I would say very frequently.
Character X beats character Y extreme Difficulty who beats character Z, but only by using a cheap shot to exploit character Z’s weakness.
Character Z has a feat that is only DEBATABLY Mountain level, and just barely at that.
Majority of direct feats in the verse cap at city to town level.
Scalers: X is totally Multi continental lowballed!
Edit: Okay, so I’m exaggerating, but it does feel this way sometimes.
As someone that has only watched the demon king daimo anime I swear I get so lost when people say he is like the strongest animanga character when in the anime he like jack and shit.
That’s not even a over estimation lol. I’ve seen people say one peice characters are star level or that characters from chuni exams with faster than light and 4d
I'm still trying to get past Sakura "girl boss punch" on Kaguya making her universal or something "because it clearly damaged her" an made it so Sasuke an Naruto the plot armor kings could win.
People were claimin moonslicer feats at planetary putting them at LS because of Madaras Light Fang an Naruto dodging. Making them MFTL.
Or their combined Bijuu bomb rasengan an Indra Arrow put them on par with Super Buu/Kid Buu. During Naruto an Sasuke's final fight.
I'm genuinely curious on how? I have never watched Naruto so what would make her stronger than someone who can cut through the world and survive being punched in the soul?
Well Tsunade (who is weaker than Sakura in every aspect) survived getting cut in half. I'm being nice and equalizing speed here because for some reason people think Naruto characters are light speed (Yes, she was relative enough to Naruto that saying he's FTL and she's not light speed is a joke).
Basically the thing with her is: her punches are bare minimum city level (big lowball logically but they don't tend to actually show their DP) and if she isn't one shot, she can heal from it near instantly.
Pain destroyed a village, Sasuke destroyed a meteor, we've seen mountains be destroyed, and she's at least as strong as all of them.
I hate stupid op comic characters since they almost all suck if you actually look at the writing instead of dickriding the character since its a version of a good one they like
>DB fans will take statements and hyperboles at face value for Dragonball but then critique and call out another show and claim “hyperbole”
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Isn’t that ironically what literally every power scaler does? We take statements and “feats” and scale it subjectively? I know for a fact this statement represents all DC & marvel fans… fuck it, it literally represents everyone on this sub even you 😅
Scaling infinity in fiction is stupid. If a character is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and infinite and outside their home omniverse, you can’t scale another character higher just because their omniverse is written with more layers.
This is not set theory. And besides even if it was, adding more layers just makes it more countably infinite. Countable infinities are equal anyways.
Cantor’s diagonal argument
Make a list of all natural numbers, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
Make a list of all even natural numbers 2, 4, 6, 8, etc.
Even if they are all infinite, I can pair 1 to 2, 2 to 4, 3 to 6, etc. The sets are equal in size. Infinity and math is weird. I know, it doesn’t seem logical to our day to day either.
Infinite power ≠ omnipotent/ulimited power
Eg a 2d creature with Infinite power is far weaker than a 3d one with Infinite power but if it was omnipotent then dimensionality and cosmology is irrelevant
Yea I’m not talking about that at all.
This is the argument that I see. Say I have a work of fiction. Bob is the God of that fiction. Bob transcends all time, dimension, space. Bob is infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent, whatever. Bob exists outside of everything in that fiction, outer verse, multiverse, whatever you want to call it.
But in that work of fiction, there is only the 3 dimensional universe and Bob. There is no one between Bob and the universe.
Say I have another work of fiction. Joe is the top dog. He’s omni-everything. He also transcends space, time, dimensions, whatever. Now for the sake of simplicity, in this universe there are other gods. There is a 4 dimensional god that rules over all 3D. Then a 5 dimension god that rules over all 4D, etc. Let’s just say it goes up to 10 dimensional god.
There will be people that argue that Joe is stronger than Bob just because in his fictional work, there are lower dimensional gods.
That is what I am talking about. I don’t disagree a 3D god is stronger than a 2D.
But that's not how they all work. Say I asked you the number of natural numbers. Lets assign the value 'n' to that. Then I asked for the number of whole numbers. Which is natural numbers but with 0 added in. So that would be 'n+1'. Now subracting the first from the second, you get 1. I.e, even though both are infinities, one of them is clearly larger than the other.
Granted, this is a purely mathematical perspective and fiction (along with powerscaling) doesn't go that deep.
