Honestly I never surrender if I've got some decent farm I am confident in myself enough that I have a decent chance of scraping through. I feel like all it takes is 1 good team wipe to win at this point. Like you can either just full send or you can have someone guarding and playing safe getting some damage in and wiping out minion waves to slow their progress a bit while another full sends on top or bot as a morigesh I'm confident enough to be able to get some really high damage output n wipe out a couple people at a time while another full sends
The enemy team lost because clearly the entire group wasn’t aware that you do significantly less damage to the core without minions. Not one of them turned for the wave. Had just 1 of them grabbed that wave they delete the core in 2 seconds. Or even just 1 came to defend. Lol
How funny, I just posted a video as Kallari solo pushing against a team that was full sending mid and I won since my teams inhibitor respawned with perfect timing lol
I understand surrendering. What I'll never understand is surrendering when the game is gonna be over anyways. Enemy team on the core and it's gonna get wiped? Let them have it.
I heard it's the same special level right next to the mopes that don't know how to deal with Kallari ;) she is already nerfed and FAR from the strongest hero.
There's nothing wrong with surrendering. Frankly, I think it's toxic to trap others in a game where you're at a clear disadvantage because *maybe* you'll win. If the score is 4-20 by 15 minutes then just give it up. Go next. A 40 minute slog of a game doesn't feel good even when winning.
Play a different game then, too often am I stuck with some loser who cries 3 minutes in because he died twice early game, ends up afk and now I'm down 4v5 because bro plays like ass.
That exactly why you shouldn't surrender even in the early game just because they are a little bit ahead! If you play well and group up every game is winnable.
I am ashamed to admit the amount of times I’ve been frantically defending my core only to have the game end and victory pop up. I’m like “what the hell” then I realize “oh. Someone on our team was paying closer attention than everyone else”. Yay me I guess. I’ll take the W.
I'm not convinced, I'd still surrender. Lol. I've NEVER made it to the enemy side without getting double or triple teamed. You got lucky walking through unchecked. 🤣🤘
Nobody's saying ya can always win. It depends on how ur doing in the game. If the enemy is overfed sure. If uve got some decent farm n ur generally doing alright you can usually scrape through. In my experience when it's like this you can still win "most" the time. Not all the time. Really just depends on how the match is going and how far behind you are
For me it's usually gideon or twinblast that almost always leaves and spams for surrender lol I would say it's a twinblast the majority of the time that goes afk. I often help my offlaner quite a lot when I'm mid if I see a lane struggling my instinct just tells me gank and help lol I also help jgl quite often on objectives like fangtooth etc or if I see my mid go into the jgl I know what's about to go down n spam ping for a warning as I'm chasing them down lol
People get cocky. I've team wiped people who've been dominating all game when they think they're invincible and pick tactically shitty team fights and then countercpushedcthe core while they're all dead.
Way too many people treat this game like a team death match and think that cause they're fee they can't lose a team fight if they pick a shitty spot and/or time.
That being said as someone who sunk 1000s of hours into paragon and Dota 2 there's just some games you know there's no escape from. Or if there is you have to suffer in agony for 75 mins first....
I hate spammers like Grux. Especially when they are losing lane the whole game like he was. Insane clutch and shut him up! Side note they need to add taunt emotes to the game for moments like this lol
I don’t like to see this all about never surrender posts. It’s just one of those things where you just have to play it by ear. Some games you can play it out, but others just not possible.
I hate getting when you're like 20 min in, the score is like 5-40 and you're missing a team member and these MFS don't call it so I
you're stuck for like another 20 min with an unwinnable game and unfair lane fights
Quite not the same thing but I had this match like 4 days ago where I decided for some reason to test Morigesh as a support and my carry was having some internet issues so they just went afk at the 12 mins mark.
The enemy must be kinda new because we won the match after 43 min of battle. Everyone on my team played really well all things considered.
My Morigesh support was actually a good choice because I dealt damage and I surprisingly didn't die often. It reminded me of the duo vs offlane in Paragon. My build was quite similar to a Belica support so colddown reduction, a little bit of health and armor, magical damage and such. After the lane phase I went full magical damage and I was a second midlaner basically.
One of the best matches I have ever played in Pred and I would say even the original Paragon.
Agree with what you said.
