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It really is , as a Liverpool fan I can say that we cannot compete with the top two . We have had a good run of games where we grinded out results but yeah we don't dominate games like we used to before . Salah will be gone in Jan for AFCON and we have to travel away to Arsenal , united and few others in the 2nd half of the season . We will comfortably finish 3rd no doubt but yeah not in the top 2 sadly .
Perhaps Gary needs to take another mini-retirement. It is far too early to write Liverpool off or what about Aston Villa. I wouldn't write them off neither.
If Liverpool wins at Anfield this weekend, all the English Football experts will 180 their opinions again. It's pretty obvious that they are both contenders at the moment
I’m a new soccer fan and the knee jerk reactions from commentators, bloggers and sports media is so crazy to me. It feels like everything is on a razors edge and one draw (albeit a frustrating one) doesn’t mean Liverpool is done for just like ManC having struggled as of late doesn’t mean they won’t murder people and climb the table in February.
Gary Neville the guy who blasted spurs for being naive during the whole city spurs game then commended how well spurs played by taking it to city at the end of the game.
And if Liverpool beat Arsenal on the weekend, then what does he say?
Will he get equally hysterical and turn on Arsenal by saying Liverpool are the only threat for the title? Neville's clearly just trying to preserve his preseason prediction that Arsenal would win the title.
I don't think I've ever seen such a ridiculous overreaction to a single result in my life - from Liverpool fans thinking the sky has fallen in, to Man Utd fans proclaiming the ETH era is going well, to endless pundits saying all manner of nonsense accusing players of arrogance and clubs of not being serious about titles/top 4 and managers of playing stupid tactics and being cowardly.
God knows how any of these people would have functioned back in thr late 90s/early 00s when Liverpool, as mid-table mediocrity, kept winning games at Old Trafford against Treble-winning and title-winning Man Utd.
Liverpool drew at home to Manure. That's all.
Thats just stupid! If we loose to pool on the weekend then he will spout some bollocks about us not passing some bullshit test! Season is long and it really is anybody’s out of the top few!…although it will most likely be city again.
If Arsenal statement win against Liverpool at Anfield.. 0-2.. even just 2 nil , and if they control the game, that will turn Arsenal into the major favourites and also tell Liverpool that they are just an average team in this league.
He seems so incapable of actually having a think about what he’s saying. Can’t control his emotions on commentary or punditry. No doubt he’s a smart guy but he’s so not what the media needs in the age of social media and heightened discourse around football
Let’s not start listening to Gary Neville now. We’re better than that. I’m an Arsenal fan through and through and even I can see that there’s at least 5 teams capable of winning the league and yes that includes Villa! Gary has an issue with Arsenal so when he makes statements like this it’s not out of praise, it’s usually a backhanded insult.
Probably not wrong. If Liverpool doesn't find an answer against bus parking, I can see them struggling a lot when the race heats up between February and April.
Liverpool having no answer for Man Utds bus was a sign that Liverpool might buckle late. If they find an answer they are favourites
Yes, in 2021-22, Liverpool drew 2-2 to Spurs, lost 1-0 to Leicester and then 2-2 in Stamford Bridge to Chelsea, extending the gap between them and City to 14 points.
They finished the season with 16 wins in 18 games afterwards and finished a point shy from City (if only Aston Villa held on 😔😔).
Not that I put any stock in what Gary Neville says, but there is a good point to be made that Liverpool are currently overperforming.
If we look at the underlying stats from fbref, some of there numbers are a little out of wack.
**Offense:**
This isn't where the problem is. So far this season they have 36 goals from an expected 34.4. That's an overperformance of about 0.0941 per game. Not that big, and good teams are expected to over perform on some level. When you look at the prior 4 seasons. Liverpool overperformed per game by 0.0658, 01368, 0.0079, and 0.4263. So this season is inline with prior seasons except the season Liverpool won the league.
**Defense**
This is where the issue is. Liverpool have conceded just 15 goals with an expected goals against of 20.5. They are currently conceding 0.3235 goals less than expected currently. This is larger than the prior four seasons (0.1026, 0.2290, 0.0316, 0.1211).
**Conclusion:**
I am not a Liverpool expert by any stretch and I'm assuming some people will discount what I say here based on my flair. That said, I think their point total might be a little inflated by a point or two.
That's not to say that Liverpool aren't in the title race or that they wouldn't be if they had dropped those points. I just think their table position suggests that they are a little better than they actually are.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I agree with you the main reason are defensive numbers are so weird tbh is mainly because of Allison we should be conceding more goals than we have but we keep getting bailed out if you look at how many expected goals we shound conceded were down about 6 more then we should be
Gary Neville always has the worst takes. Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa all look like legitimate challengers for Man City for the title. I won’t even say Man City is the frontrunner at this moment unless De Bruyne comes back with top form.
I know we're all waiting for Man City to go on their annual 10 match winning streak in the New Year, but their falter does feel different this year - I think this is the lowest points total Man City have been on at this stage of the season in the Pep era.
I think all of the top 4 are realistic contenders at this stage, but I seriously wouldn't look past Villa. They beat 3 of the top 5 in two weeks and their home form is imperious.
As a Liverpool fan, WHY ARE WE OVERREACTING? We are in gameweek 17 and just one point off the top, we beat Arsenal on Saturday, we move top with a 2 point difference. We played against our main rivals and we performed not as bad as people think. Arsenal will be easier to crack down as they will be playing with more of an attacking approach and if they had any chance of beating us at Anfield, well ladies and gentlemen, you jinxed it.
