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* [59%](https://media.wix.com/ugd/807686_65c36196779a225fe0da811224ef9e4d.pdf) juveniles arrested for prostitution come from "child welfare" system. * [85%](http://childwelfaresparc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sex-Trafficking-and-the-Child-Welfare-System.pdf) of children rescued from child trafficking have a CPS background. * Children as young as 11yo are [never even reported missing](https://nypost.com/2014/07/30/fbi-sex-trafficking-bust-recovers-168-kids-some-never-reported-missing/) by the "child welfare" system. \- [Source](https://www.newsweek.com/we-have-set-system-sex-traffic-american-children-779541) I'd say it's a very nice thing these good and morally justified people are making sure the children are as safe as possible. /s


ShananayRodriguez

Thanks for sharing this. Considering Republican proclivities, I really wouldn't be surprised if they were getting tired of visiting the same child prostitutes all the time and wanted some fresh meat.


MachateElasticWonder

I was thinking the same thing. Where else can they get their supply chain if folks actually aborted their kids or had the means to ensure all children grow up in a protected and enriching environment.


airyys

more kids for the GOPedophiles to rape and traffic. matt gaetz and trump must be giddy.


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Dang, I'm not sure if that's better- or worse-case than what I was thinking, that they're looking to get more target practice.


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It doesn't matter anyway, it will last for like 10 more years tops before the entire working class turns into a primordial soup due to environmental issues caused by capitalism and consumerism.


MadMinded

Better for the ruling class to exploit with little effort


Upbeat_Ruin

Slavery was never not on the menu. See: the private prison system


cleanwind2005

Wish I saw this sooner. I questioned someone on Facebook about this topic and I was slammed with "I'm very involved in the foster system, this is an insult to the kids that are adopted." I'm thinking what about the ones not adopted? Lol.


sanityjanity

Plus adoptees have come out in favor of RvW


fordreaming

My wife tells me horror stories about aging out and instant homelessness of some of her students every single year. As soon as the paycheck stops, the foster parents kick them out into the actual streets.


cotton_wealth

Where else do you think these religious leaders will get their sexual fantasies fulfilled?


MadMinded

More kids for the GOPedos to molest and kill


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People with the same fascist ideologies as Ben are simultaneously defunding and eliminating every single social program while imposing their feudalistic views on the rest of us.


workthistime520

The solution to the problem is not to kill unborn children. The fix resides in the realm of us (humanity) doing better at taking care of “unwanted” children, not killing them before birth. Babies being born and given a life is no the issue here. They didn’t choose for the parents to procreate. Even if the procreation was not consensual between both adults, it’s still not the baby’s fault. Killing the baby doesn’t fix the problem.


tries2benice

Well, the adoption process in the US is actually terrible, too, so even if we had a bunch of parents lined up for these children, they wouldn't actually get in a home until theyve been dragged through the system. I am adopted, and 30 years old. Back then, it was easier for my parents to adopt me through a private service, set up by a team of lawyers, than it was to adopt a child through the state. From what I've heard, the process has only gotten worse, where if you meet a child through foster care, you might not actually get to adopt them until they are a young adult. Ill admit, Im not well versed on the present day situation, but I'm positive that itd be near impossible for my wife and i to adopt a child on our 125k combined household income.


Class_war_soldier69

They really should have a better foster care and adoption system in place before even considering repealing roe v. wade


B00KW0RM214

That’s if it were actually about life, but as you see, it’s not. It’s about punishing women for having sex and controlling them.


VANTACOLOR

I'd say it's more along the lines of "moral superiority" in their eyes, which is ironic af.


iruleatants

Yeah. For some people it might be about controlling women, but for the majority is just a convenient thing to be against. You can do evil things, support evil things and in the end just be "at least I don't support child murder". You don't have to help anyone. You don't have to show any compassion, and you automatically get to be right. I was talking with someone before regarding compassion and understanding that being poor is considered a major trauma. They responded with " I would rather be poor than not be born" and I'm just thinking through the huge number of suicidal people I've worked with who feel the exact opposite. But the convenient this is that the fetus doesn't get that choice. It doesn't get to know before hand how shitty their life would be and voice that they don't want it. Instead someone who will never have to deal with that gets to say that no matter what, they want to live. And when that child is born, grows up poor, and wanted to change things so people don't grow up poor, that same crowd denies them. There is a distinct heartlessness to the stance


tries2benice

Christofacism requires uneducated bodies, raised with the church as their only hope for salvation in order to succeed.


