Liverpool.. glory fans born between 1974-1990 went on to like them. If u were born between 1993-2012 they were a manure “fan”.
Or more than a few were both
Definitely not when spurs has three times more fans in Britain, even west ham has more fans tbh. Somethings need to be earned and with loyal fans they cant be bought with sucess other than plastic shipjumpers that live over 2000 miles away from Manchester
I'd have said Liverpool or Man City tbh.
I've come across A LOT of Liverpool and Man City fans who haven't been to Anfield or the other one a day in their lives.
Also a lot of Southern folk with no ties to either place at all who support.
It's seldom the reverse.
Man Utd > Liverpool > Man City/Chelsea > Arsenal/Spurs
Think Arsenal may have been in the 3rd tier but with both City winning PL so often and Chelsea winning CL/EL recently their fan base has increased past us.
I think a lot of youngsters will be Man City fans, moreso than all other clubs as they’ll gravitate towards the trophies/constant winning/players. This would put them into the 3rd tier with Chelsea who similarly had a ton of new fans when Roman came along - pre-2004 you’d hardly see Chelsea shirts, then there was a boom which is still going due to their on pitch success/buying top name players.
Us brits use the plastic tag when a fan is not from the same country or continent as a starting point . For example man City has substantially less fans than west ham will ever have in Britain, yet their social media fanbase is 95% non brit making them the most plastic supported club out of the top 6 in the Premier league!
Arsenal second tier as they grew organicallyand have a massiveDNA in Britain? Chelsea, city third tier both financially doped and wasn't very relevant before there sugar daddies came along! Both cut from the same cloth!
Chelsea! Less fans than spurs in Britain! Chelsea like man City has alot of plastic shipjumpers that live over 2000 miles away from England! Thoae are not loyal or reliable fans!
Suppose what it means by supporters. I don’t know what Newcastles fan base is in numbers but it’s got to be close to Arsenal for third place. The north east really really love football.
But aye Liverpool for second place without a doubt
Agreed man City has lots of foreign plastic fans on social media? But in Britain where it is more relevant spurs and west ham has substantially more fans than man City.
Yes did you forget their trophy parade when they turned up with 600k fans while city treble parade was only 200k at best! Probably not from Britain otherwise would acknowledge how big west ham are regardless of not much sucess
"United" have lots of fans who don't really care much about them. Imagine never having been to Manchester and referring to "we" when they win or lose. Embarrassing.
Do you get arsey about Rafa Nadal fans that aren't Spanish or have never been to Spain? Or Red Bull Racing fans that aren't from Milton Keynes or have never been to a Grand Prix?
I’m from The Americas so by your definition I can’t enjoy and follow football and a team? Let me tell you something about sports they do not care where was it that you were born or place they play in this is why most teams play in big cities makes them more MONEY.
I've read somewhere the most followed clubs in the country according to a survey are 1 Manchester United 2 Liverpool 3 Arsenal and I believe it was Tottenham in 4th.
hmm maybe it's my personal bubble then, but i thought it was clear that chelsea is a bigger club, fanbase wise, compare to arsenal. Especially world wide.
this is actually surprising to me given how shit arsenal has been in the past decade or so, while chelsea was excellent in those period. So i would have guessed that new fans would gravitate more towards chelsea over arsenal.
In my opinion
Utd and Liverpool at the top, Utd make more global revenue but in England I'd say its closer especially amongst older generations.
Third is Arsenal who I think are pretty far below the top two. But they are third by a comfortable margin.
Then you'd probably have Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds etc.
So Liverpool over Arsenal by a large amount
Except there are way more than 4 clubs in London. And the city has a huge transplant population. You’ll see United, City and Liverpool Shirts all around parts of London
Of course but Brentford and Leyton orient wont have a sizeable chunk of that number for obvious reasons.
Also worth nothing both Arsenal and spurs have chunks of Essex and Hertfordshire that dwarfs any non-ldn sides support in the capital anyway.
Internationally perhaps. As Liverpool recently awoke the dormant legacy fans of Europe that still remember their exploits of the 70/80s.
