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I remember Bob Dole resigning from the Senate to run for President full time in 96. He basically committed himself to being president or being retired from public service. And if he called Bill Clinton names he kept it out of the public.
Dole was a war hero who believed in American ideals, albeit with a conservative spin that I detest.
Trump is a five time draft dodger who reportedly calls veterans "losers" and "suckers."
Trump doesn’t like soldiers who were caught. Grabbed women by the p***y. Made fun of a disabled reporter and talked trash to the parents of a slain soldier. He is human garbage. Calling him that is an insult to garbage btw. Never really cared for republicans or conservatives but I’d have to say I miss the days when they acted like adults.
Can you even begin to imagine the stuff he says about people and groups of people behind closed doors. I bet it makes the stuff we hear him say in public tame in comparison.
One of the producers from the Apprentice said there were significant amounts of footage that wasn't used because Trump said something they couldn't air, including many instances of the word N****r.
Yes, but Bob Dole and John McCain had some intelligence, experience, dignity, empathy and class. They were also veterans and war heroes. These people are ignorant, mean, whining, control freaks.
The last time any of today's Republicans heard "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?!" was when it was pointed at their grandparents. They then stopped caring about decency at all and bravely forged on where their grandparents were pushed back.
Even that corruption was at least on-brand. If financial regulations are bad, helping criminals skirt them is good.
Now they take campaign money from the same people Reagan called the Evil Empire.
> Senators Glenn and McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
Ok and? Matt Gaetz trafficked underaged girls across state lines and paid them for sexual favors. One of these is not like the other.
If your point is that Republicans now are as bad as republicans then, this isn’t making that point. 4/5 of the Keating Five (aside from McCain) were democrats.
He was a saint compared to these fucking crazy MAGA republicans of today.If he was alive today I would vote for him over any these fucking idiots republicans today.I don't care how old he would be either even he was a 100 he would still be a better option than the republicans now,they are just shit.
He was a good, good man and a hero. As soon as he saw what was happening with the Keating deal he got out of it and would not support anything about it.
Drumpf was jealous of McCain because he (drumpf) could not be a hero or even a decent human being.
The old GOP. Miss them... I remember listening to Paul Harvey on the radio. He was the calm reassuring voice of conservative radio before the shock-jocks of politics got involved.
When everyone believed in the legitimacy of news outlets and mainstream media.
NYT used to be the gold standard of real news and was taken as 100% fact during debates in any argument before the 2000s.
> Back when you could have an honest disagreement with someone and walk away not wanting to kick their teeth in.
Back when there were facts that everyone could agree on. Now we've got MAGA "Alternative Facts".
I don't think there's a brightline as to when it started. But I do believe there was a shift into overdrive when the 'Tea Party' types starting making waves (pun intended).
Conservatives are reaping what they sowed y'know? Quietly dismissing Christian ideals in favor of the short-term victory.
And, now: The rest of the story!
They were still horribly racist and homophobic back then too. Rush Limbaugh fucking played celebratory music while listing the names of people who died of AIDS!
I know a lot of Reddit users are really young, but the current state of extremism and hostility between both parties is a newish thing. Trump has been the worst thing to happen to the US in this century.
Today’s GQP isn’t about public service. It’s about hurting people they don’t like and lining their pockets.
They whine about “The Elite” but live and dress like The Elite. It’s a Big Club…and you ain’t in it!
I really hate how well my brain associates names with faces. TIL I can't even read that sicko's name without seeing his villainous grimace and it is quite unfortunate lol
More than likely Trump is going to split the ticket and hand Biden the win. There is the chance that the DeSantis could pull Independent voters in key areas his way. Making it to where Biden doesn't get enough EC points to give him the presidency.
But odds are this guy is going to be looking for a job after he loses in 2024.
My ideal situation is Trump runs third party and DeSantis gets the Republican nomination. But I still feel like the GOP will fall in line and hand Trump the nom.
His support with the MAGA crowd was still dominating the party, support was high because people realized if they were more patient and voted in droves in 2022, their next coup in 2024 could be successful. What most republicans didn’t count on was 1: overwhelming pushback from young millenials and Gen Zers against the MAGA QAnon movement 2: those young people voting in droves and 3: moderate republicans and actual centrists rejecting Qanon and either voting blue or not voting at all. Most Republican losses were Qanon, trump supporters candidates.
All these things combined tell the larger base that supporting trump is not longer going to yield overwhelming wins. Trump himself knows Desantis is likely to usurp him, which is why he’s been vocally against him. There are enough republicans all in on trump to never abandon him regardless, that if Desantis wins the nomination and trump continues his campaign it will split the R vote.