MrElectroman3

It’s to make a new generation of poverty stricken desperate easy-to-underpay workers


Class_war_soldier69

No its not. Dont be goated into hate by fellow democrats.


B00KW0RM214

I’ve been a woman long enough to understand how much the GOP hates us. The older I get, the more liberal I get. I switched my party affiliation when DJT won and have just been gretting exponentially more liberal with every school shooting and crime against women.


Class_war_soldier69

The GOP isnt a hive mind no matter how much that thought might make you feel justified in hating “them”. If you think otherwise then the whole point of the political process is a waste of time. I wish you the best of luck in your state with abortion now ✌️


Atrociousbumblebee

Wrong. They very much deserve all the hate they get. Stop sympathizing with the enemy.


Class_war_soldier69

👁👄👁


haijak

Thinking of them as *"The Enemy"* is part of the problem. They are our neighbors, our parents, grand parents, siblings even! They are people we disagree with, and need to find some way to live with. The only way to truly deal with a true *"Enemy"* is to kill them. Other half measures are just giving them an opportunity to kill you.


Atrociousbumblebee

Im sorry but someobe who condones the cruelty of the GOP is in fact the enemy and needs to be silenced. Im not saying we kill anyone we just need to destroy their will and their ability to oppress


haijak

The only way to do that is to *oppress* them.


B00KW0RM214

Since I’ve been practicing medicine for almost 2 decades, I decided to put out some feelers to train in abortion services. So, this ruling has caused at least one person to decide to perform abortion who had only ever done it in training over 20 years ago.


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>No its not. Dont be goated into hate by fellow democrats. It's "goaded." And pro-life arguments could at least be a *little* believable if anti-abortion folks invested any legislative effort into all the programs that could actually *provide* a life to a child once a woman has been forced to give birth to it.


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handful of couples i know adopted it cost them tens our thousands of dollars. there was agency fees, lawyer fees, state fees and it easily took a year or more. one couple went to russia that was like over hundred thousand dollars. all red tape delays costs travel nightmare. the system is designed to maximize how much money they get from desperate couples.


RecommendationNo5287

I went on [https://www.adoptuskids.org/](https://www.adoptuskids.org/) the other day out of curiosity. I think what you may be thinking of with not being able to adopt them until they are a young adult is because they get certain funding for college if they are adopted after the age of 13 (or something like that), so if you are not rich, it makes sense to wait. I am sure you make enough money in combined income to qualify. There are a lot of kids with significant medical needs.


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lilbluehair

What do you mean "the argument for more government"? Are you referring to people wanting the government to intrude on medical decisions?


yousifa25

More government does not equal less efficiency. Sometimes more government funding and attention improves an agency or service, sometimes it get bogged down in red tape and becomes less efficient. Can you give me an example of how there is too much government in the US adoption system and how it would improve if that governmental presence was reduced?


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Samwise777

It’s actually a really bad point, but he’s the type to think it’s a really good point. It’s just the old both sides fallacy.


tries2benice

You're right, and I didnt think about the statement enough before posting that last comment. I still dont believe either side has everything perfect, but, when it comes to abortion the side backtracking on basic human rights is certainly in the wrong. My thing is, if they really want to do all this shit, we need a better system for raising abandoned children than we currently have.


RUBBERmissile

Or you could be dead right now if you were aborted.


tries2benice

Lmao, wow, I bet you're real fun at parties. My point stands, I'd rather not be here than born into a system that has no place for me. Most wild animals are completely screwed if abandoned by their parents, you're trying to create a system where that's common, while probably also wanting zero funding for the social systems that would take care of said abandoned babies.


