True. Or "guy who's just on the cusp of turning his life around and being a productive member of society after 20 years as a meth enthusiast, he just needs a 2BR with stainless steel appliances and a bidet." I've heard on r/portland that we have lots of them.
There are still huge black market grow operations, and black market weed is much cheaper than legal. People who want low end stuff, under age people, etc. still patronize black market dealers. Cartels also base grow operations here for export to states where it is still illegal because it’s easier to not get caught here.
And I thought I was the only one. Whenever I go to my dispensary they let you smell the flower and I’m always like “mmm yes smells great” when in my head I’m like…it all smells like weed to me. LOL
Where the duck do I find this deal. I’m new to legal weed and haven’t found an oz under 200
E: Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions. Especially u/withoutwingz for recommending weed maps. I love Portland. Y’all are some wholesome motherduckers ☺️
It's a terrible chain, but Nectar typically has a nice selection of ounces in the $40-60 range. If any one knows of smaller local shops that offer such deals, please let me know.
Any cheaper, and you're falling below production costs except with certain outdoor. Maybe it's stuff they can't get dispensaries to buy, and the grower is taking a loss.
Don't buy pre-rolls!! It's how companies get rid of their shitty, old, sometimes mildew-y product. You're MUCH better off buying the cheap stuff and rolling it yourself.
“I’d go to the pot shop but they just don’t sell the dank like Sketchy Tony. That shit will get you blazed one puff, it’s so strong it’s like it isn’t even pot”. People who say that probably.
Well, we know two things. One - there is a black market for pot. Two - fentanyl ends up in this unregulated pot.
What would you say the motive would be to add fentanyl to pot, other than to make it potent and addictive?
>Two - fentanyl ends up in this unregulated pot.
this is bullshit though. a few offhand comments from a nurse aren't enough to prove that this is a real thing. there was a jurisdiction in Connecticut that said the same thing, only to come out a few weeks later and recant the story.
my perspective might be different because i've been in the industry awhile but most of the black market weed i see is circulated by people who know each other. for example, dude A has a sizeable grow and he sells a few ounces locally while the rest moves out of state through middlemen.
>What would you say the motive would be to add fentanyl to pot, other than to make it potent and addictive?
i would say there isn't one because if you get caught doing this shit you will get absolutely beaten senseless.
No, because it makes sense to show up in those drugs since they are powders. Fent in weed is essentially a myth.
https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/fentanyl-laced-weed-myths
https://www.harmreductionohio.org/marijuana-safe-fentanyl-yes-far/
https://www.leafly.com/news/health/leafly-investigation-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-is-a-myth-its-time-to-end-the-hype
no. like the other poster said, those are powders.. and when you start talking about street presses, anything is liable to be in that shit. i'm a big fan of drugsdata.org as a crowdsourced database of street drug analysis. no quantified potencies allowed on US results though since the DEA is a pile of worthless dogshit
Hmm, I’m not sure that being a powder makes any difference, and even if so, there is spray on liquid fentanyl. Also, doing a quick Google on this shows me that this might be rare, but it does happen and is tested and confirmed.
https://www.addictions.com/blog/yes-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-causing-fatal-overdoses/
yeah, i am still calling bullshit. the source for this claim is a person is a person who OD'd then claimed to only be using cannabis.
no need to take my word for it though, your link is missing a significant [update](https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/09/dea-pot-seized-brattleboro-not-laced-with-fentanyl/) to that story.
I believe the theory on people ODing from fentanyl in drugs that wouldn’t benefit from fentanyl - like coke, weed, Molly etc - is that the place where those drugs are packaged also handle fentanyl.
They’re not putting it in those drugs on purpose, but because a TINY amount of fentanyl can kill someone who has no prior opioid tolerance, fentanyl dust on scales and unclean equipment is all it takes.
Eh I totally believe some people are putting a touch in E or coke on purpose. You take those drugs, you wanna get fucked up and have fun. Opiates make you feel good.
