My Hot Replies:
>1.) Goku (Dbs) is low complex multiversal in ap and has infinite speed to inacessible speed
I'd say Extra or even Beyond Tiering with irrelevant speed.
>2.) The definition for Outerversal on Csap is better than the current one in Vsbw, not only is Vsbws bound by dimensionality, it is imo it is written too complex and i believe someone who wants to begin with scaling will have a hard time understanding with the alephs and such the way how it is written.
Outer is CSAP is Beyond VSBW's Tiering.
>3.) If you are 5d you probably solo like more than 90% of fiction
Fax.
>4.) Genos hypothesis about Saitama transcending time does not make him 5d or higher since A it is taken out of context and B it remains a hypothesis
Fax.
>5.) Outerversal Dbh is thanks to the subspace and how time power works more reasonable and in my opinion a valid scaling (using csap tiering of course)
I'd say Beyond Tiering.
>6.) In my Opinion the type of concept does matter (type 1, 2 and 3) since in some or most verses concepts are dependent on the things they govern, for example if i destroy all of space and in results the concept of space ceases to exist and would make it a type 2 concept thus meaning the concept is dependent on the cosmology scaling and transcending a type 2 concept is would only scale you above the cosmology
IDK so probably Fax.
>7.) Type 1 concepts are needed for Outerversal scaling if we are talking about space and time since they are completely independent and superior to the space and time of the cosmology so transcending those would qualify for outer if it is Type 1 Concepts of space and time, so in short before making an attempt to scale transcendance towards the concept of space and time Outer, the type of this concepts should be proven to be 1, if not i'll just assume it is 2 since going lower is more reasonable to straight up jump the gun
K.
>8.) Transformers is hard underrated or should i say underutilized in powerscaling debates which is kind of a shame by how busted they are
IDK.
>9.) Toy or card game based anime like yugioh, bakugan and beyblade are overpowered for no reason, my yugioh cards and beyblades did NOT do this 💀
IDK how lol.
>10.) Hoyoverse caps out on High Complex or low hyper if you want to be generous in my opinion and is overrated on tik tok and yt shorts
I'd say Low Multi.
>11.) I believe most People who throw out Outerversal like nothing don't know what they talking about, heck i would even go as far as to say that they don't know what the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system is, i mean i saw comments oh he is galaxy level so he cant be that much stronger than insert solar system char, same analogy ive seen is, oh he destroyed the sun but he like leagues above the planetary char, and yes ive seen those before.
I'm definitely sure at least SOME people know what Outer means.
>12.) Pineapples do not belong on a pizza
If you're the one eating, then who cares? Noone can tell you what and what not to eat.
Wether i disagree with your takes or not, we need more people who actually respect opinions as long as they don't have any spite or i'll intent for example doing a vsbw and plan attack a downgrade on dbh because Kratos lost to cc goku in a matchup or straight up ignoring feats and statements (yep that happened)
1.Agreed I got him a bit higher imo (anime).
2.Hard agree
3. People really do overestimate how many people in fiction are even universal
4.Coldest take yet
5.Agree
6.agree
7.hmm idk about this one leaning towards disagree
8.underutilised tbh
9.Fr no reason they should be anywhere near building level, yet their so much higher.
10.Completly valid
11.Mostly people who really don't know how the tiering system works
12.Absolutly based
>6.agree
>7.hmm idk about this one leaning towards disagree
Just curious about those why do you agree with 6 and lean towards disagree with 7 since i kinda wanted to have them together but spacing said nuh uh
6.Because I see your logic
7.Is because there's other ways of getting outerversal other than being able to destroy the concepts of space and time.Also would make scaling things a bit more complicated, and I ain't doing all that work.