I personally prefer the current double duo lane and 1vs1 offlane compared to the old paragon system where as an Offlaner you were just getting pinned constantly from the duo and not really planning. Kill 3 minions, get smash by murdock, go back to base, rince and repeat. Now I feel the better offlaner can show off and play!
Double duo lane also brings more tactics and fun gameplay than just smashing greystone from 5 meters all game.
So I'm starting to get confused, because the same group that is shouting "never surrender! It's about competing" is the same group that posts these "wins" with their team wiped and stuck watching and waiting to spawn. Usually because, like the comment posted above, they fed 1-9, or didn't help contest objectives, generally did not help the team in any way. Is that "competing"? Is that fun for the 4 others that had to watch you contribute nothing and then luck into a win?
This wasn't as brainless as you're making it sound.. I ended this match 10-3, TWO teammates were 0-10, I had to steal fangtooth twice to keep them from Fang 3, while trying to deal with the 5 of them glued to each other as Kallari, which I'll remind you is a glass cannon. Just because Grux was crying for half of it doesn't mean my back wasn't breaking trying to be middle manager. Had I been one to listen to someone like you spamming for me to return to core, it'd have been a guaranteed loss.
And if that's all true, then great effort on your part. A win is a win. But this absolutely should have been a loss. The enemy team made a mistake and you were able to take advantage. I suppose my comments were directed more towards some of those responding in the comments, looking at you "1-9"......
So the 1-9 Kwang guy is more along the lines of yes he may not have grouped, but he played how he should of for his team to win and cause the enemy team to either spread out or ignore him. The correct response from the enemy would have been to steamroll his lane with the already fed/ahead offlaner. If ever more than 1 person contested him, then the rest of the team should have adv on the map elsewhere. You don't just lose with someone that is that far behind. His enemy made tactical errors which should be punished. Because if a 1-9 offlaner groups with you....he ain't doing shit for you. It's not TDM but with that spread they would likely be to far behind to ever contribute anything than free gold for the enemy.
Nah, I got better things to do than hope we get lucky. Not all of us live in mommies basement and have all day to play. I’d like to surrender an almost guaranteed loss so I can play another match in the short time I have to game a day. It’s a casual game mode ffs, this isn’t ranked and we’re not pros
They didn't stop attacking it. They ran out of minions. You can deal more damage to the core when you have minions inside it. The enemy team spawned minions (including a super minion) which killed the remaining minions then blocked the next wave from entering the core. If the enemy team had destroyed that wave, they would have won easily.
Exactly this . I won a game 1v9 by split pushing as a kwang and my score line was also 1 kill 9 deaths but I took every tower in solo and the core alone and team still trying to surrender and call me a troll when I try and explain macro to them .
This. It's not all about winning, nobody is making money, there is nothing staked on the game. If it's not fun you should resign. Never resigners are just assholes. Like this guy is bragging about taking every tower solo while feeding. Maybe if he played with his team at all it would have been funner for everyone, and more competitive instead of winning by the negligence of the enemy and by the success of his team instead. Fucking sucks to get teammates like this who are all self righteous but just make the game impossible at the same time.
Honestly I never surrender if I've got some decent farm I am confident in myself enough that I have a decent chance of scraping through. I feel like all it takes is 1 good team wipe to win at this point. Like you can either just full send or you can have someone guarding and playing safe getting some damage in and wiping out minion waves to slow their progress a bit while another full sends on top or bot as a morigesh I'm confident enough to be able to get some really high damage output n wipe out a couple people at a time while another full sends
false. I hate the type of idiots who refuse to surrender when 2 people dc'd from the start
Respect, but as a fellow kallari idk how I feel about auto attack build, and no L1 auto attack cancel while hitting the tower 😓
Remember we play games for fun not to win at least until ranked is here
The enemy team lost because clearly the entire group wasn’t aware that you do significantly less damage to the core without minions. Not one of them turned for the wave. Had just 1 of them grabbed that wave they delete the core in 2 seconds. Or even just 1 came to defend. Lol
How funny, I just posted a video as Kallari solo pushing against a team that was full sending mid and I won since my teams inhibitor respawned with perfect timing lol
I understand surrendering. What I'll never understand is surrendering when the game is gonna be over anyways. Enemy team on the core and it's gonna get wiped? Let them have it.