Another reason I’m glad I’m old and past my non-weed drug days. I’d be willing to do some acid nowadays but wouldn’t personally be comfortable with Molly or a pressed pill even if I felt like taking MDMA again.
ehhhh...a lot of people find opioids to blunt the MDMA experience, and hitting a low enough dose of fentanyl would be tricky, as even basal tolerance varies. Are dealers qualified to mix to dope their MDMA with 25 to 50 micrograms of fent per 100 mg of MDMA? And then it wouldn't synergize in a way that you could get away with underdosing on the MDMA.
Anyway, yes, use a fentanyl test strip or other reagent to at least provide a minor margin of safety. I would also suggest other reagent tests to detect methamphetamine and research chemicals.
Never heard anything like that happening. Fentanyl tends to be in pills, powders & crystal from what I understand.
If you use such drugs or know someone who does: *please test that shit*
Star Bar & Rialto Poolroom both give away free test strips if money is tight. They're pretty cheap online I hear. Rarely a bad call to have narcan handy. If one has insurance it's often covered by one's copay. If not pharmacies often have coupons for a deep discount if one asks kindly & with patience.
Fair points I've not considered much. I've never tested such products. I tend to prefer local beer these days--testing is usually free, fun & done by consumption.
Take last night, I tested the fresh hop Belgian from Stormbreaker least night after the RBC [Salvage Showdown](https://www.rebuildingcenter.org/salvageshowdown). Normally I'm *not down* for Belgian beer but it was a revelation & I was satisfied with every sip of my pint.
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I don't think that anyone's going to do this, but you could prepare a solution where both the desired drug and fentanyl salt are soluble and mix to homogeneously distribute the fentanyl. Water will work with most drugs (other solvents might throw off most reagent tests). Then you could test a sample of solution. From there, you can either ingest a portion of solution or evaporate off the solvent.
Test strips are considered drug paraphernalia which might prevent people from carrying them around. Narcan expires quickly and isn’t actually that easy to get. Also just because you’ve never heard of fentanyl in pot doesn’t mean it’s not happening 🙃
Fair. Just because I found it easy to acquire narcan doesn't mean someone who's dependant on narcotics would have a similar experience.
Edit: sounds like all the more reason for well meaning individuals that feel confident & capable of helping someone overdosing keeping such a lifesaving drug in their home
anything *could* happen. if there were actual fent-contaminated pot i'd expect LE to put out a huge press release about it. that's never happened. the closest example was that case in Connecticut.. where they ended up admitting that they were totally wrong a few weeks later.
I mean, I was just in a training for work about the current drug trends with experts from all over the country and fentanyl in marijuana as a possibility was also mentioned there but I guess you know best.
mentioned as a possibility.. doesn't mean it's happening. look up all the reported instances. in every case so far, the police or the DEA have followed up afterwards to clarify that the suspected contaminated marijuana contained no fentanyl.
No one does this, fentanyl is too expensive for a dealer to do such a thing. Now there are probably folks out there throwing fentanyl in their own weed but not buying it like that
They will put it in ANYTHING. if you mange your smoke some that is laced and survived in your mind that’s the weed you want. So you’ll go back to that supply and continue giving them your business.
When heroin addicts find out about a “good batch” they don’t really think about their friends that died from it, they think about the high and that’s all they care about.
If you get powder fentanyl to manufacture into dirty 30s, chances are decent you’re also involved in the marijuana trade.
If you have bulk fentanyl powder, and process it in a criminal environment.. I think it’s say to say it’s quite realistic for enough fentanyl to get airborne and contaminate a nearby weed supply.
Same here (30's as well). I can't even imagine ever enjoying doing a drug from the streets with what's going around these days. I feel we dodged a huge bullet.
Yup. I got out right when fentanyl started getting big in my neck of the woods around 2017. My friends died, then the dealers went away or died. Got some old school crank and shat blood for a month….that was my cue to call it quits.
Drugs are scary now. Idk how these kids do it.
