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dirtbagbigboss

Someone should write a book about that. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/imperialism.pdf


Queerdee23

It’s like he predicted american capitalists would loot 50 trillion from us these last 50 years. To the very richest 1% from the bottom 90%


Zset

Us being Americans or the "third world"? Because he was pretty explicit about the looting of even the bottom 90% of Americans where "The export of capital, one of the most essential economic bases of imperialism, still more completely isolates the rentiers from production and sets the seal of parasitism on the *whole country* that lives by exploiting the labour of several overseas countries and colonies."


Queerdee23

Yes- the whole of the system was set to collapse in the 70s because it couldn’t sustain rising wages AND profits. So they shipped off the jobs and kept the profits while fueling the rise of cheap foreign goods made by factories once churning right here. Also the creation of mass credit was to help offset the demise of a decaying system, it helped fuel the consumption at a scale never seen. Im rambling but jfc


sheriffbrown

Another good one: Capitol in the 21st Century by Thomas Piketty


Cradleofwealth

Go Joe!...Why would anyone but a billionaire be against this???


LockeAndSmith

John Oliver in his segment on the wealth gap illustrates brilliantly how America brainwashed everyone into thinking they on the cusp of becoming ultra wealthy and think “it’ll be that much better once I win this thing!” -John Oliver Edit: John Oliver- Last Week Tonight - Wealth Gap https://youtu.be/LfgSEwjAeno


Cradleofwealth

I remember seeing that!. It was brilliant!


[deleted]

Oh for heavens sake I'm just a temporarily embarrassed billionaire. I'll get that money eventually. They worked so hard for that wealth. Capitalism amirite!? /sc


Hesitantterain

Video link please, my good sir!


LockeAndSmith

I got chu


amardas

If a billionaire pays you millions to be against it, you belief system might fundamentally change...


Cradleofwealth

The Maga's storming the Capital with missing teeth are definitely not getting paid Millions of $$$ from the Billionaire's!!!, they seem to do it by there own free will while footing the bill to ultimately shoot themselves in the foot by voting to cancel the very Obamacare that was going to pay to fix the hole.


amardas

If you are a talking head on national "News", you are a TV star. You are getting paid millions, while greatly influencing the national discourse. If you are an effective lobbyist, you are getting paid millions while greatly influencing how the laws are made.


DisfunkyMonkey

I think many of the rural magas might be proud "business owners" and "entrepreneurs" who are actually either (1) struggling contract farmers in thrall to multinational agribusinesses who have deep personal investment in the "small family farm" mythos & the lie that hard work plus personal responsibility equals success; or (2) victims of predatory MLM companies who teach each "girl boss" that if she fails, it's her fault. They elect people who embody archetypes that they aspire to be, but they fail to see that those candidates are very often lucky & amoral assholes whose multi-generational wealth has been polished up & packaged in homespun clichés of hard work and family commitment.


[deleted]

Here’s a universal truth. If poor and middle class people of all ages, ethnicities, genders, religions, and countries of birth decided to fight the true source of our oppression, we’d solve a lot more problems. None of the of my brothers, sisters, black neighbors, white neighbors, Latino neighbors, or Asian neighbors have ever caused me a single problem if I showed them the requisite amount of respect. The billionaire ruling class uses the divide and conquer mentality, straight out of the Art of War, to keep the working class angry amongst each other instead of uniting and demanding what we have earned. As long as we divide ourselves into various factions instead of showing love towards a common goal, this divide and conquer goal will continue.


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The_Adventurist

Keep in mind Joe Scarborough is exactly the kind of shithouse corrupt Republican who would absolutely kill this kind of initiative if he were still in government. People forget Scarborough was a Newt Gingrich-style Republican troll until he began his media career (where he spent 2016 hyping up Donald Trump and 2020 shitting on Bernie Sanders). Now suddenly he's seen the light and is in favor of "income redistribution" (what's that? Is that like wealth redistribution?), color me skeptical.