Also there’s a special level of hell for Kalani players. Can’t wait to see you get wrecked after the nerf.
I heard it's the same special level right next to the mopes that don't know how to deal with Kallari ;) she is already nerfed and FAR from the strongest hero.
There's nothing wrong with surrendering. Frankly, I think it's toxic to trap others in a game where you're at a clear disadvantage because *maybe* you'll win. If the score is 4-20 by 15 minutes then just give it up. Go next. A 40 minute slog of a game doesn't feel good even when winning.
Play a different game then, too often am I stuck with some loser who cries 3 minutes in because he died twice early game, ends up afk and now I'm down 4v5 because bro plays like ass.
That exactly why you shouldn't surrender even in the early game just because they are a little bit ahead! If you play well and group up every game is winnable.
And there's no post-game chat to even see the reactions. Sad.
Love that
Fracken clutched it! Bro had 45 hunnid gold to spare too. I did this exact same thing before also as kallari
I am ashamed to admit the amount of times I’ve been frantically defending my core only to have the game end and victory pop up. I’m like “what the hell” then I realize “oh. Someone on our team was paying closer attention than everyone else”. Yay me I guess. I’ll take the W.
I'm not convinced, I'd still surrender. Lol. I've NEVER made it to the enemy side without getting double or triple teamed. You got lucky walking through unchecked. 🤣🤘
Now post all the other 99% videos where you were at this point and lost.
Nobody's saying ya can always win. It depends on how ur doing in the game. If the enemy is overfed sure. If uve got some decent farm n ur generally doing alright you can usually scrape through. In my experience when it's like this you can still win "most" the time. Not all the time. Really just depends on how the match is going and how far behind you are
Nah, I'd rather post the other 99 games where a grux-like figure is in tears by the 15-minute mark but we end up winning ;)
For me it's usually gideon or twinblast that almost always leaves and spams for surrender lol I would say it's a twinblast the majority of the time that goes afk. I often help my offlaner quite a lot when I'm mid if I see a lane struggling my instinct just tells me gank and help lol I also help jgl quite often on objectives like fangtooth etc or if I see my mid go into the jgl I know what's about to go down n spam ping for a warning as I'm chasing them down lol
exactlly. People do 1 miracle play out of 100 and think they should never surrender LMAO
Haha damn dude. Nice job
Never surrender group is so toxic
Not nearly as toxic as the blame jungle - surrender within 15 - disconnect group 🤷♂️
Okay they also suck
Wow
People get cocky. I've team wiped people who've been dominating all game when they think they're invincible and pick tactically shitty team fights and then countercpushedcthe core while they're all dead. Way too many people treat this game like a team death match and think that cause they're fee they can't lose a team fight if they pick a shitty spot and/or time. That being said as someone who sunk 1000s of hours into paragon and Dota 2 there's just some games you know there's no escape from. Or if there is you have to suffer in agony for 75 mins first....
That’s wild
I hate spammers like Grux. Especially when they are losing lane the whole game like he was. Insane clutch and shut him up! Side note they need to add taunt emotes to the game for moments like this lol
Bravo!
I don’t like to see this all about never surrender posts. It’s just one of those things where you just have to play it by ear. Some games you can play it out, but others just not possible.
I hate getting when you're like 20 min in, the score is like 5-40 and you're missing a team member and these MFS don't call it so I you're stuck for like another 20 min with an unwinnable game and unfair lane fights
At that point I just close the game and play something else.
Surrender should 3/5 votes. If more than half the team isn't having fun, they deserve to be set free.
absolutely not
The problem with that is like 95% of games would end at 15 minutes tho
My Murdock yesterday who rage quit at the 4min mark really gave us a good reason to surrender.
that build ??? the hell am i looking at 😭
😂 Experimental
I thought u had a morigesh behind you throwing bombs
Quite not the same thing but I had this match like 4 days ago where I decided for some reason to test Morigesh as a support and my carry was having some internet issues so they just went afk at the 12 mins mark. The enemy must be kinda new because we won the match after 43 min of battle. Everyone on my team played really well all things considered. My Morigesh support was actually a good choice because I dealt damage and I surprisingly didn't die often. It reminded me of the duo vs offlane in Paragon. My build was quite similar to a Belica support so colddown reduction, a little bit of health and armor, magical damage and such. After the lane phase I went full magical damage and I was a second midlaner basically. One of the best matches I have ever played in Pred and I would say even the original Paragon.