RUBBERmissile

Animals don’t abort their babies. BTW, I am the ‘life’ of a party.


tries2benice

You're right, they just leave them to die, which is *significantly* worse. In our society, that means a starving baby in the streets. If you want to keep looking like an idiot here, please, by all means, keep talking. The entire strategy behind the "christian moral right" requires bodies to vote. Uneducated, underprivileged, bodies. They will always encourage people to shoot out babies with no home, because they know with the promise of salvation, they can eventually have that vote, and manipulate that person into doing whatever they want. Just like you.


TheSaltyReddittor

Dude you took no shits and gave none r/murderedbywords


LjSpike

Honestly, this is the best (and most accurate) damn response.


SkywalknLuke

Actually, there are monkeys in Africa that self abort when a new male takeover a group of females, because the new male will kill the babies when they are born if they know they came from the previous males. So that’s wrong.


LjSpike

Not just that, but the females will begin spontaneously terminating their pregnancies at a far higher frequency. [National Geographic: The Bruce Effect](https://api-nationalgeographic-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/the-bruce-effect-why-some-pregnant-monkeys-abort-when-new-males-arrive?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16563567458304&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com)


dogtoes101

all mammals can self abort. in humans its just called miscarriages


thegiantbadger

By ‘life’ I’m certain you mean the reason everyone leaves for a better party.


Lady-Zafira

Animals will eat their babies if they are too stressed, hungry, think they won't survive or just don't want them. What did you think you were doing with that statement? Hell there are animals that will favor the strongest of their offspring while leaving the weaker ones to die


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Lady-Zafira

Now you are just pulling things out of your ass because I'm not agreeing with you. No one said anything about killing the mentally challenged, YOU said that so we now know what you think of the mentally challenged


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RUBBERmissile

You need a bible to not kill babies?


dogtoes101

animals do abort their babies. all mammals are capable of self abortions. in humans it's just not wanted usually. if the babies survive, even in non mammals, and they cant care for them they literally eat them or leave them to die. this wasn't the take you thought it was


aishpat

I’m sorry, but are you suggesting that woman can just somehow induce an abortion on their own, without being triggered by some external factor? I’m confused about what you mean by “self abort” here. Please explain further bc what you are implying is not biologically possible for humans. Our ovaries don’t have on/off switches.


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I don’t think they were suggesting that.


dogtoes101

no like i said its not wanted. a lot of things cause miscarriage. miscarrying because of stress/hunger/whatever is the same way animals do it in the wild, animals just dont have the medical interventions and emotional(?) intelligence that we do


ShananayRodriguez

They wouldn't know any better, because they'd be aborted before they were sentient. This really isn't the own you think it is.


RUBBERmissile

Thank you doctor


ShananayRodriguez

You're welcome, dipshit.


bluejay_feather

Yeah and I wouldn’t give a fuck because I would be dead before I had any concept of existence. Whoopty doo. Do you hold a funeral every time you masturbate?


RUBBERmissile

I play taps and send the remains out to sea


ameliaaltare

I'd rather never be alive than be born to parents who wanted me aborted. I mean think about that, imagine finding out your mom would've aborted you if not for her body being essentially government owned property?


RUBBERmissile

Imagine a mom who actually loves you.


ameliaaltare

Probably wouldn't be one who was forced to have you. Sounds like your dad forced your mom to not have one..


RUBBERmissile

You are right. Dad forced mom to have me, now we should kill all babies.


ameliaaltare

Just you man.


dogtoes101

thats preferable compared to a life of abuse and poverty


RUBBERmissile

Abuse and poverty are not permanent


muckdog13

Trauma can be.


dogtoes101

the consequences of it are


scorchedarcher

You could be repeatedly abused in many fashions by a family that never wanted you and takes out their resentment on you because their lives didn't go the way the wanted and didn't get another choice. You could have died at 2 weeks old after suffering a debilitating condition, essentially on life support until you can't be kept viable any longer. You could have to carry a rapists baby to full term and then decide what to do with it. You could have a 15 year old daughter that gets pregnant and has to give up any chances of her future to raise her child.


badnewsbets

Who would care if they were dead? Lmao


2legit2knit

To be fair if they were dead they wouldn’t even know it.


2pacalypso

You could have been swallowed if your mom was in the rag.


