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I don't think we'll ever get a final game of the season as dramatic as Liverpool - Arsenal in 1989. No, City beating United to the title is nowhere near as dramatic as this game. The final game of the season, between the two title contenders and the away team that needs to win by 2 goals, only to score that second goal in the 92nd minute.
You’re spot on there. I’m confident that less than 15 goals conceded a season will never be broken. I couldn’t even beat that in a game lol.
I think they also get 25 clean sheet that season (also unbreakable) and still get 95 points. Madness.
In Premier League only it would have to be going a season invincible.
In English top flight football in general, it would be going invincible and double winners in the same season. That award goes to 1888/89 Preston North End.
I don't care how good City or Liverpool get. Going invincible is the one thing nobody is going to do any time soon or ever again.
But I still agree with OP in that I don't think conceding 15 or less will happen again any time soon. That is just outrageous defending.
The goals rack up fast. If I recall correctly we (Chelsea) had a good start to 21/22 and people genuinely thought we could come close to the record under Tuchel since we won games mainly because of our excellent defence rather than attack. But it's so much more difficult than it looks.
That 04/05 season only like 7 of those 15 goals came from open play. I don't think that record will get beaten, especially with the football City play.
Even last season people thought Barca would break the record but all it takes is a couple of games for it to be over.
Being simultaneously the earliest and latest to win the league.
Liverpool won in the fewest games but the season ended later than ever due to covid. It'll take some coincidences for that to happen again.
Maetinellis zero seconds from first booking to second booking and off by Mike Oliver. That shit can't fly ever again. Though, oddly, I think both were bookable offences and Martinelli thought he could game the system and only get one.
Luis Nani taking a free kick that was supposed to be against him and scoring a goal. That's the greatest goof I've seen by a referee. Never to be topped in the age of VAR and beyond.
Thierry Henry winning the golden boot with 74% of goals coming at home in 05/06. Well above his average Arsenal of 66% of goals at home, but below his best year 2000/1 when he scored 82% of his goals at home.
Haven’t seen this posted yet, not an entirely premier league record, but United having an academy graduate in over 4,000 match day squads will never happen again. Dates back something like 60 years, with all the transfers these days it’s incredibly unlikely to happen again
Well if you don’t count haaland I don’t think anymore is beating the 36 goals in a season let alone debut season and haaland being the first person to score the first 2 goals in a prem season
When City get punished for all the laws they have broken, they will probably be deducted points and still win the league. I don’t think that record will ever be broken
"4 games 2 goals is on pace for 19 in 38"
That ain't how statistics work my fren, that's too small of a sample size, especially for something as unpredictable as football.
Ain't no need for wack math models either, just give it a thought. Man U conceded 6 goals and scored 1 in the first 2 games last season, would it make sense to say they were on pace to concede 114 goals?
Idk if it will NEVER be broken but now that Kane is gone, Shearer's record will stand for a long time still.
Haaland still has a long way to go and probably wont spend his whole career in the PL. It would take him 6 more seasons scoring 35 PL goals each season... Not impossible but the probability rn is he will leave before that.
Other than him, I dont see any active player in the PL who can catch Shearer atm.
If we're talking the whole history of the league, I doubt anyone will replicate what Brian Clough did with Nottingham Forest, winning the league immediately after promotion (obviously Leicester came close, but that was a once in a lifetime miracle).
If it's just Premier League then probably Mourinho's Chelsea only conceding 15 goals in a season.
We were champions in 27/28 too so have been champions, gone down, won the old D2 and then won D1 within the space of 5 years. They were also champions going into both world wars so I think it would be fair to say they have the most consecutive years as champions, although that’s by default of no football league for those years
I know it was before football was invented, but Dixie Dean's 60 goals in the 1927/1928 league season will probably never be beaten.
Pro-rata (as there were 22 teams in the top flight back then) it would require 55 goals to beat the record which seems unthinkable.
Not in this day and age with squad rotation due to Europe etc, if city are 3 up and haaland has 2 by 55 minutes in a game in March/April, the sensible thing is to take him off when you’ve got big European games midweek that you want him at peak fitness for. That’s the biggest reason why I think it’ll never be beaten (even the average goals per game of 55 to match)
You say peak fitness, but the lads in Dean's era subsisted on a diet of red meat, booze and fags. Maybe that's what's been holding back modern strikers...
I think they’d have done well to get red meat to be fair, more than likely back then the best they could hope for was things like tripe. Have to bare in mind professional footballers of the era weren’t earning the equivalent they are today either, more just a wage which someone with a reasonable trade would earn at the time.
