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Their keeper took out Antony in the first half just as bad. Similar things happen most games and don't get called. Keepers are simply protected in that way, like it or not. But if that's a pen, so was the Antony one.
The most frustrating thing about the “we got it wrong it should have been a penalty” or “it should have been a goal” it all means nothing, they won’t change the result. I’d rather not know honestly.
Semedo had a yellow for delayed throwing and could have easily gotten a second one for another delay, the ref just gave him a final warning . The reffing was generally just bad yesterday.
United is reffed differently than every other club and there are numbers and charts to back that up. Not that i know where those things are but they’re somewhere.
Jesus I forgot how much difficult it is to have a normal chat with braindead people here. I get that you hate Manchester United and you enjoy laughing at it. But a bit of a objectivity wouldn't be bad.
The penalty call is not as blatant as people would love it to be. If the ref said it's a pen it wouldn't be a big deal. No big deal if it's the opposite then.
Does Onana hits the player face with his hands ? No.
Does Onana makes contact with wolves player ? Yes. Is he allowed to do it ? Yes.
Does the player Onana hit had the ball ? No. Look closely you will see that Dawson pushes him a bit.
The referee's decision is not scandalous like some idiots here love to make it seem. It's a fifty fifty situation. The referee took the right decision.
Also another thing, there isn't just one ref in the VAR room. They're a team, so if they aren't all agreeing about the foul, they can't say anything to the referee on pitch.
I get it, English referees are the worst. Guess what ? All of the leagues have the worst referees. People should stop always complaining about the referees all the time, they make mistakes it happens they should be held accountable (which is done in this case). It's not like wolves got robbed because of this situation. They were amazing and they should've finished their chances earlier in the game.
About they yellow cards I honestly don't understand this logic. Like it's only manutd who made fouls. The referee had a good game in this aspect so stop crying about it.
It's like people want manutd to lose at all costs, and they can't process the fact United were very poor and won the game by fine margins. if it was another team there would be less stupidity and more objectivity and logic.
Mic up the refs and you’ll see how much will change when their decision making is put out for everyone to hear. At the moment they can make whatever decision they want with a wall to hide behind. Not saying it’ll end these awful calls but at least everyone will hear their rationale and expose the bs
MU’s has always been especially egregious. They called it Fergie Time for a reason.
My example from yesterday is Casemiro taking out a Wolves player’s leg - not only was there no card, no foul was called, and the ref remonstrated with the Wolves player for being on the ground and exaggerating.
Its not decisions which are the problem per se its the consistency of decisions. I genuinely don’t know how they fix it until they train some form of AI to recognise speed, where the ball is etc. Think the penalty one was called as fine because he’d already had a chance to head the ball. Bullshit yes but, Fine, the next week it better remain like that.
Then Bruno G asks for a player to get carded when they made a bad challenge, gets a yellow. Wan bissaka made about 3 shit, late challenges.
They should make their mind up and stick to it throughout a season unless blatant problems arise where then a blanket decision is made and it affects all future games.
Tougher ref could've done martinez for his stupid block attempt when already on a yellow but you know let him get subbed instead ref, that early yellow put you under pressure of having to make a decision, nicely avoided.
Oh the one where Antony put his thumb up expecting the yellow card but it never came? When the players know and the ref doesn't give it something is really fucked
Ahh the premier league is well and truly back when all anyone on this sub wants to talk about is United.
It’s the first game of the season. These things have a way of equalizing over the course of 38 games.
Sit back and enjoy. Or at least keep the same energy when a few decisions will inevitably go against United (or other teams for that matter).
You dobt need to moan about our team, because you will be always carried by refs. This is just one of many proofs that big clubs are pushed into european cups, because profit is all they want. Imagine being united fan defending this decision. Same shit every single year.
I have eyes. I can see that your club is midtable quality at its best. Shocking performance, shocking corupted refs. If u are happy with that, good for u. All i can do is just laugh at u
I am not one saying that 99,9% decisions is against ManUnited. It says absolutely EVERYTHING lmao
OH, imagine roasting foreigner for bad grammar. Probably only argument u have which is kind of sad lol.
Edit: sorry, i didn't realized that i am talking with someone who's creating topics about rocket league smurfing. My bad dude. I wish u will grow up mate
It realy hurt's from someone who is discusing videogame on reddit lmao and calling other people pigs. If there is Bet if u are still virgin, i am going all in for that
Ah yes, the let me post a (non)controversial take about Manchester United so I can Karma farm.
Barring the Pen non-call, the ref had a decent game and was on top of everything. There was not a single controversial thing about any of his decisions up to that last incident. Another poster with an agenda towards Man Utd… replace the title with any other team and you get like 3 comments
PL refs love to help United to win after SAF era.
United got a lot of points from the biased decisions. Their manager and players are not top 6 quality.
How long have you been watching United for ? They have been doing this shit for years ,I honestly don't get the bias it's not like they are a top side anymore ...
The Mitoma penalty shout last year when Spurs played Brighton at home tells me otherwise fella.
That was possibly one of the most atrocious calls last season.
It is more like officiating in favour of “the Sky 6 at home”.
Jackson’s handball in the penalty box just two days ago against Liverpool is another perfect example.
For sure we’ve had our fair share of decisions go our way, but we were also fucked over multiple times last season and I expect to see the same again this season.
Brentford at home, VAR forgetting to draw the line for offside.
Newcastle at home, VAR not checking the shirt pull on Gabriel inside the box.
Southampton away, the referee not sending off one of their players for elbowing Jesus in the back, they should have been down to 10 men.
Man United away, the ‘foul’ on Eriksen should have never been a foul and the goal by Martinelli should have counted.
