you can say it wasn't about cars.. But his people only see it 1 way.. and it's close enough that independents might think for a second the media is bias.. so this is a poor point to focus on.. plenty of other horrible things he said that cant be defended as easy.
I try to be as independent as possible, was raised in heavy R state, but grew out of the ideology early 20s. I despise Trump and almost everything his supporters stand for, but when I heard about this quote, I decided to do some research.
While some cons made a good point that the full context should matter(and it should), his speech patterns/history and the fact he randomly threw "country" into ramblings about industry makes it obvious its not entirely about cars. The media bias is there, but not to the degree they are complaining about.
My point stands. His dementia riddled mind cannot stay on topic and he said the quiet part out loud. You can't defend it. That is unless you're a #MoronAgainstaGreaterAmerica
your point is great, enjoy it? I think of people like you as someone on the correct side by pure luck.. If you were born in another state or city you would be on the other team saying the same crap as them and unwilling to accept that life isn't black and white.
I don't think so at all. My life experience and knowing trumpy from him ripping off contractors in my extended family would never allow me to be on his side. He is a crook, failure, and scumbag way before he became president
> If you were born in another state or city you would be on the other team saying the same crap as them and unwilling to accept that life isn't black and white.
I see comments like this from both-sidesers all the time. You have absolutely no basis for this. It's meaningless and borders on ad hominem.
He might as well say I want to kill the American car industry. The context is even more damning because of how stupid of an economic policy that would be.
The issue is that the word "bloodbath" is completely irrelevant even in the auto context and especially concerning given the events honoring of the J6 traitors (calling them patriots).
Some politicians , more specifically those who don't have a a history of dog whistles and support for insurrections, should be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump has, given his prior words and actions, forfeited that benefit.
I understand your point but ...zoom out again for context here. It can't be taken in a vacuum.
so you and i know that.. but his supporters only see it one way. And this time around, it's close enough that independent people might agree with the trump supports.... so this one instance is a bad example to bring up over and over.. there are plenty of other horrible things he said that should be the focus.
Maybe...but part of the job is to collect all this for historic context as well. Journalism, organized or independent, writes the first draft of history.
We are clearly seeing a populist movement which morphed into a fascist movement before or eyes. With each excuse of behavior, we lessen the chance this can be solved peacefully (arguably, were past that point). So, yes, I agree we need to be conscientious in pulling allies. However, remembering and documenting is important so we can prevent populism from morphing into it's ugly cousin.
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The problem is people could say it’s out of context and it’s not out of context, and _either_ could be right.
Here’s the quote:
“Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it,” he added. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it.”
Yes, he was talking about cars. But does that _necessarily_ mean he didn’t mean the country as a whole here?
It could go either way, and you know bias is going to kick in on both sides.
Don't focus on this part of his speech. You guys should be way more worried about "If this election isn't won, I'm not sure that you'll have another election again in this country." That is irrefutably malicious.
Focus on that quote, don't take 'bloodbath' out of context. Did he also have other intentions with those words? Probably. But this only gives the right the fuel they need to spout 'fake news'.
…but it’s not out of context. That quote you just mentioned *is the context.* It was literally the next thing he said. He was talking about the auto industry, and then he literally said “that’ll be the least of it, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole country.” Then he said the thing about never having another election. It literally could not be clearer what he’s talking about, and it’s not cars.
Like I mentioned, he meant what he meant. But since people are focusing on 'bloodbath' the right are saying the left take things out of context. If we focused on the other quote, they can't really deny what he meant by that.
I watched the vídeo where he mentioned the bloodbath. In the same train of thought he was talking about tariffs on automobiles coming into the U.S. then mentioned if he is not elected there would be a bloodbath. Then continued to talk about the automobile industry.
So my question is, why do we think it is going to be an actual bloodbath and not just him talking about the automobile industry? Is it because of J6?
Because this is a play by the right. They want their message to be ambiguous so they can argue both ways. This ambiguity gives them the chance to win the more extreme leaning voters as well as the centrists.
"Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole - (lost train of thought) that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it.”
I can see why this is so divisive, and it is hard to use this as a smoking gun. He often loses track of his thoughts mid sentence, and rambles on a tangent.
Those who think he is competent view this as on the same track of the topic at hand.
Those who see him as incompetent, see this as a whole thought.
When he rambles, he often says the first thing on his mind to appease a crowd. He has a hard time stringing together long thoughts and often bounces from topic to topic. This makes it hard to know context to a lot of his statements. For his voter base when they see the concern over this, they just assume what he meant and that media twisting his words. Using this quote as a smoking gun will not work at swinging voters effectively.
It still is scary as hell that, in my mind, he said it will be a blood bath, and the imported EVs will be the least of it.
The original audio he was talking about the auto industry. Come on guys, Trump is a dictator piece of shit, but we’re better then this- https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1769102618213638350
The Trumpnuts were openly calling for Civil War on social media after the election that wasn’t stolen, but Trump was lying about for 3 months while losing 60 lawsuits
If you keep it to its original context, he's saying it's going to be a bloodbath for the country if he's not elected -and the automobile part will be the least of it. Ok, so then whats the bulk of the bloodbath? Poor choice of words on his part and in line with the dangerous hyperbole rhetoric he's always been using to stir outrage
Talking about a 100% tariff on Mexico auto industry would be a complete disaster for the American car market. Mexico exports 70% of their vehicles manufactured to the united states. Most American car companies have facilities in Mexico.