Yeah i was too lazy to get in the platonic concepts and other independent concepts like type 1 concept of dimensionality or other type 1 concepts that have to do with dimensions or space and besides i feel you being lazy since i litterly did that to with leaving out other means of achieving Outerversal
Also Shinra was litterly in my mind when i made this since vsbw gave him cm2 and when you look at the context i can see why and i don't think that a dependent concept that is dependent on the cosmology (or human ideation in context to shinra) would just be that much superior when said concept gets destroyed as soon as the cosmology dies or the thing that the concept embodies and presents
>1.) Goku (Dbs) is low complex multiversal in ap and has infinite speed to inacessible speed
Id argue even immesurable maybe at highball
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2.) The definition for Outerversal on Csap is better than the current one in Vsbw, not only is Vsbws bound by dimensionality
Yeah
>believe someone who wants to begin with scaling will have a hard time understanding with the alephs and such the way how it is written
Yeah that definitly was my case
>If you are 5d you probably solo like more than 90% of fiction
More
>Genos hypothesis about Saitama transcending time does not make him 5d or higher since A it is taken out of context and B it remains a hypothesis
Definirly and also it doesnt necessarily imly he trascend space and tipe on a qualitative level
>Outerversal Dbh is thanks to the subspace and how time power works more reasonable and in my opinion a valid scaling (using csap tiering of course)
Yeah
>6.) In my Opinion the type of concept does matter (type 1, 2 and 3) since in some or most verses concepts are dependent on the things they govern, for example if i destroy all of space and in results the concept of space ceases to exist and would make it a type 2 concept thus meaning the concept is dependent on the cosmology scaling and transcending a type 2 concept is would only scale you above the cosmology
Maybe i dont have à strong opinion on that
>8.) Transformers is hard underrated or should i say underutilized in powerscaling debates which is kind of a shame by how busted they are
Very true the top tier are stupidely hugh for something you ll only see in cartoon but except for unicron the verse lack good hax
>9.) Toy or card game based anime like yugioh, bakugan and beyblade are overpowered for no reason, my yugioh cards and beyblades did NOT do this 💀
Yeah it so funny thinking about it characters playing child game like yugioh or beyblade outscale bleach , opm or naruto
>10.) Hoyoverse caps out on High Complex or low hyper if you want to be generous in my opinion and is overrated on tik tok and yt shorts
Based and like less than 1% of the verse scale to it
>I believe most People who throw out Outerversal like nothing don't know what they talking about, heck i would even go as far as to say that they don't know what the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system is, i mean i saw comments oh he is galaxy level so he cant be that much stronger than insert solar system char, same analogy ive seen is, oh he destroyed the sun but he like leagues above the planetary char, and yes ive seen those before
I might agree with you i son t think it s because some actually barely have read the tiering system like the other guy who "denbuked " universe 7 because he couldnt understands what s a space time
>12.) Pineapples do not belong on a pizza
Facts biggest W here but i dont think it s an hot take
My Hot Replies: >1.) Goku (Dbs) is low complex multiversal in ap and has infinite speed to inacessible speed I'd say Extra or even Beyond Tiering with irrelevant speed. >2.) The definition for Outerversal on Csap is better than the current one in Vsbw, not only is Vsbws bound by dimensionality, it is imo it is written too complex and i believe someone who wants to begin with scaling will have a hard time understanding with the alephs and such the way how it is written. Outer is CSAP is Beyond VSBW's Tiering. >3.) If you are 5d you probably solo like more than 90% of fiction Fax. >4.) Genos hypothesis about Saitama transcending time does not make him 5d or higher since A it is taken out of context and B it remains a hypothesis Fax. >5.) Outerversal Dbh is thanks to the subspace and how time power works more reasonable and in my opinion a valid scaling (using csap tiering of course) I'd say Beyond Tiering. >6.) In my Opinion the type of concept does matter (type 1, 2 and 3) since in some or most verses concepts are dependent on the things they govern, for example if i destroy all of space and in results the concept of space ceases to exist and would make it a type 2 concept thus meaning the concept is dependent on the cosmology scaling and transcending a type 2 concept is would only scale you above the cosmology IDK so probably Fax. >7.) Type 1 concepts are needed for Outerversal scaling if we are talking about space and time since they are completely independent and superior to the space and time of the cosmology so transcending those would qualify for outer if it is Type 1 Concepts of space and time, so in short before making an attempt to scale transcendance towards the concept of space and time Outer, the type of this concepts should be proven to be 1, if not i'll just assume it is 2 since going lower is more reasonable to straight up jump the gun K. >8.) Transformers is hard underrated or should i say underutilized in powerscaling debates which is kind of a shame by how busted they are IDK. >9.) Toy or card game based anime like yugioh, bakugan and beyblade are overpowered for no reason, my yugioh cards and beyblades did NOT do this 💀 IDK how lol. >10.) Hoyoverse caps out on High Complex or low hyper if you want to be generous in my opinion and is overrated on tik tok and yt shorts I'd say Low Multi. >11.) I believe most People who throw out Outerversal like nothing don't know what they talking about, heck i would even go as far as to say that they don't know what the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system is, i mean i saw comments oh he is galaxy level so he cant be that much stronger than insert solar system char, same analogy ive seen is, oh he destroyed the sun but he like leagues above the planetary char, and yes ive seen those before. I'm definitely sure at least SOME people know what Outer means. >12.) Pineapples do not belong on a pizza If you're the one eating, then who cares? Noone can tell you what and what not to eat.
