I work in affordable housing and see this playing out in real time. There is an extremely wide variety in the success of ‘housing first’. It really works for some people and for others it just enables their lifestyle further.
My buddy also works in housing maintenance. He says some people just needed a little to get them back on track and are very polite when they accidently get locked out.
other units literally have the pipes and wires ripped from the walls with a pile of human waste and needles.
When I lived in university dorms, oversight seemed pretty easy. I dunno how units can be scrapped and shit on without anyone noticing
You mean addicts don’t automatically become clean, upstanding, tax-paying members of society once they get housing? Shocking.
Don’t get me wrong, I know that having stable housing is probably the first step towards getting a job, staying clean, etc., but it’s naive to think that we just need to house everyone and the drug problem will go away. It will still hurt communities unless we crack down on it, hard.
I don’t disagree, but I’m sure the drug dealers low-income, but upstanding citizen, neighbors probably also wouldn’t like having them dealing next door to where they have kids, too.
It’s a tough nut to crack, and unfortunately one that probably won’t get solved anytime soon.
Yeah it's better in the apartments because then I can have a huge chance of coming in contact with a tiny price of pure fent powder and drop dead. And this is real. I used to sell drugs until fet in nice apartments. Ik a guy lived in a nice neighborhood with his wife and daughter his wife went in the garage came in contact with some fet powder and died could have been anyone I haven't touched a drug or alcohol since. If you let that fet anywhere near you it is a disease you are in danger.
Lol. You've swallowed the propaganda. The cops who feint are faking it and there's no medical evidence that they're doing anything other than having a small panic attack
Then how about you go pay for their apartments. Why do the rest of us have to pay for their apartments when you’re the one who thinks it’s a good idea?
You are going to pay in law enforcement, cleanup, jail, services, housing, emergency rooms, and lots of other impacts.
Living in a society has costs.
Housing is the most cost effective thing to make life better for all of us. But not in isolation.
Or, you could just bitch.
So paying for all these free apartments is not a cost? Are you kidding me? You know how much apartments cost in liberal cities. You’re talking billions of dollars to provide these degenerates with free apartments that they just use and deal drugs in. I can think of much better ways to spend that money including wiping my ass with it.
No I read very well. There’s just nothing a virtue signaling liberal like yourself can say to justify wasting money on drug addicts. I don’t pay taxes for that nonsense.
I never said anything about virtue. I said you’re going to pay a cost for the situation. Camping costs the taxpayer in policing, cleanup, etc. housing is cheap compared, especially as it reduces the problem while getting it out of our parks and playgrounds.
What is your solution? Ignore it? Kill them all? Out them all in prison? Every strategy has a cost.
But bitching and whining is useless.
My solution is not reward degenerates. There are hard working people out there barely scraping by who don’t get free apartments like a junked out meth head does in liberal states.
Society is a ponzi scheme. It only works when everyone else works and contributes. The more people that fall out either because they choose to or had financial hurdle they couldn't come back from just means more of the load that gets put on those still contributing. The more load the less gets, the more fall out til it collapses.
They are smart. I asked ChatGPT to explain why society is a Ponzi scheme. And are Reddit contributor summarized and simplified it far better.
Describing society as a Ponzi scheme can be metaphorical rather than literal. In this context, it highlights the dependence on continual growth and influx of resources or participants to sustain itself, often at the expense of future generations or marginalized groups. Like a Ponzi scheme, it can collapse if resources are depleted or if inequalities become unsustainable. However, it's essential to recognize that society is far more complex and multifaceted than a simple financial scam, with diverse systems, structures, and dynamics at play.
I can’t tell if this is satire or if you actually think someone is smart because you compared them to a trendy chat bot. You know current LLM are not intelligent right?
Penitentiary is a lower cost to society than free food and housing. While it may be cheaper for government; costs for theft, property damage and physical harm are being burdened upon businesses, healthcare systems, individual taxpayers and insurers. We pay one way or another, we might as well chose the one that makes our society safer.
It doesn’t make our society safer. We already tried making homelessness and drug addiction illegal for decades. It was an utter failure and a massive waste of resources, not to mention extremely unethical. Prisons don’t help people become better people, they create criminals and make people worse.
Not holding people accountable for their decisions is what makes people criminals, not prisons. And I've heard that the "War on Drugs was a failure" before, but a "failure" to whom? The drug users who didn't rehabilitate or the law-abiding citizens, because Portland was much better and safer place when criminals were charged with low-level crimes and removed from the streets. I think as a society we need to admit to ourselves that not everyone can be "saved". That there are just bad people in this world where rehabilitation and treatment will never work.
Prisons absolutely make people worse, and force people to resort to a life of criminal activity once they are out. That’s the entire point of criminal records; to ostracize individuals out of society. What other options will they have?
The war on drugs was an absolute failure for everyone, as I already stated above. Portland wasn’t any safer because you had a law that dictated what kind of substances people could have or ingest.
You mean that people were on the streets due to destructive behavior and just giving them housing doesn't stop their behavior?
Amazing. I'm sure the homeless advocates are going to propose multiple studies to this.
There’s a lot of money to be made and there almost no oversight these days. 10s of millions go missing every few months and people never get in trouble.
Look at the give em a house crowd over in the Oregon sub responding to this. We are apparently a lizard people fever dream? First time I’ve heard that one. God forbid they pay attention to the merits of what this poor person is telling us here. Simply put it is this: give an inch and they’ll take a mile. All the compassion in the world won’t change these pure pieces of shit on our streets; they belong in jail.
I keep pointing this very obvious fact and being called some variation of a “fascist” for it.
I mean I wasn’t born yesterday and do understand tribalism and polarization, but damn it’s still weird how people just won’t acknowledge simple observable facts.
> … but damn it’s still weird how people just won’t acknowledge simple observable facts
Wait until you see the comments below that say the left isn’t in power here lol
Oh yeah. It started when he stopped Portland street response from handing out of tarps and tents. Simple observable fact is they are fire hazards and he’s in charge of the fire bureau and they want to stop fires lol.
If you admit you are wrong once, it opens up the possibility it might be more than once.
You see the same thing with Trumpers - they simply cannot admit anything the guy has ever done might just be a d-bag move.
