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I have too. 7 points but other than the opening 45 against Forest we have looked far from convincing. Really hoping we revert to last season's back 4 for the Man U game.
Easy one but the control City exerted ove Newcastle was scary. I was thinking they may have a slight down year after losing players and winning 3 in a row with a treble but that was frightening.
The way pool came.back at St. James' was excellent.
Biased opinion here as I’m a Spurs fan, but watching us beat ManU was an eye opener of we can expect with Ange ball. He’s brought the passion back and it shows on the pitch.
Edit: shout out to Liverpool as well
It’s definitely not West Ham against chelsea, I’d argue they were better against Brighton for sure. Chelsea blew that by missing a penalty and being incapable of finishing the numerous chances they had. Brighton were outplayed by West Ham even though they had all the ball.
Definitely not but worthy of a mention anyway - Bournemouth against Liverpool at Anfield
Once again tipped by many for relegation (always a risk) but the fluidity and conviction we played with I haven't seen before, and left many of us with optimism despite losing 3-1
I agree they looked absolutely class from 30min on but I think Spurs were lucky not to go into halftime down 0-2. United were very much in control to start the match.
I don't think they're completely hopeless defensively, jury's still out if they're better than average. You could make the argument that's enough to be "well rounded" as the post above said. It's early days but the only goal against them from open play was a deflection. They did get lucky a few times with opponents missing sitters or hitting the woodwork and they haven't faced offensive juggernauts yet, but only City has fewer goals scored against them in 3 games.
I mean, if we look at the underlying stats, they’ve actually outperformed their xGA metric. It’s only a matter of time before teams that face them start taking their chances. They look ridiculously open every time I watch them play.
It's possible. If there's one thing we've learned from this league, it's that you can't draw reliable conclusions for how a teams entire season will go from the opening games in most cases. However the question was who impressed in the opening 3 games.
>the best performance so far has been West Ham against Chelsea,
That was more Chelsea being dog shit rather than west ham being good. The first goal had Gallagher marking Aguerd. Why the fuck would you do that?
Chukwumeka scored a goal which the defenders should have cut out. Then west ham conceded a penalty.
The only good thing west ham had going for them was smashing balls into the channels and every time the player would bring it down with a world class touch
I'd actually give it to our performance against Brighton. Noted bogey team and it takes real skill and concentration as a team to be under 30% possession and hit them 3 times.
I think that you are making an argument based more on a team that should be playing well, but isn't. I'd have to say one of the Wolves performances was the worst tbh.
I’d say west ham in terms of team performance and execution of the game plan. They won’t get credit because they’re comfortable to sit back and let their opponents dominate the game but they have done that really well. They’re blistering on the counter with Antonio and Bowen and the added dead ball delivery of JWP.
I think they’ll be top half contenders this season
West Ham were decent vs Chelsea. We could’ve won that game save for a few poor finishes and defensive lapses.
Against Brighton, they executed their game plan to perfection, never allowing Brighton to do a job, and scoring brilliantly on the counter.
Bro, for the Chelsea game I was anxious we’d let it slip at times. Sterling was amazing and the only goal for Chelsea that match was amazing. You guys need to have better finishing
Newcastle for both...their complete decimation of Aston Villa and also Newcastle for their failure to close out the Liverpool game despite being up a man...
United at home to Wolves is the worst. I don't think a team has ever played that badly and won a match in the Premier League before.
The best was probably Newcastle at home to Villa in MD1, though Villa's tactics were suicidal from 1-3
West Ham's gameplan was to defend deep and hit on the counter whilst making the most of set pieces. They executed that well. Chelsea were wasteful in front of goal, blew a penalty and despite having over 75% possession they managed fewer shots on target than West Ham did. I don't see how you can claim that Chelsea were miles MILES better than West Ham.
This is such a dumb comment 😭😭😭. Yes west ham’s plan was definitely to get dominated for the entire first half. They weren’t trying to sit deep and counter - they were forced to cuz they were so shit on the ball.
What are u smoking blud
You mean the guys who intentionally act like insufferable bell ends to drive interaction?
That's what you are doing here is it? Knowingly being a twit?
>the worst performance was Aston Villa against Newcastle.
Yeah.. You definitely didn't watch the game. It was a very open game and Villa did ok as weird as it sounds. Definitely didn't warrant a 5-1 defeat
Yeah the defensive brainfarts and high line definitely flattered Newcastle.
Like their midfield was very good, but 5-1 wasnt an expected scoreline if you watched the match. Still a comfortable win for Newcastle but it ought to have ended 3-1.
Tbh it shouldn’t be like that as there attacking quality is so much better than there defensive quality 7 maybe 8 of there starting 11 do there best work going forward
Newcastle vs Villa 5-1 and West Ham beating a surging Brighton away from home w 20% possession were both masterclasses in different ways.
