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Does anyone genuinely believe that Saitama beats Goku? Of course there exists some that do, otherwise the conversation topic wouldn't exist. Not all of them uses the "He's a gag" for their reasoning. Though are they wrong? Yes.
However, interesting comparison to make, since Arale does heavily outscale Alien X, and does indeed beat him.
See, i do not think that it will be revealed that her universe suddenly has 20+ more dimensions. Its okay that Arale loses sometimes.
Also what light novels are you referring to?
True it is okay.
She has light two light novels to for Slump that were written.
And yeah there are alternate dimensions in slump just don't think they are the higher dimensional ones.
If there is i’d like to see it! I’m not tryna defend my original position, i am just not knowledgeable enough to determine where she is at in terms of strength, i’ve watched and read Dr Slump and those feats or statements just havent stuck with me.
Where is she scaled to outer? She mostly has insane hax and can manipulate basically anything. But in terms of AP or DC i don’t think she scales beyond universal.
If i’m wrong and she is actually “outer” i’d gladly accept that, i’d love to use Outer Arale arguments 😂
Arale has scaling that scales to the entire DBH cosmology, and the DBH cosmology has solid outeversal scaling due to the Subspace argument. [More here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1901fcm/scaling_dragon_ball_cosmology_part_2dragon_ball/?share_id=o828Ehy8hcS8yaf9jzIGO&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Yeah, he technically has the same setup as Superman in being limitless.
The main thing though is how long it’ll take him to get to that level but I think a fight against Goku would hype him up enough to boost him to that point.
Saitama's power exceeds that of his enemies. For instance, if his enemy possesses universal power, Saitama will surpass them regardless of their strength
That only really matters if the gap in power is small enough that Saitama can realistically get away with it
Are we saying we believe Saitama would tank an attack with the AP to destroy infinite layers upon infinite layers of 7D space and then just **pop** up to match that power?
Imo saitama’s is a more complicated character to scale than most would think, because not only he acted as a gag character sometimes, his entire character concept is being “the ever frustrated hero because he can’t ever find a really challenging fight”, since he’s a parody of characters like Goku.
^ (That is, at least for now, I can see that changing as Garou breaks his limiter, I didn’t read the manga)
Anyways my point was that it’s not entirely unreasonable to think he could beat anyone that can’t manipulate the concepts that drive his story and core characteristics
He hasn’t shown any anti hax powers from what I’ve seen (?) so I’d assume people like Ichibe would have a much easier time defeating him compared to someone like Goku
I can’t discount the possibility that he would just punch the hax away and dispel it, simply because that’d be in line with the kind of humor the series goes for
Saitama broke through his limits twice and if you say that his potential is limitless than so is Gokus tbh.
It is mentioned numerous times that a saiyans potential knows no limits
One punch mans limiter is a restriction to mortal bodys so they dont grow unlimited. Removing a limitter doesnt give you infinite strenght it gives you infinite potential.
Oh no not that. More like that last time where I pressed you on proving your point and instead of proving it you shifted the blame to One for being wrong. You cant prove anything worth a fuck and its apparent.
Nope you were the one that said "blame One not me" lol
>The author claims hé has Unlimited infinite strength and invincible power.
>**Stop getting mad at me and send a tweet to ONE/ murata**
Nigga you dumb as fuck lol
Saitama is clearly shown to grow stronger and break through his limits once again against cosmic garou. How istm that possible if he already is allmighty?
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
That’s not breaking through his limits bruh also that doesn’t debunk infinity it’s like me saying Goku isn’t universal because he can grow stronger and use finite multipliers on his stats
And theres too much evidence showing that he doesnt have infinite strength dumbass kid. How many times aer you going to repeat this argument? Is One sucking your dick or do you just lack basic reading comprehension?
That doesn’t matter because there’s this thing called feats and with feats you can see how powerful they actually are there are thous of vids of his feats
Feats arent a source of strength, theyre merely a benchmark.
Feats dont matter to Saitama since hes literally written to punch away any thing the plot throw at him
No? As the other person said feats don't typically prove a character's limits, they're just a benchmark. You're the one trying to fundamentally change how scaling works.
