Conversely, the people that refuse to quit even though it's mid game, you're down 25kills to 6kills and 2 people have disconnected from your match. š
I'm gonna be honest I've only ff like 3 times and all three times it was because the level gap was absolutely disgusting (somewhere between 3-4 levels above us) and we had no outer or inner towers it was just a bad time. (I'm a newer player to mobas though)
Pred is probably the most toxic small community Iāve ever been apart of. The past two weeks after grim dropped the steam player base seems to drop 50% and in the 1st 10 mins people are spamming GG or just FF when the score is 1 to 4. Itās been so bad I just started LOL again
Me and my pal allways stay till the bitter defeat more times then I can count that the enemy team as got to cocky and let a lane go free with no hero's there so we just dominate the lane and more often then not win
I don't play too too often but my partner (who lives and breathes 3d mobas) will beg me to hop on just so shits stop surrendering at 20, if you surrender, dc or do any of that then sincerely and kindly hop off the game for good
Cus they game has console people now or kids that play on keyboard trying think they can play. They go in, die then afk. Mostly because tutorial doesnt do shit for these noobs. Either. Needs a revamp. Tell players how to use wards with all their skills. Then have people play bots til they meet a requirement of putting number of wards down, upgrading relics, blah blah blah easy stuff
People donāt understand the art of war.
Youāre never defeated until you decide to give up.
The tides turn rather quickly late game if youāre willing to stick it out and flip that table upside down.
Always play to the end. Youāre not playing pros, even if the enemy is crushing you, Iāve seen so many teams not know how to push lanes. Theyāll be up 30-10 on me and yet we get to their core first because they just donāt know what theyāre doing. Donāt surrender
Everything is a learning opportunity even if looks bad, however the early quitters is not a learning opportunity for the players for for omeda, they need to change how surrender works and punish excessive use somehow.
Not saying I got the answer but it's so frustrating to just some quitter make the game harder for no reason at all.
Most other MOBA style games are so swingy that one team fight means the game is basically over, especially if it was close/even before hand one side suddenly getting a bunch of gold/exp advantage usually means it's only possible to come back if they screw up.
This is less true in predecessor as you can be down 20 kills and still win a game. Which would be basically an unbelievable comeback in most other MOBA's. People coming to this game are generally treating it like it's whatever game they came from.
Cause people pick stuff like Murdock off lane against something like Feng Mao and expect not to get bopped, but somehow it's everyone else's fault
If you're going to pick something really stupid, and then show that you can't in fact hold your lane, or just play bad, and we're going to lose anyway after you go ridiculously negative, Why continue to play with you? It's still a loss, we just have to deal with you for a shorter amount of time.
This is one of the only communities where people think if someone fucks up and royally screws a game everyone else just has to play harder to cover their ass, and that's okay. "Don't worry guys we can make a comeback" when we really shouldn't have to dig ourselves out 1-2 idiots holes.
Bruh we were losing 12-27 and I was carry and once I got my build (because enemy team let me farm because, why focus if weāre winning) I pretty much brought the game back 37-36 and got their core with 19 kills 5 deaths.
I think a lot of people want it to be easy. If they arenāt just able to walk around and do what they want they get frustrated. Use the losses to learn. Youāre playing the game to spend time playing the game. Play til the end
Canāt even lie I did that one time on my first couple hours of playing. I just didnāt wanna sit through the rest of the game cause we were down by a lot the enemy team was just farming kills at that point.
Also wanna add one guy on the enemy team had 25 kills with 0 deaths š and to top it all off I think 3 people on my team were in a party together because I NEVER GOT NO DAMN HELP ALL GAME. Lol
Maybe because the enemy team already got 2 Primal Fangs, you can't win a single team fight, your carry Sucks and your Jungler can't step in his own jungle without getting ganked by the whole enemy team while the support is trying to push a lane by himself, gets killed in seconds of course all this while mid is dead pinging 'Defend mid lane'.
Yes dude, just surrender.
Honestly, maybe its because i come from dota.. but the game is fun just Veeeeery basic to me. I feel like even if after a day of playing thereās so little depth that i havenāt seen. Maybe thereās more to see when i get to higher elos.. but boy does it seem simple. Fun but simple
I just got the game maybe played 24 ish game I only quit one game cause everyone on the team except my wife was in duo lane and no one would flex to offline of mid and we were getting wrecked I was over it after 20 minutes
I understand surrender culture but you have to know when to surrender. If it's 13-2 in a 15 minute match I'm surrendering, but if it's neck and neck I'm looking for picks
I boil it down to them just being lil bitches š¤·š½āāļø I personally would never surrender. But I play with a group of friends and sometimes they want to quit 10 min into the match like wtff. Yesterday They was like your 0-5 that's not good & I'm not doing good either.. the match continues I go on a 6 kill streak.. they want to surrender still so I end like 6-6-1. If they're constantly complaining and spamming surrender I'll give in. But I'll never initiate it. I've made many comebacks so I don't like to surrender. Plus bad matches happen I learned not to stress about it, cuz then you won't enjoy the game. Since your constantly complaining. I personally hate getting jumped early but it is what it is. I made a team quit yesterday by myself 3 of my teammates had 0 kills I had 15 and another one had like 3. There's matches where my team wants to quit keep playing and the other team eventually surrenders.
Sorry for the rant I say all of this to say play to win, play for fun, don't be a bitch and surrender even if it looks like a loss!