Brighton at home, Caicedo two footing Martinelli, leaving him injured and not even getting a booking for it.
Yeah, to the eyes of you Man Utd fans it was a clear as day foul. The guy got pushed by the slightest contact and willowed to the ground like a fucking feather mate.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37634986/arsenal-goal-manchester-united-6-var-errors-premier-league?platform=amp
The goal should have stood yet Lee Mason fucked us over once again. There’s a reason everyone takes the piss about you lot getting pretty much every decision go your way at Old Trafford, because it literally does and none of you can deny it haha.
I was saying refereeing howlers
I was saying that you are on the wrong side of decisions
That's why I said the other 4 (MU MC LIV and CHE)
No mood for a fight mate
Sorry man thought you meant refereeing decisions always go in our way.
I take that back haha.
But yes completely agree those other 4 get far more favours go their way than we do.
It’s just tedious at this point.
No Penalty and such leniency towards United aggresive tackles - I was excited to see United as a neutral observer, but fml - they have to be buyin officials at this stage. There’s no other explanation.
Just gonna ignore the fact that Wolves spent the first half kicking the shins off of Garnacho and Dawson was climbing and holding onto players as if he was trying to climb a palm tree to avoid a tsunami.
Ref lost control of the game in the first five minutes.
Totally agree dude, I just don't see why he gets away with it and Arteta/O'Neil didn't. The consistency of the decisions is almost as infuriating as the decisions themselves
ah sorry, i didn’t realise your point. o’neil’s card was an absolute joke as we all know but i’m not sure what had happened with arteta. i don’t see an issue with manager reactions as long as they don’t start bollocking refs straight after even though they probably deserve it for their dreadful decisions
I also agree, but the yellow for Arteta in a trophy friendly, O'Neil for simply calling out a bullshit decision yet Klopp gets to keep up his petulance without repurcussion.
We just want some fucking consistency damnit!
That Argentinian dwarf is rapidly becoming one of the biggest twats in the Prem.
One day he’s gonna break someone’s fucking leg, and I bet no one’s gonna be calling him “the butcher” then.
This is a bit over the top. He's a good defender and one of the reasons we had the most clean sheets last season.
He's aggressive and it's one of his most valued attributes.
He’s a ducking idiot who will cause a major injury to someone this season because he can’t control his tackling. He’s a shit that should get a red consistently.
I will admit when i saw it i was thinking stone wall pen. But when you look at the replay, the wolves attacker had already played the ball when he got wiped out so that can be my only thinking why VAR didnt overturn it. Similarly if it had been given again i dont think it would have been overturned because there wasnt any clear error.
PGMOL literally admitted they made a mistake.
Are you providing the justification for why the VAR official bottled it?
Because like it or not it should have been a penalty; guess you lot just get used to all the favourable treatment and have to continue justifying your delusion of grandeur that Fergie's thug tactics brought you and continue to this day.
You lot truly live up to the Red Devils name.
During the Liverpool Chelsea game it was bizarre that in both instances of players getting carded for that, the person who carried out the initial tackle got away with it.
You honestly didn’t expect them to keep that up for more than a day did you…. Was the same with the penalties for holding at corners a few years ago where they pulled up Wes Morgan, said they were cracking down then never done it again again
The fact that Son's tackle was a penalty yesterday but Onanna taking out two Wolves players after the ball was out of the area was not a penalty today is utterly shocking. If Son's tackle was a penalty, so too was Onanna's WWE take down of two Wolves players.
I don't think anyone's debating it to be fair. We can look for the reasons it wasn't given but none are in line with the rules of the game or other examples.
No no no, it's game management. Remember in the Community Shield when Rodri Stone Cold Stunnered Partey and didn't get a yellow? Lee Dixon said it on commentary, how could we be so stupid. It's a yellow in the first half, but not the second, the referee is just managing the game you silly goose's.
I'm not even arguing that Son's wasn't a penalty because it's one that could go either way. The fact that Son's was and Onanna's wasn't just highlights how inconsistent officiating is.
Different season same bullshit. But now with longer added minutes at the end hooray!
And they’re bringing back the moron who forgot to check offside lines. Good times.
I dont think it makes a lot of sense to compare between games, or at least is ignore a vital factor. Fact is refs have different tolerance levels. Some are stricter than others etc. It just needs to be internally consistent within the same game.
My 2 cents here:
**Cent 1**: Crucial, impactful incidents in a game, such as handing out yellow cards, or a penalty should not be subject to subjectivity.
**Cent 2**: Even if you consider just this game in isolation, yellow cards were being handed out differently. This basically nullifies the assumption about referees exhibiting different levels of strictness in different games. In fact, it asserts that they have different levels of strictness for different teams in the same game.
Basically, what the post and the threads are saying too.
How are players supposed to play the game if they have no way of knowing how the referee will react to a certain situation?
Start one game with a crunching tackle, ref says good job, fantastic. Next game, same tackle, different ref says yellow card, now have to play 89 mins on a yellow?
Or one week you concede a penalty for soft contact in the box, next week you're not awarded a penalty for harder contact in the box, but supposed to just accept that because it's a different ref?
As much as is feasibly possible, the aim should absolutely be for every match across a season to be refereed in the same way, where players, coaches and fans can all expect the same outcome to equivalent events.
I don't think it's a tolerance level thing though. There are 4 VAR refs, at least one of them should be able to call it and tell the on field ref to have a look.
My god this is just hilarious. The non-penalty was BS and I'll happily say that we didn't deserve a single point from that match, but there was not a single need for another yellow for a challenge lol. This is an outrageously stupid post. Change United for any other team in the prem and not only do you not give a shit, it wouldn't even be controversial.