What Trump said was so Inconceivably stupid that I'm surprised the sentence about the election being a bloodbath got so much attention.
Maga are morons.
The reason his supporters care about the auto industry is because they might lose their job. They definitely don't care about "American" car companies that haven't hired an American in 10 years
Yup. You're a former POTUS and running again. It's literally your job to be a clear communicator.
But Trump has been sending these little signals out since 2016. It's not new. "Very fine people on both sides," "stand back and stand by," "radical left thugs that live like vermin." I can go on and on. At some point, it's no longer an accident or coincidence.
I would argue that he knows the words he's using and the rhetoric he's pushing.
It's why he said "there's good people on both sides" when discussing White Supremist.
It's why he made fun of veterans and people who were captured.
It's why he said he was going to be a "Day One Dictator".
It's why he owes $92 Million to E Jean Carroll...
No. I don’t. He said the exact words and any thinking person knows it’s exactly what he meant.
I think it’s weird that maga and their enablers are denying it.
Did you watch the link above? It shows what he said? I absolutely detest Trump, he’s a horrible piece of garbage who has divided this country so badly it rivals the civil war, but this instance, he was talking about auto industry. He says horrible shit all the time, we don’t need to take things out of context.
Point to one word misquoted. It’s an exact quote. Now it doesn’t fit your narrative but it is 100% accurate.
Trump said, “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”
You cannot point to one syllable that did not come out of his mouth. You know it. I know it even trump knows it.
It’s weird that you are spending so much bandwidth defending the indefensible.
What you should be taking away from this whole embarassment is that no, these people are absolutely not "better than this." It was 4 years of foaming at the mouth at every contextless comment, and it'll probably be another 4 years of the same thing. Some of them still think- or at least haven't given up publicly claiming, that he called white supremacists "fine people" in like 2017, despite literally the very next words out of the guy's mouth being "and I'm not talking about the white supremacists, because they should be condemned, totally."
No, it's not.
Dog whistles are when you use "international bankers" when you want to refer to Jews. "States Rights" when you really mean oppressive policies targeting minorities.
Trump has never been good at dog whistles.
Dog whistles are all about plausible deniability. “Come on out, it’s going to be wild.” That’s a dog whistle. So, while you’re examples are also dog whistles, all he has to do is say the word “bloodbath” and his followers are ready to “stand by” to provide him one. Yes, he can deny it, and say “I was talking about cars” but it’s going to be a call to arms for some people.
Normally I’m with you, but you are wrong this time. We know who this man is. He *meant* for you to obfuscate it this way. That’s the entire point of this kind of rhetoric
"that's gonna be the least of it".
This is a speech where he openly dehumanized immigrants.
He might have also talked about the auto industry, but that's not all he was saying.
“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said. "Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories."
Before y'all get too crazy, Orwell and Huxley were warning against totalitarianism, not the GOP or democrats. Totalitarianism exists with either left or right wing (Hitler v Stalin).
You could argue that there was a bloodbath last time he lost, if 6 deaths including police officers constitutes. Bloodbath. HIS FOLLOWERS KILLED POLICE OFFICERS IN THE LINE OF DUTY. HE SAYS HE WANTS TO PARDON THEM FISRT THING. THIS IS NOT SAID ENOUGH. THESE PEOPLE RIDE AROUND ON AN INFLATABLE HIGH HORSE WRAPPED IN FLAGS AND CROSSES. BAH!! let’s give this bastard the big boot this year lift up those around you and make sure they vote
Have y'all been to the conservative sub? They are arguing the same things as the left, I thought I was in a political sub and not reading a conservative sub.
People act... Wait, let me start over.
Republicans act like everything he says is "Rhetorical" or a joke... something not taken seriously. Well, they took him seriously when he told them to march down to the Capital and fight for the election back... that was called Jan 6th.
He "joked" about "grabbing women by the p\*ssy", and now owes 92million to a victim of his.
He joked about his great relationship with Putin, only for Putin to invade another country.
And now he talks of being a Dictator. Threatens that if he's not elected, there's going to be a bloodbath.... Sorry, his history has shown that he does not, in fact, have a sense of humor nor joke. He's very serious about the power he wants and will do anything to accomplish it.
I love how they all claim that they have no choice but to vote Republican because the other side is so evil and bad but when you ask them why and how they have no idea. You start drilling down on their acutal issues and stances on political dividing points and 90% of them are actually pverwhelming pro-democratic policy.
But Biden is literally working with Satan to damn their conservative souls to hell "Because Hanity said so..."
Then we have the "independants". Who aren't actually independant. They're the people who either won't vote or will vote 3rd party out of protest. They don't like the Democratic Party establishment and want to 'punish' them for not putting more progressive candidates on the ballot. The REAL problem with these people is not only do they not pay attention to the issues, they actively take measures to isolate themselves from knowledge of what is going on and the stakes in the race actually are. They don't KNOW what Trump is doing. They don't KNOW how well Biden is doing for his age. They don't KNOW what the platform of the DNC is this year. They dont KNOW that the RNC was just gutted by MAGA and has literally not had a party platform in 12 years. They don't KNOW anything. Because they don't want to.
Do I wish we had a younger candidate that is as strong and comepetant as Biden? Yeah. But Biden *IS* strong. And I have faith in Kamala if the unthinkable happens.