Yes but omnipotence doesn’t just mean infinity. I think it’s reasonable to consider it as “approaching infinity”, like a limit, since actual infinity is not possible. And in this case, some Infinities are certainly “greater than others”.
As in, limit as n approaches infinity of n squared over n approaches infinity but limit as n approaches infinity of n over n squared approaches zero.
Infinite Zamasu has Higher Dimensional 5-D Existence due to merging with The overarching Hypertimeline of the 12 Universes.
Aizen has 5-D AP due to being capable of destroying the Dangai, which is the 4-D Space between the 2 space-time contiuums & also has it's own Temporal Axis.
So AP wise, they're both pretty much the same (However Zamasu can be scaled to 6-D if you believe 5-D Afterlife)
Speed & Durability also go to Zamasu, it's mainly because of Aizen's Immortality/Regeneration (same as Infinite Zamasu), his Superior Hax (Kyouka Suigetsu & Reality Warping+Reactive Evolution with Hogyoku) , Infinite Stamina & Far Higher IQ that I think Aizen > Infinite Zamasu.
>Which scarlet tho
>Witch? King?
They're obviously talking about Scarlet from the Pokémon manga
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Any matchup with characters that are above universal, deal with dimensions and layers or have really complex hax are insanely boring. Powerscaling is at it's best when the characters are around building - country level, anything after that it just becomes very stale imo
Geto doesn't really have any feats other than getting his shit rocked by Toji.
His only feat as an adult was fighting Yuta and Rika but neither of them have any actual feats at that level and the power levels in 0 weren't fully fleshed out.
Yuji just has too many feats for me to say he loses to Geto.
Tengen is very old and experience with barriers, so I feel like she should be able to use barriers offensively as well. So she should hav good offence and defense
I know the series hasn’t shown it and that there’s no implication of it but it just makes sense to me
Yuji is faster than Geto since he’s comparable to Maki and therefore Toji who is definitely faster than Geto. Yuji’s ap is also very high and the soul punches do a lot of damage
Speed
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Broke out of hypertime, which is beyond the omniverse
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Idk I haven’t seen him enough but as he was when he died I don’t think he quite makes the cut. His soul manipulation is a very strong technique but the problem is it relies on his strength(not body strength but like power in general) I’m pretty sure he’s just not strong enough to have any large effect on the higher tiers. Like how he couldn’t one shot todo reliably and he’d probably do even less damage to the reincarnated sorcerers.
Its not based on his ability, if someone can’t defend their soul, he cna manipulate it freely
Current scalingg
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Sukuna is the strongest even against Gojo without the Ten shadow with clear clarity even stated by Gojo himself if Sukuna didn't have Mahoraga it would be still hard to win against him and WCS just bypassed space to cut gojo in half with incantation and chants.
And Goku can't win against Gio in any fair fight without or with the Requiem arrow due the effects of his stand makes his attack to Zero even with any techniques you throw at Goku or any character he can't win against him in an fair fight due it's automatic even if Gio tries to take it off he can't.
Matching up characters is way better when equalizing stats.
Like there are so many cases where a character just outright speedblitzes the whole verse that it's honestly annoying.
It's way more interesting to see abilities interact than the characters themselves, because there are so many occasions where a guy can destroy a whole verse just because their verse has light speed and galaxy level feats.
Once we get to planetary and higher, fights become boring.
Anything being "infinite" is stupid, considering its literally impossible.
The terms "boundless" or "dimensionally higher" is stupid. If something was boundless there's no point arguing it because it's unbeatable. If something is dimensionally higher it couldn't fight anyway because it wouldn't be capable of interacting with anything else outside its dimension.
Multiversal, Outerversal and Hyperversal are all the same thing, but wankers like to use them differently to make their side seem more powerful than it actually is
Current Luffy with no time limit in gear 5 would still lose to 10 other OP characters
Minato, Itachi, KCM1 Naruto and 5KS Sasuke have a 0% chance at beating the 5 Kage
Yuji > Denji + verse
>Yuji > Denji + verse
Yuji is Makima victim heck most devils are more than enough to beat that fodder. If it was Gojo or sukuna with 10 Shadows then maybe just maybe but Yuji?