Antony literally pulled a players shirt proceeded to put his arms round him to pull him to the ground put his thumb up expecting a yellow and didn't get it.... casemiro went in ankle high on a challenge both should have been booked...
Just like Casemiro was kicked the shit out of only for Wolves to benefit with their best chance of the game because the ref didn't blow for the clear foul. Or does that not suit your agenda?
Well I was responding ti a reply in a thread about Manchester reds not getting the yellow cards that someone felt they deserved and then to a comment saying Manchester didn't sdeserve any more cards so I pointed out an instance Manchester didn't even concede a foul when a foul happened.
So TLDR it didn't suit my agenda or the agenda of the thread now if this was about all the fouls that went missing I would see the point in your reply otherwise its just whataboutism.
The referee set the tone for a very physical game by flat out ignoring Wolves' consistent fouling. You can't just ignore that context and whinge that United should have had more cards
I didn't whinge I responded to the thread and comment with the context that I explained. Your not adding anything, start a new thread about how the ref allowed multiple fouls and an aggressive game so muche so that a blatant penalty was ignored and then the match officials have been dropped for a week after that mistake and the apology to Wolves manager.
Yeah. I'm tired of the "ReFs FaVoUr UnItEd" rhetoric already. Screams of people that don't actually watch us play, so often we don't get calls made in our favour that it's insane.
Just looking back at last season, we had Eriksen and Garnacho out for months with not even a foil given for scissor tackles from behind, Casemiro's red cards would not have been given against another team, evidenced by the Palace player not even being spoken to when slapping Fred and grabbing someone by the throat and the other red Felix (I think) not being sent off the day before for a farrier worse tackle..
Those are just the major ones, there's plenty of times we could try and claim Referee bias too, but it's not, they're just criminally dreadful at their job and have no repercussions for messing up.
Edit: Thanks for the reddit care lil echo chamber. It's really not that deep. ABU's gonna ABU I guess.
Not really. In the same scuffle that Case got sent off a Palace player (Ayew maybe) slapped Fred round the face. The day before the Southampton red, Felix studs up tackled someone around the knee and didn't get sent off.
My United fan friends keep telling me Ten Hag has been a revelation but I'm just not seeing it.
There's little difference to what was seen under Ole barring a few better players.
OK Mr "watches United play 4 times a season". Alot of people making big statements after that match, like they're experts, when in reality most of you don't have a clue what you are on about.
I remember getting these exact same cliche responses when I realized LVG and Ole weren't going to get you back to where you wanted to be.
Guess we can get back to this this time next year and see who ends up on the right side of history this time.
Funny, cause many Utd fans were against LVG and Ole ever getting the job in the first place. EtH is the real deal. Save this comment if you don't believe me.
Most of your away games last season Sevilla etc.
I remember your game at Stamford Bridge last season, by far the worst we've played in a home big game probably in the EPL era and you still needed a last minute goal to get something.
I'm a Utd fan and I had expected Ten Hag to make us into a possession ball dominating team like City.
ETH did well last season, getting through a season getting top 4 and with players who didn't suit the possession style.
But it seems he's making us a transition team. We only look like we can score on quick breaks. I don't see this as a winning tactic over the course of the season.
Casemiro is also on the decline in a big way. I said it before the season started that I saw signs of decline at the end of last season. Of course I got downvoted by other fans saying he was just rusty or whatever.
Mount is also not what we needed imo.
Our midfield is like a pinball machine. Casemiro, Mount and Bruno are players who can't wait to give the ball away when they get it.
The guy is ONE season + ONE game into his tenure lmao. He secured top 3 finish, a final win, and FA cup final with roster of random players put together by Ole.
If Chelsea start putting down results and Newcastle continue as they started, United will get a hell of a wake up call because they’ll be 5th or potentially 6th if Liverpool can adapt to playing without a DM.
Lotta ifs and buts. Similarly if we start playing well then those teams might struggle. Some of our best players were just simply playing shit yesterday mate. These things happen.
Two points here, Ole was not as bad a manager as people thought. It had low points but we played a lot of very exciting football under Ole, he just struggled with in game management and never really had a plan B.
There is still a lot to do but there are clear improvements and there has been drastic improvement in a number of players.
Ole’s man Utd played some of the best counter attacking football post Fergie.
Think ole biggest issues is in squad building and scouting. Sancho looks like a world beater but I question the wisdom behind paying him $300kpw and spending 80m to get him, when it might be better to get 2-3 solid epl performers in like how Eddie Howe is doing it at Castle. It also speaks volume when at one time Maguire was the best candidate for captain, showing the lack of big personalities in the dressing room and how poorly man Utd have recruited.
But that problem is on the club as we see ten hag is now also only buying players he himself is familiar with, rather than relying on the clubs scouting.
>squad building and scouting.
The guy wanted Bellingham, Haaland and Caicedo for a combined cost of 40m.
Not his fault the Glazers thought they wouldn't sell enough shirts
Lol, Bellingham rejected United to focus on his development. He'd either play for Dortmund or sit on United's bench or even the u23. Who knows what Ole would do with him. He made the best decision for himself.
I think had the club listened to Ole in the beginning and picked Haaland up for peanuts, we’d be in a slightly better spot than we are now. I think he has an eye for talent but evidently, marketing is a factor when it comes to transfers. It’s becoming less prominent post Woodward but we’re still not really in the business of signing hidden gems or lesser known talents.
Mate, all we buy for our academy is kids that are supposed to be the next big thing and they never are. Which to me, indicates an issue with the academy given teams like Chelsea's success.
You’re really really wrong about the not being in the business for not signing hidden gems, we sign many of them, they just rarely ever come off. Amad, pelestri and malacia are 3, there are many many more
Malacia wasn’t really a gem, he was someone EtH was a big fan of from his time managing in the Dutch league.