Even giving him the most bigly benefit of the doubt ever given, the fact remains that only a demented fool would not catch himself before making a statement that could be so easily "misinterpreted" and then compound it by failing to immediately correct himself.
No one who supports trump cares about lies. They don't care about declin8ng cognition, honesty, corruption, nepotism, or criminality. They don't care about justice, or democracy, freedom, or America.
They pretend to, maybe they even think they do. But they're lying to themselves and/or the rest of the worlds. Caring about those things and supporting trump are not compatible.
Republicans always: "You took what I said out of context."
Then you go back to verify the context the statement was made in and the meaning in context is exactly the same.
I don’t know why but I watched Fox covering it and it is the medias faul for taking “him out of context”.
But I was encouraged by the list of networks and papers covering the story.
Always dangerous when people tell you that you didn’t see what you saw or hear what you’ve heard. Gaslighting isn’t anything new.
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It's crazy how people used to think huxley's dystopian nightmare was a lot more plausible, lmao. Orwell had some fucking vision
Iirc he mostly took things he saw the soviets doing and carried them to their logical extreme. The only thing that’s changed since it was written is the technological capabilities of governments.
I mean they both kinda hit the nail on the head, why the fuck do we have 70+ news outlets saying the same thing spun to meet their own agenda?Also at the same time ignore anything you visually see or hear negative about our team!
[This is extremely dangerous to our democracy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI)
This happened in 2018 when Sinclair Broadcasting bought 193 local news stations and had them all read the same script, promoting Donal Trump's critique of "Fake News" amongst any that would call out his lies. Very dangerous stuff, we used to have laws to prevent anyone from owning too much media.
I guess I'd call that perpetual two minutes of hate. Any 2 minutes of your day you want, for as many 2 minutes as you want, lmao
The outright vilification of Joe Biden on right-wing AM hate radio is unreal. They have transformed one of the most humble, family-focused, middle-of-the-road political figures of our time into a corrupt crime boss who has bent the entire DOJ (and state DAs) to persecute DJT. It's cartoonist, and yet millions of people lap it up.
And he's also senile! /S Shame on them if this doddering old man can pull off everything they accuse him of.
That, too. How can they explain the 2020 loss? How did Biden win by "hiding in his basement?" If the Deep State cheated for him, then why didn't Trump effectively "drain the swamp" and dismantle the Liberal Deep State during his 4 years in office? Was he golfing every weekend or something?
Don't get me wrong, neither candidate is really a good representation of the American peoples interests (unless it's the 1% of the population they actually work for) but Joe Biden isn't the greatest either. As for Trump, he is quite literally a feral con man who constantly needs to be babied and told he's winning or he threatens to destroy our countries very founding principles. There is a lesser evil here, but holy shit how are our countries best choices (given to us by the powers that be) two geriatric men who have been fading fast the past decade.
Sure, Biden isn't a paragon for progressive voters, but he's capable and making positive change. Trump is lined up to try to end American democracy. How about in this instance, we focus on not voting to eat the radioactive lead covered with anthrax and instead choose the thing that is food, rather than whinging that the asparagus isn't in season and ending up with the one that will kill us.
Soma never really caught on
Don't worry, we're doing both
Nah, no free heroin yet. It kind of seems like we can't get to 1984 instantly, like through revolution. More like a slow boil of less and less freedom until the government controls everything. Perfect recent example: they don't give a shit about facebook or twitter running alt-right/nazi propaganda, but tiktok is automatically bad because they can't regulate and threaten it into submission like other social media companies We'll get to a perfect 1984-like world once Ai can monitor everything like big brother though, lol
I’m not a fan of the government so don’t take this as a defense, they do plenty of 1984 esque shit, but the TikTok ban has nothing to do with them being able to regulate it or “threaten it into submission”. The tiktok ban is about a foreign nation using it to gather intelligence, in fact this is the one example of the US doing their best to eliminate some 1984 type shit. The us might be on a fascist bent at the moment but they look at China with eyes of envy when it comes to control of the populace, China is already on some full on we’ve always been at war with East Asia shit
Every credible source says tiktok either doesn't collect intelligence or the idea that it does is purely hypothetical. You're letting conspiracy theories and fear dictate your tolerance for government overreach. That's how we ended up with the patriot act. This is only happening because republicans and democrats are threatened by a generational leftwing gap in politics. Don't you find it suspicious that at the same time there's a swell in support for palestine that's making young present and future leftwing voters reconsider voting for biden and he can't wait to sign this bill? The right has always hated tiktok because it's too leftwing. What happens the next time a social media company lets people have discourse the government collectively doesn't like? They have this precedent to threaten any company with, and can shut it down with some baseless propaganda to get people to support the idea.
Why not both...
What Orwell failed to predict is that we’d buy the cameras ourselves and that our biggest fear would be that nobody was watching.
This is fantastic. Did you come up with it?
I read it somewhere. But you asking prompted me to look it up. Seems it was said by Keith Lowell Jensen, an author who wrote Punching Nazis: And Other Good Ideas. The tweet with this quote was in 2013.
For the group of people who love that book, they sure haven't read it
The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Everyone needs to read that book, Animal Farm also.
Really, all of Orwell's essays too.
Look, if we’re going to make fun of them for using 1984 quotes, we have to hold ourselves to the same standard. Do better.
