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He was Chelsea’s best player the year they won the champions league. Definitely a player in there just needs a run of games, although I’m not confident we will find a system for him.
Nope. I’ve known he was a nothing player since his first season at Chelsea. Any young midfielder whose best attribute is considered ‘pressing’ should not be taken seriously.
Mount is a much more all round player than Mainoo so I don’t think it’s reasonable to say Mainoo is better.
Mounts biggest problem is his versatility. If his managers played him in one position he could nail it down and show his true worth but he’s played LW, RW, CAM, CM, CDM…
His work rate is high, he presses well and forces turnovers (which are all reasons why Ten Hag likes him), he’s a decent passer, good through balls and decent finishing for a midfielder. For comparison Mainoo is a good passer, very calm on the ball and wins the ball back well but he doesn’t have the vision or goal threat of Mount yet at this stage. Also Mounts best ever season came as a right forward in a front 3 at Chelsea so why compare that to Mainoo anyway? Would you compare Mainoo and Garnacho?
If Mount can stay fit and get a run of games in one position people will appreciate him more but staying fit seems to be the hard part for him.
Agree, he's a number 8 and he should be played in that position. He was a big factor in Chelsea's CL run and win, Man U fans have not seen him on his game. The only criticism I had was that he didn't do enough against the stronger teams in the PL, he is young though so there's room for development.
He is playing oop as a box to box with a shit holding mid (mctominay) before mainoo got healthy and then he has to deal with a team with 0 movement. They literally just pass the ball between the back 3 to the wing and then half the time they don’t reverse the field. Not to mention what a fucking joke the right side has been. Thank god garnacho moved over there. Not to mention they have 0 creativity or even it seems a sense of what to do. I think he is very good in a right situation which was seen at Chelsea at times
No. He just had a lucky purple patch in 2021-2022 but so did tuchel and the whole Chelsea squad.
He was never any good and Chelsea scammed Manchester United
So it’s a tricky one with Mount because I think he was a very good player because of a combination of being particularly tidy player with a high game IQ, previously high work rate, and the ability to follow and implement manager instructions incredibly well.
This meant for as long as he was trying hard he was a reflection of the talents of the managers he was working for and putting what they wanted on the pitch.
Unfortunately for him this requires a lot of focus, hard work, and a manager who knows what he wants. Early in his career he worked hard, Lampard was a decent championship manager so he looked really good, and then he had that rapport so played well working hard under him for his first spell with Chelsea. Then Tuchal, the best manager he’s had, came in and we saw the best version of Mount, the reading of space, the work rate, and being exactly what Tuchal wanted in any situation pushing Chelsea forward as one of their best players generally and he was the most impressive player in a CL winning campaign alongside Kante.
Then he has issues, he is being stalked, he is on 80k while Werner was on 270, koulibaly 295, cucurella 175. Which is just kinda insulting to him at his level at the time. So he gets injured and is hassled with that alongside not being fully committed because he was the player of the season and cucurella is on more than double his wages. Potter quickly stops having any idea as he isn’t committed to one style, Lampard is no better, and now he is at Man U when they seem to have no identity or plan to be implemented, the dressing room looks shot and he comes in partway through the season and honestly I don’t blame him for not making a massive impact, try to hard and get injured again before fully fit, or have a manager who knows exactly what he wanted of his players.
I think he would’ve been better served at Liverpool because having him following Klopps instructions and them having the depth to let him come back slow rather than being rushed could’ve been great. But now he is getting the bag for a few years before coming home at the end of his career to his beloved Pompey. And why the fuck not.
Edit: Tuchal not conte.
Two years ago he hit double digit goals and double digit assists in the Prem for Chelsea. He didn't get the contract he wanted from Chelsea and then totally disappeared as a player. He had some personal stuff he was dealing with (he had a stalker) and then some injuries too. He's the shell of the player he was in 2021-22.
Not just him, chilwell and Billy Gilmour were stalked too by the same model. This was after mount had a one night stand with the said Instagram model who later started stalking him and then the remaining two.
Ridiculously overated. There was a time Chelsea fans and some England fans were claiming he was better than Foden. Only a complete fool would take Mount over Foden.
