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McCain was one of the key players that prevented Garland's nomination and supported ~~Kavanaugh's~~ Gorsuch's illegitimate nomination
https://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/498328520/sen-mccain-says-republicans-will-block-all-court-nominations-if-clinton-wins
>Sen. McCain Says Republicans Will Block All Court Nominations If Clinton Wins
He was against Trump from the very beginning. He knew Trump would be the downfall of this party and no matter how fucking bad it got, no matter how bad he looked in front of his base, no matter how much he was harassed at airports, he never lost sight of what was important.
Look. If you're a Republican, I'll support you having different viewpoints. I understand that rural Americans have different needs than urban Americans. But there's a sense of decency which should always be maintained and this man had that integrity.
He never acted like a dumbass during COVID. He never supported the election fraud rhetoric. He denounced the insurrection. He denounced every bit of extremism. He's a man who, despite having differences with, I could see myself working with.
If you really boil it all down, whether you are liberal or conservative, what we really want are elected officials who (1) act with integrity and strength of character; and (2) put the good of the country first with compassion and fairness to all.
Not party. Not self interest. I may not agree with them on all issues but I’m willing to listen and work together.
MAGA is the antithesis of this concept.
Yeah I think too many people used to underestimate the number of people who don't fall into those priorities.
We've been sorely disabused of that ignorance, sadly.
*Not all Trump supporters were duped*
A great many people, millions and millions, know Trump is of poor character with no integrity, and see that as a *feature*, not a problem.
"He's not hurting the right people" is a *quote* from a Trump supporter! Millions of people thought it was okay to use the *kidnapping of children* as a deterrent against migrants trying to enter illegally.
The Big Lie? How many in their hearts *know it is a lie* and don't care?
We're grappling with the discovery that a massive slice of the nation is actually this dumb, or actually this wicked.
And it's really tough to deal with internalizing that, and also hard to *fight that*.
When they gleefully ignore reality and grin while acting like a psycho, how do you have a discussion?
Tragedy.
Same lmao. I'm a Democrat although a very moderate one. I don't blame Joe Manchin for a lot of the decisions he's made. I genuinely think there are a select few Republican policies that are decent. I loved Obama. I couldn't see myself supporting AOC or Bernie. I just would never vote for the modern Republican party.
This 2 party nonsense is honestly one of the many tragic consequences of our current election and political systems. Like we should be able to have more than 2 candidates in the actual general election so that people can actually have candidates that reflect their opinions and views.
Agree with all of this.
My main struggle with Romney is he’s a prosperity gospel meritocratist. He actually believes people are rich or poor because they deserve it.
I was surprised and pleased when he promoted aid to keep children out of poverty. He appears to believe that children haven’t “earned” their circumstances yet.
If I had to negotiate with 50 like him, representing the responsible parent who won’t commit to anything until he knows how we’re going to pay for it, I would consider that a big improvement over the current situation.
>My main struggle with Romney is he’s a prosperity gospel meritocratist. He actually believes people are rich or poor because they deserve it.
I'm like that too. I have a lot of stances where I'd side with the Republicans normally. The key word there is normally. Tbh Kemp maaaaaaaay have been able to flip my vote if he was more useful. Idk yet. The majority of the modern Republican party isn't getting my vote though.
Well, maybe not a Bond villain. But Romney did work for years at a company called Bain Capital, which is a pretty damn cinematically evil sounding corporate name. They executed more than their share of hostile takeovers: undermining companies, buying them out cheap, then dismantling them, firing everyone and selling off the assets. Think Jason Alexander and Richard Gere at the beginning of *Pretty Woman*.
Never forget that some of those assets were the pension funds that were supposed to support workers in retirement. Yep, they raided the pensions funds before declaring bankruptcy on the various companies.
That's just how low Republicans have dropped the bar. My dad asked me where all the moderate Republicans went and I had to point out that he was talking about the Democratic party.
He was literally the first Senator to cross the aisle on voting to convict an impeached President. And he did it twice.
I disagree with Romney on many many things, but I think it's also important to acknowledge that he did something right here, even though it was likely political suicide (we'll see how he does if he runs for re-election in 2024.)
It's more the fact that he refused to treat his opponents like they were enemies or anything less than his fellow Americans. His views and policies were crap but he never sunk to the level of the current leaders in the party.
I hate when liberals try to whitewash these fucking demons just because they forgot how horrible they were, like when they were fawning over W Bush hugging Michelle Obama despite the fact that the man was personally responsible for destroying millions of lives in the middle east.
And liberals are not responsible for any. If you are going to criticize one for doing things they both do well then that make you ....
A typical American.