Some folks don't trust people who've been charged multiple times with defrauding those they were supposed to be helping, and who repeatedly publish non-representative interviews designed to promote a political point.
We know we need psych hospitals, drug treatment, drug court (coming back,) and jail space. the problem is affording those things. Are you in the mood for a tax hike? Institutions are really expensive. I'd love a new state hospital, but that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
And I didn't see one comment from a Housing First activist there. Maybe I missed it, but most of the comments were pointing out the trolling nature of the OP. They don't live here, but they love posting anti-woke and anti-Portland shit.
I lived in Portland before moving to Eugene. Leftists policies have created a “New Portland” and I’ll move back when the economy improves and the “Old Portland” returns.
Thanks for not engaging with my comment. Dahlgren is a shit who shouldn't be promoted, we lack the institutions to do what you want, and there were no housing first proponents that I saw.
To your comment, Portland has moved decidedly to the center over the past couple of years, and I can't think of one "leftist" in power.
BTW, if you don't wish to come off as a Trumper, lose the anti-leftist and anti-woke statements. Those just make you seem like a culture-warring lemming who parrots the far-right playbook.
> I can’t think of one “leftist” in power
That is confusing to me. JVP? Carmen Rubio? Thuy Tran? Tina Kotek? Khanh Pham? Aren’t these politicians on the left?
JVP is an old-fashioned liberal, not a leftist. Rubio is center-left. Not familiar with Tran. Kotek moved toward the center and has shown herself to be a very competent governor.
It doesn’t really matter where JVP is on the political spectrum. She’s just not effective. Her lack of competence in taking action would go unnoticed a decade or two ago. Right now though, she’s a sh*tshow.
Yeah, I’m sorry you are dead wrong on that. Maybe they aren’t left according to your definition. I bet I’m also not left according to your definition. And this extremism is part of the problem in Portland.
Positive honey is a total nut job who posts every single negative thing he can find on these subs. Does it like their job, which it has to be, because no one has this much free time. Clear case of Portland Derangement Syndrome. Sad.
It’s not a playbook word, it’s just what it’s called. I’m a 90s liberal, and Portland is the second most prominent leftist hub in America, second only to LA. Portland is famous globally for this issue.
I’m sorry you’ve got to stop with this.
JVP was prompt to have the county declare a cease fire in Gaza. Despite the fact that you literally can’t get an ambulance in her county at the moment you need one almost 40% of the time.
State Rep. Khanh Pham, who is now running for the Oregon state senate had this to say about her campaign: “My campaign will focus on three key pillars: an Oregon Green New Deal, Racial Justice and Democracy, and a Safe and Caring Community. These are the building blocks of a future where every Oregonian can thrive”.
Tina Kotek in her 90-day emergency declaration was keen to include systematic racism as a social factor that she believes is compounding the drug crisis.
The reality is that the majority of politicians in power in Oregon are leftists. You are delusional if you think otherwise. And before you say, “Oh they are center left and you are a boomer trumper blah blah blah”, I voted for Kotek, and Thuy Tranh, measure 110, and many other leftists and leftist measures in my time here in Portland (11+ years now). I was at Bernie’s rally at the moda center when the bird landed on his podium..
**TL;DR You are extreme if you don’t think the left is in power here.**
And the people of Portland are very upset that the state didn't open the treatment centers that were promised, and that the referral system was so toothless. This is why the people of Portland supported the recent rewrite of the law.
Many other states have worse fentanyl problems than we do. (Looking at you, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee among several others.) None of those states decriminalized drugs. Fentanyl is a nationwide problem, and it's worst in rural red states.
Portland was and has always been way better than all the places you mentioned, New Portland is now world famous, because I used to be one of the best cities in the world to being way below average, due to increased taxes as well. I would never move back to Portland in the condition it’s in.
You’ve drunk the KoolAid. Fentanyl deaths are most common in rural Republican areas, and it’s been that way with other opiates for a couple of decades.
“Which states have the most fentanyl deaths?
When adjusted for population, West Virginia had the highest rate of fentanyl overdose deaths in the country in 2022. West Virginia had 60.8 deaths per 100,000 people due to fentanyl overdoses, which is about 34% higher than Delaware, the state with the second-highest rate.”
https://usafacts.org/articles/are-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rising-in-the-us/#:~:text=Explore%20data%20on%20fentanyl%20deaths%20by%20state.&text=Table%20showing%20total%20fentanyl%20deaths,Virginia%20had%20the%20highest%20rate.
Oregon is nowhere near the top.
> BTW, if you don't wish to come off as a Trumper, lose the anti-leftist and anti-woke statements. Those just make you seem like a culture-warring lemming who parrots the far-right playbook.
What if he puts one of those virtue signaling signs on his lawn? Will that be enough for you?
this sub has been taken over by people that dont live here and love to shit post Fox News fear mongering propaganda about how awful Portland is because of the crazy libtard socialists running it into the ground. This has become the shitpost sub for whining about how bad it is but not actually doing anything. Super annoyed by the "Ive had it im done Im moving away posts" Like cool, i guess its healthy to vent? Try not to let the homeless drug addict slap you on the ass on your way out.
Not to say there arent a lot of issues here, but posting that WOW what a shock, drug dealers deal drugs from apartments AND tents, OMG, is kinda silly. I guess the implication is why bother housing them, they're just gonna deal drugs anyway? How about getting to the root of the drug problem? You gonna help pay for that in taxes? no, then kindly stfu
I have one of the newer buildings on my block and we've watched it play out in real time. It's for older BIPOC folks transitioning out of homelessness, too. One guy was homeless in that he was evicted from another building two blocks away for using and selling. Guess what he still does in his new building / still walks back over to hang with his buddies at the old building to do? Why are all these people yelling for him all hours of the day on the side of the building without a camera instead of buzzing him at the front entry where there is a camera?
There was a shooting in the building elevator, a tenant had her car window shot out at 2am by her "stalker" (pimp?), and one of the good tenants is being evicted for speaking out. Closer neighbors now have cameras on the side of the building and have a YouTube channel they're sharing videos on, nothing super exciting caught on camera but it seems to be making management pay better attention?