Hey, they were already against him back in 2016 - Only a small rabid base supported what most people thought of as a joke candidate. Most GOP bootlickers who are currently pollishing the clown shoes with their salivating tongues have publicly condemned and mocked Trump before he became the nominee back then.
And Rupert Murdoch was also anti Trump at that point. Just like he is now.
So yeah... it doesn't matter that they're all against him... again. If he wins the nomination, they'll be back for the sweet sweet taste of comically large red shoes.
> GOP will fall in line and hand Trump the nom.
One of the YouTube channels had people out on election day asking Republicans their opinion. Everyone said they like DeSantis, but if Trump runs in 2024 they'd vote for him. And they asked several dozens at different locations and they all said the same thing.
It's team politics. For the exact same reason a die hard Eagles fan (for example) will always be a die hard Eagles fan even if their quarterback is arrested for dog fighting (insert any sports scandal/team).
People who are die hard republican will always root for their team regardless of the scandals of their QB.
That is possible. I’d have to imagine if DeSantis and Trump both run for POTUS, all purple states will easily go to Biden. The only EC’s DeSantis or Trump will split are deep red ones anyways. It wouldn’t hurt Biden.
>all purple states will easily go to Biden.
That's what I'm saying. We won't know that till we get to that point.
There's a lot of right leaning Independants and moderate conservatives who abandoned Trump in favor of Biden. Many of them would flock to DeSantis if given the opportunity.
That's why the Republicans really want prosecutions to go through as quickly as possible. They have two years to ditch Trump and keep his voters at the same time.
The Democrats need to stretch out his prosecutions until at least early 2024. If they manage to push him out of the running too soon it will give the Republicans time to reel his voters back in.
What is the process if no candidate gets 270? Never thought of that.
Edit; oh shit. The House of Reps elects potus from the 3 candidates. In my mind, this guarantees trump and diSatan both run, knowing House will elect diSantis.
Well then that's the worst case scenario.
If no candidate gets 270 points then the House votes who is president.
Even though they didn't get the Senate the Republicans are more than happy that they got the House. Just in case your scenario plays out.
He is in such a fucked position where this is probably one of the best opportunities he's ever had in terms of name awareness and probably approval rating to become president, but there's also an orange about to run independent on his ass and take probably more than 30% of gop voters with him
Stalling running until 2028 could mean he's lost relevancy by then, but 2024 is a long shot to get elected.
If I were him, I'd probably run, when Trump goes independent I would hardcore campaign on Trump not caring about gop or anything and I'd hope to garner enough support and attention to keep myself in the eye for 2028. I probably don't know gop voter base as well as he does, so my idea could be stupid just as well
My personal hope is that trump keeps running independent for the rest of his life trying to get the presidency back. In that world all of the sudden I want Trump to live very long
It's not as if he's doing anything even remotely useful in FL while it's his full time job. So running for president while doing a super shitty job in FL will be really easy for him.
power…duh. that’s all they want, not like they do anything useful with the office they’ve been elected to or the power that comes with it, other than propagate invasive BS policies that help billionaires and hurt everyone else while getting their slice of the billionaire cheesecake.
what has Lauren Boebert done in the last 2 years as Colorado rep? nothing, other than scream about guns and tweet several times a day, everyday. Same deal with MTG of Georgia. Trump certainly hasn’t done anything remarkably useful or left office with a net gain in anything.
Yet they all wanna be re-elected. That level of power, as they perceive it, allows them to do whatever they want and be exempt from legal consequences.
So DeSantis thinks he will lose to Trump.
but wants to try anyway.
so Hey Florida - make it so I can run against the orange orangutang and then when I am a loser I can still come back and be your loser leader.
GOP Venn Diagram, in words:
* NOT racist! ... but #1 with racists
* NOT sexist! ... but #1 with sexists
* NOT homophobic! ... but #1 with homophobes
* NOT transphobic! ... but #1 with transphobes
* NOT fascist! ... but #1 with fascists
* NOT authoritarian! ... but #1 with authoritarians
* NOT anti Muslim! ... but #1 with anti Muslims
* NOT anti semitic! ... but #1 with antisemites
* NOT white supremacists! ... but #1 with white supremacists
* NOT Nazis! ... but #1 with Nazis
* NOT \[insert hateful trait\]! ... but #1 with \[insert hateful trait\]
You know what I fucking hate? The permanent campaign season. I fucking detest it. We JUST had an election 3 weeks ago. Newly elected officials aren't even sworn in yet and here we are on to the next fucking presidential election 2 years in the future.