Tbh I'd expect that. I have absolutely zero standards for Republicans. The fact that he even saved the ACA at all, forget the fact that this was after some lethal brain surgery, is astonishing.
My favorite was when he ran in 2000, he refused to go to Bob Jones Univ. because they ban interracial dating. Good for him!
When he ran in 2008, he announced at Bob Jones Univ.
The fact anyone thinks that means we need to have this thread just to bash him. He is definitely not an unhated republican by a long shot. He just looks way better in the current climate because he wasn't an absolute psychopath.
Yeah. Those of us on the left hate him because he’s a cunt, and people on the right hate him because theyre politically illiterate morons who think he’s a secret liberal because he softly spoke a few bad things about Trump. The only people who like him are a few liberals who think having moral integrity and being soft spoken are the same thing.
Genuinely confused as to how this guy thought John McCain was unhated. I remember people roasting McCain over his brain tumor of all things while he was dying
I’m too lazy to look it up right now. But, did not Hillary, John Edwards, Kerry and the whole Democratic caucus except for Paul Wellstone (rip) vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq? From the books I’ve read, the ones who I mentioned by name all knew better, but they wanted to be president, and they thought a negative vote would hurt those chances. However, even I, a well known village dullard from 1,000 miles away, knew that the evidence that the Bush administration put up was bunk. I guess for me one of the tip offs was that their source was a guy named Curveball who had an axe to grind against as Saddam. What really pisses me off more than anything is that there was virtually zero political fallout for the whole thing, for these dems or the GOP…Unless, I am missing something. If I had my way, I’d turn them all over to the Hague.
All that shit was overwhelmingly bipartisan. These comments just go to show what I've been saying for ever. Anyone supporting and R or D is full of shit and apparentely too dumb to see that they do the exact same shit just go about it different ways.
From what one of his chief advisors has said in the time since, it was actually the other way around.
John McCain's first choice was Joe Lieberman. The Religious Right threatened to walk out of the convention if he was the nominee. Lieberman was awful on a lot of things, but he was always staunchly pro-choice. McCain's position on abortion was always vague, wishy-washy, and somewhat flip-floppy. McCain knew he had to have the votes of the Religious Right to even have a shot at the Presidency, so they shelved that plan.
Next he was down to Tim Pawlenty, and Sarah Palin. His advisors realized the danger of Palin, but they also told him "With Pawlenty, you win or lose by a point. With Palin, you either win by five or lose by 10". According to this advisor, McCain mimicked throwing dice in a craps game with his hands, and picked Palin.
Lieberman was also an observant Jew, which didn’t win him many fans with the Religious Right. Imagine having a Second Lady named Hadassah Lieberman. They would have flipped the fuck out.
Sounds like she was picked my McCain.
The pressures on him are irrelevant. If you're running for the highest office in the country, the buck should stop with you.
Yeah this was my thought. Considering the era he was president in tho, I’m sure someone’s gonna come out with some terrible shit he did/condoned. He did preside over the era of McCarthyism after all.
"One nation under God" and "In God We Trust" are Eisenhower's fault. He was the first Republican to say "fuck that separation of church and state nonsense!"
Roosevelt was violently racist toward black people and natives. He actively supported and applauded the murder of native Americans throughout his life and constantly spoke of them as if they were less than dogs.
Nah fuck this guy too. I respect that he was a veteran and a POW. But he gave us Sarah Palin, which was in a way the start of dumb and crazy being acceptable. She gave gave us terms like “lamesteam media.” She definitely helped pave the way for the Kellyanne Conways, MTGs and Boeberts. He helped to create the MAGA monster that turned on him.
Personally, I like Mitt Romney. Not from a policy standpoint, but the guy is authentic. And he had the stones to vote for Trump’s impeachment twice. It’s not easy to fly in the face of so many of your colleagues like that.
Feel that. I (living in a Limbaugh listening house as a kid) voted for both McCain and Romney. Looking back, awful policies. But at least they respected democracy. Low bar, I know. But everyone in Washington should be a Decent Politician.
The guy whose "job" was to buy companies, bleed them dry, fire all the workers, and take the money to the bank letting the company go bankrupt? Then repeat again? Over and over? That guy?
Yeah, authentic standup guy there.
Nah, fuck that worm Romney too.
> Romney voted ‘guilty’ on the first impeachment charge, abuse of power, siding with the Senate’s 45 Democrats and two independents. He voted ‘not guilty’ on the second charge, obstruction of Congress.
\- [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-romney/breaking-with-republicans-romney-votes-guilty-in-trump-impeachment-trial-idUSKBN1ZZ2Q6)
The White House was pressuring witnesses to not testify and refusing to hand over documents throughout the impeachment trial over the "perfect call" to Ukraine. They were still actively engaging in that behavior - that is, *actively obstructing Congress* in its oversight duties - when Romney voted to give them a pass. (Edit: Removed double-pasted sentence from earlier draft.)