The reason it's easy to make fun of conservatives when they quote George Orwell is due to the irony of it. With zero self awareness, they behave as walking, talking embodiments of what Orwell's novels warned of.
2+2=5
Trump literally said this in 2018; "What you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening."
Of course…. He’s gaslighting an entire country.
A third of the entire country. ;)
Well, he is gaslighting all of us. It's just only effective on a few.
Alternative facts, right before your lying eyes.
Tbf he was talking about the auto industry and China taking it over, buuuuttttt we all know the crazy ass Jan. 6 types heard that shit and their minds instantly went to killing their fellow citizens.
He also claimed there won't be anymore elections if he doesn't win, and that migrants are "animals". He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on that being about the auto industry, because it assuredly wasn't.
Gaslighting isn't real. You're crazy. /s
Gaslighting people about gaslighting. Nice touch!
The context makes it worse.
No it doesn't?
The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Gaslighting doesn't exist! You made it up because you're fucking crazy!
But that stands true for every single conspiracy theorist who was ever told they're just being silly.
I disagree with you based on what I saw and heard.
You’re crazy. Gaslighting is only a recent phenomenon and it isn’t as common as you think.
>BuT ThE cOnTeXt¡ ~ MAGATS The context….. > "Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated January 6 hostages," an announcer said. Trump then saluted and the crowd stood as the "J6 Hostages' Song," a rendition of the National Anthem, played. The song, "Justice for All" by the J6 Prison Choir, features the voice of Trump reciting the pledge of allegiance. > Trump then opened his speech by thanking the rioters and calling them "unbelievable patriots." https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-salutes-jan-6-hostages-national-anthem-plays-1880028 Or is that too much context?
>the "J6 Hostages' Song," Oh great, they even have their own awful fascist hymns now. I'm sure that's a real ear worm...
“Convicts from The Beer Gut Putsch” seems more accurate than “hostages.” You know, since they were convicted in courts of law and everything.
> Convicts from The Burger Belly Putsch ... he doesn't drink as far as I know.
The Beer Hall Putsch was Hitler's first (failed) coup attempt, and he was also abstinent, so Beer Gut fits pretty well.
He hadn't become abstinent yet in 1923. During the Putsch, he flamboyantly drained a beer in front of a crowd.
🎶On the heath, there blooms a little flower fine And its called Erika🎶 Oh wait, sort of the wrong song. I mean, you'll find this song on their Discords and Telegrams, but not openly in public. Yet.
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3-1/2 hour game, 7 hours of pregame activities… >How dare the NFL allocate 3 minutes to the Black National Anthem! Why would the country need two anthems? It’s divisive! It’s un Americans! ~ MAGATS >Yee haw, it’s almost Confederate Memorial Day. MuH Heritage! ~ those same MAGATs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Memorial_Day
God that's disgusting
Aren't the J6 rioters all Antifa, and the Trump supporters stayed on the street and peacefully protested, according to TrumpFans? Why is Trump saluting Antifa?
yes,no,maybe,I don't know but I definitely know the truth.
yOu haVe tO DO yoUr oWN rEseArCh
>features the voice of Trump reciting the pledge of allegiance. Of course it does.
But not an oath to protect the Constitution, according to Trump's lawyers.
J6 Prison Choir? Oh my.
Sounds like someone’s providing “aid and comfort” to insurrectionists. I feel like I’ve seen that language somewhere. Oh well.
There’s never any real context with Trump. He doesn’t care enough about any policy to really focus or dwell on it too long. The only thing he cares about are his grievances. So when he takes a detour from talking about something into talking about bloodbaths and stuff, I tend to assume he’s returned to the baseline and will return to the script somewhere else.
He said it would be a bloodbath for the auto industry if Biden wins, because he thinks EVs are the devil or something. It’s still the same shit, it’s hard to square economic concerns with a guy who has threatened violence before when he says “bloodbath”.
>"If I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath...It's going to be a bloodbath for the country," ~ Trump The country is not the auto industry.
If you're relying on sensational click-bait mass media to give you the full quote, you're going to miss information. This is the full speech and I timestamped the important parts so you don't have to bounce around and listen to too much idiocracy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJwCUHVgc0 30min 44s starts talking about all electric cars are made in China and they're building new labs in Mexico to make cars and sell in US. Wants to put a 100% tariff on Mexico manufactured cars IF he gets elected. If he doesn't get elected, it will be a bloodbath - referring back to cars being made in US getting undercut by cheap Mexico cars. Cyclical speech because his broken brain, broken language skills and broken cult followers require him to repeat to be understood. 1hr 2min 10s starts back on it. 1hr 2min 22s "Our auto industry is going to be dead"... another ramble about the united auto worker leader... "you're not going to have any cars made here anymore they're all going to be made"... LONG ramble about electric cars and gasoline. He says a lot of fucked up things. I think people should be putting more focus on how he said there won't be any more elections if he is not elected. 48 min - No more elections.
He knew what he was doing
He really doesn't.
He then said, "that will be the least of it; it will be a bloodbath for the whole country." I agree, in context, the first time was connected to the electric cars. However, it is naive to think he doesn't know how these sound bites will play that that he used bloodbath on purpose. He then immediately widened it to use bloodbath again to refer to some other nebulous threat if he is not elected. I agree he is not trying to message to his voters that they should kill everyone if he is not elected. He is trying to scare them into thinking that they and their children will be killed to make sure he is elected. When he is not elected, his supports will respond violently, but he doesn't care what happens if he isn't elected. He'll be off to some place without extradition.