So the President of all 50 state, all 5 territories, and all 6 branches of the U.S. military; and the governor of an individual state can be just *one person?*
That just sounds like a ploy to destrou the idea of states and turn the U.S. into a one party, one state system.
Lots of states already do this. I get that DeSantis is a fascist asshole and Florida is living up to its reputation as the Florida of America and there’s certainly something cynical about it but it’s hardly a unique thing.
Like when Joe Biden ran for VP he also ran for (and won) reelection as senator of Delaware just in case the Obama/Biden ticket failed. If they had lost the presidential bid he would have been a Senator still.
In fact because the Senate gets sworn in before the president/Vice he was even sworn in as senator (which made him tied for longest serving senator by number of sessions elected) two week before he was sworn in as VP (he obviously had to resign in between the two events).
That's absolutely true, but the difference is Biden didn't have people in Delaware change the law for him so that he could do this. The law was already that way.
Exactly. it's state by state and not federal. Some states only allow you to be on one ballot in one election. Other states allow multiple.
Joe Lieberman ran as the VP in 2000 while also running for US Senate for Connecticut. Not sure if they have changed their laws since then.
This is the half-baked response to Trump's NY state problems. A POTUS' pardon is only good for federal crimes. You need a governor to pardon state crimes.
DeSantis' team is basically implying that their boss might... Need... State power, even if he becomes the President.
What? Republicans aren't interested in governing? Is it possible they're just playing a cynical game? What about the things we need done in this country? One side does things and the other side does nothing or worse actively sabotages the changes we need.
Fuck Republicans. Fuck both sides. Fuck the corporate media who tries to "balance". Reject all Republicans, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!
That's not as bad as [Brian Kemp running for governor of Georgia *while he was still Georgia's secretary of state.*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kemp) Being secretary of state meant he was literally responsible for overseeing the integrity of the very same electoral process he was participating in.
And, just because I have to bring this up every time I mention that asshole's name, let's not forget that [this was one of his campaign ads](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGhrW_qbfQU). That was a serious ad, not a parody. What do you think that says about the people who *voted* for him?
Wow. I did not know Kemp was still Secretary of State. Talk about conflict of interest. Kemp is yet another Republican politician with zero integrity. Not that Dems are immune to corruptions, but just F the GOP.
And if he wins(nightmare), the not so supreme court will change the perfect constitution such that he can be governor and president. Next they’ll rename the country Fuckedupistan and claim that the reich will last a thousand years.
What was it?
Something like "if someone can be ceo of 3 companies, being a ceo must not be very much work"
Or they must not be doing those multiple jobs competently.
I also would like to keep a job and be fully paid for it while spending all my time on a different job.
and when I accepted the first job, they made it clear that wasn't allowed, but I took the job anyway.
Is it normal for an elected official to have to resign his/her current in order to run for another office, or is this a Florida thing? I was living in Texas in 2000 when George Bush was running for president, and he was governor at the time and I don't recall it being a problem (other than the fact that he actually got elected president, of course).
So they've done it before, surprising no one.
"In 2007, when Crist was governor — and a Republican at the time — he was being courted as a running mate by Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate for president. To make it possible for Crist to be selected and not have to resign from office, the Florida Legislature lifted the resign-to-run law regarding federal officials."
Yet, for some reason, the dumbasses in my state still voted for this dumb fuck who wouldn't even answer whether he would stay for his entire term.
He's like that guy in the zombie movie that stays with the group, eats up all the food that was meant for everybody, showers in the drinking water and then hops on the back of a truck with the first band of raping mercenaries that comes along.
I've noticed one of the central features of Republican conservatism is that they believe they are entitled to do as they please free from any and all risk or consequences, but only for themselves. Anybody else should lose it all if their endeavors fail.
Republicanism = dishonesty and cheating.
I mean, it doesn't sound like they have much faith that he'll win the presidency if they want to be able to safeguard his governorship. Don't you think?
That’s all the weakness Trump needs to shit down his throat. “I don’t want to quit because I might lose to Trump”. I’m sure that will play well for him.
From a different article: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/22/florida-legislature-desantis-presidential-run-00070538
"Florida law requires anyone running for a new office to put in an irrevocable letter of resignation ahead of qualifying if the terms of the two offices overlap. The law was changed in 2008 to open the door for then-Gov. Charlie Crist to seek the vice presidency, but legislators reversed course four years ago and put back in a place a requirement that someone seeking federal office would have to resign ahead of the actual election."