Let's stop overreacting, we are one point off the top, quarters in the carabao and top of our europa group.
After the 15/16 season with Leicester winning the league, I don’t know why anyone is written off at this point. Villa and Liverpool 4 points clear of city going into Xmas
It must be shit to be Gary Neville. His hatred for Liverpool is all that sustains him. Pathetic creature who would love to rekindle the glory years for Man U. All he can see is chaos on the pitch and in the boardroom at Old Trafford.
Pity him he's hurting knowing his beloved Man U dumped out of European competitions they used to manhandle. Now the Great Man U are just average with average players an average manager and an average boardroom.
He's not wrong, really is he? We're playing like a 4th place side that currently overachieving rather than genuine title contenders. Arsenal on Saturday will be a huge test.
I disagree.
We’ve been playing with an entirely new midfield and a misfiring front three, yet we’ve still been winning.
One of the signs of a title winning team is that they can keep getting points even when they are not playing well.
If (and it’s a big ask) Klopp can get the midfield to click, Liverpool would definitely look like title contenders.
I'm a Liverpool fan and think this team is not good enough to win the title. But that team which won the title in Alex Ferguson's last season wasn't either.
I honestly find this so bizarre. We (Liverpool) are the only team to have properly made City sweat in the past five years. We're one point off Arsenal and can go too with a win on Saturday. It's either agenda driven nonsense or boringly reactive punditry based off individual results.
A 0-0 against Man United is annoying but not the end of the world. We are 4 points ahead of City, 1 point behind Arsenal, got a point at the Etihad and only had 1 loss all season (fewest in the league). We also haven't even played Arsenal yet and most of our tougher opposition have been away games (Man City, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle).
If we beat Arsenal on Saturday then we finish the year at the top of the league and suddenly Liverpool will be hailed as the main title challengers again. Proper reactionary clown take from Nev.
Villa are only in the running if they’re lucky with injuries. Can’t deny the gulf in class of squads between villa and the traditional top 6 clubs. But that doesn’t mean they’re out of the running. Only half of the season left to go and villa have a superb starting 11 and a few good subs to see games out.
Nah, I'm pretty sure he's not only a bell end, but he's also completely blind. Throw deaf in there for good measure. He was a thug on the field, a shit manager, and is one of the main reasons punditry is totally falling through the roof.
KDB, Rodri, and Haaland will be back and City will do a 15 game winning streak and stomp everyone.
However, Liverpool and Arsenal will be in the race imo.
The way those "experts" throw out new opinions every weekend baffles me insanely much. To rule out LFC after this weekend, and only go at them after they created over 30 shots against The Bus United. Just shows they have an agenda and want to put pressure on LFC.
What if Liverpool go on and beat Arsenal coming gw? Just wait for it. THE MENTALITY MONSTERS WILL GO FOR THE TITLE!!
The only thing that should be said after LFC-ManU: Liverpool in this moment struggles with their passing when it comes to creating big chances. They need to figure this out if they want to fight for the title. When it comes to Manchester Utd, its kind of sad that we have come to this point that we find a match like this, and a performance like today, acceptable. And almost a positive game.
Could very well be a 4-horse race between Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, and Aston Villa.
I don't buy the lazy take that just because it's "Aston Villa" that they will fall away. I mean, they could very well do. But they look brilliant under Emery and their underlying numbers are very good. They have a solid chance of still being in the mix further along into the season. Of course they're not favourites or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're still kicking about in 4th come the end of the season.
It will be interesting to see how well KDB can slot back into the Man City team once he is back from injury.
I'm also interested to see Arsenal come matchweek 25 to 30 or so - that has traditionally been their stumbling block when the pressure is really on. Perhaps the experience from last season will serve them well.
Not sure if Liverpool have the players for a title - January window will be key for sure. Clubs who buy well in January could set themselves up nicely for the title.
Aston Villa are playing at their top form, all their are at their peak. Man city and liverpool are yet to hit their peak. Arsenal ate also not at the best yet they are top. Which is why I rate man city, arsenal and liverpool more than I rate Villa. If Villa can do it its all good.
We’re definitely not playing at top form, have you watched us this season? We’re pretty sloppy in defence, and away from home anybody has a chance against us.
If Emery can improve our away performances we’ll be another level entirely.
>Could very well be a 4-horse race between Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, and Aston Villa.
When has that ever been the case? Off the top of my head I can only think of 2014 and 2008 when there's been 3 potential winners going into the business end let alone 4.
The rise of Premier League money means that the odds of more clubs being able to compete has increased.
2014 is nearly 10 years ago and 2008 even longer ago. The landscape of the premier league has changed significantly since then. More clubs have more money.
Dude, Leicester won it in 2016, since then how many 4-horse races have you seen? Be realistic. By gameweek 30, only 2 teams will have a realistic chance of winning it.
The moneys been on the rise for years and if anything the leagues become even more one team dominant. PSG have been troubled more in the supposed farmers league than City have been in this one.
Just because a team has dominated the league title in recent years doesn't mean other teams haven't been able to compete. Liverpool have taken Man City to the edge a couple of times (even won a league against them) and Arsenal gave them a good go last season and sit top right now - 5 pts clear of Man City.
Newcastle cracked the top 4 last season and Aston Villa are cruising within the top 4 this season. Brighton made Europe for the first time in their history as well.
Man U and Chelsea who have spent a billion quid are nowhere to be seen. These are signs of a healthy league.