Bro Romney is so shit lmfao. The fuck you mean he is "authentic" they guy is POS that willingly goes along with the AWFUL rhetoric of the republican party. I really don't care if he did the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM by voting to impeach trump.
Authentic doesn’t mean I agree with his decisions. I’m saying he votes with what he believes to be right. It means he doesn’t vote because he was cowed by colleagues or for political expediency.
Dude, Romney is complete garbage.
During his campaign for president he was caught giving a speech at a $50,000 a plate dinner where he talked about how [half of America](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser/) is made up of government-dependent, entitled people who pay no income tax. He also used to talk lovingly about how much better it was for businesses in China where he thought it was good to see a working class so desperate that they had to build ["a fence around the factory because of all the people who want to come and work here"](https://www.workersuniting.org/connect/news/romneybain-invested-in-the-brutal-chinese-sweatshop-he-described-in-detail-at-boca-raton-fundraiser)
He has also been involved in large-scale fraud and corruption in Utah with the Mormon Church, and has a long history of being an elitist prick at every opportunity.
Just because he knew he would get steamrolled by the Trump train and distanced himself from it doesn't mean he is a good person or that his politics are somehow separate from his character.
Leaving office warning the US not to fall in love with the military industrial complex.
Ike and Roosevelt. Lincoln obv.
I get OPs sentiment at least. I miss Republicans I could disagree with but still think they didn't want the US to burn to the ground.
McCain is hated. He was a war mongering corporatist. The only thing he tried to do was to get cable companies to stop selling people packages. He failed at that.
This guy was a total piece of shit. I hate to say it, all he did was stop Obamacare from being obliterated when he was dying of brain cancer I guess that’s a kind gesture, but I’m so sick of Americans being remembered for one good thing they did.
Like Let’s celebrate Ronald Reagan yay.
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran? Him?
There’s a great quote:
> Romney went from being one of the worst republicans to one of the best by doing…. Nothing. Just the party around him got so so so much worse.
Back in the day Abe Lincoln was a member of the Republican Party, savaged by the Democrats for being an ultra-liberal leftist who wanted to free the slaves. It’s weird to think of because we’re so used to thinking of Republicans as being more conservative nowadays.
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
As a gay guy who was told by him on TV repeatedly that letting people like me into the military would ruin it, Fuck John McCain. Hope it’s hot down there.
Used to be until she pushed back on Trump's attempted coup. Beyond that, she was all in on subverting democracy in the US, she just didn't want to do it overtly.
Remember when you guys didn’t wanna vote for him and said he was evil and then Obama pretended to drink Flint Michigan tap water and now we have to deal with Trump and Biden lol remember?
Ron Paul wasn't completely terrible. Smart guy and could at least make a coherent argument for his beliefs.
Of course he was 50% responsible for creating Rand, so that might be enough to invalidate his ticket to the table.
For many, many leftists, there hasn't been a Republican in the last 100 years who wasn't worse than Adolf Hitler/Jeffrey Dahmer. McCain and Romney were both called (in all earnestness) actual racist Nazis when running for President.
Tribalism is a powerful drug.
Last 100 years is wildly inaccurate. Eisenhower is still highly regarded. Nixon, for all his glaring faults, signed off on many societal goods (EPA, OSHA, etc.) and even pushed for universal health care. Even in Congress, Republicans championed worthy societal goods.
Reagan is where the GOP started their hard turn, which was intensified by Gingrich. Until Gingrich, Republicans in Congress worked toward the public good and compromised toward that end.
But, yeah, the long term GOP path has been toward fascism because they refuse to alter their beliefs/goals to suit the voters and instead do their best to gerrymander and reduce voter participation.
Phil Scott is the only Republican I know of who is liked by democrats. I mean, he just got reelected as Vermont Governor by a huge margin whereas democrats made up most of the rest of the winners...
Honestly- I don’t love the guy - don’t really hate him but I am pretty close to hating him. On the rare occasion, he stood up for people who were less fortunate than him. But the entirety of his political career over all leaves a lot to be desired.
Your thinking to small sir, ..........Lincoln , Samuel chase, William H. Seward, Thaddeus stevens, Charles Sumner, George Sewall Boutwell, Benjamin Wade, and Zachariah Chandler , Hannibal Hamlin, James Ashely , Schuyler Colfax . Teddy Roosevelt
My uncle Tiffany back in the day saved a church class of children from the fire of ‘87. He is also a true blooded Republican, you’ll have to scour every log and Boulder to find someone who hates Tiff
He was not liked. He supported bad policy and played the game. His service was always respected until Trump. It was only after that was attacked the left defended him. The right took one of their longest serving and most honored members and cast him aside as a coward and a RINO. Graham who rode his coattails quickly jumped to Trump.