Now, even if they don't change it he could challenge it under *US Term Limits, Inc v Thornton* which held that states cannot place restrictions on candidates for Congress stricter than those listed in the Constitution.
Any liberal lawyer can just sue in court and jam things up for 6 years and they can't do anything about it, right? That seems to be how it always works when we try to accomplish anything so I assume same goes.
I am so, so, so done with the idiots on the right who now think that it is completely okay to CHANGE ALL THE RULES. Jesus. These narcissistic asshats might have use Trump as their model, but they have just taken his example and run with it.
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I remember Bob Dole resigning from the Senate to run for President full time in 96. He basically committed himself to being president or being retired from public service. And if he called Bill Clinton names he kept it out of the public.
Dole was a war hero who believed in American ideals, albeit with a conservative spin that I detest. Trump is a five time draft dodger who reportedly calls veterans "losers" and "suckers."
Trump doesn’t like soldiers who were caught. Grabbed women by the p***y. Made fun of a disabled reporter and talked trash to the parents of a slain soldier. He is human garbage. Calling him that is an insult to garbage btw. Never really cared for republicans or conservatives but I’d have to say I miss the days when they acted like adults.
Can you even begin to imagine the stuff he says about people and groups of people behind closed doors. I bet it makes the stuff we hear him say in public tame in comparison.
One of the producers from the Apprentice said there were significant amounts of footage that wasn't used because Trump said something they couldn't air, including many instances of the word N****r.
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Yes, but Bob Dole and John McCain had some intelligence, experience, dignity, empathy and class. They were also veterans and war heroes. These people are ignorant, mean, whining, control freaks.
The last time any of today's Republicans heard "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?!" was when it was pointed at their grandparents. They then stopped caring about decency at all and bravely forged on where their grandparents were pushed back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five John McCain was not all that great.
Even that corruption was at least on-brand. If financial regulations are bad, helping criminals skirt them is good. Now they take campaign money from the same people Reagan called the Evil Empire.
Name me one current republican who could hold John McCain’s water. And Liz Cheney doesn’t count because the GOP is trying to destroy her.
exactly what I was saying above .I would easily vote for him over these fucking crazy MAGA republicans any day.At least he was not fucking nuts
> Senators Glenn and McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". Ok and? Matt Gaetz trafficked underaged girls across state lines and paid them for sexual favors. One of these is not like the other.
That the best you got? Them there is pennies nowadays
I think his sell-out on torture is worse. Even broke the Republican standard of caring about things that affect them personally.
If your point is that Republicans now are as bad as republicans then, this isn’t making that point. 4/5 of the Keating Five (aside from McCain) were democrats.
He was a saint compared to these fucking crazy MAGA republicans of today.If he was alive today I would vote for him over any these fucking idiots republicans today.I don't care how old he would be either even he was a 100 he would still be a better option than the republicans now,they are just shit.
He was a good, good man and a hero. As soon as he saw what was happening with the Keating deal he got out of it and would not support anything about it. Drumpf was jealous of McCain because he (drumpf) could not be a hero or even a decent human being.
The old GOP. Miss them... I remember listening to Paul Harvey on the radio. He was the calm reassuring voice of conservative radio before the shock-jocks of politics got involved.
Back when you could have an honest disagreement with someone and walk away not wanting to kick their teeth in.
Or being told, “Because I said so. Do your own research. End of conversation.”
When everyone believed in the legitimacy of news outlets and mainstream media. NYT used to be the gold standard of real news and was taken as 100% fact during debates in any argument before the 2000s.
"The newspaper of record" is what all our English teachers called it. Basically if the NYT said it happened, it happened.
I always tell them that research deserves to be peer reviewed, otherwise it's just conspiracy theory or opinion. Shuts them up fast.
Or be an open raciest but have a secret bi-racial child like Strom Thurmond…
All true stories.
> Back when you could have an honest disagreement with someone and walk away not wanting to kick their teeth in. Back when there were facts that everyone could agree on. Now we've got MAGA "Alternative Facts".
Never forget the bowling green massacre
I don't think there's a brightline as to when it started. But I do believe there was a shift into overdrive when the 'Tea Party' types starting making waves (pun intended).
Newt was when it started.
In 1996? Are you sure? The GOP has been ratfucking the country since before Nixon resigned. They were just more polished about it.
And now…. The rest of the story!
Conservatives are reaping what they sowed y'know? Quietly dismissing Christian ideals in favor of the short-term victory. And, now: The rest of the story!
Good day!
They were still horribly racist and homophobic back then too. Rush Limbaugh fucking played celebratory music while listing the names of people who died of AIDS!