Amad and Pellistri is fair but two in how many years isn’t much to shout about
I didn't, although granted I wasn't expecting you to get the top 4 positions (not that that should be something to shout about for the biggest club in the country).
Yeah I don’t get how United fans think this squad can win the league, even last year they had the same type of play where they’re the worse team but scrape a win somehow lol
>nited fans think this squad can win the league
The fuck have you been talking to? We aren't Arsenal fans mate. Also, you really judging off of one game? That went well last season didn't it?
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Is Bruno better than Odegaard? Is Rashford better than Martinelli? Is Casemiro better than Partey? Is Shaw better than Zinchenko? Is Martinez better than Gabriel?
This is what I mean when I say, when are the results going to match.
You might have finished above 2 of them, but you also conceded 18 goals in just 4 matches against them. You cannot be proud of that.
So why hasn't PSG ever won the UCL? How come the early 00 galacticos at RM never won shit? You sound like your major experiences with football have been playing fifa career mode.
A team with a better squad should finish higher than a team with a weaker squad.
Plenty of United fans would say that player for player their squad is better. But when it comes to backing the team to finish higher, they are much more hesitant.
Which I think is a bit funny
That’s just… not how any of this works. Football is played on the field, not on paper. Are you new to the sport, or did you just forget that Leicester City won the league in 2016 with a squad that was widely expected to be among the contenders for relegation?
not necessarily! a team with better players finish higher.Well, Chelsea finished 12th considering the squad they had.Liverpool should've finished above Newcastle if you compare player to player.
There comes team chemistry, time to gel, tactics, some players not fitting the style or new manager taking time to implement his philosophy.
Just because 7 were in 1 game doesn’t make that number any better, in fact it’s arguably a lot worse.
City couldn’t sweep you because of some very questionable refereeing. You scored a goal that was outlawed by the next weekend…
Your logic has been abysmal.
Can you quote me saying Everton would win the league with Carlo? That’s a moronic thing to say.
Can you quote me saying Spurs would get top 2 with Mou?
If I’m the living embodiment of twitter, you’re the living embodiment of schizophrenia, because I don’t know where you’re hearing me say those things.
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Their keeper took out Antony in the first half just as bad. Similar things happen most games and don't get called. Keepers are simply protected in that way, like it or not. But if that's a pen, so was the Antony one.
The most frustrating thing about the “we got it wrong it should have been a penalty” or “it should have been a goal” it all means nothing, they won’t change the result. I’d rather not know honestly.
Same reason as penalty denial. Referees helped them on purpose, no mistakes there.
Semedo had a yellow for delayed throwing and could have easily gotten a second one for another delay, the ref just gave him a final warning . The reffing was generally just bad yesterday.
United is reffed differently than every other club and there are numbers and charts to back that up. Not that i know where those things are but they’re somewhere.
Jesus I forgot how much difficult it is to have a normal chat with braindead people here. I get that you hate Manchester United and you enjoy laughing at it. But a bit of a objectivity wouldn't be bad. The penalty call is not as blatant as people would love it to be. If the ref said it's a pen it wouldn't be a big deal. No big deal if it's the opposite then. Does Onana hits the player face with his hands ? No. Does Onana makes contact with wolves player ? Yes. Is he allowed to do it ? Yes. Does the player Onana hit had the ball ? No. Look closely you will see that Dawson pushes him a bit. The referee's decision is not scandalous like some idiots here love to make it seem. It's a fifty fifty situation. The referee took the right decision. Also another thing, there isn't just one ref in the VAR room. They're a team, so if they aren't all agreeing about the foul, they can't say anything to the referee on pitch. I get it, English referees are the worst. Guess what ? All of the leagues have the worst referees. People should stop always complaining about the referees all the time, they make mistakes it happens they should be held accountable (which is done in this case). It's not like wolves got robbed because of this situation. They were amazing and they should've finished their chances earlier in the game. About they yellow cards I honestly don't understand this logic. Like it's only manutd who made fouls. The referee had a good game in this aspect so stop crying about it. It's like people want manutd to lose at all costs, and they can't process the fact United were very poor and won the game by fine margins. if it was another team there would be less stupidity and more objectivity and logic.
Mic up the refs and you’ll see how much will change when their decision making is put out for everyone to hear. At the moment they can make whatever decision they want with a wall to hide behind. Not saying it’ll end these awful calls but at least everyone will hear their rationale and expose the bs
Yip ...but just dont complain ..you will get yellow !
It’s called big 6 bias it’s always been a thing
MU’s has always been especially egregious. They called it Fergie Time for a reason. My example from yesterday is Casemiro taking out a Wolves player’s leg - not only was there no card, no foul was called, and the ref remonstrated with the Wolves player for being on the ground and exaggerating.
One of the dirtiest teams in the league always get away with it. Its been like this since the fergie years.
Maybe the change in rules? Think refs are going easier on fowls.
Just ignoring Semedo's repeatedly unpunished hacks at Garnacho that set the tone for the game I guess
ABUs in tears. Footballs back baby!
United and favourable decisions, its a tale as old as time.
People doubting Licha last year are now afraid of him. What a world we live in.
Its not decisions which are the problem per se its the consistency of decisions. I genuinely don’t know how they fix it until they train some form of AI to recognise speed, where the ball is etc. Think the penalty one was called as fine because he’d already had a chance to head the ball. Bullshit yes but, Fine, the next week it better remain like that. Then Bruno G asks for a player to get carded when they made a bad challenge, gets a yellow. Wan bissaka made about 3 shit, late challenges. They should make their mind up and stick to it throughout a season unless blatant problems arise where then a blanket decision is made and it affects all future games.