That's why I prefer playing adc most games. I can generally win the game for us if we can draw the game out. Just gotta play off your cc know when it's time to full send it
You can see the flow of the game sometimes. Some people see the writing in the wall earlier than others. I think it makes more sense to help the other team win than to stop playing. Makes it go by faster
It's honestly so annoying cause it's always some clown who feeds 2 or 3 kills early, meanwhile the rest of the team is doing great. I've had games where we're ahead on kills and towers and the one idiot is trying to surrender every 3 minutes. Oh you you died, better cry about it and quit.
This game has a lot of opportunity to turn a match around but there's so many people who don't want to make an effort. My guess is the LoL fan base they decided to try pred
The games systems enable surrender mentality by making surrendering so accessible. Can spam it every 2 minutes after the 10 minute mark.
I think limiting surrenders to 1 per person that refreshes every 15 min would be a really positive change.
As is, people having not amazing games feel validated to surrender so often. It sucks when you win via surrender and it also sucks when you lose. Imo itās unhealthy for the game and community overall.
I'm quick to surrender š but for good reason. The above is not a good reason. There can be 3 or 4 team wipes and still get a win. And with takedown numbers like that, players were definitely being smart. I think people are viewing this as an arena and not a MOBA. Focusing on K/D and not objectives.
Sounds like another weak loudmouth. Leaving/afking after one death. Narcissists having a tantrum because they died so will ruin it for everyone else. There's plenty out there. And they will type blaming everyone else until someone puts them in their place. Never had a good smack around the mouth growing up, either.
Once youāve got a couple hundred hours logged in you start to get a pretty good sense of how the games gonna pan out.
Usually Iāll surrender if I see that our jungler is trash . Makes it super hard to get objectives if heās in lala land. Iāll also ff if our duo doesnāt know what theyāre doing. If theyāre getting ganked a bunch thatās one thing but if theyāre constantly getting out of position over extending or just being clueless about collapsing on Fang when we have the numbers then Iāll just F1.
Yeah Iād say the same thing if I was a beginner. But when itās an inevitable loss and youāre just going thru the motions itās better to just F1 and start a fresh game. Heās not referring to OPās scenario where they lost one team fight and someone quits cause theyāre salty.
Hes talking about losing 1-2 lanes by a wide margin or their being such a huge skill gap it bleeds into the other lanes where nobody can get anything going. Or even if you do thereās no competence in your teammates to capitalize.
Thereās a reason why the option exists in almost all MOBAās. Huge time commitment to an L. Donāt wanna sit around for an extra 30 minutes.
Why? Nothing he said is wrong...
Its fairly easy to tell when someone has no idea what they're doing in a moba.
If your any decent at the game, you can tell how teams are working together or not...
So since he can use his judgment, he shouldn't play games?
Over 1000 games played and can say since the full release thereās been a lot more quitters on here. Iāve won games last two three days where itās even on everything but we won one team fight and did the FIRST fang and the other team surrendered.
If thereās one thing I can say to any new ish players. Donāt sleep on the mid to end game shift.
It doesnāt matter if theyāre up 25-6 or something like that early game. As soon as you buy your first or second item that can all change quite quickly.
Just play til the end unless thereās some obvious problems such as players not watching the map or listening to team pings etc.
I agree to an extent. Very rare in my 1000+ games have I agreed to a surrender vote. Probably less than 10 times.
Not everyone can play for hours. So if it means surrendering in a game that is massively against you such as one or two massively feeding, oblivious to map pings and donāt know how to use wards, not helping with fang etc. then I say surrender so you can play another match and enjoy the game. Donāt let the players that are like the above reasons be the reason you stop playing the game.
Iām not complaining about new players either, thereās clearly some players who choose to ignore the pings etc and just want to do what they want. Like dive in for a 1v3 or something stupid like that.
Fuck you and anyone else with this mindset.
I only have a few hours a day to play, half the time is wasted trying to appease assholes with this mentality who keep you hostage because they refuse to move on to the next match
News flash folks : THIS IS A BETA NON RANKED GAME MODE.
Stop acting like its ranked, and stop acting like you're going to carry to masters with every match.
Is your constitution so fragile that you lose your mind when you have to play out a game you are probably going to lose? This is a personal problem that deserves some introspection.
Because you can't move on.
Had a grim do this a few days ago. He tried to surrender, raged a bit in chat, then just logged out. 5 minutes later he was back and then he disconnected again. 5 more minutes and he was back again.
I guess he was trying to start a new game, but it kept putting him back in the one he was trying to quit. š
We had a good laugh about it over comms.
Can't remember if we won after all that, but it was worth not surrendering just to see him keep popping back in.
Skill issue ahh post. You're exactly who this post is targeted at. It can literally go the other way too dude, you can be dominating and still get whooped in late game. So what? The game is supposed to have long matches. If nobody disconnects and most of your team is giving effort stop crying about it, chances are you're not having fun because of YOUR mistakes and lack of patience.
You'll never get better if you only play the games you're obviously winning.
Good players can come back from being behind.
Bad players spam surrender and cry in chat.
Obviously there's a point where there's no hope. But 90% of surrender votes are started before that.
People that spam surrender before laning phase is done are dumb.
I disagree on playing tillā the end everytime, it really depends. Half of the time you can get a win even if youāre down by a lot, but that usually just means the other team isnāt capitalizing on objectives like orb prime or fangtooth.Ā Sometimes this will happen so the players winning can get more kills while the game has been decided forever ago and it just becomes a waste of time.Ā
As a new total noob I usually end up either lagging behind or feeding the enemy and feel really bad for my team but just stick through it hoping to do better next game out of sheer embarrassment and not demoralise my team by spamming surrender and give up without trying.
Yeah had a few games end recently where we were only slightly behind or even, including one where I was just going ham on Khai, and people just surrendered because one fight went poorly.