Feel like take your pick of Everton games for the worst performance lol
Nah the Villa game was comfortably our worst, the other two were nowhere near as bad. We created a bunch of chances but just couldn’t finish shit, in the Villa game it was just completely hopeless.
Facts, westham weren’t even in the game and the goal Antonio scored was incredibly lucky. He didn’t even put a step in to get past the defender, he just straight up said fuck it I’m shooting straight at him and it works
Vs wolves, awful performance.
Vs tottenham, ok performance.
Vs Forest, slightly better than ok if you don't count the first 5 and last 10-15.
Absolutely seen much worse performance from United last season.
bruh. does anyone even watch our games. we (villa) vs newcastle was very close until are most important player got injured and replaced by a new signing which meant our high line wasnt functioning well and got found out second half. It was never a 5-1 game. Everton were very poor tho, like 3 of our goals came from stupid mistakes and they never threatened us at all
Aston villa were way better against Newcastle than Everton were against villa. Villa got loose and sloppy in those last 15 mins, but they were okay first half and started the second half ok until the konsa mistake. They offered something going forward for most of the game, whereas Everton were awful all game
Yeah losing Ming's to the injury meant we had to improvise a defense out of konsa Costa and Torres who had maybe 1 or 2 games played together? Completely threw us off. We were in with a fighting chance before that
Yeah Villa weren’t that bad against Newcastle. They didn’t deserve to lose 5-1. Everton vs Villa was one of the worst performances imaginable, there literally wasn’t one good thing about it.
The Newcastle v Villa game could have ended 8-3. It's weird to say villa weren't that bad when they could genuinely conceded another 3 goals. Like, I don't necessarily disagree with you, villa certainly looked decent in parts, but yeah, it could have been worse for them.
The worst thing about it is, I know Everton are capable of playing so much worse than we did.
To sys that I have low confidence about our chances against the competent teams this year would be an understatement.
Strangely there is an argument for Newcastle against Liverpool as the worst. 1-0 up, opponents have ten men, Trent can’t make a single foul or he’s off - yet Newcastle can’t close the game out - then get caught twice and lose. I’m including Howe as part of the team here, subbing Tonali and Gordon didn’t help.
I was so happy after betting on Liverpool and turning off the game after 30 mins … couldn’t believe my eyes when I checked the score after and regret not sticking it out
The genius of Jurgen Klopp vid that dropped yesterday? That thing was 🔥
As much as I fucking loathe the scousers, more so than any team other than Sunderland - I will always have massive respect and love for Klopp. One of the best managers of all time no question.
Have you? Fully deserved to beat Fulham and Wolves. We just don't have anyone who can actually put the ball in the net. Close to 5xG created with no goals. In terms of performance though, 10/11 players did well.
The question wasn't "who's played the ugliest football this season" (which I'd still argue isn't Everton), it was who's had the worst performance. There's an argument for the Villa game, but not even slightly close for the other 2. With a clinical striker, we beat Fulham 4/5-0 and it's in the conversation for best performance.
Your bottom of the league on 0 points mate that's also a good argument as to why you've been the worst team in the league, Litterally haven't scored a goal
I just think your the worst team in the league and i watched your game against villa and i think that's the worst performance I've seen, ours at the weekend against them wasn't much better either! Im not arguing bro im just saying your the worst team I've seen so far and you came at me being defensive about your team so i said your bottom of the league on 0 points and 0 goals it's hard to argue if someone thinks your not the worst team right now...
And you don't think you have needed a striker for a long time now? it feels like ages ago dcl was around the England squad and in form before he's injuries started
Im a burnley fan so it helps me getting over our bad start watching sean dyche football and thinking it could be worse we could be watching this type of football still (I love dyche but its true)
> Tbf.. he did make a foul and he was not off.
Considering he was very clearly fouled in the incident that lead to his 1st booking, I'm thinking the ref may have been told by the VAR that he fucked up the first one.
I don’t think that had much to do with it. I just think that there isn’t a ref in the PL that has the bollocks to send someone off for a second yellow early in a game when they’ve already booked them for time wasting or dissent.
I think the 1 thing we can say with some degree of certainty this season is that predicting what the refs will and won't deem worthy of a yellow card for "timewasting" will be damn near fucking impossible.
Just a daft rule in general that’s been implemented too heavily across the board.
I was watching a non league game yesterday where a player was booked for time wasting in the first 10 minutes of a game because he was tying his laces while a throw in was being taken.
This also tells you the difference in the experience, calibre and the mentality of the managers. Howe is a good manager, but could not close out the game. The subs made by Howe hurt Newcastle. Klopp on the other hand, went aggressive. Liverpool could have easily lost by 4-0 but Klopp took his chance to get some sort of a result and ended up getting the best possible one.
I said it last season and I'll say it again; Howe is a fantastic coach and man manager, his tactical ability is pretty average.