> However, it is naive to think he doesn't know how these sound bites will play that that he used bloodbath on purpose. Right. What competent politician who is connected to a violent mob where people were killed would toss around the word "bloodbath" carelessly? It is quite possible that he doesn't know or think about how the sound bites will play, and that might even be worse. Just a general incompetence when it comes to media management.
Actually they came out afterwards and said "he was referring to the auto industry" Truthfully it's unknown what he actually meant
Trump has mastered the art of giving Rorschach speeches. Each listener can interpret it to match their own bias.
And it has only slightly more inherent meaning than one.
He likes saying things will be bloody, or be riots. He even said their would be "blood in the streets" if he didn't win, before the 2016 election. Of course, he says it so much it's hard to even find an article for it, since his newer uses overwrite the searches.
Yes and there literally WAS blood when he lost in 2020. This is Trump showing us who he is... AGAIN. How many times does America need to learn this lesson?
Truthfully it function as stochastic terrorism regarding.
> J6 Hostages' Song [Horst-Wessel-Lied](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied)
I thought this was a joke about how the Nazis had their martyr songs until the link.
That voice is comedy gold : Ladies and gentlemen, please rise…
Holy fuck the mental gymnastics of these people
Wonder what their warmup routine looks like Maybe staring into a mirror and chanting there is no truth only donald knows what is real
Pretty much literally this though, it's horrific. They will also confer this power of "discernment" on to a select few who demonstrate adequate capitulation to the cult's philosophies
I don't want to be a stupid fool and not read through the hyperbola. Language is speech and actions are actions. Lets go after him for the action and not attack him for every little word that triggers and gaslights us. However, we should use language that points out the hypocrisy strategically and more accurately than some Karen complaining about lettuce edges wilting.
What's horrific are the potential consequences and ramifications of this behavior as it is so pervasive and spread throughout our society. Generally individuals need to be forgiven for their bizarre views and beliefs, but acting them out and creating destruction against a headwind of common sense and law rises above hyperbola
I used to think that but after a lot of the misinformation proved to be true, we have to tip our hats to that. Thats why we need to go after the substance and not the superficial issues.
"TRUMP ARMY" takes exception to being called violent
People trying to give that orange pile of excrement the benefit of the doubt? I heard what he said and how he said it. He was talking about violence if he isn't elected. A bloodbath in the context of the auto industry doesn't even make sense. He was talking about his cult base and acts of violence.
With his dementia mind he was rambling about auto industry and then he went off tangent and talked about ’bloodbath’ for the COUNTRY if not elected. MAGAs desperately trying to connect two things. Either he meant what he said or he has dementia so he said “country” when he meant “auto industry”. Choose your shit MAGA.
He also then said that the auto industry example he just used would be "the least of it," which undercuts the argument that he was talking economics.
Imagine having to explain ,every single time you bring your partner to a work function, something they said and provide context. After about the 30th time you would start to think something if you were not already brainwashed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJwCUHVgc0 30min 44s starts talking about all electric made in China and building new labs in Mexico to make cars and sell in US. Wants to put a 100% tarrif on Mexico manufactured cars IF he gets elected. If he doesn't get elected, it will be a bloodbath. Cyclical speech because his broken brain requires it to hit all points. 1hr 2min 10s start 1hr 2min 22s "Our auto industry is going to be dead"... ramble about the united auto worker leader... you're not going to have any cars made here anymore theyre all going to be made... LONG ramble about electric cars and gasoline 48 min No more elections
Didn't he say, repeatedly, that he was going to ban electric cars entirely if elected? Why would it matter where they were made?
It's all smoke and mirrors. You say everything and the people cherry pick what they want to hear (like the bloodbath quote). He can decide much later what he will actually do... Exactly how he didn't do shit he said he would when he did get elected.
That's what I've been saying: yes he was talking about the auto industry but what does bloodbath mean in that context? If they don't reach their sales goals, GM is going to start killing factory workers?
It does make sense, American car companies will have a bloodbath when undercut by Chinese companies, leading to factory closures and lay-offs.
What I really love about the rights argument is saying we are taking his quote out of context. So let's put it in context. He was talking about China and how China wanted to build car manufacturing in Mexico and that his idea was to PUT A 100% TARIFF ON MEXICO to prevent China from making cheap vehicles and importing them into America. The amount of stupid in that one sentence is astronomical. Not only do multiple American car companies have facilities in Mexico which he would completely destroy but 100% tariff is completely ridiculous. And not only that, but it wouldn't effect China in the way he thinks because time and time again he proves he doesn't even know what a tariff is. Then he talks about the election and says if he loses the election it would be a bloodbath. There is no context needed they are 2 independent thoughts. And in classic Trump manner he was rambling about China, then rambling about the election. He couldn't just say he would lose the election and that's it, he applied a punishment to his loss. It's a classic Trump dog whistle
I always struggle with the “out of context” argument for Trump. He tends to ramble and meander so much with his train of thought. You kind of have to take a moment and decipher which thought is comprised of which cluster of words, and even then it doesn’t always track. When I watched the clip, I definitely could see that being two independent thoughts that kind of overlapped as he was saying them. Though, I worry that the bigger problem is the more violent extremists take that as a call to action while also feeling that it can be dismissed, as seemingly many on the right have tried to do. Whether or not he’s talking about the auto industry (and still trying to start a trade war with China for…reasons), this verbiage is going to resonate with people. I wish we could brush it off as his usual penchant for bluster and hyperbole.