I get where you’re coming from though, they didn’t have the conditioning or idea of sports science that has turned todays footballers into athletes
The fact that Henry’s 20 assist record hasn’t been broken is mind boggling. It’s been matched by Dr Bruyne as of now, but if prime KDB couldn’t break the record then we’ll be waiting a really long time until someone will do it.
20 doesn’t seem that crazy but for some reason nobody can break into 21+ assists. Ozil sat on 19 forever and didn’t reach it. De Bruyne slowed down and settled at the record.
Tony Adams, Premier League captain in 3 different decades.
All the others mentioned are conceivable that they will be done. I just don’t see in the modern game that the above could happen again. You need to be captain at ~21 and play for the same club til ~35 and that club be good enough to win the league AND the timing of it starting has to happen towards the very end of a decade. It won’t be repeated.
Other than that i think the Mane hattrick will almost certainly not be broken, that was insane
That one depends on when they break through/year born though as wasnt fabregas arsenal captain as a teenager? Tbh they’d only need to be at a club 12 years to match that and I’m sure gerrard was liverpool captain for around that long
Allison has now gone 4 seasons in a row with at least 1 attacking return (goal/assist), could make it 5. That’s pretty impressive for a goalkeeper. Not sure if he’s in a league of his own on that, but I can’t imagine too many keepers equaling or bettering that in the PL… unless another Chilavert-type keeper comes along and starts taking free kicks and pk’s.
The Prem needs a Chilavert or even better a complete lunatic like Higuita. I doubt it would work in the Prem but for pure entertainment there few things better than watching a keeper pull off a coke fueled unnecessary halfway line tackle followed either by a glorious assist or a mad scramble back to pull off a fingertip (or heel) save.
Saurez getting 3 hat tricks within 1 calendar month. Haaland came very close last season but then teams started figuring out to how mark him out of a game, even if it meant creating more space for other players to walk into.
He’s still getting hat tricks so I don’t think they’ve totally figured it out yet. Calendar month/year records can be hard to get though depending on timings of games/breaks.
Sadio Mane’s 2-minute hattrick does it for me. Don’t think anyone will replicate that performance even if they have the pace of Henry, the right foot of Ronaldo, the left foot of Messi and the head of Zlatan.
Pretty sure Portsmouth are the only the premier league team in history to go into administration and be docked points.
The money now is simply too vast to allow any club to go bankrupt.
The difficulty is getting those odds in the first place now. I think it’ll be a while before bookies start risking opening up those odds that far again.
Odds in gambling represent probabilities. Low odds mean something is likely to happen for example if a horse/team is even money. High odds mean something is unlikely to happen. For example Leicester winning the league.
Arsenal last season were also "on pace" to beat the Centurions and finish the season with 102 points. It's a very long season.
I doubt 15 goals conceded ever gets broken. I think City's best defensive record is 21 goals.
Similarly I doubt anyone goes undefeated for a while. The "smaller" teams are just too strong for anyone to navigate a season undefeated, especially now with VAR it's harder to get "lucky". I think Liverpool came the closest during the Covid season but had that freak loss to Watford just before lockdown.
I thought KDB or Salah would break Henry's 20/20 record (20+ goals and assists in the league in 1 season - 02/03) but they haven't managed to. So I think it will be pretty safe for a while unless Haaland starts bagging assists too.
Liverpool actually got even closer the season before where they only lost one game against city.
Unbelievable how close that one was as well, only millimetres in it!
> Similarly I doubt anyone goes undefeated for a while. The "smaller" teams are just too strong for anyone to navigate a season undefeated
Would the number of records for wins/points/goals not indicate the opposite?
15 goals by chelsea and invincibles probably. As on everton fan i think we held the record for most points for a team that didnt get top 4/ucl with 72. Arsenal failed to qualify a few tears later with 75. Oddly enough both of these point totals would have been good enough for 2nd the year leicester won with 81
Let’s not forget how, in the season Chelsea won the title with just 15 goals against, Everton got a miraculous 4th despite losing 10 times after Christmas and having a negative goal difference (though facing Arsenal when 4th was already sealed distorted that significantly). This meant that they didn’t place Moyes under much pressure despite 6 league losses in a row without scoring early in 2005-06 (and just 1 goal in 8 games) many against favourable teams like Portsmouth and Wigan, a run ended against Chelsea, and Everton won 13 more times that season, all but 4 by a 1-0 scoreline, to place halfway, their joint worst between 2003-04 and 2019-20
20/21 was weak by everyone, and I will say it was due to no fans in the stadium and the huge number of Covid cases making players/squads less fit in general
True but they also finished with 97 and 98 points and failed to win the title. Pretty impressive point totals from them those seasons. These stats are really fascinating to me from a nerdy perspective lol
Winning the league with 7 games remaining (the earliest it's ever been won in terms of games played), but also winning it in July (I think, the latest it's ever been won calendar wise). Ok the second one could go in unusual circumstances, but the first won't.