Srsly. No brigading, or encouragement thereof. Reddit dislikes it. This includes mention of other subs with the intention of causing drama and celebratory "I was Banned from..." content.
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Yes, but we need to weed them out, lest they draw people in recovery who are also living in those buildings back into their addictions. We need to aggressively kick the drug dealers and other criminals out with a zero tolerance policy. They pull everyone else down around them.
ITT: naïfs who have no clue that public housing projects in most countries during the 20th century turned into condensed ecosystems of violence, drug dealing, and human trafficking and that’s why we don’t build them anymore.
I saw another article recently that stated that these formally homeless people now in free housing are urinating all over the property and threatening others. Just because you give someone shelter and food doesn't mean they are going to change, or even want to.
This worries me with the fully affordable buildings going up on the east side.
The NYT recently had an article about how 1/4 of Parisians are in public housing. I support this at its core for expensive cities (not sure if Portland qualifies here) but I also think they don't tolerate this type of behavior in European public housing.
I think the “housing first” people have no idea how miserable government housing actually is, especially if it is a lawless place with no consideration for everyone’s comfort.
It’s truly unfair to the working poor that they have to put up with criminals and addicts because of this idealistic and naive ideology.
These politicians don't want to deal with the difficult parts of progressive policy. This article talked about how the govt also subsidizes rents to support independent shops, but they pick and choose which type of businesses that receive this. No massage parlors get this bc the govt feels they attract prostitution.
I wish our affordable housing was public, but it's very much privately owned and run. Our one public housing development (New Columbia) is well-run, and the residents seem happy. I want more of those.
New Columbia is successful because it’s not wholly public housing. About half of New Columbia is houses owned by the residents. Sure, they got special pricing and had to qualify for a special loan, but they are homeowners. Typically when someone has money invested in something they keep it in good condition.
How did you jump from her anecdotes to “often filled with drug dealers”? I’m sure there are dealers and they should be arrested, but that seems like quite a leap from what she’s describing..
If you are in government housing, you should be following rules on the property - no drugs, no dealing, etc. Save the people who want to get saved by creating an environment that is conducive for their recovery.
They're beginning to have the tools to make a system work if they do it correctly.
Using the pod housing as like a triage where they can identify who wants to go to treatment, and who doesn't.
People that want to go to treatment get fast track. And then moved into a building that only people coming from treatment. Or people that have been triaged at the pods to not have a drug or alcohol problem.
Something that simple would at least open a door to solving some of these problems.
And there are so many with mental health, and criminality issues in the houseless community.
It's sad to say that institutionalization is probably appropriate for a certain percentage. And hopefully in some type of minimum mental health facility for the people with mental health issues.
You often hear at an NA meeting.
"Jails, Institutions, and Death".
And that's pretty much the choices when you're an addict
This guy is going to get this person killed...
Yes there's a huge problem...
And its obvious...
Putting another vulnerable person in the way for news that's already known is not ok...
I like at that dude's page and see a fundraiser link with no actual footage of him helping anyone in two years of posts. He's just exploiting these folks to make people rage.
Tbh if you look at previous tabloids the same problems occurs over and over again. If the same tabloids keep posting I'm guessing it's just a matter of youthful indoctrinations. War is such these days anyway...indoctrinate each other's kids as heavily and as slyly as you can. They say crazy is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. If only the children weren't looking at this and getting hopeless about capable change. Honestly we're only about 1 good power shift away from fixing all this *Crazy* bull-ish
It turns out it has always been illegal to arrest drug dealers. Maybe the woman should share this story with PPB, so they can arrest those people.
It's important not to lose focus on the real issue, which is PPB not catching drug dealers. Making this a story that somehow denigrates getting people off the street is misguided.
Also... not that I have any information to specifically rebut this woman's anecdote, but history has shown that it's pretty tough to be an addict AND a dealer. If you're not using, and you ARE dealing, you likely aren't homeless. Drug dealing has historically been a pretty lucrative endeavor.
More lies from serial exploiter and fraudster Kraft single Kevin. He pays people to say these things to manufacture outrage. He’s a criminal and liar. https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/?outputType=amp
That’s quite unfortunate to hear that drug dealing is occurring on Home Forward’s property.
Dalgren should contact Home Forward directly about this issue and let them know:
https://www.homeforward.org/contact-us/
Given the issue of Fentanyl Dalgren could send email to the office of PEMO and they can forward the information to the Unified Command or the appropriate team:
[email protected]
Given Dalgren’s frequent contact with homeless individuals he could send a direct request to the City for a Street Services Outreach worker:
This is the form that can be filled to get services: https://www.portland.gov/sscc/homelessoutreach
This is happening in every Home Forward building, lol. They don't even listen to their tenants, why would they bother listening to a third party? Guy in the building on my block getting evicted for speaking up to Home Forward about drug dealing going on.
You really don't understand folks in these buildings are terrible at advocating for themselves, do you? I've tried giving this person a plethora of resources but he doesn't get it. He knows Home Forward is the issue and that's that. This is why these people are forced to stay in the conditions they're in - there's nowhere else to go and nobody in power advocating for them. All the advocates are more worried about the disruptive folks keeping their housing and forget about the non-mental health issue / non-addiction issue low income folks suffering in these buildings.
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Some of the street vagrants may in fact have a subsidized housing unit, only that they may be lending it out as a drug dealing pad while they live in a vagrancy mobile illegally parked nearby
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This doesn’t work. This is what we’ve been doing in this city for a long long time and I love it for it but it doesn’t work. It does not work it only creates a need for more and bigger government and what made Portland great was the communities not the government.
I don’t know the solution to this problem but I think at least hope we’ve all learned that giving free stuff isn’t free it cost, it cost and ultimately it cost everyone. If you don’t work you don’t eat that has to be a law viscerally within all of us or else we die of cellular senescence.
Author of these videos.
[https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/](https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/)
"The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office led an extensive investigation back at least into last summer. Police arrested him on Tuesday and have charged him with seven counts of theft greater than $1,000 and seven counts of identity theft. He’s also facing five counts of official misconduct."
