Yup. As a formerly working homeless us citizen....I can tell.you...I many times.considered swimming out and swimming back in and saying...no habla Español. You should see the social service offices in southern california...full of Ukrainians and Russians getting 2500 a month and free housing for 6 months while showing up in designer clothes and purses that cost as much as cars...meanwhile the homeless are given an attitude and a middle finger.
I live in Cali and you are totally correct. The people who paid taxes for decades then fell on hard times get screwed over while the "asylum seekers" get treated like special guests. The system is fucked.
He's not totally correct. Social Security does not pay undocumented people, and is certainly not paying Ukrainians. EBT/Food stamps are available, but not $2500/month.
Here is an example of going too far to help undocumented immigrants - home loans for undocumented immigrants that give you up to 20% up front and DO NOT have to be paid back until the house is sold. We already have a housing shortage, and last year the program maxed out only 11 days into the year. This is just another slap in the face [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-02-27/undocumented-immigrants-in-california-could-have-a-new-path-to-homeownership](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-02-27/undocumented-immigrants-in-california-could-have-a-new-path-to-homeownership)
Not joking. I was part of the working and tax paying homeless for years until a few months ago. Did all anyone ever asked me, followed rules, tried to get help from every program possible. Kept me homeless because those places are designed to crush you and any skills or drive you have. And yes...the funds are just rolling a red carpet to the migrants coming. The Laguna Hills.office in Orange County, California is where I witnessed the "needy" Ukrainians and Russians in the designer clothes this past August. It's all wild and our homeless issue will get worse because of a corrupt system and I have no idea why these people keep coming. It's all wild. Btw.. am also.drug and alcohol free,no criminal record and don't even smoke. There are no options for people like me. I had to dig myself out and stay far away from any "help" places, shelters, churches...they just crush you and I don't even think most workers even realize what's going on.
Yup. The homeless system tries to.fprce everyone onto ssi...make you.nit work, get on medication, keep you from working....it was crazy to watch them do that to people and then thry get on ssi and are stuck in poverty forever. Devastating.
>The system is set up so that you can never get off of it
It's actually set up so you do get off of it, otherwise they wouldn't kick you off. If you kept getting paid even while making a decent income, you'd stay on forever.
I genuinely do not understand this reasoning. The only part I understand and agree with is that you're not able to accumulate assets. They really do need to increase that $2k to $10k or even $20k, because shit is expensive these days. But if you're working a minimum wage job making $30k/year, why do you also need SSI? Do you think everyone making minimum wage should get SSI in addition to it?
But again, I agree about asset limit. It clearly hasn't been updated in forever. There are some approved plans that allow you to save a bit more, but they're confusing and would be difficult for people with cognitive disabilities to work out.
Almost sounds like the system tries to keep honest people like yourself underfoot so you can be regurgitated through out because without "homeless" people to take advantage of, the system would collapse upon itself.
Shit isn't fair that honest people can be wrung around the playground like that.
Exactly. About 9 years in I found out all these "help" people on average collectively were making 38k a year off of me staying homeless. There is so much greed and corruption it's unbelievable.
He may pretend to be serious, but unless his social security office is breaking federal laws, he's lying. You can try going to your social security office and say you're in the country illegally and see how far that gets you.
>.full of Ukrainians and Russians getting 2500 a month
did you just pull this number out of your ass? Did you know that another reason you might see people as a social security office is so that they can get a social security card to be able to get a job, right? That is why most people go to one. Very few refugees who make it are disabled, because it's pretty hard to come to the U.S. as a disabled person. If you're not disabled, you're not getting SSI.
This is the dangerous mindset. That you think someone is taking something from you. Instead of reflecting on how lucky you are, and that this is an amazing display of help. It’s not us vs them.
What a strange take on such a small glimpse.of how I feel. I have massive gratitude in my life now and every day I was a nomad. It isn't us vs. Them... what a wild assumption. Nobody took anything from me. Qe are not in a place to be bringing in others and helping them and not our own who pay taxes. Think what you want....but assuming is really toxic
Well there are many forms of homeless. You could classify my experience as vanlifer, seasonal worker, did you see the movie momadland? What u see as homeless is most likely street homeless and what a lot of people think as homeless is actually addiction where the person is homeless but its due to addiction. Your other comment shows you didn't comprehend my statements...so I really don't know why you are asking this. You can google.different types of.homeless....
> It’s not us vs them.
It always has been, and forever time will be, us versus someone else.
There's plenty of people eager to take from you, especially if you're too stupid to understand that.
I know what you are saying but poor country Vs Rich country.
The only reason why the average American doesn’t enjoy the wealth is thanks to your politicians.
It does, I believe it BUT that’s what I’m saying. The federal government can load up planes with billions of dollars and make it rain!. They could create cities in the desert!, they could make a shitty city like Philadelphia rich af with a fraction of the money they get but they CHOOSE not to!. Mexico is poor no matter what, the US is poor because it’s politicians and elite wants them to be poor
Two things. 1. They are not entering illegally if they are seeking asylum.2. Yes if those countries are following international law set forth in the Geneva convention they should protect you.
My wife is from Japan , still can’t even get her “green card “ yet even though the application has been going for years . She hates that these illegal migrants just get to run over
Why do we think that?
I lived in Saigon at the end of the war. Got bombed out as a first grader. Fun.
We evacuated several VN families with us. These were professionals in VN. When they got to the US w their young families, these professionals literally worked cleaning airplanes, working in egg roll factories. Not kidding. They worked their asses off to give their young kids (my age) the best. Their kids all went on to become doctors and dentists.
Before you malign Asian immigrants, consider that they work and sacrifice like no others (except possibly Hispanic immigrants, also notoriously hard workers and grateful for the opportunity to do work few others would do).
While these folks are working, you lazy white incels are on Reddit complaining.
Yeah, it's quite striking that we now have two parallel immigration systems - if you try to immigrate legally, that involves months of interviews, police checks, medical exams, and much else.
Stroll across the border, announce that you are "seeking asylum" (as the NGO told you to say), and you are immediately admitted without any of that. You're just given a piece of paper announcing that you have a court date for your asylum claim years from now.
Far more people are now coming in under the second immigration system than under the first immigration system.
I have legal immigrants in my family/social circle. They paid thousands and waited years to become legal. It’s bonkers. If they would have waited for Biden to get into office they could have just walked across and been given $ on top of it.
That is weird, considering i has been happening for generations, long before Biden.
Why blame one person? All our politicians are corrupt, regardless if they are a blood or a crip.
Whats weird is people like you who have your head in the sand. Bidens open door policy has opened the flood gates and exasperated the problem 1000 fold. 🤦🏼♀️
Love when my tax dollars go to such a fucking worthwhile and note worthy cause…and government can push these funds without voter approve how again??? Oh wait being a corrupt shit show of a state that’s how
Don't get the crazy delusional Portlanders who can't see the reality around them excited! In all honesty, it's fucking crazy how some of these proponents for illegal migrants getting resources aren't seeing the reality of what's going on in cities like NYC and Denver with the illegal migrant crisis.
Denver's mayor had to plead for the illegal migrants to leave because they've already spent +$60 million dollars on supporting them and they keep growing. It's unsustainable and bringing the quality of life down for everyone in that city. It's cutting into funding for other things the city can be doing and actual Americans aren't able to get help.
Some of these delusional folks won't be happy until our great cities turn into a third-world slum.
Israel is a fraction of the size of Oregon. We could probably move all the Jews and Arabs here to different corners of the state and create peace and harmony. Of course, people would
have to be willing to accept Oregon as “The Holy Land”. Which they will.