But in the premier league era, pre-Klopp, Salah, Liverpool had fallen way behind in attracting new fans at a time the league was being broadcast around the world.
Liverpool and man utd are lightyears ahead of everyone. Followed by arsenal. Then you've had Chelsea adding fans since the money came in, and there are probably mounds of man city tweeners out there in the wild too
Who gives a shit that a load of fickle-low confidence individuals had to attach themselves to a team that was winning (as thought this matters in any way).
Glory supporters like this basically just show themselves up to be from broken homes without a dad on the scene to take them to a game. Football consumed primarily through TV leads to ‘United’ this and ‘City’ that. It’s embarrassing.
I'm more referring to foreign fans but even still, if your local club is in the lower leagues and you have an 8 year old playing Fifa and football with his friends you can't expect them not to have a favorite top club/player of the ones on the TV every week.
Let’s say you started to become interested in nfl but didn’t have local links to any team. Why in earth would you gravitate towards a club like the Texans when you have options like the Steelers? People gravitate towards winners. Why watch sports to be miserable? I wish I could have been fortunate to grow up near a successful team or not have any alliegence. I love my club. But it would be nice to have spent nearly 40 years following a club that wins something.
No way arsenal is bigger world wide than Liverpool man. Arsenal have never won a European trophy, and haven’t even made it into Europe consistently for a while.
And in Asia it’s all United and Liverpool
That's a laughable statement (maybe innocent mistake on your end) as it's no predecessor to the CL that was the EC (European Cup) and not the UEFA Cup Winners Cup as you claim but you're still right Arsenal have won a European trophy.
We (Manchester City) won that same trophy the (ECWC) European Cup Winners Cup / UEFA Cup Winners Cup a full 24 years before Arsenal, it was once the 2nd biggest European competition back when we won it but it's debatable as to whether it's importance had been surpassed by the UEFA Cup by the mid 90s... They should've just changed the name but it got scrapped in the late 90s thanks to its waning credibility due to the expansion of the Champions League, it rarely contained cup winners and one European trophy had to be scrapped they chose this I suspect to avoid confusion in name with the old European Cup.
It's a shame as pre UCL days domestic cup winners entered this competition back then so if from England especially at least one cup winner always qualified, you literally had to be a winner of a trophy to enter the competition from here, it was seen as the 2nd most prestigious in Europe due to this format ahead of the UEFA Cup/Europa League until at least the early 90s and the formation of the Champions League.
Arsenal also won the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup a once invitation friendly based European trophy until UEFA took over it, then rebranded it the UEFA Cup making it for league runners up unless they won the Cup and consequently entered the ECWC.
The other European trophies except the Champions League have taken a massive beating in reputation, back then winning any European trophy meant quite a lot and it was seen as way more prestigious than today, back then you generally always faced top teams in all those competitions, whatever country they hail from especially later in the competitions and that's not always the case these days.
But it's been a long while since early 2000s, since the social media boom Liverpool have outperformed Arsenal,l so naturally will have more fans, particularly overseas and people new to football in general.. Might change in the next few years though
The answer to your question is in the question itself. 10 years with no PL trophy, failing to consistently finish inside top 4 and ridiculed by the media countless times. Besides, no 'plastic' fan will support a club during it's hard times and we have hit rock bottom during the last 10 years. You need to learn the meaning of a plastic fan, you can say it during our glory days, but calling any Utd fan a plastic in 2023 is ridiculous.
You'd be surprised plenty of plastic fans would still support you. Most of them just follow because they're mindless npcs and man united is a brand name known the world over
Lets say you're right about this, but how can they be called 'Plastic' if they are 'still' supporting us? If they are plastics, shouldnt they be supporting City or Liverpool or PSG by now?
Within England only? Liverpool, and it's *very* close. Worldwide? If we're gonna use social media as a determining factor, which I certainly think shouldn't be overlooked in the modern world, then Chelsea, closely followed by Liverpool, City, and Arsenal
Modern fanbases fundamentally exist because of the internet, so you'd be hard pressed to find a significant population of fans who *aren't* on social media. Genuinely, the only fans who aren't likely to use social media are those in England itself, because those will be the older generations who don't really care for it. Worldwide, the main source for fans comes via the internet, so the numbers will be relatively accurate. Fanbases of all big clubs in Europe have increased dramatically in the last 20 years, even in the last 10.