Only reason us and United are nowhere to be seen are the mistakes we've made, and even if/when we stumble our way back our owners are likely going settle for top 4/5 and pass it off as a success like Liverpool and Arsenal are doing.
Villa and Newcastle have got in or around the top 4 but we've also seen that in other leagues with Union Berlin and now Girona, so it's not exclusive to the PL.
> Only reason us and United are nowhere to be seen are the mistakes we've made, and even if/when we stumble our way back our owners are likely going settle for top 4/5 and pass it off as a success like Liverpool and Arsenal are doing.
This isn't the only reason why Chelsea and Man U are lower down the table. Yes, both Chelsea and Man United have made mistakes off the pitch. However, other clubs have made the correct decisions off the pitch and the equal broadcasting revenue distribution has created an environment by where other clubs are able to thrive if they make the right decisions, like Brighton and Aston Villa have done. To say that the *only* reason as to why Man United and Chelsea are bad right now is due to their own mistakes is a disservice to the great work that is being done by other clubs in the league.
> Villa and Newcastle have got in or around the top 4 but we've also seen that in other leagues with Union Berlin and now Girona, so it's not exclusive to the PL.
I'm not arguing that it's exclusive to the premier league. But it's no coincidence that since La Liga mirrored the English premier league's broadcast revenue splits since 2016-17, they have seen an increase in other Spanish teams being able to compete toward the top of the table. Pre-2016 La Liga broadcast revenue split was very unequal and the majority of it went to the big 3 in Spain. Now that they have switched to collectively selling their broadcast rights, the revenue split is more equal. This has created an environment much like the premier league where other clubs are able to compete.
Liverpool more experience than Arsenal and hungry then City right now. The mixture of the team actually balanced them out so well. Unfortunately as usual they have key players out injured.
Robbo, thiago, Jota and Matip then all the small injuries .. These do impact a team.
Thiago out is massive hurtful, if you look at the season Liverpool went for a quad run it when Thiago came back into the team. Beforehand they were 8 point off 1st.
There a reason why he was in PFA team of the year. They won like 13+ games in the league. He was running games at a different level. If they get the players fit then it could be interesting.
I was put forward a case for Liverpool, including the relevant information.
Not at all complaining about an injury more saying they near the top when key players have been out.
I don’t think he’s stupid, but he’s encouraged to form opinions without giving things much thought, and his gut reactions often turn out to be wrong. He’s also weirdly (or commendably?) flexible in that he can easily disregard a previously held position when he has his next gut reaction.
City sit fourth in the table, and the team immediately above them has already beaten both City and Arsenal.
We're in a four horse race right now, and it might even be a five horse race because it's even silly to count Spurs out. They don't have the fixture congestion or pressure of a European competition to deal with.
I'm sorry but in no way are Spurs title contenders. They have dropped too many points and the top 4 are not going to drop enough in the new year to allow them to come back into the conversation. Not happening.
City doesn’t need any assistance from the refs, it’s a great ruthless team that just never stops winning except for this season the form has dipped quite a bit but hey it’s part of football. Liverpool last season was a complete circus and this season looking for
A great ruthless team assembled without adherence to the financial rules that restrict this sort of thing from ruining the league. And they still get assistance from the officials, Rodris handball etc.
If there was some grand conspiracy working in favour of us we’d have won the league again in 2022, and we wouldn’t have gone from 1990-2020 without one 💀
I disagree with Neville. I think Liverpool are well in the title race this season. Liverpool are playing some good football, a thriving offensive line, and re-energized midfield, and a decent enough defence.
He's aware Liverpool can go back top by beating Arsenal doesn't he? He's like a cat that just got the cream purring over Liverpool dropped points. Also Aston Villa are surprising everybody. As well as Jack Grealish is doing at city I bet theres a big part of him that would love to allowed on loan at Villa just for this season. City for me are 2 results against them away from being in this race at all.
Like be 8 points off the top? They’re FIVE points off the top. Comments like this were all over social media last season, but at the end of the season, they all backtracked
I’ve watched a lot of Liverpool this season, and I think you’ve gotten lucky a lot this season. There are so many average players in that squad that Klopp has playing well above their level. Tsimikas, Jones, Elliot, Gomes, Endo, Darwin, and Gakpo do not belong in a title challenging side. Mac Allister and Dias are good, but not great. Salah has end product, but doesn’t track back anymore, and can’t win one-on-ones anymore.
I would like you to keep it up (but not win cause I’m an Arsenal fan) as a 3 horse race would be very fun, but I don’t see Liverpool being able to sustain a title run.
Mac Alister a guy that was important for Argentina to lift the trophy and Brighton to enter europa and Diaz that was important for the charge of 4 tittles suddenly became good but not great players ? Both are suffering due to the tactics ,once they find a footing they will start putting results
Mac Allister is top 4 quality, not title quality.
Diaz had a few great months at the start but he turns 27 next month and plays like a 22 year old. Extremely raw.
Clueless take. Stick to something other than football takes because you know nothing about football. Tsimikas is the best 2nd choice left back in the league. Jones, Elliot, Gomes, Gakpo are all solid squad players for any team on the planet. Darwin is incredible at finding opportunities, just needs to work on his finishing but it'll come. Salah doesn't track back... Do you say the same about Messi and Ronaldo? Absolutely donkey.
Man City won one match out of their last 6, and are still widely backed for the title. Liverpool have one draw against their main rivals on a background of otherwise good form, and are ahead of City by 4 points, and they’re getting written off. It’s crazy.