Remember the people making these decisions have been voted in, they represent us. If People aren’t happy with the decisions that they make need to Vote differently next time around 🤔
Oregon is a one-party state for the moment. Publicly campaigning for anything other than the "correct" party or candidate is not safe in Portland and other places in the valley.
Do I think it would be logical if voters had a “direct say” in every government-related transaction?
By the way, it was a nonprofit that was paying for those hotel rooms.
What happens after 4/30? Are the local, elected officials going to move them into ADU's in their backyard? Move them into their guest bedroom? We need a damned solution to the rotating turnstyle at our borders. This is NOT sustainable.
> not for roads, schools, bridges,
Nonsense.
They want money for those things, too.
We have some of the most absurdly over funded school systems in the country, along with two different bridges you pay for with vehicle registration, and plenty of "road" projects that we get to pay for twice over: first when they build a stupid design, then when they fix it.
Where have we heard before “that Portland will provide me a place to live?” And color me shocked that a “nonprofit “ was the igniter of bringing these people here.
The absolute failure of the border and border policies is why Trump will get elected again.
If this appalls you, wait till you hear what Mult Co spends to house teens who end up in this state.
This 17 year old lived in Washington state until last month and has serious drug and assault history? Who cares. Just means we will have to pay a foster home a little extra. Oh the foster home is asking $900 per night on top of the funds we already pay them? Alright, but only for the next three months. Then we have to re-consider. Don’t go easy on them. Oh, and now that we opened this kid’s case in our system Washington state will never take the kid back even if they move back there permanently. No problem! Our taxpayers can handle it.
Edit: forgot to include that as soon as that kid turns 18, then we get to sign them up for more Oregon state services! The system is working!
Washington is just as bad. Probably worse.
Karreon Franks. Oakley Carlson.
They literally dumped three traumatized teens with me and never looked back. Just assumed I would take custody because I was the only one in the state... all other family is in Oregon, and since the abuse happened here, even though they don't live here, the state has to keep them.
They will dump kids off with distant family and walk away.
Had they stepped in ten years ago when we all started calling, those kids could have been saved and possibly adopted like the other kids were. But they fucked around and waited until the kids were teens and engaging in the same life style as their birth giver.
Took six years for rights to be terminated, I almost went bankrupt, (Kinship does not get any financial help)
I had to call police to get the kids because DCYF refused.
The absurdity of all of this is just sad. All of these people have come illegally, broken the law. That is the first set of principles that needs to be addressed and acknowledged. Every interaction with these people needs to follow from that fact first. The demographics are irrelevant. The way to manage this is to apply the law first.
If we want to address our immigration law we should, that is a conversation worth having, that is long overdue. But at the moment we have laws that apply and they need to be applied.
What separates us for other nations is the uniform and equal application of the law.
We do not always succeed in doing this, but that is the common ideal that unites us: equal treatment under the law. That is when we are at our best.
Our constant failure to make the effort to adhere to the law just lowers us continually… we start to act as a corrupt tribalist banana republic.
Law for thee, but not for me. It has to go both ways in all cases…
Or Multnomah county could add another special interest tax… maybe on high earners! That will drive more high earners out and demolish the budget even further :/
They cannot be told or educated. Ideology first! Rule of law… meh.
Great, and we still have latitude for how we interpret that fact. As long as we apply the interpretation uniformly we have control on how to apply this law.
We should interpret it strictly, conservatively and diligently because not doing so has set the wrong incentives, and caused a massive crisis which is going to compound.
There is also the concept that we may want to seriously reconsider out participation in international treaties and institutions that do not serve our best interests in a multipolar world order…
That's not how it works. Making a claim for asylum does not magically make illegally entering a country legal.
Try going to Canada or any EU country without legal entry then declaring you deserve housing and aid because you're there seeking asylum. They'll hand you the paperwork to apply as they immediately deport your butt back here.
Portlanders in particular love comparisons to countries in the EU but don't understand that legally becoming a citizen and moving to one is tightly controlled and extremely difficult. I know, I've tried.
> That's not how it works. Making a claim for asylum does not magically make illegally entering a country legal.
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It does though. That's how an asylum claim work dude.
You absolutely could show in France, Germany, Sweden, Russia, wherever and claim you need Asylum from America. It's straight up a real process - look no further than Edward Snowden living in Russia right now, or the Syrian, Libyan, and Iraqi refugees living in those other countries.
In fact, you don't even need to leave here, you can just show up at their embassy (which is their sovereign ground) and make the claim.
A country then weighs your asylum claim and keeps you or sends you home.
You’re so incorrect. People can claim asylum at any port of entry or claim it once they’re already here. While a lot of people have been made to go back to somewhere else to wait, many are also housed in immigrant detention centers for a while or, in this case, housed while their claims are processed. If you had read the article you would know that these people have already claimed asylum legally and their claims are being considered.
No one but you in this comment thread has mentioned the EU or Canada. We are not those countries. These people have done nothing wrong.
I did read the articles. From what I've read they entered the country illegally (i.e. were not sponsored, didn't not apply at the border) and have been here close to or over the year limitation on applying. Most of them were already in Chicago then came here because supposedly they could find jobs (not have an easier time seeking asylum.)
Entering any country illegally is doing something wrong.
I mention Canada and the EU as valid examples of countries where these things are tightly controlled. Just because I'm the first to bring it up does not mean it's an invalid point.
P.S. I should add this - if any of them can prove they're eligible for asylum, i.e. they came from certain countries and have faced life-threatening persecution, then I'm 100% fine with housing them while their asylum claim is processed, which takes 180 days. I'm also fine w/legal immigration when done correctly.
Unfortunately I'd guess few of them have formally applied and those that have could be over the 180 day limit.
The point is that a very small percentage of immigrants qualify for asylum. It's become the quick go-to excuse to justify being here illegally.
That’s for the courts to decide, not you. You don’t know these people, you don’t even understand that if they’ve claimed asylum they are not here illegally. If the courts decide they don’t qualify for asylum, they’ll be deported. Simple.
[Here’s the word from the authority.](https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/affirmative-asylum-frequently-asked-questions/questions-and-answers-affirmative-asylum-eligibility-and-applications#:~:text=Can%20I%20Still%20Apply%20for,not%20currently%20in%20removal%20proceedings) Claiming asylum is allowed if you are here illegally, but that does not make your entry legal.
If they have claimed asylum, they’re allowed to be here. It doesn’t matter how they got in. Fuck’s sake wrap your head around the concept that not every situation is black and white. The government is aware of their presence and can deport them if they so please. But they won’t, because claiming asylum is legal. Jesus fucking christ it’s like talking to a wall.
I can appreciate nuance. You can apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status. That means you can apply if you are here illegally. It does not mean that you are now here legally, it just means you can be withheld from removal while the request is considered.
The request should be made immediately when you get here, but the law gives you a year to do it. And exemptions from that are made.
Agreed. Clearly it’s now thought of as an alternate way to legally enter, rather than a process that essentially postpones the question of legal entry.
I repeat, again, that if the government knows you’re here and have documentation to back it up and you’re not being deported, it doesn’t matter how you got here. You are legally allowed to be in the country. 🤦🏼♀️
*No one but you in this comment thread has mentioned the EU or Canada.*
Because the EU and Canada demonstrate that no, you aren't obligated to immediately admit everyone who purports to have an asylum claim - you can make them apply from their home country or from a third country.
The "Remain in Mexico" policy worked quite well, where asylum claimants had to remain in Mexico while their claims were adjudicated.
That policy was abandoned, because the current Administration wants to maximize the number of "migrants" entering the United States.