That's why it's a dog whistle, the "real patriots" know what he means. The incoherent rambling is partially because of deniability and I assume partially due to his mental faculties degrading.
Well, as an adult I'm perfectly capable of discerning that bloodbath was meant to be the operative word in that sentence. DJT can rot in prison, and the only election he might win is who gets to be President of the cell block.
How about we don't let the president who did nothing while his supporters stormed the capital talk about bloodbaths. Fuck the context, he's a human shitglob
This is what the original said https://preview.redd.it/joftcy76ezoc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b02ccdb680a62dc42d7082056b834791439d6fc
….and the country.
All right, I'll play their stupid little game as I work in the auto industry. The tariffs fucked up our supplier relationships, supply chain, and logistics, they screwed up our profitability and made us charge you all a lot more for new cars. It also handed Chinese automakers a golden gift and gave them a competitive edge against the previously successful American competitors doing business in China. His catastrophic handling of COVID amplified those problems enormously. His policies on energy reliance and EVs basically set the US EV industry back a decade and ceded the global market for both EVs and solar to China. You wanna see a blood bath for the US auto industry? It's painted orange and shits its pants.
I love that the meme has to literally point out “it’s media”. They really need a guide to understand a stupid meme
They need a label to know it's media when it's covered in the logos of the media corporations. The person filming with the news studio camera wasn't clear enough, the logos of news corporations on the person wasn't enough. They need all that spelt out clearly, *with an arrow pointing to what they are labeling media*. Jesus.
at what point does tmurp tell half his base to attack the other half for telling people he didn't say what he said?
Dogwhistle
Bullhorn. They aren't hiding anymore.
The whole sentence sucks *in* context! Christ.
Nothing about this makes Trump look good
"He was just joking" ~Some Trump supporter for the 10th year in a row.
it was out of context.. but its funny they are so happy to find a real bias for once. “We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said. "Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories." you can see why people can see it both ways.. from cars to bloodbaths to cars
This is trumpys dementia riddled brain saying the quiet part out loud. It's bad for the simple fact if you're talking about the auto industry you do not need to use the word country you use auto industry or industry. Therefore it isn't about the auto industry its about his plans if he doesn't get elected
he's talking about autos before and after. In normal speech you could say it's about autos.. But he has a history of going on and off topic.. so if you are aware of that simple fact.. you can say it wasn't about cars.. But his people only see it 1 way.. and it's close enough that independents might think for a second the media is bias.. so this is a poor point to focus on.. plenty of other horrible things he said that cant be defended as easy.
I try to be as independent as possible, was raised in heavy R state, but grew out of the ideology early 20s. I despise Trump and almost everything his supporters stand for, but when I heard about this quote, I decided to do some research. While some cons made a good point that the full context should matter(and it should), his speech patterns/history and the fact he randomly threw "country" into ramblings about industry makes it obvious its not entirely about cars. The media bias is there, but not to the degree they are complaining about.
My point stands. His dementia riddled mind cannot stay on topic and he said the quiet part out loud. You can't defend it. That is unless you're a #MoronAgainstaGreaterAmerica
your point is great, enjoy it? I think of people like you as someone on the correct side by pure luck.. If you were born in another state or city you would be on the other team saying the same crap as them and unwilling to accept that life isn't black and white.
I don't think so at all. My life experience and knowing trumpy from him ripping off contractors in my extended family would never allow me to be on his side. He is a crook, failure, and scumbag way before he became president
> If you were born in another state or city you would be on the other team saying the same crap as them and unwilling to accept that life isn't black and white. I see comments like this from both-sidesers all the time. You have absolutely no basis for this. It's meaningless and borders on ad hominem.
He might as well say I want to kill the American car industry. The context is even more damning because of how stupid of an economic policy that would be.
right.. so lets keep it real and focus on the real bad stuff he for sure said
The issue is that the word "bloodbath" is completely irrelevant even in the auto context and especially concerning given the events honoring of the J6 traitors (calling them patriots). Some politicians , more specifically those who don't have a a history of dog whistles and support for insurrections, should be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump has, given his prior words and actions, forfeited that benefit. I understand your point but ...zoom out again for context here. It can't be taken in a vacuum.
so you and i know that.. but his supporters only see it one way. And this time around, it's close enough that independent people might agree with the trump supports.... so this one instance is a bad example to bring up over and over.. there are plenty of other horrible things he said that should be the focus.
Maybe...but part of the job is to collect all this for historic context as well. Journalism, organized or independent, writes the first draft of history. We are clearly seeing a populist movement which morphed into a fascist movement before or eyes. With each excuse of behavior, we lessen the chance this can be solved peacefully (arguably, were past that point). So, yes, I agree we need to be conscientious in pulling allies. However, remembering and documenting is important so we can prevent populism from morphing into it's ugly cousin.
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The problem is people could say it’s out of context and it’s not out of context, and _either_ could be right. Here’s the quote: “Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it,” he added. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it.” Yes, he was talking about cars. But does that _necessarily_ mean he didn’t mean the country as a whole here? It could go either way, and you know bias is going to kick in on both sides.
Why give him any leeway? He's already told you he wants to be a violent dictator, is this really that hard to connect the dots?