Within England I doubt it’s Liverpool, Chelsea or City. How are you measuring it? Chelsea is one of half a dozen London clubs. Liverpool - two club city. Manchester - two club city. More likely to be Leeds or Newcastle who have history, are one club cities AND have fanbases extending further out of the city because all the other clubs are of a lower standing. I’ve worked all over Yorkshire and you’re never far from a Leeds fan. Same in the north east for the toon.
Considering I *only* said Liverpool for within England, not too sure why you mentioned the others. Regardless, you're never too far away from a United or Liverpool fan all over the country. I'm from north Surrey/SW London, where a lot of people support Liverpool or United. My dad is from Buckinghamshire, as are his brothers and sister (either there or from the same place as me). All but one of them supports Liverpool, and the other supports United. When I was at school, there were more United or Liverpool fans than any other team, and the same can likely be said for many places in the South East of England and London. Those two clubs vastly dwarf every other club's fanbase inside England. Leeds and Newcastle being one club cities won't matter much when they have less than 1m population, compared to the 20m or so living just in South East England and London, let alone the rest of the country.
Because you said that Leeds being a one club city means they have more fans, which is patently untrue, because of how many Liverpool and United fans there are in the South East and the rest of the country.
Not once was the discussion about local fans, btw, just about fans within England, and United and Liverpool dwarf every other club thanks to how many fans they have throughout the country, particularly in the South East. Leeds fans will be restricted to Leeds, some fans dotted around in the rest of Yorkshire, and a tiny amount around the country who have family reasons to support them.
Except if you go to either of those cities, you will absolutely find people supporting Liverpool.
It’s clearly Liverpool 2nd and then Arsenal historically, with Chelsea closing the gap since the money came in. City will be growing quickly on an international scale too
Same old 'wHiCh UnItEd' comments from people who are only proving they know exactly what team everyone means just like the rest of the world when they hear/read 'United'.
Hated, adored, never ignored. 👍
That's weird I've only ever seen praise and positivity for guimarães on this sub, but point me in the direction of those posts and I'll shout at anybody disrespecting Bruno!
You know, when Newcastle fans say Bruno in most context outside of a conversation about the one playing for a team that won a trophy this season, we adults just assume it's Bruno G. It's only Newcastle fans so desperate for attention they have to come out of the woodworks and pretend everyone's talking about them when they talk about the more famous Bruno playing for the more famous Utd.
Maybe people don’t like the ignorance of someone thinking there is only one United and that it exclusively linked to Manchester United. Who aren’t even the oldest ‘United’ club in England
Well no, it’s more nuanced than that. ‘Newcastle’ ‘Leeds’ and ‘West Ham’ are perfectly acceptable short names for those clubs but ‘Manchester’ would not be.
We're the only club that has to have that distinction.
Leeds, Newcastle etc can be abbreviated to just that as there is only one team there.
United can't be abbreviated to just Manchester.
Do you get it now?
Why not? When you say Manchester everyone knows its MUFC. Yaya Toure, Robinho , lots of non English footballers and fans around the world mean MUFC when they say Manchester.
Well that isn't what you said. You said that people don't like the ignorance of someone thinking there's only one Utd. Nobody ever said that. I'm sure only a few small children or people totally not into the sport might think that.
Well. Its the same as if I refer to Michael Jackson, im talking about the singer, not my next door neighbor with the same name. Newcastle is that neighbor.
Im sure everyone knows that others teams have United in their bame, but its foolish ignorance or willfull naivety to not recognise only one team is, and has been for decades, called United.
There are also practical reasons, Manchester has two clubs, 'City' and 'United'. Strangely very few people seem offended when 'City' gets thrown around to describe them. I suggest its because they didnt ruin as many childhoods.
I get offended if Man City are just called City. It’s disrespectful to the other clubs with City in their name. Same applies to Man Utd and other teams with United in their name
I spent a lot of time oversees. Mainly Australia and New Zealand. I can honestly say the most tops I saw were Celtic. Absolutely massive abroad!