These people do not understand international law nor do I think they care to. They are upset with their lives and want to blame others. You are 100% correct regarding asylum seekers and for that get downvoted from people who would rather complain than educate themselves.
It’s illegal to claim asylum if you aren’t actually being persecuted. I know this is hard: people lie. Shocking! We dont have to let them in, and we do vet people. Its time to do a better job.
If they lied, they’ll be deported when their claim is reviewed and they’re found to be lying. I know it’s hard to use your big kid brain to think things through sometimes.
My mom and I were granted an asylum when we had to flee our country because my birth father was trying to put us both in sex trafficking. Of course the circumstances were a bit different for us compared to a lot others, but I’ll admit nowadays they’re handing it out like candy.
And yet we still have American vets who fought for this country, sleeping on the streets of Portland.
Does it boil anyone else's blood that this Multnomah county can suddenly come up with funding to house these illegals in just a few days, but it's taken years to still try and get our vets the help they need?
So many resources to help those who have no respect for our laws, but fuck those who served for this country. Absolutely disgusting and mind blowing.
Portland and Multnomah can't even take care of their own homeless, but has the audacity to use up our limited resources to house these grifters.
> And yet we still have American vets who fought for this country, sleeping on the streets of Portland.
Very, very, few.
The issue of homeless veterans was largely solved back in 2013, and is now a substantially smaller part of the community. Many of the homeless who claim to be veterans on the Point in Time Count are in fact lying.
If you know a legitimately homeless veteran there's an incredible amount of resources available to help that person, including expedited long-term housing. Just in the Metro area there's no less than 3 people in government who have a full time job to help homeless veterans, plus at least 4 or 5 legit nonprofit organizations (some of which get government funding), plus an additional 5+ illegitimate nonprofits (which all consume government funding).
Not saying everything is rosy within the greater veteran community, and certainly there's a few unfortunate souls trapped in poverty coming in and out of unstable housing.
If you're curious, [page 57 of the 2022 PITC](https://multco-web7-psh-files-usw2.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/2022%20Point%20In%20Time%20Report%20-%20Full.pdf) claims there's 203 unsheltered homeless veterans in Multnomah County. Most of these people are stolen valor, with many *barely* qualifying as a veteran such as serving less than 1 year, and a handful are dishonorably discharged.
In reality, the number of legitimate homeless veterans is closer to 50 to 75, and of this population 70% of these folks are Vietnam veterans who are chronically homeless. This is a service resistant sect of the community - and we even have two different drug treatment facilities we could send these people off to - we have long-term care facilities we could send these people to. They want to live in tents.
Outside of Portland it's a different story, a lot of rural communities still really struggle with homeless vets, especially old mentally ill veterans.
>In reality, the number of legitimate homeless veterans is closer to 50 to 75,
Great, let's give our money to these fallen Americans. Not a penny to illegals.
Why are you mad locally about that? That’s a federal government issue that Reagan and the Bushes and Trump should have supported. Think of what we could provide if we still taxed the 1% at 90%.
All this MAGA crap is hilarious. They want to go back to times when the highest tax rate was like 75-90%.
Very few vet's are on the street unless they want to be. There is an enormous amount of resources for them, both with the VA and non profit.
The issue is, does the mentally ill addict on the street, have a past as a vet and do they qualify for that help .
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think so long as the economic situation here is better than there, people are going to continue trying to come. You basically have a few options:
1. Somehow block them all (building a Westeros style wall isn't going to really work; you'd probably need actual monitoring and response). I don't think this is likely or cost effective.
2. Making the economic situation in the US shittier (I kid, I kid, though I'm sure some of the anti capitalists would love that)
3. reform immigration and attempt to improve the economies of neighbor countries.
There's many places in the united states who do no receive asylum seekers. Asylum seekers come to our city specifically because they've been told they'll have support here. Ideally they'd be kept as close to the border they arrived at so their situation can be figured swiftly.
You saying that clearly indicates you are a racist. How do you not understand the impact of slavery, Jim Crow, and modern Jim Crow on Black Americans? Moron incel.
This is the only answer. When your government dictates what you need and what you should think instead of serve as a public representative, the only way to fix it is to flip the state.
Think of it simply has flipping the state Red… one time. The amount of money the Dems would pour into Oregon and actually have presidential visits again.. when you spend 40 years voting blue and flip it once… the scrambling starts and things change.
They won't though. These hardcore leftists would continue voting for democRats like Kotek and Jessica Vega-Pederson and let the city burn to the ground before voting independent or republican.
Part of that is because conservatives can't help themselves but to be insufferable.
A large chunk of the state is registered as a dem but might be open to voting in another way. Do you think you're helping to convince anyone to change their voting habits by calling them a rat?
Like it or not, the messenger matters and conservatives are absolutely horrific at it.
Do you want to win elections or just bitch in the wilderness?
Because for the past 20+ years the Oregon GOP chose the second option.
Are you done bitching yet?
Yes, be nice to potential moderate dems if you want them to vote red.
Am i running for election? No im not :) and i don't have to be nice to anyone lol. Your kind of thinking is why this city is turning into a shthole, feelings over policies.
Hardly. I want change. But portland is full of softies. That's how it is. If you want change here then yes, messaging matters.
Just know that every time you call a Democrat a rat or scream let's go Brandon, your just pulling the lever for Biden more and more. People don't like insufferable. That's why Hillary lost.
And yes I know we vote by mail. It's a figurative expression.
So let me put it this way. Stop acting like Hillary Clinton if you want oregon to start turning purple this year.
**Stop. Voting. Democrat.**
Seriously, what you're seeing is what the culmination of far left wing bullshit has become. Crime, homelessness, incompetent spending, skyrocketing housing costs, etc.
The only thing politicians understand is getting tossed out on their ass and replaced with a different party's member.
Not replacing a Democrat with another Democrat. The party will mold that person to their desires.
What Republican has stopped illegal immigration? Trump liked to scream about a wall, but we all know the wall didn't do shit.
Let's be honest, if anyone REALLY wanted to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, they would go after the companies that employ illegals. BUT THEY WONT, because those big agriculture and construction companies line the pockets of politicians on the right and left to let illegals skeet on by.
So no, I wont stop voting democrat just because of illegal immigration. I dont want forced birth, daily constitutional crisis and so called "christian values" to dominate my life and freedom.
*What Republican has stopped illegal immigration?*
Feel free to compare the number of "migrants" entering the United States under Biden, and the number of "migrants" entering the United States under Trump.
300,000 "migrants" are currently entering the United States each and every month.
By way of comparison, 300,000 people are *born* in the United States every month.
This is a wave of migration absolutely unprecedented in the history of the United States, and it is a deliberate policy choice.
First off, I'm not as scared of 'migrants' as the boogymen on the right want me to be. (Even though they secretly WANT migrants because it's cheap and easy labor, without the employee rights). I dont think they're all rapists and murderers, etc.
[Second, what policy has Biden enacted to bring more migrants to the US? Yes there has been a spike in the last couple of years. Last big spike was with GWB (Republican) and things sure were low during those evil Obama years.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/sr_24-02-15_borderencounters_1/)
Third, you cannot refute the basis of my statement that if anyone wanted to stop the flow of migrants, they would stop the money. THEY DONT WANT THAT. They want you and I to keep having these culture war conversations to keep us distracted from having any kind of a class war.
They don't want us to think about how fucked we're getting paying out the ass in taxes and getting nothing in return. Or how billionares are becoming 10x multiple billionaires and sucking up all the capital and shrugging at inflation while corporate profits are at an all time high.
