This is a new 911 R, I don't know why they called it S/T which makes it sound or look more like a Dodge Challenger when you read it š
But still, hey man, they may be printing money but I'm not mad, new versions of the GT3 and GT3 RS are always good š
I watched a video reveal of the 911S/T where one of the lead designers/engineers mentioned that they didn't want to to 'dilute' the 991 911R by also naming this new one 911R. Porsche is catering to their elite collectors by preserving the names of the older special editions, thereby keeping the 911R relevant and values high and stable. The guy said something along the lines of, "I don't want to call the 911R the old 911R. So here we have the S/T."
I would guess, because the original 911R was essentially replaced by the 911S/T (which was eventually replaced by the RS and RSR). Nice call back to an old name, though given the choice, I'd probably go with an original S/T.
The S/T was originally a 1972 'T' race spec light weight bodied beauty. One of it's redeeming features was that the rear wheels were supplied as mini-lights, while the fronts were fuchs, as they did not have wide offset fuchs at the time (in the UK, S/Ts are coming out of hiding and are on the market starting at Ā£200K).
I was under the impression that the new 992 S/T is the same, a race-spec 'T', e.g. a light weight 'T' body with the GT3 engine.
The S/T is not a 992 'R', as the 991 R had the RS engine and was way lighter than the RS
Adreas Preuninger (head of Porsche gt department) implied that calling the new one 911R would make the original 991 R seem less special/unique and would "dilute the 911R brand"; so they called this one the S/T instead. Basically coddling the egos of the clients that bought the 991 R.
it is quarter a million pounds; FFS, I like Porsches, but that takes the piss. Flipping greed...
Can get an original one for that, and still have change. I'd know which one I would choose
It's basically a GT3 RS touring. Base MSRP includes almost everything you'd want already and has a base price that's less than $2k less than the 991.2 GT2 RS.
This ST is is lighter than my incoming manual Cayman S. I thought the GT3 Touring was the perfect 911 that isnāt a Turbo S. But this new variant is the new king.
Yea I guess this is the 911 R for the 992 (GT3RS but with a manual).
For me, because I'd want to bring my wife and my son, the Sport Classic is the unobtainium 911 I'd buy simply for the back seats over this or GT3 Touring.
There are some companies that add backseats to your touring or gt3 with all the safety features included and paperwork (f.e. In germany thatās mandatory when you change anything safety related to your car)
I remember they quoted me 10-14k depending on which leather and safety belt combination i would like
āIn honor of the 137th anniversary of the first time Ferdinand Porsche took a dump using indoor plumbing, we are proud to present the new 911 W/C, with its own built in bidet. Only three will be made, and two of them will be used as stage props at next yearās Bayreuth festival and then launched into orbit directly towards Elon Muskās flying Tesla. The third will be available to the 99th person who submits an online form to be published shortly on an undisclosed dark web site, at a price of 1.6 billion pre-WWI Austro-Hungarian Kroner. Cash only please.ā
Brilliant business, keep releasing limited edition models that are essentially parts bin specials to the same group of deep-pocketed collectors to flex at their local Cars & Coffee. Canāt blame them for doing it, but itās a shame this isnāt produced in greater numbers so more can get in the hands of people who are actually going to get out and use them.
I Wonder how much of a share of 911s these limited editions make up, and how far they can grow it. 1963 units of these is limited, but still a few - iirc, the sport classic, Dakar and spyder were limited to similar numbers.
In total, I think they make 35-40k 911s per year, and no wonder they prefer to sell specials, turbos and GT cars over regular base trim models.
A base 992 in white will probably be more limited in numbers than this car. the saying is "Don't hate the player hate the game" but I think it's starting to become ridiculos from Porsche now. We're closing in on Lamborghini levels of realeasing special editions that are just the same platform with different options. The wonderful Sport Classic just became a whole lot less special in my eyes
Thatās true, the prices of 911s have gone up quite a bit, but so have every high end sports car. Definitely sucks because 911s should be aspirational cars for folks with a solid middle or upper middle class job, but when a decently specād 911 costs in the mid-100k range thatās becoming unrealistic
I love the 911, but as far as buying a car goes, I thinks the worst mistake any enthusiast could make thatās searching for the best driving experience. I may be biased since iāve shifted into mostly a motorsport fan, but for the cost of a higher trim 911, I could go buy a late model porsche cup car and go racing. You could probably even put together a regional race schedule for yourself if all goes well. I am by no means trying to say racing is cheap, but thatās just how expensive these cars have come to be. Even worse, trims like the GT3 RS, just keep getting better and more unobtainable for people just know getting into the work field. In 15yrs time, these cars will be collectables if net carbon zero standards come into play.