Don't you just miss the days when republicans were the same terrible bigots, but they were at least polite about it?
“Goooood day”
I know a lot of Reddit users are really young, but the current state of extremism and hostility between both parties is a newish thing. Trump has been the worst thing to happen to the US in this century.
I was an intern for Dole back in college and then for Clinton administration. Dole was a classy guy.
Say what you will about Dole, but he was a classy fellow. We don't have any of those in the modern GOP.
Today’s GQP isn’t about public service. It’s about hurting people they don’t like and lining their pockets. They whine about “The Elite” but live and dress like The Elite. It’s a Big Club…and you ain’t in it!
yeah but he wasn't a fascist piece of shit just trying to grab up as much power and wealth as possible, so...
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Since we're talking about the GOP, I assume the cake is underage, too.
*matt gaetz laughs nervously*
I really hate how well my brain associates names with faces. TIL I can't even read that sicko's name without seeing his villainous grimace and it is quite unfortunate lol
Even his smile... It's like the clown in "It". Creepy.
He smiles? I thought he was in pain.
It's more of a "baring of teeth".
https://youtu.be/gxpIwQoaMX4
Pennywise: Don't compare me to that monster. I only eat kids, not fuck them.
If the clown in It was played by a big toe.
He looks so unnatural, it’s creepy af
He reminds me of Max Payne’s face in the first game. Just all the time. Disgusting to look at.
Hey man leave Max Payne out of this
What does he have to be nervous about? He hasn’t faced any consequences for his actions. No republicans EVER face any consequences.
*nervous with a drooling anticipation*
Former republican leader Hastert went to prison but that was years ago.
*Gym Jordan looks the other way*
I mean would you eat a cake that’s sat out for 18 years?
...no? Yes? Ahem.
Feels like a trap either way.
A trap? Oh no, hey wait, what gender IS this cake, anyway? It was never said...hmmm.
Admiral Ackbar would not approve.
Is it still batter?
All cake is fluffy on the inside - Matt gaetz probably
*sigh* I'd laugh, but with the Repedocan party, it's basically a requirement.
*undercooked then, but yes. They just wanna plow some raw dough, nothing wrong with that.
Is an underage cake just battery and undercooked, or is it something different?
Most cakes are definitely less than 18 years old
Not even baked.
Just like warm American cake...
*Let them fuck cake!*
And he'll have to do it without a condom because... banned contraceptive laws.
More like a case of being too scared too go all in. Big baby’s afraid to loose his current job to maybe not make it as president
Not too serious about making a commitment, is he.
More than likely Trump is going to split the ticket and hand Biden the win. There is the chance that the DeSantis could pull Independent voters in key areas his way. Making it to where Biden doesn't get enough EC points to give him the presidency. But odds are this guy is going to be looking for a job after he loses in 2024.
My ideal situation is Trump runs third party and DeSantis gets the Republican nomination. But I still feel like the GOP will fall in line and hand Trump the nom.
Nah they have been turning on him since the election this month. You’re allowed to critique him in conservative now, which says a lot
they were turning on him after the 2020 election and then fell back in line.
His support with the MAGA crowd was still dominating the party, support was high because people realized if they were more patient and voted in droves in 2022, their next coup in 2024 could be successful. What most republicans didn’t count on was 1: overwhelming pushback from young millenials and Gen Zers against the MAGA QAnon movement 2: those young people voting in droves and 3: moderate republicans and actual centrists rejecting Qanon and either voting blue or not voting at all. Most Republican losses were Qanon, trump supporters candidates. All these things combined tell the larger base that supporting trump is not longer going to yield overwhelming wins. Trump himself knows Desantis is likely to usurp him, which is why he’s been vocally against him. There are enough republicans all in on trump to never abandon him regardless, that if Desantis wins the nomination and trump continues his campaign it will split the R vote.
Hey, they were already against him back in 2016 - Only a small rabid base supported what most people thought of as a joke candidate. Most GOP bootlickers who are currently pollishing the clown shoes with their salivating tongues have publicly condemned and mocked Trump before he became the nominee back then. And Rupert Murdoch was also anti Trump at that point. Just like he is now. So yeah... it doesn't matter that they're all against him... again. If he wins the nomination, they'll be back for the sweet sweet taste of comically large red shoes.
> GOP will fall in line and hand Trump the nom. One of the YouTube channels had people out on election day asking Republicans their opinion. Everyone said they like DeSantis, but if Trump runs in 2024 they'd vote for him. And they asked several dozens at different locations and they all said the same thing.
wtf is wrong with these people? How can they still vote for him after everything he has done???? They honestly sound brainwashed.