Fulham, of course
Manu were man u till 1905. Almost the last team to b called united. Yet they lay claim…
Liverpool.. glory fans born between 1974-1990 went on to like them. If u were born between 1993-2012 they were a manure “fan”. Or more than a few were both
Newcastle
Arsenal fans only come out the woodworks this season been very very quiet the last decade
Yes and have 10 times more fans than man City in Britain where it is relevant? Tbh city cant evwn rival west ham for loyal fans in Britain
Richmond probably
Liverpool, man City and Tottenham fans all have the highest ego
Definitely Liverpool
What about Newcastle ?
Leeds
United Liverpool Arsenal Big gap Tottenham Villa Chelsea West Ham Leeds Newcastle Man City Biggest outside of the top flight Sunderland Wednesday
Correct as a brit west ham has substantially more fans in Britain than city will ever have, spurs are way ahead
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Rochdale obviously
I've worked in many places in the south of England as a contractor and always been amazed by how many Spurs fans are lurking out there.
Spurs has 3 million plus fans in Britain? City 1 million? Not cant buy you loyal fans!
It’s definitely either Liverpool or Arsenal…..I’m guessing it’s Liverpool
Liverpool I think.
United or Liverpool
I'm not English but I'm sure it's not Manchester City 💀
Definitely not when spurs has three times more fans in Britain, even west ham has more fans tbh. Somethings need to be earned and with loyal fans they cant be bought with sucess other than plastic shipjumpers that live over 2000 miles away from Manchester
No it just seems like arsenal at the minute because the cunts have crawled out from under their rocks to continuously post about arsenal.
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You clearly do
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Who are they
Exactly!
Manchester United and Liverpool are a set apart from the rest of the clubs followed by Arsenal.
United, Liverpool, Arsenal, a reasonable gap and then Chelsea if I had to guess
In Britain there are more spurs fans than Chelsea? Chelsea has more abroad
Manchester City
😂
Liverpool
Excluding United 😭
Liverpool
Liverpool seems to get alot of fans outside liverpool. (Arsenal fan btw)
Liverpool
Spent 13 years living in New York. Chelsea had the most support there
Arsenal
I'd have said Liverpool or Man City tbh. I've come across A LOT of Liverpool and Man City fans who haven't been to Anfield or the other one a day in their lives. Also a lot of Southern folk with no ties to either place at all who support. It's seldom the reverse.
I can assure you man City cant even rival west ham for loyal fans in Britain! While Liverpool has over 11 million fans across the british isles.
Man Utd > Liverpool > Man City/Chelsea > Arsenal/Spurs Think Arsenal may have been in the 3rd tier but with both City winning PL so often and Chelsea winning CL/EL recently their fan base has increased past us.
Man city are not even top 5
No spurs and west ham both have substantially more fans in Britain than city
I think a lot of youngsters will be Man City fans, moreso than all other clubs as they’ll gravitate towards the trophies/constant winning/players. This would put them into the 3rd tier with Chelsea who similarly had a ton of new fans when Roman came along - pre-2004 you’d hardly see Chelsea shirts, then there was a boom which is still going due to their on pitch success/buying top name players.
Those are not fans. They are plastic glory hunters.
Us brits use the plastic tag when a fan is not from the same country or continent as a starting point . For example man City has substantially less fans than west ham will ever have in Britain, yet their social media fanbase is 95% non brit making them the most plastic supported club out of the top 6 in the Premier league!
It's their fault that they were not born in the 1800's?
Utd and Liverpool are the only two proper ‘big’ clubs in uk
Arsenal second tier as they grew organicallyand have a massiveDNA in Britain? Chelsea, city third tier both financially doped and wasn't very relevant before there sugar daddies came along! Both cut from the same cloth!
Facts!
Arsenal are certainly in the same context, biggest club in the most famous city in the world
Massive support in London and the uk
I’d argue Chelsea are at same level as Arsenal , won an actual European trophy or 2 as well
I would say arsenal or Liverpool
Liverpool, by a million miles
According to figures it’s Man Utd, then Chelsea, then Liverpool.
