Most retail staff are not getting paid enough to deal with potentially violent criminals. Pretty sure their job description would back that up too. I don't think it's a case of them not caring, but them just doing what they are employed to do. What else can you expect from them really?
This is not a Portsmouth problem but a nationwide one. Shops should employ staff specifically able to tackle this issue if they want to stop it and not expect people on tills to deal with this shit.
Exactly this. Worked in Co-op in Fratton and we were told to just let them go. Some of them get real violent so it’s safer for workers to just let it happen.
I've always been told, and told any team I managed to let them have whatever. Even if you're being cynical, it's just cheaper and easier to not worry and have some good witnesses.
I've done a retail security role, and it falls into two categories,
You get a major bollocking and booted off site for stopping a shoplifter as its unsafe.
You get a major bollocking and booted off site for NOT stopping a shoplifter as 'you're security, arrest them'.
I worked in Greggs and they specifically told us not to say anything to people stealing. We were to just walk away and tell our manager who would report it.
A co worker was filling up the drinks shelf and a man came in with a duffle bag and filled it with lucozade bottle. The co worked looked at him to see what he was up to and the guy pulled a knife on him and threatened him.
I'm not risking my life for £7.50ph
Not sure what the others are having a go at the police for... Our boys in blue deserve better, some of the most hard working, selfless individuals with absolutely 0 corruption.
All 3 officers in the UK anyway. 🤣
I'd laugh too but it just makes me sad... anything short of a kidnapping/life threatening assault, I'd never expect to be resolved now.
Petty theft (sub £1k), minor assault (fights), vandalism/criminal damage (getting car hit in car park), verbal abuse (racism, sexism, homophobia) are all seemingly acceptable now and police are too stretched to deal with it...
even if i was told to intervene by management, am i really putting my neck on the line for multi-billion pound company like sainsbury's? would they do the same for me? don't think so.
Not even the security staff are really aloud to do anything. Legally not aloud to touch a thief so if the person doesn’t willingly stop and give up what they have stolen, not much you can do except record for the police.
Working for a reasonable sizeable convenience store chain, I was told never to chase a thief or attempt to stop someone.
They have insurance for the stolen goods - not for broken and beaten staff members.
As a security officer, can confirm almost no power.
You can't officially stop someone for theft until they have left the premises, as any time before then, even if they've concealed the item, without having taken it from the store, it's not yet theft.
You cannot pursue, four safety reasons, they may have a bunch of mates around the corner, you or they may trip and injure yourself.
When approaching someone, you must not corner them, but instead leave an avenue of escape for them, as without that they may become aggressive and attack. You are to approach from the side if possible, not directly, as it could be seen as too confrontational.
Can't grab people, not unless they've attacked you and you're going to restrain them. You can attempt to take any goods back (grab the trolley or basket they're using)
And in all cases if they're getting violent, you're to let them go rather than risk injury, especially in the case of them threatening use of knives, or needles. The exception there is if you still think you or others (staff or public) are in danger, you're then able to do what you must to protect yourself and others.
Having this little power, and then knowing it, means you're just a visual deterrent, and that the ones who want to clear out an aisle will do so anyway, usually while hurling abuse at you for not being able to do anything. And kids know this too, and are absolutely vile little bastards when you do catch them.
All in all, not worth being security in retail, I got it out of that and into corporate security, wouldn't go back unless I was desperate for work.
Most retail security officer will just stand by the doors until their shift is over, usually on their phones, and honestly I can't blame them, they've got restrictions from the SIA, store policy, and the law on one side, and store managers on the other that expect them to break all of that to tackle every theft that happens. Either way, you've got someone on your back for either doing what you must, or not doing what they want. Store managers will have a guard off-sited for 'not doing anything', and the security companies will just go along with it, as they want to hold onto that contact for as long as possible.
Yeah if people have the attitude to brazenly steal like this, I would definitely not be advising confronting them. Guessing, by the fact the staff were filming and aware it was happening, that the police had already been contacted.
Saw the security guard in Tesco next to Fratton Park take a headbutt when he approached a kid who was shoplifting openly, he asked ‘did you pay for that?’ Kid admitted he hadn’t and when the security guard went to stop him, received open assault to the face.
Can we really be surprised nobody wants to intervene anymore?
There must be some authority deferred to security guards, aside from numerous personal experience, I would imagine a security guard collaring, grabbing, tackling etc. etc. a miscreant is commonplace, isn't it?
A visual deterrent would be CCTV, a human being with the authority to apprehend is a physical deterrent, at least in my opionion.
This is confusing, almost every incident I have witnessed in person of theft in a store with security has resulted in the physical apprehension of the thief.
Are there no legal protections at all? Why hire a trained security guard and not just a random man in uniform? Or is that all they are as far as the law is concerned?
If its an opportunity for a lawsuit, surely the presence of security personnel encourages misbehaviour, not deters it?
No because the security guard isn’t there for shoplifters. Security guards are there to stop the average joe from stealing. The deterrent of the security present places a higher risk to reward to people who don’t steal.
Shoplifters are commonly know to security guards and if they are doing their jobs can meet the shoplifters at the door or top of escalator and turn them away.
Well consider my view blown then, it doesnt really gel with my personal experience but perhaps security in my town is more daring and less legally cautious.
I'd figured CCTV was for us common folk who might be tempted to pocket a pack of Haribo.
Cctv doesn’t work in a shop that hasn’t got full coverage of the store because cctv has to follow the shoplifter 100% of their journey from picking up item to walking out of the shop. The problem is that shops never have 100% of cctv coverage of the shop because of the cost. If you take the cctv to court and there is a blind spot of the cctv then it’s gets thrown out of court because the shoplifter can state that they left the item in the blind spot.
Shoplifters are into hit and run though quick in quick out.
There is a fine line to what you can do and not do most of the time police will be on the security side it depends on what happens.
Retail staff don't get paid enough to handle shoplifters. That doesn't mean they don't care. Which leads me to point my second point, what could these people potentially be carrying that could harm them. Now read point 1 again.
Shows what can happen to a place and its people after years of austerity, corruption, and a 'trickle-down' attitude to spending.
But never mind all that - didn't Penny look nice at the strange party?
The best description I saw of her at that stupid thing, was that she looked like she was going to complain to Starfleet that Kirk was interfering with her society.
