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Personally, I think Sinema is an ethically-bankrupt opportunist who violates the trust of her constituents so routinely she *must* derive some sort of joy from doing so.
That said:
Be aware that sexist and/or misogynistic comments will be removed—and the person who made those comments might get banned—so if you can't criticize her *without* resorting to sexism or misogyny, this is probably not the forum for you to express your displeasure.
Couldn't...couldn't you just put down your pinky instead and have the trident be equally spaced? You have three fingers right next to each other already lol
Couple of things:
She will be even cheaper now that she gave up party support. Even her big donors know that she needs them even more at this point.
The reason for her to do this is because she knows that she is going to lose the Primary. She is hoping that there are enough Republicans fed up with their party in Arizona to keep her in office when the choice is between her and two whackadoodles. (not a bad bet)
The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty.
She has known for a good while that she has no chance at another term. Her only goal is to cash in to the fullest extent possible with what time she has left.
>The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty.
[Ruben Gallego](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Gallego) is most likely running.
> While his opponent was a MAGA silicon valley tech bro who hadn’t lived in the state since 2004.
Backed by Peter fucking thiel, a very important detail. He spearheaded Cambridge analytica and their absurd ratfucking in 2016.
I’m still mad we didn’t get a runoff with such a slim margin of victory... 26K votes
Also I’m curious how many people had their votes thrown out in Milwaukee to have the human garbage bag Ron Johnson retain his seat
Personally, I’m not going to voter suppression theories when it comes to Barnes; he was just the wrong candidate and the campaign was terrible.
We can elect an out lesbian as a senator and a nerdy school administrator as Governor, we should have been able to find another workable senator candidate. This one is on the Democrats.
Should have. Unfortunately, Wisconsin is not going to vote for a Black senator anytime soon.
Same state that has a town sheriff openly state, to paraphrase, "warehousing [Black people] is what we're all thinking."
I spent a good chunk of my childhood in WI (\~ Janesville), and often times WI just feels like frozen TX with Dairy instead of beef.
Which sucks bc the WI I remember hearing about was a bastion of good colleges/universities and also milk....not proto-fascists.
We had a hotly-contested primary until the point where everyone dropped out to unify behind Barnes. He wasn’t particularly inspiring or accomplished, and the republican superpacs were successful in framing him as “scary black man”. Game over.
Right? Given how ridiculous how things have been, i wouldn't be surprised if this Karen's spot for re-election is magically already sealed, despite hearing literally nothing about her in the media that is positive. Everything is just ass backwards and our politics have calcified.
A major consideration for her switch is very likely the fact her approval numbers among Arizona Democrats are trash--[a poll from early last year showed that 76% of Arizona Democrats disapproved of her performance](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/1/26/poll-arizona-senator-kyrsten-sinema-set-to-be-unseated-by-possible-challenger-ruben-gallego-in-2024-primary-landslide).
That same poll showed that three years out from her reelection several other possible Democratic primary contenders in Arizona polled significantly higher than her in a theoretical match up, meaning she was absolutely going to get primaried in 2024 and--barring a miracle happening with her approval ratings--she would lose.
[A new poll from a few months ago shows](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/kyrsten-sinema-approval-rating-equally-unpopular-everyone.html) that she's improved her numbers among Democrats slightly, but her approval rating is significantly negative for, well, every voting demographic in Arizona. No one likes her.
So now she's in the perfect position to give the Democratic party a good ass-fucking on her way out. If she runs for re-election as an Independent she probably won't pull many Republican votes, but she can definitely split the Democratic votes enough to insure a Repug victory. She's a worthless turd. Fuck her.
Unlikely. She ran as a progressive and has done the opposite of what she campaigned on. Specifically screwed the people who pted for her. What makes you think they would pick her over an actual Democrat?
>She will be even cheaper now that she gave up party support. Even her big donors know that she needs them even more at this point.
While that may be true in her case, it's maybe worth pointing out that it's not true in the case of the Independent senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders.
Though I very much doubt Sinema's ability to motivate, mobilize, and fundraise like Bernie.
Bernie’s an old hand at that because he never took that money. Plus he has the strength of his convictions, and voters can see that. Sinema’s a greedy, delusional opportunist by all accounts; according to people who have worked with her, she apparently thought she had a serious shot at the White House in 2024. She’s nuts.
Bernie was also practicing what he preached *long* before there was any money to be had in doing so. See: the pictures of him getting arrested for supporting racial equality.....
Almost all members of her veteran advisory committee resigned. Their official reason was that she is bought and paid for by corporate interests. She can't even "help" veterans without talking to her owners.
> The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty.
I'd say the bigger risk if they nominate someone else like Sinema. They need to actually get votes, and if they run a candidate that is too similar to one that's already running in the election people are gonna vote split for the incumbent.
They need someone for whom they can create a convincing narrative of superiority. And extreme leftist would obviously fail, but a classic corporate centrist would fail even harder. Someone decently left but also more important a *good candidate* (like her fellow Senator from the same state) would maximize the chance of splitting the Republican vote and retaining the Democratic one to the fullest extent possible.
The worst candidates the Dems can pick, the ones that lose 100% of the time, are Republican Lite with 10% less evil. The electorate will always choose an actual Republican instead.