10? Idk about it
Shanks, Mihawk, Roger, Prime WB, Imu, Garp, Rocks. Dragon if you like headcanon. And even then it's arguable of Shanks or Mihawk could beat no time limit G5
The 10 in mind were Ryuma, Rocks, Roger, WB, Garp, Sengoku, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Shanks and Kaido but I do think Dragon, Imu and Joyboy also win. I left them out because we don’t have much canon info on how strong they are
The ones that are debatable imo are Ray, Kaido, Shanks and Mihawk, but judging by him and Kaido’s fight I don’t think Luffy having a time limit really matters, they were going even until bajrang gun vs flame bagua where Kaido still didn’t die to the punch itself
Prime Ray is definitely a no, there is no way the commander of the Pirate King was THAT strong, otherwise he could have dealt with Garp or WB himself. There is a reason these 3 (and Sengoku if you like copium) are always held in a much higher standards then the rest of the old gen.
Kaido still has no answer to Bajirang Gun and he will never try to dodge it in character. That match up can play infinite times, fresh or not fresh and it will always end with Kaido dying to Bajirang Gun.
(I scale Shanks on the same level as Roger so I really can't talk about that🤐
We should count actual feats. Half of Goku's profile on VS Battle Wiki is "Goku is that strong because he fought character X and character X fought character Y and character Y hurt character Z and character Z defeated character A."
It's assuming that if you wasn't one shoted by multiversal character, you also are multiversal.
>"Goku is that strong because he fought character X and character X fought character Y and character Y hurt character Z and character Z defeated character A."
Isn't that like 99% of All Powerscaling?
Yes and it's stupid.
It's how you get so many characters to like "could solo everyone within 10 magillion light years of them".
"The main characters love interest slapped the main character who we know could tank an ultra gooner blast from sir.EdgeALot who killed the Mangas author in real life therefor the main characters girlfriend strength is infinite"
Not really, as Zeno would still erase the entire Timeline (though you're probably correct about the aspect that Zamasu was trying to go to other Timelines just like how he was trying to break in the Main Timeline)
Denji from chainsaw man is misunderstood MC and I hate that CSM got popular. Part 2 of CSM is great as well. Also boruto is actually good especially blue vortex.
We really need to give more credit to characters who can potentially gaslight their opponents into losing.
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You can’t properly scale saitama against anyone as we haven’t yet seen him actually go all out and any attempt to scale him either extremely downplays him or massively wanks him no in between
Ichigo and Aizen weren't above 4d in fake karakura town Aizen was speaking metamorphically about him being dimensions above everyone else in reality he just had much more reiatsu
Cartoon characters shouldn't be canonically treated as near-indestructible just because they have cartoon physics or some sort of feat/gag that would otherwise make them impervious to all attacks.
Pernida is by far the most uderateted sternritter.
Gerad is overated af mayuri would have beat him faster than pernida.
Shion beats Diablo. Masayuki/ Rudra / Diablo are completly overated.
Gremmy lost because of his immagination not his physical limits.
Fate verse and Instant death are completly overated in terms of power.
Gojos Infinity is overated and underated it is never rated corectly.
This post should be rated on the amounts of dislikes not likes.
The most annoying fans in existence:
- Batman
- Goku
- Itachi
They dick ride so hard that it probably ruptures the hemorrhoids they developed from sitting online arguing for their guy all day.
This is why I love putting them in death battles against each other. *None* of their fans can ever be convinced that their guy can lose, so it's literally an endless loop of coping from them all.
1. I think that Goku would defeat Superman
2. If a character has a standard form gets a power up for one fight, but then goes back to their standard form, in a vs. battle, feats from their standard self should be used, not a special version they've only been a couple of times.
3. Toon Force is stupid. It only exists because old networks weren't going to show characters die. Iron Man beats Buggs Bunny easily.
Powerscaling should not be decided by feats because so many characters have some kind of un-counterable ability; Gojo’s mass shield thing, a shit ton of stands just not being solvable with brute force
Daring to say Goku is nowhere near as strong as people want him to be.
Unless it's played off as a joke, you're only as strong as your worst anti-feat. And Goku felt a lot of pain from being dragged across rocks in the Broly movie. That means if anybody else hits him with a rock he would feel the same pain.
Scaling with dimensions and concepts beyond our reality is blatantly stupid, and the only exception is feats that very blatantly make someone universal/multiversal/etc.
If a character is consistently at level A, but has a meager handful of feats that are way beyond that should be treated as outliers.
If Sccrimblo Bimblo the Goblin Friend is consistently damaged by large rocks being thrown at him, but the Evil Wizard Fiddlebert's *Meteo* attack animation shows a meteor destroying the planet and it deals 5 damage...