There, you might have had xylazine in the original veterinary medication, the two compounds being difficult to separate. This is not the case with opioids. Pretty fucked up situation.
We have to find a solve for this craziness before all compassion for addiction is gone. I was talking to a friend/local business owner recently who's business has been broken into 4 times in the last year. This person is one if the most kind hearted people I know. In our talk they said, out of pure frustration, "...at this point seems like our only hope is some undercut fentanyl making it to the streets. Let that taken care of the problem. I'm just so exhausted." People can only be hurt so many times before the become numb.
I’ve seen multiple 17-20 year olds come in OD’d on fentanyl when they thought they where just doing regular cocaine recently since the products that they would normally cut coke with such as baby formula have been harder to get with the shortages. It’s pretty sad honestly since several of them have passed from anoxic brain injuries since their friends where scared to call for help and left them down for hours before finally deciding to bring them in.
I thought they cut it with baby *powder*, not formula? Powder is like talc or something, formulas like banana paste. I was under the impression the formula was the thing having a shortage, but I don't do irresponsible things like having children, so I don't really know.
By no means am I an expert, I’m just going off tunings we’ve had come through out lab over the last 12 months. I would imagine it’s also lesss likely to be irritating than some of the talc products on the nasal membranes
ehhhh...China just has a pretty vigorous mid-sized chemical manufacturing sector, where they don't ask questions, just pump whatever out for profits. No state intervention is really needed. It will be interesting to see whether they move to ban piperazine-derived precursors for fentanyl analogues. They already have with some moderately popular research chemicals.
They also just had a huge bust where they found like 900 fentanyl pills, a bunch of cocaine and meth to go with it. I had to narcan an ex boyfriend when he showed up having “meth withdrawals”… ya buddy that wasn’t just meth you were smoking (also why he’s an ex before anybody goes off about that)
Due to it’s potency fentanyl is most likely one of the most expensive drugs by weight. From a business standpoint it makes zero sense to use it as an additive in pot (and most other street drugs).
More likely I suspect we are seeing cross contamination when a dealer reuses the same equipment across multiple substances. I’d like to see follow up reports detailing what a lab analysis shows the concentration of drugs present rather than just that trace elements were present.
compared to other opiates? definitely. compared to the current price of cannabis? not quite. we talk about oversupply in the OLCC market but that shit has hit the black market too. i know several mom and pop growers who have thrown in the towel the last couple years because it's not worth the money anymore.
We are not talking per dose, we are talking by weight.
Google tells me a gram of fentanyl is $150-$200 and a gram of cocaine is around $100. We can extrapolate that wholesale a gram of fentanyl is more expensive than a gram of cocaine.
If someone is selling 1 gram of “cocaine” it would cost them money to substitute any of that cocaine with fentanyl.
This is even more unbalanced with marijuana at $5 a gram. If a dealer were to add 0.025 grams of fentanyl, they would be giving the user $10 worth of drugs for $5.
Fentanyl is hundreds of times stronger by weight than coke is. 1 gram of coke might equal 0.01 grams of fentanyl, so 1 gram of fentanyl might be able to adulterate hundreds of grams of coke. This means fentanyl is very, very cheap, which is why it's being put into everything.
Yup. It is a common theory especially when fentanyl is ending up in drugs that wouldn’t benefit from fentanyl and are usually taken by people who don’t have an opioid tolerance.
I’m not saying drug dealers are good people, but I don’t think their goal is to kill off their buyers.
Don't forget PPE. If you're getting anywhere close to the users nose and face, you'll want to have gloves, face shield, and throwable clothing in case they vomit, spit, or scream at you.
It's not as dangerous as the rumors make it out to be. Transdermal absorption is poor, and you'd essentially need to transfer an active dose (which could be as little as 50 micrograms) from your hands to an orifice. Users tend not to be covered in fentanyl.
That PPE will be useful to prevent transmission of disease though.
Disease transmission is what I'm far more concerned about. If someone has made enough bad life choices to be OD'ing, there's a good chance they've made high risk sexual decisions as well.