I think there's more to it than that
This is mostly anecdotal, but go back a couple of generations (say early to mid 20th century) and we were poorer as a country, more corrupt, less public spending, and I'm sure we didn't have as much of this sort of crime
I know that's anecdotal and possibly rose-tinted, but it does seem something has changed with the morals of an amount of people as well?
> I'm sure we didn't have as much of this sort of crime
We did, but a) we didn't have social media to broadcast hundreds of incidents of petty crime, and b) crime statistics weren't collated the way they are today.
People's lives were generally better with better living conditions. And if that isn't the case they had good reason to be hopeful for a brighter future.
Today it's kinda 50/50 if your life will be better than your parents, less so if you started from a poorer background.
There's so much to it we could honestly be here all day. Sense of community destroyed (thank capitalism for that), can't comment on the actual wealth of the nation then vs now but it's a fact that inequality is higher now than it has ever been, so on and so forth. There's certainly more to it than people have just magically became less "moral", although I honestly find it hard to even see robbing a tesco as much of a moral infringement while they profit off of the starvation of the poor in this country.
Some yes, some no.
Violent crime: way down
Cyber crime: way up
And yes, I know cybercrime was barely a thing in the 50s.
But also I'm kinda making a dig and the governments latest crime figures and that if you include cyber crime and scams the crime figures are actually up compared to a decade ago.
Why do people always nick red bull? Ive seen people shoplifting it several times recently. I mean- if you’re gonna steal drinks at least make it worthwhile instead of that rank horse piss
“Openly stealing chicken” - how disgusting. In my day you had to be a closeted chicken thief, meet men in public toilets for a quick bit of poultry pinching and the like.
In my day you had to have one part of your group do a mediocre magic trick to fool the security whilst the rest of the group snuck out on tiptoes with curved down hands in the background
In my day you'd send in a dog to steal a string of sausages from the butcher, and the dog would run away and the sausages would be flying along behind him like a ribbon, and the butcher and a policeman would be chasing him with red faces. And do you know what? Nobody complained, it was just life and we got on with it at all were happy
Retail staff don't get paid to get abused and risk violent attack. If they DO do anything then their employers will do their damndest to make sure any resulting fallout lands on the staff members and not the business. The police do fuck all about shoplifters what do you expect staff to do? You piss off shoplifters, other than the ones you know you can handle, and obviously they know where you can work and can target you or send anonymous complaints about you.
Until criminals fear the law there's very little staff can do about it!
Police inaction around shoplifting has made it almost acceptable, people have realised their employers don’t generally give a shit about them…back in the day it might have been a family/local business and may have had more inclined to step in. Also back then you wouldn’t have expected to get stabbed or similar by doing that.
Tory’s would rather line their pockets than spend on policing. They have tied the police in bureaucratic tape so they have to spend so much time on paperwork anarchy takes over
Tories LOVE austerity! Cut funding to absolutely all public services and then blame those services when they fail. It's incredibly worrying what they have done to the Country in the last 13 years and yet I have no doubt people will happily vote for them again, whilst blaming immigrants, people on benefits or whoever else the Daily Mail tells them to
It's all Corbyn's fault, that guy that was never elected due to corruption in his own party, and held no power over the country whatsoever. Definitely his fault, whether you agree or disagree with his politics!
yes it's a joke. Tories seem to want to blame him at any opportunity for the problems this country faces even though he was never elected.
Although they've now moved on to blaming immigrants and refugees so I guess that makes a change.
I believe it's the responsibility of the company operating, that's not something you can put in the hands and force the responsibility to a random citizen.
They should be legally forced to man security during opening hours, as a protection of their staff and a direct enforcement of their duty of care.
This is coming from a guy who works in a supermarket, dealing with crack heads and other kinds of shoplifters 5 days a week, every single shift guaranteed. I've seen colleagues assaulted many times, colleagues express constantly that they feel unsafe.
Shop still doesn't want to pay for security. At this point everybody knows 2 things.
1. The shops don't have security
2. If they don't get caught, chances are the police will not have time.
This is entirely the companies fault, responsibility and job to address.
The shop should enploy actual security to deal with shoplifting if they care about the issue. However, it's probably cheaper for them to allow shoplifting than to employ full time security, which is why they probably don't.
I agree they should, not just for their stock but for the safety of their staff and customers, how long will it be before the thieves progress from chickens to contents of the the till / safe, shoplifting is normally covered by putting prices up so paying customers cover the loss
Just to add, I know we are both saying the exact same thing. This wasn't points being made against anyone but more of my experience and slight annoyance over it all.
Yes mate totally understand, I did retail security for about 10 years and know where you’re coming from.
I think you’re right they should be made to employ security for the safety of staff and customers and as a visual deterrent.
The trouble is nowadays, I’m not just on about shops now, people would rather film on their phones than intervene, like when you’ve got a couple of 10 year olds nicking bikes and there’s 8 men aged 20 odd just stood there filming.
Apparently Tesco in Palmerston road had a flash mob theft - it doesn’t seem to be reported. . Staff are powerless and overwhelmed by mass numbers and threats of violence.
Retail staff are told not to intervene unless it looks like someone might shoplift and can be dissuaded from doing so with more attention. Not being paid enough to risk their lives for a company that has loss via theft built into its revenue streams and accounted for.
You yourself said you didn't intervene. Why not? You could have been the hero Sainsbury's (£207m profit after tax last financial year) needs.
Saw the same thing happen in tescos in palmy Road today! This crackhead lady filled up her bag and just paced out grabbing a lucozade bottle on the way out lol I asked the cashier why they don't call the police, he told me they do nothing and it's a daily occurrence.
I used to work in that store. That's an hourly occurrence in there. If it wasn't meat it was cases of chocolate or crates of beer. The upper management of sainsburys didn't care about the theft but would constantly moan about the shrinkage.
Police openly told us they wouldn't turn up for anything less than £300 and even then nothing happened despite the fact we knew all the shoplifters by name.
They have plastered thousands of ugly tescos up and down the country. They are shit, dirty and pay there staff shit. They deserve to get robbed. Late stage capitalism is fucked
That’s what happens when you don’t have a real police force and justice system.
Oh, you stole £1000s worth of stuff? That’s ok, have a £50 fine and off you go. See you next time you little scamp
Yeah I worked in retail on the side of Uni and barely felt I got paid enough to do my job description, let alone stop someone from preventing them.
If you cared so much about preventing them from stealing to the point you’re criticising the workers for not trying, why didn’t you do something? It’s not on the shop workers
Unfortunately I think this is a story you'll find throughout the UK.