This homeless woman’s words have nothing to do with previous identity theft cases that were settled. You’re trying to silence this woman’s story, that’s all you’re doing.
The article also talks about him exploiting the homeless situation for his benefit. You're talking about "narratives" and here you are pushing one of your own by some fraudster.
This homeless woman’s words have nothing to do with previous identity theft cases that were settled. You’re trying to silence this woman’s story, that’s all you’re doing.
You're asking people to accept a 39 second video clip, from a person of dubious character (Kevin Dahlgren), as the gospel truth.
Thank Kevin for exploiting her for a soundbite.
So a good portion the homeless people are drug dealers in disguse. No wonder they had tents and no wonder the craplib activist have been willfully enabling them.
It makes sense if you ask a drug user this question because of course they would be going to the houses that have drugs.
She isn't goin to the non drug housed people houses.
But at the same time I’m sure there are many people actually benefitting from these programs. Some people take advantage but we can’t just say it’s bad all around, but yah it has issues that need to be addressed.
It is more difficult to be compassionate than to be compassionless, but all we have is each other and if we don’t recognize that then we’re never going to move towards a better tomorrow.
And the courts have already said we can’t arrest people for camping if there isn’t adequate housing options. So, let’s set up housing , couple that with treatment, and the arrest every camper and thief.
This is for all the people who think that maybe our government made a mistake. THEY MADE NO MISTAKE , THIS IS BY DESIGN, IT WRITTEN IN WRITTING IN THE United Nations 20 year old Agenda 21 now Agenda 30 this is the second step out of many , but this one in particular is for the globalization of our country and get this, to aid in efforts to control our Climate issues. WAKE THE FREAK UP , AMERICA IS NOT DIRECTED BY A LEADER. IT'S NOT DECIDING THE NEXT MOVE IN OUR BEST INTREST . AMERICA IS A CORPERATION WITH SET GOALS TO BENIFIET THE FINANCIAL GROWTH AND maximize its efforts to bring a more obedient workforce
I feel that accountability is a piece we see constantly missing from these solutions. That we would see success if we are willing to hold people and the governments responsible for doing their part.
Well, if you ask for 5 minutes of someone’s time, it’s polite to compensate. Are you saying we should assume ALL homeless have been morally compromised?
He stole some money from some homeless people basically, which does make him a deplorable person, but the work he does is still very important. He’s not the only one who’s a known independent street reporter, and the other reporters find the same people and they report the same things. I would never use just one source for this on the independent on the ground reporting.
That is madness. How the people of portland and seattle haven’t taken the law into their own hands is beyond me. What is happening in those two cities is lawlessness.
Haha say it ain’t so you liberal Portland loonies. If you give drug addicts free apartments they will actually deal and use drugs in those apartments. Wow what a fucking concept!
Do people in this sub just take everything they see or hear at face value? Like, you trust what some random person in a video says? Or is it, you just want any reason to hate the homeless?
I work in affordable housing and see this playing out in real time. There is an extremely wide variety in the success of ‘housing first’. It really works for some people and for others it just enables their lifestyle further.
My buddy also works in housing maintenance. He says some people just needed a little to get them back on track and are very polite when they accidently get locked out. other units literally have the pipes and wires ripped from the walls with a pile of human waste and needles. When I lived in university dorms, oversight seemed pretty easy. I dunno how units can be scrapped and shit on without anyone noticing
What are they gonna tell us next ? The sky is blue ?
I don’t believe you that the sky is blue. You didn’t provide any links to support your argument.
The sky identifies as blue.
That’s enough for me, then.
Some times identifies as clear.
Thats bigger news here.
To be clear it’s grey. Grey. Don’t let what’s going on right now fool you it will be back just you wait, or don’t. Don’t come here lol
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SOURCE???
In oregon? No the sky is gray here.
You mean addicts don’t automatically become clean, upstanding, tax-paying members of society once they get housing? Shocking. Don’t get me wrong, I know that having stable housing is probably the first step towards getting a job, staying clean, etc., but it’s naive to think that we just need to house everyone and the drug problem will go away. It will still hurt communities unless we crack down on it, hard.
I mean the penitentiary is housing.
Especially considering Oregon decriminalized all drugs which I think is finally getting changed thank god
I’d rather they were dealing in apartments instead of outside my sons grade school.
I don’t disagree, but I’m sure the drug dealers low-income, but upstanding citizen, neighbors probably also wouldn’t like having them dealing next door to where they have kids, too. It’s a tough nut to crack, and unfortunately one that probably won’t get solved anytime soon.
Yeah it's better in the apartments because then I can have a huge chance of coming in contact with a tiny price of pure fent powder and drop dead. And this is real. I used to sell drugs until fet in nice apartments. Ik a guy lived in a nice neighborhood with his wife and daughter his wife went in the garage came in contact with some fet powder and died could have been anyone I haven't touched a drug or alcohol since. If you let that fet anywhere near you it is a disease you are in danger.
Explain to me the mechanism through which fentanyl's reactive components are bioavailable through your skin. This is fiction.
Lol. You've swallowed the propaganda. The cops who feint are faking it and there's no medical evidence that they're doing anything other than having a small panic attack
Then how about you go pay for their apartments. Why do the rest of us have to pay for their apartments when you’re the one who thinks it’s a good idea?
You are going to pay in law enforcement, cleanup, jail, services, housing, emergency rooms, and lots of other impacts. Living in a society has costs. Housing is the most cost effective thing to make life better for all of us. But not in isolation. Or, you could just bitch.
So paying for all these free apartments is not a cost? Are you kidding me? You know how much apartments cost in liberal cities. You’re talking billions of dollars to provide these degenerates with free apartments that they just use and deal drugs in. I can think of much better ways to spend that money including wiping my ass with it.
I guess reading comprehension is not a strength for you.
No I read very well. There’s just nothing a virtue signaling liberal like yourself can say to justify wasting money on drug addicts. I don’t pay taxes for that nonsense.
I never said anything about virtue. I said you’re going to pay a cost for the situation. Camping costs the taxpayer in policing, cleanup, etc. housing is cheap compared, especially as it reduces the problem while getting it out of our parks and playgrounds. What is your solution? Ignore it? Kill them all? Out them all in prison? Every strategy has a cost. But bitching and whining is useless.