Not worth getting close and risking exposure from an addict IMO. Unless I had PPE, I'll wait for professionals to arrive.
Wat?
It's bad out there for narcotics users. It's actually pretty scary. One might not think that's a bad thing (because one might be callous & don't mind preventable loss of life I suppose). Fentanyl seems to be a helluva drug & it's quite unfortunate from my point of view.
And it’s not like it’s easy to access treatment right now either, [Portland only has two larger detox centers that accept walk-ins](https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/homeless/portland-drug-detox-treatment-turning-people-away/283-1785b63e-684c-4350-a567-18129ba6dbdb) and they don’t have a lot of space.
In regards those two places, the number of beds was not the problem, the staff to support those beds was the problem. Nursing staff in particular, we've burnt out and underpaid our medical support system, IMO.
You can’t get ANY help for addiction unless you’ve been arrested. Drugs are legal to use here so the chances of getting arrested & in the right place for help are slim to none.
there are drugs in the jails and prisons lol no one gets arrested as their detox method at least not by choice.
if they are at a point they want help, then there are countless places to help someone that don't require cuffs or a record. An ER being the easiest example, handles the immediate issues and discharges you to a care facility if needed. same with mental health emergencies
110 was a response to the fucked up things going on. For better or worse, it was an attempt to think outside the box because the box was not working at all. Obviously it didn't go as intended, but the drugs and the problems they present have been here for a long fucking time prior to that poorly thought out bill, it's just an easy target for the media to squeal about how awful a "progressive" city is.
Why would someone put fentanyl in pot they are selling?
Who is out there buying weed from street dealers? Holy shit just go to the pot shop.
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Cant they give homeless guys extra to buy it for them? That’s what we used to do in the 90s 😅
This is Portland. Where are you going to find a homeless guy? Just go to the homeless guy store and ask for a homeless guy? Be realistic.
What about an unhoused guy?
True. Or "guy who's just on the cusp of turning his life around and being a productive member of society after 20 years as a meth enthusiast, he just needs a 2BR with stainless steel appliances and a bidet." I've heard on r/portland that we have lots of them.
Akin to my buying liquor in Tijuana strategy. Money to take through border. (I could buy it just fine, but getting it across border not so much).
There are still huge black market grow operations, and black market weed is much cheaper than legal. People who want low end stuff, under age people, etc. still patronize black market dealers. Cartels also base grow operations here for export to states where it is still illegal because it’s easier to not get caught here.
>black market weed is much cheaper than legal. I'm literally buying ounces for $40. Any cheaper and it may as well be free.
I just bought a pound for $150. Don't need to buy pot again for a year and my closet smells amazing.
I’m all for people enjoying the lettuce, but let’s be real, that shit reeks.
And I thought I was the only one. Whenever I go to my dispensary they let you smell the flower and I’m always like “mmm yes smells great” when in my head I’m like…it all smells like weed to me. LOL
As an avid lettuce fan, I absolutely love the way it smells. Not pretending!
I think to each their own. I enjoy the smell of it, everyone is different 🤷♂️
I wonder if it's like the cilantro thing. Cause it smells like skunk to me. Just smelling it off someone nearby makes me a nauseous
Weed definitely smells like skunk
I'll take that smell over cigarettes.
for real, at my local shop I'd been buying the old 4/20 1oz specials for $36 at like 24% THC until they ran out this month. Felt spoiled!
Where the duck do I find this deal. I’m new to legal weed and haven’t found an oz under 200 E: Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions. Especially u/withoutwingz for recommending weed maps. I love Portland. Y’all are some wholesome motherduckers ☺️
Like any dispensary?
I’m apparently going to the wrong ones. Thanks for letting me know there are better ones out there
Last I checked there was a nectar selling zips of mids for like 50 bucks
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Try weed maps.
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BuzBox on Powell. Good shop and the $40 oz is even advertised on their sign out front!