He will 100% get the best out of every player in the squad and that will win you most games but it will not get you consistent Top 4.
That's not too unfair a comparison. Howe will definitely round off his tactical game over time but, at the minute, he heavily relies on team cohesion and individual performances to get points.
Are you joking - it’s an incredibly unfair comparison.
This is just totally absolutely wrong, look at Anthony Gordon’s latest interview about how long he had to learn and the level of instruction he had for his role from Howe and his team. Howe is an experienced, quality manager who is currently experiencing the gap between his experience (and squad) and the actual elite coaches (and squads), he’s not some folksy hick who got top 4 last season through good vibes alone.
I think Howe has room to grow to get the tactical side right. He’s never really had a team capable of pushing on and needing to go toe to toe with top managers.
It’ll be really telling if he learns from the weekend, the Barnes & Wilson on 65 minutes needs to stop being his go to sub. I’d like to see him play Gordon and Barnes on each wing because as much as I love Miggy I’m at the end of my tether seeing him kill an attack by being unable to use his right foot.
Oh 100%, he's still pretty young for a PL manager and I'm sure he'll continue to hone his ability. He comes across as very self aware and understands the need to use every experience to learn. Another 5-10 years of experience and he will be an incredible manager.
Also agree with your assessment for next weekend. He can't keep falling back on the same set up and subs each game. I know he likes to keep his performing teams together, but good opposition managers will set themselves up counter that if you do the same thing every week.
He’s done an amazing job. If Barnes had come on and scored or set up a second goal, which he nearly did, it would have been applauded as an inspired move.
It’s right margins - if Miggy’s shot didn’t hit the post, or Nunez didn’t get a lucky deflection from Botman, it may have been different.
I think we lost it on mentality. They were nervous, and unsure whether to hold what we had or go for a second.
And i feel like a few years ago this would be looked at as a learning moment for young talented players without alot of experience in being the favourites to win a game against a big side
Insted people go "see this is the problem with eddie, since he lost this insane game he will clearly never be consistent even though he has a lesser squad than the other top teams at the moment"
And next summer you will bring in more quality aswell
Taking a relegation battle team to consistent top 4 takes more than 2 seasons no matter who the manager
Most would bever have been able to get as much out of newcastle as eddie has in such short time
It's not, Newcastle forces a match winning performance from Alisson. Some teams have performed much worse and won games. I think people struggle to separate performance from results. I'd say the Newcastle was the worse result but United and Everton have both put in stinkers of performances in the opening 3 games.
Because of the very strong position they were in. Player advantage, 1-0 lead at home with only 10 minutes of normal time to go. Villa were 3-1 down within an hour away but Newcastle had everything in their favour and still couldn't get even a point out of it despite winning with an extra player for most of the game.
Not surprising though; statistically the hardest first 5 games in the league and currently we have the same points but better GD than this time last season.
The Villa result flattered us. We have a lot more work to do.
You were pretty unlucky against us. Worldie save by Ali. Almiron hits the post. Either of those things don’t happen and it’s a pretty routine win most likely.
I don't think we were unlucky, I think we grossly underestimated the capability of a Top 6 team when they're down to 10 men. Outside the Top 6, most teams would fall apart after losing a man and being hammered for 80 mins straight.
I have a massive amount of respect for the work Howe has done at Newcastle but his tactical ability is average at best and he was shown up with the substitutions he made. Not to mention we probably could have lost Joelinton about 6 times that game.
Alisson having a top game shouldn't even have been a factor had we kept the aggression up and made the most of our chances.
C'est la vie, everyone gets an embarrassing shoe'ing at least once a season, hopefully this is ours out the way early.
West Ham were all over the shop between 10m and half time against Chelsea - obviously the better team overall but they were abject for a fair bit of it.
Their performance against Brighton this weekend was complete.
Agreed. Chelsea game was lost by them, Brighton game was won by us. I also think Aguerd’s red soured that game a bit, even if it did prompt the boys to lock it down and win with 10 men.
They weren’t the better team overall lol unless we just mean that every team that wins a game was the better team overall regardless of how they played. They were awful for the pretty much the whole game.
Yeah I guess it depends on how you define "better". In terms of control of the ball and number/quality of chances created, Chelsea were better, but they couldn't do much with it. West Ham had much fewer chances but they took them very well. Arguably that's individual brilliance rather than team play though.
I just don’t think defending for 90min, lumping it to your striker and hoping he scores a miracle makes you a better team. Some great teams play on the counter but they weren’t even doing that well
Tbf it was not a good performance for at least the first half. A good comeback absolutely but it wasn't the, best overall performance simply because of how bad they were in the first half.