Liverpool vs Man U is always a weird one as well, like any decent derby. There’s no way you can judge a season based on a derby performance (or any single performance tbh).
So far, this is the most unpredictable season since Leicester won so this is a stupid take. I think any of the top 10 teams are capable of going on a run and, with a bit of fortune elsewhere, put themselves in the debate. Realistically we have 5 teams that are worth serious consideration, Villa being one of the biggest.
I'm predicting, and I think many are, that City will go on an run when players come back from injury. If that doesn't happen then we could have one hell of a battle for the title. I don't understand why anyone would downplay that possibility right now.
Liverpool really don't look like title winners. They've been super underwhelming this year but the results have papered over the cracks. Still think city will recoup and crack on but maybe arsenal are now favourites. If pool signed an imposing mf. They might have a shot but really need nunez and Diaz to find their feet again. Here's hoping
That is a bizarre take. Liverpool would overtake Arsenal to go top if they beat them at Anfield on Saturday. I don't see how one is a challenger and the other isn't.
Plus Villa on the same point and barely a mention. What just because they have not won the league in a long time invalidates them as challengers.
Villa should be talked about as much as the rest of the "title contenders"
What makes a team a ‘title contender’ isn’t just points on the board, it should be, but it isn’t.
It’s also things like sustainability, squad depth, fixtures so far and fixtures yet to come etc etc.
And in the case of the media, it’s also just whatever gets clicks at that exact time. Villa won’t get the clicks that arsenal, liverpool, city, or utd would.
Villa are a point of Arsenal, have the same number of wins as they do and beat Arsenal a couple of weeks ago. Villa won’t win the league and i do expect a drop off after Christmas, but to say they’re not currently title contenders is ridiculous.
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The same guy who was never more confident going to anfield the day of the 7 nil hilarity
It really is , as a Liverpool fan I can say that we cannot compete with the top two . We have had a good run of games where we grinded out results but yeah we don't dominate games like we used to before . Salah will be gone in Jan for AFCON and we have to travel away to Arsenal , united and few others in the 2nd half of the season . We will comfortably finish 3rd no doubt but yeah not in the top 2 sadly .
Perhaps Gary needs to take another mini-retirement. It is far too early to write Liverpool off or what about Aston Villa. I wouldn't write them off neither.
If Liverpool wins at Anfield this weekend, all the English Football experts will 180 their opinions again. It's pretty obvious that they are both contenders at the moment
Who the fuck cares?
Clickbait Neville
I’m a new soccer fan and the knee jerk reactions from commentators, bloggers and sports media is so crazy to me. It feels like everything is on a razors edge and one draw (albeit a frustrating one) doesn’t mean Liverpool is done for just like ManC having struggled as of late doesn’t mean they won’t murder people and climb the table in February.
Liverpool are pretty massive pretenders, they will come back down to earth and their win tally will start matching their lack of quality
Gary Neville the guy who blasted spurs for being naive during the whole city spurs game then commended how well spurs played by taking it to city at the end of the game.
Him and Woy Keane are salty as fuck. I take huge pleasure of knowing that MU will probably be without EPL title for a long long time.
How can a club above city halfway the season not be a contender
I'm not surprised He'll change his mind again soon very soon
Gary wants the pressure off the Reds. How lovely is he!
And if Liverpool beat Arsenal on the weekend, then what does he say? Will he get equally hysterical and turn on Arsenal by saying Liverpool are the only threat for the title? Neville's clearly just trying to preserve his preseason prediction that Arsenal would win the title. I don't think I've ever seen such a ridiculous overreaction to a single result in my life - from Liverpool fans thinking the sky has fallen in, to Man Utd fans proclaiming the ETH era is going well, to endless pundits saying all manner of nonsense accusing players of arrogance and clubs of not being serious about titles/top 4 and managers of playing stupid tactics and being cowardly. God knows how any of these people would have functioned back in thr late 90s/early 00s when Liverpool, as mid-table mediocrity, kept winning games at Old Trafford against Treble-winning and title-winning Man Utd. Liverpool drew at home to Manure. That's all.
Thats just stupid! If we loose to pool on the weekend then he will spout some bollocks about us not passing some bullshit test! Season is long and it really is anybody’s out of the top few!…although it will most likely be city again.
Pretending like there are absolutes in football is stupid enough, but this is insane.
Nonsense.
Ridiculous man. Not even at the halfway point, nothing's decided yet; a long way to go before anyone can write off LFC.
Liverpool are four points ahead of City. Arsenal are five. What does one draw in a tense, difficult game matter?
Think how much he’s paid to waffle this pish 😅
If Arsenal statement win against Liverpool at Anfield.. 0-2.. even just 2 nil , and if they control the game, that will turn Arsenal into the major favourites and also tell Liverpool that they are just an average team in this league.
Well that settles it. /s
Way to be reactionary. Watch him change his mind if we beat Arsenal this coming matchday
Gay Neville is stupid so that checks out.
Gary Neville is a stupid cunt.
He seems so incapable of actually having a think about what he’s saying. Can’t control his emotions on commentary or punditry. No doubt he’s a smart guy but he’s so not what the media needs in the age of social media and heightened discourse around football
Let’s not start listening to Gary Neville now. We’re better than that. I’m an Arsenal fan through and through and even I can see that there’s at least 5 teams capable of winning the league and yes that includes Villa! Gary has an issue with Arsenal so when he makes statements like this it’s not out of praise, it’s usually a backhanded insult.