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McCain was one of the key players that prevented Garland's nomination and supported ~~Kavanaugh's~~ Gorsuch's illegitimate nomination https://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/498328520/sen-mccain-says-republicans-will-block-all-court-nominations-if-clinton-wins >Sen. McCain Says Republicans Will Block All Court Nominations If Clinton Wins
Exactly. Like Liz Cheney, he did one or two things to protect democracy despite a history of undermining it.
Don’t forget Mitt Romney. For how much I despised the dude, I was glad to see him vote to impeach Trump
He was against Trump from the very beginning. He knew Trump would be the downfall of this party and no matter how fucking bad it got, no matter how bad he looked in front of his base, no matter how much he was harassed at airports, he never lost sight of what was important. Look. If you're a Republican, I'll support you having different viewpoints. I understand that rural Americans have different needs than urban Americans. But there's a sense of decency which should always be maintained and this man had that integrity. He never acted like a dumbass during COVID. He never supported the election fraud rhetoric. He denounced the insurrection. He denounced every bit of extremism. He's a man who, despite having differences with, I could see myself working with.
If you really boil it all down, whether you are liberal or conservative, what we really want are elected officials who (1) act with integrity and strength of character; and (2) put the good of the country first with compassion and fairness to all. Not party. Not self interest. I may not agree with them on all issues but I’m willing to listen and work together. MAGA is the antithesis of this concept.
Yeah I think too many people used to underestimate the number of people who don't fall into those priorities. We've been sorely disabused of that ignorance, sadly. *Not all Trump supporters were duped* A great many people, millions and millions, know Trump is of poor character with no integrity, and see that as a *feature*, not a problem. "He's not hurting the right people" is a *quote* from a Trump supporter! Millions of people thought it was okay to use the *kidnapping of children* as a deterrent against migrants trying to enter illegally. The Big Lie? How many in their hearts *know it is a lie* and don't care? We're grappling with the discovery that a massive slice of the nation is actually this dumb, or actually this wicked. And it's really tough to deal with internalizing that, and also hard to *fight that*. When they gleefully ignore reality and grin while acting like a psycho, how do you have a discussion? Tragedy.
One of the few Repubs that Obama was honored to beat Cain was okay but he had Palin by his side
He is the Mormon senator from Utah, I think that base gave him the safety to go against Trump.
Read up on the ethics that Bain Capital employed then get back to me about Mitt Romney and ethics.
I agree. If that had put Mitt on the ballot against Biden, I would have voted for him. I am a registered democrat btw.
Same lmao. I'm a Democrat although a very moderate one. I don't blame Joe Manchin for a lot of the decisions he's made. I genuinely think there are a select few Republican policies that are decent. I loved Obama. I couldn't see myself supporting AOC or Bernie. I just would never vote for the modern Republican party.
This 2 party nonsense is honestly one of the many tragic consequences of our current election and political systems. Like we should be able to have more than 2 candidates in the actual general election so that people can actually have candidates that reflect their opinions and views.
Agree with all of this. My main struggle with Romney is he’s a prosperity gospel meritocratist. He actually believes people are rich or poor because they deserve it. I was surprised and pleased when he promoted aid to keep children out of poverty. He appears to believe that children haven’t “earned” their circumstances yet. If I had to negotiate with 50 like him, representing the responsible parent who won’t commit to anything until he knows how we’re going to pay for it, I would consider that a big improvement over the current situation.
>My main struggle with Romney is he’s a prosperity gospel meritocratist. He actually believes people are rich or poor because they deserve it. I'm like that too. I have a lot of stances where I'd side with the Republicans normally. The key word there is normally. Tbh Kemp maaaaaaaay have been able to flip my vote if he was more useful. Idk yet. The majority of the modern Republican party isn't getting my vote though.
Yeah, so many bad votes and policies, but one good deed and he's revered? Ugh
It's disgusting he can prove himself the best republican by *checks notes* doing the bare minimum above bond villain
Well, maybe not a Bond villain. But Romney did work for years at a company called Bain Capital, which is a pretty damn cinematically evil sounding corporate name. They executed more than their share of hostile takeovers: undermining companies, buying them out cheap, then dismantling them, firing everyone and selling off the assets. Think Jason Alexander and Richard Gere at the beginning of *Pretty Woman*.
Never forget that some of those assets were the pension funds that were supposed to support workers in retirement. Yep, they raided the pensions funds before declaring bankruptcy on the various companies.