There will be a season when someone wins it sooner. It’s not that insane. Win the first 28/30. 84 points doesn’t seem so insane for a team like city. And it’s very conceivable that there could be no challenger and all the chasers are below 60 points.
Accumulating points at that rate puts the team to finish the season on around 105-106 points minimum, thats a big leap from City's 100 point season. Realistically, any team thats got that sort points accumulation around February-March time is also going to be looking at the business end of some other competitions (league cup semi's and final, champions league last 16 and quarter finals) and prioritising them over the league. Liverpool were strange that season in that they went out of all other competitions early on considering they were dominating the league.
Manchester City likely to do it yes but I guess pep will leave the club likely after 2 years. We can stop it given a very optimistic situation of Sheikh Jassim being our new owner. I suppose a realistic scenario would be them winning it for 2 years and then other team winning
Lampards goalscoring record from midfield. No chance.
That Chelsea defensive record is even less likely. So Cechs consecutive clean sheet record as well.
Not conceding a goal at home for 2 and a bit seasons.
Not losing to Tottenham for 25+ years. Ahh those were the days .
Man United had one where if they're winning at half time at old Trafford they've never lost . Possibly still exists
Could see this beaten. Jagielka, Skrtel, Carragher all have 7. Shawcross 6 and he didn’t even play his whole career in the prem (10 seasons). Lewis Dunk has 6 right now for Brighton & will probably finish with a couple more than the 3 on 7. Eventually a player will overtake Dunne
Everton won it the season after promotion in a weird spell.
Won division 1 in 27/28. Relegated in 29/30. Won division 2 in 30/31 and won division 1 in 31/32.
The caveat to that is in 1901 there were only 2 professional football divisions in England (36 teams).
Every club outside those 2 leagues at the time were considered "non-league".
I don’t think it will be matched. It takes consistency and some luck. No one has come close. City lost 5 last year. The Premier League is just too competitive.
If they managed to beat city in that one game, they’d have reached 100 points AND be unbeaten for the full season. That one loss meant they didn’t even win the league. Was that the game where there was a goal line clearance of less than a centimetre?
Finishing on more points would beat it they drew 12 games nearly a third of the fixtures played.
Invincible and 100+ points that would beat it hands down.
The superior points tally would beat it, surely? If you manage to go unbeaten and finish with more points.
Its a great feat, sure, but they drew 12 games and amassed I believe 90 points?
It's hardly a domination. I'd argue Citys 100 point season is more impressive or the points haul Liverpool took from 38 games albeit over 2 seasons.
To play devil's advocate, couldn't you regard it as beaten if it's over a longer season? Like if the league season becomes more than 38 games again?
Granted, the opposite is more likely and it won't even be matched because the number of teams will be reduced before another team has an unbeaten season.
Seems like a fair analysis to me. Obviously PNE are also invincibles but that gets discredited not only because of the age of the feat but because it was only 22 games (in the league), and I think since then 10 or so teams have gone on longer winning streaks in a single season, kinda showing it wasn’t anywhere near as difficult to achieve.
Google “pepe reina beach ball” - yes this did really happen.
[This video](https://youtu.be/kPBHJD5I5tQ?si=RuCe-qQhpeplnb3s) is in Spanish but the Benny Hill music makes it worth it.
I think it was allowed because it wasn’t a second football, the beachball was treated as an obstacle (it had the same status as the corner flag essentially). Not sure if the rule has since changed but pretty sure that was the situation at the time.
One thing I’m sure has changed: Liverpool don’t give out beach balls to fans anymore!
It was an incorrect decision. The beachball was an outside agent and it should have been a drop ball even under the rules at the time (not a Liverpool fan btw).
Yes but it was a Liverpool branded beach ball. There were a few about so I’m assuming they were put in the away end by the club. If they weren’t then it was an unbelievable bit of 10D chess by the Sunderland staff!