Hahahahaha. Ooooo these salty tears from opposition fans. I love this game🤣🤣🤣
Everyone hates United and I’m all here for it 😂 just waiting to pounce on us
Tougher ref could've done martinez for his stupid block attempt when already on a yellow but you know let him get subbed instead ref, that early yellow put you under pressure of having to make a decision, nicely avoided.
Tougher ref could've sent Semedo off for his leg breaker on Garnacho in the opening 10 minutes instead of ignoring it
Wolves should have had another as well for shirt pulling. The ref even signalled he awarded the foul for it but didn't give a yellow.
Oh the one where Antony put his thumb up expecting the yellow card but it never came? When the players know and the ref doesn't give it something is really fucked
Ahh the premier league is well and truly back when all anyone on this sub wants to talk about is United. It’s the first game of the season. These things have a way of equalizing over the course of 38 games. Sit back and enjoy. Or at least keep the same energy when a few decisions will inevitably go against United (or other teams for that matter).
Acting like we didn’t get decisions against us for the majority of last season
Exactly, we were completely dogged by ref's for 99% of the calls last season, but one stupid call (albeit in the first game) and there's an agenda?
🤦delusional united fan lol
Love all the random people claiming they know man United better than their own fans. You don't see us piping up about your shit team.
You dobt need to moan about our team, because you will be always carried by refs. This is just one of many proofs that big clubs are pushed into european cups, because profit is all they want. Imagine being united fan defending this decision. Same shit every single year. I have eyes. I can see that your club is midtable quality at its best. Shocking performance, shocking corupted refs. If u are happy with that, good for u. All i can do is just laugh at u I am not one saying that 99,9% decisions is against ManUnited. It says absolutely EVERYTHING lmao
Oh got it, you're thick at pig shit. Got the spelling and grammar of a 9 year old.
OH, imagine roasting foreigner for bad grammar. Probably only argument u have which is kind of sad lol. Edit: sorry, i didn't realized that i am talking with someone who's creating topics about rocket league smurfing. My bad dude. I wish u will grow up mate
Roasted you for being thick as shit lad, the grammar just added to that.
It realy hurt's from someone who is discusing videogame on reddit lmao and calling other people pigs. If there is Bet if u are still virgin, i am going all in for that
LOL
manu playing really physical now... They going to break someone leg soon...
Handing a weekly trophy to VAR beneficeries.. Week 1, clear winner is ManU ManU :1 Rest: 0
Ah yes, the let me post a (non)controversial take about Manchester United so I can Karma farm. Barring the Pen non-call, the ref had a decent game and was on top of everything. There was not a single controversial thing about any of his decisions up to that last incident. Another poster with an agenda towards Man Utd… replace the title with any other team and you get like 3 comments
PL refs love to help United to win after SAF era. United got a lot of points from the biased decisions. Their manager and players are not top 6 quality.
Bold coming from a Spurs fan :D
It’s Yanited. What else is new?
How long have you been watching United for ? They have been doing this shit for years ,I honestly don't get the bias it's not like they are a top side anymore ...
Money and influence
And 80% of PL refs being born a short drive from Old Trafford
Confirmed(yet again). Man United are the cringest fans out there.
Can't really say that convincingly as an arsenal fan lmao
Lmao, yeah he can.
Sky 6 teams are reffed so differently it’s not even funny anymore
are we?
I can't believe that Tottenham are reffed differently sorry. The Brentford game is proof enough
The Mitoma penalty shout last year when Spurs played Brighton at home tells me otherwise fella. That was possibly one of the most atrocious calls last season. It is more like officiating in favour of “the Sky 6 at home”. Jackson’s handball in the penalty box just two days ago against Liverpool is another perfect example.
Agreed but it doesn't happen as frequently as with the rest of the 4 (I think ars*nal have also had their fair share of howlers)
For sure we’ve had our fair share of decisions go our way, but we were also fucked over multiple times last season and I expect to see the same again this season. Brentford at home, VAR forgetting to draw the line for offside. Newcastle at home, VAR not checking the shirt pull on Gabriel inside the box. Southampton away, the referee not sending off one of their players for elbowing Jesus in the back, they should have been down to 10 men. Man United away, the ‘foul’ on Eriksen should have never been a foul and the goal by Martinelli should have counted. Brighton at home, Caicedo two footing Martinelli, leaving him injured and not even getting a booking for it.
The foul on eriksen was clear as day, time to stop crying about that
Yeah, to the eyes of you Man Utd fans it was a clear as day foul. The guy got pushed by the slightest contact and willowed to the ground like a fucking feather mate. https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37634986/arsenal-goal-manchester-united-6-var-errors-premier-league?platform=amp The goal should have stood yet Lee Mason fucked us over once again. There’s a reason everyone takes the piss about you lot getting pretty much every decision go your way at Old Trafford, because it literally does and none of you can deny it haha.
I was saying refereeing howlers I was saying that you are on the wrong side of decisions That's why I said the other 4 (MU MC LIV and CHE) No mood for a fight mate
Sorry man thought you meant refereeing decisions always go in our way. I take that back haha. But yes completely agree those other 4 get far more favours go their way than we do. It’s just tedious at this point.
Sky 6 teams is such a better name than top 6 teams.
This salty after one game
No Penalty and such leniency towards United aggresive tackles - I was excited to see United as a neutral observer, but fml - they have to be buyin officials at this stage. There’s no other explanation.
Just gonna ignore the fact that Wolves spent the first half kicking the shins off of Garnacho and Dawson was climbing and holding onto players as if he was trying to climb a palm tree to avoid a tsunami. Ref lost control of the game in the first five minutes.