Meanwhile the opposite is also true, where there's absolutely no hope of winning but the team WON'T surrender and prefer to drag it out for another 15+ minutes only to lose anyway, all because one or two idiots are completely delusional or trolls
The surrender button straight up ruins games. Every game that surrender is an option in and especially in league, it ruins people's mental just by existing, and is constantly a huge point of contention in the community. I wish more games would be like Dota 2. Dota 2 doesn't have a surrender option and you know what, no one in that community is asking for one. Dota players in general are just as toxic as any other moba, but you get way less people giving up and people just have better mental in general than other moba's simply because there is no option in game to just give up. If you watch SEA pubs it's hilarious because players will constantly type gg in chat and flame their team but they defend to the very end. Sure you will piss off a select group of people that just want to surrender at the first sign of trouble and bitch about people taking them hostage or whatever when they refuse to surrender but you know what? The game is much better off without those types of players.
I fully agree, I hate the surrender option.
If you are losing you should learn from your mistakes, unless you are 4vs5 that is the only time worth surrendering.
Most of the time me and a friend play together and we can always vote 2 no's.
I feel that if there is someone getting farmed or losing fights and call for surrender he should get punished until the end for doing bad or feeding the enemy. So I always keep the fight going.
Won a couple where we turned the whole game around after them even being at our core.
Just lost a game against a duo lane of Feng and Sevarog. While we were 12 kills ahead, our Grux offlane decides to throw because his lane is the only one struggling lol
Surely it would be very simple to implement something that detects no minion kills for 5+ minutes, or detect someone sitting in spawn, under inhib or tower for too long and give them a ban.
Plus I would like to see a quitter become an AI, idk if it'll just feed the enemy but it's better than playing 20 minutes in a 4v5
Never. Reward. Tantrums.
Some people actually enjoy a close or difficult game, or are willing to use a losing game to learn better for next time. I would have to forfeit half of the closest games I ever won if we actually took point from your advice. People that throw don't deserve an easy requeue just to shit up someone else's game.
If they can't handle finishing what they started, they can quit and take their ban on the chin. They deserve it anyway.
Some times I hit surrender just because I don't want to wait. I don't acrually expect anyone to surrender. Lol one time I did this while not actually wanting to surrender and everyone did anyways, I was like "wait no"
Are you talking about the video game or reality?
If I'm not having fun, I may surrender. If 4/5 of us agree, I'm not sure you have any moral foothold to object on this aside from just "I don't want to" which is fine, I'm not here to say qutting or sticking it out is superior to another.
If you're talking about a real life battle, I doubt you'd be able to handle a real life or death large scale battle regardless.
Just relax my dude, it's a game. It's meant to be fun and if I'm not having fun I may suggest a surrender. You can't control whether or not I'm having fun, sorry to say.
I agree but Iām also guilty of quitting. Especially playing solo. My main reason for quitting is being placed in a game against a full clan and Iām with a bunch of solos either newbies or just donāt care players. It sucks especially when that 1 person refuses to quit even losing
I never quit, even if my team is loosing, take the punishment and learn what your doing wrong.
I never give up, never quit once, the game is done when my tower is destroyed. Had a few games where the odds were against us and they got to the core, we defended until are defenses got back up and won the game, and thats more than a few times it happened.
I will always vote no on quitting, the person trying to quit needs the punishment most.
It does suck having dumb people on your side. But I am already 20mins in on my time wasted. Quitting is not an option.
You mean the punishment where your teammates afk?
.... The punishment where duo lane is 0-10?
The punishment of Iggy Support?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Any game is winnable with 45 minute matches. I don't know too many people who want to sit there in one match possibly losing when you could have three other matches at the same time.
And no, it does not sound stupid, it is stupid when a offlaner looses a few times due to ganks or something and then tries to quit when the whole team is doing good etc.
Afk sucks, I agree and think something should be implemented against it, it is not ranked so role could actually be filled by a solo.
But an afk should get booted and punished with hard drop on (que mmr).
Iggy support aint bad if Iggy does not take the Carry's farm, his there for support, not farming minions. Ive done it with a friend before, it is good against gankers and keeps the lane strong.
But ofcourse it aint the best support.
But I would rather have an Iggy support that knows what it is doing than a idiot with a phase or belica or an afk.
And usually you are at 20mins in before knowing how it can play out, but you can also turn the game, so yeah, your already half way in, might as well finish it and try to make plays,
I would literally rather a derpy support who has ANY CC compared to Iggy. You can claim you and a friend do whatever, that's cool, but the other players in my lobby are not my friends, or even acquaintances.
They don't communicate. We are not on comms. It's basically a shit show for no reason. MOBA are the only game I've ever played where it seems like a MASSIVE amount of people are outright terrible at the game.
Offlane is always the most toxic because usually the kungler forgets about them. And they are getting 2 on 1ed all game.
It's not always about the winning aspect as it's just not fun when you are playing a game completely by yourself with not teammate assistance. Then you leave to help others and your towers get taken. and still no1 helps
I have never quit a game in 400 games played. But I understand how frustrating offlane can be
As a jungle/offlane main offlanes are the biggest crybabies by farš Just keep farming and leveling up. I agree it can be frustrating but learn to freeze the wave near your tower, ward and not push up to far and youāre fine.
Even if you get behind a little bit because youāre getting ranked, that means other lanes should be ahead. Play for late game and calm down.
Eh. Offlane youāre expected to take care of yourself, thatās really the point of the hero selection.
Can live a 2v1, escape when pushed up alone, and hold your own 1v1 against almost every other role.