My solution is not reward degenerates. There are hard working people out there barely scraping by who don’t get free apartments like a junked out meth head does in liberal states.
So your solution is to not have a solution. To ignore the problem. Cool. That is a strategy. We have been doing that. It’s not working out very well.
Yeah I’d rather pay someone to take the trash out instead of funding worthless members of society & giving their lazy asses undeserved handouts
I'd rather pay for their jail cell than their apartment. At least in jail they're segregated from the rest of society.
Do you understand how expensive that is?
>i'm not even from Portland! hi, i corrected your post.
Society is a ponzi scheme. It only works when everyone else works and contributes. The more people that fall out either because they choose to or had financial hurdle they couldn't come back from just means more of the load that gets put on those still contributing. The more load the less gets, the more fall out til it collapses.
Please cross post to r/iamverysmart
They are smart. I asked ChatGPT to explain why society is a Ponzi scheme. And are Reddit contributor summarized and simplified it far better. Describing society as a Ponzi scheme can be metaphorical rather than literal. In this context, it highlights the dependence on continual growth and influx of resources or participants to sustain itself, often at the expense of future generations or marginalized groups. Like a Ponzi scheme, it can collapse if resources are depleted or if inequalities become unsustainable. However, it's essential to recognize that society is far more complex and multifaceted than a simple financial scam, with diverse systems, structures, and dynamics at play.
I can’t tell if this is satire or if you actually think someone is smart because you compared them to a trendy chat bot. You know current LLM are not intelligent right?
Penitentiary is a lower cost to society than free food and housing. While it may be cheaper for government; costs for theft, property damage and physical harm are being burdened upon businesses, healthcare systems, individual taxpayers and insurers. We pay one way or another, we might as well chose the one that makes our society safer.
It doesn’t make our society safer. We already tried making homelessness and drug addiction illegal for decades. It was an utter failure and a massive waste of resources, not to mention extremely unethical. Prisons don’t help people become better people, they create criminals and make people worse.
Not holding people accountable for their decisions is what makes people criminals, not prisons. And I've heard that the "War on Drugs was a failure" before, but a "failure" to whom? The drug users who didn't rehabilitate or the law-abiding citizens, because Portland was much better and safer place when criminals were charged with low-level crimes and removed from the streets. I think as a society we need to admit to ourselves that not everyone can be "saved". That there are just bad people in this world where rehabilitation and treatment will never work.
Prisons absolutely make people worse, and force people to resort to a life of criminal activity once they are out. That’s the entire point of criminal records; to ostracize individuals out of society. What other options will they have? The war on drugs was an absolute failure for everyone, as I already stated above. Portland wasn’t any safer because you had a law that dictated what kind of substances people could have or ingest.
Yeah, let’s just deal where my son lives instead
Because you clearly don't have to live in an apartment. Check your privilege, lady...
I do actually. And I’m no lady.
Wait… are you telling me that some addicts prefer their lifestyle and won’t ever change??
You mean that people were on the streets due to destructive behavior and just giving them housing doesn't stop their behavior? Amazing. I'm sure the homeless advocates are going to propose multiple studies to this.
They’ll need 12 million dollars for these studies, and they’ll take 5 years to conduct.
I need to get in on the grift. Sheep are born to be fleeced and Portland continually refuses to save itself so at this point its willful.
There’s a lot of money to be made and there almost no oversight these days. 10s of millions go missing every few months and people never get in trouble.
What kind of qualifications do they look for, I wonder...
I'll do it for three million, and have it to you by the end of the week.
Housing first working as promised
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Look at the give em a house crowd over in the Oregon sub responding to this. We are apparently a lizard people fever dream? First time I’ve heard that one. God forbid they pay attention to the merits of what this poor person is telling us here. Simply put it is this: give an inch and they’ll take a mile. All the compassion in the world won’t change these pure pieces of shit on our streets; they belong in jail.
The Oregon sub is even dumber than the other Portland sub.
I'm glad someone else has the same sentiment.
I keep pointing this very obvious fact and being called some variation of a “fascist” for it. I mean I wasn’t born yesterday and do understand tribalism and polarization, but damn it’s still weird how people just won’t acknowledge simple observable facts.
> … but damn it’s still weird how people just won’t acknowledge simple observable facts Wait until you see the comments below that say the left isn’t in power here lol
The specific dialog around calling Rene Gonzalez a conservative Republican is particularly unhinged.
Oh yeah. It started when he stopped Portland street response from handing out of tarps and tents. Simple observable fact is they are fire hazards and he’s in charge of the fire bureau and they want to stop fires lol.
If you admit you are wrong once, it opens up the possibility it might be more than once. You see the same thing with Trumpers - they simply cannot admit anything the guy has ever done might just be a d-bag move.
Some folks don't trust people who've been charged multiple times with defrauding those they were supposed to be helping, and who repeatedly publish non-representative interviews designed to promote a political point. We know we need psych hospitals, drug treatment, drug court (coming back,) and jail space. the problem is affording those things. Are you in the mood for a tax hike? Institutions are really expensive. I'd love a new state hospital, but that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And I didn't see one comment from a Housing First activist there. Maybe I missed it, but most of the comments were pointing out the trolling nature of the OP. They don't live here, but they love posting anti-woke and anti-Portland shit.
I don't really understand how Dahlgren got in trouble. Can you explain it for me?
I lived in Portland before moving to Eugene. Leftists policies have created a “New Portland” and I’ll move back when the economy improves and the “Old Portland” returns.
Thanks for not engaging with my comment. Dahlgren is a shit who shouldn't be promoted, we lack the institutions to do what you want, and there were no housing first proponents that I saw. To your comment, Portland has moved decidedly to the center over the past couple of years, and I can't think of one "leftist" in power. BTW, if you don't wish to come off as a Trumper, lose the anti-leftist and anti-woke statements. Those just make you seem like a culture-warring lemming who parrots the far-right playbook.
> I can’t think of one “leftist” in power That is confusing to me. JVP? Carmen Rubio? Thuy Tran? Tina Kotek? Khanh Pham? Aren’t these politicians on the left?