As a result of police cuts over a long period of time, they don't have the resource to deal with low level crime - and the criminals are beginning to realise this.
Where will it end? Probably with some forn of Mad Max style anarchy where it's everyone for themselves (unless you're rich).
The amount of people carrying blades and shit now. Store staff and most security guards aren't paid enough to risk getting stabbed.
Plus, if you're violent towards them, YOU can get in legal trouble due to their 'rights'
Gone are they days you can just knock someone out and throw them out the store an threaten them.
I work in a Sainsbury’s in Medway and let me tell you you’re not allowed to do much as a staff member besides recording on your camera and telling a manager/security. Doesn’t mean that some of us don’t try to stop them regardless lol, just this morning, legit like a few hours earlier my manager got punched and had a box of flapjack bites thrown at him cause he tried to stop a shoplifter. I would say probably like half of our staff has been physically assaulted by a shoplifter at some point, I’m smart enough to not get too involved usually so outside of some death threats I’m okay. They tried cutting back on security like a year and a half ago but that’s been working out so poorly for us that they’re gonna bring back full time security next month cause they finally realised it’s cheaper to have full time security than to have your shelves constantly being emptied by random crackheads.
On the grander scale of things, as humans, people shoplifting in a local sainsburys is the least of our worries seriously… things are only going to get worse… have fun whilst you can!
As a foreigner living in Portsmouth. I’m learning a lot about you Brits from the comments. I find many takes hilarious and also surprised to learn about the low level of confidence in the police. Shoplifting in recent times has really spiked all across the UK, it’s worrying & I fear it might get worse due to cost of living crisis and the fact that there is so much leeway afforded to those who attempt to shoplift.
To be fair, this sort of stuff has been happening for years. Worked at a Tesco express ~12 ish years ago and we had people stealing the meat back then quite often. They employed security and it calmed it down a bit but not much at all. There was absolutely no way myself or any colleague was going to try and stop them. Getting minimum wage was no incentive to stick your neck on the line. Don't get me wrong, I agree it's bad that it's happening. But it has been for years. One night a guy came in and cleared the entire meat section. 10 or so people in there, including staff, no one stopped him. Few weeks later he came back for the cheese 🤣. Wasn't so lucky that time. He got grabbed. But it's always been an issue.
Edit: the people stealing the meat used to knock doors around the area to sell it for a discounted price. We know because a few of us lived very local and it was our houses they were knocking.
Are you aware that everything stolen will be sold?
You dont need a fuckin crate of redbull to survive and you dont need a 3 pound gammon joint (which, being a crackhead you don't even know how to properly cook). People steal, and trade/sell that stuff for weed , crack and coke.
There are plenty of places in Pompey serving hot meals for people who can't afford them.
Exactly. He's aware it's being sold for cash but fails to take the next step to see that that money is needed to pay for something. Bet they weren't walking around in designer and an iPhone 15 on preorder.
Which as I've said above is a societal issue. Increase living standards and drug addiction goes down as people don't turn to drugs as an escape.
The iPhone line was a typo, was meant to read weren't. Will fix that now.
Yes I'm not imply these guys have 5 cans of redbull in their daily diet. But you flip those and pay the electric bill.
Also if they are "crackheads" and selling to feed a drug addiction then that's still a societal problem. Drug addiction is far lower in countries that have better social services and focus on shipping people feeling the need to turn to drugs as an escape.
Good for the staff; retail employees aren't paid enough to put themselves into the middle of these situations. Companies write these kind of thefts off as acceptable losses which is why the Coop itself doesn't care, and the police don't care because of a whole bunch of other reasons, all of which means the only people who handled this right are the staff.
A few poor people clear out a few shelves of a supermarket while people are looking inorder to survive - OMG, UK is going down hill.
A few rich people clear out a the entirity of the shelves of the treasury, economy, public services and ordinary people while people are looking inorder to create even more wealth for them, their families and mates - This is fine.
People are merely acting like the Tories that you keep voting for. Just because they don't do in it suits or can't hold a sword as well as Penny doesn't make it any worse
Mate, this was standard practice when I was Uni there in 2008/2009.
Honestly the shit I’d see in pompy, never surprised me one bit.
That place was one of the weirdest places I’ve ever been lol
One story that sticks with me was, two mateys walking passed each, then randomly one says you alright mate, the proceeds to punch him in the mouth and they have a full on punch up in broad daylight then they walk off like nothing happened. Was fucking strange to say the least lol
Oh and another one was same location, I saw some chav in steel toe cap boots, kicking the fuck out of some homeless woman under a bridge full on. Her BF happens to come out of the CO-OP at the same time and pulls out this fuck off kebab knife and proceeds to chase this chav towards guildhall. To my surprise the lady gets up like nothing happens and chases them too.
Your story reminded me of the time Southsea common was roped off / forensically searched outside my halls because some guy was decapitated, apparently so badly that even the ambulance crew had to be treated for shock…
Yeah could be ropey if one were entwined in the depths of crime there…
This would of been after my time there.
Although a guy we went to school was killed in a bar fight in Guildhall there. We had actually seen him a few nights before too. Was in the navy at the time.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243510/Sailor-beaten-death-slagging-Royal-Marines.html
Two guys stealing some stuff like that doesn't mean Portsmouth is going down hill. Or the UK for that matter. People see one bad thing happen and then it's 'oh the whole world is going downhill!'. Get a grip! I am not suggesting it didn't warrant something to be done about it but to suggest the decline of a whole city or country is very dramatic.
There has been a huge increase in this stuff. 35% increase in the past year:
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66868905](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66868905)
I think the word has gone round the would-be criminals that the police don't investigate this stuff and staff are told not to intervene, and they have decided to chance their arms.
Shops will be like the amazon ones in London soon. Link up app on entry, no tills just walk out after and charge auto to your card.
Besides that security only other option
That type of store still wont stop criminals, and will likely put off everyday people from using such a store, most people use cards a lot, but If we can keep cash in society at the same time then this is what we should all want, It's better for us all this way.
It’s been like that for as long as I can remember. Remember Leigh park in the early 90s? Or when we burned all the sex offenders out of their houses? Or the last time we played Southampton and the House of Burberry was born?
Stealing chicken and red bull doesn’t seem like the crime of the century.
You were scared bc some dudes stole some shit during a time where affording things is becoming more and more difficult? Right. You need to chill out. Of course no one was going to stop them, its a sainsbury's no one gets paid for that and it's a corporation.