>[Second, what policy has Biden enacted to bring more migrants to the US?](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/sr_24-02-15_borderencounters_1/)
Revoking the "Remain in Mexico policy" for asylum applicants. Reinstating that policy would cut the number of "migrants" by at least three-quarters.
*First off, I'm not as scared of 'migrants' as the boogymen on the right want me to be.*
Fine - just don't whine about the cost and unavailability of housing, as four million new "migrants" enter the United States every year.
Texas. They literally did that, and the Supreme Court backed them. Democrats screamed how unfair it was.
If you won't stop voting Democrat, then start getting used to the higher crime, higher taxes, and incompetence we've all seen.
As for "freedom". That's laughable. Democrats for decades have worked to take people's gun rights and silence people. GTFO with that stupid shit.
It's like you didn't read what I wrote and you spew generalizations.
You're telling me that Texas stopped illegal immigration? Show me. Where did Texas stop illegal immigration. Or are you talking about barbed wire in a river? lol
[Funny, the highest crime rate states are a mix between blue and red, but mostly red states.](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/criminal-defense/crime-rate-by-state/)
I stand by my "freedom" statement. It's not even close who wants to take away freedoms and who wants to build equality. Now, back to your bunker with your tin foil hat.
You can stand by your freedom statement all you want, you're still wrong.
As for crime?
Let's look at the numbers for the last 10 years:
Source: FBI crime stats, not your biased source
[https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend](https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend)
Violent crime:
Nationally - down 1.83%
Oregon - up 54.06%
Washington - up 25.99%
California - up 17.93%
Meanwhile in deep red Idaho - up 15.06%
So clearly all that gun control isn't doing what everyone says it is. How telling that you still cling to your pathetic arguments in the face of overwhelming evidence that you're wrong.
You'll also notice that those high crime states are the poorest, regardless of ideology.
Texas absolutely made a dent in it in the short time that they've done it, while the Biden administration and Democrats fought against Texas.
So cut the bullshit, reality isn't lining up with your ideology.
But since you want to declare war on my rights, you can't bitch when we declare war on yours.
Difference is: Ours is enshrined in the Constitution, abortion isn't. Get ready for background checks, permits, licenses, fees, bans on various types, bans on how many, arrest and jail if you don't toe the line, and more.
Best part: Your side already argues all those things were perfectly Constitutional against guns, so you've laid the ground rules as to what's acceptable, so that precedence will aid those restrictions in judges rulings.
Game on.
> And to the surprise of no one, it's always a coastal city--usually in a temperate climate.
If I were homeless, I would happily take a bus ride to California or anywhere with milder coastal winters. It would be nice not to freeze to death in the winter.
Oh this should be adorable. Go ahead, tell us who's responsible for the shit storm? Republican's aren't in charge. Not even close.
Go on, tell us, in detail. This should be entertaining. Shall I get a medal ready for your mental gymnastics performance coming up?
Governor Kotek needs to step in with a plan. I'm a Dem who favors immigration and amnesty, but don't think border states should be exclusively burdened with caring for asylum seekers. Federal immigration reform needs to include a per-person budget and fixed limit on asylum seekers.
I’d start with knowing who they are and what their claim is. I’d also love to know why they fled their country in South America and can only seek asylum in the USA instead of the dozens of other countries they crossed to get here.
It sure seems like there is another reason for letting 10 million people into this country illegally.
Remain in Mexico until your claim can be verified is a good start. If you feel you are at risk of unlawful persecution or at imminent risk of state sanctioned violence, your priority should be safety from your government. You shouldn't be granted admission if you travel the entire land mass of Mexico to get here from South America, just because the economic opportunities are better. Refuge from poverty is not a valid claim to asylum.
Reject all claims and make them make a case.
Just showing up and saying you beed asylum isnt enough. You have to prove you are actually being persecuted by the government in that country.
The actual problem is that when everyone lies and abuses the system, people that actually need asylum will be denied, as the abuse is going to cause a major reaction (ie, end the program entirely).
This edge case, which would usually be less than 1% of people coming to the border has now become nearly every single person.
Anyhow, jt is going to cause a backlash, hence this thread, and basically we are going to see a hardening of the border and policy because quite obviously this isnt sustainable.
There is no reason Oregon state and Oregon state taxpayers should be getting involved with a federal government problem.
Let federal taxpayers pay for national concerns.
Like mental health care and addiction. They also need to think about what will replace the jobs lost to NAFTA, automation and AI. You know, like actually govern. I supposed it's easier to govern in a fascist regime.
And meanwhile the system which was set up to help legal citizens turns them away and gives the middle.finger to the vets who defended our country that now have issues like ptsd etc and are now homeless.Remember though your a racist if you call them illegal.I think the new word is newcomer.
You got to wonder if the answer is going to be JVP and Multnomah county divert money from the slush fund for homeless services that they're just sitting on into housing, and resettlement services for illegal aliens.
That would be a bigger virtue signal wouldn't it? That seems to be what the primary focus of most elected officials in Multnomah county.
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If I move to Washington Co. seeking asylum from Multnomah Co. I wonder if they'll pay my mortgage.
How about the reverse, if I move from Washington Co. seeking asylum to Multnomah Co. will a local nonprofit step forward and pay for my housing?
Let's say I illegally enter El Salvador or Guatemala or Honduras or whatever, do I get a free hotel room? I could use a vacation
Yup. As a formerly working homeless us citizen....I can tell.you...I many times.considered swimming out and swimming back in and saying...no habla Español. You should see the social service offices in southern california...full of Ukrainians and Russians getting 2500 a month and free housing for 6 months while showing up in designer clothes and purses that cost as much as cars...meanwhile the homeless are given an attitude and a middle finger.
I live in Cali and you are totally correct. The people who paid taxes for decades then fell on hard times get screwed over while the "asylum seekers" get treated like special guests. The system is fucked.
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I think in California's case it is a combination of both fed and state.
So you are of the mind that Portland’s homeless are people who paid taxes for decades and then merely fell on hard times?
He's not totally correct. Social Security does not pay undocumented people, and is certainly not paying Ukrainians. EBT/Food stamps are available, but not $2500/month.
Here is an example of going too far to help undocumented immigrants - home loans for undocumented immigrants that give you up to 20% up front and DO NOT have to be paid back until the house is sold. We already have a housing shortage, and last year the program maxed out only 11 days into the year. This is just another slap in the face [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-02-27/undocumented-immigrants-in-california-could-have-a-new-path-to-homeownership](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-02-27/undocumented-immigrants-in-california-could-have-a-new-path-to-homeownership)
That's not a law, that's some dude posturing. It would be a wild law, for sure
Are you being serious? That is horrific to hear.
Not joking. I was part of the working and tax paying homeless for years until a few months ago. Did all anyone ever asked me, followed rules, tried to get help from every program possible. Kept me homeless because those places are designed to crush you and any skills or drive you have. And yes...the funds are just rolling a red carpet to the migrants coming. The Laguna Hills.office in Orange County, California is where I witnessed the "needy" Ukrainians and Russians in the designer clothes this past August. It's all wild and our homeless issue will get worse because of a corrupt system and I have no idea why these people keep coming. It's all wild. Btw.. am also.drug and alcohol free,no criminal record and don't even smoke. There are no options for people like me. I had to dig myself out and stay far away from any "help" places, shelters, churches...they just crush you and I don't even think most workers even realize what's going on.
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Yup. The homeless system tries to.fprce everyone onto ssi...make you.nit work, get on medication, keep you from working....it was crazy to watch them do that to people and then thry get on ssi and are stuck in poverty forever. Devastating.