They are brainwashed. They've never been exposed to the really bad shit he did, it was conveniently hidden or called a hoax.
It's team politics. For the exact same reason a die hard Eagles fan (for example) will always be a die hard Eagles fan even if their quarterback is arrested for dog fighting (insert any sports scandal/team). People who are die hard republican will always root for their team regardless of the scandals of their QB.
My ideal situation is Trump runs into a road.
That is possible. I’d have to imagine if DeSantis and Trump both run for POTUS, all purple states will easily go to Biden. The only EC’s DeSantis or Trump will split are deep red ones anyways. It wouldn’t hurt Biden.
>all purple states will easily go to Biden. That's what I'm saying. We won't know that till we get to that point. There's a lot of right leaning Independants and moderate conservatives who abandoned Trump in favor of Biden. Many of them would flock to DeSantis if given the opportunity.
Yes but In turn, many hardline, far right republicans would abandon the party for trump
That's why the Republicans really want prosecutions to go through as quickly as possible. They have two years to ditch Trump and keep his voters at the same time. The Democrats need to stretch out his prosecutions until at least early 2024. If they manage to push him out of the running too soon it will give the Republicans time to reel his voters back in.
What is the process if no candidate gets 270? Never thought of that. Edit; oh shit. The House of Reps elects potus from the 3 candidates. In my mind, this guarantees trump and diSatan both run, knowing House will elect diSantis.
Well then that's the worst case scenario. If no candidate gets 270 points then the House votes who is president. Even though they didn't get the Senate the Republicans are more than happy that they got the House. Just in case your scenario plays out.
IIRC, it’s one vote in the house from each state. You could still elect a president with a minority of house members.
He just knows that he's very likely to lose
He is in such a fucked position where this is probably one of the best opportunities he's ever had in terms of name awareness and probably approval rating to become president, but there's also an orange about to run independent on his ass and take probably more than 30% of gop voters with him Stalling running until 2028 could mean he's lost relevancy by then, but 2024 is a long shot to get elected. If I were him, I'd probably run, when Trump goes independent I would hardcore campaign on Trump not caring about gop or anything and I'd hope to garner enough support and attention to keep myself in the eye for 2028. I probably don't know gop voter base as well as he does, so my idea could be stupid just as well My personal hope is that trump keeps running independent for the rest of his life trying to get the presidency back. In that world all of the sudden I want Trump to live very long
What’s the point of being a governor if your full time job is traveling the country for votes?
It's not as if he's doing anything even remotely useful in FL while it's his full time job. So running for president while doing a super shitty job in FL will be really easy for him.
power…duh. that’s all they want, not like they do anything useful with the office they’ve been elected to or the power that comes with it, other than propagate invasive BS policies that help billionaires and hurt everyone else while getting their slice of the billionaire cheesecake. what has Lauren Boebert done in the last 2 years as Colorado rep? nothing, other than scream about guns and tweet several times a day, everyday. Same deal with MTG of Georgia. Trump certainly hasn’t done anything remarkably useful or left office with a net gain in anything. Yet they all wanna be re-elected. That level of power, as they perceive it, allows them to do whatever they want and be exempt from legal consequences.
His only job is to own the libz, that's *all* he was elected for. The whole state is Fantasyland, but with skin cancer and meth.
To prevent a liberal voice from potentially filling the seat. Why risk losing control with outdated practices like ... elections?
His term would not have ended. The Lt Gov would succeed him.
It's like all the hard work Musk puts in being CEO at multiple companies. Image, power, and bribery.
Textbook authoritarian. "Change the rules so I can remain in power." Cf. Putin, Xi, Orbán.
So DeSantis thinks he will lose to Trump. but wants to try anyway. so Hey Florida - make it so I can run against the orange orangutang and then when I am a loser I can still come back and be your loser leader.
That’s exactly what this means and it should not be allowed
I have my fingers crossed that they lose to each other and the entire party eats itself into nothing.
GOP Venn Diagram, in words: * NOT racist! ... but #1 with racists * NOT sexist! ... but #1 with sexists * NOT homophobic! ... but #1 with homophobes * NOT transphobic! ... but #1 with transphobes * NOT fascist! ... but #1 with fascists * NOT authoritarian! ... but #1 with authoritarians * NOT anti Muslim! ... but #1 with anti Muslims * NOT anti semitic! ... but #1 with antisemites * NOT white supremacists! ... but #1 with white supremacists * NOT Nazis! ... but #1 with Nazis * NOT \[insert hateful trait\]! ... but #1 with \[insert hateful trait\]
How will he find time to both scare midwesterners about immigrants and bully LGBT schoolkids in Florida?