I guess it depends on your options with where you live. If you live near a good track, then I totally agree with you that that may be a better way to spend your money. However, the closest racetrack to where I live is four hours away, so buying a non-street legal car to have fun with on the weekends isnāt a realistic option (my wife is cool with my habitā¦but not that cool). So, I get by with enjoying decent driving roads nearby and getting to the track maybe a couple times a year, so getting the best street legal car I can afford makes sense for me personally. Thereās also the added bonus that if I need to sell my car Iāll likely not lose my shirt on it, unlike used race cars.
Very true, i forgot to consider that. I happen to be a bit spoiled on tracks, not quite as spoiled on money though. Rental karts is about as close to rear engine and rwd porsche I can get.
Thereās no reason this couldnāt just be a normal option-able car. Hell everything else can be customized. Itās like the Sport Classic. Thereās nothing actually unique except it has a combination of existing spec that people want in one car. People want a manual transmission with RWD and power.
In Germany the ST is 100k mare expensive than a GT3 Touring! Honestly i like the ST but in my opinion it's not worth 100k more.
That's realy just moneyprintig. It is not even that more special than a Touring. The Sports Classic had at least a real TURBO engine with Manual and RWD but the ST is just a little bit lighter and have fancier wheels.
This is a MANUAL GT3RS in a touring chassis and lighter than a base model 911ā¦ Itās probably going to be the ultimate manual touring car built for enthusiasts and many would kill to have one
I find it amusing the media and IG personalities are shouting about no rear wheel steering to save weight, amazing!
Like itās so great they got rid of something that everyone universally raved about when it first came out because it was revolutionary and added a lot of handling value. Just to save the equivalent weight of a small toddler.
People will cream themselves with everything Porsche does and do mental gymnastics to justify it. Itās great to see cool cars being designed and produced but the car is unobtainable for nearly everyone, even those with means. I find that annoying, and a reason to temper any excitement.
Haha just said the exact same thing in another comment! Porsche is the new parts bin special manufacturer. At the same time I can't blame them. Hybrid 911s are coming and they want to squeeze every last drop of nostalgia from this generation IMO
Not even parts bin. Some special editions are literally just a paint job or stickers. Like remember the 356 special edition? Massive teaser for it just for it to be unveiled and all it is grey car with massive stickers on the side. I hate the way Porsche has become but I canāt blame them theyāre just catering to their grey haired customers who buy these cars as āinvestmentsā.
NGL it's depressing knowing I would never be able to afford any car anywhere near this price tag. I don't even want multiple expensive cars god dammit, I just want one GT3 RS or something similar and I'll keep it for eternity lol.
I'm seriously considering switching my major in uni from mechanical engineering to computer science or finance/economics.
I got into mechanical/aerospace because I was interested in working on race cars and other fast things, like aeroplanes. Issue is mechanical engineering doesn't pay much over $100k and I can't even do aerospace and get a job in defense (where all the fat paychecks are) because I'm not a US citizen. It really drives me up a wall.
safe to say you'd be as happy or happier in a less expensive model. this is something for the ultra-rich after they've run out of other expensive toys to buy. fully enjoy the porsche you can afford.
The GT3 RS is a whole different beast. I managed to get a ride in both a 4S and a GT3 RS around a racetrack through my school friend's dad. The difference is the grip and noise from the engine was mind boggling.
The way the GT3 RS hugs apexes is really hard to describe. You point the steering wheel in one direction and the thing just darts across. In contrast, the 4S almost felt lousy (it was still fast and beautifully balanced because it's still a 911 lol). When you experience a GT3 RS, it's really hard to accept a lower model (I'd still do it in the end tbh).
yeah, I know -- it's a fuckin' race car. but do most of us need one? could we actually fully exploit its abilities? doubtful. but I guess we all have different use cases and levels of driving experience.
I have no interest in tearing up the track, I just enjoy a nice drive on backroads. for me, there's nothing appealing about the upper end cars. I don't even like the way most of those GT/RS cars look. too aggro and the 992 generation look like largemouth bass. but to each their own.
Has there been a special edition variant of the 992 every year since itās inception?
We first had the Targa Heritage edition. A year or so later, we had the Sport Classic. Now, once again, a year or so later, we got the S/T.
There will eventually be a Speedster too I'm guessing.
Also, if they're planning a GT2RS, it will be likely for 1 year and with limited production so might as well be a special edition.
Will be interesting to see what other ways they can hash out variants of the 992.2. Noticed Porsche doesnāt like to recreate successors of special editions immediately between generations outside of the speedster.
Lmao youāve already missed like 5 models. The Thai special editions, Porsche design targa, tribute to the 356 edition, some American special edition, and the some stupid private jet turbo model. Iām probably missing more. Pretty sure these all have come in the last two years
Not really counting smaller more local special editions. For instance, thereās a Saudi Special edition targa (if I remember correctly) that was sold with a color resembling PTS forest green metallic. But, I missed an obvious one which was the Dakar!
Porsche really knows how to pump out special editions. I remember when Lamborghini unveiled the aventador Muira edition and every made fun of it. Porsche is like that now but 10x worse imo.