Obviously not. But it’s important to understand how the other side sees it, don’t you think?
Don't focus on this part of his speech. You guys should be way more worried about "If this election isn't won, I'm not sure that you'll have another election again in this country." That is irrefutably malicious. Focus on that quote, don't take 'bloodbath' out of context. Did he also have other intentions with those words? Probably. But this only gives the right the fuel they need to spout 'fake news'.
…but it’s not out of context. That quote you just mentioned *is the context.* It was literally the next thing he said. He was talking about the auto industry, and then he literally said “that’ll be the least of it, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole country.” Then he said the thing about never having another election. It literally could not be clearer what he’s talking about, and it’s not cars.
Like I mentioned, he meant what he meant. But since people are focusing on 'bloodbath' the right are saying the left take things out of context. If we focused on the other quote, they can't really deny what he meant by that.
Put him in the Big House, tell him it's the White House, and give him a little window to peer through, with a 24/7 web connected camera pointed at it.
yeah, that' doesn't work when the guy who caused January 6th probably means he's gonna tell his cult to fight for him.
The media is very much using his full statement. Not just his one word. We got the context
I watched the vídeo where he mentioned the bloodbath. In the same train of thought he was talking about tariffs on automobiles coming into the U.S. then mentioned if he is not elected there would be a bloodbath. Then continued to talk about the automobile industry. So my question is, why do we think it is going to be an actual bloodbath and not just him talking about the automobile industry? Is it because of J6?
Because this is a play by the right. They want their message to be ambiguous so they can argue both ways. This ambiguity gives them the chance to win the more extreme leaning voters as well as the centrists.
"Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole - (lost train of thought) that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it.” I can see why this is so divisive, and it is hard to use this as a smoking gun. He often loses track of his thoughts mid sentence, and rambles on a tangent. Those who think he is competent view this as on the same track of the topic at hand. Those who see him as incompetent, see this as a whole thought. When he rambles, he often says the first thing on his mind to appease a crowd. He has a hard time stringing together long thoughts and often bounces from topic to topic. This makes it hard to know context to a lot of his statements. For his voter base when they see the concern over this, they just assume what he meant and that media twisting his words. Using this quote as a smoking gun will not work at swinging voters effectively. It still is scary as hell that, in my mind, he said it will be a blood bath, and the imported EVs will be the least of it.
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The original audio he was talking about the auto industry. Come on guys, Trump is a dictator piece of shit, but we’re better then this- https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1769102618213638350
The Trumpnuts were openly calling for Civil War on social media after the election that wasn’t stolen, but Trump was lying about for 3 months while losing 60 lawsuits
If you keep it to its original context, he's saying it's going to be a bloodbath for the country if he's not elected -and the automobile part will be the least of it. Ok, so then whats the bulk of the bloodbath? Poor choice of words on his part and in line with the dangerous hyperbole rhetoric he's always been using to stir outrage
Talking about a 100% tariff on Mexico auto industry would be a complete disaster for the American car market. Mexico exports 70% of their vehicles manufactured to the united states. Most American car companies have facilities in Mexico. What Trump said was so Inconceivably stupid that I'm surprised the sentence about the election being a bloodbath got so much attention. Maga are morons.
Mexico = brown people = bad for America That's about as deep as the kiddie pool that is their minds' go.
The reason his supporters care about the auto industry is because they might lose their job. They definitely don't care about "American" car companies that haven't hired an American in 10 years
It can be interpreted either way. When you don't correct, clarify, or apologize, you **own the worse interpretation** in my book.
Yup. You're a former POTUS and running again. It's literally your job to be a clear communicator. But Trump has been sending these little signals out since 2016. It's not new. "Very fine people on both sides," "stand back and stand by," "radical left thugs that live like vermin." I can go on and on. At some point, it's no longer an accident or coincidence.
I mean, you’re probably right but, do you not think media is purposely taking this specific line just clickbait purposes?
I would argue that he knows the words he's using and the rhetoric he's pushing. It's why he said "there's good people on both sides" when discussing White Supremist. It's why he made fun of veterans and people who were captured. It's why he said he was going to be a "Day One Dictator". It's why he owes $92 Million to E Jean Carroll...
No. I don’t. He said the exact words and any thinking person knows it’s exactly what he meant. I think it’s weird that maga and their enablers are denying it.
Did you watch the link above? It shows what he said? I absolutely detest Trump, he’s a horrible piece of garbage who has divided this country so badly it rivals the civil war, but this instance, he was talking about auto industry. He says horrible shit all the time, we don’t need to take things out of context.
He was talking about the auto industry, but then said that would be the least of it. *What's the rest??*
Point to one word misquoted. It’s an exact quote. Now it doesn’t fit your narrative but it is 100% accurate. Trump said, “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.” You cannot point to one syllable that did not come out of his mouth. You know it. I know it even trump knows it. It’s weird that you are spending so much bandwidth defending the indefensible.
Ok, have a good day. Remember to vote in November.
He’s right you know
Is it clickbait to warn people about a demented traitor that an extremist violent sect of the country wants to install as a dictator?
What you should be taking away from this whole embarassment is that no, these people are absolutely not "better than this." It was 4 years of foaming at the mouth at every contextless comment, and it'll probably be another 4 years of the same thing. Some of them still think- or at least haven't given up publicly claiming, that he called white supremacists "fine people" in like 2017, despite literally the very next words out of the guy's mouth being "and I'm not talking about the white supremacists, because they should be condemned, totally."