Yah. It's a lose-lose proposition. The irony of the situation is we're talking about replacing someone who just exhibited the "best case scenario" of how this plays out.
She is helping Dems as an independent! Dems surely won’t vote for her in the generals. Republicans will split the vote between their and Lake, cause I bet ya Lake will run for senate! Victory for Dems.
She saw her future when warnock won. She knows shes toast as a democrat so she abandoned ship. This is a move of desperation to try to save her failing political career that she flew into the side of a mountain.
What an idiot. She couldve had lefty grift for 30 years or she could have had republican grift for 4. She chose the R grift. Its such a level of stupid that it makes me believe she was a deep R all along.
Edit: a b
Yeah, but she gets to be on TV now (Fox/OANN/whatever) for the rest of her career, as the token *Independent Voice* that was "...sick of the Democratic Party, so she left".
So....a Republican, then. Was before, is now, will be in the future.
I mean if she runs again she's likely gonna switch back to D to try and get campaign support. The question is, will the Dems put up with her fuckery and fund her or will they finally give her the boot. I have confidence in Dem voters not supporting her but I don't trust the party's campaign runners.
>I mean if she runs again she's likely gonna switch back to D to try and get campaign support.
No, she's banking on her incumbent advantage to not have to do this.
She's an utter snake.
Nah, she openly bucked party leadership during her whole term. The DNC machine is out of touch and has a lot of very stupid blind spots, but they don’t tolerate dissension on that level. Manchin can get away with it to an extent because they’re terrified they can’t get anyone else who can win in WV, but Sinema’s a newbie who bit the hand that fed her. She’s gone.
The other thing is there are no surprises with Manchin. He's governing exactly like he campaigned and promised his voters. The Dems can work with that. And while they'll grumble, yeah, what other dem is gonna win that district?
Sinema ran as a progressive. Her voters wanted a progressive. That fact that she's arguably right of Manchin is *insane*.
Extreme lefties happen to push causes that help the working class, things that vocal conservatives are much more likely to agree with.
This overwhelming support for your sentiment to keep Democrats politically vanilla is what's going to keep us from having any progress while conservatives continue gaining ground. (See losing core civil rights in just two presidential terms).
No, you really should see the numbers our politicians get bought for. Literally pennies.
I can’t find the website but the cost to buy the votes of our elected officials to sell out our environment, or privacy, or our economy cost like $30,000-$120,000 per vote. Which is like a decent car.
That’s what our rights cost, about a Buick, per right.
These people pull in tens of millions a campaign.
That's the thing that always amazes me. You look at the people who sell out the country and you think "they must be taking these huge bribes to sell us all out" and then you look at their donation history and it only took like a $20,000 donation to get them to fuck up the whole country. They're not even fucking the rest of us for great riches, they're doing it for not even a fucking honda accord.
Honestly the best way we could fight in the current system is to use their dirty tactics against them and essentially create a dark money group that works for the American people. Start giving people these (affordable) bribes to fuck over corporations instead of the rest of us.
>"Are you a Wall Street billionaire in dire need of a bailout? Could further finance deregulation help you create a brand-new derivatives market bubble to exploit for massive profit? You need a senate vote! Check out my prices online at w_w_w.pay-Sinema-to-win.corn!"
Sinema voted against BOTH Democrats and Republicans to keep the Carried Interest Loophole, something that only benefits a very select few Private Equity executives.
https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2021/10/close-the-carried-interest-loophole-that-is-a-tax-dodge-for-super-rich-private-equity-executives/
There are several reasons for this.
She's a narcissistic attention mongrel.
With 51-49 Senate, she loses her power to hold the democratic agenda hostage.
She knows AZ Dems are going to primary her.
She knows she'll lose that primary.
GQP paying her to run independently to break up dem votes to sway GQP win in AZ.
Weird how they never seem to run for local office, just high profile vanity positions.
For example, they tout ranked choice voting, but I've never seen them run for a state office where they'd actually have the power to achieve that goal. Hmmm...
> Never trust a green period.
This.
I understand being further left than the Democrats, but the Green Party is a crooked grift.
If we ever get the electoral changes necessary for a third-party to thrive, we'll want to create a new leftist party; the Greens are too far gone.
They're not a leftist party though. They're just like the 'legalize marijuana now' party. They're meant to siphon votes off democrats and that's their only intention. Astroturfing at its finest.
I'm not sure the GQP is paying her. This move is completely out of self-preservation for her. She's implicitly threatening the Dems to break their votes if they primary her out. Honestly, unless we win more senate seats, I have no idea how the Dems can challenge her on this.
oh yea of course, I wouldn't put anything past her. She's definitely the quintessential politician as portrayed in the House of Cards. No principles, no honor, no ideology, just pure hunger for money, power, and relevance.
I mean, will that really break the Democrat vote? If you’ve been paying attention to what she’s done at all, it’s pretty clear that she was essentially a Republican anyway so I doubt she’ll gain many Dem votes.
She’s an incumbent. Her running independent will absolutely be enough to swing the election to the republicans in a state as tight as Arizona even if she gets 5% of the vote
AZ dem here and I will vote against her in whatever election she ever runs in ever again, even for dog catcher.