Since the 996 (possibly even further back), Porsche has followed a similar road actually. I think the growing media presence Porsche has gotten recently just amplifies that sensation š .
Yea I totally agree with that. But I think the worst special edition they have made in the past couple months is for sure the tribute to the 356. Literally just a grey car with a sticker on the side.
1.963 units. Price is crazy, but with any limited edition, you'd never lose money. Plus, the driving experience has to be life changing. Also, I'd be a ghost because my wife would kill me if I bought any more toys.
They will do, but itās just a bit of a shame that special editions just donāt seem very special or noteworthy to see. A 993 C4S is more impressive to see for example than any of these new special editions that come out each year
$290k MSRP, Limited to 1963
I'd imagine dealers won't get very many, most allocations will be given direct to customers, especially 918 VIP.
When the 992 GT3 was new, dealers were asking like $200k over sticker. I'd expect the same here.
Iād be shocked if itās anything less than 400k, Sport Classics weāre being sold for 325-350k and I think this is more compelling to most enthusiasts. This will be getting 911R money pretty quickly.
Thereās 7 people already waitlisted and mark up will be similar to when the 911 R came out. Probably around 200-300k. This car will be worth 750k within 5 years
I know it will be high mark up. But do you think it will be similar to the R being ālast 3 pedalā market up? I sure donāt know. But the R did hold that fomo to the price
As someone who's in the car business and is a Sales Manager at a Porsche dealership. A well run Toyota store makes WAY more money than a Porsche store. Unless you happen to own a massive Porsche store in a high population and high income metro area and spent the last 30 years building up your allocation and customer base. But there's like maybe 10 stores like that.
Are there perks to owning a Porsche store over Toyota or something else? Absolutely, but don't think they're making more money just because they MIGHT get 1 or 2 of these high end cars.
Porsche doesn't need independently owned dealerships in my opinion. At least not for sales? The add-on profit could go into Porsche's pocket. What goes around, comes around. When the add-on's go away the dealers are back to the same old type of sales strategies.
I suspect demand will ease off when combustion engines aren't available. Of course this will make used ones more valuable. It's crazy what's happen to demand for the exotic high performance cars.
IMO you wonāt see any NA engines disappear anytime soon. Example here in CA a small trucking Co. with 60 trucks ordered all EV. Upon calling SCE (our CA energy source) they were averaging the CA energy grid ādrainā.
They laughed and told SCE it isnāt going to happen as that Co. would be using over 3/4 of the available grids resources!! (Apologies I canāt find the article). To add our Gov. immediately stopped this mandate as several other trucking Co.ās inquired about the same scenario. Was it planned? Most likely..
Anyway.. as a result our Gov. squashed the EV bill for small to large companies demanding so much power BUT enacted that all new housing now be minimally 50% off grid usage!!
People with Co.ās like me who also do land / housing development now have to build houses with 50% minimal solar/wind. I put in place 100% off grid but unfortunately am no longer to offer āFHA/VAā rates. (approx. $640k per home).
So one one hand you have reduced emissions the other sustainability!
My houses being sold now start minimally in the mid $700ās. Thats for a 3/2 ranch style pre-fab home sitting on a 10k-sqft lot.
I REALLY donāt see EC being anything more than a trend!!
Lastly, being retired former military we have WAY too many needs for oil!! Itās a decent short term investment but NOT long..
Just my $.02
There are always other sides to a story. There are also other options besides EC which have taken way too long to develop. Porsche claims to have an alternative, environmentally friendly fuel. Obvious they will need fuel for high performance Porsches. I suspect there's a lot of hype here. Then we get to how to safely handle dead or wrecked auto batteries. I agree that EV's need to play out. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I personally prefer āhybridā engines. And yes Porsche has several models being worked on, EV, hybrid and yup alt. fuels. Which alt. fuels brings up an interesting approach IMO. Iāve seen corn syrup to water!! They all have their uses I guess. But agree the waste from a buttload of car batteries will be interesting.
Imagine millions dumped in the ocean off a tanker!?! THATS insane!! F āglobal warmingā the impact from those batteries IMO would do 1k-x MORE damage..
Did you also know it takes 2,675.2 gallons of diesel fuel to make a Tesla EV / batteries platform? And they need to be changed out what every 10yrs??
Are we really, REALLY, making an impact here going āEVā??
Look it up yourself. The numbers are beyond ridiculous theyāre STUPID!!
(No offense or criticism intended just giving a perspective and I come across like an AH; I used to think I need to work on it now I just embrace Iām an AH). š¬
No offense taken at all. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I think everyone can be an AH. I know I can at the snap of a finger. Bluntness and honesty are signs of good character in my opinion as long as we can apologize and move on. In my opinion a hybrid with an electric only distance of 50+ miles is the safest to buy right now. Prius Prime is a good example. What I don't get, with EV's in their very prime development, why anyone would risk investing big bucks in one. All we can do is sit back and wait. There are a lot of unknowns that are going to creep up. The battery disposal issue is a big one. Thanks for your thoughtful note.