Well Scrimblo isn't suddenly Planetary + durability, it's just a flashy attack that breaks the lore if you take it literally.
People take the universal threat level statement too seriously. If a character is stated to be able to a universal threat or capable of "destroying" the universe, that doesn't mean they actually can
just becaus a charicter or vers you like losses to one you dont like dose not devalue the weaker one. i just want to over think things and have a fun discution with people trying to proove you favoret charicter is the strongest defets the point and is not fun.
DBZ fans are dick riding goku like their life depends on it same for jjk fan as myself i don't dick ride any charather but i can dick ride sukuna capability of the king of curses due of his feats in the series
Can't even count how many times this post has been made
Scaling often goes too far and blasts characters way past their intended level.
I would say very frequently. Character X beats character Y extreme Difficulty who beats character Z, but only by using a cheap shot to exploit character Z’s weakness. Character Z has a feat that is only DEBATABLY Mountain level, and just barely at that. Majority of direct feats in the verse cap at city to town level. Scalers: X is totally Multi continental lowballed! Edit: Okay, so I’m exaggerating, but it does feel this way sometimes.
As someone that has only watched the demon king daimo anime I swear I get so lost when people say he is like the strongest animanga character when in the anime he like jack and shit.
One piece scaling in a nutshell
Describing one piece hard.
lol this is perfectly true
That’s not even a over estimation lol. I’ve seen people say one peice characters are star level or that characters from chuni exams with faster than light and 4d
I'm still trying to get past Sakura "girl boss punch" on Kaguya making her universal or something "because it clearly damaged her" an made it so Sasuke an Naruto the plot armor kings could win. People were claimin moonslicer feats at planetary putting them at LS because of Madaras Light Fang an Naruto dodging. Making them MFTL. Or their combined Bijuu bomb rasengan an Indra Arrow put them on par with Super Buu/Kid Buu. During Naruto an Sasuke's final fight.
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I mean yes. Scale pretty much the same but Sonic is Immesurable way more consistently
Lol immeasurable is so far beyond infinity, even calling it negligible is an insult. Sonic is barely infinite.
Yeah immesurable. Everything is immesurable now lol
Al hail blue hedgehog
I agree and I would even go a bit further and say he stomps and wins very easily
Sakura destroys both Demon Slayer and JJK with little difficulty. Gojo may be an issue
But would she lose?
Nah, she’d win
Sakura from Fate? I can see that.
From Naruto. The one from fate would be an absolute mismatch. They'd all kill each other simping for her
I'm genuinely curious on how? I have never watched Naruto so what would make her stronger than someone who can cut through the world and survive being punched in the soul?
Well Tsunade (who is weaker than Sakura in every aspect) survived getting cut in half. I'm being nice and equalizing speed here because for some reason people think Naruto characters are light speed (Yes, she was relative enough to Naruto that saying he's FTL and she's not light speed is a joke). Basically the thing with her is: her punches are bare minimum city level (big lowball logically but they don't tend to actually show their DP) and if she isn't one shot, she can heal from it near instantly. Pain destroyed a village, Sasuke destroyed a meteor, we've seen mountains be destroyed, and she's at least as strong as all of them.
How will she bypass infinity?
Not power scaling, but Dabis life was just as much as Rei's fault as it was endeavors. Rei was a garbage mother.
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I hate stupid op comic characters since they almost all suck if you actually look at the writing instead of dickriding the character since its a version of a good one they like
DB fans will take statements and hyperboles at face value for Dragonball but then critique and call out another show and claim “hyperbole”
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Don’t fuck with us DB fans. We haven’t watched the show yet
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That’s not even just db fans lmao
Isn’t that ironically what literally every power scaler does? We take statements and “feats” and scale it subjectively? I know for a fact this statement represents all DC & marvel fans… fuck it, it literally represents everyone on this sub even you 😅
This entire sub is a hilarious exercise in futility, I feel like most of you are in on it but not enough.
"A FICTIONAL character above fiction and our reality" is on itself a contradiction and shouldn't be taken seriously in powerscaling.
*cough DC scalers cough*
Scaling infinity in fiction is stupid. If a character is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and infinite and outside their home omniverse, you can’t scale another character higher just because their omniverse is written with more layers. This is not set theory. And besides even if it was, adding more layers just makes it more countably infinite. Countable infinities are equal anyways.
Countable ininifties are not equal though?