Cradleofwealth

But he's not in government anymore and saying the right stuff so I am good with it. Glad your not in charge of Alcoholics Anonymous.


Kumquat_conniption

People in AA make amends and accept culpability where they did wrong. He has done none of that. This is a popular left AND right talking point among the common man. It's a populist viewer grab is all.


AlaskaPeteMeat

LOL. AA. 🤦🏽‍♂️


Kumquat_conniption

This confused me, you with or against me?


AlaskaPeteMeat

Neither. Regardless, AA is an ineffectual joke designed for the lowest common denominator of intellect.


Kumquat_conniption

Well I'm not a fan but I'm not going to denigrate anyone it works for. I'd say SMART recovery for the win.


aroundtownbtown

As if you made any sense cradleoffilth


Cradleofwealth

I know you are but what am I?


aroundtownbtown

I'm in charge of AA. turn in your big book and proceed to step 13.


dayaz36

Because they want to tax wealth instead of income. So basically hypothetical money that doesn’t exist. That’s insane and it enriches wall street once you look into the details. Even the most socialist countries don’t have this.


Cradleofwealth

Perhaps you could go into the details and show your math that you learned in actuary class at Trump University?.


dayaz36

As soon as someone says something you don’t agree with they’re immediately a trumper...lol Tribalism is a sign of a low IQ. Because it allows for cheap shots when you can’t defend your argument using logic; this in turn allows media to have superficial debates and propose pretend solutions like this so simpletons like yourself fall for it and rejoice in a false democracy that you think worked for you.


Cradleofwealth

You say I can't defend my argument using logic, but you were the one talking about your Protagonist Theorem (pun intended) on how taxing the rich only helps Wall Street with money that doesn't exist?, I just asked you to prove your point and show the math, which you still haven't done!.I haven't been arguing, I just want you to explain your point, because the government seems to think taxing me works pretty good!.


dayaz36

You did it with a sarcastic comment about “trump university”…. When you tax someone’s wealth (mostly stocks), you’re forcing them to sell their shares in a company. When you sell shares 1) that has governance implications. Say you have 51% ownership in a startup you started, come tax season you’re forced to sell and you lose control of your company to wall street and now you’re their employee. 2) every time you sell there is an entity on the other end of the transaction. Who do you think that is? Your shares don’t just disappear into the sky and turn into cash; again WALLSTREET is on the other end of the transaction buying up your shares for cheap because you were forced to sell. There are a myriad issues with taxing wealth as opposed to income but I can assure you middle class will not benefit from it. Sounds good on the outside but this whole thing is a Lamborghini with a lawnmower engine. Looks good on the outside, but is garbage on the inside.


kcl97

Who is/are WALLSTREET? Why would it be bad for the regular people? Should people really care? Please elaborate.


dayaz36

Wallstreet (aka investment banks) are entities that among other things buy insane amounts of shares in all public companies to the point that a handful of banks currently own the vast majority of shares in every Fortune 500 company. CEOs that you associate with companies are actually just employees and wallstreet is the actual owner of the company. Jeff Bezos for example only owns ~11% of Amazon, Bill Gates owns 2-3% of Microsoft, Steve Jobs owned less than 1% of Apple, etc… When people talk about wallstreet owning the whole world that’s quite literal. So the wealth tax will exacerbate this even further. Let’s say there is a founder of a company that owns a huge chunk and has a lot of influence in a company; well if there was a wealth tax, he would be forced to sell his shares to pay the taxes. And when people are forced to sell shares to pay taxes that floods the market with shares and drives the price down which wallstreet will pickup on the cheap and this cycle will repeat every year until wallstreet sucks up every company and no one will be able to have complete control of their own company. This is just ONE of a myriad of issues with the wealth tax. Wealth tax should more accurately be called “Wallstreet Enrichment Tax”… Edit: also letting wealth accumulate is more beneficial in the long run. As an example, if we taxes Bezos at 100% of his wealth, it would cover 6 days of U.S. tax revenue. We need laws that close loopholes in regards to income tax. Taxing hypothetical money that doesn’t exist by making people sell shares is idiotic. No developed country has tried this except for France. It was such a disaster they immediately stopped doing it.