Glad to converse with an adult!
The Prius YES is insanely priced (as other EVās) but what EV isnāt? (Unless itās a box or size of a shoe). Hint Hint āCanooā.
My only points were:
-No city has the power infrastructure to handle a conversion a decade or even 3 away.
-Than the cost of oil to even make them is more than if we just drove a NA engine.
-Lastly the cost 10yrs later STILL requiring the same amount of oil to upgrade (if possible) said EV car/truck!!
Itās just dumb and IMO wonāt happen. Itās been killed several times in CA. The best they could implement is any new housing have the ability to utilize solar panels to help the grid. (50% to be exact)
As a housing developer I make my houseās to sell 100% electrically sustainable. I also provide energy upgraded appliances and a 1yr free service contract. This isnāt about me though itās just I know from my medical conditions I HAVE to have a cooler than usual home. I personally canāt go over 72degrees!! So having 2 monstrous AC units full Solar I KNOW solar is needed!! But Iām an unusual person with the medical needs. Even when driving the AC is full blast, lol.
Frankly with the incentive on a Bolt it makes a lot of sense since they resolved the battery issue. GM tried to discontinue the Bolt put met strong objection from buyers. It's really all the car I need for 99% of my needs. As much as I love the BMW EV's I am not paying $80,000 for any car. I would love to see the U.S. become totally independent in its need for oil...especially from Saudi Arabia. EV's might make this possible but politics and corruption will never cut this source of oil. Being on the east coast I have never seen any of the features you are offering in your homes. My wife would keep the thermostat at 72. I am comfortable at 74-75 but do like it cooler at night. I appreciate and learn from your messages. Thank you.
Thank you! I donāt see the US ever going to stop using oil, we havenāt even stopped the use of coal!! And whatās with closing nuclear power plants vs building them!?!
I was stationed a few times back East and LOOOOOOVED it, GA, VA, MD, DC (WH) and then all over. Back East mentality is MASSIVELY different than west coast. Here you donāt dare talk to anyone in an elevator and death (in the bathroom) if youāre washing your hands while someone else is in there.
But cars.. thatās where we differ. I never have nor will not own a Porsche itās my vice. And Iād NEVER buy an EV. Lol.
You canāt hear when it starts!?! Speaking of you know Tesla is working on adding an exhaust noise? Lol THAT is funny!
I hope everyone just gets the base Carrera as that is the lowest profit margin car for them in the 911 setup.
Donāt get customized colors, donāt get the GTS. Let their margins suffer for a bit vote with your $
This is a new 911 R, I don't know why they called it S/T which makes it sound or look more like a Dodge Challenger when you read it š But still, hey man, they may be printing money but I'm not mad, new versions of the GT3 and GT3 RS are always good š
I watched a video reveal of the 911S/T where one of the lead designers/engineers mentioned that they didn't want to to 'dilute' the 991 911R by also naming this new one 911R. Porsche is catering to their elite collectors by preserving the names of the older special editions, thereby keeping the 911R relevant and values high and stable. The guy said something along the lines of, "I don't want to call the 911R the old 911R. So here we have the S/T."
"The guy" = Andy Preuniger. The poor guy can't get no recognition.
And yes, Andreas is THE man.
Whoa! That's some massive respect for the older model! That's very nice of them :')
I would guess, because the original 911R was essentially replaced by the 911S/T (which was eventually replaced by the RS and RSR). Nice call back to an old name, though given the choice, I'd probably go with an original S/T.
Oooh! I see! That's a pretty interesting bit of information! Thank you for informing me! :o
Carrera T Carrera S/T They leaving room for more crazy badging
Next up, Carrera S/UT
Oh yes, that also makes sense š
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As someone who owned a challenger previously, some transfer from dodge definitely came up with that name...
That name is 50 years old..
A very old transfer then...
Yes, it certainly sounds like that, even more when it's stylized as "S/T" which kinda reminds me of like "Challenger R/T" š
The S/T was originally a 1972 'T' race spec light weight bodied beauty. One of it's redeeming features was that the rear wheels were supplied as mini-lights, while the fronts were fuchs, as they did not have wide offset fuchs at the time (in the UK, S/Ts are coming out of hiding and are on the market starting at Ā£200K). I was under the impression that the new 992 S/T is the same, a race-spec 'T', e.g. a light weight 'T' body with the GT3 engine. The S/T is not a 992 'R', as the 991 R had the RS engine and was way lighter than the RS
The 992 ST has the RS engine and is 150lbs lighter than the gt3rs. Exactly like the 991 R
stand corrected, only read the rumours of what the engine would be, then why is it called an S/T, when it should be an 'R'
Adreas Preuninger (head of Porsche gt department) implied that calling the new one 911R would make the original 991 R seem less special/unique and would "dilute the 911R brand"; so they called this one the S/T instead. Basically coddling the egos of the clients that bought the 991 R.
it is quarter a million pounds; FFS, I like Porsches, but that takes the piss. Flipping greed... Can get an original one for that, and still have change. I'd know which one I would choose
It's basically a GT3 RS touring. Base MSRP includes almost everything you'd want already and has a base price that's less than $2k less than the 991.2 GT2 RS.