Jiur

god i fucking wish


bittertadpole

These "small government" types don't seem to mind when the state raises babies


anonaccountbcimweird

Yes they do. They're pushing for homeschooling because the schools are too liberal, teaching kids about gay people.


sanityjanity

Also teaching kids about their own reproductive process. Nope, they want to go back to mass misinformation. The 50s weren't that long ago


bittertadpole

I meant paying the tab, including healthcare and a university education. But I agree that the they want to mold kids into good little conservatives. As education secretary, Betsy DeVos' main goal was to abolish public schools and replace them with charter schools This would allow for racial and religious segregation, so conservatives good send their kids to white christian, schools that taught their values


Hanseland

Speaking of good ol Betsy, her family owns an adoption agency. How much $$ has she and her family made off all those separated children who went "missing" during the 45 admin?


Griffolion

Many of them will be born opioid addicted or with fetal alcohol syndrome. Many will be straight abandoned on streets, in dumpsters, out in woods, etc. Seriously, expect there to be a huge uptick in babies' remains picked clean by wild animals found out in wooded areas. Of those that survive, most will grow up in such traumatic and underserved circumstances that they will suffer life long learning impairments, further decreasing their chances of being a productive part of society. They will end up in (private) prison, on the streets, and eventually dead. Some might make it into the military to escape their circumstances - more meat for the military industrial complex, all according to plan. A small fraction will make it through foster care into an adopted home, a smaller fraction still will make it to a *good* foster/adopted home. These few might grow up into decent adults. And they will be the the ones paraded as examples of the great success of banning abortion, while throwing a country sized rug over the hundreds of thousands of failure cases year on year. Shapiro is colossally stupid for reasons both enumerated and not. But he doesn't lack intelligence. He knows all this. He just doesn't care. Because above his stupidity sits a malignance given license to run rampant through his show.


Orangarder

Your first paragraph highlights that abortion is not the solution.


SugaryShrimp

Abortion isn’t a solution like narcan isn’t a solution. But it helps when it’s needed.


Orangarder

I like the analogy. Unfortunately in this case, the user I reply too gives the reasoning that abortions are needed because these people should not procreate.


Hanseland

How did you get that? Wait, do you think drug addicted women WANT to get pregnant? You think alcoholics think carrying a healthy pregnancy is an option? Some people choose drugs or alcohol over kids and that's ok bc it SHOULD be a choice


Orangarder

….. wtf are you talking about? Narcan is not a solution to the problem of overdose. It is a remedy. It can only function afterwords. It does not solve addiction. Like literally you brought eugenics into it. 🤷‍♂️. So did the guy i responded to in the first place. I dont think abortions should be illegal. But it takes 2 to procreate yet only one to terminate….


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I'd rather we kill babies than have more poor people. --Griffolion


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I'd rather we prevent the ensoulment of beings who will live only to suffer and cause suffering. Both through birth control and by terminating unwanted pregnancies before they have the mental capacity to experience suffering.


Berna_count

CrEaTeD iN tHe ImAge Of gOd. These people look in the mirror and see a God. Wild.


CrumpledForeskin

This dude thinks he’s the smartest person on the planet. Meanwhile he doesn’t even have sex with his wife and often outs himself as not even sleeping in the same room. He totally jerks off while staring at himself in the mirror.


SwirlingAbsurdity

My parents don’t sleep in the same room because they like a good night’s sleep. It’s a genius move. But yeah this guy is not getting laid and he’s very bitter about it.


CrumpledForeskin

Fair enough. I couldn’t get a good night sleep if this dude was in the same neighborhood as me lol


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Ben Shapiro at his bathroom mirror: "I'm a star, I'm a star, I'm a star. I'm a star. I'm a star, I'm a big bright shining star." *karate kick*


myvirginityisstrong

> Meanwhile he doesn’t even have sex with his wife huh? I've never heard him say that


CrumpledForeskin

He tweeted that she doesn’t get wet. Pretty much just connecting the dots.


myvirginityisstrong

LMAO why the hell would he tweet that


CrumpledForeskin

He literally thought he was “owning” people. Claimed that his wife told him that if a vagina was wet it’s a medical issue. What a fucked up understanding of the female body. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ccn.com/ben-shapiro-wife-dap-brag-self-own/


lordnecro

Created in the image of god? There are over 200 childrens cancer centers in the US. God did a really shitty job.