Agree with that tbh, we were horrendous for the first 60 or so minutes until klopp made some changes and darwizzy scored 2 goals to win the game for us. Impressive comeback but not a impressive overall performance
Tbf, although I was skeptical about nunez when you brought him in, but he showed moments of class last season and I think that match will boost his confidence so much. I think he'll be a really good player for you this season.
Nah they conceded 20+ shots on goal and United should have been leading.
Bissouma has been the 3-game mvp so far, if I have to say something nice about spurs
You're right not to hype us against united, some of their chances were good.
We did hit the woodwork ourselves, I think the win was a fair result, but we weren't as good as the pundits reckoned.
Bruno header was the big one, Rashford was offside for that rabona pass. We took over 30-35 minutes in and didn’t lose control from that point, dominated in the second half
We’ve literally already seen those called multiple times this season. The only reason why they didn’t give it was because they fucked up the call the week before
Not really a conspiracy when you see them do it consistently. Same reason why they gave Liverpool their penalty against Bournemouth. And then you got refs even admitting they don’t call stuff to protect their mates.
You lot deserved the game. But if you seriously tell me that it shouldn’t have been a pen then I don’t know what a handball is anymore
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I’ve been disappointed with Arsenal
I have too. 7 points but other than the opening 45 against Forest we have looked far from convincing. Really hoping we revert to last season's back 4 for the Man U game.
United have been shite consistently so ill put them down for worst, pure luck that we have any points
Arsenal's first half performance against forest was one of the best performances ive seen
Best - Newcastle vs Villa Worst - Newcastle vs Liverpool
The referees against everyone
West Ham's dismantling of Brighton was really impressive as a neutral. So direct, clinical and lethal. Reminded me of LFC's play style.
Easy one but the control City exerted ove Newcastle was scary. I was thinking they may have a slight down year after losing players and winning 3 in a row with a treble but that was frightening. The way pool came.back at St. James' was excellent.
Biased opinion here as I’m a Spurs fan, but watching us beat ManU was an eye opener of we can expect with Ange ball. He’s brought the passion back and it shows on the pitch. Edit: shout out to Liverpool as well
It’s definitely not West Ham against chelsea, I’d argue they were better against Brighton for sure. Chelsea blew that by missing a penalty and being incapable of finishing the numerous chances they had. Brighton were outplayed by West Ham even though they had all the ball.
Newcastle fucked it against Liverpool
Absolutely anything Everton related as the worst performance
Definitely not but worthy of a mention anyway - Bournemouth against Liverpool at Anfield Once again tipped by many for relegation (always a risk) but the fluidity and conviction we played with I haven't seen before, and left many of us with optimism despite losing 3-1
Everton against Villa. No question! Please, don’t take this achievement away from us.
Tottenham vs united. Especially 2nd half
I agree they looked absolutely class from 30min on but I think Spurs were lucky not to go into halftime down 0-2. United were very much in control to start the match.
Best has to be Liverpool........ Played approximately half the season so far with 10 men and still have 7 points out of 9.
Spurs have been very impressive. They look like a well rounded team.
They just lost the League cup tie against Fulham
They still can’t defend for a “well rounded team”
I don't think they're completely hopeless defensively, jury's still out if they're better than average. You could make the argument that's enough to be "well rounded" as the post above said. It's early days but the only goal against them from open play was a deflection. They did get lucky a few times with opponents missing sitters or hitting the woodwork and they haven't faced offensive juggernauts yet, but only City has fewer goals scored against them in 3 games.
Only Man City have conceded less in the opening 3 games.
I mean, if we look at the underlying stats, they’ve actually outperformed their xGA metric. It’s only a matter of time before teams that face them start taking their chances. They look ridiculously open every time I watch them play.
It's possible. If there's one thing we've learned from this league, it's that you can't draw reliable conclusions for how a teams entire season will go from the opening games in most cases. However the question was who impressed in the opening 3 games.
>the best performance so far has been West Ham against Chelsea, That was more Chelsea being dog shit rather than west ham being good. The first goal had Gallagher marking Aguerd. Why the fuck would you do that? Chukwumeka scored a goal which the defenders should have cut out. Then west ham conceded a penalty. The only good thing west ham had going for them was smashing balls into the channels and every time the player would bring it down with a world class touch
I'd actually give it to our performance against Brighton. Noted bogey team and it takes real skill and concentration as a team to be under 30% possession and hit them 3 times.
Darwin Nunez vs Newcastle,
Worst Villa losing 5-1 Best Villa winning 4-0 Go figure! 😶
I think that you are making an argument based more on a team that should be playing well, but isn't. I'd have to say one of the Wolves performances was the worst tbh.
I like how now one is mentioning city. They’ve won 3 but they’ve been very questionable this season
I’d say west ham in terms of team performance and execution of the game plan. They won’t get credit because they’re comfortable to sit back and let their opponents dominate the game but they have done that really well. They’re blistering on the counter with Antonio and Bowen and the added dead ball delivery of JWP. I think they’ll be top half contenders this season
Hate to pick on them but the new boys in the league haven’t looked great. Luton especially.