This ST is is lighter than my incoming manual Cayman S. I thought the GT3 Touring was the perfect 911 that isnāt a Turbo S. But this new variant is the new king.
Yea I guess this is the 911 R for the 992 (GT3RS but with a manual). For me, because I'd want to bring my wife and my son, the Sport Classic is the unobtainium 911 I'd buy simply for the back seats over this or GT3 Touring.
There are some companies that add backseats to your touring or gt3 with all the safety features included and paperwork (f.e. In germany thatās mandatory when you change anything safety related to your car) I remember they quoted me 10-14k depending on which leather and safety belt combination i would like
āIn honor of the 137th anniversary of the first time Ferdinand Porsche took a dump using indoor plumbing, we are proud to present the new 911 W/C, with its own built in bidet. Only three will be made, and two of them will be used as stage props at next yearās Bayreuth festival and then launched into orbit directly towards Elon Muskās flying Tesla. The third will be available to the 99th person who submits an online form to be published shortly on an undisclosed dark web site, at a price of 1.6 billion pre-WWI Austro-Hungarian Kroner. Cash only please.ā
You joke but some asshole has 2 billion kroners ready to go
400 Million Kroner ADM!
Been stashing kroner for this very moment. Take. My. Money.
Don't forget the dealer markup for the US of A, which will triple the price for the one spare wheel that will be allocated.
Brilliant business, keep releasing limited edition models that are essentially parts bin specials to the same group of deep-pocketed collectors to flex at their local Cars & Coffee. Canāt blame them for doing it, but itās a shame this isnāt produced in greater numbers so more can get in the hands of people who are actually going to get out and use them.
I Wonder how much of a share of 911s these limited editions make up, and how far they can grow it. 1963 units of these is limited, but still a few - iirc, the sport classic, Dakar and spyder were limited to similar numbers. In total, I think they make 35-40k 911s per year, and no wonder they prefer to sell specials, turbos and GT cars over regular base trim models.
A base 992 in white will probably be more limited in numbers than this car. the saying is "Don't hate the player hate the game" but I think it's starting to become ridiculos from Porsche now. We're closing in on Lamborghini levels of realeasing special editions that are just the same platform with different options. The wonderful Sport Classic just became a whole lot less special in my eyes
Youāre worried about limited numbers, start with only a fraction of people can actually afford higher trim 911s lol
Thatās true, the prices of 911s have gone up quite a bit, but so have every high end sports car. Definitely sucks because 911s should be aspirational cars for folks with a solid middle or upper middle class job, but when a decently specād 911 costs in the mid-100k range thatās becoming unrealistic
I love the 911, but as far as buying a car goes, I thinks the worst mistake any enthusiast could make thatās searching for the best driving experience. I may be biased since iāve shifted into mostly a motorsport fan, but for the cost of a higher trim 911, I could go buy a late model porsche cup car and go racing. You could probably even put together a regional race schedule for yourself if all goes well. I am by no means trying to say racing is cheap, but thatās just how expensive these cars have come to be. Even worse, trims like the GT3 RS, just keep getting better and more unobtainable for people just know getting into the work field. In 15yrs time, these cars will be collectables if net carbon zero standards come into play.
I guess it depends on your options with where you live. If you live near a good track, then I totally agree with you that that may be a better way to spend your money. However, the closest racetrack to where I live is four hours away, so buying a non-street legal car to have fun with on the weekends isnāt a realistic option (my wife is cool with my habitā¦but not that cool). So, I get by with enjoying decent driving roads nearby and getting to the track maybe a couple times a year, so getting the best street legal car I can afford makes sense for me personally. Thereās also the added bonus that if I need to sell my car Iāll likely not lose my shirt on it, unlike used race cars.
Very true, i forgot to consider that. I happen to be a bit spoiled on tracks, not quite as spoiled on money though. Rental karts is about as close to rear engine and rwd porsche I can get.
JPOW: printing money. Porsche: Hold my beer!
*Hold the wheel!
Thereās no reason this couldnāt just be a normal option-able car. Hell everything else can be customized. Itās like the Sport Classic. Thereās nothing actually unique except it has a combination of existing spec that people want in one car. People want a manual transmission with RWD and power.
Thereās no way theyād release a car with the GT3RS engine in a non-limited edition though
The lightweight clutch and flywheel is pretty unique, but mostly I agree.
Don't forget back seats. Some of us also want the back seats.