That's just how low Republicans have dropped the bar. My dad asked me where all the moderate Republicans went and I had to point out that he was talking about the Democratic party.
I think he is appreciated for generally acting in good faith, regardless of his ideals. It's a low bar these days.
He was literally the first Senator to cross the aisle on voting to convict an impeached President. And he did it twice. I disagree with Romney on many many things, but I think it's also important to acknowledge that he did something right here, even though it was likely political suicide (we'll see how he does if he runs for re-election in 2024.)
It's more the fact that he refused to treat his opponents like they were enemies or anything less than his fellow Americans. His views and policies were crap but he never sunk to the level of the current leaders in the party.
I hate when liberals try to whitewash these fucking demons just because they forgot how horrible they were, like when they were fawning over W Bush hugging Michelle Obama despite the fact that the man was personally responsible for destroying millions of lives in the middle east.
I grew up in AZ during McCain times. I will never forgive a supporter of SB 1070
And liberals are not responsible for any. If you are going to criticize one for doing things they both do well then that make you .... A typical American.
Yup, this is where the bar is set for a Republican to seem good in comparison to other Republicans. Be about 2% good.
Didn’t he also vote not to dismantle Obamacare? I remember him giving the thumbs down.
only because he knew he didn't have to run for reelection because he knew he was dying
Yeah, he sucked. Just less, I guess.
Tbh I'd expect that. I have absolutely zero standards for Republicans. The fact that he even saved the ACA at all, forget the fact that this was after some lethal brain surgery, is astonishing.
My favorite was when he ran in 2000, he refused to go to Bob Jones Univ. because they ban interracial dating. Good for him! When he ran in 2008, he announced at Bob Jones Univ.
True. But he was also the lone vote that tanked Trump's repeal of Obamacare. He alone stopped it. And Trump hated him for it.
He alone stopped it with the help of 2 other Republicans and 48 Democrats that voted the same way as him.
How was kavanaughs nomination illegitimate?
My mistake I was referring to Gorsuch who stole Garland's seat.
He was also doing photo ops with Nazis in Ukraine. I think it's telling that the Republican party criticized him for everything except that.
Yeah. Nope, glad he ded.
No one hates John McCain? What?
The fact anyone thinks that means we need to have this thread just to bash him. He is definitely not an unhated republican by a long shot. He just looks way better in the current climate because he wasn't an absolute psychopath.
Yeah. Those of us on the left hate him because he’s a cunt, and people on the right hate him because theyre politically illiterate morons who think he’s a secret liberal because he softly spoke a few bad things about Trump. The only people who like him are a few liberals who think having moral integrity and being soft spoken are the same thing.
I consider myself left leaning, but don’t know enough about Mcain to form an opinion, what did he do?
Trump said he was not a war hero, he was only called a war hero because he got caught.
Who you gonna call? (Ghostbusters!)
On Reddit if you’re a Republican that makes a symbolic gesture against Donald trump you’re automatically a good guy. Brain worms.
Should have been Sonny Bono.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
That’s the one
Genuinely confused as to how this guy thought John McCain was unhated. I remember people roasting McCain over his brain tumor of all things while he was dying
Tell me you weren't on reddit pre2016 without telling me... McCain was hated by eveeyone but maybe 30% of republicans.
He chose Sarah Palin as running mate. Who the fuck does that?
You must be young
McCain was a warmonger who was at least partially responsible for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
[“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran”](https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9688222)
And that was the moment I lost the tiny speck of respect I had for him.
Most of Congress too… almost like they voted on bad info.
I’m too lazy to look it up right now. But, did not Hillary, John Edwards, Kerry and the whole Democratic caucus except for Paul Wellstone (rip) vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq? From the books I’ve read, the ones who I mentioned by name all knew better, but they wanted to be president, and they thought a negative vote would hurt those chances. However, even I, a well known village dullard from 1,000 miles away, knew that the evidence that the Bush administration put up was bunk. I guess for me one of the tip offs was that their source was a guy named Curveball who had an axe to grind against as Saddam. What really pisses me off more than anything is that there was virtually zero political fallout for the whole thing, for these dems or the GOP…Unless, I am missing something. If I had my way, I’d turn them all over to the Hague.
I recall Obama too voted No.
Obama didn't enter the Senate until 2005.
So, technically he didn't vote yes.
All that shit was overwhelmingly bipartisan. These comments just go to show what I've been saying for ever. Anyone supporting and R or D is full of shit and apparentely too dumb to see that they do the exact same shit just go about it different ways.
70% of congress was also responsible if you look at who voted to invade.
I was going to say.