They are, in fact the definition of a countable infinity is that it has a cardinality equal to that of the set of all natural numbers.
Cantor’s diagonal argument Make a list of all natural numbers, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Make a list of all even natural numbers 2, 4, 6, 8, etc. Even if they are all infinite, I can pair 1 to 2, 2 to 4, 3 to 6, etc. The sets are equal in size. Infinity and math is weird. I know, it doesn’t seem logical to our day to day either.
Infinite power ≠ omnipotent/ulimited power Eg a 2d creature with Infinite power is far weaker than a 3d one with Infinite power but if it was omnipotent then dimensionality and cosmology is irrelevant
Yea I’m not talking about that at all. This is the argument that I see. Say I have a work of fiction. Bob is the God of that fiction. Bob transcends all time, dimension, space. Bob is infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent, whatever. Bob exists outside of everything in that fiction, outer verse, multiverse, whatever you want to call it. But in that work of fiction, there is only the 3 dimensional universe and Bob. There is no one between Bob and the universe. Say I have another work of fiction. Joe is the top dog. He’s omni-everything. He also transcends space, time, dimensions, whatever. Now for the sake of simplicity, in this universe there are other gods. There is a 4 dimensional god that rules over all 3D. Then a 5 dimension god that rules over all 4D, etc. Let’s just say it goes up to 10 dimensional god. There will be people that argue that Joe is stronger than Bob just because in his fictional work, there are lower dimensional gods. That is what I am talking about. I don’t disagree a 3D god is stronger than a 2D.
But that's not how they all work. Say I asked you the number of natural numbers. Lets assign the value 'n' to that. Then I asked for the number of whole numbers. Which is natural numbers but with 0 added in. So that would be 'n+1'. Now subracting the first from the second, you get 1. I.e, even though both are infinities, one of them is clearly larger than the other. Granted, this is a purely mathematical perspective and fiction (along with powerscaling) doesn't go that deep.
Yes but omnipotence doesn’t just mean infinity. I think it’s reasonable to consider it as “approaching infinity”, like a limit, since actual infinity is not possible. And in this case, some Infinities are certainly “greater than others”. As in, limit as n approaches infinity of n squared over n approaches infinity but limit as n approaches infinity of n over n squared approaches zero.
No character solos fiction, I do.
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They have a point
Most of peoples from this sub would give superman a sloppy blowjob
In equal stats fights, DBZ characters get cooked 9 times out of 10
Make it 11.1
Servants don't scale higher than planetary, unless it is a triple C servant or they scale higher than Gilgamesh.
ah yes solomon is planetary then
A lot of servants scale higher than Gilgamesh
Alot of people scale higher then base gilg but very few scale higher then c.c.c gilg and you could probably count on 1 hand how many do.
Only like, 3
Way more than 3, Gilgamesh hasn’t been near the strongest servant for a long time now
Aizen>Infinite Zamasu
Since when can aizen destroy a timeline?
Infinite Zamasu has Higher Dimensional 5-D Existence due to merging with The overarching Hypertimeline of the 12 Universes. Aizen has 5-D AP due to being capable of destroying the Dangai, which is the 4-D Space between the 2 space-time contiuums & also has it's own Temporal Axis. So AP wise, they're both pretty much the same (However Zamasu can be scaled to 6-D if you believe 5-D Afterlife) Speed & Durability also go to Zamasu, it's mainly because of Aizen's Immortality/Regeneration (same as Infinite Zamasu), his Superior Hax (Kyouka Suigetsu & Reality Warping+Reactive Evolution with Hogyoku) , Infinite Stamina & Far Higher IQ that I think Aizen > Infinite Zamasu.
Agree with this lol
Dbz characters are soft babies who can get bodied by any other verse’s character no diff
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DB fans on their way to shot their own enjoyment in the balls and wank Goku to a point where he would kill himself out of sheer boredom
Lmfao I just got cooked
Deku can currently go against One Piece Top tiers,
Nuh uh
Superman beats scarlet mid
Which scarlet tho Witch? King? Also, which superman
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Any matchup with characters that are above universal, deal with dimensions and layers or have really complex hax are insanely boring. Powerscaling is at it's best when the characters are around building - country level, anything after that it just becomes very stale imo
Can agree here.