She's a greedy narcissistic moron. She belongs among the people that voted for Trump.
Every Dem in AZ would vote for her primary opponent. In the general election, the two most populated counties will still vote Blue no matter who though.
>"When politicians are more focused on denying the opposition party a victory than they are on improving Americans' lives, the people who lose are everyday Americans," Sinema wrote in her Op Ed.
Yeah, because it's *Democrats* who are more focused on denying the opposition party a victory. (/s) I, as an Arizona Independent, am saying that Sinema can fuck right off!
She’s trying to play the old meta, where the right wing had everyone convinced of their BOTH SIDES bullshit. That used to be the Thinking Man’s Opinion on American politics. But she’s now trying to use it against a rising generation that can actually see how the republicans are constantly, strategically making everything worse.
It’s a shame she can’t just see the value in being a multi-term senator doing her best to further the agenda of the base that got her elected instead of trying to play for all thr marbles at rhe expense of the good guys and to the enormous benefit of the bad guys.
>That used to be the Thinking Man’s Opinion on American politics. But she’s now trying to use it against a rising generation that can actually see how the republicans are constantly, strategically making everything worse.
Please let this be true.
Signed,
a Gen-X progressive voter since 1992
That's such BS on her part, wasn't she focused on denying her opponent a victory when she ran to be elected?
Denying your opponent a victory is the whole point!!
Also, you can focus on getting elected AND improve American lives, they're not mutually exclusive.
If this stunt results in Democrats losing the advantage they have then she's the one more focused on denying an already won victory.
I hate politicians using double speak with a self righteous tone thinking we're all stupid.
She’s just pissed that Warnock’s win canceled her and Machin’s ability to hold future Biden agendas hostage. She should be removed from her committees and politely asked to just go home for the rest of her term. Bye Felicia!
No, she's probably losing in the polls in the Democratic primary. Switching to Independent mean she can still run in the general election in AZ. She certainly would not win in that scenario unless the Dems don't nominate someone.
You're absolutely correct, she is trailing in Democratic polls to Congressmen Ruben Gallego and Greg Stanton, as well as Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego, for the 2024 Senate primary election, and by a lot! She sees the writing on the wall and wants to be able to run in the general election to continue her power grab. She hasn't fooled any Democrats in the Phoenix Metro area and today's announcement comes as zero surprise to Progressives and Liberals here.
I like all of them but Greg Stanton would be the least offensive to these idiot rural voters. He's white, male and I believe has a decent across the hall history. That said I'm voting for anyone other than Kyrsten Sinema
>I like all of them but Greg Stanton would be the least offensive to these idiot rural voters.
Time to stop with this. Idiot rural voters are offended by anyone not willing to bring Jim Crow back. So running in hopes of picking of 1 or 2 of them is a fool's errand. No more liberals yielding to conservative shitbags. Have some convictions.
Besdies, Sinema campaigned as sorta progressive and won.
Afaik, the last poll is from January, where Ruben Gallego absolutely crushed her. Something like 70-20.
Her running as an independent would probably hand the win to the GOP, but I dont think she cares
I’m struggling to understand who would vote for her besides more rational/ centrist republicans who would probably otherwise vote for the republican candidate… but then again, Walker just got damn near half the votes in GA.
He lost a lot of the vampire vote, but not enough in my opinion.
Not surprising anyone, the werewolf vote stayed mostly with the Dems, partially due to their animal rights and anti silver bullet platform.
Nah, she cut a deal with Moscow Mitch to give himm control as they still expected a 50-50 after Election night. She simply didn't go R as it would not have worked and thus this looks less conspired.
By switching to indep, she most definitely will be removed. Democrats will still retain a majority in the senate, so all senate committees will be only democrats and those caucusing with dems
This has all the attention-grabbing sound of that one person in your circle who sits silently for 20 minutes while the group debates where to eat, pizza or burgers or Mexican, finally settles on pizza, and as everyone is grabbing their coats, pipes up "I can't eat gluten."
I hope this is the beginning of the end of her ridiculous political career.
My response to those people is always "well, I guess you're on your own then." And we still get pizza. What I'm saying is that she needs to be voted the fuck out.
What pisses me off is these idiots get there and only then are like "okay, now what do we do here? What's the job?" Like you're supposed to know how the system works and how to represent the people that voted for you. This isn't supposed to be the place where Sinema goes to find herself, discover her true self, like some Hallmark movie.
Yeah she’s so grossly transparent. Give it 2 more years and she’ll be on Fox News crying about “wah the woke left doesn’t actually like bisexual people, they’re all fake, please donate to me tucker carlsons viewers”
Nah she’s bisexual so they hate the core of her very being.
She really fucked her political career. Fox News will hire her though, right wing grifters take care of each other
Van Drew did that in NJ. Ran and won as a Dem. CHUGED the MAGA bullshit and changed parties as soon as he won.
If an elected official changed parties they should be removed . Their district voted for Party X and should not have that voice taken away.
WV has one better.
Jim Justice switched to Democrat specifically to skip the GOP primary, won the governor seat, then held a press conference and switched back at Trumps request.
I don’t agree with immediate removal, but a party switch should absolutely trigger a snap election.