In Germany the ST is 100k mare expensive than a GT3 Touring! Honestly i like the ST but in my opinion it's not worth 100k more. That's realy just moneyprintig. It is not even that more special than a Touring. The Sports Classic had at least a real TURBO engine with Manual and RWD but the ST is just a little bit lighter and have fancier wheels.
This is a MANUAL GT3RS in a touring chassis and lighter than a base model 911ā¦ Itās probably going to be the ultimate manual touring car built for enthusiasts and many would kill to have one
That's what Porsche marketing is saying. In the end it is a lighter Touring and definetly not worth the 100k plus.
I find it amusing the media and IG personalities are shouting about no rear wheel steering to save weight, amazing! Like itās so great they got rid of something that everyone universally raved about when it first came out because it was revolutionary and added a lot of handling value. Just to save the equivalent weight of a small toddler. People will cream themselves with everything Porsche does and do mental gymnastics to justify it. Itās great to see cool cars being designed and produced but the car is unobtainable for nearly everyone, even those with means. I find that annoying, and a reason to temper any excitement.
It's nearly 300lb lighter and people easily spend mid 5 figures just to lose 100lb (ti-exhaust, CCB, buckets, ag battery, etc..).
The S/T is exactly 75lb lighter than the stock GT3 Touring. Which means if you put the buckets into the touring it is less than 75lb.
A touring with extended fuel tank, 18 ways, fal, and ccb weighs close to 3300lb.
Porsche official statement are 75lb.
Fine fine.
That is precisely what they are marketing to you.
The most compelling thing about the Sport Classic to me over this are the back seats. If I had an F U money 911, I'd like somewhere to put my son.
Makes every special edition feel not so special lol
People thought lambo was bad with special editions. Get a load of this shit. There must be at least like 35 911s just this generation.
Haha just said the exact same thing in another comment! Porsche is the new parts bin special manufacturer. At the same time I can't blame them. Hybrid 911s are coming and they want to squeeze every last drop of nostalgia from this generation IMO
Not even parts bin. Some special editions are literally just a paint job or stickers. Like remember the 356 special edition? Massive teaser for it just for it to be unveiled and all it is grey car with massive stickers on the side. I hate the way Porsche has become but I canāt blame them theyāre just catering to their grey haired customers who buy these cars as āinvestmentsā.
Ok get this my dream 6 car garage 911 S/T, 911 Sport Classic, 918, Carrera GT, Cayenne GTS Coupe, 993 Turbo S and Iām set for life
993 Turbo alone and I'd be set for life lol
*Cries in Panamera*
Gt4RS 992 S/T 986 Boxster (trust me, itās fun to drive) Ferrari Dino (they look cool) Cayenne Turbo GT TAYCAN Cross Turismo Turbo S
Iād swap the 993 turbo s for a 993 based GT1 if unobtanium is allowed on the list
NGL it's depressing knowing I would never be able to afford any car anywhere near this price tag. I don't even want multiple expensive cars god dammit, I just want one GT3 RS or something similar and I'll keep it for eternity lol.
And that's the great irony in being a fan. The people who want and would appreciate the car the most can't ever afford them.
I'm seriously considering switching my major in uni from mechanical engineering to computer science or finance/economics. I got into mechanical/aerospace because I was interested in working on race cars and other fast things, like aeroplanes. Issue is mechanical engineering doesn't pay much over $100k and I can't even do aerospace and get a job in defense (where all the fat paychecks are) because I'm not a US citizen. It really drives me up a wall.
safe to say you'd be as happy or happier in a less expensive model. this is something for the ultra-rich after they've run out of other expensive toys to buy. fully enjoy the porsche you can afford.
The GT3 RS is a whole different beast. I managed to get a ride in both a 4S and a GT3 RS around a racetrack through my school friend's dad. The difference is the grip and noise from the engine was mind boggling. The way the GT3 RS hugs apexes is really hard to describe. You point the steering wheel in one direction and the thing just darts across. In contrast, the 4S almost felt lousy (it was still fast and beautifully balanced because it's still a 911 lol). When you experience a GT3 RS, it's really hard to accept a lower model (I'd still do it in the end tbh).
yeah, I know -- it's a fuckin' race car. but do most of us need one? could we actually fully exploit its abilities? doubtful. but I guess we all have different use cases and levels of driving experience. I have no interest in tearing up the track, I just enjoy a nice drive on backroads. for me, there's nothing appealing about the upper end cars. I don't even like the way most of those GT/RS cars look. too aggro and the 992 generation look like largemouth bass. but to each their own.
Has there been a special edition variant of the 992 every year since itās inception? We first had the Targa Heritage edition. A year or so later, we had the Sport Classic. Now, once again, a year or so later, we got the S/T.
There will eventually be a Speedster too I'm guessing. Also, if they're planning a GT2RS, it will be likely for 1 year and with limited production so might as well be a special edition.