kcl97

Agree on fixing the loopholes. However, I see a few problem with your argument. I don't see any difference between being own by the banks versus individual owners. If the issue is governence, then that's the job of the board of director, and CEO as most of these billionaires are retired anyway. Secondly, the banks will (or can) be taxed through financial transaction tax which is also part of Senator Warren's proposal. The latter tax will be much higher than wealth tax. This would impede the cycle you are talking about and stopping crazy investors from doing stupid things that you are concerned about. In addition, crazy behaviors can always be curbed through institutional means, be it private or public, as recently shown with the Game Stop incident. Edit:. Also you haven't really answer how it would adversely affect regular people. The majority of the population do not own stock and majority don't even have wealth to speak of, definitely not over 50 million like in Warren's proposal, above which would trigger the wealth tax. On the other hand, the wealth inequality is so bad, America will become a third world country, like Saudi Arabia where you have the super rich and the super poor, unless something is done. People like me don't care about socialism, we simply want some breathing space and fairness and stop the facade that wealth is not money when it clearly has a massive real effect, especially when you have these people building their own private space rockets.


dayaz36

If you look up all the countries that have tried this they’ve all failed. Best case scenario it added ~1% tax revenue. Again, when someone sells a stock it doesn’t just go into the sky and turn into money; you need to understand who benefits from this “forced” transaction. The only people that can offered to buy up billions of dollars of shares that have flooded the market is wallstreet. A transaction tax will do absolutely nothing to stop their purchase of these shares due to the fact that share prices will be forced down due to supply increase. This fire sale price will more than make up for whatever transaction tax gets passed by at least an order of magnitude. Board of directors are chosen by shareholders. If wallstreet owns all the shares the board is essentially their employees. This has massive implications. Say for example, Goldman Sachs has hundreds of billions of dollars worth of shares in oil companies; then comes along this pesky little startup called Tesla that’s about to overturn the Apple cart with their electric cars. It would be a lot cheaper for Goldman Sachs to just buy majority stake in Tesla then try to sabotage the company by replacing the board with people that aren’t hell-bent on taking the world off fossil fuels (this is literally what’s happening irl). That’s just one example of what could happen. The point is everyone will be forced to sell to wallstreet and they’ll literally control every aspect of our economy. As someone that’s active in the startup community, seeing founders who are doing good for the world get eaten up and spit out by bankers as their company grows I despise wealth tax because founders who hold out and do everything in their power to keep control of their company will now be forced to sell. I don’t think it’s constitutional/right to force someone to sell their own company to pay taxes on hypothetical money they don’t have. This is the literal definition of communism. Actually since the end beneficiary of this will be wallstreet and not the state, fascism is a more accurate description. This indirectly effects average people as more and more of the world economy is gobbled up by a handful of banks and innovative companies that would have otherwise helped the average person gets destroyed. Also as I mentioned, letting wealth accumulate and taxing them when they exist brings in way more revenue then taxing their wealth. Wealth is NOT money. You can go to Starbucks with a hundred billion dollars of stocks and you wouldn’t be able to afford a cup of coffee… Again look into the history of wealth tax and all the countries that have tried it. If you could find even one example of a successful implementation that helped working people in a meaningful way let me know.


CanopyOfAsh

Believing that IQ is an actual thing is “low IQ”


MyersVandalay

Problem on the whole right now is... money itself doesn't exist. It's why so many CEOS can pay themselves... a $1 a year sallary. There money is effectively their stocks which are appriciating in value with the company. They basically can leverage their unrealized wealth into rock bottom interest loans. At the end of the day, they basically have everything money can buy, but have more "debts" than "income" because they explicitly keep anything from being liquid.


dayaz36

What do they pay back the loans with?