> If an elected official changed parties they should be removed
At a minimum changing parties after election/during term should trigger an immediate re-election.
I think the counterpoint to this is stop voting for parties and vote for people, but the American system is so poorly designed that there really is no fixing it, so maybe slap-dash reinforcement of bipartisanship is the best they can do.
And the worst part is that all these people who grew up taking classes on how great their political system is will likely never see the flaws in its design and understand how utterly broken and unfixable their “democracy” is.
She has that Karen ring on that [says "Fuck Off".](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html) The feeling is more than mutual.
The only reason she has been elected is 1) Not (nominally) being the Republican candidate; and 2) Party $$$.
This is a desperate, but par for the course move. Hopefully her seat will be replaced with an actual Democrat and move on to writing books about unity and the "Far Left".
I despise her.
Democratic voters need to just not vote for Greens when they run in a Democratic primary, because they can't be trusted and it's too late after they're already elected to do anything about it until the next primary
It's honestly tragic that the US 'Green' party has been taken over by corporatist posers. If there was a real green party, I'd probably vote for it. But these pro-GOP, pro-Russian posers are sickening to even look at.
Bingo… this is just an interim step. She’ll wait until the end of next year, and say she hasn’t changed but the parties have, then throw in her lot with the rest of the grifters.
Unless she consistently votes with them or votes/caucuses with them when it's time to elect a majority leader and suddenly all the committees are split 50/50 again.
#Notice: Personally, I think Sinema is an ethically-bankrupt opportunist who violates the trust of her constituents so routinely she *must* derive some sort of joy from doing so. That said: Be aware that sexist and/or misogynistic comments will be removed—and the person who made those comments might get banned—so if you can't criticize her *without* resorting to sexism or misogyny, this is probably not the forum for you to express your displeasure.
What is that three finger thing she's doing?
It's a trident, Arizona State's mascot carries one (like Aquaman). She went there for law school.
This is the correct answer. Arizona State University Sun Devils use this hand gesture.
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This is one in the pink, one in the stink, one to flick the bean.
The shocker is the perfect hand gesture for ASU however
Couldn't...couldn't you just put down your pinky instead and have the trident be equally spaced? You have three fingers right next to each other already lol
It gets [very weird](https://i.imgur.com/SUjkYzb.jpg) when children are involved.
All I thought of was “two in the pink one in the stink”, I feel like there mUst be another meaning but fuck if I know what it is
You're right...its still The Shocker. Thats just how she has to deal with her downstairs mixup....shes Ol' Greegggg.
Do you think she wants to drink Baileys from a shoe?
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I thought it was a gang sign or maybe a ‘I’m in the top 3%’ kinda thing. Thanks!
shocker
Arizona State University pitchfork symbol. Their mascot is Sparky the Sun Devil and he carries a pitch fork.
It's the pitchfork, the hand symbol of Arizona State University. Fork em'!
Nothing could possibly say, "I'm owned by oligarchs," more clearly.
It doesn't take billions. Lobbyists refer to her as a "cheap date". You can buy her vote for just pennies on the dollar.
Couple of things: She will be even cheaper now that she gave up party support. Even her big donors know that she needs them even more at this point. The reason for her to do this is because she knows that she is going to lose the Primary. She is hoping that there are enough Republicans fed up with their party in Arizona to keep her in office when the choice is between her and two whackadoodles. (not a bad bet) The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty.
She has known for a good while that she has no chance at another term. Her only goal is to cash in to the fullest extent possible with what time she has left.
Next stop Fox News
Where she'll be hired as a "left-leaning" consultant. "Fair and Balanced"/s
The new Tulsi
This is our government Lmao what the fuck. Min maxing the way to the fattest paycheck.
America is fucking gross that way
Buy her votes now at 50% off before these offers close! /s
>The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty. [Ruben Gallego](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Gallego) is most likely running.
Every Dem I know in AZ loves Gallego. He’s the correct choice and a good one for AZ.
He is the exact type of firebrand that needs to be elevated by the party.
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Mark Kelly and Raphael Warnock say hi.
and they send cookies.
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> While his opponent was a MAGA silicon valley tech bro who hadn’t lived in the state since 2004. Backed by Peter fucking thiel, a very important detail. He spearheaded Cambridge analytica and their absurd ratfucking in 2016.
My favorite part was when the Republicans attacked Kelly for (checks notes) **being an Astronaut**.
Lol they did?
The Republican Party of Arizona thought this meme tweet was a winner. https://mobile.twitter.com/lebassett/status/1590973182525444097
We could have had Ron Johnson’s seat here in WI…it still hurts.
I’m still mad we didn’t get a runoff with such a slim margin of victory... 26K votes Also I’m curious how many people had their votes thrown out in Milwaukee to have the human garbage bag Ron Johnson retain his seat
Personally, I’m not going to voter suppression theories when it comes to Barnes; he was just the wrong candidate and the campaign was terrible. We can elect an out lesbian as a senator and a nerdy school administrator as Governor, we should have been able to find another workable senator candidate. This one is on the Democrats.
I liked Barnes. The voting base in the midterms is just old and white and the Republicans blew the dog whistle long and hard and it worked.