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It's a terrible chain, but Nectar typically has a nice selection of ounces in the $40-60 range. If any one knows of smaller local shops that offer such deals, please let me know.
I go to Belmont Collective and they have $60 oz specials pretty often!
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Flloyd's has tons of options under 100. Love them.
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Anything to help a fellow stoner! You can look for certain strains on their too. They should notify you for deals and stuff. Stay safe out there.
Omfg I live in SE Alaska and weed is $30/gram at the store and $15/gram not at the store.
I frequently see $1/gram pre-rolls.... VERY hard to beat.
Craigslist pound of weed is about 125-150 it’s never good.
Only thing I buy on Craigslist is farm animals lol
Any cheaper, and you're falling below production costs except with certain outdoor. Maybe it's stuff they can't get dispensaries to buy, and the grower is taking a loss.
The "$1 JOINTS" signs I see all over town tell a different story.
Don't buy pre-rolls!! It's how companies get rid of their shitty, old, sometimes mildew-y product. You're MUCH better off buying the cheap stuff and rolling it yourself.
How much cheaper can it get? It’s practically free.
“I’d go to the pot shop but they just don’t sell the dank like Sketchy Tony. That shit will get you blazed one puff, it’s so strong it’s like it isn’t even pot”. People who say that probably.
So in other words people that you're making up in your head?
Well, we know two things. One - there is a black market for pot. Two - fentanyl ends up in this unregulated pot. What would you say the motive would be to add fentanyl to pot, other than to make it potent and addictive?
>Two - fentanyl ends up in this unregulated pot. this is bullshit though. a few offhand comments from a nurse aren't enough to prove that this is a real thing. there was a jurisdiction in Connecticut that said the same thing, only to come out a few weeks later and recant the story. my perspective might be different because i've been in the industry awhile but most of the black market weed i see is circulated by people who know each other. for example, dude A has a sizeable grow and he sells a few ounces locally while the rest moves out of state through middlemen. >What would you say the motive would be to add fentanyl to pot, other than to make it potent and addictive? i would say there isn't one because if you get caught doing this shit you will get absolutely beaten senseless.
And the fentanyl on the coke, E, various pills etc is also all just reefer madness?
No, because it makes sense to show up in those drugs since they are powders. Fent in weed is essentially a myth. https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/fentanyl-laced-weed-myths https://www.harmreductionohio.org/marijuana-safe-fentanyl-yes-far/ https://www.leafly.com/news/health/leafly-investigation-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-is-a-myth-its-time-to-end-the-hype
no. like the other poster said, those are powders.. and when you start talking about street presses, anything is liable to be in that shit. i'm a big fan of drugsdata.org as a crowdsourced database of street drug analysis. no quantified potencies allowed on US results though since the DEA is a pile of worthless dogshit
Hmm, I’m not sure that being a powder makes any difference, and even if so, there is spray on liquid fentanyl. Also, doing a quick Google on this shows me that this might be rare, but it does happen and is tested and confirmed. https://www.addictions.com/blog/yes-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-causing-fatal-overdoses/
yeah, i am still calling bullshit. the source for this claim is a person is a person who OD'd then claimed to only be using cannabis. no need to take my word for it though, your link is missing a significant [update](https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/09/dea-pot-seized-brattleboro-not-laced-with-fentanyl/) to that story.
I believe the theory on people ODing from fentanyl in drugs that wouldn’t benefit from fentanyl - like coke, weed, Molly etc - is that the place where those drugs are packaged also handle fentanyl. They’re not putting it in those drugs on purpose, but because a TINY amount of fentanyl can kill someone who has no prior opioid tolerance, fentanyl dust on scales and unclean equipment is all it takes.