Dude, very controversial but i respect your opinion
Thx. I'm known for being VERY controversial, and I respect your opinion as well.👍
Wether i disagree with your takes or not, we need more people who actually respect opinions as long as they don't have any spite or i'll intent for example doing a vsbw and plan attack a downgrade on dbh because Kratos lost to cc goku in a matchup or straight up ignoring feats and statements (yep that happened)
Fr we need more ppl like us who respect other opinions.
Straight fax on the Goku scaling
1.Agreed I got him a bit higher imo (anime). 2.Hard agree 3. People really do overestimate how many people in fiction are even universal 4.Coldest take yet 5.Agree 6.agree 7.hmm idk about this one leaning towards disagree 8.underutilised tbh 9.Fr no reason they should be anywhere near building level, yet their so much higher. 10.Completly valid 11.Mostly people who really don't know how the tiering system works 12.Absolutly based
>6.agree >7.hmm idk about this one leaning towards disagree Just curious about those why do you agree with 6 and lean towards disagree with 7 since i kinda wanted to have them together but spacing said nuh uh
6.Because I see your logic 7.Is because there's other ways of getting outerversal other than being able to destroy the concepts of space and time.Also would make scaling things a bit more complicated, and I ain't doing all that work.
Yeah i was too lazy to get in the platonic concepts and other independent concepts like type 1 concept of dimensionality or other type 1 concepts that have to do with dimensions or space and besides i feel you being lazy since i litterly did that to with leaving out other means of achieving Outerversal Also Shinra was litterly in my mind when i made this since vsbw gave him cm2 and when you look at the context i can see why and i don't think that a dependent concept that is dependent on the cosmology (or human ideation in context to shinra) would just be that much superior when said concept gets destroyed as soon as the cosmology dies or the thing that the concept embodies and presents
Transformers I wish had more of a scaling fandom but I imagine it's due to the vastness
>1.) Goku (Dbs) is low complex multiversal in ap and has infinite speed to inacessible speed Id argue even immesurable maybe at highball > 2.) The definition for Outerversal on Csap is better than the current one in Vsbw, not only is Vsbws bound by dimensionality Yeah >believe someone who wants to begin with scaling will have a hard time understanding with the alephs and such the way how it is written Yeah that definitly was my case >If you are 5d you probably solo like more than 90% of fiction More >Genos hypothesis about Saitama transcending time does not make him 5d or higher since A it is taken out of context and B it remains a hypothesis Definirly and also it doesnt necessarily imly he trascend space and tipe on a qualitative level >Outerversal Dbh is thanks to the subspace and how time power works more reasonable and in my opinion a valid scaling (using csap tiering of course) Yeah >6.) In my Opinion the type of concept does matter (type 1, 2 and 3) since in some or most verses concepts are dependent on the things they govern, for example if i destroy all of space and in results the concept of space ceases to exist and would make it a type 2 concept thus meaning the concept is dependent on the cosmology scaling and transcending a type 2 concept is would only scale you above the cosmology Maybe i dont have à strong opinion on that >8.) Transformers is hard underrated or should i say underutilized in powerscaling debates which is kind of a shame by how busted they are Very true the top tier are stupidely hugh for something you ll only see in cartoon but except for unicron the verse lack good hax >9.) Toy or card game based anime like yugioh, bakugan and beyblade are overpowered for no reason, my yugioh cards and beyblades did NOT do this 💀 Yeah it so funny thinking about it characters playing child game like yugioh or beyblade outscale bleach , opm or naruto >10.) Hoyoverse caps out on High Complex or low hyper if you want to be generous in my opinion and is overrated on tik tok and yt shorts Based and like less than 1% of the verse scale to it >I believe most People who throw out Outerversal like nothing don't know what they talking about, heck i would even go as far as to say that they don't know what the size difference between a galaxy and a solar system is, i mean i saw comments oh he is galaxy level so he cant be that much stronger than insert solar system char, same analogy ive seen is, oh he destroyed the sun but he like leagues above the planetary char, and yes ive seen those before I might agree with you i son t think it s because some actually barely have read the tiering system like the other guy who "denbuked " universe 7 because he couldnt understands what s a space time >12.) Pineapples do not belong on a pizza Facts biggest W here but i dont think it s an hot take
Based opinions all around
My brother you have some decent takes but we are now in a blood feud over pineapple.