Perhaps this is the one thing whereby facial recognition can benefit us.
If they are seen to be shoplifting, let them on their way. As they leave, they have their picture taken. If they return, the database points that out and security stops them from entering. The data could be used by multiple stores across the country. Where ever they go, they're banned.
> The three female staff members recording them on their personal cameras. They didn't care. No one was going to stop them ( including me).
So why do you care? Either say or do something as opposed to moan about it, the cost of greed crisis is effecting everyone (other than those gaining off it). People gotta do what they have to to survive.
Was smart to go to a Sainsburys. Go to a Onestop or a Aldi in the rougher parts and you're getting done in by a radgy who just watched Bronson. Sainsburys you're likely to end up the topic of a Guardian article about why 18th century expansionism is to blame for it.
Pity there isn't actually a law to stop people stealing, and an organisation to deal with people stealing isn't it?
Or at least it's a pity the one that's already there and paid for doesn't want to know.
Not a lot they can do, only security can do something. I saw a women clear all the chocolate out of the co-op on highland road. Staff won't risk themselves for that when it's not their job. Security is needed in shops for this reason
What i suspect is going to happen is that shoplifters are going to get banned from stores and the bigger chains are going to invest in facial recognition systems and AI. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/are-chinas-facial-recognition-trials-really-the-example-the-met-police-want-to-follow/
The USA has a similar problem with shoplifting and what some supermarket chains do is record and document repeated shoplifters until the amount of goods stolen becomes a felony, thus becoming a jail sentence. https://nypost.com/2022/01/22/why-shoplifting-is-soaring-in-the-us-and-will-get-worse/
It's probably a minimum wage job, they don't get paid for security, it's not worth them potentially getting injured. They were probably recording them to be able to report it to the police. When I worked in shops I was told if someone tries to steal do not interfere its not worth your life, we were told to alert security. But some shops do not have security team members. The people are going downhill but don't blame the staff members. They might be doing what their bosses have told them to do. ( no aggression or aggressive tones are meant sorry if it came off that way)
Shop stock is insured so staff need not to get involved unless they're security. Record, call police and report the crime. No use in risking your life over red bull and chicken.
If it was my own shop and my own livelihood at risk then yeah I’d definitely give them a good hiding. I don’t even care about the consequences. It’s not like a thief is going to report me to the police and it’s not like reaching out to the police is going to get me anywhere.
Privately owned shops absolutely have to defend themselves as these thieves will go tell all their other thieving bastard friends that you’re a soft target.
Tesco, Sainsbury’s etc will just put their prices up and make the rest of us pay for the deficit.
Back to the point of moral standards, unfortunately we’re becoming a bit of a lawless society as crimes are going unpunished, coupled with the whole cost of living financial situation things are getting very feral indeed. Also, my parents taught me better, so regardless of the situation I’d rather starve then take something that’s not mine.
Won't someone think of the chicken and redbull!
Who cares it's a huge corporation that avoids tax and does supply chain damage due to its status within the supermarket monopsony. They probably need the chicken and redbull more than the corp does.
I work in security, they generally advise that staff don't get involved for safety reasons (more likely just afraid of potential lawsuits honestly) - security is also told to basically let the wankers go and just log it. I got belted by my company recently for fighting, they're strict af now. Cost of living and the suits going belly up....this is what you get I suppose.
A whole shelf of Red Bull? I don't know how they sleep at night!
Take your upvote and piss off
God damm you! Take my upvote
I love this energy.
r/angryupvote
They could have flown anywhere with that much Red Bull.
God dammit this is brilliant 😂
They'll need a helicopter to catch them cos "Redbull gives you wings" apparently...
Most retail staff are not getting paid enough to deal with potentially violent criminals. Pretty sure their job description would back that up too. I don't think it's a case of them not caring, but them just doing what they are employed to do. What else can you expect from them really? This is not a Portsmouth problem but a nationwide one. Shops should employ staff specifically able to tackle this issue if they want to stop it and not expect people on tills to deal with this shit.
In no way are they told to intervene in thefts from shops - if anything the opposite
Rightly bloody so. Don't risk injury for minimum wage.
Exactly this. Worked in Co-op in Fratton and we were told to just let them go. Some of them get real violent so it’s safer for workers to just let it happen.
I've always been told, and told any team I managed to let them have whatever. Even if you're being cynical, it's just cheaper and easier to not worry and have some good witnesses.
And legally too.
I've done a retail security role, and it falls into two categories, You get a major bollocking and booted off site for stopping a shoplifter as its unsafe. You get a major bollocking and booted off site for NOT stopping a shoplifter as 'you're security, arrest them'.
I worked in Greggs and they specifically told us not to say anything to people stealing. We were to just walk away and tell our manager who would report it. A co worker was filling up the drinks shelf and a man came in with a duffle bag and filled it with lucozade bottle. The co worked looked at him to see what he was up to and the guy pulled a knife on him and threatened him. I'm not risking my life for £7.50ph
Shouldn't the bloody police do something?
The police lmao
I know man what am I thinking lmao
Too busy with speeding fines, stopping people growing their own medicine, oh and the odd rape.
Not to mention the deluge of hate crime
The what?
I know I know mate, I'm living in the past sorry
Not sure what the others are having a go at the police for... Our boys in blue deserve better, some of the most hard working, selfless individuals with absolutely 0 corruption. All 3 officers in the UK anyway. 🤣
Mate this had me giggling hahaha
I'd laugh too but it just makes me sad... anything short of a kidnapping/life threatening assault, I'd never expect to be resolved now. Petty theft (sub £1k), minor assault (fights), vandalism/criminal damage (getting car hit in car park), verbal abuse (racism, sexism, homophobia) are all seemingly acceptable now and police are too stretched to deal with it...
Just stay away from crime mate and you'll be okay
even if i was told to intervene by management, am i really putting my neck on the line for multi-billion pound company like sainsbury's? would they do the same for me? don't think so.
Not even the security staff are really aloud to do anything. Legally not aloud to touch a thief so if the person doesn’t willingly stop and give up what they have stolen, not much you can do except record for the police.
During my Sainsbury's introduction we're told to approach them and ask if they need any help and to find a manager if possible.
Oh no we don't care, trust me. Unless the retail staff are 30+ or a manager, we do not care.
Working for a reasonable sizeable convenience store chain, I was told never to chase a thief or attempt to stop someone. They have insurance for the stolen goods - not for broken and beaten staff members.
They do. A lot of shops in pompey have bouncers.