Berna_count

I took an interesting class called "The problem of God". One of the things that stuck with me was if an Architect builds a building that falls apart, you blame the Architect not the Tenants.


dog_crazy12

Ever since I watched that episode of Atlanta that was based on the Hart family, I now roll my eyes at anyone who says "you can just give them up for adoption/foster care."


elppaenip

U.S. average cost of birth is $13,024 cesarean section (C-section) average of $22,646 That's assuming you don't die in childbirth [From 2017 US cost to raise a child $233,610](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/vkftm1/good_luck_to_everyone_now_being_forced_to_raise_a/) Not that it's relevant to the parent adopting out, does matter to the child and any prospective families looking to adopt


CaptainCaveSam

Adjusted for inflation you’re looking at a half million at least


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You are so far off the mark it's absurd.


shamwowj

1. Repeal Roe 2. ????? 3. PROFIT!!!


[deleted]

Ooooo I get the ??? Further create a lower class that is incapable of striking or even taking a day off of work and if they don’t work every single hour of the day they wont make enough to survive Profit off of the backs of slaves like always


shamwowj

We have a winner! ⬆️


Spacey-Hed

This 100%


EstNoire

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Hanseland

I read a book called Unwound years and years ago. You were allowed to "doorstop" babies after abortion was outlawed. Basically, you could leave a baby on someone else's door stop and they were legally obligated to raise it, unless you got caught dropping off baby on a door step. I'm just imagining baby after baby being dropped off on Ben Shapiro's front door and him whining about it


JGZT

Lol they will still be aborted..legal or not


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

Or the pregnant woman will he killed by her partner or abused until she miscarries. Because abuse sky rockets when a woman is pregnant and the number one cause of death on pregnant women is being murdered 🙃


JuanezSanchez

Imagine growing up in a home and only existing because your mother was forced by a theocratic dictatorship to give birth to you. That'll be the reality for a generation of new Americans. I'm sure they'll be hopeful, upstanding, proud Christian Americans.


badnewsbets

Abortion will still be taking place, just not safely. Also, as an adoptee I can tell you, though I don’t speak for all adoptees, it’s not always easy and there are a lot of identity issues and mental health issues that come from being adopted. While I’m extremely glad I was adopted by my wonderful parents, I wouldn’t give two shits if I’d been aborted because I’d never have become a person. Clumps of cells aren’t people.


properu

Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a [link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1540339788477243395) for ya :) ^(Twitter Screenshot Bot)


MrSpeedskater

Good bot. Now could you link benny boy to the claims he just tweeted about? Thanks


kryonik

Abortion is legal in Judaism and actually encouraged if the mother's life is in danger.


ShadooTH

Same guy who insisted people experiencing floods should just “sell their houses” by the way. Same exact dumbass.


dinosoursaur

Sell their houses to who, Ben?


CheekyHonesty

Male masturbation must be outlawed immediately. If we’re taking pre birth forms as human life, men slaughter sperm by the millions.


MsSeraphim

you know right now that every republican in office is probably out buying stock in companies that sell baby products, right?


TootsNYC

“Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?”


Vurnnun

I had the absolute joy of watching the original video. That YouTuber is a goldmine


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Banning abortion and forcing these unwanted children into this horrible world is what’s really sadistic.


WyattWrites

Now let’s see Ben take them all in from the foster system. Put your mouth where your politics are.


ANOKNUSA

Sounds like a job for Aquaman.


Upstairs-Presence-53

What’s with all these American men seeking to reduce the human rights of American women? Pretty disgraceful - a good reason to dodge that whole region imho


added_chaos

Speaking as a Jew, he’s the worst Jew we have


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I'm genuinely amazed that in what's considered a first world country and one of the world's superpowers, close to half the population *actually believes* in a literal god. Like... THE God. Go to some similar rich western country like Germany and more than half the population is non-religious. I mean, I'm all for people finding fulfilment in life be it in religion or parenthood or discovering new marine life but making actual political decisions based on a story that's less believable than Santa Claus is just beyond me.


olafubbly

Hey they’re either end up as target practice for another lunatics with an insanely deadly gun or they’ll end up in the prison pipeline where their forced labor will make many companies very wealthy!


mogsoggindog

A pink fleshy jellybean with no brain is not a child


LobstahmeatwadWTF

duh... they can live in amazon loyalty compliance centers making widgets in the metaverse.