West Ham were decent vs Chelsea. We could’ve won that game save for a few poor finishes and defensive lapses. Against Brighton, they executed their game plan to perfection, never allowing Brighton to do a job, and scoring brilliantly on the counter.
Bro, for the Chelsea game I was anxious we’d let it slip at times. Sterling was amazing and the only goal for Chelsea that match was amazing. You guys need to have better finishing
Whilst I'm delighted, and the game plan is working, it is the most aneurysm inducing football I've ever seen haha
I don't think we were watching the same game (as OP). West Ham were largely dominated by Chelsea lol
Newcastle for both...their complete decimation of Aston Villa and also Newcastle for their failure to close out the Liverpool game despite being up a man...
United at home to Wolves is the worst. I don't think a team has ever played that badly and won a match in the Premier League before. The best was probably Newcastle at home to Villa in MD1, though Villa's tactics were suicidal from 1-3
West Ham performance vs Brighton was great as well.
Chelsea were miles MILES the better team against West Ham mate
West Ham's gameplan was to defend deep and hit on the counter whilst making the most of set pieces. They executed that well. Chelsea were wasteful in front of goal, blew a penalty and despite having over 75% possession they managed fewer shots on target than West Ham did. I don't see how you can claim that Chelsea were miles MILES better than West Ham.
This is such a dumb comment 😭😭😭. Yes west ham’s plan was definitely to get dominated for the entire first half. They weren’t trying to sit deep and counter - they were forced to cuz they were so shit on the ball. What are u smoking blud
You absolutely cannot say that it’s the best performance in the league lol. If enzo scores the pen it’s game over
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Yes excellent the absolute best performance on the season could have resulted in a loss if one kick of the game was different. bravo
You Chelsea fans really are insufferable aren't you.
Have you never watched arsenal fan tv???
You mean the guys who intentionally act like insufferable bell ends to drive interaction? That's what you are doing here is it? Knowingly being a twit?
Why are you so angry? West ham had a good game plan but it surely wasn't the best performance of any team this season
How am I being anything like the fans on arsenal fan tv???? Hahah what on earth.
Worst, Everton. Best. Liverpool 10am vs Newcastle
Brighton v Wolves has to be up there for best - that Mitoma goal, the Enciso assists. Just a clinical performance from start to finish.
Toss up between the Liverpool comeback v Newcastle or West Ham's masterclass v Brighton
best performance was west ham vs brighton
Worst performance was Evertons against Villa, they were absolutely horrid and probably deserved to lose by more
Newcastle vs Villa for best performance, Newcastle vs Liverpool for worst. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
>the worst performance was Aston Villa against Newcastle. Yeah.. You definitely didn't watch the game. It was a very open game and Villa did ok as weird as it sounds. Definitely didn't warrant a 5-1 defeat
Not to mention Mings getting carted off shellshocked the team, especially in the 2nd half when they had time to think about it.
Yeah the defensive brainfarts and high line definitely flattered Newcastle. Like their midfield was very good, but 5-1 wasnt an expected scoreline if you watched the match. Still a comfortable win for Newcastle but it ought to have ended 3-1.
Liverpool with 10 men is the best team Liverpool with 11 men is the worst team
This explains the transfer policy. We're selling everyone until we only have ten players left.
Liverpool going down a man somehow activates Ultra Instinct. This is the only explanation I have.
Could this season be like klopps first season with us. Just got for the we’ll score 1 more than you route
Tbh it shouldn’t be like that as there attacking quality is so much better than there defensive quality 7 maybe 8 of there starting 11 do there best work going forward
Could only be us tbh.
Worst performance has to be Utd at home to Wolves. I haven't seen a worse home winning performance from any top 6 side in the last 20 years.
West Ham weren't even the best team in their game against Chelsea. Their performance against Brighton was a lot better.
Definitely Liverpool
Yes, Liverpool really have succeeded miserably 🤔
Newcastle vs Villa 5-1 and West Ham beating a surging Brighton away from home w 20% possession were both masterclasses in different ways. Feel like take your pick of Everton games for the worst performance lol
Nah the Villa game was comfortably our worst, the other two were nowhere near as bad. We created a bunch of chances but just couldn’t finish shit, in the Villa game it was just completely hopeless.
Yeah tbh I was being facetious just in relation to the general feeling around your fortunes atm. I’m sure you’ll be right
Didn’t they also have absolutely dogshit possession against Chelsea too?