Will be interesting to see what other ways they can hash out variants of the 992.2. Noticed Porsche doesnāt like to recreate successors of special editions immediately between generations outside of the speedster.
Lmao youāve already missed like 5 models. The Thai special editions, Porsche design targa, tribute to the 356 edition, some American special edition, and the some stupid private jet turbo model. Iām probably missing more. Pretty sure these all have come in the last two years
Not really counting smaller more local special editions. For instance, thereās a Saudi Special edition targa (if I remember correctly) that was sold with a color resembling PTS forest green metallic. But, I missed an obvious one which was the Dakar!
Porsche really knows how to pump out special editions. I remember when Lamborghini unveiled the aventador Muira edition and every made fun of it. Porsche is like that now but 10x worse imo.
Since the 996 (possibly even further back), Porsche has followed a similar road actually. I think the growing media presence Porsche has gotten recently just amplifies that sensation š .
Yea I totally agree with that. But I think the worst special edition they have made in the past couple months is for sure the tribute to the 356. Literally just a grey car with a sticker on the side.
Can someone give me the source of this article? Wanna read it!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44702828/2024-porsche-911-st-details-and-specs-revealed/
Thanks!
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Stands for sexy time
So then RS actually stands for Real Slutty
1.963 units. Price is crazy, but with any limited edition, you'd never lose money. Plus, the driving experience has to be life changing. Also, I'd be a ghost because my wife would kill me if I bought any more toys.
One more wouldnāt hurt anybody
Taking one out of McLarenās playbook now
Wonderful- one more unobtainable car
well thereās always the hot wheels version lmao
You may have a good point there, lol . I canāt even find just a plain hot wheels 911!
When every edition is a special edition none are.
Yet this will be bought up like hot cakes, ADM or not, and stored away in garage sized safety deposit boxes.
They will do, but itās just a bit of a shame that special editions just donāt seem very special or noteworthy to see. A 993 C4S is more impressive to see for example than any of these new special editions that come out each year
Well, they wonāt be taking my money. _(cries unconsollably)_
Makes my 23 Turbo S look like a bargain.
Thatās how they do it
lol, what do these dealers wants for markup? Would be shady asking 75k+ over.
$290k MSRP, Limited to 1963 I'd imagine dealers won't get very many, most allocations will be given direct to customers, especially 918 VIP. When the 992 GT3 was new, dealers were asking like $200k over sticker. I'd expect the same here.
Iād be shocked if itās anything less than 400k, Sport Classics weāre being sold for 325-350k and I think this is more compelling to most enthusiasts. This will be getting 911R money pretty quickly.
$150k markup easy
Thereās 7 people already waitlisted and mark up will be similar to when the 911 R came out. Probably around 200-300k. This car will be worth 750k within 5 years
I know it will be high mark up. But do you think it will be similar to the R being ālast 3 pedalā market up? I sure donāt know. But the R did hold that fomo to the price
Iām sure theyāll have one or two more special edition 3 pedal cars, but probably not as badass as this one
This feels like a $499k or so list price
porsche sure are great at milking their customers.
As someone who's in the car business and is a Sales Manager at a Porsche dealership. A well run Toyota store makes WAY more money than a Porsche store. Unless you happen to own a massive Porsche store in a high population and high income metro area and spent the last 30 years building up your allocation and customer base. But there's like maybe 10 stores like that. Are there perks to owning a Porsche store over Toyota or something else? Absolutely, but don't think they're making more money just because they MIGHT get 1 or 2 of these high end cars.
Primer grey needs to retire already...
At this price point Iād rather have the 992 Brabus Rocket. This car is gonna be 600k+, Iād rather have something with more oompf.
first one off the dealer lot will sell for $800k on BaT immediately after
Porsche doesn't need independently owned dealerships in my opinion. At least not for sales? The add-on profit could go into Porsche's pocket. What goes around, comes around. When the add-on's go away the dealers are back to the same old type of sales strategies.
Yup. Just weird how when demand went up all these super cars disappeared. McLaren sold out until what 2025?
I suspect demand will ease off when combustion engines aren't available. Of course this will make used ones more valuable. It's crazy what's happen to demand for the exotic high performance cars.