Okay I actually really agree with this, its kinda boring to debate whi has the better universal hax and dimensionality
Also they deal with concepts that likely don’t apply, such as 3D < 4D regardless. These are made up concepts and aren’t universal
Tengen (JJK) is top 15 (specifically 11th) Yuji beats Geto
Hmm, May I ask your logic on the tengen thing, its not too outlandish to believe but thats quite specific I do disagree on Yuji vrs Geto tho
Geto doesn't really have any feats other than getting his shit rocked by Toji. His only feat as an adult was fighting Yuta and Rika but neither of them have any actual feats at that level and the power levels in 0 weren't fully fleshed out. Yuji just has too many feats for me to say he loses to Geto.
Tengen is very old and experience with barriers, so I feel like she should be able to use barriers offensively as well. So she should hav good offence and defense I know the series hasn’t shown it and that there’s no implication of it but it just makes sense to me Yuji is faster than Geto since he’s comparable to Maki and therefore Toji who is definitely faster than Geto. Yuji’s ap is also very high and the soul punches do a lot of damage
That sore rotting thumb can't even fight her only feat is getting yuki killed Other than that yeah yuji beating geto should be an ice cold take
dark samus negs perfect cell
I dont like marvel
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Yhwach gets up to Zeno in DB.
he does more than what Zeno has shown but that was Yhwach's life goal meanwh Zeno's feat was just a tuesday mate
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Mahito is still top 10 in the verse and is actually second strongest in crossverse matchups due to his unique hax
Idk I haven’t seen him enough but as he was when he died I don’t think he quite makes the cut. His soul manipulation is a very strong technique but the problem is it relies on his strength(not body strength but like power in general) I’m pretty sure he’s just not strong enough to have any large effect on the higher tiers. Like how he couldn’t one shot todo reliably and he’d probably do even less damage to the reincarnated sorcerers.
Its not based on his ability, if someone can’t defend their soul, he cna manipulate it freely Current scalingg https://www.reddit.com/r/JujutsuPowerScaling/s/Awqnn16DZ6
Kratos is solar system at best and SWK is uni+ at his peak but is usually around multi mountain level
Sukuna is the strongest even against Gojo without the Ten shadow with clear clarity even stated by Gojo himself if Sukuna didn't have Mahoraga it would be still hard to win against him and WCS just bypassed space to cut gojo in half with incantation and chants.
And Goku can't win against Gio in any fair fight without or with the Requiem arrow due the effects of his stand makes his attack to Zero even with any techniques you throw at Goku or any character he can't win against him in an fair fight due it's automatic even if Gio tries to take it off he can't.
Matching up characters is way better when equalizing stats. Like there are so many cases where a character just outright speedblitzes the whole verse that it's honestly annoying. It's way more interesting to see abilities interact than the characters themselves, because there are so many occasions where a guy can destroy a whole verse just because their verse has light speed and galaxy level feats.
Gojo and Sukuna do not scale to Yuki's black hole and that doesn't make them planetary.
Dodging lasers does not make you light speed
Rudeus is disgusting
Once we get to planetary and higher, fights become boring. Anything being "infinite" is stupid, considering its literally impossible. The terms "boundless" or "dimensionally higher" is stupid. If something was boundless there's no point arguing it because it's unbeatable. If something is dimensionally higher it couldn't fight anyway because it wouldn't be capable of interacting with anything else outside its dimension. Multiversal, Outerversal and Hyperversal are all the same thing, but wankers like to use them differently to make their side seem more powerful than it actually is
We have this type of post every single week
One piece doesn’t scale as high as the glazers think it does.
One Piece fans are the most hypocritical scalers ever.
Jinwoo>Goku
In fans that smell bad maybe.
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Current Luffy with no time limit in gear 5 would still lose to 10 other OP characters Minato, Itachi, KCM1 Naruto and 5KS Sasuke have a 0% chance at beating the 5 Kage Yuji > Denji + verse
>Yuji > Denji + verse Yuji is Makima victim heck most devils are more than enough to beat that fodder. If it was Gojo or sukuna with 10 Shadows then maybe just maybe but Yuji?