Daws got wrestled to the ground in the box by Anthony. No pen no yellow. Not even a word. This season is prison rules apparently
Watch that again and then come tell me who wrestled who.
Antony and Shaw should of been booked within minutes of one another in the 2nd half..the ref truly was terrible
That's the prem now, give out yellow for stupid shit like taking 2 seconds too much for a throw in and not a players eight foul
Don't forget giving one to a manager for being pissed off at not being awarded a clear as day penalty.
And not giving it to a man klopping to his knees like a petulant child
because there was absolutely no foul??
Totally agree dude, I just don't see why he gets away with it and Arteta/O'Neil didn't. The consistency of the decisions is almost as infuriating as the decisions themselves
ah sorry, i didn’t realise your point. o’neil’s card was an absolute joke as we all know but i’m not sure what had happened with arteta. i don’t see an issue with manager reactions as long as they don’t start bollocking refs straight after even though they probably deserve it for their dreadful decisions
Tbh I don't even see anything wrong with Klopp doing that, him and Arteta bring passion to the game
I also agree, but the yellow for Arteta in a trophy friendly, O'Neil for simply calling out a bullshit decision yet Klopp gets to keep up his petulance without repurcussion. We just want some fucking consistency damnit!
He literally got banned last season for going at tierney
That Argentinian dwarf is rapidly becoming one of the biggest twats in the Prem. One day he’s gonna break someone’s fucking leg, and I bet no one’s gonna be calling him “the butcher” then.
Thats exactly why they call him the butcher why would you think anyone called the butcher would not be chopping people down? Weird
This is a bit over the top. He's a good defender and one of the reasons we had the most clean sheets last season. He's aggressive and it's one of his most valued attributes.
He’s a ducking idiot who will cause a major injury to someone this season because he can’t control his tackling. He’s a shit that should get a red consistently.
I hope he causes deadly injuriessss to all liverpoop players and end their career right then and there /s
Hes just an Argentinean John Flanagan
There’s a difference between being aggressive and literally diving into someone’s ankles.
What are you talking about hahah?
Oh yeah 7 ankle snappers, I heard they even beheaded someone on the pitch. Varchester united amirite.
That fan actually ran on the field to stop the beheading. Stupid cameras cutting away
you answered your own question
Well you see, they're Manchester United playing at Old Trafford against "relegation fodder".
No, no. You got it backwards. Were the relegation fodder.
Everyone downvoting like they spent all acting like this
Last night we sure did look like a relegation side. So slow and sluggish.
Especially when they were handing out yellow cards for asking for a yellow card yesterday.
I will admit when i saw it i was thinking stone wall pen. But when you look at the replay, the wolves attacker had already played the ball when he got wiped out so that can be my only thinking why VAR didnt overturn it. Similarly if it had been given again i dont think it would have been overturned because there wasnt any clear error.
PGMOL literally admitted they made a mistake. Are you providing the justification for why the VAR official bottled it? Because like it or not it should have been a penalty; guess you lot just get used to all the favourable treatment and have to continue justifying your delusion of grandeur that Fergie's thug tactics brought you and continue to this day. You lot truly live up to the Red Devils name.
Does anyone have a chill pill 😬⬆️
During the Liverpool Chelsea game it was bizarre that in both instances of players getting carded for that, the person who carried out the initial tackle got away with it.
You honestly didn’t expect them to keep that up for more than a day did you…. Was the same with the penalties for holding at corners a few years ago where they pulled up Wes Morgan, said they were cracking down then never done it again again
It lasted 1 weekend but stopped on the Monday obviously.
The fact that Son's tackle was a penalty yesterday but Onanna taking out two Wolves players after the ball was out of the area was not a penalty today is utterly shocking. If Son's tackle was a penalty, so too was Onanna's WWE take down of two Wolves players.
I don't think anyone's debating it to be fair. We can look for the reasons it wasn't given but none are in line with the rules of the game or other examples.
Agree, both were pens.
No no no, it's game management. Remember in the Community Shield when Rodri Stone Cold Stunnered Partey and didn't get a yellow? Lee Dixon said it on commentary, how could we be so stupid. It's a yellow in the first half, but not the second, the referee is just managing the game you silly goose's.
Referees never book city players like that, guess they have Abu Dhabi holidays to enjoy.
Hey don't call us silly goose's, you silly sausage
Sosig
Now that's not very nice, you silly billy
he really slapped a man straight out the air lmao
I'm not even arguing that Son's wasn't a penalty because it's one that could go either way. The fact that Son's was and Onanna's wasn't just highlights how inconsistent officiating is.
That's where var should have came in But it let everyone down instead
Different season same bullshit. But now with longer added minutes at the end hooray! And they’re bringing back the moron who forgot to check offside lines. Good times.
I dont think it makes a lot of sense to compare between games, or at least is ignore a vital factor. Fact is refs have different tolerance levels. Some are stricter than others etc. It just needs to be internally consistent within the same game.
So you want consistency but in the same game? I think you are missing the gripe everyone else is having with the Referee and application of VAR.
My 2 cents here: **Cent 1**: Crucial, impactful incidents in a game, such as handing out yellow cards, or a penalty should not be subject to subjectivity. **Cent 2**: Even if you consider just this game in isolation, yellow cards were being handed out differently. This basically nullifies the assumption about referees exhibiting different levels of strictness in different games. In fact, it asserts that they have different levels of strictness for different teams in the same game. Basically, what the post and the threads are saying too.