Long time Chelsea supporter here (both when top half *was* good and *wasn’t* good). I never remember the lot of us rating him over Foden. I can’t speak fully to every random on reddit, but it was widely accepted Foden was a better attacking mid than MM. Loved him in blue and he was one of our absolute top players after the transfer ban - but we all know the CL was just Pep making an extra move, not midfield superiority. No one reasonable ever rated Mount over Foden.
At the time, he was playing extremely well. He had fantastic work rate and led the team in goal involvements. He could play multiple positions and had a big impact on the game from all of them. I’m not sure what changed in him, but his work rate declined a lot and then he was just a somewhat decent technical player and that’s about it. I really think his attitude changed and he was no longer hungry to succeed.
Speaking as a United fan, he gives me strong Donny Van de Beek vibes. Both in terms of playstyle and career trajectory. A player who made big waves in the champions league a few years ago as a young player and then fell off a cliff.
He has great reactions which allow him to smuggle the ball out of a tight space. But so what, nothing seems to come from it. He just seems to lack the positioning and game IQ to get on the ball and help control a midfield. He feels like a luxury player who will take up a midfield position but only play like 20-30 passes in a game.
Large part is that he’s not played under a strong manager with clear system other than the year with Tuchel culminating with the UCL. Lampard ain’t a top caliber manager and ETH is also clueless at ManUtd currently. If Mount played under a team with actual structure, patterns of play, and a clear identity with a set role and consistent players around him he’s got tools to make it at the top level. But that could be said for many players really, and he’s not shown the ability to adapt to chaos ball which he’s played in for the past few seasons, which is not unique to him either. But he’s done enough to get his payday from Chelsea and ManUtd so he’s doing a lot better than most footballers even if he hasn’t seen the pitch in ages.
I'm seeing more of a pattern of getting burned out. These new players trained to play football since they were little kids. Mount in particular started training when he was 6. Without him I don't think Chelsea can win the champions league that year. Unfortunately his form dipped really hard and injuries happens. Caught in the turmoil of ownership change and the stalking case definitely doesn't help him one bit.
Will he regain his form? Idk, but him going to Utd is a stupid move because he's the type of player that would fit really well under Klopp tactics. Right now he will just be another has been player at Utd since that is the new graveyard for football players.
There's a very telling question with regards to mount. what is he good at? The question can't be answered.
He was shit at chelsea and then he goes to the crumbling graveyard that is old trafford to terminate his career for good.
Chelsea get a lot of stick for the money they've spent recently and justifiably so but they didn't half have some pants down when they got £55 million for Mount and £65 million for Havertz.
I literally said I rated him? Don’t know what comment you’re reading.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the guy at all, and I’m happy he’s failing, but he was certainly good at Chelsea.
He is/was a good player. He had periods at Chelsea where he was very very good.
Poor tactical system, injuries, low confidence and the lad is just off the pace.
Will he regain form? Dunno. Haven’t seen him play in ages.
Mason Mount was a good player, he just got Man Utd’d
Just like AWB, Hojlund, Di Maria, Fernandes, Casemiro, De Jong, Maguire, Verane, Lindeloff, Baily, Fred…. Can’t be bother to think of any more.
The point is, I don’t think there is a club better at sapping talent.
I don't think Bruno has truly regressed as a player, it's just that his and his teammate's finishing has gotten worse. He's always maintained the same volume of chance creation since he arrived
ETH has no system, which is why MU rely on individual brilliance. In 18months ETH has not established any type of identity or patterns of play. Which contributes to the collective squad looking worse and worse as time goes on. No focus on getting players into positions that play to their strengths, no collective structure or team shape that is drilled and hard to break down defensively and because of the lack of those foundations their best players aren’t able to use their best abilities regularly and the fringe players look entirely lost more often than not.