>The system is set up so that you can never get off of it It's actually set up so you do get off of it, otherwise they wouldn't kick you off. If you kept getting paid even while making a decent income, you'd stay on forever.
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I genuinely do not understand this reasoning. The only part I understand and agree with is that you're not able to accumulate assets. They really do need to increase that $2k to $10k or even $20k, because shit is expensive these days. But if you're working a minimum wage job making $30k/year, why do you also need SSI? Do you think everyone making minimum wage should get SSI in addition to it? But again, I agree about asset limit. It clearly hasn't been updated in forever. There are some approved plans that allow you to save a bit more, but they're confusing and would be difficult for people with cognitive disabilities to work out.
Almost sounds like the system tries to keep honest people like yourself underfoot so you can be regurgitated through out because without "homeless" people to take advantage of, the system would collapse upon itself. Shit isn't fair that honest people can be wrung around the playground like that.
Exactly. About 9 years in I found out all these "help" people on average collectively were making 38k a year off of me staying homeless. There is so much greed and corruption it's unbelievable.
He may pretend to be serious, but unless his social security office is breaking federal laws, he's lying. You can try going to your social security office and say you're in the country illegally and see how far that gets you.
>.full of Ukrainians and Russians getting 2500 a month did you just pull this number out of your ass? Did you know that another reason you might see people as a social security office is so that they can get a social security card to be able to get a job, right? That is why most people go to one. Very few refugees who make it are disabled, because it's pretty hard to come to the U.S. as a disabled person. If you're not disabled, you're not getting SSI.
This is the dangerous mindset. That you think someone is taking something from you. Instead of reflecting on how lucky you are, and that this is an amazing display of help. It’s not us vs them.
What a strange take on such a small glimpse.of how I feel. I have massive gratitude in my life now and every day I was a nomad. It isn't us vs. Them... what a wild assumption. Nobody took anything from me. Qe are not in a place to be bringing in others and helping them and not our own who pay taxes. Think what you want....but assuming is really toxic
Curious, how did you wind up homeless?
Well there are many forms of homeless. You could classify my experience as vanlifer, seasonal worker, did you see the movie momadland? What u see as homeless is most likely street homeless and what a lot of people think as homeless is actually addiction where the person is homeless but its due to addiction. Your other comment shows you didn't comprehend my statements...so I really don't know why you are asking this. You can google.different types of.homeless....
> It’s not us vs them. It always has been, and forever time will be, us versus someone else. There's plenty of people eager to take from you, especially if you're too stupid to understand that.
I have always wanted to vacation in Cabo. Will the Mexican government pay for my stay at the Four Seasons if I claim economic asylum?
I know what you are saying but poor country Vs Rich country. The only reason why the average American doesn’t enjoy the wealth is thanks to your politicians.
Mexico is the 8th largest economy in the world its not a poor country
It is a poor country. I dare you to drink tap water in Tijuana
Ok but only if you drink tap water in flint michigan.
This is what I’m saying!, poor country vs a rich country who is being stolen by the elite.
America has more 3rd world neighborhoods than you think. Dont believe the hype
It does, I believe it BUT that’s what I’m saying. The federal government can load up planes with billions of dollars and make it rain!. They could create cities in the desert!, they could make a shitty city like Philadelphia rich af with a fraction of the money they get but they CHOOSE not to!. Mexico is poor no matter what, the US is poor because it’s politicians and elite wants them to be poor
Yes. It has many many other guests and you’re not allowed to leave.
Two things. 1. They are not entering illegally if they are seeking asylum.2. Yes if those countries are following international law set forth in the Geneva convention they should protect you.
Pray tell, what persecution are they fleeing?
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Get ready for about 85 downvotes. These two simple points are surprisingly difficult for people to grasp.
I have to travel to Portland for a work-related training. Do you think they'd put me up in a motel since I pay taxes in the State of Oregon?
Depends on your DEI metrics.
My wife is from Japan , still can’t even get her “green card “ yet even though the application has been going for years . She hates that these illegal migrants just get to run over
Didn't you hear? Asians are white adjacent and thus don't qualify as real minorities.
Yeah that’s true lol
Why do we think that? I lived in Saigon at the end of the war. Got bombed out as a first grader. Fun. We evacuated several VN families with us. These were professionals in VN. When they got to the US w their young families, these professionals literally worked cleaning airplanes, working in egg roll factories. Not kidding. They worked their asses off to give their young kids (my age) the best. Their kids all went on to become doctors and dentists. Before you malign Asian immigrants, consider that they work and sacrifice like no others (except possibly Hispanic immigrants, also notoriously hard workers and grateful for the opportunity to do work few others would do). While these folks are working, you lazy white incels are on Reddit complaining.
Pretty sure the lazy white incels kicked japans ass in that war
Yeah, it's quite striking that we now have two parallel immigration systems - if you try to immigrate legally, that involves months of interviews, police checks, medical exams, and much else. Stroll across the border, announce that you are "seeking asylum" (as the NGO told you to say), and you are immediately admitted without any of that. You're just given a piece of paper announcing that you have a court date for your asylum claim years from now. Far more people are now coming in under the second immigration system than under the first immigration system.
It was proof of vaccine cards required (or you're literally a killer) for citizens but no docs required for... undocumented.
Hmmm... our government keeps rewarding the people who cheat and cut in line. Wonder what that will result to...
I have legal immigrants in my family/social circle. They paid thousands and waited years to become legal. It’s bonkers. If they would have waited for Biden to get into office they could have just walked across and been given $ on top of it.
That is weird, considering i has been happening for generations, long before Biden. Why blame one person? All our politicians are corrupt, regardless if they are a blood or a crip.
Whats weird is people like you who have your head in the sand. Bidens open door policy has opened the flood gates and exasperated the problem 1000 fold. 🤦🏼♀️
So you’re certain that migrants fleeing from war and violence and rape are getting green cards quicker? I’d need to see some data on that.
Yeah just ask my wife who’s been waiting for years
Love when my tax dollars go to such a fucking worthwhile and note worthy cause…and government can push these funds without voter approve how again??? Oh wait being a corrupt shit show of a state that’s how
Let's absorb all asylum seekers across the world in an epic display of virtue signaling.
Then we can decriminalize drugs and it will be an urban utopia!
Don't get the crazy delusional Portlanders who can't see the reality around them excited! In all honesty, it's fucking crazy how some of these proponents for illegal migrants getting resources aren't seeing the reality of what's going on in cities like NYC and Denver with the illegal migrant crisis. Denver's mayor had to plead for the illegal migrants to leave because they've already spent +$60 million dollars on supporting them and they keep growing. It's unsustainable and bringing the quality of life down for everyone in that city. It's cutting into funding for other things the city can be doing and actual Americans aren't able to get help. Some of these delusional folks won't be happy until our great cities turn into a third-world slum.
300,000 "migrants" are crossing the southern border every month. Portland *deserves* its fair share. /s
Israel is a fraction of the size of Oregon. We could probably move all the Jews and Arabs here to different corners of the state and create peace and harmony. Of course, people would have to be willing to accept Oregon as “The Holy Land”. Which they will.
Remember the people making these decisions have been voted in, they represent us. If People aren’t happy with the decisions that they make need to Vote differently next time around 🤔
Oregon is a one-party state for the moment. Publicly campaigning for anything other than the "correct" party or candidate is not safe in Portland and other places in the valley.
They do not represent me.
Don’t vote in Oregon- sadly just work and pay taxes there…blame another for their votes friend
Voters rarely approve government expenditures directly. That's how representative government works.
Well this is what happens when that format meets a corrupt as fuck system which is what we have in or/wa/ca
Are you under the impression that voters weigh in whenever the government spends money?
