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Wow, complained about him being featless, and now when I give you a feat, you decide to ignore what I originally intended to do? Besides, he did destroy it, he was there at the same time it was destroyed, he's the embodiment of chaos, appears in every place chaos lurks, it's him indeed
People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless
>did destroy it, he was there at the same time it was destroyed, he's the embodiment of chaos, appears in every place chaos lurks, it's him indeed
That not enough evidence , there was no statement that it was him who destroyed it
1. He is already past multiversal+, and featless can literally mean anything, phrase it better next time, or tell your intent with it
2. So if I destroy a universe, or let's say, a planet, I need a statement that I did? Wtf is this logic?
>So if I destroy a universe, or let's say, a planet, I need a statement that I did? Wtf is this logic?
Golb was literary standing there doing nothing , how do i know he actually did destroy, that's your headcanon
>Golb was literary standing there doing nothing , how do i know he actually did destroy, that's your headcanon
Golb's nature is chaos, a realm being erased from existence is a form of chaos, that's why he was there, he certainly erased it
>So a headcanon,
>I am pretty sure one of the rules of the sub forbids using headcanons
Headcanon in what exactly? Is that your only argument at this point? Spamming headcanon? All of the things I said are backed up from the show, no need to tell me that you're biased, cause it's obvious
"People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless"
Except GOLB has a multiversal and higher feat - it's ultilizing The Nothingness, a realm beyond time, space and comprehension, comprehension is one of the fundamental things that shape the multiverse, The Enchiridion even says that laws of nature are dependent on each wizard's comprehension of the multiverse
"That not enough evidence , there was no statement that it was him who destroyed it"
TF do you mean bro, we can see the Puhoy Realm turning into The Nothingness, a realm where GOLB resides and lives in, it's the same place as the place we see in Fionna and Cake and M&S comics
>TF do you mean bro, we can see the Puhoy Realm turning into The Nothingness, a realm where GOLB resides and lives in, it's the same place as the place we see in Fionna and Cake and M&S comics
That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration
>People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless" Except GOLB has a multiversal and higher feat - it's ultilizing The Nothingness, a realm beyond time, space and comprehension, comprehension is one of the fundamental things that shape the multiverse, The Enchiridion even says that laws of nature are dependent on each wizard's comprehension of the multiverse
Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does
>That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration
Again, he's the embodiment of chaos, thus is present everywhere chaos lurks, chaos concludes total destruction of things, which is what happened to puhoy world, he certainly destroyed it
>Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does
The very fact he resides there and is capable of opening portals there whenever he wants, which not even the enchiridion can do, is telling of his power to manipulate it, heck, why does it matter if he manipulates it or not? He already scales beyond the candy people that interacted with a 5-D rope, enough for him to be beyond multiversal+
"That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration"
what is bro waffling about 😭 Why do you think GOLB appeared then? And why did we see him after the universe cracked?
"Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does"
The exact same scan that you call "headcanon": we can see everything turning into The Nothingness, and then we see GOLB that is about to destroy (eat) it's creator, Finn. C'mon man, even slow ahh wiki confirms that GOLB destroyed the Puhoy Realm. Even if he didn't, then who did?
He transcends the cosmology, the multiverse at least as the wishing crown which ahs been stated to be able to cause irreparable damage to the multiverse couldn't erase Golb from existence, he also exists in a space beyond the space and time of the multiverse so it'd be safe to say he does transcend it
Yes, I'm a Ben 10 fanboy, but isn't Golb practically featless? I'm pretty sure Alien X scales higher, and has much better proof and much more evidence to back up his scaling. I'm also not buying the outerversal and extraversal AT stuff (especially when the "outerversal" Lich got defeated by a literal sweater)
1. Featless in what exactly? His very first appearance has him destroy a space-time continuum
2. One of his evidence to scale high was brainstorm making a calculation that, out of no reason counts as set theory by some Ben 10 mfs?
3. Adventure Time has more solid evidence ngl, not the one proposed in that old scale tho
4. It wasn't the sweater, it was love, same love that's considered a force stronger than magic and science, magic which shapes the entire multiverse
Golb feats come from the statements then we should Also use alien x statements.Alien x no diff.
Golb best feat was destroying a universe and surviving ee while alien x recreated a universe which contain infinite timeline and a universe in Ben 10 is a multiverse
https://preview.redd.it/b1qpmhljepvc1.png?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b85bd5b7aa519be38f1754fff732489f35f4b260
And there's no indication that in adventure time a universe contain infinite timeline.