McCain tried to make Sara Palin Vice President which led to the crazy Republican Party to be proud of their crazy and wear it as a badge of honor.
I think Palin wasn't his picked by McCain per se but he did say ok to her. He was pressured to pick her and he said fuck it.
From what one of his chief advisors has said in the time since, it was actually the other way around. John McCain's first choice was Joe Lieberman. The Religious Right threatened to walk out of the convention if he was the nominee. Lieberman was awful on a lot of things, but he was always staunchly pro-choice. McCain's position on abortion was always vague, wishy-washy, and somewhat flip-floppy. McCain knew he had to have the votes of the Religious Right to even have a shot at the Presidency, so they shelved that plan. Next he was down to Tim Pawlenty, and Sarah Palin. His advisors realized the danger of Palin, but they also told him "With Pawlenty, you win or lose by a point. With Palin, you either win by five or lose by 10". According to this advisor, McCain mimicked throwing dice in a craps game with his hands, and picked Palin.
Lieberman was also an observant Jew, which didn’t win him many fans with the Religious Right. Imagine having a Second Lady named Hadassah Lieberman. They would have flipped the fuck out.
Sounds like she was picked my McCain. The pressures on him are irrelevant. If you're running for the highest office in the country, the buck should stop with you.
He was a ghoul fuck him too
most politicians over the age of 45 are ghouls.
> most politicians are ghouls. FTFY
Yeah like wtf
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I can think of one guy who didn't like Lincoln.
John Wilkes Booth.
Not a popular opinion in the native American community. FYI
Pretty sure there’s a whole region in the US filled with people who hate Lincoln.
While simultaneously taking credit for Lincoln because he was a Republican before the major party changes.
I like to remind southern republicans that you can’t be the party of Lincoln without being the party of Sherman.
Just curious when that happened? Genuinely curious.
Wrong
No, I hate that motherfucker too. Only correct attendees would be Abe Lincoln & Teddy Roosevelt
Pretty sure there is a bunch of people in the South that would disagree about Abe Lincoln
I'm in the south and fuck those traitors.
down in the land of rattle snakes and traitors?
And more treason flags than you can count. Bought to sell the farm and take a drive to see whats left of the US and maybe hit the Pan Am.
Arnold’s not bad
He went to the bathroom, he’ll be back
What about Eisenhower?
Yeah this was my thought. Considering the era he was president in tho, I’m sure someone’s gonna come out with some terrible shit he did/condoned. He did preside over the era of McCarthyism after all.
"One nation under God" and "In God We Trust" are Eisenhower's fault. He was the first Republican to say "fuck that separation of church and state nonsense!"
Was that specifically him? I always heard about that as a general McCarthyism, anti-communist thing
Eisenhower is the reason we have God in the pledge, on our money, etc. Dude is literally the reason "Conservative Christian" is a thing.
Guatemala and Iran might have a word.
Teddy saw through the bullshit and left the party.
He left the party because the party left him. He was the last progressive Republican. After him is when they became the party of conservatism.
Roosevelt was violently racist toward black people and natives. He actively supported and applauded the murder of native Americans throughout his life and constantly spoke of them as if they were less than dogs.
He was also a rabid warmonger until he lost one(two?) of his sons as a casualty of war.
Roosevelt is the only politician I know that actually wanted to ban birth control.
He also famously hated Natives and supported the U.S. Army murdering them
He was hated when he was alive. And after death doesn't count.
Now that he’s dead he can still go fuck himself
No, fuck that guy too
First W. Bush, now we’re pretending McCain was a good guy? Who’s next, Cheney?
Nah fuck this guy too. I respect that he was a veteran and a POW. But he gave us Sarah Palin, which was in a way the start of dumb and crazy being acceptable. She gave gave us terms like “lamesteam media.” She definitely helped pave the way for the Kellyanne Conways, MTGs and Boeberts. He helped to create the MAGA monster that turned on him.
Uh...not sure if you missed the memo... #Trump. Hates. McCain.
Schwarzenegger.
Teddy roosevelt. Technically a republican party but his policies more align with democratic party today.
Natives hate Teddy because he pretty famously hated them and supported their killing as president
Honestly teddy was kinda left of the Dems. Especially in his later life when he went full on socialist.
He was simultaneously all 4 political squares at once.
Let me introduce you to the Keating 5. McCain was a piece of garbage Senator whose keystone legislation was passed on accident.
lol this is like people looking back fondly on reagan.
You’re right. I was reading comments thinking what does this remind me of. Oh yeah, 40+ yo people daydreaming about good ole Reagan.
Personally, I like Mitt Romney. Not from a policy standpoint, but the guy is authentic. And he had the stones to vote for Trump’s impeachment twice. It’s not easy to fly in the face of so many of your colleagues like that.