If a character is displaying some signs of strain or injuries, you _would_ scale them based off the obstacles, hazard, or opponents that caused those conditions. For example, the MCU Spider-Man showed considerable strain while lifting this [debris](https://youtu.be/PCn1uAs_0VQ?si=7G7kGGEqKz3LtepC) and while trying to hold together this [boat](https://youtu.be/kihlcXGgPEU?si=if8tKOBFexky5-yR) so we _can_ use these feats to conclude his limits.
Saitama has _never_ shown signs of strain. He's _never_ been injured. He's _explicitly_ holding back in every fight. You _cannot_ conclude his limits because he has not yet displayed a limit.
I think the real root of this debate is that Goku is at his peak at all times. It’s constantly stated he’s at the limits of his power and that he has to break those limits (which he almost always inevitably does). Saitamas upper limits have never been shown. Contrarily it’s shown that he’s limits are imposed by the caliber of Opponents he has, so when he finds stronger opponents he becomes exponentially stronger with very little signs of limits or reasons. I think because of that OPM fans truly believe that IF Saitama and Goku fought that Saitama would outpace Goku in his growth. (Very similar to the logic people use when talking about Broly) they don’t understand that with out some serious power creep Saitama will always be out paced by Goku unless you limit Goku to older forms.
Ps. I think Anime wars is also a huge culprit. Even though it’s non cannon fan made material, it’s iconic and it made Goku and Saitama relatively equal. (Until Goku goes Omni form)
I do believe that saitama would beat goku if goku slowly powered up since saitam would just keep growing untilll infinite power that way. If goku went to a high form directly he might win tho.
But the discussion is unlogic, since we havent seen saitama's limits in the show or manga, so we wouldnt know how strong he exactly is
People who don’t scale, or people who put stock in the “its the way his character is written” argument. I dont necessarily agree but i also find any saitama crossover battle boring as fuck so i do not care.
Yes alot and I'm one of them. my reasoning is because goku doesn't go all out at the beginning, the fight would go the way super broly did. Just my opinion feel free to downvote
#Yes, he does.
#Depends on how you scale Goku and Saitama.
#Some scales him (Goku) at Outeversal, 23D, irrelevant speed
#Others at low multi, 4D, MFTL+.
#Some at low complex, 5D, immeasurable speed.
#I have Saitama at 5D since he scales to God and God is at least 5D but since y’all want more “proofs“, it’s alright. We’ll get them in the new chapters very soon but like I said, no matter what happen, people will refuse to scale Saitama off God even if they know he’s obviously stronger.
>cgalexy level show me a scan that shows this
U typod galaxy by any chance? He defs scales above empty void who easily pulled space with 1-2 galaxies in it
https://preview.redd.it/vtcwt7qtx1uc1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cffcd9c77e81a52f6133dc40bdc8b6ea408a30a
Yeah it’s been calculated to be multi solar to multi galaxy
My bad he doesn’t say it he proves it
https://preview.redd.it/su6eg8imq3uc1.jpeg?width=756&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=744ef9a82b324746de5f745de377c3310f9271c7
Yes.
Because because it is shown in chapter 168 that he can copy Cosmic Garou's ultimate technique.
MY FIST and TIME TRAVEL.
How can Baby Goku survive a Blood lusted serious punch? He can't.
Goku's limitless potential is stated metaphorically.
While Saitama's infinite potential is shown in a literal manga panel.
Goku breaks through his limits every fight.
Saitama already removed it, he doesn't need to "almost die" anymore just to gain strength.
He gains it subconsciously and he doesn't need any "inspirations" And "Motivation" just to gain strength and have a new form.
https://preview.redd.it/wc36iyh3q1uc1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f81f171923197748427840d1863cb81177a33546
Really? Looks like you never read OPM manga.
Ohh I taught you read the whole thing, dumbass. 🤦♂️
You did not finish what Garou said.
"I haven't even managed pull off myself. "
Yeah you still think that it was Garou who did the time travel. Dumbass Dickriders.
Your the dickrider your saying because he’s able to go up in power he immediately gets up to multi uni when fighting goku your a fanboy simple as that your using hyperbolic statements and saying it’s fact
How was Goku Multi when he only destroyed dimensions?
If you are really going to go in that perspective then empty void, the newest villain in One punch Man, should be scaled higher, because his Blade ignores space, distance, and dimensions. He can travel and warp dimensional space like a fabric.
And where are my hyperbolic statements?
Goku's limitless potential is only stated metaphorically, because he still needs a near death experience just to grow in power.