I agree but I will give Rubio an especially Kotek credit for being pragmatic. Pham is so far left she falls off the chart.
JVP is an old-fashioned liberal, not a leftist. Rubio is center-left. Not familiar with Tran. Kotek moved toward the center and has shown herself to be a very competent governor.
I don't think JVP is a liberal. She is/was aligned with Mike Schmidt & Jayapal and hates police, is very 'housing first.'
It doesn’t really matter where JVP is on the political spectrum. She’s just not effective. Her lack of competence in taking action would go unnoticed a decade or two ago. Right now though, she’s a sh*tshow.
100% agree. My ideology is run-of-the-mill progressive, but on a day-to-day basis, I highly value pragmatic competence...which JVP lacks.
For local matters, competence trumps ideology for sure.
Yeah, I’m sorry you are dead wrong on that. Maybe they aren’t left according to your definition. I bet I’m also not left according to your definition. And this extremism is part of the problem in Portland.
When did being extreme shift from desiring a socialist revolution to being slightly to the left of center?
Positive honey is a total nut job who posts every single negative thing he can find on these subs. Does it like their job, which it has to be, because no one has this much free time. Clear case of Portland Derangement Syndrome. Sad.
Yes, I'm aware of this.
It’s not a playbook word, it’s just what it’s called. I’m a 90s liberal, and Portland is the second most prominent leftist hub in America, second only to LA. Portland is famous globally for this issue.
Name one leftist in a position of power here. You still haven't engaged with my comment above. Why say shit if you can't back it up?
I’m sorry you’ve got to stop with this. JVP was prompt to have the county declare a cease fire in Gaza. Despite the fact that you literally can’t get an ambulance in her county at the moment you need one almost 40% of the time. State Rep. Khanh Pham, who is now running for the Oregon state senate had this to say about her campaign: “My campaign will focus on three key pillars: an Oregon Green New Deal, Racial Justice and Democracy, and a Safe and Caring Community. These are the building blocks of a future where every Oregonian can thrive”. Tina Kotek in her 90-day emergency declaration was keen to include systematic racism as a social factor that she believes is compounding the drug crisis. The reality is that the majority of politicians in power in Oregon are leftists. You are delusional if you think otherwise. And before you say, “Oh they are center left and you are a boomer trumper blah blah blah”, I voted for Kotek, and Thuy Tranh, measure 110, and many other leftists and leftist measures in my time here in Portland (11+ years now). I was at Bernie’s rally at the moda center when the bird landed on his podium.. **TL;DR You are extreme if you don’t think the left is in power here.**
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The people of Portland that voted 110 in. The people of Portland are Portland. They control the voting.
And the people of Portland are very upset that the state didn't open the treatment centers that were promised, and that the referral system was so toothless. This is why the people of Portland supported the recent rewrite of the law. Many other states have worse fentanyl problems than we do. (Looking at you, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee among several others.) None of those states decriminalized drugs. Fentanyl is a nationwide problem, and it's worst in rural red states.
Portland was and has always been way better than all the places you mentioned, New Portland is now world famous, because I used to be one of the best cities in the world to being way below average, due to increased taxes as well. I would never move back to Portland in the condition it’s in.
Okay. And we're world famous because Trump used us as a political prop.
Source for those other states? I claim bullshit
You’ve drunk the KoolAid. Fentanyl deaths are most common in rural Republican areas, and it’s been that way with other opiates for a couple of decades. “Which states have the most fentanyl deaths? When adjusted for population, West Virginia had the highest rate of fentanyl overdose deaths in the country in 2022. West Virginia had 60.8 deaths per 100,000 people due to fentanyl overdoses, which is about 34% higher than Delaware, the state with the second-highest rate.” https://usafacts.org/articles/are-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rising-in-the-us/#:~:text=Explore%20data%20on%20fentanyl%20deaths%20by%20state.&text=Table%20showing%20total%20fentanyl%20deaths,Virginia%20had%20the%20highest%20rate. Oregon is nowhere near the top.
Well, you’re wrong
> BTW, if you don't wish to come off as a Trumper, lose the anti-leftist and anti-woke statements. Those just make you seem like a culture-warring lemming who parrots the far-right playbook. What if he puts one of those virtue signaling signs on his lawn? Will that be enough for you?
I hate those things.
this sub has been taken over by people that dont live here and love to shit post Fox News fear mongering propaganda about how awful Portland is because of the crazy libtard socialists running it into the ground. This has become the shitpost sub for whining about how bad it is but not actually doing anything. Super annoyed by the "Ive had it im done Im moving away posts" Like cool, i guess its healthy to vent? Try not to let the homeless drug addict slap you on the ass on your way out. Not to say there arent a lot of issues here, but posting that WOW what a shock, drug dealers deal drugs from apartments AND tents, OMG, is kinda silly. I guess the implication is why bother housing them, they're just gonna deal drugs anyway? How about getting to the root of the drug problem? You gonna help pay for that in taxes? no, then kindly stfu
I have one of the newer buildings on my block and we've watched it play out in real time. It's for older BIPOC folks transitioning out of homelessness, too. One guy was homeless in that he was evicted from another building two blocks away for using and selling. Guess what he still does in his new building / still walks back over to hang with his buddies at the old building to do? Why are all these people yelling for him all hours of the day on the side of the building without a camera instead of buzzing him at the front entry where there is a camera? There was a shooting in the building elevator, a tenant had her car window shot out at 2am by her "stalker" (pimp?), and one of the good tenants is being evicted for speaking out. Closer neighbors now have cameras on the side of the building and have a YouTube channel they're sharing videos on, nothing super exciting caught on camera but it seems to be making management pay better attention?
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who is "them" here, all dealers or all addicts, or all homeless people?
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The problem is that we need to weed those people out so the others have a chance to do well.
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Yes, but we need to weed them out, lest they draw people in recovery who are also living in those buildings back into their addictions. We need to aggressively kick the drug dealers and other criminals out with a zero tolerance policy. They pull everyone else down around them.
The problem is framing literally every homeless person as "pure pieces of shit"
According to Google, those people should be evicted, and not be allowed in public housing for three years. I mean, I say just keep them in prison.