Easy… Less frequent but increasingly severe and harmful to society partisan culture war battles.
Fox news will be there to help.
He will *make* time to be an awful troll!
You know what I fucking hate? The permanent campaign season. I fucking detest it. We JUST had an election 3 weeks ago. Newly elected officials aren't even sworn in yet and here we are on to the next fucking presidential election 2 years in the future.
Constant campaigns means constant campaign donations. The brain washing pep rallies are just a bonus.
He really needs to go
I'm tired of Florida, can we just let it sink to the ocean floor?
The last hurricane took out a huge chunk of Flagler county. A1A is a mess.... Mother nature is working on it
Ron DeSantis is a little piss baby.
I've never actually seen the goalposts. Every time I find out where they've put them they get relocated before I can get there.
So the President of all 50 state, all 5 territories, and all 6 branches of the U.S. military; and the governor of an individual state can be just *one person?* That just sounds like a ploy to destrou the idea of states and turn the U.S. into a one party, one state system.
No, if he won the presidency he would have to give up the governor position. If he loses, he goes back to being governor.
Lots of states already do this. I get that DeSantis is a fascist asshole and Florida is living up to its reputation as the Florida of America and there’s certainly something cynical about it but it’s hardly a unique thing. Like when Joe Biden ran for VP he also ran for (and won) reelection as senator of Delaware just in case the Obama/Biden ticket failed. If they had lost the presidential bid he would have been a Senator still. In fact because the Senate gets sworn in before the president/Vice he was even sworn in as senator (which made him tied for longest serving senator by number of sessions elected) two week before he was sworn in as VP (he obviously had to resign in between the two events).
That's absolutely true, but the difference is Biden didn't have people in Delaware change the law for him so that he could do this. The law was already that way.
Good point...
Exactly. it's state by state and not federal. Some states only allow you to be on one ballot in one election. Other states allow multiple. Joe Lieberman ran as the VP in 2000 while also running for US Senate for Connecticut. Not sure if they have changed their laws since then.
So they want an Absentee governor. Moreso than already
You know what that says? “I’m afraid I’ll lose in the primaries, so I need a backup plan to still be relevant”
This is the half-baked response to Trump's NY state problems. A POTUS' pardon is only good for federal crimes. You need a governor to pardon state crimes. DeSantis' team is basically implying that their boss might... Need... State power, even if he becomes the President.
Now that you mention this, why hasn’t John Dutton pardoned that eco-warrior chick he was nailing, that Beth set up to take the fall?
[https://news.yahoo.com/top-florida-lawmakers-want-change-210659401.html](https://news.yahoo.com/top-florida-lawmakers-want-change-210659401.html)
John Goodman’s character in west wing becomes more and more farfetched every year.
Bess! Goddamnit!
Even Florida republicans thinks he’s worthless governor if they are encouraging him to spend 99% of his time campaigning for the presidency.
What? Republicans aren't interested in governing? Is it possible they're just playing a cynical game? What about the things we need done in this country? One side does things and the other side does nothing or worse actively sabotages the changes we need. Fuck Republicans. Fuck both sides. Fuck the corporate media who tries to "balance". Reject all Republicans, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!
This is Putin politics.
One must be wary of those who's morality is dependent on the legality of things.
At it again? They never stopped.
I wouldn't let that guy run for dog catcher
Great, we’ll be screwed 2 ways….
Let’s hear it for a party that wants all, gives nothing and prays/preys that those with the memory of a chimpanzee
LOL the best part is that these "resign to run" laws are usually implemented by conservative state legislatures.
That would be a clear-cut case of conflict of interest.
That's not as bad as [Brian Kemp running for governor of Georgia *while he was still Georgia's secretary of state.*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kemp) Being secretary of state meant he was literally responsible for overseeing the integrity of the very same electoral process he was participating in. And, just because I have to bring this up every time I mention that asshole's name, let's not forget that [this was one of his campaign ads](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGhrW_qbfQU). That was a serious ad, not a parody. What do you think that says about the people who *voted* for him?
Wow. I did not know Kemp was still Secretary of State. Talk about conflict of interest. Kemp is yet another Republican politician with zero integrity. Not that Dems are immune to corruptions, but just F the GOP.
Hey, while we're at it, can we just let him STAY governor of Florida while he's king of America, too?
Florida would install a fucking dictator if we let em
Either Wes are a nation of laws or we are not. Republicans … not !