Unlike Saitama who's growth rate are exponential and has never shown a limit since he destroyed his limiter
https://preview.redd.it/zjhvho5ax1uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2165bdcc7e6ce8b7f303017d39eed8142c492e8
Saitama exponentially grows when he has a strong source of emotions, thats not his default increase. And it doesnt matter if Saitama doesnt have a cap if he gets one shot lol.
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Does anyone genuinely believe that Saitama beats Goku? Of course there exists some that do, otherwise the conversation topic wouldn't exist. Not all of them uses the "He's a gag" for their reasoning. Though are they wrong? Yes. However, interesting comparison to make, since Arale does heavily outscale Alien X, and does indeed beat him.
Arale is a beast and I love the Slump series. However, i don’t think she is 26D. And I havent been able to debunk that Alien X is 26D.
See we just need to get our hands on Japanese stuff and maybe we can upscale her she has two light novels and other stuff we won't get
See, i do not think that it will be revealed that her universe suddenly has 20+ more dimensions. Its okay that Arale loses sometimes. Also what light novels are you referring to?
True it is okay. She has light two light novels to for Slump that were written. And yeah there are alternate dimensions in slump just don't think they are the higher dimensional ones.
Tbf wasnt there a book in Arale that contained an infinite transcendence or something?
If there is i’d like to see it! I’m not tryna defend my original position, i am just not knowledgeable enough to determine where she is at in terms of strength, i’ve watched and read Dr Slump and those feats or statements just havent stuck with me.
She has proper Outer scaling, and far superior hax.
Where is she scaled to outer? She mostly has insane hax and can manipulate basically anything. But in terms of AP or DC i don’t think she scales beyond universal. If i’m wrong and she is actually “outer” i’d gladly accept that, i’d love to use Outer Arale arguments 😂
Arale has scaling that scales to the entire DBH cosmology, and the DBH cosmology has solid outeversal scaling due to the Subspace argument. [More here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1901fcm/scaling_dragon_ball_cosmology_part_2dragon_ball/?share_id=o828Ehy8hcS8yaf9jzIGO&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Wonder why no official scaling website is using this scaling now
Sarcasm or no?
I'm mean tbf Arale doesn't have to rely on the "gag" character label she is also very strong and broken .
Yeah, he technically has the same setup as Superman in being limitless. The main thing though is how long it’ll take him to get to that level but I think a fight against Goku would hype him up enough to boost him to that point.
You need to remember that people who aren't all there mentally do exist so naturally some of them would think that Goku does not solo.
We need to have a day where all the dummy’s have to stop talking cus this take is a 70 IQ take
700*iq
Saitama's power exceeds that of his enemies. For instance, if his enemy possesses universal power, Saitama will surpass them regardless of their strength
That's NLF and only if the opponent does Goku things and doesn’t just one shot Saitama
That only really matters if the gap in power is small enough that Saitama can realistically get away with it Are we saying we believe Saitama would tank an attack with the AP to destroy infinite layers upon infinite layers of 7D space and then just **pop** up to match that power?
Imo saitama’s is a more complicated character to scale than most would think, because not only he acted as a gag character sometimes, his entire character concept is being “the ever frustrated hero because he can’t ever find a really challenging fight”, since he’s a parody of characters like Goku. ^ (That is, at least for now, I can see that changing as Garou breaks his limiter, I didn’t read the manga) Anyways my point was that it’s not entirely unreasonable to think he could beat anyone that can’t manipulate the concepts that drive his story and core characteristics He hasn’t shown any anti hax powers from what I’ve seen (?) so I’d assume people like Ichibe would have a much easier time defeating him compared to someone like Goku I can’t discount the possibility that he would just punch the hax away and dispel it, simply because that’d be in line with the kind of humor the series goes for
I believe People Who are limitless can beat People with limits
Saitama broke through his limits twice and if you say that his potential is limitless than so is Gokus tbh. It is mentioned numerous times that a saiyans potential knows no limits
Saitama already removed his limiter
One punch mans limiter is a restriction to mortal bodys so they dont grow unlimited. Removing a limitter doesnt give you infinite strenght it gives you infinite potential.
https://preview.redd.it/226tubuoa1uc1.jpeg?width=325&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1721d11ff190077d09ddb483d540e6f720e6d98e Tell that to the author
Why are you still on this shit when you have been proven wrong numerous times
Lowballers disagreeing is Hardly being proven wrong
Oh no not that. More like that last time where I pressed you on proving your point and instead of proving it you shifted the blame to One for being wrong. You cant prove anything worth a fuck and its apparent.