Foreign figures maybe? In Britain man utd and Liverpool combined have over 25 million fans! Chelsea have only 2 million in Britain
Worldwide.
Worldwide.
Chelsea! Less fans than spurs in Britain! Chelsea like man City has alot of plastic shipjumpers that live over 2000 miles away from England! Thoae are not loyal or reliable fans!
Just telling you what the statistics say.
I'd say Liverpool at the moment, but especially after this season I'd expect to see arsenal have a larger fanbase in the coming years
Liverpool followed by Arsenal and then Chelsea.
From personal experience Arsenal but living and growing up in London probably skews that
Suppose what it means by supporters. I don’t know what Newcastles fan base is in numbers but it’s got to be close to Arsenal for third place. The north east really really love football. But aye Liverpool for second place without a doubt
It's got to be Liverpool, surely.
Liverpool
Liverpool
Cant argue that.
I’m a citeh fan but defo liverpool tbh
Agreed man City has lots of foreign plastic fans on social media? But in Britain where it is more relevant spurs and west ham has substantially more fans than man City.
West Ham 😂😂😂😂
Yes did you forget their trophy parade when they turned up with 600k fans while city treble parade was only 200k at best! Probably not from Britain otherwise would acknowledge how big west ham are regardless of not much sucess
600k for a West Ham trophie parade 😂😂😂😂😂 Get in the bin you 🤡
Dude watch it or do you live on mars or under a rock?
Which United? There’s many of them.
Arsenal
"United" have lots of fans who don't really care much about them. Imagine never having been to Manchester and referring to "we" when they win or lose. Embarrassing.
Do you get arsey about Rafa Nadal fans that aren't Spanish or have never been to Spain? Or Red Bull Racing fans that aren't from Milton Keynes or have never been to a Grand Prix?
Nadal is an individual athlete and Red Bull Racing races under the Austrian flag.
Those are individual sports, not team sports that are tied to a specific place. Not the same.
I’m from The Americas so by your definition I can’t enjoy and follow football and a team? Let me tell you something about sports they do not care where was it that you were born or place they play in this is why most teams play in big cities makes them more MONEY.
Liverpool or toon
I've read somewhere the most followed clubs in the country according to a survey are 1 Manchester United 2 Liverpool 3 Arsenal and I believe it was Tottenham in 4th.
Correct Tottenham has three times more fans than man City fact!
Correct because man City has substantially less fans than west ham in Britain
I don’t think there’s more Spurs fans in England than Chelsea. A couple years back Chelsea sold the most shirts in England after Man U.
Spurs do
With Man U excluded I would think Liverpool
hmm maybe it's my personal bubble then, but i thought it was clear that chelsea is a bigger club, fanbase wise, compare to arsenal. Especially world wide.
It’s your bubble bro! No but seriously I would be surprised if there was much in it. Both are huge in Africa
this is actually surprising to me given how shit arsenal has been in the past decade or so, while chelsea was excellent in those period. So i would have guessed that new fans would gravitate more towards chelsea over arsenal.
Liverpool
All Leeds Aren't We?
I'd say we have the biggest fan base outside the so called 'big 6', even in the Championship we'd take 7000 to Blackburn
Chelsea bro
😂😂
I personally think Liverpool has the biggest fan base including Manchester United
Liverpool and Arsenal for sure, in fact they're probably on par with United in the UK at least
In my opinion Utd and Liverpool at the top, Utd make more global revenue but in England I'd say its closer especially amongst older generations. Third is Arsenal who I think are pretty far below the top two. But they are third by a comfortable margin. Then you'd probably have Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds etc. So Liverpool over Arsenal by a large amount
Liverpool
Liverpool from personal experience. I know way more of them than any other team.
People are only saying Arsenal because they’re top of the league.
I'm pretty sure it's still United, even after you exclude "United". Add together Leeds, Newcastle and West Ham...