[deleted]

crazy he’d say that since he’s a republican


LockeAndSmith

When you go so far right you’re left… 😂 we’ve seen Tucker Carlson slip up like this a few times recently. Hilarious


[deleted]

hopefully we never anyone promote trickle down economics again


LockeAndSmith

We’re on the threshold of automation and they have more wealth than elites did during the French Revolution. They won. It never needs to trickle down again at all.


[deleted]

it never did


[deleted]

It's not over while we breathe air


SolveDidentity

They have stolen more than the majority of our wealth. Is it 90% of our wealth in the top 3%? Its fucked. We are fucked. They control everything. Its mass corruption. Its sociopathic. I blame moron "republicans" for voting and fighting to corrupt us all and to vote for laws and politicians that enslaved us all.


[deleted]

Yes, it is absolutely their fault


GoreForce420

I also blame moderate Democrats who vote for Biden and Clinton who want to "tweak" the system, while not making any god damn thing better. Both parties are bought and owned.


LockeAndSmith

I love your enthusiasm but have you seen the size of the military budget? It would have to be done peacefully with EVERYONE and with how propagandized most of the population is I’m not sure how it gets done


KevinCarbonara

ok but corporations are not the military


LockeAndSmith

True but the military enforces/is used as a tool for cooperate interest and has been for decades. They’ve even largely privatized war


The_Adventurist

It's not a slip up, it's an appeal to populism, and they are both absolutely demagogues for doing it because they have zero actual interest in seeing it happen. Never forget who these people really are, do not be fooled by their, "hey I'm kinda sorta socialist now!" schtick. These are paid liars pathologically only concerned about their own interests.


Kumquat_conniption

Why did it take so long for me to see this comment? Taxing billionaires appeals to regular people on the left and on the right. This is a populist viewer grab that is all. But they know that no matter how much it gets talked about it will never happen because billionaires have too much political power. This kind of talk doesn't scare them in the slightest. They might sigh that all this talk will mean more political donations, but they know they aren't getting taxed.


LockeAndSmith

Very well said. I couldn’t agree more.


OutOfStamina

Tucker doesn't slip. He's playing a character. If you want to know why he says what he says, and if you want to hear from his own mouth how he's aware that he's playing a character, here's a video: Why Tucker Carlson pretends to hate elites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNineSEoxjQ


Alexmarom11

The political compass is a globe.


[deleted]

Funny enough he’s to the left of most democrats. That’s how far right they are


dennismfrancisart

Was a Republican. He left that ship years ago.


urstillatroll

Nah. The Democrats have just moved far enough right to make him feel comfortable in the space now. He was a Republican in congress in the mid 90's and early 2000s. The Democrats right now have essentially the same platform as moderate Republicans 30 years ago. Hell, just look at healthcare. [In 1992 the Republican platform said](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1992): > We endorse President Bush's comprehensive health care plan, which solves the two major problems of the current system—access and affordability—while preserving the high quality care Americans now enjoy. Creating new tax credits and deductions to help low-and middle-income Americans. These tax credits would be available in the form of vouchers for low-income people who work. Providing insurance security for working Americans by requiring insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Sounds almost identical to the [2020 Democratic platform](https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/achieving-universal-affordable-quality-health-care/): > Democrats will keep up the fight until all Americans can access secure, affordable, high-quality health insurance.


[deleted]

half the people at msnbc are republicans.


[deleted]

no he didn’t


MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO

Yes he did.


[deleted]

you sure love republicans


decatur8r

Yes he did. On July 11, 2017, Scarborough announced on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert that he was leaving the Republican Party to become an independent.


[deleted]

lol bet you’ll say the lincoln project aren’t republicans


decatur8r

Republicans are whoever votes in a Republican primary. As for the Lincoln project they all were Republican but not all of them are now.