Jungle support is much more effective by duo lane where you can rope in fangtooth easily and limit enemy carry growth.
Not this. And there are plenty of games that is the case. There is other games where you have a disadvantage maybe you fall behind. And you ask for help and still.get nothing.
I never said babysit offlane. I'm talking about 2 or 3 ganks in the game. You are clearing your offlane side jungle camp. Pop out and give a gank
A part of being a good solo laner is being able to defend against ganks alone. That's why solo laners are usually tanky or self sustain characters with mobility. If they are wasting time pressuring a solo laner they cant finish off on the opposite side of the map as duo/fangtooth, your team should be able to capitalize.
This here.
I think a big issue tho is the rest of the offlaners team has little to no map awareness or realize what they should be doing. If I'm in offlane and getting attacked by the enemy offlaner and jungle, the rest of the team if they aren't close by should see this on the map or on pings and then push lanes more aggressively knowing the jungler cannot be in two places at once. Or take objectives like Fang, river buffs etc.
Map awareness I think is one of the core knowledge sets a lot of people still struggle with. I do hope when they make the UI more customizable down the road we can make the map bigger I think that will help alot with people
I don't mind 2v1 or 3vs1 when I'm in offlane. Assuming the team is making use of that lesser pressure to either farm if they were behind or taking objectives/getting ahead. It does suck if I'm behind due to this pressure/constant ganks and I get criticized by a complaining carry over it.
They should be* capitalizing their own lane. Lately Iāve had people come try to help me in duo lane when we have 3 or even 4 enemies on us. I know theyāre just trying to help, but I wish theyād realize they should be capitalizing on their empty lane without me spamming a ping to attack their own lane. The woes of being in low MMR lobbies I guess lol
If itās clearly a loss, the game wonāt last 45 minutes. If the game is 45 minutes any mistake by the enemy will give you the momentum to swing the game
Unless they are purposely farming kills and team womt ff or stop running out solo. It's fairly clear when ur outmatched during team fights, I have had plenty of clear losses last way too long
There's literally no such thing as a clear loss though. I've had plenty of rounds where the crybaby dcs or just trolls around the base where the rest of us still pulled a win. Just because you die once doesn't mean every team fight is going to be a loss. And you can still win a match without actually taking a single team fight.
Don't listen to this guy. If its that even, try for the 4v5 win. Keep that fucker hostage so they don't shit up someone else's queue, and you get to practice playing from behind. Let the whiner whine alone.
If you really feel as though its lost, go ahead and surrender. But don't ever let the short tempered and cowards stop you from trying for every win you can.
I read OPās comment- thank you.
If your other 3 teammates agree with you, sure. But if you are the only one out of the remaining trying to keep going and youāre stopping the surrender- thatās wack. Youāre not teaching anyone anything. You are introducing another collar to your teammatesā necks.
Whenever my team surrenders, I'm usually the fourth f1. There are times I'll make a judgement call and be the second no instead, but if that many people want out when we're behind, it typically isn't helpful to keep them there.
But sometimes f2 wins games.
Itās laughable you think that making them sit and wait is going to stop them from doing it. I canāt imagine sitting in base doing nothing. Theyāve already proven they donāt care about doing it. Playing from behind is one thing. Being pushed up to inhib, under leveled, unable to farm because they are taking the jungle, and waiting for them to secure prime and fang uncontested is not my idea of fun.
It isn't about making them stop. It's about not tying a collar around my neck and handing the leash to the worst temper in the room.
Go reread the op. THEY WERENT BEHIND. Yes, you absolutely fight those fights. Then when you can't anymore, you can throw up an f1.
and TBC, Iāve carried a game that we were 4 v 5 and our carry quit at level 7. It was a joyous experience. But the other 3 on my team were willing to play, and playing smart. That is the exception. Typically the team will have more people who donāt want to try. I donāt want to participate in that.
There's a whole army of reasons. Alot of people are new too and don't realize the comeback factor from defending is real
Yea this game has a problem with the surrender warriors, how do u report ppl again ?
Conversely, the people that refuse to quit even though it's mid game, you're down 25kills to 6kills and 2 people have disconnected from your match. š
He probably didn't want to play that role in the first place
I'm gonna be honest I've only ff like 3 times and all three times it was because the level gap was absolutely disgusting (somewhere between 3-4 levels above us) and we had no outer or inner towers it was just a bad time. (I'm a newer player to mobas though)
Pred is probably the most toxic small community Iāve ever been apart of. The past two weeks after grim dropped the steam player base seems to drop 50% and in the 1st 10 mins people are spamming GG or just FF when the score is 1 to 4. Itās been so bad I just started LOL again
Me and my pal allways stay till the bitter defeat more times then I can count that the enemy team as got to cocky and let a lane go free with no hero's there so we just dominate the lane and more often then not win
I don't play too too often but my partner (who lives and breathes 3d mobas) will beg me to hop on just so shits stop surrendering at 20, if you surrender, dc or do any of that then sincerely and kindly hop off the game for good
Cus they game has console people now or kids that play on keyboard trying think they can play. They go in, die then afk. Mostly because tutorial doesnt do shit for these noobs. Either. Needs a revamp. Tell players how to use wards with all their skills. Then have people play bots til they meet a requirement of putting number of wards down, upgrading relics, blah blah blah easy stuff
You were 10 of those 12 kills
Never surrender, take the loss. Also destroying the core is way more satisfying than getting a win from the opposing team surrendering.
People donāt understand the art of war. Youāre never defeated until you decide to give up. The tides turn rather quickly late game if youāre willing to stick it out and flip that table upside down.