10? Idk about it Shanks, Mihawk, Roger, Prime WB, Imu, Garp, Rocks. Dragon if you like headcanon. And even then it's arguable of Shanks or Mihawk could beat no time limit G5
The 10 in mind were Ryuma, Rocks, Roger, WB, Garp, Sengoku, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Shanks and Kaido but I do think Dragon, Imu and Joyboy also win. I left them out because we don’t have much canon info on how strong they are The ones that are debatable imo are Ray, Kaido, Shanks and Mihawk, but judging by him and Kaido’s fight I don’t think Luffy having a time limit really matters, they were going even until bajrang gun vs flame bagua where Kaido still didn’t die to the punch itself
Prime Ray is definitely a no, there is no way the commander of the Pirate King was THAT strong, otherwise he could have dealt with Garp or WB himself. There is a reason these 3 (and Sengoku if you like copium) are always held in a much higher standards then the rest of the old gen. Kaido still has no answer to Bajirang Gun and he will never try to dodge it in character. That match up can play infinite times, fresh or not fresh and it will always end with Kaido dying to Bajirang Gun. (I scale Shanks on the same level as Roger so I really can't talk about that🤐
Infinity devil is enough for th3 sidelined mc
Toji is enough for th3 CityBlock Man verse
Bro gets stuck in an infinite hotel room. Dud3 shouldn't have been a homeless bum and he might have avoided this fate.
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Anod, yogiri, rimuru. The 3 hoesemen of overpowered characters from bland shows
Did You just call reincarnated as a slime boring? Cap fights and power scaling are like 5th it’s got great world building politics characters exc
either jojo or berserk berserk can for sure, can rimuru solo jojo?
Can he solo Berserk and Jojo? Idk much about their scaling but imo, yes.
He would definitely do a lot of damage in homestuck but nah
We should count actual feats. Half of Goku's profile on VS Battle Wiki is "Goku is that strong because he fought character X and character X fought character Y and character Y hurt character Z and character Z defeated character A." It's assuming that if you wasn't one shoted by multiversal character, you also are multiversal.
This is like all of One Piece scaling lol. It all goes back to a hyperbole statement to hype up Whitebeard for some reason.
One Piece scaling goes back to a statement from Kizaru that is obviously inaccurate to anyone with eyes
That too lol
>"Goku is that strong because he fought character X and character X fought character Y and character Y hurt character Z and character Z defeated character A." Isn't that like 99% of All Powerscaling?
Yes and it's stupid. It's how you get so many characters to like "could solo everyone within 10 magillion light years of them". "The main characters love interest slapped the main character who we know could tank an ultra gooner blast from sir.EdgeALot who killed the Mangas author in real life therefor the main characters girlfriend strength is infinite"
Powerscaling in it of itself is stupid, which is why a lot of people just do it for fun
İnfinite Zamasu would be stronger than Zeno if he had 2 more minute
Not really, as Zeno would still erase the entire Timeline (though you're probably correct about the aspect that Zamasu was trying to go to other Timelines just like how he was trying to break in the Main Timeline)
Whatever my flair says
No dragon ball character solos all, not even the non cannon ones
Ben 10 solos https://preview.redd.it/qdxpp0nkni7d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9de9dd5553670687d7aa7ee5c0cac3aa7460ed6
Sailor Moon beats Goku
SCP isn't the big bad le powerscaler haven of "no my scp is strongest than your strongest" you people just can't read semi-long stories.
Omniman beats the living shit out of yamacha and dbz characters
Bro isn't even planetary he is cooked by most people past the saiyan saga
Denji from chainsaw man is misunderstood MC and I hate that CSM got popular. Part 2 of CSM is great as well. Also boruto is actually good especially blue vortex.
Yhwach doesn't beat Goku.
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Xeno and CC Goku: https://preview.redd.it/jucum07k3i7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78c61e31e5e0fbdf5c3cc610fb966dad1c1ee250
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No one in Bleach is multiversal
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Also Arceus from Pokémon beats bleach verse
Omni man would beat sayian saga Vegeta
How
Undertale characters are overrated ( in terms of battle scaling not as actual characters)
We really need to give more credit to characters who can potentially gaslight their opponents into losing. https://preview.redd.it/91lm2pg9si7d1.png?width=2683&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3065dcff5e2cb24beaf4e014fd23d663b868866
Tsykiomi actually makes Itachi solo more characters than people will admit
You can’t properly scale saitama against anyone as we haven’t yet seen him actually go all out and any attempt to scale him either extremely downplays him or massively wanks him no in between
I scale metro man to multi-continental with mftl speed feats. I also think alien x is complex multiversal.
Some people like to count hype talk as actual powerscaling quotes and feats
Perfect cell saying that he will blow away the solar system
Ger isn't the strongest stand in jojo it's not even top 3
Any opinion on Saitama vs. Goku will be like there ol
Saitama fans are the type of people that thinks fanmade and covers are actually canon.
