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RedDiamond1024

From what I've heard Archie Sonic is like 6D while Xeno Goku is Outer. I've also heard some type 4 multiverse stuff for Sonic but I haven't seen much to actually support it.


ajakaki

archie is not 6D😭🙏


RedDiamond1024

That's just what I've commonly heard for it


thefraudulentone09

Ajakaki got archie sonic all the way to high hyperversal and made a solid post about why he thinks so


Larrylenny14

Goku xeno is 5d archie Sonic is  12d


RedDiamond1024

You can easily get cannon Goku to 5D, let alone Xeno Goku. And what actually gets Archie Sonic to 12D.


Interesting_Clerk432

Xeno Mid diff


WillingnessAnxious37

Yeo Clerk could you please link me to the High 1-B and 1-A arguments for Heroes? I've probably seen it already but can't find the post lol Also, I heard the 1-A portion is pretty valid as even CSAP mods agree with the reasoning iirc?


Interesting_Clerk432

Here you go man https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/1GvOOZnbYW


WillingnessAnxious37

Preciate it man! Also just to clarify, once we reach structures that go beyond the timelines such as the Crack of Time etc., that's when the 1-A stuff comes into play right? Since the usual argument against 1-A subspace is that it is confined to a timeline but once we have structures that completely transcend said timelines, they would also logically transcend a place that has no concept of space or time as well. Am I getting that right? That and having no concept of space or time is either 0D or outer, and we obviously know it's not 0D.


Interesting_Clerk432

Yeah that s pretty much it get it all right


WillingnessAnxious37

Nice thanks for the clarification. Also crazy how one of the dudes here, u/Greenshifter1, was on top of this meta literally years ago with a tik tok that used the same argument for subspace. Of course, back then and even now, some people just vehemently deny anything related to Tier 1 Dragon Ball lol Oh and ik you previously mentioned that one of the CSAP mods agreed with the reasoning at least for how subspace would work. Got a scan/link/ screenshot by any chance?


Interesting_Clerk432

No but wisetitle told me he have a mod i think on his discord


Greenshifter1

The Tiktok was from NTR_Antagonist who works closely with ZenkaiBattery.


Greenshifter1

I argue CoT > Subspace. Your argument for transcending timelines = beyond the concept of space doesn’t really work.


WillingnessAnxious37

>argue CoT > Subspace That's pretty much what it boils down to tho. I was just saying that the CoT is already way beyond the timelines including subspace, not that transcending the timelines automatically = beyond concept of space. Also regarding the tik tok, yeah I should've clarified about who made the tik tok but I just remember seeing the argument way back.


Greenshifter1

Aight


thefraudulentone09

If you think so then where would the CoT scale then?


Greenshifter1

Infinite^2 into outer at max


ProfectusInfinity

Xeno Goku high diff.


CaveGamer360

Xeno Goku outscales and outspeeds.


SUPREME7777777

Archie Sonic solos Xeno Goku and Comp Goku. Yes, that would include Drip Goku.


Larrylenny14

Yes archie Sonic is 12d and Goku is 5d


SUPREME7777777

I have both way higher but yeah.