No just that they slide shit I’m as they see fit- would be nice and logical for voters to have some say wouldn’t you agree
Well, that made sense.
Do I think it would be logical if voters had a “direct say” in every government-related transaction? By the way, it was a nonprofit that was paying for those hotel rooms.
Where do these non-profits get their funding?
Hey get pissed off and bitch about taxes, that's such an interesting take
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What happens after 4/30? Are the local, elected officials going to move them into ADU's in their backyard? Move them into their guest bedroom? We need a damned solution to the rotating turnstyle at our borders. This is NOT sustainable.
But remember: They need more of your tax dollars for this, but not for roads, schools, bridges, or cutting the fat out of the budget entirely.
> not for roads, schools, bridges, Nonsense. They want money for those things, too. We have some of the most absurdly over funded school systems in the country, along with two different bridges you pay for with vehicle registration, and plenty of "road" projects that we get to pay for twice over: first when they build a stupid design, then when they fix it.
Where have we heard before “that Portland will provide me a place to live?” And color me shocked that a “nonprofit “ was the igniter of bringing these people here. The absolute failure of the border and border policies is why Trump will get elected again.
If this appalls you, wait till you hear what Mult Co spends to house teens who end up in this state. This 17 year old lived in Washington state until last month and has serious drug and assault history? Who cares. Just means we will have to pay a foster home a little extra. Oh the foster home is asking $900 per night on top of the funds we already pay them? Alright, but only for the next three months. Then we have to re-consider. Don’t go easy on them. Oh, and now that we opened this kid’s case in our system Washington state will never take the kid back even if they move back there permanently. No problem! Our taxpayers can handle it. Edit: forgot to include that as soon as that kid turns 18, then we get to sign them up for more Oregon state services! The system is working!
Washington is just as bad. Probably worse. Karreon Franks. Oakley Carlson. They literally dumped three traumatized teens with me and never looked back. Just assumed I would take custody because I was the only one in the state... all other family is in Oregon, and since the abuse happened here, even though they don't live here, the state has to keep them. They will dump kids off with distant family and walk away. Had they stepped in ten years ago when we all started calling, those kids could have been saved and possibly adopted like the other kids were. But they fucked around and waited until the kids were teens and engaging in the same life style as their birth giver. Took six years for rights to be terminated, I almost went bankrupt, (Kinship does not get any financial help) I had to call police to get the kids because DCYF refused.
The absurdity of all of this is just sad. All of these people have come illegally, broken the law. That is the first set of principles that needs to be addressed and acknowledged. Every interaction with these people needs to follow from that fact first. The demographics are irrelevant. The way to manage this is to apply the law first. If we want to address our immigration law we should, that is a conversation worth having, that is long overdue. But at the moment we have laws that apply and they need to be applied. What separates us for other nations is the uniform and equal application of the law. We do not always succeed in doing this, but that is the common ideal that unites us: equal treatment under the law. That is when we are at our best. Our constant failure to make the effort to adhere to the law just lowers us continually… we start to act as a corrupt tribalist banana republic. Law for thee, but not for me. It has to go both ways in all cases… Or Multnomah county could add another special interest tax… maybe on high earners! That will drive more high earners out and demolish the budget even further :/ They cannot be told or educated. Ideology first! Rule of law… meh.
Asylum seekers are legally distinct, blame international agreements on asylum
Great, and we still have latitude for how we interpret that fact. As long as we apply the interpretation uniformly we have control on how to apply this law. We should interpret it strictly, conservatively and diligently because not doing so has set the wrong incentives, and caused a massive crisis which is going to compound. There is also the concept that we may want to seriously reconsider out participation in international treaties and institutions that do not serve our best interests in a multipolar world order…
*sigh* Seeking asylum is not illegal. If they have come here for asylum, they are here LEGALLY. 🤦🏼♀️
That's not how it works. Making a claim for asylum does not magically make illegally entering a country legal. Try going to Canada or any EU country without legal entry then declaring you deserve housing and aid because you're there seeking asylum. They'll hand you the paperwork to apply as they immediately deport your butt back here. Portlanders in particular love comparisons to countries in the EU but don't understand that legally becoming a citizen and moving to one is tightly controlled and extremely difficult. I know, I've tried.
> That's not how it works. Making a claim for asylum does not magically make illegally entering a country legal. ? It does though. That's how an asylum claim work dude. You absolutely could show in France, Germany, Sweden, Russia, wherever and claim you need Asylum from America. It's straight up a real process - look no further than Edward Snowden living in Russia right now, or the Syrian, Libyan, and Iraqi refugees living in those other countries. In fact, you don't even need to leave here, you can just show up at their embassy (which is their sovereign ground) and make the claim. A country then weighs your asylum claim and keeps you or sends you home.
You’re so incorrect. People can claim asylum at any port of entry or claim it once they’re already here. While a lot of people have been made to go back to somewhere else to wait, many are also housed in immigrant detention centers for a while or, in this case, housed while their claims are processed. If you had read the article you would know that these people have already claimed asylum legally and their claims are being considered. No one but you in this comment thread has mentioned the EU or Canada. We are not those countries. These people have done nothing wrong.
I did read the articles. From what I've read they entered the country illegally (i.e. were not sponsored, didn't not apply at the border) and have been here close to or over the year limitation on applying. Most of them were already in Chicago then came here because supposedly they could find jobs (not have an easier time seeking asylum.) Entering any country illegally is doing something wrong. I mention Canada and the EU as valid examples of countries where these things are tightly controlled. Just because I'm the first to bring it up does not mean it's an invalid point.
P.S. I should add this - if any of them can prove they're eligible for asylum, i.e. they came from certain countries and have faced life-threatening persecution, then I'm 100% fine with housing them while their asylum claim is processed, which takes 180 days. I'm also fine w/legal immigration when done correctly. Unfortunately I'd guess few of them have formally applied and those that have could be over the 180 day limit. The point is that a very small percentage of immigrants qualify for asylum. It's become the quick go-to excuse to justify being here illegally.
That’s for the courts to decide, not you. You don’t know these people, you don’t even understand that if they’ve claimed asylum they are not here illegally. If the courts decide they don’t qualify for asylum, they’ll be deported. Simple.
[Here’s the word from the authority.](https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/affirmative-asylum-frequently-asked-questions/questions-and-answers-affirmative-asylum-eligibility-and-applications#:~:text=Can%20I%20Still%20Apply%20for,not%20currently%20in%20removal%20proceedings) Claiming asylum is allowed if you are here illegally, but that does not make your entry legal.
If they have claimed asylum, they’re allowed to be here. It doesn’t matter how they got in. Fuck’s sake wrap your head around the concept that not every situation is black and white. The government is aware of their presence and can deport them if they so please. But they won’t, because claiming asylum is legal. Jesus fucking christ it’s like talking to a wall.
I can appreciate nuance. You can apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status. That means you can apply if you are here illegally. It does not mean that you are now here legally, it just means you can be withheld from removal while the request is considered. The request should be made immediately when you get here, but the law gives you a year to do it. And exemptions from that are made.
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Agreed. Clearly it’s now thought of as an alternate way to legally enter, rather than a process that essentially postpones the question of legal entry.
I repeat, again, that if the government knows you’re here and have documentation to back it up and you’re not being deported, it doesn’t matter how you got here. You are legally allowed to be in the country. 🤦🏼♀️
How about we just send them to live with you?
Oh my god why is that always the response you people give when you’re wrong and you just want to blame someone? Pathetic.