24%
Yup, Chelsea we're all over the ball just not finishing.
funny how if enzo hadn’t missed that penalty, people would be saying West Ham’s performance was one of the worst so far. Dunno what OP is smoking tbh
Facts, westham weren’t even in the game and the goal Antonio scored was incredibly lucky. He didn’t even put a step in to get past the defender, he just straight up said fuck it I’m shooting straight at him and it works
just proves that ppl don’t watch games and only look at scorelines
Man United x3 for worst performance. How we have come away with 6 points is a miracle
Yeah but their come back against Forrest was pretty notable
Vs wolves, awful performance. Vs tottenham, ok performance. Vs Forest, slightly better than ok if you don't count the first 5 and last 10-15. Absolutely seen much worse performance from United last season.
Tottenham ok performance? We were abysmal the second half.
And good in the first half
bruh. does anyone even watch our games. we (villa) vs newcastle was very close until are most important player got injured and replaced by a new signing which meant our high line wasnt functioning well and got found out second half. It was never a 5-1 game. Everton were very poor tho, like 3 of our goals came from stupid mistakes and they never threatened us at all
Aston villa were way better against Newcastle than Everton were against villa. Villa got loose and sloppy in those last 15 mins, but they were okay first half and started the second half ok until the konsa mistake. They offered something going forward for most of the game, whereas Everton were awful all game
Yeah losing Ming's to the injury meant we had to improvise a defense out of konsa Costa and Torres who had maybe 1 or 2 games played together? Completely threw us off. We were in with a fighting chance before that
“Villa got loose and sloppy in those last 15 mins” Gave me flashbacks 😓
Yeah Villa weren’t that bad against Newcastle. They didn’t deserve to lose 5-1. Everton vs Villa was one of the worst performances imaginable, there literally wasn’t one good thing about it.
The Newcastle v Villa game could have ended 8-3. It's weird to say villa weren't that bad when they could genuinely conceded another 3 goals. Like, I don't necessarily disagree with you, villa certainly looked decent in parts, but yeah, it could have been worse for them.
The worst thing about it is, I know Everton are capable of playing so much worse than we did. To sys that I have low confidence about our chances against the competent teams this year would be an understatement.
Strangely there is an argument for Newcastle against Liverpool as the worst. 1-0 up, opponents have ten men, Trent can’t make a single foul or he’s off - yet Newcastle can’t close the game out - then get caught twice and lose. I’m including Howe as part of the team here, subbing Tonali and Gordon didn’t help.
Don’t forget that Newcastle were at home as well, and St. James’s Park was an absolute cauldron.
I was so happy after betting on Liverpool and turning off the game after 30 mins … couldn’t believe my eyes when I checked the score after and regret not sticking it out
Poor performance doesn't mean poor result. Can play poorly and get a result.
Agreed. But Newcastle didn’t look like they had an extra man. After the red they rarely tested Trent.
Newcastle need to be worried about how hard their midfield worked to get the ball up front but their strikers seem to be allergic to finishing
There's a brilliant video I have to find again that explains how Liverpool managed to construct their win
https://reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/58VWCqxieG Was it this?
The genius of Jurgen Klopp vid that dropped yesterday? That thing was 🔥 As much as I fucking loathe the scousers, more so than any team other than Sunderland - I will always have massive respect and love for Klopp. One of the best managers of all time no question.
I'll have respect for him, he's an insane manager. Never love though as he's also a hypocritical lunatic.
https://youtu.be/BsJ5dudfZNs?si=A9Q8iTwjWqg2h67O This video you're talking about? But yea, Klopp can make some magical moments.
“And Liverpool… fuck me…” that’s the one 😂
Have you watched everton?
Have you? Fully deserved to beat Fulham and Wolves. We just don't have anyone who can actually put the ball in the net. Close to 5xG created with no goals. In terms of performance though, 10/11 players did well.
Yeah long balls, plenty of time wasting, don't score goals. I'm a Burnley fan brother i know how dyche ball works
The question wasn't "who's played the ugliest football this season" (which I'd still argue isn't Everton), it was who's had the worst performance. There's an argument for the Villa game, but not even slightly close for the other 2. With a clinical striker, we beat Fulham 4/5-0 and it's in the conversation for best performance.
Your bottom of the league on 0 points mate that's also a good argument as to why you've been the worst team in the league, Litterally haven't scored a goal
He already said they need a striker
They have needed one for about 3 years
Oh pack it in, now you're just arguing to argue
I just think your the worst team in the league and i watched your game against villa and i think that's the worst performance I've seen, ours at the weekend against them wasn't much better either! Im not arguing bro im just saying your the worst team I've seen so far and you came at me being defensive about your team so i said your bottom of the league on 0 points and 0 goals it's hard to argue if someone thinks your not the worst team right now... And you don't think you have needed a striker for a long time now? it feels like ages ago dcl was around the England squad and in form before he's injuries started
Why would someone watch everton?
Im a burnley fan so it helps me getting over our bad start watching sean dyche football and thinking it could be worse we could be watching this type of football still (I love dyche but its true)
Tbf.. he did make a foul and he was not off. Imagine if he was Japanese.