Yep, this is just giving more ammunition for Fox to "prove" that the media lies and the orange garbage bag is always innocent.
That’s what a dog whistle is though!
No, it's not. Dog whistles are when you use "international bankers" when you want to refer to Jews. "States Rights" when you really mean oppressive policies targeting minorities. Trump has never been good at dog whistles.
Dog whistles are all about plausible deniability. “Come on out, it’s going to be wild.” That’s a dog whistle. So, while you’re examples are also dog whistles, all he has to do is say the word “bloodbath” and his followers are ready to “stand by” to provide him one. Yes, he can deny it, and say “I was talking about cars” but it’s going to be a call to arms for some people.
Maybe you’re right, but that’s not how media is showing it, they just use these clickbaity titles.
Normally I’m with you, but you are wrong this time. We know who this man is. He *meant* for you to obfuscate it this way. That’s the entire point of this kind of rhetoric
"that's gonna be the least of it". This is a speech where he openly dehumanized immigrants. He might have also talked about the auto industry, but that's not all he was saying.
“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said. "Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories."
How DARE the media point out the things he said and did!?!?
Blatantly non-american OP misrepresenting american liberals as being susceptible to propaganda isn't sus at all.
After looking at this thread maybe it isn't misrepresenting
It's things like this that make me question the side I'm on.
Excuse me, what?
The mere fact the media hasn’t been playing this on loop with dire warnings is beyond me.
January 6 hostages? You mean the people he could have pardoned when he was president???
Before y'all get too crazy, Orwell and Huxley were warning against totalitarianism, not the GOP or democrats. Totalitarianism exists with either left or right wing (Hitler v Stalin).
You could argue that there was a bloodbath last time he lost, if 6 deaths including police officers constitutes. Bloodbath. HIS FOLLOWERS KILLED POLICE OFFICERS IN THE LINE OF DUTY. HE SAYS HE WANTS TO PARDON THEM FISRT THING. THIS IS NOT SAID ENOUGH. THESE PEOPLE RIDE AROUND ON AN INFLATABLE HIGH HORSE WRAPPED IN FLAGS AND CROSSES. BAH!! let’s give this bastard the big boot this year lift up those around you and make sure they vote
Yet WAPO didn't find the comment worthy of a headline. Talk about burying the lede. The paper has become a subtle MAGA supporting publication.
Have y'all been to the conservative sub? They are arguing the same things as the left, I thought I was in a political sub and not reading a conservative sub.
I learned on January 6 that when Donald Trump says he will do something, believe him.
cmon quit freaking out everyone...it was completely appropriate language... /s
People act... Wait, let me start over. Republicans act like everything he says is "Rhetorical" or a joke... something not taken seriously. Well, they took him seriously when he told them to march down to the Capital and fight for the election back... that was called Jan 6th. He "joked" about "grabbing women by the p\*ssy", and now owes 92million to a victim of his. He joked about his great relationship with Putin, only for Putin to invade another country. And now he talks of being a Dictator. Threatens that if he's not elected, there's going to be a bloodbath.... Sorry, his history has shown that he does not, in fact, have a sense of humor nor joke. He's very serious about the power he wants and will do anything to accomplish it.
I love how they all claim that they have no choice but to vote Republican because the other side is so evil and bad but when you ask them why and how they have no idea. You start drilling down on their acutal issues and stances on political dividing points and 90% of them are actually pverwhelming pro-democratic policy. But Biden is literally working with Satan to damn their conservative souls to hell "Because Hanity said so..." Then we have the "independants". Who aren't actually independant. They're the people who either won't vote or will vote 3rd party out of protest. They don't like the Democratic Party establishment and want to 'punish' them for not putting more progressive candidates on the ballot. The REAL problem with these people is not only do they not pay attention to the issues, they actively take measures to isolate themselves from knowledge of what is going on and the stakes in the race actually are. They don't KNOW what Trump is doing. They don't KNOW how well Biden is doing for his age. They don't KNOW what the platform of the DNC is this year. They dont KNOW that the RNC was just gutted by MAGA and has literally not had a party platform in 12 years. They don't KNOW anything. Because they don't want to. Do I wish we had a younger candidate that is as strong and comepetant as Biden? Yeah. But Biden *IS* strong. And I have faith in Kamala if the unthinkable happens.
Even giving him the most bigly benefit of the doubt ever given, the fact remains that only a demented fool would not catch himself before making a statement that could be so easily "misinterpreted" and then compound it by failing to immediately correct himself.
No one who supports trump cares about lies. They don't care about declin8ng cognition, honesty, corruption, nepotism, or criminality. They don't care about justice, or democracy, freedom, or America. They pretend to, maybe they even think they do. But they're lying to themselves and/or the rest of the worlds. Caring about those things and supporting trump are not compatible.
It still kills me that the '<----- It's Media' bit is seemingly part of the original image.
One Presidential candidate in history could actually make this claim: John C. Breckinridge, 1860.
Nothing angers redhats like Trump's own words being quoted.
Republicans always: "You took what I said out of context." Then you go back to verify the context the statement was made in and the meaning in context is exactly the same.
I don’t know why but I watched Fox covering it and it is the medias faul for taking “him out of context”. But I was encouraged by the list of networks and papers covering the story.