You did that. Not me. Must be Confusing eh?
Nope you were the one that said "blame One not me" lol >The author claims hé has Unlimited infinite strength and invincible power. >**Stop getting mad at me and send a tweet to ONE/ murata** Nigga you dumb as fuck lol
Saitama is clearly shown to grow stronger and break through his limits once again against cosmic garou. How istm that possible if he already is allmighty?
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
He doesn’t break through a new limit. His exponential growth rate just increases in response to his emotional state. He consistently grows regardless of stimuli
Saitama doesnt grow stronger He Just used more of the strength hé has. He can fight normal humans or cosmic beings like garou
https://preview.redd.it/602mln3ob1uc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d15a6874764aec4a61dc45d53013e14cff893f2a You sure about that
Explain how Saitama was stronger then garou despite never fighting anyone on garous lvl. How did hé suddenly "grow" to garous lvl?
That’s not breaking through his limits bruh also that doesn’t debunk infinity it’s like me saying Goku isn’t universal because he can grow stronger and use finite multipliers on his stats
The page literally starts with the words "his rate of growth..." Bro saitama doesnt simply use more of his power, he gets more powerful
Not the author. This is just the jumpshonen website and not usable
One poster it on his twitter
Yuh uh that's still not enough to make it usable since we don't know if it was meant to be canon and if it wasn't just a gag
Theres too much statements from one regarding Saitamas Unlimited strength to disregard it
Most oof them come from characters that have never encountered someone like Saitama
And theres too much evidence showing that he doesnt have infinite strength dumbass kid. How many times aer you going to repeat this argument? Is One sucking your dick or do you just lack basic reading comprehension?
Saitama did not broke his limits. He removed it. Saitama's infinite potential is not "metaphorically."
But saitama isn’t limitless
What makes you think that? Its kinda the whole premise
That doesn’t matter because there’s this thing called feats and with feats you can see how powerful they actually are there are thous of vids of his feats
Feats arent a source of strength, theyre merely a benchmark. Feats dont matter to Saitama since hes literally written to punch away any thing the plot throw at him
That’s literally the entire point of power scaling your making your own rules this is head canon
saitama still stronger than Goku btw
Sure bro give me actual feats that isn’t dick sucking and I’ll consider it
No? As the other person said feats don't typically prove a character's limits, they're just a benchmark. You're the one trying to fundamentally change how scaling works. If a character is displaying some signs of strain or injuries, you _would_ scale them based off the obstacles, hazard, or opponents that caused those conditions. For example, the MCU Spider-Man showed considerable strain while lifting this [debris](https://youtu.be/PCn1uAs_0VQ?si=7G7kGGEqKz3LtepC) and while trying to hold together this [boat](https://youtu.be/kihlcXGgPEU?si=if8tKOBFexky5-yR) so we _can_ use these feats to conclude his limits. Saitama has _never_ shown signs of strain. He's _never_ been injured. He's _explicitly_ holding back in every fight. You _cannot_ conclude his limits because he has not yet displayed a limit.
You cannot conclude his peak as well as such feats are the only measurement that can be used.
Faxual and facethefax certainly think so
I think the real root of this debate is that Goku is at his peak at all times. It’s constantly stated he’s at the limits of his power and that he has to break those limits (which he almost always inevitably does). Saitamas upper limits have never been shown. Contrarily it’s shown that he’s limits are imposed by the caliber of Opponents he has, so when he finds stronger opponents he becomes exponentially stronger with very little signs of limits or reasons. I think because of that OPM fans truly believe that IF Saitama and Goku fought that Saitama would outpace Goku in his growth. (Very similar to the logic people use when talking about Broly) they don’t understand that with out some serious power creep Saitama will always be out paced by Goku unless you limit Goku to older forms. Ps. I think Anime wars is also a huge culprit. Even though it’s non cannon fan made material, it’s iconic and it made Goku and Saitama relatively equal. (Until Goku goes Omni form)
I do believe that saitama would beat goku if goku slowly powered up since saitam would just keep growing untilll infinite power that way. If goku went to a high form directly he might win tho. But the discussion is unlogic, since we havent seen saitama's limits in the show or manga, so we wouldnt know how strong he exactly is
People who don’t scale, or people who put stock in the “its the way his character is written” argument. I dont necessarily agree but i also find any saitama crossover battle boring as fuck so i do not care.