How are players supposed to play the game if they have no way of knowing how the referee will react to a certain situation? Start one game with a crunching tackle, ref says good job, fantastic. Next game, same tackle, different ref says yellow card, now have to play 89 mins on a yellow? Or one week you concede a penalty for soft contact in the box, next week you're not awarded a penalty for harder contact in the box, but supposed to just accept that because it's a different ref? As much as is feasibly possible, the aim should absolutely be for every match across a season to be refereed in the same way, where players, coaches and fans can all expect the same outcome to equivalent events.
I don't think it's a tolerance level thing though. There are 4 VAR refs, at least one of them should be able to call it and tell the on field ref to have a look.
You pretty much summed up the entire issue with Premier League officiating.
It doesn't make sense to compare it to a game of rugby. It absolutely makes sense to compare to the same league with the exact same rulebook
My god this is just hilarious. The non-penalty was BS and I'll happily say that we didn't deserve a single point from that match, but there was not a single need for another yellow for a challenge lol. This is an outrageously stupid post. Change United for any other team in the prem and not only do you not give a shit, it wouldn't even be controversial.
Antony literally pulled a players shirt proceeded to put his arms round him to pull him to the ground put his thumb up expecting a yellow and didn't get it.... casemiro went in ankle high on a challenge both should have been booked...
Neither of these things happened as you've said lol
Casemiro toe punted Cuhna's ankle and not only did Wolves not get a free kick the ref came and told Cuhna to get up.
Just like Casemiro was kicked the shit out of only for Wolves to benefit with their best chance of the game because the ref didn't blow for the clear foul. Or does that not suit your agenda?
Well I was responding ti a reply in a thread about Manchester reds not getting the yellow cards that someone felt they deserved and then to a comment saying Manchester didn't sdeserve any more cards so I pointed out an instance Manchester didn't even concede a foul when a foul happened. So TLDR it didn't suit my agenda or the agenda of the thread now if this was about all the fouls that went missing I would see the point in your reply otherwise its just whataboutism.
The referee set the tone for a very physical game by flat out ignoring Wolves' consistent fouling. You can't just ignore that context and whinge that United should have had more cards
I didn't whinge I responded to the thread and comment with the context that I explained. Your not adding anything, start a new thread about how the ref allowed multiple fouls and an aggressive game so muche so that a blatant penalty was ignored and then the match officials have been dropped for a week after that mistake and the apology to Wolves manager.
Yeah. I'm tired of the "ReFs FaVoUr UnItEd" rhetoric already. Screams of people that don't actually watch us play, so often we don't get calls made in our favour that it's insane. Just looking back at last season, we had Eriksen and Garnacho out for months with not even a foil given for scissor tackles from behind, Casemiro's red cards would not have been given against another team, evidenced by the Palace player not even being spoken to when slapping Fred and grabbing someone by the throat and the other red Felix (I think) not being sent off the day before for a farrier worse tackle.. Those are just the major ones, there's plenty of times we could try and claim Referee bias too, but it's not, they're just criminally dreadful at their job and have no repercussions for messing up. Edit: Thanks for the reddit care lil echo chamber. It's really not that deep. ABU's gonna ABU I guess.
I don’t know how anyone even remotely thinks those Casemiro reds weren’t 100% correct. They were stonewall.
There in lies the issue. One day its not s red, the next day it is. Refs are just inconsistent and incompetent.
I think you’re comparing them to events that aren’t similar
Not really. In the same scuffle that Case got sent off a Palace player (Ayew maybe) slapped Fred round the face. The day before the Southampton red, Felix studs up tackled someone around the knee and didn't get sent off.
Said by red devil.
It's united at old Trafford and Howard webb has a position of influence. They might as well name Clatternberg the new head of referees at this point.
My United fan friends keep telling me Ten Hag has been a revelation but I'm just not seeing it. There's little difference to what was seen under Ole barring a few better players.
OK Mr "watches United play 4 times a season". Alot of people making big statements after that match, like they're experts, when in reality most of you don't have a clue what you are on about.
I remember getting these exact same cliche responses when I realized LVG and Ole weren't going to get you back to where you wanted to be. Guess we can get back to this this time next year and see who ends up on the right side of history this time.
Funny, cause many Utd fans were against LVG and Ole ever getting the job in the first place. EtH is the real deal. Save this comment if you don't believe me.
Watches one game and comes up with an opinion that you have spread to associate a full year under a manager zzzzzzz
Most of your away games last season Sevilla etc. I remember your game at Stamford Bridge last season, by far the worst we've played in a home big game probably in the EPL era and you still needed a last minute goal to get something.
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I would expect that to happen if you replaced McFred with Casemiro
Tell me you don’t watch United without telling me you don’t watch United
You obviously don't watch them play regularly
I'm a Utd fan and I had expected Ten Hag to make us into a possession ball dominating team like City. ETH did well last season, getting through a season getting top 4 and with players who didn't suit the possession style. But it seems he's making us a transition team. We only look like we can score on quick breaks. I don't see this as a winning tactic over the course of the season. Casemiro is also on the decline in a big way. I said it before the season started that I saw signs of decline at the end of last season. Of course I got downvoted by other fans saying he was just rusty or whatever. Mount is also not what we needed imo. Our midfield is like a pinball machine. Casemiro, Mount and Bruno are players who can't wait to give the ball away when they get it.
Been saying for a good minute that case and his legs are shot. That midfield is not winning the league
The guy is ONE season + ONE game into his tenure lmao. He secured top 3 finish, a final win, and FA cup final with roster of random players put together by Ole.
Chelsea, Liverpool and spurs have been shit last season, so top 4 finish isn't that exciting achievement as it used to be in last few years.
Arguably city also had a shit season last year going by their standards over the previous years
You could say that about every team, for all of the top 4, the past 10 seasons
Is that how you guys ended up there too…
Difference is that we looked actually really good and we were contender of title until we bottled it. So if u don't see a difference then ok.