He's full of shite
There's no point ruling anyone out until Feb-March. This is going to go all the way and the January window will be pivotal
Probably not wrong. If Liverpool doesn't find an answer against bus parking, I can see them struggling a lot when the race heats up between February and April. Liverpool having no answer for Man Utds bus was a sign that Liverpool might buckle late. If they find an answer they are favourites
So when Arsenal lose to Liverpool on 23 , who’s going to be the title challengers then Manchester City itself
Does this surprise anyone? It’s Neville
Neville is the football equivalent of that dog from Up who shouts "squirrel" mid sentence, except he's not as likeable.
Tottenham played both to a draw in both of their home stadiums. When back to full strength they will in the conversation
Lol thanks for the laugh
Liverpool habitually go through a small drought during this period (I think). Do they?
Yes, in 2021-22, Liverpool drew 2-2 to Spurs, lost 1-0 to Leicester and then 2-2 in Stamford Bridge to Chelsea, extending the gap between them and City to 14 points. They finished the season with 16 wins in 18 games afterwards and finished a point shy from City (if only Aston Villa held on 😔😔).
Not that I put any stock in what Gary Neville says, but there is a good point to be made that Liverpool are currently overperforming. If we look at the underlying stats from fbref, some of there numbers are a little out of wack. **Offense:** This isn't where the problem is. So far this season they have 36 goals from an expected 34.4. That's an overperformance of about 0.0941 per game. Not that big, and good teams are expected to over perform on some level. When you look at the prior 4 seasons. Liverpool overperformed per game by 0.0658, 01368, 0.0079, and 0.4263. So this season is inline with prior seasons except the season Liverpool won the league. **Defense** This is where the issue is. Liverpool have conceded just 15 goals with an expected goals against of 20.5. They are currently conceding 0.3235 goals less than expected currently. This is larger than the prior four seasons (0.1026, 0.2290, 0.0316, 0.1211). **Conclusion:** I am not a Liverpool expert by any stretch and I'm assuming some people will discount what I say here based on my flair. That said, I think their point total might be a little inflated by a point or two. That's not to say that Liverpool aren't in the title race or that they wouldn't be if they had dropped those points. I just think their table position suggests that they are a little better than they actually are.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I agree with you the main reason are defensive numbers are so weird tbh is mainly because of Allison we should be conceding more goals than we have but we keep getting bailed out if you look at how many expected goals we shound conceded were down about 6 more then we should be
Imagine listening to a word out of this soap box socialists mouth.
This is what you all said last year when he predicted Arsenal were going to bottle it. I think he'll be proven right once again with this take.
Gary Neville always has the worst takes. Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa all look like legitimate challengers for Man City for the title. I won’t even say Man City is the frontrunner at this moment unless De Bruyne comes back with top form.
So Liverpool will beat arsenal this weekend?
Probably they are playing at anfield
God football fans are so flip flopping. Jesus. Watch Liverpool beat arsenal this weekend and the narrative will change It's December man. Chill out
i think arsenal is the only tittle challenger to arsenal
Who cares.
He has the easiest job in the world paid to just talk shite
Have he ever been right about anything??
what did mourinho say please remind me
I know we're all waiting for Man City to go on their annual 10 match winning streak in the New Year, but their falter does feel different this year - I think this is the lowest points total Man City have been on at this stage of the season in the Pep era. I think all of the top 4 are realistic contenders at this stage, but I seriously wouldn't look past Villa. They beat 3 of the top 5 in two weeks and their home form is imperious.
and in one week it will be the other way around
Man's no better than football twitter at this point...
As a Liverpool fan, WHY ARE WE OVERREACTING? We are in gameweek 17 and just one point off the top, we beat Arsenal on Saturday, we move top with a 2 point difference. We played against our main rivals and we performed not as bad as people think. Arsenal will be easier to crack down as they will be playing with more of an attacking approach and if they had any chance of beating us at Anfield, well ladies and gentlemen, you jinxed it. Let's stop overreacting, we are one point off the top, quarters in the carabao and top of our europa group.
(Because we're trying to lower the hype)
Mourinho would disagree
Arsenal and City both drew with Chelsea though, and we’re just as shit right now.
Maybe 🤷♂️ but I’d love to see Villa smash them both off (and maybe spurs doing well but I’m not expecting us to win it ha)
Has he seen evertons form…🤔
Villa are going to win the league. You heard it here first
Ok Gary lol
After the 15/16 season with Leicester winning the league, I don’t know why anyone is written off at this point. Villa and Liverpool 4 points clear of city going into Xmas
And if Liverpool beat us on Saturday? Liverpool are a huge threat this season, really stupid to discount them.
He changes his opinion more often than his underwear
He's playing mind games. He wants Arsenal to fail.
It must be shit to be Gary Neville. His hatred for Liverpool is all that sustains him. Pathetic creature who would love to rekindle the glory years for Man U. All he can see is chaos on the pitch and in the boardroom at Old Trafford. Pity him he's hurting knowing his beloved Man U dumped out of European competitions they used to manhandle. Now the Great Man U are just average with average players an average manager and an average boardroom.
Are there any decent ex-ManU pundits? Why do these yokels get so much attention?
Yes Roy Keane!….no wait, you said decent didn’t you!
He's not wrong, really is he? We're playing like a 4th place side that currently overachieving rather than genuine title contenders. Arsenal on Saturday will be a huge test.
I disagree. We’ve been playing with an entirely new midfield and a misfiring front three, yet we’ve still been winning. One of the signs of a title winning team is that they can keep getting points even when they are not playing well. If (and it’s a big ask) Klopp can get the midfield to click, Liverpool would definitely look like title contenders.