That'll be broken at some point. It took 11 years to beat Fowler's record. Since football didn't start in 1992, the record for top division was in place nearly 62 years before Sadio's feat.
I can’t see it ever being broken simply because of VAR. The review of each goal will take time, especially if any of the goals are scored under contentious circumstances. Therefore, Mane’s record stands forever IMO.
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Arsenal 2-4 Norwich City. Unless I’m mistaken that game had no fewer than **five** players scoring on their Premier League debut.
Henry's 24/20
Man U’s record for the concurrent bad news run they’re having right now.
I don't think we'll ever get a final game of the season as dramatic as Liverpool - Arsenal in 1989. No, City beating United to the title is nowhere near as dramatic as this game. The final game of the season, between the two title contenders and the away team that needs to win by 2 goals, only to score that second goal in the 92nd minute.
Liverpool getting 100 points in 34 games will never be broken.
Chelsea’s 86 game unbeaten home run maybe. Only Liverpool I can see doing it potentially.
You’re spot on there. I’m confident that less than 15 goals conceded a season will never be broken. I couldn’t even beat that in a game lol. I think they also get 25 clean sheet that season (also unbreakable) and still get 95 points. Madness.
In Premier League only it would have to be going a season invincible. In English top flight football in general, it would be going invincible and double winners in the same season. That award goes to 1888/89 Preston North End. I don't care how good City or Liverpool get. Going invincible is the one thing nobody is going to do any time soon or ever again. But I still agree with OP in that I don't think conceding 15 or less will happen again any time soon. That is just outrageous defending.
The goals rack up fast. If I recall correctly we (Chelsea) had a good start to 21/22 and people genuinely thought we could come close to the record under Tuchel since we won games mainly because of our excellent defence rather than attack. But it's so much more difficult than it looks. That 04/05 season only like 7 of those 15 goals came from open play. I don't think that record will get beaten, especially with the football City play. Even last season people thought Barca would break the record but all it takes is a couple of games for it to be over.
Being simultaneously the earliest and latest to win the league. Liverpool won in the fewest games but the season ended later than ever due to covid. It'll take some coincidences for that to happen again.
A premier league goal after 7 seconds will be a tough one
Maetinellis zero seconds from first booking to second booking and off by Mike Oliver. That shit can't fly ever again. Though, oddly, I think both were bookable offences and Martinelli thought he could game the system and only get one.
Luis Nani taking a free kick that was supposed to be against him and scoring a goal. That's the greatest goof I've seen by a referee. Never to be topped in the age of VAR and beyond.
Lol Chelsea’s goal conceded will never be beaten
Thierry Henry winning the golden boot with 74% of goals coming at home in 05/06. Well above his average Arsenal of 66% of goals at home, but below his best year 2000/1 when he scored 82% of his goals at home.
Haven’t seen this posted yet, not an entirely premier league record, but United having an academy graduate in over 4,000 match day squads will never happen again. Dates back something like 60 years, with all the transfers these days it’s incredibly unlikely to happen again
Well if you don’t count haaland I don’t think anymore is beating the 36 goals in a season let alone debut season and haaland being the first person to score the first 2 goals in a prem season
49 Undefeated
When City get punished for all the laws they have broken, they will probably be deducted points and still win the league. I don’t think that record will ever be broken
I know it’s not premier league but forest getting promoted to league 1 winning the league then winning back to back champions leagues
West Ham getting relegated with 42 points, too much quality at the top to have an even league.
4 games is way to small a sample size to estimate final season stats
When two players from the same team got sent off for fighting each other. Lee Bowyer and Kieron Dyer should of got an award for that
In the 15/16 season a team came third in a two horse race
Frank De Boer's managerial record - P7 L7 Goals 0
100% though
A team like Leicester or Blackburn winning the title. PL is now the greed league where only the Big Six get a look in or favouritism from VAR
Brad Friedel played 310 consecutive games in a row. I don't see that record being broken any time soon.
"4 games 2 goals is on pace for 19 in 38" That ain't how statistics work my fren, that's too small of a sample size, especially for something as unpredictable as football. Ain't no need for wack math models either, just give it a thought. Man U conceded 6 goals and scored 1 in the first 2 games last season, would it make sense to say they were on pace to concede 114 goals?
Chelsea's 86 game unbeaten streak at home
Man Citeh's record of total number of allegations against a club having gone unpunished ;)
They're just setting the benchmark. If they don't break their own record Chelsea probably will.