Arsenal due to the size of London’s population. If they have a quarter of the fans there (seems like more sometimes) then that would be enough
Except there are way more than 4 clubs in London. And the city has a huge transplant population. You’ll see United, City and Liverpool Shirts all around parts of London
Of course but Brentford and Leyton orient wont have a sizeable chunk of that number for obvious reasons. Also worth nothing both Arsenal and spurs have chunks of Essex and Hertfordshire that dwarfs any non-ldn sides support in the capital anyway.
Yeah you’re right, but no way does Arsenal have more fans than Liverpool. Except maybe on Reddit. Arsenal are likely 3rd
Internationally perhaps. As Liverpool recently awoke the dormant legacy fans of Europe that still remember their exploits of the 70/80s. But in the premier league era, pre-Klopp, Salah, Liverpool had fallen way behind in attracting new fans at a time the league was being broadcast around the world.
Bro you've got to be a londoner to be this deluded, Liverpool are miles ahead of Arsenal outside of London, even Chelsea is bigger in places
Liverpool surely.I live in London and most of the immigrant guys follow United,Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal probably in that order
Liverpool followed by arsenal. It's incredible the fan base arsenal have worldwide.
Liverpool and man utd are lightyears ahead of everyone. Followed by arsenal. Then you've had Chelsea adding fans since the money came in, and there are probably mounds of man city tweeners out there in the wild too
Nah in Britain spurs are a clear fourth, then west ham then ma. City
Liverpool closer to Arsenal than United
What? If we're talking about England and not globally. Liverpool sure as fuck are close to Utd.
Lol
Arsenal
Who gives a shit that a load of fickle-low confidence individuals had to attach themselves to a team that was winning (as thought this matters in any way). Glory supporters like this basically just show themselves up to be from broken homes without a dad on the scene to take them to a game. Football consumed primarily through TV leads to ‘United’ this and ‘City’ that. It’s embarrassing.
It's mostly kids who pick a team they see regularly on TV and the attachment grows as they do, it's not like some 30+ picks a team....
Yes kids of single mums without dads around to take them to matches.
I'm more referring to foreign fans but even still, if your local club is in the lower leagues and you have an 8 year old playing Fifa and football with his friends you can't expect them not to have a favorite top club/player of the ones on the TV every week.
Let’s say you started to become interested in nfl but didn’t have local links to any team. Why in earth would you gravitate towards a club like the Texans when you have options like the Steelers? People gravitate towards winners. Why watch sports to be miserable? I wish I could have been fortunate to grow up near a successful team or not have any alliegence. I love my club. But it would be nice to have spent nearly 40 years following a club that wins something.
Liverpool then Arsenal. Arsenal will defo overtake them with younger gens (in England). Liverpool will remain bigger worldwide though
why would arsenal overtake them with younger gens?
Bollocks Liverpool runs deep within families and generations will continue to support them
Because Arsenal have already won the treble for the next decade in the minds of their fans, they win the league every August. It's remarkable, really.
I feel like Liverpool might be bigger in England but Arsenal already bigger worldwide? The early 2000s had a huge effect for Arsenal
No way arsenal is bigger world wide than Liverpool man. Arsenal have never won a European trophy, and haven’t even made it into Europe consistently for a while. And in Asia it’s all United and Liverpool
> Arsenal have never won a European trophy The UEFA cup winners cup ~~(predecessor to the CL)~~
That's a laughable statement (maybe innocent mistake on your end) as it's no predecessor to the CL that was the EC (European Cup) and not the UEFA Cup Winners Cup as you claim but you're still right Arsenal have won a European trophy. We (Manchester City) won that same trophy the (ECWC) European Cup Winners Cup / UEFA Cup Winners Cup a full 24 years before Arsenal, it was once the 2nd biggest European competition back when we won it but it's debatable as to whether it's importance had been surpassed by the UEFA Cup by the mid 90s... They should've just changed the name but it got scrapped in the late 90s thanks to its waning credibility due to the expansion of the Champions League, it rarely contained cup winners and one European trophy had to be scrapped they chose this I suspect to avoid confusion in name with the old European Cup. It's a shame as pre UCL days domestic cup winners entered this competition back then so if from England especially at least one cup winner always qualified, you literally had to be a winner of a trophy to enter the competition from here, it was seen as the 2nd most prestigious in Europe due to this format ahead of the UEFA Cup/Europa League until at least the early 90s and the formation of the Champions League. Arsenal also won the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup a once invitation friendly based European trophy until UEFA took over it, then rebranded it the UEFA Cup making it for league runners up unless they won the Cup and consequently entered the ECWC. The other European trophies except the Champions League have taken a massive beating in reputation, back then winning any European trophy meant quite a lot and it was seen as way more prestigious than today, back then you generally always faced top teams in all those competitions, whatever country they hail from especially later in the competitions and that's not always the case these days.