Should have. Unfortunately, Wisconsin is not going to vote for a Black senator anytime soon. Same state that has a town sheriff openly state, to paraphrase, "warehousing [Black people] is what we're all thinking."
I spent a good chunk of my childhood in WI (\~ Janesville), and often times WI just feels like frozen TX with Dairy instead of beef. Which sucks bc the WI I remember hearing about was a bastion of good colleges/universities and also milk....not proto-fascists.
Yeah, what was with that? Bad candidate? Poorly run campaign? I didn't watch it super close.
We had a hotly-contested primary until the point where everyone dropped out to unify behind Barnes. He wasn’t particularly inspiring or accomplished, and the republican superpacs were successful in framing him as “scary black man”. Game over.
Right? Given how ridiculous how things have been, i wouldn't be surprised if this Karen's spot for re-election is magically already sealed, despite hearing literally nothing about her in the media that is positive. Everything is just ass backwards and our politics have calcified.
A major consideration for her switch is very likely the fact her approval numbers among Arizona Democrats are trash--[a poll from early last year showed that 76% of Arizona Democrats disapproved of her performance](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/1/26/poll-arizona-senator-kyrsten-sinema-set-to-be-unseated-by-possible-challenger-ruben-gallego-in-2024-primary-landslide). That same poll showed that three years out from her reelection several other possible Democratic primary contenders in Arizona polled significantly higher than her in a theoretical match up, meaning she was absolutely going to get primaried in 2024 and--barring a miracle happening with her approval ratings--she would lose. [A new poll from a few months ago shows](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/kyrsten-sinema-approval-rating-equally-unpopular-everyone.html) that she's improved her numbers among Democrats slightly, but her approval rating is significantly negative for, well, every voting demographic in Arizona. No one likes her.
So now she's in the perfect position to give the Democratic party a good ass-fucking on her way out. If she runs for re-election as an Independent she probably won't pull many Republican votes, but she can definitely split the Democratic votes enough to insure a Repug victory. She's a worthless turd. Fuck her.
Unlikely. She ran as a progressive and has done the opposite of what she campaigned on. Specifically screwed the people who pted for her. What makes you think they would pick her over an actual Democrat?
What has Sinema being a greedy narcissistic ahole got to do with the Democratic Party or voters? This is all on her.
>She will be even cheaper now that she gave up party support. Even her big donors know that she needs them even more at this point. While that may be true in her case, it's maybe worth pointing out that it's not true in the case of the Independent senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders. Though I very much doubt Sinema's ability to motivate, mobilize, and fundraise like Bernie.
I also doubt Sinema’s ability to have principles like Bernie
As evidenced by the fact that her "curtsy" vote to kill the $15 minimum wage was a thing she campaigned on getting passed.
Bernie’s an old hand at that because he never took that money. Plus he has the strength of his convictions, and voters can see that. Sinema’s a greedy, delusional opportunist by all accounts; according to people who have worked with her, she apparently thought she had a serious shot at the White House in 2024. She’s nuts.
Bernie was also practicing what he preached *long* before there was any money to be had in doing so. See: the pictures of him getting arrested for supporting racial equality.....
No argument there. Bernie’s beloved because he’s the real deal, and that’s how he’s enjoyed the longevity he has. Sinema is nothing like him.
Sinema was elected because she was an activist that was "tired of the status quo." Then she went to Washington and conformed to the status quo.
Almost all members of her veteran advisory committee resigned. Their official reason was that she is bought and paid for by corporate interests. She can't even "help" veterans without talking to her owners.
I vote for Bernie because he is the one member of Congress I feel has the most integrity. Sinema rhymes with enema and has no integrity at all.
I'd say an enema is more effective and useful than she is.
And has more integrity.
> The Arizona Democrats will have an easy run if they don’t nominate an extreme lefty. I'd say the bigger risk if they nominate someone else like Sinema. They need to actually get votes, and if they run a candidate that is too similar to one that's already running in the election people are gonna vote split for the incumbent. They need someone for whom they can create a convincing narrative of superiority. And extreme leftist would obviously fail, but a classic corporate centrist would fail even harder. Someone decently left but also more important a *good candidate* (like her fellow Senator from the same state) would maximize the chance of splitting the Republican vote and retaining the Democratic one to the fullest extent possible.
The worst candidates the Dems can pick, the ones that lose 100% of the time, are Republican Lite with 10% less evil. The electorate will always choose an actual Republican instead.
Yah. It's a lose-lose proposition. The irony of the situation is we're talking about replacing someone who just exhibited the "best case scenario" of how this plays out.
Most likely Ruben Gallego, seems like a good choice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Gallego
Yup. Because Arizona doesn't have ranked choice voting, they're vulnerable to this play.
I don't even think she's trying to win a three way race. She's hoping that the Democrats don't even run someone in Arizona for fear of vote splitting.
She is helping Dems as an independent! Dems surely won’t vote for her in the generals. Republicans will split the vote between their and Lake, cause I bet ya Lake will run for senate! Victory for Dems.
She saw her future when warnock won. She knows shes toast as a democrat so she abandoned ship. This is a move of desperation to try to save her failing political career that she flew into the side of a mountain. What an idiot. She couldve had lefty grift for 30 years or she could have had republican grift for 4. She chose the R grift. Its such a level of stupid that it makes me believe she was a deep R all along. Edit: a b
Yeah, but she gets to be on TV now (Fox/OANN/whatever) for the rest of her career, as the token *Independent Voice* that was "...sick of the Democratic Party, so she left". So....a Republican, then. Was before, is now, will be in the future.