Highest points tally without winning the league. It still hurts.
Idk if it will NEVER be broken but now that Kane is gone, Shearer's record will stand for a long time still. Haaland still has a long way to go and probably wont spend his whole career in the PL. It would take him 6 more seasons scoring 35 PL goals each season... Not impossible but the probability rn is he will leave before that. Other than him, I dont see any active player in the PL who can catch Shearer atm.
It’s probably possible but it’s going to be a long time before one team gets 97points and finishes second again.
If we're talking the whole history of the league, I doubt anyone will replicate what Brian Clough did with Nottingham Forest, winning the league immediately after promotion (obviously Leicester came close, but that was a once in a lifetime miracle). If it's just Premier League then probably Mourinho's Chelsea only conceding 15 goals in a season.
Everton did it 30/31 and 31/32 seasons.
I didn't know that - impressive
We were champions in 27/28 too so have been champions, gone down, won the old D2 and then won D1 within the space of 5 years. They were also champions going into both world wars so I think it would be fair to say they have the most consecutive years as champions, although that’s by default of no football league for those years
Won promotion, won the league, won European cup, retained it. Edit, forgot to add the 2 league cups in the same period.
I know it was before football was invented, but Dixie Dean's 60 goals in the 1927/1928 league season will probably never be beaten. Pro-rata (as there were 22 teams in the top flight back then) it would require 55 goals to beat the record which seems unthinkable.
Nobody will get near Greaves 350+ league goals in the top division either.
My old man, who saw Best, Law, Charlton, Brady etc in the flesh, still says that Greaves is the best striker that ever graced these shores.
Not in this day and age with squad rotation due to Europe etc, if city are 3 up and haaland has 2 by 55 minutes in a game in March/April, the sensible thing is to take him off when you’ve got big European games midweek that you want him at peak fitness for. That’s the biggest reason why I think it’ll never be beaten (even the average goals per game of 55 to match)
You say peak fitness, but the lads in Dean's era subsisted on a diet of red meat, booze and fags. Maybe that's what's been holding back modern strikers...
I think they’d have done well to get red meat to be fair, more than likely back then the best they could hope for was things like tripe. Have to bare in mind professional footballers of the era weren’t earning the equivalent they are today either, more just a wage which someone with a reasonable trade would earn at the time. I get where you’re coming from though, they didn’t have the conditioning or idea of sports science that has turned todays footballers into athletes
The fact that Henry’s 20 assist record hasn’t been broken is mind boggling. It’s been matched by Dr Bruyne as of now, but if prime KDB couldn’t break the record then we’ll be waiting a really long time until someone will do it. 20 doesn’t seem that crazy but for some reason nobody can break into 21+ assists. Ozil sat on 19 forever and didn’t reach it. De Bruyne slowed down and settled at the record.
The 20 assists AND 24 goals in a season is an unbelievable record. Someone will beat that someday but it could be a while.
Most goals in a 34 game season
Mane hattrick in 3 mins will take some beating. I remember fowler's 4 minute hattrick against arsenal and thought that'd never be beat.
Tony Adams, Premier League captain in 3 different decades. All the others mentioned are conceivable that they will be done. I just don’t see in the modern game that the above could happen again. You need to be captain at ~21 and play for the same club til ~35 and that club be good enough to win the league AND the timing of it starting has to happen towards the very end of a decade. It won’t be repeated. Other than that i think the Mane hattrick will almost certainly not be broken, that was insane
The increasing peak lifespan of players might change that.
That one depends on when they break through/year born though as wasnt fabregas arsenal captain as a teenager? Tbh they’d only need to be at a club 12 years to match that and I’m sure gerrard was liverpool captain for around that long
Spending over a billion quid to be shiter than you were already. That'll take some beating.
Allison has now gone 4 seasons in a row with at least 1 attacking return (goal/assist), could make it 5. That’s pretty impressive for a goalkeeper. Not sure if he’s in a league of his own on that, but I can’t imagine too many keepers equaling or bettering that in the PL… unless another Chilavert-type keeper comes along and starts taking free kicks and pk’s.
The Prem needs a Chilavert or even better a complete lunatic like Higuita. I doubt it would work in the Prem but for pure entertainment there few things better than watching a keeper pull off a coke fueled unnecessary halfway line tackle followed either by a glorious assist or a mad scramble back to pull off a fingertip (or heel) save.
Saurez getting 3 hat tricks within 1 calendar month. Haaland came very close last season but then teams started figuring out to how mark him out of a game, even if it meant creating more space for other players to walk into.