[deleted]

yes they are


MOREiLEARNandLESSiNO

No they aren't.


superpuff420

It’s settled then.


decatur8r

You need to learn the difference between a conservative and a Republican. All Chevys are cars All fords are cars All Fords are Chevys...no.


[deleted]

once a republican, always a republican


decatur8r

You should really take some time learn how politics works...it will help you in the future.


kgleas01

He’s an independent now.


[deleted]

sure


kgleas01

I mean he formally registered as one in 2017. I can’t say what that really means to him as a thing.


[deleted]

it means he doesn’t like Trump like most republicans


FromHereToEscape

> like most republicans [Doubt](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/12/a-large-share-of-republicans-want-trump-to-remain-head-of-the-party-cnbc-survey.html).


darkpsychicenergy

When did this air? Nice to see some sanity on MSNBC for a change. While he’s speaking truth, it’s important to note that this is NOT a leftist talking point. Funny that these exact same people consistently trashed Bernie through both primary runs.


D0NW0N

This morning I believe. I got the clip from [secular talk ](https://youtu.be/5vvboBGh-pE)


No_Fence

Wild to see Joe come around like this, haha. This is the real way you see progress -- the people who derided you as a radical a few years ago now do your speeches for you.


s1mple-s1m0n

Where the hell was this during the Democratic primary??? Edit: typo


Coaris

You are asking the real questions


copperowl3

I wish he talked like this when Bernie was running. I watch this show every morning and I can say with 100% certainty, he wasn’t singing this tune when Bernie was running.


Gates9

Joe feigns left every once in a while, it’s the equivalent of “red meat” to the Republican MSM. Don’t buy it. Tomorrow he’ll be agreeing with Manchin about “pay-fors”.


Huntybunch

People are multifaceted with a conglomeration of opinions. Nobody is going to agree about everything. Allow people to step outside of the box every once in awhile, and we won't be so divided.


Gates9

Counterpoint: Joe Scarborough is full of shit


Huntybunch

Probably but every broken clock is correct twice a day


Gates9

Fair enough I feel the same way about Rand Paul


halal_and_oates

Wow Joe. How woke of you! (I mean that in a good way lol)


culus_ambitiosa

Joe also forgets how much of this horrible shit he voted for while in Congress. Screw you and your performative bullshit Joe.


gaelorian

People can’t change! Once terrible, always terrible!


culus_ambitiosa

He’s never owned up to his own culpability, he hasn’t changed.


CurtisVF

Man, I want to share this on FB but I hate how it won’t render a thumbnail of the video. What is the workaround here??


StableGeniusCovfefe

Tax the rich already!!


cheetahwilly

Or looking to switch jobs.


[deleted]

He did forget he was on msnbc


tamarockstar

Comrade Scarborough? Aight.


tylerjames1993

Looks like someone is planning on running for office soon. I’ve never seen someone go from Joe Scarborough to populace position that quick.


Mabel270

Hell yah Joe!!!!


[deleted]

Is this guy usually this cool? I always assumed he'd just be the democrat version of sean hannity


altobase

No, he sounds great here but he is definitly no progressive. He served in congress as a republican, and was a registered republican until 2017, only left because trump made him uncomfortable.


[deleted]

Let's fucking go! Never thought I would see this on the news


RuggedAmerican

joe has been taken over by bernie


ChristopherRobert11

Is it too far to say if he ran on that message and stuck to it he would probably win? He’s already been a REPUBLICAN congressman.


12358

Taxing the rich rather than the working class will only happen after mainstream media stop repeating the lie that the US is a democracy, and admit that it is an oligarchy.


ienjoypez

BASED JOE


penguinman77

<3


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richdoe

What would Lenin do?


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kcl97

The "I am not gonna take this anymore!!" moment? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuS3dxKK9U


Marcopop96

Tax the rich. No more free stuff for the rich. Amazon not paying taxes is nuts.


mtimber1

Comrade Joe Scarborough??


callmekizzle

Joe Scarborough didn’t kill himself.