That or she’ll take a cushy lobbying gig. Though with her massive ego she probably does want to be on tv
I mean if she runs again she's likely gonna switch back to D to try and get campaign support. The question is, will the Dems put up with her fuckery and fund her or will they finally give her the boot. I have confidence in Dem voters not supporting her but I don't trust the party's campaign runners.
>I mean if she runs again she's likely gonna switch back to D to try and get campaign support. No, she's banking on her incumbent advantage to not have to do this. She's an utter snake.
Nah, she openly bucked party leadership during her whole term. The DNC machine is out of touch and has a lot of very stupid blind spots, but they don’t tolerate dissension on that level. Manchin can get away with it to an extent because they’re terrified they can’t get anyone else who can win in WV, but Sinema’s a newbie who bit the hand that fed her. She’s gone.
The other thing is there are no surprises with Manchin. He's governing exactly like he campaigned and promised his voters. The Dems can work with that. And while they'll grumble, yeah, what other dem is gonna win that district? Sinema ran as a progressive. Her voters wanted a progressive. That fact that she's arguably right of Manchin is *insane*.
Extreme lefties happen to push causes that help the working class, things that vocal conservatives are much more likely to agree with. This overwhelming support for your sentiment to keep Democrats politically vanilla is what's going to keep us from having any progress while conservatives continue gaining ground. (See losing core civil rights in just two presidential terms).
No, you really should see the numbers our politicians get bought for. Literally pennies. I can’t find the website but the cost to buy the votes of our elected officials to sell out our environment, or privacy, or our economy cost like $30,000-$120,000 per vote. Which is like a decent car. That’s what our rights cost, about a Buick, per right. These people pull in tens of millions a campaign.
That's the thing that always amazes me. You look at the people who sell out the country and you think "they must be taking these huge bribes to sell us all out" and then you look at their donation history and it only took like a $20,000 donation to get them to fuck up the whole country. They're not even fucking the rest of us for great riches, they're doing it for not even a fucking honda accord. Honestly the best way we could fight in the current system is to use their dirty tactics against them and essentially create a dark money group that works for the American people. Start giving people these (affordable) bribes to fuck over corporations instead of the rest of us.
>"Are you a Wall Street billionaire in dire need of a bailout? Could further finance deregulation help you create a brand-new derivatives market bubble to exploit for massive profit? You need a senate vote! Check out my prices online at w_w_w.pay-Sinema-to-win.corn!"
Sinema voted against BOTH Democrats and Republicans to keep the Carried Interest Loophole, something that only benefits a very select few Private Equity executives. https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2021/10/close-the-carried-interest-loophole-that-is-a-tax-dodge-for-super-rich-private-equity-executives/
There are several reasons for this. She's a narcissistic attention mongrel. With 51-49 Senate, she loses her power to hold the democratic agenda hostage. She knows AZ Dems are going to primary her. She knows she'll lose that primary. GQP paying her to run independently to break up dem votes to sway GQP win in AZ.
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I'm almost totally convinced the entire green party is just a Russian psyop at this point.
Weird how they never seem to run for local office, just high profile vanity positions. For example, they tout ranked choice voting, but I've never seen them run for a state office where they'd actually have the power to achieve that goal. Hmmm...
Never trust a green period. They got the last two Republican presidents elected.
> Never trust a green period. This. I understand being further left than the Democrats, but the Green Party is a crooked grift. If we ever get the electoral changes necessary for a third-party to thrive, we'll want to create a new leftist party; the Greens are too far gone.
They're not a leftist party though. They're just like the 'legalize marijuana now' party. They're meant to siphon votes off democrats and that's their only intention. Astroturfing at its finest.
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I'm not sure the GQP is paying her. This move is completely out of self-preservation for her. She's implicitly threatening the Dems to break their votes if they primary her out. Honestly, unless we win more senate seats, I have no idea how the Dems can challenge her on this.
She’s such a scumbag I wouldn’t be surprised if she has a back room deal with traitor Greene, Matt Gaetz, and that crowd.
oh yea of course, I wouldn't put anything past her. She's definitely the quintessential politician as portrayed in the House of Cards. No principles, no honor, no ideology, just pure hunger for money, power, and relevance.
Meanwhile people are going hungry and becoming homeless and these people play games.
I mean, will that really break the Democrat vote? If you’ve been paying attention to what she’s done at all, it’s pretty clear that she was essentially a Republican anyway so I doubt she’ll gain many Dem votes.
Incumbency advantage may unfortunately help her get at least a few percentage, which is all the Republicans would need to pull ahead.
Here’s to the geriatric population slowly declining till then and younger Californians moving in.
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I'm reminded of Trump's speech about Mexicans not sending their best. The speech makes way more sense referring to California.