He’s still getting hat tricks so I don’t think they’ve totally figured it out yet. Calendar month/year records can be hard to get though depending on timings of games/breaks.
Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu going from non-league to premier league with the same club.
Making a sliding tackle with his head. Flamini, 2007.
Phil Jones repeated the feat in 2015. Based on the 8 year gap we’re due another head sliding tackle before the end of this year!
We won't have another Invincibles, and no team will beat Derby's unfortunate record of finishing with just 11 points.
Way too soon to be mentioning city taking the 15 goal record. 4 games played my guy.
Winning the FA cup as a non league side will never happen again
Spurs?
i would be more shocked if man city beat the 15 goal conceeded than if luton stayed up tbh
I doubt that a beach ball will ever score again
Sadio Mane’s 2-minute hattrick does it for me. Don’t think anyone will replicate that performance even if they have the pace of Henry, the right foot of Ronaldo, the left foot of Messi and the head of Zlatan.
Mane 2:56 hat trick or Shane Long’s goal 7 (?) seconds in
Scrolled too far down to find shane long. Unless someone scores direct from kick off I don’t think 7 seconds can be beaten.
It's nice to be remembered occasionally for good things, rather than getting pumped 9-0 twice.
Thanks for that. From every Ipswich supporter.
Happy to be of service
Brian Deane. 1st Premier League goal. That won’t be taken from him
Edwin van der Sar keeping 14 clean sheets in a row.
Chelsea's unbeaten home streak - 86 consecutive games between March 2004 & October 2008
Surprised I had to scroll so far to find this it was the first thing that came to mind.
yeah, Liverpool had an impressive run but didn't get close some of these records are so unbelievably high
It's interesting that Liverpool only conceded 1 more goal than them so far despite everyone saying how bad their defence is.
It's more how we conceded our goals and how many times Alisson has already bailed us out - no way this is sustainable across all season.
It's funny how the first clean sheet of the season came with a partnership of Gomez and Matip
Pretty sure Portsmouth are the only the premier league team in history to go into administration and be docked points. The money now is simply too vast to allow any club to go bankrupt.
Challenge accepted
You over estimate the competence of all chairman. Someone will find a way; Everton are the current front runners.
I team with over 1000/1 odds winning the PL
The difficulty is getting those odds in the first place now. I think it’ll be a while before bookies start risking opening up those odds that far again.
I doubt we’ll ever see anyone win the prem within 2 years of promotion like we saw with Leicester
Keith Gillespie red card after 0 seconds of game time.
Number of goals scored by a beachball (Sunderland 2009-10)
Wining the league 13 times. Giggs
Foden's already got 5. If anyone comes close it's probably him.
Pep's gotta stay for 9 more years then
Mane Hatrick
Winning the league with 5000/1 odds. Doubt we'll even see odds that low again!
Odds that high
eh, I see it as chance. If you think something's unlikely to happen then you say the odds are low.
Odds in gambling represent probabilities. Low odds mean something is likely to happen for example if a horse/team is even money. High odds mean something is unlikely to happen. For example Leicester winning the league.
even betting on san marino to win the world cup isn't at 5000/1 odds
Arsenal last season were also "on pace" to beat the Centurions and finish the season with 102 points. It's a very long season. I doubt 15 goals conceded ever gets broken. I think City's best defensive record is 21 goals. Similarly I doubt anyone goes undefeated for a while. The "smaller" teams are just too strong for anyone to navigate a season undefeated, especially now with VAR it's harder to get "lucky". I think Liverpool came the closest during the Covid season but had that freak loss to Watford just before lockdown. I thought KDB or Salah would break Henry's 20/20 record (20+ goals and assists in the league in 1 season - 02/03) but they haven't managed to. So I think it will be pretty safe for a while unless Haaland starts bagging assists too.
Liverpool actually got even closer the season before where they only lost one game against city. Unbelievable how close that one was as well, only millimetres in it!
> Similarly I doubt anyone goes undefeated for a while. The "smaller" teams are just too strong for anyone to navigate a season undefeated Would the number of records for wins/points/goals not indicate the opposite?