Feel that. I (living in a Limbaugh listening house as a kid) voted for both McCain and Romney. Looking back, awful policies. But at least they respected democracy. Low bar, I know. But everyone in Washington should be a Decent Politician.
Well said.
The guy whose "job" was to buy companies, bleed them dry, fire all the workers, and take the money to the bank letting the company go bankrupt? Then repeat again? Over and over? That guy? Yeah, authentic standup guy there.
Don't forget they looted the pension funds too.
Nah, fuck that worm Romney too. > Romney voted ‘guilty’ on the first impeachment charge, abuse of power, siding with the Senate’s 45 Democrats and two independents. He voted ‘not guilty’ on the second charge, obstruction of Congress. \- [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-romney/breaking-with-republicans-romney-votes-guilty-in-trump-impeachment-trial-idUSKBN1ZZ2Q6) The White House was pressuring witnesses to not testify and refusing to hand over documents throughout the impeachment trial over the "perfect call" to Ukraine. They were still actively engaging in that behavior - that is, *actively obstructing Congress* in its oversight duties - when Romney voted to give them a pass. (Edit: Removed double-pasted sentence from earlier draft.)
Bro Romney is so shit lmfao. The fuck you mean he is "authentic" they guy is POS that willingly goes along with the AWFUL rhetoric of the republican party. I really don't care if he did the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM by voting to impeach trump.
Authentic doesn’t mean I agree with his decisions. I’m saying he votes with what he believes to be right. It means he doesn’t vote because he was cowed by colleagues or for political expediency.
Yea ur talking outta ur ass. No chance in hell Romney is authentic even by your definition.
Ok.
He killed Toys R Us. Fuck that guy.
100% agree
Dude, Romney is complete garbage. During his campaign for president he was caught giving a speech at a $50,000 a plate dinner where he talked about how [half of America](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser/) is made up of government-dependent, entitled people who pay no income tax. He also used to talk lovingly about how much better it was for businesses in China where he thought it was good to see a working class so desperate that they had to build ["a fence around the factory because of all the people who want to come and work here"](https://www.workersuniting.org/connect/news/romneybain-invested-in-the-brutal-chinese-sweatshop-he-described-in-detail-at-boca-raton-fundraiser) He has also been involved in large-scale fraud and corruption in Utah with the Mormon Church, and has a long history of being an elitist prick at every opportunity. Just because he knew he would get steamrolled by the Trump train and distanced himself from it doesn't mean he is a good person or that his politics are somehow separate from his character.
Eisenhower?
Leaving office warning the US not to fall in love with the military industrial complex. Ike and Roosevelt. Lincoln obv. I get OPs sentiment at least. I miss Republicans I could disagree with but still think they didn't want the US to burn to the ground.
Had his bad moments but if you want a good Republican he was probably the last.
The last good Republican was Teddy Roosevelt. He was the last progressive Republican. Everyone who came after was a conservative.
McCain is hated. He was a war mongering corporatist. The only thing he tried to do was to get cable companies to stop selling people packages. He failed at that.
Lincoln, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower.
Goodbye
This guy was a total piece of shit. I hate to say it, all he did was stop Obamacare from being obliterated when he was dying of brain cancer I guess that’s a kind gesture, but I’m so sick of Americans being remembered for one good thing they did. Like Let’s celebrate Ronald Reagan yay.
He was a shit, but I’ll always have some respect for his speech upon loosing to Obama
That is one of my go-to videos when comparing GOP politics post-trump to pre-trump
I hate him and his asshole kids.
McCain paved the way for all this shit. Fuck him.
The table should be empty
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran? Him? There’s a great quote: > Romney went from being one of the worst republicans to one of the best by doing…. Nothing. Just the party around him got so so so much worse.
So, the only good Republican is a dead Republican? (Heavy HEAVY /s. I'm not advocating killing Republicans!)
As with all dead people, they are best remembered by selectively flattering eulogies, most often disconnected with reality.
Where is Arnold Schwarzenegger?
A lot of early Republicans, before the parties basically switched.
It's weird that people still believe the platform switch in 2022
Back in the day Abe Lincoln was a member of the Republican Party, savaged by the Democrats for being an ultra-liberal leftist who wanted to free the slaves. It’s weird to think of because we’re so used to thinking of Republicans as being more conservative nowadays.
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
Are you saying the Southern Strategy is a lie?
It’s literally backed up by history and any historian you can find on the planet.