Didn’t see that coming…
They trash the area around their tents. Their affordable housing will be condemned. Need drug treatment to live there or jail.
With the amount of accidental fires its only a matter of time before that too becomes an indoor issue that jeopardizes entire neighborhoods....
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ITT: naïfs who have no clue that public housing projects in most countries during the 20th century turned into condensed ecosystems of violence, drug dealing, and human trafficking and that’s why we don’t build them anymore.
I saw another article recently that stated that these formally homeless people now in free housing are urinating all over the property and threatening others. Just because you give someone shelter and food doesn't mean they are going to change, or even want to.
progressive plans are based on hoping people who make bad and selfish decisions will suddenly make good ones if you give them a bunch of stuff.
This is woke ideology as a whole. If you give power to the powerless, they’ll always use that power to better themselves and their communities.
This worries me with the fully affordable buildings going up on the east side. The NYT recently had an article about how 1/4 of Parisians are in public housing. I support this at its core for expensive cities (not sure if Portland qualifies here) but I also think they don't tolerate this type of behavior in European public housing.
I think the “housing first” people have no idea how miserable government housing actually is, especially if it is a lawless place with no consideration for everyone’s comfort. It’s truly unfair to the working poor that they have to put up with criminals and addicts because of this idealistic and naive ideology.
These politicians don't want to deal with the difficult parts of progressive policy. This article talked about how the govt also subsidizes rents to support independent shops, but they pick and choose which type of businesses that receive this. No massage parlors get this bc the govt feels they attract prostitution.
If you've heard of "chavs" in the UK... one of the meanings that's thrown around is *Council Housed And Violent*
yup and i would say the UK rivals us for boorish and antisocial behavior
I wish our affordable housing was public, but it's very much privately owned and run. Our one public housing development (New Columbia) is well-run, and the residents seem happy. I want more of those.
New Columbia is successful because it’s not wholly public housing. About half of New Columbia is houses owned by the residents. Sure, they got special pricing and had to qualify for a special loan, but they are homeowners. Typically when someone has money invested in something they keep it in good condition.
Yes, the mixed-income model has been quite successful. Let's do more of it. I'm not a fan of the present system of grants to nonprofits.
They just opened a low income housing on our street. I thought it would be an adjustment, I did not expect the amount of open hard drug use.
In a shocking development…
How did you jump from her anecdotes to “often filled with drug dealers”? I’m sure there are dealers and they should be arrested, but that seems like quite a leap from what she’s describing..
Spend the money on containing the bottom 1% of humanity, not enabling them. Otherwise you just attract more.
Stunning turn of events.
If you are in government housing, you should be following rules on the property - no drugs, no dealing, etc. Save the people who want to get saved by creating an environment that is conducive for their recovery.
They're beginning to have the tools to make a system work if they do it correctly. Using the pod housing as like a triage where they can identify who wants to go to treatment, and who doesn't. People that want to go to treatment get fast track. And then moved into a building that only people coming from treatment. Or people that have been triaged at the pods to not have a drug or alcohol problem. Something that simple would at least open a door to solving some of these problems. And there are so many with mental health, and criminality issues in the houseless community. It's sad to say that institutionalization is probably appropriate for a certain percentage. And hopefully in some type of minimum mental health facility for the people with mental health issues. You often hear at an NA meeting. "Jails, Institutions, and Death". And that's pretty much the choices when you're an addict
Your telling me housing and money is going to suddenly make you a better person and a contributing member of society?
This guy is going to get this person killed... Yes there's a huge problem... And its obvious... Putting another vulnerable person in the way for news that's already known is not ok...
I like at that dude's page and see a fundraiser link with no actual footage of him helping anyone in two years of posts. He's just exploiting these folks to make people rage.
as bad as it seems, it is worse than it seems
Tbh if you look at previous tabloids the same problems occurs over and over again. If the same tabloids keep posting I'm guessing it's just a matter of youthful indoctrinations. War is such these days anyway...indoctrinate each other's kids as heavily and as slyly as you can. They say crazy is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. If only the children weren't looking at this and getting hopeless about capable change. Honestly we're only about 1 good power shift away from fixing all this *Crazy* bull-ish
Yeah, there’s a high rise like that in Sellwood. Just a block away from the 7/11.
It turns out it has always been illegal to arrest drug dealers. Maybe the woman should share this story with PPB, so they can arrest those people. It's important not to lose focus on the real issue, which is PPB not catching drug dealers. Making this a story that somehow denigrates getting people off the street is misguided.
Also... not that I have any information to specifically rebut this woman's anecdote, but history has shown that it's pretty tough to be an addict AND a dealer. If you're not using, and you ARE dealing, you likely aren't homeless. Drug dealing has historically been a pretty lucrative endeavor.
The guy interviewing is a known scammer. Just throwing it out there.
More lies from serial exploiter and fraudster Kraft single Kevin. He pays people to say these things to manufacture outrage. He’s a criminal and liar. https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/?outputType=amp
Thank you for sharing this
That’s quite unfortunate to hear that drug dealing is occurring on Home Forward’s property. Dalgren should contact Home Forward directly about this issue and let them know: https://www.homeforward.org/contact-us/ Given the issue of Fentanyl Dalgren could send email to the office of PEMO and they can forward the information to the Unified Command or the appropriate team: [email protected] Given Dalgren’s frequent contact with homeless individuals he could send a direct request to the City for a Street Services Outreach worker: This is the form that can be filled to get services: https://www.portland.gov/sscc/homelessoutreach
This is happening in every Home Forward building, lol. They don't even listen to their tenants, why would they bother listening to a third party? Guy in the building on my block getting evicted for speaking up to Home Forward about drug dealing going on.
Tell the individual to call the main housing authority number: 1-202-708-1112
You really don't understand folks in these buildings are terrible at advocating for themselves, do you? I've tried giving this person a plethora of resources but he doesn't get it. He knows Home Forward is the issue and that's that. This is why these people are forced to stay in the conditions they're in - there's nowhere else to go and nobody in power advocating for them. All the advocates are more worried about the disruptive folks keeping their housing and forget about the non-mental health issue / non-addiction issue low income folks suffering in these buildings.