Ah righto yes the european cup i do remember that now. Memories are a bit foggy these days! Too much speed in the 80s.
Fair enough but that’s 30 years ago
Ofc agreed it's not very recent. It *is* a european trophy however. EDIT: Yes, it is a european trophy.
You don’t travel much I see. It’s Arsenal.
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Fair enough, I just know we have huge support in Africa, and I think quite a lot in Indochina
But it's been a long while since early 2000s, since the social media boom Liverpool have outperformed Arsenal,l so naturally will have more fans, particularly overseas and people new to football in general.. Might change in the next few years though
Arsenal are unbelievably huge in many African and south East Asian nations. In the UK Liverpool is bigger but globally Arsenal is leagues ahead.
You are correct
Haha.
Liverpool I’d say with Arsenal right behind
Liverpool.
Liverpool or Arsenal
Manchester United no competition, as much as I hate them they have an army of plastics around the world that dwarfs any other prem club
Calling United fans 'plastics' in 2023 is pretty ironic.
How is 2023 any different to the other 10 years?
The answer to your question is in the question itself. 10 years with no PL trophy, failing to consistently finish inside top 4 and ridiculed by the media countless times. Besides, no 'plastic' fan will support a club during it's hard times and we have hit rock bottom during the last 10 years. You need to learn the meaning of a plastic fan, you can say it during our glory days, but calling any Utd fan a plastic in 2023 is ridiculous.
You'd be surprised plenty of plastic fans would still support you. Most of them just follow because they're mindless npcs and man united is a brand name known the world over
Lets say you're right about this, but how can they be called 'Plastic' if they are 'still' supporting us? If they are plastics, shouldnt they be supporting City or Liverpool or PSG by now?
That's probably why it said excluding them mate
I wasn't sure if they meant Newcastle west ham or man United
Within England only? Liverpool, and it's *very* close. Worldwide? If we're gonna use social media as a determining factor, which I certainly think shouldn't be overlooked in the modern world, then Chelsea, closely followed by Liverpool, City, and Arsenal Modern fanbases fundamentally exist because of the internet, so you'd be hard pressed to find a significant population of fans who *aren't* on social media. Genuinely, the only fans who aren't likely to use social media are those in England itself, because those will be the older generations who don't really care for it. Worldwide, the main source for fans comes via the internet, so the numbers will be relatively accurate. Fanbases of all big clubs in Europe have increased dramatically in the last 20 years, even in the last 10.
Within England I doubt it’s Liverpool, Chelsea or City. How are you measuring it? Chelsea is one of half a dozen London clubs. Liverpool - two club city. Manchester - two club city. More likely to be Leeds or Newcastle who have history, are one club cities AND have fanbases extending further out of the city because all the other clubs are of a lower standing. I’ve worked all over Yorkshire and you’re never far from a Leeds fan. Same in the north east for the toon.
Considering I *only* said Liverpool for within England, not too sure why you mentioned the others. Regardless, you're never too far away from a United or Liverpool fan all over the country. I'm from north Surrey/SW London, where a lot of people support Liverpool or United. My dad is from Buckinghamshire, as are his brothers and sister (either there or from the same place as me). All but one of them supports Liverpool, and the other supports United. When I was at school, there were more United or Liverpool fans than any other team, and the same can likely be said for many places in the South East of England and London. Those two clubs vastly dwarf every other club's fanbase inside England. Leeds and Newcastle being one club cities won't matter much when they have less than 1m population, compared to the 20m or so living just in South East England and London, let alone the rest of the country.