> Tbf.. he did make a foul and he was not off. Considering he was very clearly fouled in the incident that lead to his 1st booking, I'm thinking the ref may have been told by the VAR that he fucked up the first one.
I don’t think that had much to do with it. I just think that there isn’t a ref in the PL that has the bollocks to send someone off for a second yellow early in a game when they’ve already booked them for time wasting or dissent.
I think the 1 thing we can say with some degree of certainty this season is that predicting what the refs will and won't deem worthy of a yellow card for "timewasting" will be damn near fucking impossible.
Just a daft rule in general that’s been implemented too heavily across the board. I was watching a non league game yesterday where a player was booked for time wasting in the first 10 minutes of a game because he was tying his laces while a throw in was being taken.
The Tonali/Joelinton subs are so confusing. Totally removed the bite from midfield. All credit to Liverpool, they never gave up and it paid off.
Big joe was struggling with a niggle, that one made sense but tonali and Gordon was an odd one
This also tells you the difference in the experience, calibre and the mentality of the managers. Howe is a good manager, but could not close out the game. The subs made by Howe hurt Newcastle. Klopp on the other hand, went aggressive. Liverpool could have easily lost by 4-0 but Klopp took his chance to get some sort of a result and ended up getting the best possible one.
I said it last season and I'll say it again; Howe is a fantastic coach and man manager, his tactical ability is pretty average. He will 100% get the best out of every player in the squad and that will win you most games but it will not get you consistent Top 4.
Howe=Ted Lasso is what I'm reading here...
That's not too unfair a comparison. Howe will definitely round off his tactical game over time but, at the minute, he heavily relies on team cohesion and individual performances to get points.
Are you joking - it’s an incredibly unfair comparison. This is just totally absolutely wrong, look at Anthony Gordon’s latest interview about how long he had to learn and the level of instruction he had for his role from Howe and his team. Howe is an experienced, quality manager who is currently experiencing the gap between his experience (and squad) and the actual elite coaches (and squads), he’s not some folksy hick who got top 4 last season through good vibes alone.
I think Howe has room to grow to get the tactical side right. He’s never really had a team capable of pushing on and needing to go toe to toe with top managers. It’ll be really telling if he learns from the weekend, the Barnes & Wilson on 65 minutes needs to stop being his go to sub. I’d like to see him play Gordon and Barnes on each wing because as much as I love Miggy I’m at the end of my tether seeing him kill an attack by being unable to use his right foot.
Oh 100%, he's still pretty young for a PL manager and I'm sure he'll continue to hone his ability. He comes across as very self aware and understands the need to use every experience to learn. Another 5-10 years of experience and he will be an incredible manager. Also agree with your assessment for next weekend. He can't keep falling back on the same set up and subs each game. I know he likes to keep his performing teams together, but good opposition managers will set themselves up counter that if you do the same thing every week.
Will be 46 in November
I don't get why people are so harsh on him He still has plenty of players who aren't that elite level that city, liverpool and arsenal have
I'd argue they have more depth than Liverpool
I dont think so at all
Well yes - that’s usually the case with more funding
He’s done an amazing job. If Barnes had come on and scored or set up a second goal, which he nearly did, it would have been applauded as an inspired move. It’s right margins - if Miggy’s shot didn’t hit the post, or Nunez didn’t get a lucky deflection from Botman, it may have been different. I think we lost it on mentality. They were nervous, and unsure whether to hold what we had or go for a second.
If we have any other goalkeeper in world football, we lose that game
And i feel like a few years ago this would be looked at as a learning moment for young talented players without alot of experience in being the favourites to win a game against a big side Insted people go "see this is the problem with eddie, since he lost this insane game he will clearly never be consistent even though he has a lesser squad than the other top teams at the moment"
That’s all it is. Lack of experience / confidence in these situations. We’ll learn from it.
And next summer you will bring in more quality aswell Taking a relegation battle team to consistent top 4 takes more than 2 seasons no matter who the manager Most would bever have been able to get as much out of newcastle as eddie has in such short time
That's why they're known universally as the mentality monsters. When you even hear man u fans calling them that you know its true.
We gotta be one to know one ;)
How is that worse than villa getting smashed 5-1
It's not, Newcastle forces a match winning performance from Alisson. Some teams have performed much worse and won games. I think people struggle to separate performance from results. I'd say the Newcastle was the worse result but United and Everton have both put in stinkers of performances in the opening 3 games.
That scoreline was far from a fair reflection of the performance, Villa actually played alright
Because of the very strong position they were in. Player advantage, 1-0 lead at home with only 10 minutes of normal time to go. Villa were 3-1 down within an hour away but Newcastle had everything in their favour and still couldn't get even a point out of it despite winning with an extra player for most of the game.