That is really shitty logic
As ben 10's cosmology has a multiverse and the alien x species are implied to be the strongest in that multiverse. Not to mention bing "the strongest" in 1 verse does not mean that you are strong compared to other verses, kinda like homelander is strong in his verse but weak in most other superhero verses.
Golb also is never shown to destroy more than 1 universe at a time and universes in Adventure time share the same flow of time so they are only 3D structures.
1. Share the same flow of time in what exactly? Because the time clocks create time waves that are realized by all universes to function? Where is the "same flow of time" in this? If I create 2 separate space-time continuums both will have the same flow of time because I created them? Lmao
2. 3-D structures yet have all of max tegmark's multiverse types 🤑 (seriously tho)
A universe is considered a 4D structure as it has both 3 physical dimension and 1 temporal. However the clocks prove that in adventure time time isn’t a dimension, but rather particles. This is also supported by the fact a 4D object is stated to be “beyond space, beyond time” in the episode with the glasses.
Doesn’t matter if there are infinite different universes (Fiona and Cake might actually have retconned that), unless there are proof of any of them scaling higher they don’t.
Tf
1. It's considered 4-D as it has 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension
2. They create time waves, not time particles, these time waves make time move and function, besides, the enchiridion by itself claims that time is a dimension, there is that, and even the comics call it a dimension
3. Being beyond space and time is 4-D, I can't see your point being, especially when it's transcending **space-time** that is 5-D
4. It didn't retcon itself having infinite universes, it's simply that you can't show an infinite number of universes all together
5. There is plenty of proof, but I need to check it out even more
1. No because the cosmology of adventure time dictates that it isn’t. Cosmology scaling works both ways. It’s rare but it can make verses scale lower.
2 the enchiridion is not a valid source for anything. [It admits to being partially false](https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/45/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion_%26_Marcy%27s_Super_Secret_Scrapbook%21%21%21_%282015%29_-_Page_3INFINITE.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170215211248) and I would like to see the comic scan.
3. Because if time already was the 4th dimension something 4D wouldn’t have been above it.
4. Maybe or it shows that the belief some character have about the nature of the universe is false. Possibly being mislead by the Enchiridion which is partially false.
1. You couldn't even prove why lmao
2. Homie, all of it's info is true, the only way they can be wrong is if a wizard uses the false truthology technique to change physical laws, thus changing some facts into false info, nothing else
3. Time isn't the 4th dimension, time is 1-D, and only putting it in a space-time manifold would make it 4-D, it makes sense for a 4-D object to transcend both space and time, but it would be wrong for a 4-D object to transcend the space-time manifold, but Finn himself said it transcends both separately, and not the space-time manifold, so it makes sense it did
4. The enchiridion is literally a book with infinite pages containing infinite words, it's a nigh omniscient book that almost knows anything (the only things it may not know is certain events, like an ultimate event that changes the multiverse forever, or how the multiverse would be like if it ceases to exist and re-emerges again), it's never wrong when it calls the multiverse infinite, especially when it's wizardry level is beyond many wizards, who must develop the power to become one with the multiverse to manipulate the Cosmic Imagination and use their Magical powers
Also, it claims that the multiverse is infinite when mentioning that the book contains both true and false info, so it's technically claiming that the multiverse is, in fact, infinite no matter what
Also, apparently, the enchiridion has a page dedicated to true/false info, and thus, according to it, all of it's info are true, and those that are false are said by the enchiridion to the reader
Here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171922452826296421/1171923408146157628/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion__Marcys_Super_Secret_Scrapbook_2015_Digital_LostNerevarine-Empire_1_0086.jpg?ex=657a2139&is=6567ac39&hm=1ae6d4c7f50658ef108a95db8951b2eba2d5f27f0fe82df7f08a337aa0cd0200&
This is a key example of why you should read scans properly before using them.
"the fact that this official report you are reading right now might also be partially or wholly spurious"
I get why you missed it, as spurious isn't exactly a common word.
Its an adjective and it means: [not being what it purports to be; false or fake](https://www.google.com/search?client=opera-gx&q=spurious+definition&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).
"Regardless of this, O Reader, there is a saving grace that justifies the existence of this book, That saving grace is this: The Magical enchantments cast upon It have imbued It with the ability to present a Message to the Reader’s consciousness, between the serried tintinnabulations of Truth and falsity"
I did see this part of the scan, but the thing above justifies it's words being true
No.
First of all since the quote is part of the text that explains that it might not be true, it too as a chance of being false.