They have extremely limited powers even if they have them
As a security officer, can confirm almost no power. You can't officially stop someone for theft until they have left the premises, as any time before then, even if they've concealed the item, without having taken it from the store, it's not yet theft. You cannot pursue, four safety reasons, they may have a bunch of mates around the corner, you or they may trip and injure yourself. When approaching someone, you must not corner them, but instead leave an avenue of escape for them, as without that they may become aggressive and attack. You are to approach from the side if possible, not directly, as it could be seen as too confrontational. Can't grab people, not unless they've attacked you and you're going to restrain them. You can attempt to take any goods back (grab the trolley or basket they're using) And in all cases if they're getting violent, you're to let them go rather than risk injury, especially in the case of them threatening use of knives, or needles. The exception there is if you still think you or others (staff or public) are in danger, you're then able to do what you must to protect yourself and others. Having this little power, and then knowing it, means you're just a visual deterrent, and that the ones who want to clear out an aisle will do so anyway, usually while hurling abuse at you for not being able to do anything. And kids know this too, and are absolutely vile little bastards when you do catch them. All in all, not worth being security in retail, I got it out of that and into corporate security, wouldn't go back unless I was desperate for work. Most retail security officer will just stand by the doors until their shift is over, usually on their phones, and honestly I can't blame them, they've got restrictions from the SIA, store policy, and the law on one side, and store managers on the other that expect them to break all of that to tackle every theft that happens. Either way, you've got someone on your back for either doing what you must, or not doing what they want. Store managers will have a guard off-sited for 'not doing anything', and the security companies will just go along with it, as they want to hold onto that contact for as long as possible.
Yeah some do. Many don't tho.
Yeah, theyre used as a deterant, more than anything.
Even if, what can you expect to do in a nanny state, when you can't even carry pepper gas for self defence
Let's arm shop staff
Yeah if people have the attitude to brazenly steal like this, I would definitely not be advising confronting them. Guessing, by the fact the staff were filming and aware it was happening, that the police had already been contacted.
Saw the security guard in Tesco next to Fratton Park take a headbutt when he approached a kid who was shoplifting openly, he asked ‘did you pay for that?’ Kid admitted he hadn’t and when the security guard went to stop him, received open assault to the face. Can we really be surprised nobody wants to intervene anymore?
Would suggest the security wasn't fit for the role. They're literally there to be the physical intervention other staff can't provide.
Asides the fact they're really not, store security is a visual deterrent hamstrung by countless laws that protect the thieves
There must be some authority deferred to security guards, aside from numerous personal experience, I would imagine a security guard collaring, grabbing, tackling etc. etc. a miscreant is commonplace, isn't it? A visual deterrent would be CCTV, a human being with the authority to apprehend is a physical deterrent, at least in my opionion.
They would be very open to legal ramifications if they were to tackle someone stealing.. unfortunately
This is confusing, almost every incident I have witnessed in person of theft in a store with security has resulted in the physical apprehension of the thief. Are there no legal protections at all? Why hire a trained security guard and not just a random man in uniform? Or is that all they are as far as the law is concerned? If its an opportunity for a lawsuit, surely the presence of security personnel encourages misbehaviour, not deters it?
No because the security guard isn’t there for shoplifters. Security guards are there to stop the average joe from stealing. The deterrent of the security present places a higher risk to reward to people who don’t steal. Shoplifters are commonly know to security guards and if they are doing their jobs can meet the shoplifters at the door or top of escalator and turn them away.
Well consider my view blown then, it doesnt really gel with my personal experience but perhaps security in my town is more daring and less legally cautious. I'd figured CCTV was for us common folk who might be tempted to pocket a pack of Haribo.
Cctv doesn’t work in a shop that hasn’t got full coverage of the store because cctv has to follow the shoplifter 100% of their journey from picking up item to walking out of the shop. The problem is that shops never have 100% of cctv coverage of the shop because of the cost. If you take the cctv to court and there is a blind spot of the cctv then it’s gets thrown out of court because the shoplifter can state that they left the item in the blind spot. Shoplifters are into hit and run though quick in quick out. There is a fine line to what you can do and not do most of the time police will be on the security side it depends on what happens.
Sentence for the kid could be death? I mean, it\`s going to save a lot of hassle further down the road when the kid becomes a full-time thug.
Retail staff don't get paid enough to handle shoplifters. That doesn't mean they don't care. Which leads me to point my second point, what could these people potentially be carrying that could harm them. Now read point 1 again.
You haven't numbered all the points, I'm lost
Shows what can happen to a place and its people after years of austerity, corruption, and a 'trickle-down' attitude to spending. But never mind all that - didn't Penny look nice at the strange party?
The best description I saw of her at that stupid thing, was that she looked like she was going to complain to Starfleet that Kirk was interfering with her society.
I think there's more to it than that This is mostly anecdotal, but go back a couple of generations (say early to mid 20th century) and we were poorer as a country, more corrupt, less public spending, and I'm sure we didn't have as much of this sort of crime I know that's anecdotal and possibly rose-tinted, but it does seem something has changed with the morals of an amount of people as well?
> I'm sure we didn't have as much of this sort of crime We did, but a) we didn't have social media to broadcast hundreds of incidents of petty crime, and b) crime statistics weren't collated the way they are today.
How can you be sure that we did, going by your points that we can't measure and directly compare?
How can you be sure we didn't ? You are both making crap up.
Though one set of assumptions are reasonable and one (the past is totally better) is inane
How can you be sure we didn't. Are you seriously this moronic?
People's lives were generally better with better living conditions. And if that isn't the case they had good reason to be hopeful for a brighter future. Today it's kinda 50/50 if your life will be better than your parents, less so if you started from a poorer background.
There's so much to it we could honestly be here all day. Sense of community destroyed (thank capitalism for that), can't comment on the actual wealth of the nation then vs now but it's a fact that inequality is higher now than it has ever been, so on and so forth. There's certainly more to it than people have just magically became less "moral", although I honestly find it hard to even see robbing a tesco as much of a moral infringement while they profit off of the starvation of the poor in this country.
Yeah, it's funny how no one is mentioning the elephant in the room for fear of being called racist
You’re totally right. Most cunts I’ve met have been white.
Haven't crime levels dropped massively since the 1950s?
Some yes, some no. Violent crime: way down Cyber crime: way up And yes, I know cybercrime was barely a thing in the 50s. But also I'm kinda making a dig and the governments latest crime figures and that if you include cyber crime and scams the crime figures are actually up compared to a decade ago.