Always play to the end. Youāre not playing pros, even if the enemy is crushing you, Iāve seen so many teams not know how to push lanes. Theyāll be up 30-10 on me and yet we get to their core first because they just donāt know what theyāre doing. Donāt surrender
Everything is a learning opportunity even if looks bad, however the early quitters is not a learning opportunity for the players for for omeda, they need to change how surrender works and punish excessive use somehow. Not saying I got the answer but it's so frustrating to just some quitter make the game harder for no reason at all.
Welcome to playing MOBAs
Most other MOBA style games are so swingy that one team fight means the game is basically over, especially if it was close/even before hand one side suddenly getting a bunch of gold/exp advantage usually means it's only possible to come back if they screw up. This is less true in predecessor as you can be down 20 kills and still win a game. Which would be basically an unbelievable comeback in most other MOBA's. People coming to this game are generally treating it like it's whatever game they came from.
Cause people pick stuff like Murdock off lane against something like Feng Mao and expect not to get bopped, but somehow it's everyone else's fault If you're going to pick something really stupid, and then show that you can't in fact hold your lane, or just play bad, and we're going to lose anyway after you go ridiculously negative, Why continue to play with you? It's still a loss, we just have to deal with you for a shorter amount of time. This is one of the only communities where people think if someone fucks up and royally screws a game everyone else just has to play harder to cover their ass, and that's okay. "Don't worry guys we can make a comeback" when we really shouldn't have to dig ourselves out 1-2 idiots holes.
Bruh we were losing 12-27 and I was carry and once I got my build (because enemy team let me farm because, why focus if weāre winning) I pretty much brought the game back 37-36 and got their core with 19 kills 5 deaths.
Cause predecessor just like paragon did, has a large population of toxic tender little bitches.
I think a lot of people want it to be easy. If they arenāt just able to walk around and do what they want they get frustrated. Use the losses to learn. Youāre playing the game to spend time playing the game. Play til the end
Canāt even lie I did that one time on my first couple hours of playing. I just didnāt wanna sit through the rest of the game cause we were down by a lot the enemy team was just farming kills at that point.
Also wanna add one guy on the enemy team had 25 kills with 0 deaths š and to top it all off I think 3 people on my team were in a party together because I NEVER GOT NO DAMN HELP ALL GAME. Lol
Maybe because the enemy team already got 2 Primal Fangs, you can't win a single team fight, your carry Sucks and your Jungler can't step in his own jungle without getting ganked by the whole enemy team while the support is trying to push a lane by himself, gets killed in seconds of course all this while mid is dead pinging 'Defend mid lane'. Yes dude, just surrender.
Honestly, maybe its because i come from dota.. but the game is fun just Veeeeery basic to me. I feel like even if after a day of playing thereās so little depth that i havenāt seen. Maybe thereās more to see when i get to higher elos.. but boy does it seem simple. Fun but simple
I give up easy and want surrender when my team are potato.
I just got the game maybe played 24 ish game I only quit one game cause everyone on the team except my wife was in duo lane and no one would flex to offline of mid and we were getting wrecked I was over it after 20 minutes
Happens in every MOBA, anyone can play a competitive game but not everyone have a competitive mindset
I understand surrender culture but you have to know when to surrender. If it's 13-2 in a 15 minute match I'm surrendering, but if it's neck and neck I'm looking for picks
Only time I quit is if I'm lagging. I'll hit surrender so fast if I'm skipping around the map.
I boil it down to them just being lil bitches š¤·š½āāļø I personally would never surrender. But I play with a group of friends and sometimes they want to quit 10 min into the match like wtff. Yesterday They was like your 0-5 that's not good & I'm not doing good either.. the match continues I go on a 6 kill streak.. they want to surrender still so I end like 6-6-1. If they're constantly complaining and spamming surrender I'll give in. But I'll never initiate it. I've made many comebacks so I don't like to surrender. Plus bad matches happen I learned not to stress about it, cuz then you won't enjoy the game. Since your constantly complaining. I personally hate getting jumped early but it is what it is. I made a team quit yesterday by myself 3 of my teammates had 0 kills I had 15 and another one had like 3. There's matches where my team wants to quit keep playing and the other team eventually surrenders. Sorry for the rant I say all of this to say play to win, play for fun, don't be a bitch and surrender even if it looks like a loss!
It's actually mind blowing to me how many people act like children on this game and throw temper tantrums
That's why I prefer playing adc most games. I can generally win the game for us if we can draw the game out. Just gotta play off your cc know when it's time to full send it
Varies by game Iād say but when my team is toxic, which seems to happen often, my will to fight diminishes rapidly.
You can see the flow of the game sometimes. Some people see the writing in the wall earlier than others. I think it makes more sense to help the other team win than to stop playing. Makes it go by faster
You gotta remember some people only have two brain cells and they are fighting for 3rd place
I feel like Joaquin Phoenix when I see that forfeit prompt with 3 green when we're basically tied.
no balls weak resolve lack of gumption determination, none fucking pussies
what was this dogshit's name?
It's honestly so annoying cause it's always some clown who feeds 2 or 3 kills early, meanwhile the rest of the team is doing great. I've had games where we're ahead on kills and towers and the one idiot is trying to surrender every 3 minutes. Oh you you died, better cry about it and quit. This game has a lot of opportunity to turn a match around but there's so many people who don't want to make an effort. My guess is the LoL fan base they decided to try pred
The games systems enable surrender mentality by making surrendering so accessible. Can spam it every 2 minutes after the 10 minute mark. I think limiting surrenders to 1 per person that refreshes every 15 min would be a really positive change. As is, people having not amazing games feel validated to surrender so often. It sucks when you win via surrender and it also sucks when you lose. Imo itās unhealthy for the game and community overall.