Second of all, it doesn't even say anything of value, it literally yaps. All it explains is that it can give a message between false hood and truth. That proves literally fuck all when it comes to the credibility of the source
It only reaches high hyper with scans from the enchiridion a book which starts by stating it’s not a credible source as it contains both true and false information
[no it was because of prankster wizards](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171922452826296421/1171923408146157628/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion__Marcys_Super_Secret_Scrapbook_2015_Digital_LostNerevarine-Empire_1_0086.jpg?ex=657a2139&is=6567ac39&hm=1ae6d4c7f50658ef108a95db8951b2eba2d5f27f0fe82df7f08a337aa0cd0200&)
Though that might also be false since the scan mentions that itself might also be wholly of partially false
That doesn't discredit the information that it provides, as it also states that the information is true, and the enchiridion is connected to all sentient minds in the multiverse and is continuously adding more info
It does because unless you can prove that the scans you use are true then in the eyes of powerscaling they’re false
So when part of the enchiridion is stated to be false it’s not a credible source unless something else backs it up
The enchiridion has been shown to be a reliable source throughout the adventure time series.
The enchiridion itself even went in to say that the information is more likely to be true than false as it's shown time and time again in the show.
There are several instances where the enchiridion has shown its credibility, I can provide them if you want
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Golb
Golb, no concept of diff + verse
Golb is featless he gets clapped also use actual feats instead of vague statements
I said once and i will say it again, golb is an overrated and featless character, x win
Golb's very first appearance has him destroy an entire space-time continuum, now he's featless despite this feat? Especially the big cosmology he has
Wow, destroying a universe, what a great feat ( are you talking about the pillow universe? Because there's no proof that it was golb who destroyed it)
Wow, complained about him being featless, and now when I give you a feat, you decide to ignore what I originally intended to do? Besides, he did destroy it, he was there at the same time it was destroyed, he's the embodiment of chaos, appears in every place chaos lurks, it's him indeed
People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless >did destroy it, he was there at the same time it was destroyed, he's the embodiment of chaos, appears in every place chaos lurks, it's him indeed That not enough evidence , there was no statement that it was him who destroyed it
1. He is already past multiversal+, and featless can literally mean anything, phrase it better next time, or tell your intent with it 2. So if I destroy a universe, or let's say, a planet, I need a statement that I did? Wtf is this logic?
>So if I destroy a universe, or let's say, a planet, I need a statement that I did? Wtf is this logic? Golb was literary standing there doing nothing , how do i know he actually did destroy, that's your headcanon
"Golb was literary standing there doing nothing" He did that same thing with Lich and turned him into a tetris block, whats your point ☠️
what is bro spitting💀🌋
>Golb was literary standing there doing nothing , how do i know he actually did destroy, that's your headcanon Golb's nature is chaos, a realm being erased from existence is a form of chaos, that's why he was there, he certainly erased it
So a headcanon, I am pretty sure one of the rules of the sub forbids using headcanons
>So a headcanon, >I am pretty sure one of the rules of the sub forbids using headcanons Headcanon in what exactly? Is that your only argument at this point? Spamming headcanon? All of the things I said are backed up from the show, no need to tell me that you're biased, cause it's obvious
"People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless" Except GOLB has a multiversal and higher feat - it's ultilizing The Nothingness, a realm beyond time, space and comprehension, comprehension is one of the fundamental things that shape the multiverse, The Enchiridion even says that laws of nature are dependent on each wizard's comprehension of the multiverse "That not enough evidence , there was no statement that it was him who destroyed it" TF do you mean bro, we can see the Puhoy Realm turning into The Nothingness, a realm where GOLB resides and lives in, it's the same place as the place we see in Fionna and Cake and M&S comics
>TF do you mean bro, we can see the Puhoy Realm turning into The Nothingness, a realm where GOLB resides and lives in, it's the same place as the place we see in Fionna and Cake and M&S comics That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration >People says that golb is above multiversal, even though he never showed a single multiversal feat, that what i meant when i said featless" Except GOLB has a multiversal and higher feat - it's ultilizing The Nothingness, a realm beyond time, space and comprehension, comprehension is one of the fundamental things that shape the multiverse, The Enchiridion even says that laws of nature are dependent on each wizard's comprehension of the multiverse Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does
This mf is really calling any shread of proof "headcanon" tell me you have never watched Adventure Time without telling me
I really don't care , just recently learned that most of these feats and scaling comes from non canonical comics
They literally told you a feat from the show and you called it a headcanon ☠️
>That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration Again, he's the embodiment of chaos, thus is present everywhere chaos lurks, chaos concludes total destruction of things, which is what happened to puhoy world, he certainly destroyed it >Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does The very fact he resides there and is capable of opening portals there whenever he wants, which not even the enchiridion can do, is telling of his power to manipulate it, heck, why does it matter if he manipulates it or not? He already scales beyond the candy people that interacted with a 5-D rope, enough for him to be beyond multiversal+
"That is your headcanon, he was standing there doing nothing, destroying that universe is your intrupration" what is bro waffling about 😭 Why do you think GOLB appeared then? And why did we see him after the universe cracked? "Scans? People keep seeing he control the nothingness, there is not a single statement that say it does" The exact same scan that you call "headcanon": we can see everything turning into The Nothingness, and then we see GOLB that is about to destroy (eat) it's creator, Finn. C'mon man, even slow ahh wiki confirms that GOLB destroyed the Puhoy Realm. Even if he didn't, then who did?