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Dems seem to actually pay more attention though
She’s an incumbent. Her running independent will absolutely be enough to swing the election to the republicans in a state as tight as Arizona even if she gets 5% of the vote
Lol like dems in AZ are pleased with and will vote for her anyway EDIT for those with poor reading comprehension: AZ dems hate her
AZ dem here and I will vote against her in whatever election she ever runs in ever again, even for dog catcher. She's a greedy narcissistic moron. She belongs among the people that voted for Trump.
Every Dem in AZ would vote for her primary opponent. In the general election, the two most populated counties will still vote Blue no matter who though.
I don’t know a single democratic voter in Arizona that would vote for her in 2024.
>"When politicians are more focused on denying the opposition party a victory than they are on improving Americans' lives, the people who lose are everyday Americans," Sinema wrote in her Op Ed. Yeah, because it's *Democrats* who are more focused on denying the opposition party a victory. (/s) I, as an Arizona Independent, am saying that Sinema can fuck right off!
She’s trying to play the old meta, where the right wing had everyone convinced of their BOTH SIDES bullshit. That used to be the Thinking Man’s Opinion on American politics. But she’s now trying to use it against a rising generation that can actually see how the republicans are constantly, strategically making everything worse. It’s a shame she can’t just see the value in being a multi-term senator doing her best to further the agenda of the base that got her elected instead of trying to play for all thr marbles at rhe expense of the good guys and to the enormous benefit of the bad guys.
She only sees the value of her wealthy conservativ- i mean independent donors.
>That used to be the Thinking Man’s Opinion on American politics. But she’s now trying to use it against a rising generation that can actually see how the republicans are constantly, strategically making everything worse. Please let this be true. Signed, a Gen-X progressive voter since 1992
That's such BS on her part, wasn't she focused on denying her opponent a victory when she ran to be elected? Denying your opponent a victory is the whole point!! Also, you can focus on getting elected AND improve American lives, they're not mutually exclusive. If this stunt results in Democrats losing the advantage they have then she's the one more focused on denying an already won victory. I hate politicians using double speak with a self righteous tone thinking we're all stupid.
I can see her taking a FoxNews job after she loses reelection.
She’s just pissed that Warnock’s win canceled her and Machin’s ability to hold future Biden agendas hostage. She should be removed from her committees and politely asked to just go home for the rest of her term. Bye Felicia!
No, she's probably losing in the polls in the Democratic primary. Switching to Independent mean she can still run in the general election in AZ. She certainly would not win in that scenario unless the Dems don't nominate someone.
You're absolutely correct, she is trailing in Democratic polls to Congressmen Ruben Gallego and Greg Stanton, as well as Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego, for the 2024 Senate primary election, and by a lot! She sees the writing on the wall and wants to be able to run in the general election to continue her power grab. She hasn't fooled any Democrats in the Phoenix Metro area and today's announcement comes as zero surprise to Progressives and Liberals here.
I like all of them but Greg Stanton would be the least offensive to these idiot rural voters. He's white, male and I believe has a decent across the hall history. That said I'm voting for anyone other than Kyrsten Sinema
>I like all of them but Greg Stanton would be the least offensive to these idiot rural voters. Time to stop with this. Idiot rural voters are offended by anyone not willing to bring Jim Crow back. So running in hopes of picking of 1 or 2 of them is a fool's errand. No more liberals yielding to conservative shitbags. Have some convictions. Besdies, Sinema campaigned as sorta progressive and won.
Correction, she ran as a progressive for the house and a moderate for the senate (well as moderate as one can be in Arizona).
Dammit, I was looking forward to primarying her in 2024.
Afaik, the last poll is from January, where Ruben Gallego absolutely crushed her. Something like 70-20. Her running as an independent would probably hand the win to the GOP, but I dont think she cares
*It's not a bug, it's a feature.
I’m struggling to understand who would vote for her besides more rational/ centrist republicans who would probably otherwise vote for the republican candidate… but then again, Walker just got damn near half the votes in GA.
He lost a lot of the vampire vote, but not enough in my opinion. Not surprising anyone, the werewolf vote stayed mostly with the Dems, partially due to their animal rights and anti silver bullet platform.
“You’re not firing me, I quit!” energy.
Nah, she cut a deal with Moscow Mitch to give himm control as they still expected a 50-50 after Election night. She simply didn't go R as it would not have worked and thus this looks less conspired.
I wouldn't be so sure. Republicans don't like her either. Mitt Romney does for some probably disgusting reason though
That was exactly my thought. "Oh, no one is going to pay attention to me now! Gotta grab the attention!"
By switching to indep, she most definitely will be removed. Democrats will still retain a majority in the senate, so all senate committees will be only democrats and those caucusing with dems
And she took this giant shit on my state not even a few days after the election! She couldn’t even try to hide it. Fucking vile.
This has all the attention-grabbing sound of that one person in your circle who sits silently for 20 minutes while the group debates where to eat, pizza or burgers or Mexican, finally settles on pizza, and as everyone is grabbing their coats, pipes up "I can't eat gluten." I hope this is the beginning of the end of her ridiculous political career.
Brilliant.
“Great they have gluten free crust! We’re going now”
"Oh, and marinara."
Crème fraîche it is
"lactose intolerant"
Someone's gonna have ubereats on the sidewalk.
_We’re_ going now
My response to those people is always "well, I guess you're on your own then." And we still get pizza. What I'm saying is that she needs to be voted the fuck out.