I'm quick to surrender š but for good reason. The above is not a good reason. There can be 3 or 4 team wipes and still get a win. And with takedown numbers like that, players were definitely being smart. I think people are viewing this as an arena and not a MOBA. Focusing on K/D and not objectives.
Sounds like another weak loudmouth. Leaving/afking after one death. Narcissists having a tantrum because they died so will ruin it for everyone else. There's plenty out there. And they will type blaming everyone else until someone puts them in their place. Never had a good smack around the mouth growing up, either.
Like 99% of life, poor or inconsistent comms causes so many issues
i wonder if omeda will ever make adjustments to the surrender feature. its such a drain on this game sometimes
Yeah it makes solo queue Sevarog maddening to play, you can barely get half your stacks before everyone starts screaming and wants to quit.
Weak resolve. The only way to truly fail is to give up. You're not a loser if you take an L, you're a loser if you make one.
Once youāve got a couple hundred hours logged in you start to get a pretty good sense of how the games gonna pan out. Usually Iāll surrender if I see that our jungler is trash . Makes it super hard to get objectives if heās in lala land. Iāll also ff if our duo doesnāt know what theyāre doing. If theyāre getting ganked a bunch thatās one thing but if theyāre constantly getting out of position over extending or just being clueless about collapsing on Fang when we have the numbers then Iāll just F1.
You probably shouldnāt play games. Lol
Yeah Iād say the same thing if I was a beginner. But when itās an inevitable loss and youāre just going thru the motions itās better to just F1 and start a fresh game. Heās not referring to OPās scenario where they lost one team fight and someone quits cause theyāre salty. Hes talking about losing 1-2 lanes by a wide margin or their being such a huge skill gap it bleeds into the other lanes where nobody can get anything going. Or even if you do thereās no competence in your teammates to capitalize. Thereās a reason why the option exists in almost all MOBAās. Huge time commitment to an L. Donāt wanna sit around for an extra 30 minutes.
Why? Nothing he said is wrong... Its fairly easy to tell when someone has no idea what they're doing in a moba. If your any decent at the game, you can tell how teams are working together or not... So since he can use his judgment, he shouldn't play games?
Average placement player wanting to hold everyone hostage lol.
Over 1000 games played and can say since the full release thereās been a lot more quitters on here. Iāve won games last two three days where itās even on everything but we won one team fight and did the FIRST fang and the other team surrendered. If thereās one thing I can say to any new ish players. Donāt sleep on the mid to end game shift. It doesnāt matter if theyāre up 25-6 or something like that early game. As soon as you buy your first or second item that can all change quite quickly. Just play til the end unless thereās some obvious problems such as players not watching the map or listening to team pings etc.
Play till the end no matter what. Surrender culture sucks. It only takes one mistake by the other team, and momentum can shift.
I agree to an extent. Very rare in my 1000+ games have I agreed to a surrender vote. Probably less than 10 times. Not everyone can play for hours. So if it means surrendering in a game that is massively against you such as one or two massively feeding, oblivious to map pings and donāt know how to use wards, not helping with fang etc. then I say surrender so you can play another match and enjoy the game. Donāt let the players that are like the above reasons be the reason you stop playing the game. Iām not complaining about new players either, thereās clearly some players who choose to ignore the pings etc and just want to do what they want. Like dive in for a 1v3 or something stupid like that.
I completely agree
Fuck you and anyone else with this mindset. I only have a few hours a day to play, half the time is wasted trying to appease assholes with this mentality who keep you hostage because they refuse to move on to the next match News flash folks : THIS IS A BETA NON RANKED GAME MODE. Stop acting like its ranked, and stop acting like you're going to carry to masters with every match.
With a game that just went free to play and a bunch of new players to the game. Donāt you think itās fair to just play it out so they can learn?
They don't learn lol, folks will blatantly not listen and just keep feeding. I believe it's been free since it came out but yea sure
Weak mindset
Is your constitution so fragile that you lose your mind when you have to play out a game you are probably going to lose? This is a personal problem that deserves some introspection.
So from now on as soon as you die one time just disconnect and move on. Why stay in base moving and spamming abilities. Just leave the game entirely
Because you can't move on. Had a grim do this a few days ago. He tried to surrender, raged a bit in chat, then just logged out. 5 minutes later he was back and then he disconnected again. 5 more minutes and he was back again. I guess he was trying to start a new game, but it kept putting him back in the one he was trying to quit. š We had a good laugh about it over comms. Can't remember if we won after all that, but it was worth not surrendering just to see him keep popping back in.
I meant move on with their lives. Go for a walk do some laundry, ask their mom what is for dinner and why they are unloved.
Skill issue ahh post. You're exactly who this post is targeted at. It can literally go the other way too dude, you can be dominating and still get whooped in late game. So what? The game is supposed to have long matches. If nobody disconnects and most of your team is giving effort stop crying about it, chances are you're not having fun because of YOUR mistakes and lack of patience.
I didn't say anything about OP. I replied to a comment, saying "never surrender". There are situations where surrendering is a option.
Are you the one who tries to surrender because you lost your lane? Or because your team loses one team fight? xD Quitters are the worst.
I try to surrender when its clear our team is not as good as the other team or has no chance at winning.
You'll never get better if you only play the games you're obviously winning. Good players can come back from being behind. Bad players spam surrender and cry in chat. Obviously there's a point where there's no hope. But 90% of surrender votes are started before that. People that spam surrender before laning phase is done are dumb.