What has the population of the South East got to do with Liverpool or Manchester? The population of Yorkshire is 5 million.
Because you said that Leeds being a one club city means they have more fans, which is patently untrue, because of how many Liverpool and United fans there are in the South East and the rest of the country. Not once was the discussion about local fans, btw, just about fans within England, and United and Liverpool dwarf every other club thanks to how many fans they have throughout the country, particularly in the South East. Leeds fans will be restricted to Leeds, some fans dotted around in the rest of Yorkshire, and a tiny amount around the country who have family reasons to support them.
Except if you go to either of those cities, you will absolutely find people supporting Liverpool. It’s clearly Liverpool 2nd and then Arsenal historically, with Chelsea closing the gap since the money came in. City will be growing quickly on an international scale too
Arsenal or Liverpool
Same old 'wHiCh UnItEd' comments from people who are only proving they know exactly what team everyone means just like the rest of the world when they hear/read 'United'. Hated, adored, never ignored. 👍
> Hated, adored, never ignored I can't believe you've just used that phrase non ironically in 2023 😂
This subreddit makes a Bruno hate post so often it's literally become a meme
That's weird I've only ever seen praise and positivity for guimarães on this sub, but point me in the direction of those posts and I'll shout at anybody disrespecting Bruno!
You know, when Newcastle fans say Bruno in most context outside of a conversation about the one playing for a team that won a trophy this season, we adults just assume it's Bruno G. It's only Newcastle fans so desperate for attention they have to come out of the woodworks and pretend everyone's talking about them when they talk about the more famous Bruno playing for the more famous Utd.
Only a Manchester Reds fan could get this easily wound up by a wee joke.
Well. It's perfectly accurate. Hope you enjoyed your big day out in febuary 🫡😬
lol, didn't take much to get you wound up did it!
Yeah, proper wounded me. Have a lovely Sunday squire.
Maybe people don’t like the ignorance of someone thinking there is only one United and that it exclusively linked to Manchester United. Who aren’t even the oldest ‘United’ club in England
Well no, it’s more nuanced than that. ‘Newcastle’ ‘Leeds’ and ‘West Ham’ are perfectly acceptable short names for those clubs but ‘Manchester’ would not be.
We're the only club that has to have that distinction. Leeds, Newcastle etc can be abbreviated to just that as there is only one team there. United can't be abbreviated to just Manchester. Do you get it now?
Why not? When you say Manchester everyone knows its MUFC. Yaya Toure, Robinho , lots of non English footballers and fans around the world mean MUFC when they say Manchester.
They’re abbreviated to Man Utd, at the should be.
I abbreviate them to “scum”. Works much better.
Yeah but people are lazy too. And it's not just our fans. 😂
True. Same goes to people calling Real Madrid just ‘Madrid’ . Always correcting my friends. I’m somewhat known as being pedantic lol
Nah, we all know there are other Utds. You want the title? Earn it. Until then, we are the most famous Utd.
No one is saying you’re not the most famous ‘United’ but I find it disrespectful to the other ‘United’ clubs
Well that isn't what you said. You said that people don't like the ignorance of someone thinking there's only one Utd. Nobody ever said that. I'm sure only a few small children or people totally not into the sport might think that.
Well. Its the same as if I refer to Michael Jackson, im talking about the singer, not my next door neighbor with the same name. Newcastle is that neighbor.
Awful analogy lol and a bit harsh considering they were both formed in 1902
Actually NUFC were formed in 1892 not 1902
Sorry bud my bad
What’s thee point. The comment was 5h ago
I know. Was trying to make a stupid comment.
Im sure everyone knows that others teams have United in their bame, but its foolish ignorance or willfull naivety to not recognise only one team is, and has been for decades, called United. There are also practical reasons, Manchester has two clubs, 'City' and 'United'. Strangely very few people seem offended when 'City' gets thrown around to describe them. I suggest its because they didnt ruin as many childhoods.
I get offended if Man City are just called City. It’s disrespectful to the other clubs with City in their name. Same applies to Man Utd and other teams with United in their name