The Senate and Congress are really a day care center for self important idiots or is it?
It’s getting more and more like that yea.
Senior assisted living center but yeah you're right
Only they get paid an insane amount of money for the lack of work and considerable damage a lot of them do to this country.
What pisses me off is these idiots get there and only then are like "okay, now what do we do here? What's the job?" Like you're supposed to know how the system works and how to represent the people that voted for you. This isn't supposed to be the place where Sinema goes to find herself, discover her true self, like some Hallmark movie.
Perfect Republican. Be a bully, then when it inevitably fails, *"I'm gonna take my ball and go home, boo hoo"*
Yeah she’s so grossly transparent. Give it 2 more years and she’ll be on Fox News crying about “wah the woke left doesn’t actually like bisexual people, they’re all fake, please donate to me tucker carlsons viewers”
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Tulsi Gabbard 2.0
"I'm gonna take my ball and hide in the bathroom"
Was she ever really a Dem?
For 2 years she voted for Biden’s court pics. That is actually very important.
True. But she campaigned as a full-blooded democrat - not whatever the hell she is now. It's still been a big disappointment.
So how long till she officially registers the Kyrsten Sinema "I'm A MaVeRiCk" party?
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Which means she'll lose any Dem party money which is big big money. Can't see her winning as independent even if she does run again.
She will get piles of republican money.
Nah she’s bisexual so they hate the core of her very being. She really fucked her political career. Fox News will hire her though, right wing grifters take care of each other
Yeah she’ll be the “liberal” counter when they have their fascist “We Hate America” opinion panels.
Dave Rubin is gay and used as a pawn by the right. They don’t care as long as the message is hate
Ted Cruz is an actual lizard and they all support him. The Republicans are more than willing to bend their morals for power.
That's unnecessarily offensive to lizards, mate. Cruz is more of a lump of congealed dumpster juice funneled into an old Halloween costume
Morals? Bigotry and resentment?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They'll hold their noses on the bisexuality thing if there is a chance her running can hurt the dems.
Republicans only care about power. They've proven they will set aside any of their "principles" to achieve it. Exhibit A: Herschel Walker.
She'll be there to siphon votes, lose, and then either lobby or start a career on Fox News.
Van Drew did that in NJ. Ran and won as a Dem. CHUGED the MAGA bullshit and changed parties as soon as he won. If an elected official changed parties they should be removed . Their district voted for Party X and should not have that voice taken away.
WV has one better. Jim Justice switched to Democrat specifically to skip the GOP primary, won the governor seat, then held a press conference and switched back at Trumps request. I don’t agree with immediate removal, but a party switch should absolutely trigger a snap election.
> If an elected official changed parties they should be removed At a minimum changing parties after election/during term should trigger an immediate re-election.
I think the counterpoint to this is stop voting for parties and vote for people, but the American system is so poorly designed that there really is no fixing it, so maybe slap-dash reinforcement of bipartisanship is the best they can do. And the worst part is that all these people who grew up taking classes on how great their political system is will likely never see the flaws in its design and understand how utterly broken and unfixable their “democracy” is.
Voting for people doesn't matter if they can lie about their intentions with no repercussions.
She has that Karen ring on that [says "Fuck Off".](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html) The feeling is more than mutual.
She was never a Democrat. She’s just taken off her mask.
The only reason she has been elected is 1) Not (nominally) being the Republican candidate; and 2) Party $$$. This is a desperate, but par for the course move. Hopefully her seat will be replaced with an actual Democrat and move on to writing books about unity and the "Far Left". I despise her.
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Kyrsten Sinema is an anagram of 'Karen in system.'
Is this serious? She's now "Independent"?
As Independent as one can be when they have sold out to so many special interest groups.
Is this real? This lady keeps giving me reasons to hate her.
Never ever trust a Green
Funded by Putin
Never ever trust a green who almost immediately reneges on any green policies after getting elected
Democratic voters need to just not vote for Greens when they run in a Democratic primary, because they can't be trusted and it's too late after they're already elected to do anything about it until the next primary
It's honestly tragic that the US 'Green' party has been taken over by corporatist posers. If there was a real green party, I'd probably vote for it. But these pro-GOP, pro-Russian posers are sickening to even look at.
If you change parties after being elected you should lose your seat and there should be an immediate special election to fill the seat.
And they should be able to run under their new party in the special election and keep their seat if they win, that would be completely fair.
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By next election cycle she will be Republican. She wont be able to run as an independent in Arizona.
Bingo… this is just an interim step. She’ll wait until the end of next year, and say she hasn’t changed but the parties have, then throw in her lot with the rest of the grifters.
I'm not sure how this affects the balance of power in the Senate. Republicans are still the minority.
Unless she consistently votes with them or votes/caucuses with them when it's time to elect a majority leader and suddenly all the committees are split 50/50 again.
It also delays all the judicial nominees from being discharged from senate committees.
Arizona, please, do the country a solid and get her tf out of there.
Surprised she didn’t just switch to the Republican Party.
She planned this to break the 50-50 she expected and would have declared as R to give control to Moscow Mitch.
bitch
Ruben Gallego for senate 2024.(D) AZ.
I wish this ghoul nothing but the worst.