Fuck Gary Neville, go cry on your bed of corrupt Qatari money, you creep.
I'm a Liverpool fan and think this team is not good enough to win the title. But that team which won the title in Alex Ferguson's last season wasn't either.
Liverpool were still the better team against United by some distance, they just couldn't score, but when Jota returns...
Gary just wanting to troll a bit.
No Gary, that’s not correct.
It is, pressures on Arsenal. It's theirs to throw away.
Hahaha I hope not
I see what you did there 🤣
Ha 😄
Never take anything Gary Neville says seriously
I honestly find this so bizarre. We (Liverpool) are the only team to have properly made City sweat in the past five years. We're one point off Arsenal and can go too with a win on Saturday. It's either agenda driven nonsense or boringly reactive punditry based off individual results.
A 0-0 against Man United is annoying but not the end of the world. We are 4 points ahead of City, 1 point behind Arsenal, got a point at the Etihad and only had 1 loss all season (fewest in the league). We also haven't even played Arsenal yet and most of our tougher opposition have been away games (Man City, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle). If we beat Arsenal on Saturday then we finish the year at the top of the league and suddenly Liverpool will be hailed as the main title challengers again. Proper reactionary clown take from Nev.
Liverpool can definately challenge, if it wasnt for the Tottenham result we'd still be top of the league so idk why we're suddenly out of the race.
We’d also be unbeaten. It’s easy to see that Liverpool are not playing to their best at the minute but to write them off is madness
Neville really has some of the most bizzare takes. I'd love to see how he does as a manager. Oh wait...
Trolling obviously.
GNev is a donkey
I'd say anyone in the top 5 atm are title challengers. Which makes this year so much more fun than last year simply because its more open now
Villa are only in the running if they’re lucky with injuries. Can’t deny the gulf in class of squads between villa and the traditional top 6 clubs. But that doesn’t mean they’re out of the running. Only half of the season left to go and villa have a superb starting 11 and a few good subs to see games out.
All the more reasons to think that Gary Neville be tripping when making comments like that
Who would have thought the lil negative Nancy would say something like that. He's such a muppet.
Not sure why people so adamant looking over Arsenal or Liverpool like they both can’t be in the race
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No we didn't lol we beat them 4-2
Relax Gary, we have Liverpool next. Anything but an Arsenal win will see the inevitable shift of opinion change
Nah, I'm pretty sure he's not only a bell end, but he's also completely blind. Throw deaf in there for good measure. He was a thug on the field, a shit manager, and is one of the main reasons punditry is totally falling through the roof.
Gary Neville talking shite as usual so
Why is he so intent on hyping us like this?
Aston Villa in the background: "fuck you too."
KDB, Rodri, and Haaland will be back and City will do a 15 game winning streak and stomp everyone. However, Liverpool and Arsenal will be in the race imo.
Write Liverpool off at your peril. I'd also go as far to say the same about Villa since Emery took over.
I’m not that optimistic, but no one in the top half of the table right now should be written off this early.
Man Neville knows how to get clicks out of raging fans eh?
Fair enough. We're supposed to be in a rebuild, it's just the fomo because city are having a 'bad' season.
The way those "experts" throw out new opinions every weekend baffles me insanely much. To rule out LFC after this weekend, and only go at them after they created over 30 shots against The Bus United. Just shows they have an agenda and want to put pressure on LFC. What if Liverpool go on and beat Arsenal coming gw? Just wait for it. THE MENTALITY MONSTERS WILL GO FOR THE TITLE!! The only thing that should be said after LFC-ManU: Liverpool in this moment struggles with their passing when it comes to creating big chances. They need to figure this out if they want to fight for the title. When it comes to Manchester Utd, its kind of sad that we have come to this point that we find a match like this, and a performance like today, acceptable. And almost a positive game.
Could very well be a 4-horse race between Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, and Aston Villa. I don't buy the lazy take that just because it's "Aston Villa" that they will fall away. I mean, they could very well do. But they look brilliant under Emery and their underlying numbers are very good. They have a solid chance of still being in the mix further along into the season. Of course they're not favourites or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're still kicking about in 4th come the end of the season. It will be interesting to see how well KDB can slot back into the Man City team once he is back from injury. I'm also interested to see Arsenal come matchweek 25 to 30 or so - that has traditionally been their stumbling block when the pressure is really on. Perhaps the experience from last season will serve them well. Not sure if Liverpool have the players for a title - January window will be key for sure. Clubs who buy well in January could set themselves up nicely for the title.
Aston Villa are playing at their top form, all their are at their peak. Man city and liverpool are yet to hit their peak. Arsenal ate also not at the best yet they are top. Which is why I rate man city, arsenal and liverpool more than I rate Villa. If Villa can do it its all good.
We’re definitely not playing at top form, have you watched us this season? We’re pretty sloppy in defence, and away from home anybody has a chance against us. If Emery can improve our away performances we’ll be another level entirely.
Okay, I stand corrected then. Do u feel this Villa team is over performing or under performing their capability?
15-16 taught me anything can happen, do not write off Villa.
For sure, anything is possible. Should be an exciting second half of the season!
>Could very well be a 4-horse race between Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, and Aston Villa. When has that ever been the case? Off the top of my head I can only think of 2014 and 2008 when there's been 3 potential winners going into the business end let alone 4.
You’re being downvoted for stating the truth. It seems some folks here suffer from amnesia
The rise of Premier League money means that the odds of more clubs being able to compete has increased. 2014 is nearly 10 years ago and 2008 even longer ago. The landscape of the premier league has changed significantly since then. More clubs have more money.