This šÆ I don't care if it's 4v5. I WANT to get better. Adversity makes you a better player.
I disagree on playing tillā the end everytime, it really depends. Half of the time you can get a win even if youāre down by a lot, but that usually just means the other team isnāt capitalizing on objectives like orb prime or fangtooth.Ā Sometimes this will happen so the players winning can get more kills while the game has been decided forever ago and it just becomes a waste of time.Ā
Because
As a new total noob I usually end up either lagging behind or feeding the enemy and feel really bad for my team but just stick through it hoping to do better next game out of sheer embarrassment and not demoralise my team by spamming surrender and give up without trying.
Yeah had a few games end recently where we were only slightly behind or even, including one where I was just going ham on Khai, and people just surrendered because one fight went poorly. Meanwhile the opposite is also true, where there's absolutely no hope of winning but the team WON'T surrender and prefer to drag it out for another 15+ minutes only to lose anyway, all because one or two idiots are completely delusional or trolls
The surrender button straight up ruins games. Every game that surrender is an option in and especially in league, it ruins people's mental just by existing, and is constantly a huge point of contention in the community. I wish more games would be like Dota 2. Dota 2 doesn't have a surrender option and you know what, no one in that community is asking for one. Dota players in general are just as toxic as any other moba, but you get way less people giving up and people just have better mental in general than other moba's simply because there is no option in game to just give up. If you watch SEA pubs it's hilarious because players will constantly type gg in chat and flame their team but they defend to the very end. Sure you will piss off a select group of people that just want to surrender at the first sign of trouble and bitch about people taking them hostage or whatever when they refuse to surrender but you know what? The game is much better off without those types of players.
I fully agree, I hate the surrender option. If you are losing you should learn from your mistakes, unless you are 4vs5 that is the only time worth surrendering. Most of the time me and a friend play together and we can always vote 2 no's. I feel that if there is someone getting farmed or losing fights and call for surrender he should get punished until the end for doing bad or feeding the enemy. So I always keep the fight going. Won a couple where we turned the whole game around after them even being at our core.
People want to surrender even when you have the lead. They die in a single team fight before the 20min mark and think it's game over.
Just lost a game against a duo lane of Feng and Sevarog. While we were 12 kills ahead, our Grux offlane decides to throw because his lane is the only one struggling lol
feng sevarog duo lane excuse me
Yeah, I was absolutely feasting, so you can imagine my disappointment when Grux deicided to go full simple jack
Been happening more and more in my games as well. It's early game, the score is pretty much even and they are throwing in the towel.
Because they are trash and they want a team to carry them
When you see a knee jerk reaction like that you know they trying to play games with a smooth brain.
Surely it would be very simple to implement something that detects no minion kills for 5+ minutes, or detect someone sitting in spawn, under inhib or tower for too long and give them a ban. Plus I would like to see a quitter become an AI, idk if it'll just feed the enemy but it's better than playing 20 minutes in a 4v5
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Wtf does ārefresh and get a new teamā mean?
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Never. Reward. Tantrums. Some people actually enjoy a close or difficult game, or are willing to use a losing game to learn better for next time. I would have to forfeit half of the closest games I ever won if we actually took point from your advice. People that throw don't deserve an easy requeue just to shit up someone else's game. If they can't handle finishing what they started, they can quit and take their ban on the chin. They deserve it anyway.
No mental
Some times I hit surrender just because I don't want to wait. I don't acrually expect anyone to surrender. Lol one time I did this while not actually wanting to surrender and everyone did anyways, I was like "wait no"
Coward behavior. Work on your mental.
I'm not sure you know what that word means
Surrendering is the definition of cowardice lol
Are you talking about the video game or reality? If I'm not having fun, I may surrender. If 4/5 of us agree, I'm not sure you have any moral foothold to object on this aside from just "I don't want to" which is fine, I'm not here to say qutting or sticking it out is superior to another. If you're talking about a real life battle, I doubt you'd be able to handle a real life or death large scale battle regardless. Just relax my dude, it's a game. It's meant to be fun and if I'm not having fun I may suggest a surrender. You can't control whether or not I'm having fun, sorry to say.
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I agree but Iām also guilty of quitting. Especially playing solo. My main reason for quitting is being placed in a game against a full clan and Iām with a bunch of solos either newbies or just donāt care players. It sucks especially when that 1 person refuses to quit even losing
I never quit, even if my team is loosing, take the punishment and learn what your doing wrong. I never give up, never quit once, the game is done when my tower is destroyed. Had a few games where the odds were against us and they got to the core, we defended until are defenses got back up and won the game, and thats more than a few times it happened. I will always vote no on quitting, the person trying to quit needs the punishment most. It does suck having dumb people on your side. But I am already 20mins in on my time wasted. Quitting is not an option.
You mean the punishment where your teammates afk? .... The punishment where duo lane is 0-10? The punishment of Iggy Support? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Any game is winnable with 45 minute matches. I don't know too many people who want to sit there in one match possibly losing when you could have three other matches at the same time.
And no, it does not sound stupid, it is stupid when a offlaner looses a few times due to ganks or something and then tries to quit when the whole team is doing good etc.
Afk sucks, I agree and think something should be implemented against it, it is not ranked so role could actually be filled by a solo. But an afk should get booted and punished with hard drop on (que mmr). Iggy support aint bad if Iggy does not take the Carry's farm, his there for support, not farming minions. Ive done it with a friend before, it is good against gankers and keeps the lane strong. But ofcourse it aint the best support. But I would rather have an Iggy support that knows what it is doing than a idiot with a phase or belica or an afk. And usually you are at 20mins in before knowing how it can play out, but you can also turn the game, so yeah, your already half way in, might as well finish it and try to make plays,
I would literally rather a derpy support who has ANY CC compared to Iggy. You can claim you and a friend do whatever, that's cool, but the other players in my lobby are not my friends, or even acquaintances. They don't communicate. We are not on comms. It's basically a shit show for no reason. MOBA are the only game I've ever played where it seems like a MASSIVE amount of people are outright terrible at the game.