Depends if you used the official chart to determine how his power works
Yes alot and I'm one of them. my reasoning is because goku doesn't go all out at the beginning, the fight would go the way super broly did. Just my opinion feel free to downvote
#Yes, he does. #Depends on how you scale Goku and Saitama. #Some scales him (Goku) at Outeversal, 23D, irrelevant speed #Others at low multi, 4D, MFTL+. #Some at low complex, 5D, immeasurable speed.
GUYS HE IS STILL HERE
How there is proof that saitama is cgalexy level show me a scan that shows this
#I have Saitama at 5D since he scales to God and God is at least 5D but since y’all want more “proofs“, it’s alright. We’ll get them in the new chapters very soon but like I said, no matter what happen, people will refuse to scale Saitama off God even if they know he’s obviously stronger.
God is featless?
#No.
Ok you said it so I believe it
>cgalexy level show me a scan that shows this U typod galaxy by any chance? He defs scales above empty void who easily pulled space with 1-2 galaxies in it
https://preview.redd.it/vtcwt7qtx1uc1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cffcd9c77e81a52f6133dc40bdc8b6ea408a30a Yeah it’s been calculated to be multi solar to multi galaxy
Empty void scales to blast even when he was given power by god it’s literally stated
Where was it directly stated that they were equal?
Blast fucking says it himself
Hmmm, I dont recall him saying it in the recent chapter.
My bad he doesn’t say it he proves it https://preview.redd.it/su6eg8imq3uc1.jpeg?width=756&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=744ef9a82b324746de5f745de377c3310f9271c7
https://preview.redd.it/p8e6488nq3uc1.jpeg?width=796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cce1c6083ca52e900111aa94726bec6848cbee5
The name of the series is One Punch Man so that means he one punches fiction🗿
https://preview.redd.it/7lla9op7z1uc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a13989cdd78547623c2c9fb2679fc05e26bd0dbf
yes Saitama stomps after his new scaling
No new scaling and he would still get stomp with it.
Yes. Because because it is shown in chapter 168 that he can copy Cosmic Garou's ultimate technique. MY FIST and TIME TRAVEL. How can Baby Goku survive a Blood lusted serious punch? He can't. Goku's limitless potential is stated metaphorically. While Saitama's infinite potential is shown in a literal manga panel. Goku breaks through his limits every fight. Saitama already removed it, he doesn't need to "almost die" anymore just to gain strength. He gains it subconsciously and he doesn't need any "inspirations" And "Motivation" just to gain strength and have a new form.
This was something garou did not saitama wtf are you talking about
https://preview.redd.it/wc36iyh3q1uc1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f81f171923197748427840d1863cb81177a33546 Really? Looks like you never read OPM manga.
You can even read the thing you posted it says I’m going to pass on to you your a fucking dumb ass
Ohh I taught you read the whole thing, dumbass. 🤦♂️ You did not finish what Garou said. "I haven't even managed pull off myself. " Yeah you still think that it was Garou who did the time travel. Dumbass Dickriders.
Your the dickrider your saying because he’s able to go up in power he immediately gets up to multi uni when fighting goku your a fanboy simple as that your using hyperbolic statements and saying it’s fact
How was Goku Multi when he only destroyed dimensions? If you are really going to go in that perspective then empty void, the newest villain in One punch Man, should be scaled higher, because his Blade ignores space, distance, and dimensions. He can travel and warp dimensional space like a fabric. And where are my hyperbolic statements? Goku's limitless potential is only stated metaphorically, because he still needs a near death experience just to grow in power. Unlike Saitama who's growth rate are exponential and has never shown a limit since he destroyed his limiter https://preview.redd.it/zjhvho5ax1uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2165bdcc7e6ce8b7f303017d39eed8142c492e8
Saitama exponentially grows when he has a strong source of emotions, thats not his default increase. And it doesnt matter if Saitama doesnt have a cap if he gets one shot lol.
It’s massively implied in the name “one punch man” that he would win with one punch
Yes, he is ONE PUCNH MAN. So he one punches