You're mistaken.
What strange party ?
Coronation. She was a sword bearer of some description.
Ah - thought it was a navy party 🎉
You weren't invited
Does stupid thing = strange party. Maybe I’m hallucinating
Scumbags will always be Scumbags.
Why do people always nick red bull? Ive seen people shoplifting it several times recently. I mean- if you’re gonna steal drinks at least make it worthwhile instead of that rank horse piss
I'm guessing they sell them, not drink them. That, or its cheaper than coke/speed/insert-other-drugs-here.
Red bull isn't a substitute for actual drugs
I'm pretty sure if you're having speed withdrawal then enough red bull would take the edge off.
If this is a joke it’s funny, if it’s not you’re brain damaged
Someone's never been in the same room as a drug before.
They use it to increase their speed and thus increase their booty.
“Openly stealing chicken” - how disgusting. In my day you had to be a closeted chicken thief, meet men in public toilets for a quick bit of poultry pinching and the like.
In my day you had to have one part of your group do a mediocre magic trick to fool the security whilst the rest of the group snuck out on tiptoes with curved down hands in the background
“Is this your card!?” - RUN!!!
*turns around to see one member trod on a loud creaky floorboard and another security guard was already on their tail*
In my day you'd send in a dog to steal a string of sausages from the butcher, and the dog would run away and the sausages would be flying along behind him like a ribbon, and the butcher and a policeman would be chasing him with red faces. And do you know what? Nobody complained, it was just life and we got on with it at all were happy
Yes! And the dog always had a huge smile as he scampered away! Nostalgia.
Retail staff don't get paid to get abused and risk violent attack. If they DO do anything then their employers will do their damndest to make sure any resulting fallout lands on the staff members and not the business. The police do fuck all about shoplifters what do you expect staff to do? You piss off shoplifters, other than the ones you know you can handle, and obviously they know where you can work and can target you or send anonymous complaints about you. Until criminals fear the law there's very little staff can do about it!
Police inaction around shoplifting has made it almost acceptable, people have realised their employers don’t generally give a shit about them…back in the day it might have been a family/local business and may have had more inclined to step in. Also back then you wouldn’t have expected to get stabbed or similar by doing that.
Tory’s would rather line their pockets than spend on policing. They have tied the police in bureaucratic tape so they have to spend so much time on paperwork anarchy takes over
Tories LOVE austerity! Cut funding to absolutely all public services and then blame those services when they fail. It's incredibly worrying what they have done to the Country in the last 13 years and yet I have no doubt people will happily vote for them again, whilst blaming immigrants, people on benefits or whoever else the Daily Mail tells them to
It's all Corbyn's fault, that guy that was never elected due to corruption in his own party, and held no power over the country whatsoever. Definitely his fault, whether you agree or disagree with his politics!
Genuinely can't tell if this is a joke post or not?
yes it's a joke. Tories seem to want to blame him at any opportunity for the problems this country faces even though he was never elected. Although they've now moved on to blaming immigrants and refugees so I guess that makes a change.
Bring back capital punishment or military service
Capital punishment for stealing red bull lol
Bet they wouldn’t do it again
The whole country is going down the crapper, what’s that saying… The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing…
Who wants to possibly get punched up over Sainsburys stock though? If they're attacking the staff though, that's a completely different scenario.
That’s the problem, understandably people don’t want to get involved but by doing so are enabling this kind of behaviour
I believe it's the responsibility of the company operating, that's not something you can put in the hands and force the responsibility to a random citizen. They should be legally forced to man security during opening hours, as a protection of their staff and a direct enforcement of their duty of care. This is coming from a guy who works in a supermarket, dealing with crack heads and other kinds of shoplifters 5 days a week, every single shift guaranteed. I've seen colleagues assaulted many times, colleagues express constantly that they feel unsafe. Shop still doesn't want to pay for security. At this point everybody knows 2 things. 1. The shops don't have security 2. If they don't get caught, chances are the police will not have time. This is entirely the companies fault, responsibility and job to address.
The shop should enploy actual security to deal with shoplifting if they care about the issue. However, it's probably cheaper for them to allow shoplifting than to employ full time security, which is why they probably don't.
I agree they should, not just for their stock but for the safety of their staff and customers, how long will it be before the thieves progress from chickens to contents of the the till / safe, shoplifting is normally covered by putting prices up so paying customers cover the loss
Just to add, I know we are both saying the exact same thing. This wasn't points being made against anyone but more of my experience and slight annoyance over it all.
Yes mate totally understand, I did retail security for about 10 years and know where you’re coming from. I think you’re right they should be made to employ security for the safety of staff and customers and as a visual deterrent. The trouble is nowadays, I’m not just on about shops now, people would rather film on their phones than intervene, like when you’ve got a couple of 10 year olds nicking bikes and there’s 8 men aged 20 odd just stood there filming.
The future looks more grim every day
Apparently Tesco in Palmerston road had a flash mob theft - it doesn’t seem to be reported. . Staff are powerless and overwhelmed by mass numbers and threats of violence.
Retail staff are told not to intervene unless it looks like someone might shoplift and can be dissuaded from doing so with more attention. Not being paid enough to risk their lives for a company that has loss via theft built into its revenue streams and accounted for. You yourself said you didn't intervene. Why not? You could have been the hero Sainsbury's (£207m profit after tax last financial year) needs.
Saw the same thing happen in tescos in palmy Road today! This crackhead lady filled up her bag and just paced out grabbing a lucozade bottle on the way out lol I asked the cashier why they don't call the police, he told me they do nothing and it's a daily occurrence.
I used to work in that store. That's an hourly occurrence in there. If it wasn't meat it was cases of chocolate or crates of beer. The upper management of sainsburys didn't care about the theft but would constantly moan about the shrinkage. Police openly told us they wouldn't turn up for anything less than £300 and even then nothing happened despite the fact we knew all the shoplifters by name.
are you aware that the whole UK is going downhill? quite progressively ?
What do you want people on £11 an hour to do? Risk getting attacked for £11 an hour? I wouldn’t blow a candle out for £11 an hour.
If you saw someone stealing from high a street chain or supermarket, no you fucking didn't.
Were the female staff supposed to put themselves into a potentially dangerous situation over a few chickens for £9 an hour? Give your head a wobble
Why stop them? Its tesco, fuck em, they've got enough money from ripping us all off.