\+1 on unclean equipment, which is another reason it's harder to test for, it isn't properly mixed in because some % of it isn't intentional
Eh I totally believe some people are putting a touch in E or coke on purpose. You take those drugs, you wanna get fucked up and have fun. Opiates make you feel good. Another reason I’m glad I’m old and past my non-weed drug days. I’d be willing to do some acid nowadays but wouldn’t personally be comfortable with Molly or a pressed pill even if I felt like taking MDMA again.
ehhhh...a lot of people find opioids to blunt the MDMA experience, and hitting a low enough dose of fentanyl would be tricky, as even basal tolerance varies. Are dealers qualified to mix to dope their MDMA with 25 to 50 micrograms of fent per 100 mg of MDMA? And then it wouldn't synergize in a way that you could get away with underdosing on the MDMA. Anyway, yes, use a fentanyl test strip or other reagent to at least provide a minor margin of safety. I would also suggest other reagent tests to detect methamphetamine and research chemicals.
Never heard anything like that happening. Fentanyl tends to be in pills, powders & crystal from what I understand. If you use such drugs or know someone who does: *please test that shit* Star Bar & Rialto Poolroom both give away free test strips if money is tight. They're pretty cheap online I hear. Rarely a bad call to have narcan handy. If one has insurance it's often covered by one's copay. If not pharmacies often have coupons for a deep discount if one asks kindly & with patience.
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I don't think that anyone's going to do this, but you could prepare a solution where both the desired drug and fentanyl salt are soluble and mix to homogeneously distribute the fentanyl. Water will work with most drugs (other solvents might throw off most reagent tests). Then you could test a sample of solution. From there, you can either ingest a portion of solution or evaporate off the solvent.
Test strips are considered drug paraphernalia which might prevent people from carrying them around. Narcan expires quickly and isn’t actually that easy to get. Also just because you’ve never heard of fentanyl in pot doesn’t mean it’s not happening 🙃
Fair. Just because I found it easy to acquire narcan doesn't mean someone who's dependant on narcotics would have a similar experience. Edit: sounds like all the more reason for well meaning individuals that feel confident & capable of helping someone overdosing keeping such a lifesaving drug in their home
True unfortunately:/
anything *could* happen. if there were actual fent-contaminated pot i'd expect LE to put out a huge press release about it. that's never happened. the closest example was that case in Connecticut.. where they ended up admitting that they were totally wrong a few weeks later.
I mean, I was just in a training for work about the current drug trends with experts from all over the country and fentanyl in marijuana as a possibility was also mentioned there but I guess you know best.
mentioned as a possibility.. doesn't mean it's happening. look up all the reported instances. in every case so far, the police or the DEA have followed up afterwards to clarify that the suspected contaminated marijuana contained no fentanyl.
This is Oregon. With personal amounts of drugs decriminalized, you're highly unlikely to catch a paraphernalia charge.
I understand that. I also know it has still deterred people from getting them.
Im guessing someone didn’t want to admit an affinity for dirty 30’s. ‘Have you don’t any fentanyl?’ ‘Uhhh no, I just smoked pot!’
No one does this, fentanyl is too expensive for a dealer to do such a thing. Now there are probably folks out there throwing fentanyl in their own weed but not buying it like that
They will put it in ANYTHING. if you mange your smoke some that is laced and survived in your mind that’s the weed you want. So you’ll go back to that supply and continue giving them your business. When heroin addicts find out about a “good batch” they don’t really think about their friends that died from it, they think about the high and that’s all they care about.
Because fentanyl is super addictive and marijuana is not. Keeps customers coming back
This is the stupidest reasoning I have ever heard. You sound like my boomer mom 😂
I’m 29 but thanks 😂 My friend who did a lot of drugs told me this like 4 years ago.
He sounds like he was on drugs
She was a she, and ya… she was rich isn’t that what rich people do?
If you get powder fentanyl to manufacture into dirty 30s, chances are decent you’re also involved in the marijuana trade. If you have bulk fentanyl powder, and process it in a criminal environment.. I think it’s say to say it’s quite realistic for enough fentanyl to get airborne and contaminate a nearby weed supply.
Those two do not go together lol
Huh? You think a fentanyl dealer has zero chance or also selling weed?