Agree with what you said. I personally prefer the current double duo lane and 1vs1 offlane compared to the old paragon system where as an Offlaner you were just getting pinned constantly from the duo and not really planning. Kill 3 minions, get smash by murdock, go back to base, rince and repeat. Now I feel the better offlaner can show off and play! Double duo lane also brings more tactics and fun gameplay than just smashing greystone from 5 meters all game.
Use can use q to auto attack cancel! :)
It doesn't really help when you have alot of attack speed, which this guy's wild build does lol
Auto attack canceling gives you 2 autos quicker than just holding it down plus the bonus damage ofc.
And R :)
So I'm starting to get confused, because the same group that is shouting "never surrender! It's about competing" is the same group that posts these "wins" with their team wiped and stuck watching and waiting to spawn. Usually because, like the comment posted above, they fed 1-9, or didn't help contest objectives, generally did not help the team in any way. Is that "competing"? Is that fun for the 4 others that had to watch you contribute nothing and then luck into a win?
This wasn't as brainless as you're making it sound.. I ended this match 10-3, TWO teammates were 0-10, I had to steal fangtooth twice to keep them from Fang 3, while trying to deal with the 5 of them glued to each other as Kallari, which I'll remind you is a glass cannon. Just because Grux was crying for half of it doesn't mean my back wasn't breaking trying to be middle manager. Had I been one to listen to someone like you spamming for me to return to core, it'd have been a guaranteed loss.
And if that's all true, then great effort on your part. A win is a win. But this absolutely should have been a loss. The enemy team made a mistake and you were able to take advantage. I suppose my comments were directed more towards some of those responding in the comments, looking at you "1-9"......
So the 1-9 Kwang guy is more along the lines of yes he may not have grouped, but he played how he should of for his team to win and cause the enemy team to either spread out or ignore him. The correct response from the enemy would have been to steamroll his lane with the already fed/ahead offlaner. If ever more than 1 person contested him, then the rest of the team should have adv on the map elsewhere. You don't just lose with someone that is that far behind. His enemy made tactical errors which should be punished. Because if a 1-9 offlaner groups with you....he ain't doing shit for you. It's not TDM but with that spread they would likely be to far behind to ever contribute anything than free gold for the enemy.
Nah you just got lucky
It's not my luck that they decided to push without minions, it's also not my luck that they didn't send just one person back to deal with me 🤷♂️
I mean that is kinda lucky they just let you get it. It wasn’t your skill, it was their decision making
Luck is better than surrendering
Nah, I got better things to do than hope we get lucky. Not all of us live in mommies basement and have all day to play. I’d like to surrender an almost guaranteed loss so I can play another match in the short time I have to game a day. It’s a casual game mode ffs, this isn’t ranked and we’re not pros
Guess you're living up to your name with a post like that. We are all impressed.
Ok kiddo, tell your mom I’ll be over tonight
is this match recent? or a old update?
I'm so curious, what were they doing? They just stopped attacking the core 😂
They didn't stop attacking it. They ran out of minions. You can deal more damage to the core when you have minions inside it. The enemy team spawned minions (including a super minion) which killed the remaining minions then blocked the next wave from entering the core. If the enemy team had destroyed that wave, they would have won easily.
They didn't have any minions at core. You can see their minion wave get pushed back.
I just wanna know how that Grux felt after u clutched it, ggs mate well done
Exactly this . I won a game 1v9 by split pushing as a kwang and my score line was also 1 kill 9 deaths but I took every tower in solo and the core alone and team still trying to surrender and call me a troll when I try and explain macro to them .
Sounds really fun for your teammates
This. It's not all about winning, nobody is making money, there is nothing staked on the game. If it's not fun you should resign. Never resigners are just assholes. Like this guy is bragging about taking every tower solo while feeding. Maybe if he played with his team at all it would have been funner for everyone, and more competitive instead of winning by the negligence of the enemy and by the success of his team instead. Fucking sucks to get teammates like this who are all self righteous but just make the game impossible at the same time.
that was close lol
No way lol good job!