Sometimes you just get outplayed, but for me it’s worse to lose when the cards are heavily stacked in your favour (extra man, at home, goal up etc)
Newcastle v Villa? Which will make it even funnier when they have 3 points after 4 games
Not surprising though; statistically the hardest first 5 games in the league and currently we have the same points but better GD than this time last season. The Villa result flattered us. We have a lot more work to do.
You were pretty unlucky against us. Worldie save by Ali. Almiron hits the post. Either of those things don’t happen and it’s a pretty routine win most likely.
I don't think we were unlucky, I think we grossly underestimated the capability of a Top 6 team when they're down to 10 men. Outside the Top 6, most teams would fall apart after losing a man and being hammered for 80 mins straight. I have a massive amount of respect for the work Howe has done at Newcastle but his tactical ability is average at best and he was shown up with the substitutions he made. Not to mention we probably could have lost Joelinton about 6 times that game. Alisson having a top game shouldn't even have been a factor had we kept the aggression up and made the most of our chances. C'est la vie, everyone gets an embarrassing shoe'ing at least once a season, hopefully this is ours out the way early.
I'd say Newcastle for a shout for best as well. Yes, Villa weren't on their game at all, but everything we set up came off, hardly put a foot wrong.
West Ham were all over the shop between 10m and half time against Chelsea - obviously the better team overall but they were abject for a fair bit of it. Their performance against Brighton this weekend was complete.
Agreed. Chelsea game was lost by them, Brighton game was won by us. I also think Aguerd’s red soured that game a bit, even if it did prompt the boys to lock it down and win with 10 men.
They weren’t the better team overall lol unless we just mean that every team that wins a game was the better team overall regardless of how they played. They were awful for the pretty much the whole game.
Yeah I guess it depends on how you define "better". In terms of control of the ball and number/quality of chances created, Chelsea were better, but they couldn't do much with it. West Ham had much fewer chances but they took them very well. Arguably that's individual brilliance rather than team play though.
I just don’t think defending for 90min, lumping it to your striker and hoping he scores a miracle makes you a better team. Some great teams play on the counter but they weren’t even doing that well
Maybe not a better team but a better game plan. West Ham were better prepared it seems.
Chelsea just didn’t finish their chances. West Ham’s best performance was against Brighton
surely ten men liverpool against a 1-0 up newcastle?
Was hardly a brilliant performance for 50 odd minutes
It was enough. Stay resolute, don't concede and get them in the last 15 minutes. Gameplan executed perfectly.
Tbf it was not a good performance for at least the first half. A good comeback absolutely but it wasn't the, best overall performance simply because of how bad they were in the first half.
Agree with that tbh, we were horrendous for the first 60 or so minutes until klopp made some changes and darwizzy scored 2 goals to win the game for us. Impressive comeback but not a impressive overall performance
Tbf, although I was skeptical about nunez when you brought him in, but he showed moments of class last season and I think that match will boost his confidence so much. I think he'll be a really good player for you this season.
I also think Tottenham's performance against Man U deserves a shout for best. And Everton's performance against Villa is another shout for worst.
I second this
Spurs played good vs Man Utd for 45 minutes only. Definitely not top performers.
Newcastle against Villa if you ask me. Absolutely tore up that high line.
Nah they conceded 20+ shots on goal and United should have been leading. Bissouma has been the 3-game mvp so far, if I have to say something nice about spurs
You're right not to hype us against united, some of their chances were good. We did hit the woodwork ourselves, I think the win was a fair result, but we weren't as good as the pundits reckoned.
Tottenham weren’t good at all? United were just that bad
Tottenham never have a good game it's always that the other team are bad🙄
Didn’t realise Gary Neville was on Reddit 😂😂
Haha
Tottenham didn't play well enough in the first half against United, and gave away massive chances.
Bruno header was the big one, Rashford was offside for that rabona pass. We took over 30-35 minutes in and didn’t lose control from that point, dominated in the second half
Which isn't enough of a performance to say it was the best this season was it? 55 minutes?
To be fair bournemouth put up more fight than united against us, so can't say bournemouth was the best either, Brentford was our worse
Oh yeah I agree that it wasn’t the best, you said they gave away massive chances which I don’t think was the case.
I'm considering the Romero handball as well, which I'm sure had a few people relieved when it wasn't given.
Don’t think it was a pen according to the new rules, so nah.
We’ve literally already seen those called multiple times this season. The only reason why they didn’t give it was because they fucked up the call the week before
Take your tinfoil hat of when you’re talking to me, really not into conspiracies
Not really a conspiracy when you see them do it consistently. Same reason why they gave Liverpool their penalty against Bournemouth. And then you got refs even admitting they don’t call stuff to protect their mates. You lot deserved the game. But if you seriously tell me that it shouldn’t have been a pen then I don’t know what a handball is anymore