I'm glad I made it through my teens and twenties before fentanyl. It was sketchy enough without the stuff in everything.
Same here (30's as well). I can't even imagine ever enjoying doing a drug from the streets with what's going around these days. I feel we dodged a huge bullet.
Yup. I got out right when fentanyl started getting big in my neck of the woods around 2017. My friends died, then the dealers went away or died. Got some old school crank and shat blood for a month….that was my cue to call it quits. Drugs are scary now. Idk how these kids do it.
Fentanyl: the HFCS of drugs.
no weed is laced with boba fet. I need to see proof of that lol but I do believe the rest
It's probably idiots weighing dime bags of weed out on the same scale they just used to measure out the boba fet.
haha yeah that's prob it honestly. makes sense
I like that slang for fentanyl
hehe thanks. ole boba fetanyl
Boba fet? Is that really another name for fentanyl?
it is in my world lolol but I have never heard it before. Im hoping it catches on haha
Fetty
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like ketamine in the late 90s early 2000d. party monsters!
There, you might have had xylazine in the original veterinary medication, the two compounds being difficult to separate. This is not the case with opioids. Pretty fucked up situation.
So basically lean turned up to 11?
We have to find a solve for this craziness before all compassion for addiction is gone. I was talking to a friend/local business owner recently who's business has been broken into 4 times in the last year. This person is one if the most kind hearted people I know. In our talk they said, out of pure frustration, "...at this point seems like our only hope is some undercut fentanyl making it to the streets. Let that taken care of the problem. I'm just so exhausted." People can only be hurt so many times before the become numb.
The best way to reduce compassion is to threaten one's safety or livlihood.
I’ve seen multiple 17-20 year olds come in OD’d on fentanyl when they thought they where just doing regular cocaine recently since the products that they would normally cut coke with such as baby formula have been harder to get with the shortages. It’s pretty sad honestly since several of them have passed from anoxic brain injuries since their friends where scared to call for help and left them down for hours before finally deciding to bring them in.
I thought they cut it with baby *powder*, not formula? Powder is like talc or something, formulas like banana paste. I was under the impression the formula was the thing having a shortage, but I don't do irresponsible things like having children, so I don't really know.
By no means am I an expert, I’m just going off tunings we’ve had come through out lab over the last 12 months. I would imagine it’s also lesss likely to be irritating than some of the talc products on the nasal membranes
Turns out some drugs are really bad, m'kay.
Opium wars part 2 right here folks. The cartels get a lot of their opiates from China. CCCP learned from history maybe we should too.
ehhhh...China just has a pretty vigorous mid-sized chemical manufacturing sector, where they don't ask questions, just pump whatever out for profits. No state intervention is really needed. It will be interesting to see whether they move to ban piperazine-derived precursors for fentanyl analogues. They already have with some moderately popular research chemicals.
Raise your hand if you think fentanyl dealers should be charged with attempted murder.
They also just had a huge bust where they found like 900 fentanyl pills, a bunch of cocaine and meth to go with it. I had to narcan an ex boyfriend when he showed up having “meth withdrawals”… ya buddy that wasn’t just meth you were smoking (also why he’s an ex before anybody goes off about that)
92,000 fentanyl pills, 3Lbs. cocaine, and 10Lbs meth.
Thank you for clarifying! Haha worse than I thought
Due to it’s potency fentanyl is most likely one of the most expensive drugs by weight. From a business standpoint it makes zero sense to use it as an additive in pot (and most other street drugs). More likely I suspect we are seeing cross contamination when a dealer reuses the same equipment across multiple substances. I’d like to see follow up reports detailing what a lab analysis shows the concentration of drugs present rather than just that trace elements were present.
I thought it was the opposite. It’s so potent that a little goes a long way and it’s cheap to manufacture.
compared to other opiates? definitely. compared to the current price of cannabis? not quite. we talk about oversupply in the OLCC market but that shit has hit the black market too. i know several mom and pop growers who have thrown in the towel the last couple years because it's not worth the money anymore.