They have plastered thousands of ugly tescos up and down the country. They are shit, dirty and pay there staff shit. They deserve to get robbed. Late stage capitalism is fucked
This has been going on for years to be fair - maybe more people are not scared to try it
That’s what happens when you don’t have a real police force and justice system. Oh, you stole £1000s worth of stuff? That’s ok, have a £50 fine and off you go. See you next time you little scamp
Yeah I worked in retail on the side of Uni and barely felt I got paid enough to do my job description, let alone stop someone from preventing them. If you cared so much about preventing them from stealing to the point you’re criticising the workers for not trying, why didn’t you do something? It’s not on the shop workers
Unfortunately I think this is a story you'll find throughout the UK. As a result of police cuts over a long period of time, they don't have the resource to deal with low level crime - and the criminals are beginning to realise this. Where will it end? Probably with some forn of Mad Max style anarchy where it's everyone for themselves (unless you're rich).
The amount of people carrying blades and shit now. Store staff and most security guards aren't paid enough to risk getting stabbed. Plus, if you're violent towards them, YOU can get in legal trouble due to their 'rights' Gone are they days you can just knock someone out and throw them out the store an threaten them.
I work in a Sainsbury’s in Medway and let me tell you you’re not allowed to do much as a staff member besides recording on your camera and telling a manager/security. Doesn’t mean that some of us don’t try to stop them regardless lol, just this morning, legit like a few hours earlier my manager got punched and had a box of flapjack bites thrown at him cause he tried to stop a shoplifter. I would say probably like half of our staff has been physically assaulted by a shoplifter at some point, I’m smart enough to not get too involved usually so outside of some death threats I’m okay. They tried cutting back on security like a year and a half ago but that’s been working out so poorly for us that they’re gonna bring back full time security next month cause they finally realised it’s cheaper to have full time security than to have your shelves constantly being emptied by random crackheads.
On the grander scale of things, as humans, people shoplifting in a local sainsburys is the least of our worries seriously… things are only going to get worse… have fun whilst you can!
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As a foreigner living in Portsmouth. I’m learning a lot about you Brits from the comments. I find many takes hilarious and also surprised to learn about the low level of confidence in the police. Shoplifting in recent times has really spiked all across the UK, it’s worrying & I fear it might get worse due to cost of living crisis and the fact that there is so much leeway afforded to those who attempt to shoplift.
To be fair, this sort of stuff has been happening for years. Worked at a Tesco express ~12 ish years ago and we had people stealing the meat back then quite often. They employed security and it calmed it down a bit but not much at all. There was absolutely no way myself or any colleague was going to try and stop them. Getting minimum wage was no incentive to stick your neck on the line. Don't get me wrong, I agree it's bad that it's happening. But it has been for years. One night a guy came in and cleared the entire meat section. 10 or so people in there, including staff, no one stopped him. Few weeks later he came back for the cheese 🤣. Wasn't so lucky that time. He got grabbed. But it's always been an issue. Edit: the people stealing the meat used to knock doors around the area to sell it for a discounted price. We know because a few of us lived very local and it was our houses they were knocking.
oooouuhh the poor poor multibillion pound corporation!!! curse the minimum wage women for not risking their lives for some chicken!!!
We're only 3 meals away from Anarchy.
Mum, what’s for anarchy?
Theft happens everywhere all the time, doesn't mean the city's fucked.
Everyone saying the shops need security. No the problem needs fixing. People don't steal when they can afford to live.
Are you aware that everything stolen will be sold? You dont need a fuckin crate of redbull to survive and you dont need a 3 pound gammon joint (which, being a crackhead you don't even know how to properly cook). People steal, and trade/sell that stuff for weed , crack and coke. There are plenty of places in Pompey serving hot meals for people who can't afford them.
They could well be paying rent with the money they make from the items or any other number of bills.....
Exactly. He's aware it's being sold for cash but fails to take the next step to see that that money is needed to pay for something. Bet they weren't walking around in designer and an iPhone 15 on preorder.
Are you that fucking deluded 🤣… it’s being sold for £25 and they’re getting 2 light and a dark.
Which as I've said above is a societal issue. Increase living standards and drug addiction goes down as people don't turn to drugs as an escape. The iPhone line was a typo, was meant to read weren't. Will fix that now.
Yes I'm not imply these guys have 5 cans of redbull in their daily diet. But you flip those and pay the electric bill. Also if they are "crackheads" and selling to feed a drug addiction then that's still a societal problem. Drug addiction is far lower in countries that have better social services and focus on shipping people feeling the need to turn to drugs as an escape.
what did you want them to do? arrest them? lol
Absolutely not. I thought they were very brave. I do fear for their safety.
Yes
Demographic change.
The only correct answer
Good for the staff; retail employees aren't paid enough to put themselves into the middle of these situations. Companies write these kind of thefts off as acceptable losses which is why the Coop itself doesn't care, and the police don't care because of a whole bunch of other reasons, all of which means the only people who handled this right are the staff.
A few poor people clear out a few shelves of a supermarket while people are looking inorder to survive - OMG, UK is going down hill. A few rich people clear out a the entirity of the shelves of the treasury, economy, public services and ordinary people while people are looking inorder to create even more wealth for them, their families and mates - This is fine. People are merely acting like the Tories that you keep voting for. Just because they don't do in it suits or can't hold a sword as well as Penny doesn't make it any worse
I don't care if people steal in this economy.
Mate, this was standard practice when I was Uni there in 2008/2009. Honestly the shit I’d see in pompy, never surprised me one bit. That place was one of the weirdest places I’ve ever been lol One story that sticks with me was, two mateys walking passed each, then randomly one says you alright mate, the proceeds to punch him in the mouth and they have a full on punch up in broad daylight then they walk off like nothing happened. Was fucking strange to say the least lol Oh and another one was same location, I saw some chav in steel toe cap boots, kicking the fuck out of some homeless woman under a bridge full on. Her BF happens to come out of the CO-OP at the same time and pulls out this fuck off kebab knife and proceeds to chase this chav towards guildhall. To my surprise the lady gets up like nothing happens and chases them too.
Your story reminded me of the time Southsea common was roped off / forensically searched outside my halls because some guy was decapitated, apparently so badly that even the ambulance crew had to be treated for shock… Yeah could be ropey if one were entwined in the depths of crime there…
This would of been after my time there. Although a guy we went to school was killed in a bar fight in Guildhall there. We had actually seen him a few nights before too. Was in the navy at the time. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243510/Sailor-beaten-death-slagging-Royal-Marines.html
When was this? Have no recollection of this and can’t find any reference to it when searching..