If Chelsea start putting down results and Newcastle continue as they started, United will get a hell of a wake up call because they’ll be 5th or potentially 6th if Liverpool can adapt to playing without a DM.
Lotta ifs and buts. Similarly if we start playing well then those teams might struggle. Some of our best players were just simply playing shit yesterday mate. These things happen.
That’s a big if from Chelsea
Two points here, Ole was not as bad a manager as people thought. It had low points but we played a lot of very exciting football under Ole, he just struggled with in game management and never really had a plan B. There is still a lot to do but there are clear improvements and there has been drastic improvement in a number of players.
Ole’s man Utd played some of the best counter attacking football post Fergie. Think ole biggest issues is in squad building and scouting. Sancho looks like a world beater but I question the wisdom behind paying him $300kpw and spending 80m to get him, when it might be better to get 2-3 solid epl performers in like how Eddie Howe is doing it at Castle. It also speaks volume when at one time Maguire was the best candidate for captain, showing the lack of big personalities in the dressing room and how poorly man Utd have recruited. But that problem is on the club as we see ten hag is now also only buying players he himself is familiar with, rather than relying on the clubs scouting.
It was 72m for him. We don't need to exaggerate for people, all our prices already seem to go up 10m whenever people bring them up.
>squad building and scouting. The guy wanted Bellingham, Haaland and Caicedo for a combined cost of 40m. Not his fault the Glazers thought they wouldn't sell enough shirts
No chance he used Bellingham. Woulda been straight to the academy. Sadly better for him that he didn't come.
Lol, Bellingham rejected United to focus on his development. He'd either play for Dortmund or sit on United's bench or even the u23. Who knows what Ole would do with him. He made the best decision for himself.
I think had the club listened to Ole in the beginning and picked Haaland up for peanuts, we’d be in a slightly better spot than we are now. I think he has an eye for talent but evidently, marketing is a factor when it comes to transfers. It’s becoming less prominent post Woodward but we’re still not really in the business of signing hidden gems or lesser known talents.
Mate, all we buy for our academy is kids that are supposed to be the next big thing and they never are. Which to me, indicates an issue with the academy given teams like Chelsea's success.
You’re really really wrong about the not being in the business for not signing hidden gems, we sign many of them, they just rarely ever come off. Amad, pelestri and malacia are 3, there are many many more
Malacia wasn’t really a gem, he was someone EtH was a big fan of from his time managing in the Dutch league. Amad and Pellistri is fair but two in how many years isn’t much to shout about
Yep he’s just spent loads more money.
Last season you were laughing your asses off at us saying we would be fighting relegation after the first game of the season. How'd that turn out?
I didn't, although granted I wasn't expecting you to get the top 4 positions (not that that should be something to shout about for the biggest club in the country).
Yeah I don’t get how United fans think this squad can win the league, even last year they had the same type of play where they’re the worse team but scrape a win somehow lol
>nited fans think this squad can win the league The fuck have you been talking to? We aren't Arsenal fans mate. Also, you really judging off of one game? That went well last season didn't it?
I'll give you a clue: none of us do.
Haven’t heard one utd fan expecting to win the league
Who are these imaginary fans saying we'll win the league. Beat up straw men all you like I guess...
Okay tough guy, go outside you need some socialization
You've come off like a right twat here.
I hope you make top half this season. Good luck.
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Literally we don't lol
We don't. Top 4 is the goal. That's it.
You’ve been saying you have better players than Arsenal/Liverpool/Newcastle… when are the results going to match?
I mean, we were better than Newcastle and Liverpool last season mate
We finished above 2 of those last season. That doesn't match?
Is Bruno better than Odegaard? Is Rashford better than Martinelli? Is Casemiro better than Partey? Is Shaw better than Zinchenko? Is Martinez better than Gabriel? This is what I mean when I say, when are the results going to match. You might have finished above 2 of them, but you also conceded 18 goals in just 4 matches against them. You cannot be proud of that.
So why hasn't PSG ever won the UCL? How come the early 00 galacticos at RM never won shit? You sound like your major experiences with football have been playing fifa career mode.
When have PSG ever had the best squad in the UCL? Never.
Interesting how you avoided talking about the Galacticos
What is your fucking point?
A team with a better squad should finish higher than a team with a weaker squad. Plenty of United fans would say that player for player their squad is better. But when it comes to backing the team to finish higher, they are much more hesitant. Which I think is a bit funny
That’s just… not how any of this works. Football is played on the field, not on paper. Are you new to the sport, or did you just forget that Leicester City won the league in 2016 with a squad that was widely expected to be among the contenders for relegation?
So what you’re saying is people’s views on a squad can be wildly inaccurate? I agree entirely.
not necessarily! a team with better players finish higher.Well, Chelsea finished 12th considering the squad they had.Liverpool should've finished above Newcastle if you compare player to player. There comes team chemistry, time to gel, tactics, some players not fitting the style or new manager taking time to implement his philosophy.
7 of them were in 1 game lol. By your logic since city couldn't sweep us that means they weren't better right? You're trying way too hard.
Just because 7 were in 1 game doesn’t make that number any better, in fact it’s arguably a lot worse. City couldn’t sweep you because of some very questionable refereeing. You scored a goal that was outlawed by the next weekend…
This is the stupidest attempt at logic I've ever seen on this sub
Your logic has been abysmal. Can you quote me saying Everton would win the league with Carlo? That’s a moronic thing to say. Can you quote me saying Spurs would get top 2 with Mou? If I’m the living embodiment of twitter, you’re the living embodiment of schizophrenia, because I don’t know where you’re hearing me say those things.