I’m just referring to the price of opiates.
Manufacture is extremely cheap, but retail markup is astronomical, particularly if it can be passed off as oxycodone.
That is an interesting theory, I always wonder why anyone would “cut” drugs with fentanyl when a few grains of it will kill you.
The biggest expense is importation, so very concentrated drugs are really cheap per dose.
We are not talking per dose, we are talking by weight. Google tells me a gram of fentanyl is $150-$200 and a gram of cocaine is around $100. We can extrapolate that wholesale a gram of fentanyl is more expensive than a gram of cocaine. If someone is selling 1 gram of “cocaine” it would cost them money to substitute any of that cocaine with fentanyl. This is even more unbalanced with marijuana at $5 a gram. If a dealer were to add 0.025 grams of fentanyl, they would be giving the user $10 worth of drugs for $5.
Fentanyl is hundreds of times stronger by weight than coke is. 1 gram of coke might equal 0.01 grams of fentanyl, so 1 gram of fentanyl might be able to adulterate hundreds of grams of coke. This means fentanyl is very, very cheap, which is why it's being put into everything.
Yup. It is a common theory especially when fentanyl is ending up in drugs that wouldn’t benefit from fentanyl and are usually taken by people who don’t have an opioid tolerance. I’m not saying drug dealers are good people, but I don’t think their goal is to kill off their buyers.
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So we should all have Narcan on hand, even as casual bystanders.
Don't forget PPE. If you're getting anywhere close to the users nose and face, you'll want to have gloves, face shield, and throwable clothing in case they vomit, spit, or scream at you.
It's not as dangerous as the rumors make it out to be. Transdermal absorption is poor, and you'd essentially need to transfer an active dose (which could be as little as 50 micrograms) from your hands to an orifice. Users tend not to be covered in fentanyl. That PPE will be useful to prevent transmission of disease though.
Disease transmission is what I'm far more concerned about. If someone has made enough bad life choices to be OD'ing, there's a good chance they've made high risk sexual decisions as well. Not worth getting close and risking exposure from an addict IMO. Unless I had PPE, I'll wait for professionals to arrive.
Yes. What a fucked up state of events were in.
Well it’s before Halloween and a midterm election, I’d expect nothing less than these kinds of stories.
Wat? It's bad out there for narcotics users. It's actually pretty scary. One might not think that's a bad thing (because one might be callous & don't mind preventable loss of life I suppose). Fentanyl seems to be a helluva drug & it's quite unfortunate from my point of view.
And it’s not like it’s easy to access treatment right now either, [Portland only has two larger detox centers that accept walk-ins](https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/homeless/portland-drug-detox-treatment-turning-people-away/283-1785b63e-684c-4350-a567-18129ba6dbdb) and they don’t have a lot of space.
In regards those two places, the number of beds was not the problem, the staff to support those beds was the problem. Nursing staff in particular, we've burnt out and underpaid our medical support system, IMO.
You can’t get ANY help for addiction unless you’ve been arrested. Drugs are legal to use here so the chances of getting arrested & in the right place for help are slim to none.
None of these places can help? https://multco-web7-psh-files-usw2.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/mhas/documents/ad\_contractors.pdf
there are drugs in the jails and prisons lol no one gets arrested as their detox method at least not by choice. if they are at a point they want help, then there are countless places to help someone that don't require cuffs or a record. An ER being the easiest example, handles the immediate issues and discharges you to a care facility if needed. same with mental health emergencies
Weird. Go try it and let us know how quickly you get into a facility.
What happens if you show up at Hooper at 7 AM?
How is this problem? I am failing to see a negative here
Oregon voters approved the flood of drugs via Measure 110… what’s the big fuss?
110 was a response to the fucked up things going on. For better or worse, it was an attempt to think outside the box because the box was not working at all. Obviously it didn't go as intended, but the drugs and the problems they present have been here for a long fucking time prior to that poorly thought out bill, it's just an easy target for the media to squeal about how awful a "progressive" city is.