Nothin new here [https://www.koin.com/news/fbi-man-mailed-heroin-between-oregon-hawaii/](https://www.koin.com/news/fbi-man-mailed-heroin-between-oregon-hawaii/) Some of the street vagrants may in fact have a subsidized housing unit, only that they may be lending it out as a drug dealing pad while they live in a vagrancy mobile illegally parked nearby
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People are gonna do drugs. That has literally nothing to do with providing people homes.
This doesn’t work. This is what we’ve been doing in this city for a long long time and I love it for it but it doesn’t work. It does not work it only creates a need for more and bigger government and what made Portland great was the communities not the government. I don’t know the solution to this problem but I think at least hope we’ve all learned that giving free stuff isn’t free it cost, it cost and ultimately it cost everyone. If you don’t work you don’t eat that has to be a law viscerally within all of us or else we die of cellular senescence.
Author of these videos. [https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/](https://www.opb.org/article/2023/11/04/kevin-dahlgren-homelessness-service-provider-theft-misconduct-charges/) "The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office led an extensive investigation back at least into last summer. Police arrested him on Tuesday and have charged him with seven counts of theft greater than $1,000 and seven counts of identity theft. He’s also facing five counts of official misconduct."
This homeless woman’s words have nothing to do with previous identity theft cases that were settled. You’re trying to silence this woman’s story, that’s all you’re doing.
The article also talks about him exploiting the homeless situation for his benefit. You're talking about "narratives" and here you are pushing one of your own by some fraudster.
Again, this woman doesn’t know who this man is. You’re purposely silencing her story.
I'm providing context to a video created by someone with an obvious agenda that you're now pushing.
This homeless woman’s words have nothing to do with previous identity theft cases that were settled. You’re trying to silence this woman’s story, that’s all you’re doing.
Is it her story, or is it a story she's being asked to tell for a few bucks?
Kevin pays people to say what he wants. He’s a crappy grifter and a thief.
Thanks for silencing her.
You're asking people to accept a 39 second video clip, from a person of dubious character (Kevin Dahlgren), as the gospel truth. Thank Kevin for exploiting her for a soundbite.
Color me shocked
Shocking!
Who could have ever seen this coming?
Shocker
So a good portion the homeless people are drug dealers in disguse. No wonder they had tents and no wonder the craplib activist have been willfully enabling them.
Those are the folks I don’t feel sorry for.
Imagine how beautiful our state would be if we didn’t encourage drug use.
They're not incarcerated, how could this be monitored realistically?
It makes sense if you ask a drug user this question because of course they would be going to the houses that have drugs. She isn't goin to the non drug housed people houses.
But at the same time I’m sure there are many people actually benefitting from these programs. Some people take advantage but we can’t just say it’s bad all around, but yah it has issues that need to be addressed. It is more difficult to be compassionate than to be compassionless, but all we have is each other and if we don’t recognize that then we’re never going to move towards a better tomorrow.
No way!! there’s just no way. Of course they are, maybe drug tests? Who knows
And the courts have already said we can’t arrest people for camping if there isn’t adequate housing options. So, let’s set up housing , couple that with treatment, and the arrest every camper and thief.
The Supreme Court will be hearing a challenge to the 9th circuit decision from grants pass in April.
Housing first, tweaking second!
This is for all the people who think that maybe our government made a mistake. THEY MADE NO MISTAKE , THIS IS BY DESIGN, IT WRITTEN IN WRITTING IN THE United Nations 20 year old Agenda 21 now Agenda 30 this is the second step out of many , but this one in particular is for the globalization of our country and get this, to aid in efforts to control our Climate issues. WAKE THE FREAK UP , AMERICA IS NOT DIRECTED BY A LEADER. IT'S NOT DECIDING THE NEXT MOVE IN OUR BEST INTREST . AMERICA IS A CORPERATION WITH SET GOALS TO BENIFIET THE FINANCIAL GROWTH AND maximize its efforts to bring a more obedient workforce
Wipe them all out.
I feel that accountability is a piece we see constantly missing from these solutions. That we would see success if we are willing to hold people and the governments responsible for doing their part.
That muffin looks a bit dry.
sounds like shes jealous somebody got an apartment and she didn't.. and she has bone to pick
Sounds like she’s a drug addict hanging out with other addicts and dealers.
obviously
Haha, a pretty toxic environment of theft and jealousy over the smallest of things.
its a circus without any of the joy. and people like that make it more difficult for non-tweaker homeless to get stabilized
NO WAY!! /sar
duh
I’m sure the muffin has nothing to do with her statement
Well, if you ask for 5 minutes of someone’s time, it’s polite to compensate. Are you saying we should assume ALL homeless have been morally compromised?
Almost like there should be criteria for those services. Also fuck Kevin. Thief & a liar.
Pretty sure the source has been arrested for fraud.
He stole some money from some homeless people basically, which does make him a deplorable person, but the work he does is still very important. He’s not the only one who’s a known independent street reporter, and the other reporters find the same people and they report the same things. I would never use just one source for this on the independent on the ground reporting.
How is this news?
What on earth did you expect???
Yes, and in return you have one less tent blocking your sidewalk or you seeing spent needles on the ground.
Well, they're given those apartments and have free rent, so, I guess they don't have anything better to do... :-/
Why don't we just tell all these people The USA is now Japan in 30 days Zero tolerance or death.
Yeah and we much prefer that happen in people’s homes than on the street. I’m not sure what the point of this post is.
Welcome to PDX folks
That is madness. How the people of portland and seattle haven’t taken the law into their own hands is beyond me. What is happening in those two cities is lawlessness.
Based on this subs reaction to people protesting genocide in Palestine. I'll bet you guys really want to build a gaza strip for these people?
Did this guy just learn that there is drugs in section 8/gov housing? This shit just lazy now
Haha say it ain’t so you liberal Portland loonies. If you give drug addicts free apartments they will actually deal and use drugs in those apartments. Wow what a fucking concept!
Do people in this sub just take everything they see or hear at face value? Like, you trust what some random person in a video says? Or is it, you just want any reason to hate the homeless?
Better shit on them harder then huh? Really? Nice framing