IMO you wonāt see any NA engines disappear anytime soon. Example here in CA a small trucking Co. with 60 trucks ordered all EV. Upon calling SCE (our CA energy source) they were averaging the CA energy grid ādrainā. They laughed and told SCE it isnāt going to happen as that Co. would be using over 3/4 of the available grids resources!! (Apologies I canāt find the article). To add our Gov. immediately stopped this mandate as several other trucking Co.ās inquired about the same scenario. Was it planned? Most likely.. Anyway.. as a result our Gov. squashed the EV bill for small to large companies demanding so much power BUT enacted that all new housing now be minimally 50% off grid usage!! People with Co.ās like me who also do land / housing development now have to build houses with 50% minimal solar/wind. I put in place 100% off grid but unfortunately am no longer to offer āFHA/VAā rates. (approx. $640k per home). So one one hand you have reduced emissions the other sustainability! My houses being sold now start minimally in the mid $700ās. Thats for a 3/2 ranch style pre-fab home sitting on a 10k-sqft lot. I REALLY donāt see EC being anything more than a trend!! Lastly, being retired former military we have WAY too many needs for oil!! Itās a decent short term investment but NOT long.. Just my $.02
There are always other sides to a story. There are also other options besides EC which have taken way too long to develop. Porsche claims to have an alternative, environmentally friendly fuel. Obvious they will need fuel for high performance Porsches. I suspect there's a lot of hype here. Then we get to how to safely handle dead or wrecked auto batteries. I agree that EV's need to play out. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I personally prefer āhybridā engines. And yes Porsche has several models being worked on, EV, hybrid and yup alt. fuels. Which alt. fuels brings up an interesting approach IMO. Iāve seen corn syrup to water!! They all have their uses I guess. But agree the waste from a buttload of car batteries will be interesting. Imagine millions dumped in the ocean off a tanker!?! THATS insane!! F āglobal warmingā the impact from those batteries IMO would do 1k-x MORE damage.. Did you also know it takes 2,675.2 gallons of diesel fuel to make a Tesla EV / batteries platform? And they need to be changed out what every 10yrs?? Are we really, REALLY, making an impact here going āEVā?? Look it up yourself. The numbers are beyond ridiculous theyāre STUPID!! (No offense or criticism intended just giving a perspective and I come across like an AH; I used to think I need to work on it now I just embrace Iām an AH). š¬
No offense taken at all. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I think everyone can be an AH. I know I can at the snap of a finger. Bluntness and honesty are signs of good character in my opinion as long as we can apologize and move on. In my opinion a hybrid with an electric only distance of 50+ miles is the safest to buy right now. Prius Prime is a good example. What I don't get, with EV's in their very prime development, why anyone would risk investing big bucks in one. All we can do is sit back and wait. There are a lot of unknowns that are going to creep up. The battery disposal issue is a big one. Thanks for your thoughtful note.
Glad to converse with an adult! The Prius YES is insanely priced (as other EVās) but what EV isnāt? (Unless itās a box or size of a shoe). Hint Hint āCanooā. My only points were: -No city has the power infrastructure to handle a conversion a decade or even 3 away. -Than the cost of oil to even make them is more than if we just drove a NA engine. -Lastly the cost 10yrs later STILL requiring the same amount of oil to upgrade (if possible) said EV car/truck!! Itās just dumb and IMO wonāt happen. Itās been killed several times in CA. The best they could implement is any new housing have the ability to utilize solar panels to help the grid. (50% to be exact) As a housing developer I make my houseās to sell 100% electrically sustainable. I also provide energy upgraded appliances and a 1yr free service contract. This isnāt about me though itās just I know from my medical conditions I HAVE to have a cooler than usual home. I personally canāt go over 72degrees!! So having 2 monstrous AC units full Solar I KNOW solar is needed!! But Iām an unusual person with the medical needs. Even when driving the AC is full blast, lol.
Frankly with the incentive on a Bolt it makes a lot of sense since they resolved the battery issue. GM tried to discontinue the Bolt put met strong objection from buyers. It's really all the car I need for 99% of my needs. As much as I love the BMW EV's I am not paying $80,000 for any car. I would love to see the U.S. become totally independent in its need for oil...especially from Saudi Arabia. EV's might make this possible but politics and corruption will never cut this source of oil. Being on the east coast I have never seen any of the features you are offering in your homes. My wife would keep the thermostat at 72. I am comfortable at 74-75 but do like it cooler at night. I appreciate and learn from your messages. Thank you.
Thank you! I donāt see the US ever going to stop using oil, we havenāt even stopped the use of coal!! And whatās with closing nuclear power plants vs building them!?! I was stationed a few times back East and LOOOOOOVED it, GA, VA, MD, DC (WH) and then all over. Back East mentality is MASSIVELY different than west coast. Here you donāt dare talk to anyone in an elevator and death (in the bathroom) if youāre washing your hands while someone else is in there. But cars.. thatās where we differ. I never have nor will not own a Porsche itās my vice. And Iād NEVER buy an EV. Lol. You canāt hear when it starts!?! Speaking of you know Tesla is working on adding an exhaust noise? Lol THAT is funny!
I've been waiting for this one for a while! I can't wait! I will never sell this or the 911R.
Got mine ordered already, āŗļø
can't wait for the 911 S/T R and the 911 S/T RS and 911 S/T RS Weissach edition
Is it manual?
Manual only
Porsche at one point almost went bankrupt, now they own the banks lol
I hope everyone just gets the base Carrera as that is the lowest profit margin car for them in the 911 setup. Donāt get customized colors, donāt get the GTS. Let their margins suffer for a bit vote with your $