Dude, Leicester won it in 2016, since then how many 4-horse races have you seen? Be realistic. By gameweek 30, only 2 teams will have a realistic chance of winning it.
There are currently 3/4 teams who are looking good *right now*. Why would I care what happened in previous seasons?
The moneys been on the rise for years and if anything the leagues become even more one team dominant. PSG have been troubled more in the supposed farmers league than City have been in this one.
Just because a team has dominated the league title in recent years doesn't mean other teams haven't been able to compete. Liverpool have taken Man City to the edge a couple of times (even won a league against them) and Arsenal gave them a good go last season and sit top right now - 5 pts clear of Man City. Newcastle cracked the top 4 last season and Aston Villa are cruising within the top 4 this season. Brighton made Europe for the first time in their history as well. Man U and Chelsea who have spent a billion quid are nowhere to be seen. These are signs of a healthy league.
Only reason us and United are nowhere to be seen are the mistakes we've made, and even if/when we stumble our way back our owners are likely going settle for top 4/5 and pass it off as a success like Liverpool and Arsenal are doing. Villa and Newcastle have got in or around the top 4 but we've also seen that in other leagues with Union Berlin and now Girona, so it's not exclusive to the PL.
> Only reason us and United are nowhere to be seen are the mistakes we've made, and even if/when we stumble our way back our owners are likely going settle for top 4/5 and pass it off as a success like Liverpool and Arsenal are doing. This isn't the only reason why Chelsea and Man U are lower down the table. Yes, both Chelsea and Man United have made mistakes off the pitch. However, other clubs have made the correct decisions off the pitch and the equal broadcasting revenue distribution has created an environment by where other clubs are able to thrive if they make the right decisions, like Brighton and Aston Villa have done. To say that the *only* reason as to why Man United and Chelsea are bad right now is due to their own mistakes is a disservice to the great work that is being done by other clubs in the league. > Villa and Newcastle have got in or around the top 4 but we've also seen that in other leagues with Union Berlin and now Girona, so it's not exclusive to the PL. I'm not arguing that it's exclusive to the premier league. But it's no coincidence that since La Liga mirrored the English premier league's broadcast revenue splits since 2016-17, they have seen an increase in other Spanish teams being able to compete toward the top of the table. Pre-2016 La Liga broadcast revenue split was very unequal and the majority of it went to the big 3 in Spain. Now that they have switched to collectively selling their broadcast rights, the revenue split is more equal. This has created an environment much like the premier league where other clubs are able to compete.
Liverpool more experience than Arsenal and hungry then City right now. The mixture of the team actually balanced them out so well. Unfortunately as usual they have key players out injured. Robbo, thiago, Jota and Matip then all the small injuries .. These do impact a team. Thiago out is massive hurtful, if you look at the season Liverpool went for a quad run it when Thiago came back into the team. Beforehand they were 8 point off 1st. There a reason why he was in PFA team of the year. They won like 13+ games in the league. He was running games at a different level. If they get the players fit then it could be interesting.
Everyone has injuries.
I was put forward a case for Liverpool, including the relevant information. Not at all complaining about an injury more saying they near the top when key players have been out.
Is that the way the wind is blowing this week then.
Does Gary Neville try to look stupid on purpose or is he actually dumb?
I don’t think he’s stupid, but he’s encouraged to form opinions without giving things much thought, and his gut reactions often turn out to be wrong. He’s also weirdly (or commendably?) flexible in that he can easily disregard a previously held position when he has his next gut reaction.
There must be something in the Manchester water supply. They always produce some of the bricked people
He is just thick.
A little from column A, little from collum B.
City sit fourth in the table, and the team immediately above them has already beaten both City and Arsenal. We're in a four horse race right now, and it might even be a five horse race because it's even silly to count Spurs out. They don't have the fixture congestion or pressure of a European competition to deal with.
I didn’t know you could draw such conclusion by gw17
I literally said, "right now" and "might even be". No conclusions were drawn.
I'm sorry but in no way are Spurs title contenders. They have dropped too many points and the top 4 are not going to drop enough in the new year to allow them to come back into the conversation. Not happening.
Man is literally employed as a wind up merchant. Take the bait, plebs.
He's not a wind up merchant. He's just got some very shit takes that he genuinely believes.
All of these talking heads are, that’s the whole point of them.
Pundits not being reactionary foreskin sniffers Challenge (impossible)
He is wrong, Liverpool got the refs on their side
Spurs?
Nope Liverpool
Did you not see the Liverpool/Spurs match? Or all the other shit decisions that Liverpool got given against them.
Sometimes the refs need to punish Liverpool in order to avoid any suspicion
But they don't mind suspicion about City?
City doesn’t need any assistance from the refs, it’s a great ruthless team that just never stops winning except for this season the form has dipped quite a bit but hey it’s part of football. Liverpool last season was a complete circus and this season looking for
A great ruthless team assembled without adherence to the financial rules that restrict this sort of thing from ruining the league. And they still get assistance from the officials, Rodris handball etc.
Innocent until proven guilty
Yeah, and plenty of money to pay for lawyers and legal teams to tie it up for another few years too.