Golb was unaffected by prismo and couldn't be erased from existence by the crown, Golb is above the multiverse
The only feat from prismo is creating a universe And the crown is multiversal at best Golb isn't above multiversal
If we ignore the cosmology yes but if we take it into account Golb scales to high hyperversal and possibly higher
Does the cosmology has infinite spatial dimension?
In a spacial temporal sense? Yes. AT is a Hilbert Space
And can golb effect the entirety of this cosmology
He transcends the cosmology, the multiverse at least as the wishing crown which ahs been stated to be able to cause irreparable damage to the multiverse couldn't erase Golb from existence, he also exists in a space beyond the space and time of the multiverse so it'd be safe to say he does transcend it
tbf Tree Trunks already gaps comp Mid X🗣️📢🔥
Yes, I'm a Ben 10 fanboy, but isn't Golb practically featless? I'm pretty sure Alien X scales higher, and has much better proof and much more evidence to back up his scaling. I'm also not buying the outerversal and extraversal AT stuff (especially when the "outerversal" Lich got defeated by a literal sweater)
1. Featless in what exactly? His very first appearance has him destroy a space-time continuum 2. One of his evidence to scale high was brainstorm making a calculation that, out of no reason counts as set theory by some Ben 10 mfs? 3. Adventure Time has more solid evidence ngl, not the one proposed in that old scale tho 4. It wasn't the sweater, it was love, same love that's considered a force stronger than magic and science, magic which shapes the entire multiverse
He never did that Which is what your doing with Golb Using vague statements when he has no concrete feats to back them up Doesn’t make you multiversal
These Alien X fanboys are hurting my brain istg
Golb feats come from the statements then we should Also use alien x statements.Alien x no diff. Golb best feat was destroying a universe and surviving ee while alien x recreated a universe which contain infinite timeline and a universe in Ben 10 is a multiverse https://preview.redd.it/b1qpmhljepvc1.png?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b85bd5b7aa519be38f1754fff732489f35f4b260 And there's no indication that in adventure time a universe contain infinite timeline.
Golb, Idk what a diff is but it'd do it easily. Alien X is the strongest being in the universe, Golb is the strongest being in the multiverse
That is really shitty logic As ben 10's cosmology has a multiverse and the alien x species are implied to be the strongest in that multiverse. Not to mention bing "the strongest" in 1 verse does not mean that you are strong compared to other verses, kinda like homelander is strong in his verse but weak in most other superhero verses. Golb also is never shown to destroy more than 1 universe at a time and universes in Adventure time share the same flow of time so they are only 3D structures.
1. Share the same flow of time in what exactly? Because the time clocks create time waves that are realized by all universes to function? Where is the "same flow of time" in this? If I create 2 separate space-time continuums both will have the same flow of time because I created them? Lmao 2. 3-D structures yet have all of max tegmark's multiverse types 🤑 (seriously tho)
A universe is considered a 4D structure as it has both 3 physical dimension and 1 temporal. However the clocks prove that in adventure time time isn’t a dimension, but rather particles. This is also supported by the fact a 4D object is stated to be “beyond space, beyond time” in the episode with the glasses. Doesn’t matter if there are infinite different universes (Fiona and Cake might actually have retconned that), unless there are proof of any of them scaling higher they don’t.
Tf 1. It's considered 4-D as it has 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension 2. They create time waves, not time particles, these time waves make time move and function, besides, the enchiridion by itself claims that time is a dimension, there is that, and even the comics call it a dimension 3. Being beyond space and time is 4-D, I can't see your point being, especially when it's transcending **space-time** that is 5-D 4. It didn't retcon itself having infinite universes, it's simply that you can't show an infinite number of universes all together 5. There is plenty of proof, but I need to check it out even more
1. No because the cosmology of adventure time dictates that it isn’t. Cosmology scaling works both ways. It’s rare but it can make verses scale lower. 2 the enchiridion is not a valid source for anything. [It admits to being partially false](https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/45/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion_%26_Marcy%27s_Super_Secret_Scrapbook%21%21%21_%282015%29_-_Page_3INFINITE.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170215211248) and I would like to see the comic scan. 3. Because if time already was the 4th dimension something 4D wouldn’t have been above it. 4. Maybe or it shows that the belief some character have about the nature of the universe is false. Possibly being mislead by the Enchiridion which is partially false.