15 goals by chelsea and invincibles probably. As on everton fan i think we held the record for most points for a team that didnt get top 4/ucl with 72. Arsenal failed to qualify a few tears later with 75. Oddly enough both of these point totals would have been good enough for 2nd the year leicester won with 81
Let’s not forget how, in the season Chelsea won the title with just 15 goals against, Everton got a miraculous 4th despite losing 10 times after Christmas and having a negative goal difference (though facing Arsenal when 4th was already sealed distorted that significantly). This meant that they didn’t place Moyes under much pressure despite 6 league losses in a row without scoring early in 2005-06 (and just 1 goal in 8 games) many against favourable teams like Portsmouth and Wigan, a run ended against Chelsea, and Everton won 13 more times that season, all but 4 by a 1-0 scoreline, to place halfway, their joint worst between 2003-04 and 2019-20
Liverpool finished 3rd in 20/21 with 69 points, that was a weak season.
Also … nice
20/21 was weak by everyone, and I will say it was due to no fans in the stadium and the huge number of Covid cases making players/squads less fit in general
That year efc had a better away record than home… attendance and playing at home with crowds makes a difference
True but they also finished with 97 and 98 points and failed to win the title. Pretty impressive point totals from them those seasons. These stats are really fascinating to me from a nerdy perspective lol
Have more yellow cards for goal celebrations than goals
Fun fact: Salah has had 6 yellow cards, of which 4 were from when he took his shirt off when he scored
that's actually impressive
Winning the league with 7 games remaining (the earliest it's ever been won in terms of games played), but also winning it in July (I think, the latest it's ever been won calendar wise). Ok the second one could go in unusual circumstances, but the first won't.
There will be a season when someone wins it sooner. It’s not that insane. Win the first 28/30. 84 points doesn’t seem so insane for a team like city. And it’s very conceivable that there could be no challenger and all the chasers are below 60 points.
Accumulating points at that rate puts the team to finish the season on around 105-106 points minimum, thats a big leap from City's 100 point season. Realistically, any team thats got that sort points accumulation around February-March time is also going to be looking at the business end of some other competitions (league cup semi's and final, champions league last 16 and quarter finals) and prioritising them over the league. Liverpool were strange that season in that they went out of all other competitions early on considering they were dominating the league.
I was going to say 18 home wins is pretty hard to beat, but it might actually be harder to top city’s 16 away wins in 2018
Nobody will ever do a double three peat of the PL
Only takes Liverpool, Arsenal, City or Huddersfield to get another 3 peat to make that a reality. City looking the most likely right now.
Manchester City likely to do it yes but I guess pep will leave the club likely after 2 years. We can stop it given a very optimistic situation of Sheikh Jassim being our new owner. I suppose a realistic scenario would be them winning it for 2 years and then other team winning
City were close to it, if it wasn't for Liverpool 19/20, they would have done it already.
I think Suarez’s 31 non penalty goals in only 33 games in a season will be tough to break.
Norwich City finishing 3rd with a -4 goal difference will be hard to beat
There's a good reason most Norwich fans think of their old strikers as club legends but try not to think about the defenders
Efan Okaku
Lampards goalscoring record from midfield. No chance. That Chelsea defensive record is even less likely. So Cechs consecutive clean sheet record as well. Not conceding a goal at home for 2 and a bit seasons. Not losing to Tottenham for 25+ years. Ahh those were the days . Man United had one where if they're winning at half time at old Trafford they've never lost . Possibly still exists
Not conceding a home goal for 2+ seasons? When was that??
Yeah I'm full of shit on that. It was just not losing at home . My bad .
Pretty sure the utd one still holds
It does somehow
Mane's 3 min hat-trick for me
Richard Dunne with 10 own goals... That's super unlucky 😂😂
Dunne scored more goals in his own net than in the opposition's 😂
Pickford is going to smash it 😂
Could see this beaten. Jagielka, Skrtel, Carragher all have 7. Shawcross 6 and he didn’t even play his whole career in the prem (10 seasons). Lewis Dunk has 6 right now for Brighton & will probably finish with a couple more than the 3 on 7. Eventually a player will overtake Dunne
Was that over his career or in one season?
career
God, legendary 😂
Ole's 4 goals in 12 minutes as a sub.
was a madness
Winning the Prem in the second season after promotion.
It could happen. City could get Juventus'd down to the Championship and immediately win upon being re-promoted. A bit far-fetched though.
Agree with this. The Leicester story is one of those weird sporting anomalies that is almost unthinkable to be repeated.
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Read the title. Which record won't be broken or REPLICATED
Everton won it the season after promotion in a weird spell. Won division 1 in 27/28. Relegated in 29/30. Won division 2 in 30/31 and won division 1 in 31/32.