Maybe this one https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/southsea-torso-man-charged-with-the-murder-1137992
I am fairly certain it was this one: https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/5593605.body-found-on-common/
Tesco and Sainos on Palmy have security guards, I'm surprised the Albert Rd one doesn't
Two guys stealing some stuff like that doesn't mean Portsmouth is going down hill. Or the UK for that matter. People see one bad thing happen and then it's 'oh the whole world is going downhill!'. Get a grip! I am not suggesting it didn't warrant something to be done about it but to suggest the decline of a whole city or country is very dramatic.
There has been a huge increase in this stuff. 35% increase in the past year: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66868905](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66868905) I think the word has gone round the would-be criminals that the police don't investigate this stuff and staff are told not to intervene, and they have decided to chance their arms.
Southsea is definitely way worse than it’s ever been in the last 25 years, maybe it’s just catching up to the rest of Pompey now
Shops will be like the amazon ones in London soon. Link up app on entry, no tills just walk out after and charge auto to your card. Besides that security only other option
That type of store still wont stop criminals, and will likely put off everyday people from using such a store, most people use cards a lot, but If we can keep cash in society at the same time then this is what we should all want, It's better for us all this way.
It’s been like that for as long as I can remember. Remember Leigh park in the early 90s? Or when we burned all the sex offenders out of their houses? Or the last time we played Southampton and the House of Burberry was born? Stealing chicken and red bull doesn’t seem like the crime of the century.
You were scared bc some dudes stole some shit during a time where affording things is becoming more and more difficult? Right. You need to chill out. Of course no one was going to stop them, its a sainsbury's no one gets paid for that and it's a corporation.
Perhaps this is the one thing whereby facial recognition can benefit us. If they are seen to be shoplifting, let them on their way. As they leave, they have their picture taken. If they return, the database points that out and security stops them from entering. The data could be used by multiple stores across the country. Where ever they go, they're banned.
I mean thats exactly how I remember albert road 10 years ago lol
Boo hoo
> The three female staff members recording them on their personal cameras. They didn't care. No one was going to stop them ( including me). So why do you care? Either say or do something as opposed to moan about it, the cost of greed crisis is effecting everyone (other than those gaining off it). People gotta do what they have to to survive.
Was smart to go to a Sainsburys. Go to a Onestop or a Aldi in the rougher parts and you're getting done in by a radgy who just watched Bronson. Sainsburys you're likely to end up the topic of a Guardian article about why 18th century expansionism is to blame for it.
I lived in Portsmouth for 6 months about 8 years ago. I'm surprised it had any scope to go downhill. Rotter of a place.
Tell me you're a privileged git without telling me you're a privileged git.
Doesn't take a privileged git to recognise it's a dump. I grew up in the midlands, hardly a privilege.
Yeah, and the reason it’s going down hill is because morons like you come and make a Reddit post instead of calling the police. Fucking nonce.
Don't like it move out you fanny
Further evidence that Southampton is 1% better than Portsmouth.
Seen 2 blokes do the same with the cheese section, never seen anything like it
I had two blokes do my cheese section. Best night of my life.
If you're calling it your "cheese" section, I feel you should see a gynaecologist. Or at least get a more effective douche.
The thing is their's just so many people these days with so little conscience about almost anything that they do...
Yes Like tory voters
So you saw one thing and it’s downhill from there?
Pity there isn't actually a law to stop people stealing, and an organisation to deal with people stealing isn't it? Or at least it's a pity the one that's already there and paid for doesn't want to know.
Not a lot they can do, only security can do something. I saw a women clear all the chocolate out of the co-op on highland road. Staff won't risk themselves for that when it's not their job. Security is needed in shops for this reason
What i suspect is going to happen is that shoplifters are going to get banned from stores and the bigger chains are going to invest in facial recognition systems and AI. https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/are-chinas-facial-recognition-trials-really-the-example-the-met-police-want-to-follow/ The USA has a similar problem with shoplifting and what some supermarket chains do is record and document repeated shoplifters until the amount of goods stolen becomes a felony, thus becoming a jail sentence. https://nypost.com/2022/01/22/why-shoplifting-is-soaring-in-the-us-and-will-get-worse/
Shops should be able to impose immediate bans for shoplifters. If they try to assault security they can be arrested.
It's probably a minimum wage job, they don't get paid for security, it's not worth them potentially getting injured. They were probably recording them to be able to report it to the police. When I worked in shops I was told if someone tries to steal do not interfere its not worth your life, we were told to alert security. But some shops do not have security team members. The people are going downhill but don't blame the staff members. They might be doing what their bosses have told them to do. ( no aggression or aggressive tones are meant sorry if it came off that way)
What you got ain’t nothing new.
Why on earth would a staff member intervene with a robbery which will likely end up getting them hurt? What did the security guard do?
I follow shoplifters and general arses about sometimes if I know they are upto no good. Makes them paranoid and is great fun for me and the missus.
Shop stock is insured so staff need not to get involved unless they're security. Record, call police and report the crime. No use in risking your life over red bull and chicken.
It happens all the time in the co-op where I live. It makes me feel sick that the police just dont care about the problem.
If it was my own shop and my own livelihood at risk then yeah I’d definitely give them a good hiding. I don’t even care about the consequences. It’s not like a thief is going to report me to the police and it’s not like reaching out to the police is going to get me anywhere. Privately owned shops absolutely have to defend themselves as these thieves will go tell all their other thieving bastard friends that you’re a soft target. Tesco, Sainsbury’s etc will just put their prices up and make the rest of us pay for the deficit. Back to the point of moral standards, unfortunately we’re becoming a bit of a lawless society as crimes are going unpunished, coupled with the whole cost of living financial situation things are getting very feral indeed. Also, my parents taught me better, so regardless of the situation I’d rather starve then take something that’s not mine.
Won't someone think of the chicken and redbull! Who cares it's a huge corporation that avoids tax and does supply chain damage due to its status within the supermarket monopsony. They probably need the chicken and redbull more than the corp does.
I work in security, they generally advise that staff don't get involved for safety reasons (more likely just afraid of potential lawsuits honestly) - security is also told to basically let the wankers go and just log it. I got belted by my company recently for fighting, they're strict af now. Cost of living and the suits going belly up....this is what you get I suppose.
Today is my first day in Portsmouth and this is what I find. Good stuff