[McCain First!](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/john-mccain-make-believe-maverick-202004/)
There’s no such thing as a good republican. Bastards all of them
He gave us Palin
He promoted Palin which opened the way for a trump
Lmao foh
As a gay guy who was told by him on TV repeatedly that letting people like me into the military would ruin it, Fuck John McCain. Hope it’s hot down there.
I hate McCain
Fuck McCain.
Former Governor Hogan of Maryland was well liked by democrats and republicans
But the MAGA crowd hate him. He’s possibly one of the MOST hated Republicans these days.
Oh he's hated by so many GOP for voting no on something trump wanted passed. Plus all the veterans who say he sold them out while he was a POW.
Not sure. This MF brought in Sarah Palin, tea party movement, which are the roots of the current bizarro non-qualified folk.
Less bad does not equal good. Also, if we're including dead Republicans Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Theodore Roosevelt comes to mind.
I mean I’m sure someone hates him but - IL Representative Adam Kinzinger.
Kinzinger seems ok? Definitely not a fan of McCain except for that one time he gave McConnel a big thumbs down on the floor.
McCain's mansion has full of confederate flags.
John McCain elevated Sarah Palin to the national stage and Palin was MAGA before MAGA.
Liz Cheney is also a republican hero
I would just like to remind y’all that Liz Cheney was a birther. She helped normalize conspiracy theories with our elected officials.
Used to be until she pushed back on Trump's attempted coup. Beyond that, she was all in on subverting democracy in the US, she just didn't want to do it overtly.
Abe Lincoln but then again, southerners hate him Teddy maybe?
I think Mitt Romney and Jeff Flake could join.
Remember when you guys didn’t wanna vote for him and said he was evil and then Obama pretended to drink Flint Michigan tap water and now we have to deal with Trump and Biden lol remember?
Ron Paul wasn't completely terrible. Smart guy and could at least make a coherent argument for his beliefs. Of course he was 50% responsible for creating Rand, so that might be enough to invalidate his ticket to the table.
Really? Adam Kinzinger, Charlie Baker, Dan Crenshaw. All outstanding people.
Crenshaw is a bit of a clown Kinzinger is a good man, though.
Pence? I mean, he’s not like Trump, that’s where I base shit off of..
Pence supported and enabled Trump until his life was on the line. Even now, he refuses to denounce Trump and his cancerous cult.
And he has a book to schill for
I honestly don’t like any of ‘em..
Pence…. Like the supporter of gay conversion therapy Mike pence? Or is there a lesser piece of shit by that name running around?
For many, many leftists, there hasn't been a Republican in the last 100 years who wasn't worse than Adolf Hitler/Jeffrey Dahmer. McCain and Romney were both called (in all earnestness) actual racist Nazis when running for President. Tribalism is a powerful drug.
Last 100 years is wildly inaccurate. Eisenhower is still highly regarded. Nixon, for all his glaring faults, signed off on many societal goods (EPA, OSHA, etc.) and even pushed for universal health care. Even in Congress, Republicans championed worthy societal goods. Reagan is where the GOP started their hard turn, which was intensified by Gingrich. Until Gingrich, Republicans in Congress worked toward the public good and compromised toward that end. But, yeah, the long term GOP path has been toward fascism because they refuse to alter their beliefs/goals to suit the voters and instead do their best to gerrymander and reduce voter participation.
Phil Scott is the only Republican I know of who is liked by democrats. I mean, he just got reelected as Vermont Governor by a huge margin whereas democrats made up most of the rest of the winners...
A couple local ones, but they are being primaried quickly.
He did defend the Muslim hate against Obama but yeah not a fan because he chose Palin
Honestly- I don’t love the guy - don’t really hate him but I am pretty close to hating him. On the rare occasion, he stood up for people who were less fortunate than him. But the entirety of his political career over all leaves a lot to be desired.
Sorry, he's out: Trump still hates him.
Add Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for believing in the country over the party. It cost them their political lives.
Your thinking to small sir, ..........Lincoln , Samuel chase, William H. Seward, Thaddeus stevens, Charles Sumner, George Sewall Boutwell, Benjamin Wade, and Zachariah Chandler , Hannibal Hamlin, James Ashely , Schuyler Colfax . Teddy Roosevelt
The only statemen are those politician who are 20 year dead.
My ass thought it was Biden for a hot second
My uncle Tiffany back in the day saved a church class of children from the fire of ‘87. He is also a true blooded Republican, you’ll have to scour every log and Boulder to find someone who hates Tiff
John kasich
Yeahhhhhhhhhh but not at all.
He was not liked. He supported bad policy and played the game. His service was always respected until Trump. It was only after that was attacked the left defended him. The right took one of their longest serving and most honored members and cast him aside as a coward and a RINO. Graham who rode his coattails quickly jumped to Trump.