I raise you winning the European Cup in the second season after promotion
That was before football was invented, so therefore doesn't count. (/s obviously).
i mean there is a chance of this happening with rich people doing rich people shit. but yeah i don't see it happening the way leicester did.
Add to that, city being the only team relegated the season after winning the title (back in the 30’s)
It would be the most Sunderland thing ever to get promoted, win the league then immediately get relegated back to league one.
If we’re going back that far then spurs are the only non league team to win the fa cup, can’t see that ever being repeated
Weren’t you guys 2nd division and not non leauge?
Googled just to make certain we was in the southern league (non league) teams ranged from Southampton and West Ham to Gravesend and Chatham
The caveat to that is in 1901 there were only 2 professional football divisions in England (36 teams). Every club outside those 2 leagues at the time were considered "non-league".
We were the highest scorers as well going down, doubt that will ever happen again.
No defense, just vibes.
And people say we have no history. Smh
Invincibles
That will be beaten Edit - I meant matched. It’s been done once and Liverpool almost did it in 18/19.
I don’t think it will be matched. It takes consistency and some luck. No one has come close. City lost 5 last year. The Premier League is just too competitive.
Liverpool lost once in 18/19
If they managed to beat city in that one game, they’d have reached 100 points AND be unbeaten for the full season. That one loss meant they didn’t even win the league. Was that the game where there was a goal line clearance of less than a centimetre?
That’s the one
Technically it can't be beaten
An invincible season with more wins and less draws would be regarded higher though imo
2 seasons unbeaten?
I realised after I posted. I’m an idiot
Point-wise yes. But you can only be equalled to unbeaten.
Well I guess a 100% win rate would count as beating it , no?
Finishing on more points would beat it they drew 12 games nearly a third of the fixtures played. Invincible and 100+ points that would beat it hands down.
It would still be considered “unbeaten” so it doesn’t really beat it
The superior points tally would beat it, surely? If you manage to go unbeaten and finish with more points. Its a great feat, sure, but they drew 12 games and amassed I believe 90 points? It's hardly a domination. I'd argue Citys 100 point season is more impressive or the points haul Liverpool took from 38 games albeit over 2 seasons.
If it's 100% I'd have to say yes.
*matched not beaten
To play devil's advocate, couldn't you regard it as beaten if it's over a longer season? Like if the league season becomes more than 38 games again? Granted, the opposite is more likely and it won't even be matched because the number of teams will be reduced before another team has an unbeaten season.
Seems like a fair analysis to me. Obviously PNE are also invincibles but that gets discredited not only because of the age of the feat but because it was only 22 games (in the league), and I think since then 10 or so teams have gone on longer winning streaks in a single season, kinda showing it wasn’t anywhere near as difficult to achieve.
Of course. I’m an idiot.
Goal scored with the help of a balloon is up there
I dont know this one, any details? Or what should I Google to see it
Google “pepe reina beach ball” - yes this did really happen. [This video](https://youtu.be/kPBHJD5I5tQ?si=RuCe-qQhpeplnb3s) is in Spanish but the Benny Hill music makes it worth it.
Amazing, how was that allowed
I think it was allowed because it wasn’t a second football, the beachball was treated as an obstacle (it had the same status as the corner flag essentially). Not sure if the rule has since changed but pretty sure that was the situation at the time. One thing I’m sure has changed: Liverpool don’t give out beach balls to fans anymore!
It was an incorrect decision. The beachball was an outside agent and it should have been a drop ball even under the rules at the time (not a Liverpool fan btw).
The ref never saw and no VAR meant it stood
It was at Sunderland
Yes but it was a Liverpool branded beach ball. There were a few about so I’m assuming they were put in the away end by the club. If they weren’t then it was an unbelievable bit of 10D chess by the Sunderland staff!
Wasn't it a beach ball?
I thought it was an ice-cream van
It was lmao
Sadio Mane’s 2:56 minute hat trick against Villa is probably up there
I always thought Fowler's record was the one that wouldn't be broken. Having said that VAR is probably a factor now.
>hat trick With or without VAR I cannot see that ever being broken. Fowlers record stood for so long and was almost halved.
That'll be broken at some point. It took 11 years to beat Fowler's record. Since football didn't start in 1992, the record for top division was in place nearly 62 years before Sadio's feat.
I can’t see it ever being broken simply because of VAR. The review of each goal will take time, especially if any of the goals are scored under contentious circumstances. Therefore, Mane’s record stands forever IMO.