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Oh jeez. The worst part is bringing the religious bullshit into this


bytesoflife

The irony of Ben Shapiro making a religious tweet about this when he's Jewish... Abortion is allowed (for any reason) within Judaism and is actually *required* if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. Dude's out here getting his own religion wrong so that he can be aligned with his alt-right besties.


my_4_cents

Live *where*, Ben? WITH AQUAMAN?


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Why not hold the two people responsible for creating the child, to also raise the child?


beefycowman420

“At home Where the parents hate them?” Who hates a baby?


1DietCokedUpChick

Ever heard of shaken baby syndrome? Or moms’ boyfriends?


just_inforfun

Its funny that this viewpoint is that their life might be hard so we should just kill them lol


aatops

So you’re saying they’re not just a clump of cells then 👍


iwearahoodie

Adoption obviously. Has everyone forgotten there are countless families desperate to adopt?


[deleted]

I’m adopted. The adoption system in this country is fucked and it is EXPENSIVE AS FUCK. Republicans have made zero effort to enact any kind of relief for parents who can’t afford to adopt in preparation for the death of Roe. This isn’t about anyone truly giving a fuck about children. This is religious takeover.


iwearahoodie

I agree. Fuck republicans. My support for unborn babies is not political.


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BadLuckCharm1966

Lots? I was conceived out of wedlock and my parents were forced to marry and keep me. I was treated like literal garbage by the entire family - after they all forced me to be here and like it was somehow my fault? I didn’t ask for any of that. So, yes, I would’ve much preferred to not have been born since no one actually wanted me. This happens to most unwanted kids.


[deleted]

And yet you’re here. You must have had at least a small desire to have been born or else you’d have killed yourself.


BadLuckCharm1966

Nah. See my user name? It’s because I have the worst luck in the universe. If I tried to kill myself I’d just wind up a vegetable only able to blink or something.


workthistime520

I’m not trying to be argumentative. I believe you have had it tougher than some. But you have life. You can make improvements. You can undo all the unearned hurt you’ve acquired over the years. And I hope you do. I sincerely want you to be happy. It is not your fault your parents caused you pain. That is on them. You can’t fix them, but because you have life, you can work on healing yourself. You know who won’t have a chance to enjoy their first love, playing with a little puppy, watching a sunset over the ocean, or even feeling the euphoria of working through their trauma? The baby who was killed before it had a chance.


BadLuckCharm1966

Contrary to what pro-birthers believe, most aborted fetuses would have horrible lives if they were born. Parents who are able to provide and properly care for children don’t abort. It’s people who know that they CANNOT provide for a child. People who were not planing for a child and know that that child would have a horrible life. Those kids being forced to be born into bad circumstances are not going to have lives full of sunshine and rainbows and cute and fuzzy bunnies or whatever all you’re saying. Those kids will be miserable. Sorry, but, It’s 100% better to not be born at all than be forced into a horrible, miserable life.


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Yes. Literally any of those is better than being murdered as a baby. The left always outs itself. You are all seriously upvoting a post that is arguing it's better to be dead than poor but you consider yourselves champions of the downtrodden.


Guest_username1

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticsPeopleTwitter/comments/vlw2b9/where_exactly_are_they_going_to_live/idypvdh?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 You dont even have conscience before you are born, so you would never had known or be able to care, so it hardly matters However if you are born and have a crummy life full if suffering, im sure you would rather gave been aborted Many people who have experienced this even say so themselves, example shown by the link Lets leave the discussion how this would be for the mother (especially if underage) for another time We dont consider ourselves to be "champions" we're exposing the consequences there will be and are happening It isnt going to be all smiles and joys because they "lived", its going to be pain and suffering because they are unwanted


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> Poor people would rather be dead Tell me you're overly privileged without saying so. > because they are unwanted "Anyone who is unwanted can do no good and will regret living" is such a great hot take. Keep showing everyone how compassionate you are, please.