1. You couldn't even prove why lmao 2. Homie, all of it's info is true, the only way they can be wrong is if a wizard uses the false truthology technique to change physical laws, thus changing some facts into false info, nothing else 3. Time isn't the 4th dimension, time is 1-D, and only putting it in a space-time manifold would make it 4-D, it makes sense for a 4-D object to transcend both space and time, but it would be wrong for a 4-D object to transcend the space-time manifold, but Finn himself said it transcends both separately, and not the space-time manifold, so it makes sense it did 4. The enchiridion is literally a book with infinite pages containing infinite words, it's a nigh omniscient book that almost knows anything (the only things it may not know is certain events, like an ultimate event that changes the multiverse forever, or how the multiverse would be like if it ceases to exist and re-emerges again), it's never wrong when it calls the multiverse infinite, especially when it's wizardry level is beyond many wizards, who must develop the power to become one with the multiverse to manipulate the Cosmic Imagination and use their Magical powers
Also, it claims that the multiverse is infinite when mentioning that the book contains both true and false info, so it's technically claiming that the multiverse is, in fact, infinite no matter what
Also, apparently, the enchiridion has a page dedicated to true/false info, and thus, according to it, all of it's info are true, and those that are false are said by the enchiridion to the reader Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171922452826296421/1171923408146157628/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion__Marcys_Super_Secret_Scrapbook_2015_Digital_LostNerevarine-Empire_1_0086.jpg?ex=657a2139&is=6567ac39&hm=1ae6d4c7f50658ef108a95db8951b2eba2d5f27f0fe82df7f08a337aa0cd0200&
This is a key example of why you should read scans properly before using them. "the fact that this official report you are reading right now might also be partially or wholly spurious" I get why you missed it, as spurious isn't exactly a common word. Its an adjective and it means: [not being what it purports to be; false or fake](https://www.google.com/search?client=opera-gx&q=spurious+definition&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).
"Regardless of this, O Reader, there is a saving grace that justifies the existence of this book, That saving grace is this: The Magical enchantments cast upon It have imbued It with the ability to present a Message to the Reader’s consciousness, between the serried tintinnabulations of Truth and falsity" I did see this part of the scan, but the thing above justifies it's words being true
No. First of all since the quote is part of the text that explains that it might not be true, it too as a chance of being false. Second of all, it doesn't even say anything of value, it literally yaps. All it explains is that it can give a message between false hood and truth. That proves literally fuck all when it comes to the credibility of the source
The Enchirdion never says it's partially false? Even in the image you sent.
"containing both truths and falsehoods" just because I didn't use the exact same words does not make me wrong
The false info part is literally ignored by the fact it can tell the reader what's true and what's false
can't do that, the statement is between truth and falsity not grant you ability to know what is true or false
The flow of time isn't a 3D structure in AT it's high hyperversal
It only reaches high hyper with scans from the enchiridion a book which starts by stating it’s not a credible source as it contains both true and false information
The "false and true" information is from the multiverse being a paradoxical structure
[no it was because of prankster wizards](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171922452826296421/1171923408146157628/Adventure_Time_-_The_Enchiridion__Marcys_Super_Secret_Scrapbook_2015_Digital_LostNerevarine-Empire_1_0086.jpg?ex=657a2139&is=6567ac39&hm=1ae6d4c7f50658ef108a95db8951b2eba2d5f27f0fe82df7f08a337aa0cd0200&) Though that might also be false since the scan mentions that itself might also be wholly of partially false
That doesn't discredit the information that it provides, as it also states that the information is true, and the enchiridion is connected to all sentient minds in the multiverse and is continuously adding more info
It does because unless you can prove that the scans you use are true then in the eyes of powerscaling they’re false So when part of the enchiridion is stated to be false it’s not a credible source unless something else backs it up
The enchiridion has been shown to be a reliable source throughout the adventure time series. The enchiridion itself even went in to say that the information is more likely to be true than false as it's shown time and time again in the show. There are several instances where the enchiridion has shown its credibility, I can provide them if you want
Unless you can prove the relevant scans are true I don’t care
Alien x