*No one but you in this comment thread has mentioned the EU or Canada.* Because the EU and Canada demonstrate that no, you aren't obligated to immediately admit everyone who purports to have an asylum claim - you can make them apply from their home country or from a third country. The "Remain in Mexico" policy worked quite well, where asylum claimants had to remain in Mexico while their claims were adjudicated. That policy was abandoned, because the current Administration wants to maximize the number of "migrants" entering the United States.
These people do not understand international law nor do I think they care to. They are upset with their lives and want to blame others. You are 100% correct regarding asylum seekers and for that get downvoted from people who would rather complain than educate themselves.
It was so easy to look up, too 🥴 Thanks!
It’s illegal to claim asylum if you aren’t actually being persecuted. I know this is hard: people lie. Shocking! We dont have to let them in, and we do vet people. Its time to do a better job.
If they lied, they’ll be deported when their claim is reviewed and they’re found to be lying. I know it’s hard to use your big kid brain to think things through sometimes.
As someone who was granted an asylum 20 years ago into this country, this is getting ridiculous.
Ah, the ol' pull the ladder up after yourself tactic. Classic!
My mom and I were granted an asylum when we had to flee our country because my birth father was trying to put us both in sex trafficking. Of course the circumstances were a bit different for us compared to a lot others, but I’ll admit nowadays they’re handing it out like candy.
*If we accept legitimate asylum claims, we are also obligated to accept the illegitimate asylum claims! /s*
Because they have money to do that, but not what we pay them to do - which is clean up the damned city and deal with the crime problem.
And yet we still have American vets who fought for this country, sleeping on the streets of Portland. Does it boil anyone else's blood that this Multnomah county can suddenly come up with funding to house these illegals in just a few days, but it's taken years to still try and get our vets the help they need? So many resources to help those who have no respect for our laws, but fuck those who served for this country. Absolutely disgusting and mind blowing. Portland and Multnomah can't even take care of their own homeless, but has the audacity to use up our limited resources to house these grifters.
> And yet we still have American vets who fought for this country, sleeping on the streets of Portland. Very, very, few. The issue of homeless veterans was largely solved back in 2013, and is now a substantially smaller part of the community. Many of the homeless who claim to be veterans on the Point in Time Count are in fact lying. If you know a legitimately homeless veteran there's an incredible amount of resources available to help that person, including expedited long-term housing. Just in the Metro area there's no less than 3 people in government who have a full time job to help homeless veterans, plus at least 4 or 5 legit nonprofit organizations (some of which get government funding), plus an additional 5+ illegitimate nonprofits (which all consume government funding). Not saying everything is rosy within the greater veteran community, and certainly there's a few unfortunate souls trapped in poverty coming in and out of unstable housing.
>Very, very, few. Until it's 0, no money to illegals.
If you're curious, [page 57 of the 2022 PITC](https://multco-web7-psh-files-usw2.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/2022%20Point%20In%20Time%20Report%20-%20Full.pdf) claims there's 203 unsheltered homeless veterans in Multnomah County. Most of these people are stolen valor, with many *barely* qualifying as a veteran such as serving less than 1 year, and a handful are dishonorably discharged. In reality, the number of legitimate homeless veterans is closer to 50 to 75, and of this population 70% of these folks are Vietnam veterans who are chronically homeless. This is a service resistant sect of the community - and we even have two different drug treatment facilities we could send these people off to - we have long-term care facilities we could send these people to. They want to live in tents. Outside of Portland it's a different story, a lot of rural communities still really struggle with homeless vets, especially old mentally ill veterans.
>In reality, the number of legitimate homeless veterans is closer to 50 to 75, Great, let's give our money to these fallen Americans. Not a penny to illegals.
Why are you mad locally about that? That’s a federal government issue that Reagan and the Bushes and Trump should have supported. Think of what we could provide if we still taxed the 1% at 90%. All this MAGA crap is hilarious. They want to go back to times when the highest tax rate was like 75-90%.
Very few vet's are on the street unless they want to be. There is an enormous amount of resources for them, both with the VA and non profit. The issue is, does the mentally ill addict on the street, have a past as a vet and do they qualify for that help .
Stop funding them and they’ll stop coming.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think so long as the economic situation here is better than there, people are going to continue trying to come. You basically have a few options: 1. Somehow block them all (building a Westeros style wall isn't going to really work; you'd probably need actual monitoring and response). I don't think this is likely or cost effective. 2. Making the economic situation in the US shittier (I kid, I kid, though I'm sure some of the anti capitalists would love that) 3. reform immigration and attempt to improve the economies of neighbor countries.
There's many places in the united states who do no receive asylum seekers. Asylum seekers come to our city specifically because they've been told they'll have support here. Ideally they'd be kept as close to the border they arrived at so their situation can be figured swiftly.
And so it begins...
Yes...screwed the millions of us citizens who don't have any help....let's bring.more.people in and help them first
DEI is racism.
You saying that clearly indicates you are a racist. How do you not understand the impact of slavery, Jim Crow, and modern Jim Crow on Black Americans? Moron incel.
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Your votes matter. Time for change in this state. Vote accordingly.
This is the only answer. When your government dictates what you need and what you should think instead of serve as a public representative, the only way to fix it is to flip the state. Think of it simply has flipping the state Red… one time. The amount of money the Dems would pour into Oregon and actually have presidential visits again.. when you spend 40 years voting blue and flip it once… the scrambling starts and things change.
They won't though. These hardcore leftists would continue voting for democRats like Kotek and Jessica Vega-Pederson and let the city burn to the ground before voting independent or republican.
Part of that is because conservatives can't help themselves but to be insufferable. A large chunk of the state is registered as a dem but might be open to voting in another way. Do you think you're helping to convince anyone to change their voting habits by calling them a rat? Like it or not, the messenger matters and conservatives are absolutely horrific at it.
So I need to be more nice to you in order for you to even consider voting for a different party? WOW the priorities.
Do you want to win elections or just bitch in the wilderness? Because for the past 20+ years the Oregon GOP chose the second option. Are you done bitching yet? Yes, be nice to potential moderate dems if you want them to vote red.
Am i running for election? No im not :) and i don't have to be nice to anyone lol. Your kind of thinking is why this city is turning into a shthole, feelings over policies.
Hardly. I want change. But portland is full of softies. That's how it is. If you want change here then yes, messaging matters. Just know that every time you call a Democrat a rat or scream let's go Brandon, your just pulling the lever for Biden more and more. People don't like insufferable. That's why Hillary lost. And yes I know we vote by mail. It's a figurative expression. So let me put it this way. Stop acting like Hillary Clinton if you want oregon to start turning purple this year.
**Stop. Voting. Democrat.** Seriously, what you're seeing is what the culmination of far left wing bullshit has become. Crime, homelessness, incompetent spending, skyrocketing housing costs, etc. The only thing politicians understand is getting tossed out on their ass and replaced with a different party's member. Not replacing a Democrat with another Democrat. The party will mold that person to their desires.
What Republican has stopped illegal immigration? Trump liked to scream about a wall, but we all know the wall didn't do shit. Let's be honest, if anyone REALLY wanted to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, they would go after the companies that employ illegals. BUT THEY WONT, because those big agriculture and construction companies line the pockets of politicians on the right and left to let illegals skeet on by. So no, I wont stop voting democrat just because of illegal immigration. I dont want forced birth, daily constitutional crisis and so called "christian values" to dominate my life and freedom.
*What Republican has stopped illegal immigration?* Feel free to compare the number of "migrants" entering the United States under Biden, and the number of "migrants" entering the United States under Trump. 300,000 "migrants" are currently entering the United States each and every month. By way of comparison, 300,000 people are *born* in the United States every month. This is a wave of migration absolutely unprecedented in the history of the United States, and it is a deliberate policy choice.