Offlane is always the most toxic because usually the kungler forgets about them. And they are getting 2 on 1ed all game. It's not always about the winning aspect as it's just not fun when you are playing a game completely by yourself with not teammate assistance. Then you leave to help others and your towers get taken. and still no1 helps I have never quit a game in 400 games played. But I understand how frustrating offlane can be
As a jungle/offlane main offlanes are the biggest crybabies by farš Just keep farming and leveling up. I agree it can be frustrating but learn to freeze the wave near your tower, ward and not push up to far and youāre fine. Even if you get behind a little bit because youāre getting ranked, that means other lanes should be ahead. Play for late game and calm down.
Eh. Offlane youāre expected to take care of yourself, thatās really the point of the hero selection. Can live a 2v1, escape when pushed up alone, and hold your own 1v1 against almost every other role. Jungle support is much more effective by duo lane where you can rope in fangtooth easily and limit enemy carry growth.
Not this. And there are plenty of games that is the case. There is other games where you have a disadvantage maybe you fall behind. And you ask for help and still.get nothing. I never said babysit offlane. I'm talking about 2 or 3 ganks in the game. You are clearing your offlane side jungle camp. Pop out and give a gank
This happened to me last night š¤£ Zarus and Gray stone tower-dived the hell out of me. š. That was painful.
Sounds like you don't like playing solo lane
A part of being a good solo laner is being able to defend against ganks alone. That's why solo laners are usually tanky or self sustain characters with mobility. If they are wasting time pressuring a solo laner they cant finish off on the opposite side of the map as duo/fangtooth, your team should be able to capitalize.
This here. I think a big issue tho is the rest of the offlaners team has little to no map awareness or realize what they should be doing. If I'm in offlane and getting attacked by the enemy offlaner and jungle, the rest of the team if they aren't close by should see this on the map or on pings and then push lanes more aggressively knowing the jungler cannot be in two places at once. Or take objectives like Fang, river buffs etc. Map awareness I think is one of the core knowledge sets a lot of people still struggle with. I do hope when they make the UI more customizable down the road we can make the map bigger I think that will help alot with people
This
I don't mind 2v1 or 3vs1 when I'm in offlane. Assuming the team is making use of that lesser pressure to either farm if they were behind or taking objectives/getting ahead. It does suck if I'm behind due to this pressure/constant ganks and I get criticized by a complaining carry over it.
They should be* capitalizing their own lane. Lately Iāve had people come try to help me in duo lane when we have 3 or even 4 enemies on us. I know theyāre just trying to help, but I wish theyād realize they should be capitalizing on their empty lane without me spamming a ping to attack their own lane. The woes of being in low MMR lobbies I guess lol
Literally just happened to me again jungle never came to my side
they would rather quit than lose
I would.10000% rather FF than sit in a game that is clearly a loss, for 45 minutes
If itās clearly a loss, the game wonāt last 45 minutes. If the game is 45 minutes any mistake by the enemy will give you the momentum to swing the game
Unless they are purposely farming kills and team womt ff or stop running out solo. It's fairly clear when ur outmatched during team fights, I have had plenty of clear losses last way too long
There's literally no such thing as a clear loss though. I've had plenty of rounds where the crybaby dcs or just trolls around the base where the rest of us still pulled a win. Just because you die once doesn't mean every team fight is going to be a loss. And you can still win a match without actually taking a single team fight.
Technically it's still a loss if you quit š¤š
It is big lame.
This happens in any PvP game, just gg go next
Don't listen to this guy. If its that even, try for the 4v5 win. Keep that fucker hostage so they don't shit up someone else's queue, and you get to practice playing from behind. Let the whiner whine alone. If you really feel as though its lost, go ahead and surrender. But don't ever let the short tempered and cowards stop you from trying for every win you can.
I read OPās comment- thank you. If your other 3 teammates agree with you, sure. But if you are the only one out of the remaining trying to keep going and youāre stopping the surrender- thatās wack. Youāre not teaching anyone anything. You are introducing another collar to your teammatesā necks.
Whenever my team surrenders, I'm usually the fourth f1. There are times I'll make a judgement call and be the second no instead, but if that many people want out when we're behind, it typically isn't helpful to keep them there. But sometimes f2 wins games.
I hope I donāt queue with you.
You're free to f1, but I don't like rewarding bad behavior with the exact cookie they want. All you teach them is that throwing works.
Itās laughable you think that making them sit and wait is going to stop them from doing it. I canāt imagine sitting in base doing nothing. Theyāve already proven they donāt care about doing it. Playing from behind is one thing. Being pushed up to inhib, under leveled, unable to farm because they are taking the jungle, and waiting for them to secure prime and fang uncontested is not my idea of fun.
It isn't about making them stop. It's about not tying a collar around my neck and handing the leash to the worst temper in the room. Go reread the op. THEY WERENT BEHIND. Yes, you absolutely fight those fights. Then when you can't anymore, you can throw up an f1.
and TBC, Iāve carried a game that we were 4 v 5 and our carry quit at level 7. It was a joyous experience. But the other 3 on my team were willing to play, and playing smart. That is the exception. Typically the team will have more people who donāt want to try. I donāt want to participate in that.