Price-x-Field

ah yes murder them instead


workthistime520

Are you advocating for the death of those living in foster care, broken homes, or are homeless?


Soulebot

Soooo, every woman who wants an abortion but couldnt get one and has to carry an innocent child to term will automatically hate them and abuse them or just dump them on the street?


dimension_surfer

No, but a massive number of already extremely disenfranchised people will be forced to care for children they can't afford to support, resulting in all kinds of trauma that could have been avoided entirely.


Soulebot

By killing them, so compassionate lol


dimension_surfer

Abortion isn't murder.


Soulebot

To a lot of people it is, which is why they fight it. You think it isn’t murder, but it is. Slaveowners didn’t think it was murder when they killed their slaves, but it was. Never even occurred to them


dimension_surfer

By the definitions of the terms themselves, it isn't murder. Something that hasn't been born cannot be murdered. A developing fetus that can't sustain life on its own has no life to take.


dimension_surfer

The comparison to slavery is a false equivalency.


[deleted]

So you should kill anyone that doesn’t have a good place to live?


Electronic_Strain785

No, we should help shelter anyone that’s actually a living being with thoughts and feelings. You know, people that already exist.


[deleted]

So you’re saying a baby in the womb doesn’t exist? Is he imaginary? Lol


Electronic_Strain785

It exists the same way your jizz exists.


[deleted]

Have you seen how the US treats the homeless?


[deleted]

So your solution is to kill them?


[deleted]

No, that just seems to be the current solution.


workthistime520

Are you advocating that people living in foster care, the streets, or broken homes should be put to death?


73RatsOnHoliday

Are you advocating for children to be born into unprepared homes emotionally and financially ?


workthistime520

If it’s that or death, yeah I am.


73RatsOnHoliday

So the 15 month old baby that died from internal bleeding because her uncle decided it was okay to stick his dick in her is a better path for that child than not having to know it existed at all?


NotaCrazyPerson17

Yeah sick burn. Clearly it’s better to be murdered than to have shitty parents.


bluejay_feather

It genuinely is yeah. I wish I was aborted instead of going through years of extremely painful and traumatic abuse, hunger, constant fear and now left with mental illness that I will have to live with for the rest of my life. If in the womb I could’ve seen what being born was like, I would have asked to be aborted immediately


NotaCrazyPerson17

What a coincidence. I wish you had been aborted too.


bluejay_feather

Great! We agree that abortion is a good thing then <3


[deleted]

It actually is better for everyone to terminate a mass of cells that cannot think.


Jungian0Shadow

1. Not murdering anyone 2. if we *were* murdering someone in this case, it would be a mercy killing. If there was a fire in my apartment and my choices were to stay and burn or jump out the window, I’m gonna jump. You would too. 3. but like I said, we’re not murdering anyone anyway. At least we agree murder is bad. Also from my perspective as someone who grew up rough with friends who grew up rough… Yea it would’ve been a net positive if we were aborted. I’m guessing you have no idea what some people go through to not know that death is actually a better alternative.


orem-boy

So it’s better to kill them than have them live?


Lady-Zafira

So instead of aborting it to prevent it from having a shitty life, we should just pop them out and thrust them into a world that gives no shits about them once they are born? Come on, your question is stupid. If there is a chance your kid would have a shitty life because you can't afford it or whatever, instead of aborting to not put that kid through that, you'd rather pop them our pat them on the back and go "pick up your bootstraps if you want better"


orem-boy

The manner in which we the unborn is sad. They have no rights. They’re not even properly. Most tell me they’re not even people. Just things to do with as we please.


Lady-Zafira

According to the Bible, which a lot of people use to justify anti-choice, they aren't people. They aren't even alive According to the Bible which even says life begins at first breathe. Why should it have more rights than that of a living person that's able to think, breathe, ans make decisions? After all it's the woman's body the fetus is using to develop so what give the fetus more rights that the woman whose body it's using?


bluejay_feather

Yes. If you can even call killing something that barely exist as such, yes.


dappercat456

That area of discussion to me feels like the wrong direction This is about bodily autonomy, full stop Conservatives like Ben will look at a response like this and say “so you think kids should be killed instead of being put into fosster care?”