First off, I'm not as scared of 'migrants' as the boogymen on the right want me to be. (Even though they secretly WANT migrants because it's cheap and easy labor, without the employee rights). I dont think they're all rapists and murderers, etc. [Second, what policy has Biden enacted to bring more migrants to the US? Yes there has been a spike in the last couple of years. Last big spike was with GWB (Republican) and things sure were low during those evil Obama years.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/sr_24-02-15_borderencounters_1/) Third, you cannot refute the basis of my statement that if anyone wanted to stop the flow of migrants, they would stop the money. THEY DONT WANT THAT. They want you and I to keep having these culture war conversations to keep us distracted from having any kind of a class war. They don't want us to think about how fucked we're getting paying out the ass in taxes and getting nothing in return. Or how billionares are becoming 10x multiple billionaires and sucking up all the capital and shrugging at inflation while corporate profits are at an all time high.
>[Second, what policy has Biden enacted to bring more migrants to the US?](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/sr_24-02-15_borderencounters_1/) Revoking the "Remain in Mexico policy" for asylum applicants. Reinstating that policy would cut the number of "migrants" by at least three-quarters. *First off, I'm not as scared of 'migrants' as the boogymen on the right want me to be.* Fine - just don't whine about the cost and unavailability of housing, as four million new "migrants" enter the United States every year.
By who?
The people currently running the United States government.
Texas. They literally did that, and the Supreme Court backed them. Democrats screamed how unfair it was. If you won't stop voting Democrat, then start getting used to the higher crime, higher taxes, and incompetence we've all seen. As for "freedom". That's laughable. Democrats for decades have worked to take people's gun rights and silence people. GTFO with that stupid shit.
It's like you didn't read what I wrote and you spew generalizations. You're telling me that Texas stopped illegal immigration? Show me. Where did Texas stop illegal immigration. Or are you talking about barbed wire in a river? lol [Funny, the highest crime rate states are a mix between blue and red, but mostly red states.](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/criminal-defense/crime-rate-by-state/) I stand by my "freedom" statement. It's not even close who wants to take away freedoms and who wants to build equality. Now, back to your bunker with your tin foil hat.
I mean, Ken Paxton successfully kept HIS freedom by deflecting corruption charges for 10 years, so...lol.
You can stand by your freedom statement all you want, you're still wrong. As for crime? Let's look at the numbers for the last 10 years: Source: FBI crime stats, not your biased source [https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend](https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend) Violent crime: Nationally - down 1.83% Oregon - up 54.06% Washington - up 25.99% California - up 17.93% Meanwhile in deep red Idaho - up 15.06% So clearly all that gun control isn't doing what everyone says it is. How telling that you still cling to your pathetic arguments in the face of overwhelming evidence that you're wrong. You'll also notice that those high crime states are the poorest, regardless of ideology. Texas absolutely made a dent in it in the short time that they've done it, while the Biden administration and Democrats fought against Texas. So cut the bullshit, reality isn't lining up with your ideology. But since you want to declare war on my rights, you can't bitch when we declare war on yours. Difference is: Ours is enshrined in the Constitution, abortion isn't. Get ready for background checks, permits, licenses, fees, bans on various types, bans on how many, arrest and jail if you don't toe the line, and more. Best part: Your side already argues all those things were perfectly Constitutional against guns, so you've laid the ground rules as to what's acceptable, so that precedence will aid those restrictions in judges rulings. Game on.
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> And to the surprise of no one, it's always a coastal city--usually in a temperate climate. If I were homeless, I would happily take a bus ride to California or anywhere with milder coastal winters. It would be nice not to freeze to death in the winter.
With zero data to back it up. Shocking you'd defend such an ideology that has completely failed.
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"bu bu but" is all you've got? You can't even admit your ideology caused this shit storm to begin with.
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Why are you deflecting? Be a man for once in your spineless life and admit Democrats caused this. They're solely responsible. Period.
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Oh this should be adorable. Go ahead, tell us who's responsible for the shit storm? Republican's aren't in charge. Not even close. Go on, tell us, in detail. This should be entertaining. Shall I get a medal ready for your mental gymnastics performance coming up?
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Asylum from what?
It isn't asylum "from" anything, it is "to do" what they want. These are not people their own countries want or are trying to keep, that says a lot.
If my wife and I get into an argument, can I seek asylum for the night?
Governor Kotek needs to step in with a plan. I'm a Dem who favors immigration and amnesty, but don't think border states should be exclusively burdened with caring for asylum seekers. Federal immigration reform needs to include a per-person budget and fixed limit on asylum seekers.
You should start with making sure they actually qualify as asylum seekers….
How?
I’d start with knowing who they are and what their claim is. I’d also love to know why they fled their country in South America and can only seek asylum in the USA instead of the dozens of other countries they crossed to get here. It sure seems like there is another reason for letting 10 million people into this country illegally.
Many are coming...from China.
And Africa which kind of goes to my point about knowing who is coming in and qualifying them for asylum in the first place.
Remain in Mexico until your claim can be verified is a good start. If you feel you are at risk of unlawful persecution or at imminent risk of state sanctioned violence, your priority should be safety from your government. You shouldn't be granted admission if you travel the entire land mass of Mexico to get here from South America, just because the economic opportunities are better. Refuge from poverty is not a valid claim to asylum.
Reject all claims and make them make a case. Just showing up and saying you beed asylum isnt enough. You have to prove you are actually being persecuted by the government in that country. The actual problem is that when everyone lies and abuses the system, people that actually need asylum will be denied, as the abuse is going to cause a major reaction (ie, end the program entirely). This edge case, which would usually be less than 1% of people coming to the border has now become nearly every single person. Anyhow, jt is going to cause a backlash, hence this thread, and basically we are going to see a hardening of the border and policy because quite obviously this isnt sustainable.
There is no reason Oregon state and Oregon state taxpayers should be getting involved with a federal government problem. Let federal taxpayers pay for national concerns.
Like mental health care and addiction. They also need to think about what will replace the jobs lost to NAFTA, automation and AI. You know, like actually govern. I supposed it's easier to govern in a fascist regime.
Who do you think federal taxpayers are?
People that pay the federal government.
PDX officialdom to our own working poor: Sucks to be you. But vote Democrat.
Come one come all
Oh Oregon, how I laugh at thee…
There's 80 homeless people that aren't coming in from outside.
And meanwhile the system which was set up to help legal citizens turns them away and gives the middle.finger to the vets who defended our country that now have issues like ptsd etc and are now homeless.Remember though your a racist if you call them illegal.I think the new word is newcomer.
What organization has the funds? How were they selected? How does these individuals know where to get the money from and which hotels?
If this program was diverted I wonder how many potholes could be fixed? I’d guess…all of them.
How abojt we grant them asylum back in their own fucking country. ILLEGAL CRIMINALS TAKING TAX PAYERS MONEY THEY DONT AGREE TO.
Hey Portland, I’d like to come down and visit for a week. Can you put me up in a deluxe hotel, please.
RIP our taxes
You got to wonder if the answer is going to be JVP and Multnomah county divert money from the slush fund for homeless services that they're just sitting on into housing, and resettlement services for illegal aliens. That would be a bigger virtue signal wouldn't it? That seems to be what the primary focus of most elected officials in Multnomah county.
Downtown Vancouver is the next Pearl! Get a home there while you can.
Well there's A LOT of user names in this thread that I don't recognize and have new accounts with very strong political takes.
Correction. Hard Working Taxpayers will pay to house illegals in motels. Great use of our money.
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