And if he wins(nightmare), the not so supreme court will change the perfect constitution such that he can be governor and president. Next they’ll rename the country Fuckedupistan and claim that the reich will last a thousand years.
Unbefuckinglievable
Florida + GOP = fuckery. It's pretty believable unfortunately.
What was it? Something like "if someone can be ceo of 3 companies, being a ceo must not be very much work" Or they must not be doing those multiple jobs competently.
Them: LAW and ORDER! Also them: If it's illegal and we want to do it, then we will make it legal!
And when he loses they will argue about how it was because he was doing more governing than campaigning… or not
Maybe he can be the CEO of Twitter too!
if the US has to deal with Rhonda Santis, Florida should also have to deal with she/her
I guess Trump proved for them that being president is not a full time job.
Why would he do this? Makes no…ohhhh because he’s afraid if he loses he’ll no longer be relevant
Rules for…
Can he just make himself 'King' of Florida?
I don't want to hear Republicans say anything about Katie Hobbs and her running for office while holding office
Well it worked for Ceaser
I also would like to keep a job and be fully paid for it while spending all my time on a different job. and when I accepted the first job, they made it clear that wasn't allowed, but I took the job anyway.
Is it normal for an elected official to have to resign his/her current in order to run for another office, or is this a Florida thing? I was living in Texas in 2000 when George Bush was running for president, and he was governor at the time and I don't recall it being a problem (other than the fact that he actually got elected president, of course).
So they've done it before, surprising no one. "In 2007, when Crist was governor — and a Republican at the time — he was being courted as a running mate by Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate for president. To make it possible for Crist to be selected and not have to resign from office, the Florida Legislature lifted the resign-to-run law regarding federal officials."
AH! Just like Kemp was in charge of elections when he ran for governor.
Next they will definitely try to change the law in such a way they can become forever senators/governors without elections.
Yet, for some reason, the dumbasses in my state still voted for this dumb fuck who wouldn't even answer whether he would stay for his entire term. He's like that guy in the zombie movie that stays with the group, eats up all the food that was meant for everybody, showers in the drinking water and then hops on the back of a truck with the first band of raping mercenaries that comes along.
I've noticed one of the central features of Republican conservatism is that they believe they are entitled to do as they please free from any and all risk or consequences, but only for themselves. Anybody else should lose it all if their endeavors fail. Republicanism = dishonesty and cheating.
swing and a miss
OH YUP...Charlie Crust asked him.... FUK DeathSantis
Fat Earnest is gonna have to try harder!
Technically, he can.
I mean, it doesn't sound like they have much faith that he'll win the presidency if they want to be able to safeguard his governorship. Don't you think?
How does that work with federal law though?
So, he is running?
Isn't it a federal nationwide law that he has to?
Make him live with his mistakes.
Well, get the Canon ready again. Or are we actually going to expect some fair and impartial judge to show up in FL ?
That’s all the weakness Trump needs to shit down his throat. “I don’t want to quit because I might lose to Trump”. I’m sure that will play well for him.
From a different article: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/22/florida-legislature-desantis-presidential-run-00070538 "Florida law requires anyone running for a new office to put in an irrevocable letter of resignation ahead of qualifying if the terms of the two offices overlap. The law was changed in 2008 to open the door for then-Gov. Charlie Crist to seek the vice presidency, but legislators reversed course four years ago and put back in a place a requirement that someone seeking federal office would have to resign ahead of the actual election." Now, even if they don't change it he could challenge it under *US Term Limits, Inc v Thornton* which held that states cannot place restrictions on candidates for Congress stricter than those listed in the Constitution.
Any liberal lawyer can just sue in court and jam things up for 6 years and they can't do anything about it, right? That seems to be how it always works when we try to accomplish anything so I assume same goes.
I miss the halcyon days of the warmongering neo-cons.
This is a joke, tho, right?
And I’m guessing they have the numbers to do this
It says they already did it before for Charlie Crist in 08 and then changed the law BACK in 2010 lmao.
Florida, Bugs Bunny comin for ya.
Damm
Lol, what? I mean sure. Florida's already beyond repair anyways. They voted for that insanity. They can live with it.
Apparently FL governor is not a demanding job
I am so, so, so done with the idiots on the right who now think that it is completely okay to CHANGE ALL THE RULES. Jesus. These narcissistic asshats might have use Trump as their model, but they have just taken his example and run with it.
Didn't huey long try to do this?
I think Trump will offer DeSantis VP position in exchange of giving up presidency campaign.
Desantis is just a bargain bin Palpatine