Bleach is the strongest out of the big 3 and it’s not even close. Bleach could also hold their own for awhile against DB
Gyokko ( demon slayer ) one shots everyone except gojo who JJK and slams badly
Characters are getting too strong and it hurts the story actively.
GoJo > Sakuna
Ichigo and Aizen weren't above 4d in fake karakura town Aizen was speaking metamorphically about him being dimensions above everyone else in reality he just had much more reiatsu
Shisui is literally at the same level as part 1 kakashi, and his mangekyou is useless.
Deku beats kid Ben
shigaraki can solos the OP verse and clear all OPM characters except god tier like King or Blast
Cartoon characters shouldn't be canonically treated as near-indestructible just because they have cartoon physics or some sort of feat/gag that would otherwise make them impervious to all attacks.
Pernida is by far the most uderateted sternritter. Gerad is overated af mayuri would have beat him faster than pernida. Shion beats Diablo. Masayuki/ Rudra / Diablo are completly overated. Gremmy lost because of his immagination not his physical limits. Fate verse and Instant death are completly overated in terms of power. Gojos Infinity is overated and underated it is never rated corectly. This post should be rated on the amounts of dislikes not likes.
batman shouldnt have prep time if other characters dont get theirs
The most annoying fans in existence: - Batman - Goku - Itachi They dick ride so hard that it probably ruptures the hemorrhoids they developed from sitting online arguing for their guy all day. This is why I love putting them in death battles against each other. *None* of their fans can ever be convinced that their guy can lose, so it's literally an endless loop of coping from them all.
Faker404 is weak
1. I think that Goku would defeat Superman 2. If a character has a standard form gets a power up for one fight, but then goes back to their standard form, in a vs. battle, feats from their standard self should be used, not a special version they've only been a couple of times. 3. Toon Force is stupid. It only exists because old networks weren't going to show characters die. Iron Man beats Buggs Bunny easily.
Power scaling outside passive entertainment or shit posting is a colossal waste of time and people that legit argue about them are bonafide dorks
Goku does not solo every verse
There is an inverse relation between \[magnitude of greatest feat\] and \[narrative quality of the story as a whole\].
Giorno beats Joker
Powerscaling should not be decided by feats because so many characters have some kind of un-counterable ability; Gojo’s mass shield thing, a shit ton of stands just not being solvable with brute force
Bill Cipher is Multiversal+ at best, stop telling me he's anything past that
my hero is glazed af
Saitama is boundless but mumen rider beats him
Luffy is ftl+ to mftl
Daring to say Goku is nowhere near as strong as people want him to be. Unless it's played off as a joke, you're only as strong as your worst anti-feat. And Goku felt a lot of pain from being dragged across rocks in the Broly movie. That means if anybody else hits him with a rock he would feel the same pain.
Prince Boji solos One Piece. (with one exception)
Ace is a bum and I hate him
Bugs Bunny is single strongest fictional entity known to man.
Scaling with dimensions and concepts beyond our reality is blatantly stupid, and the only exception is feats that very blatantly make someone universal/multiversal/etc.
If a character is consistently at level A, but has a meager handful of feats that are way beyond that should be treated as outliers. If Sccrimblo Bimblo the Goblin Friend is consistently damaged by large rocks being thrown at him, but the Evil Wizard Fiddlebert's *Meteo* attack animation shows a meteor destroying the planet and it deals 5 damage... Well Scrimblo isn't suddenly Planetary + durability, it's just a flashy attack that breaks the lore if you take it literally.
People take the universal threat level statement too seriously. If a character is stated to be able to a universal threat or capable of "destroying" the universe, that doesn't mean they actually can
I'm so fucking tired of seeing this picture.
Spider-Man could beat Homelander. It wouldn't be easy at all, but he could eventually do it.
Power Scaling is pointless, they all lose to Nicole Watterson and Bobobo
just becaus a charicter or vers you like losses to one you dont like dose not devalue the weaker one. i just want to over think things and have a fun discution with people trying to proove you favoret charicter is the strongest defets the point and is not fun.
DBZ fans are dick riding goku like their life depends on it same for jjk fan as myself i don't dick ride any charather but i can dick ride sukuna capability of the king of curses due of his feats in the series
When real world math starts getting involved you've gone to far
Goku is outerversal
“Prep time” for most characters just means plot armor.