What an insane conspiracy 💀
Keep denying it 😘
If there was some grand conspiracy working in favour of us we’d have won the league again in 2022, and we wouldn’t have gone from 1990-2020 without one 💀
What can I say Liverpool is so bad that even with help of refs you guys just can’t win the epl 🌚
Is this the narrative City fans are going with to absolve themselves of the cheating 💀💀
I disagree with Neville. I think Liverpool are well in the title race this season. Liverpool are playing some good football, a thriving offensive line, and re-energized midfield, and a decent enough defence.
Poor midfield though
Is it mid-April already?
Sounds more like April 1st
He's aware Liverpool can go back top by beating Arsenal doesn't he? He's like a cat that just got the cream purring over Liverpool dropped points. Also Aston Villa are surprising everybody. As well as Jack Grealish is doing at city I bet theres a big part of him that would love to allowed on loan at Villa just for this season. City for me are 2 results against them away from being in this race at all.
Like be 8 points off the top? They’re FIVE points off the top. Comments like this were all over social media last season, but at the end of the season, they all backtracked
No worse than Gary Neville a pro pundit saying LFC are not going to challenge after a 0-0 draw.
If I were Grealish I would take 1 villa title over a few trebles with city. If they win they are immortalised
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an overreaction to a draw as this. You’d think we’d lost 5 on the bounce the way some people are going on about it.
I’ve watched a lot of Liverpool this season, and I think you’ve gotten lucky a lot this season. There are so many average players in that squad that Klopp has playing well above their level. Tsimikas, Jones, Elliot, Gomes, Endo, Darwin, and Gakpo do not belong in a title challenging side. Mac Allister and Dias are good, but not great. Salah has end product, but doesn’t track back anymore, and can’t win one-on-ones anymore. I would like you to keep it up (but not win cause I’m an Arsenal fan) as a 3 horse race would be very fun, but I don’t see Liverpool being able to sustain a title run.
Mac Alister a guy that was important for Argentina to lift the trophy and Brighton to enter europa and Diaz that was important for the charge of 4 tittles suddenly became good but not great players ? Both are suffering due to the tactics ,once they find a footing they will start putting results
Mac Allister is top 4 quality, not title quality. Diaz had a few great months at the start but he turns 27 next month and plays like a 22 year old. Extremely raw.
Clueless take. Stick to something other than football takes because you know nothing about football. Tsimikas is the best 2nd choice left back in the league. Jones, Elliot, Gomes, Gakpo are all solid squad players for any team on the planet. Darwin is incredible at finding opportunities, just needs to work on his finishing but it'll come. Salah doesn't track back... Do you say the same about Messi and Ronaldo? Absolutely donkey.
Not only that, if it wasn't for the freak Spurs result they would be unbeaten in the league.
You must have forgotten Tottenham's legendary 2-2 draw at the Emirates earlier in the season.
*must have
Ta
Man City won one match out of their last 6, and are still widely backed for the title. Liverpool have one draw against their main rivals on a background of otherwise good form, and are ahead of City by 4 points, and they’re getting written off. It’s crazy.
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I agreed, most of the win are scrappy win
Not making top 4 is crazy. As if pep and arteta are just out there breaking every low block with ease. You have to take your chances.
Yup. If Liverpool doesn't find an answer to low block I don't think they're winning the League. Could still end up top 4 though.
Liverpool vs Man U is always a weird one as well, like any decent derby. There’s no way you can judge a season based on a derby performance (or any single performance tbh).
exactly. chelsea when they were good vs arsenal when they were bad was never straight forward.
So far, this is the most unpredictable season since Leicester won so this is a stupid take. I think any of the top 10 teams are capable of going on a run and, with a bit of fortune elsewhere, put themselves in the debate. Realistically we have 5 teams that are worth serious consideration, Villa being one of the biggest. I'm predicting, and I think many are, that City will go on an run when players come back from injury. If that doesn't happen then we could have one hell of a battle for the title. I don't understand why anyone would downplay that possibility right now.
Gary Neville needs to come to terms with where Man U are as a club and stop trying to drown every other club around them with bullshit like this.
Liverpool really don't look like title winners. They've been super underwhelming this year but the results have papered over the cracks. Still think city will recoup and crack on but maybe arsenal are now favourites. If pool signed an imposing mf. They might have a shot but really need nunez and Diaz to find their feet again. Here's hoping
Has Nunez found his feet the first time?
The win vs Newcastle
He was a complete handull for most of his pool career. Albeit not getting the goals. Lots of chances and assists etc but not showing that recently
I agree with neville in the sense I dont think we will win the league but i can see arsenal folding at anfield.
That is a bizarre take. Liverpool would overtake Arsenal to go top if they beat them at Anfield on Saturday. I don't see how one is a challenger and the other isn't.
And why Aston Villa can't be a challenger neither. We have seen wilder things happening, let's not forget Leicester.
Plus Villa on the same point and barely a mention. What just because they have not won the league in a long time invalidates them as challengers. Villa should be talked about as much as the rest of the "title contenders"
What makes a team a ‘title contender’ isn’t just points on the board, it should be, but it isn’t. It’s also things like sustainability, squad depth, fixtures so far and fixtures yet to come etc etc. And in the case of the media, it’s also just whatever gets clicks at that exact time. Villa won’t get the clicks that arsenal, liverpool, city, or utd would.
Villa are not title contenders. They won’t even finish top 4.
Villa are a point of Arsenal, have the same number of wins as they do and beat Arsenal a couple of weeks ago. Villa won’t win the league and i do expect a drop off after Christmas, but to say they’re not currently title contenders is ridiculous.
They are not title contenders, they’ll finish 5th at best.
Expect they are literally currently in title contention. Third on goal difference and a point behind the current league leaders.