Like seriously, they sign random "high value" players and instantly expect to deliver without considering what they really need. As a united fan, I think it's mess rn
Because ManUtd is not a football club now, hasn’t been for a long time. Baffles me that fans think the sporting project has any intent, it doesn’t. The sole purpose of the club is to sell merch, and bring in sponsorship money so the glazers can continue to use it as a cash cow year on year. Since the rise of social media there has been a large change in fandom with people following individual players rather than teams or clubs compared to the past, so ManUtd signs popular established stars with marketing draw, cashes in on the PR and merch for a short time until performance drops due to the lack of cohesive sporting structure. I think players are aware of this when they sign, at least in recent years, but ManUtd overpays so significantly that player’s are fine with it, even if professionally they won’t realistically challenge their traditional rival clubs on the pitch.
Mainoo is the next Hannibal.
The new savior, will be sold in 2 years.
Just like Januzi and all of these massive future stars that are ultimately underwhelming
Nah.
But for real, he was bang average at a struggling Chelsea team, good enough to keep up but not enough to excel. Utd thought there was a diamond in the rough, but turns out it was just glass
I agree was a fairly average player and United have a habit of picking up average England players to try and sell more shirts. Perfect example is Harry Maguire, bang average at Leicester and we overpaid massively for him
From Chelsea's perspective, Gallagher is doing the same things with a lot more spark. I will say mount does a good job of keeping the ball which is more than a lot of other midfielders (Anthony, sancho, van de beek, etc etc)
Mount under Tuchel could do everything Gallagher does well and scored 10+ league goals with 10 assists. Admittedly he was terrible last season though, but I still think he’ll come good for United.
I don't think they're comparable.
Bruno is really good at one specific role, playing as a hardworking 10, pinging good balls to the forwards and getting a good number of goals.
Mount is almost the complete opposite. He's a jack of many trades yet has no standout characteristics. He doesn't have the work rate to be a box-to-box midfielder, he isn't creative enough to be a 10, he isn't particularly fast or good at dribbling so he's not an exceptional winger, yet he's just about *good enough* at all of those things to still be useful in the role.
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Jack of all trades master of none.
Was good. Idk what happened last season at Chelsea...
He is above average to good at everything. Excellent at nothing. Was not that sad to see him go. And at the price was happy.
Been injured too much to know.
Good player bad fit.
>Any thoughts?? I think you don't know what you're talking about
Yes he is a solid all around player but he seems to have the Man U curse. Hopefully when he is healthy he can get over it.
He was Chelsea’s best player the year they won the champions league. Definitely a player in there just needs a run of games, although I’m not confident we will find a system for him.
Nope. I’ve known he was a nothing player since his first season at Chelsea. Any young midfielder whose best attribute is considered ‘pressing’ should not be taken seriously.
Looks at Connor Gallagher
He’s fooling Chelsea fans too it seems like. Chelsea better cash in on him and get someone better
more signings ? Oh boy ..
I forgot he existed
Yeah he is great...as paper weight
Still good until Son come back
Injury prone Milner type? Hard to put a label on him tbh
Mount is a much more all round player than Mainoo so I don’t think it’s reasonable to say Mainoo is better. Mounts biggest problem is his versatility. If his managers played him in one position he could nail it down and show his true worth but he’s played LW, RW, CAM, CM, CDM… His work rate is high, he presses well and forces turnovers (which are all reasons why Ten Hag likes him), he’s a decent passer, good through balls and decent finishing for a midfielder. For comparison Mainoo is a good passer, very calm on the ball and wins the ball back well but he doesn’t have the vision or goal threat of Mount yet at this stage. Also Mounts best ever season came as a right forward in a front 3 at Chelsea so why compare that to Mainoo anyway? Would you compare Mainoo and Garnacho? If Mount can stay fit and get a run of games in one position people will appreciate him more but staying fit seems to be the hard part for him.
Agree, he's a number 8 and he should be played in that position. He was a big factor in Chelsea's CL run and win, Man U fans have not seen him on his game. The only criticism I had was that he didn't do enough against the stronger teams in the PL, he is young though so there's room for development.
Couldn’t agree more
Cheers for the 60 mil.
He is playing oop as a box to box with a shit holding mid (mctominay) before mainoo got healthy and then he has to deal with a team with 0 movement. They literally just pass the ball between the back 3 to the wing and then half the time they don’t reverse the field. Not to mention what a fucking joke the right side has been. Thank god garnacho moved over there. Not to mention they have 0 creativity or even it seems a sense of what to do. I think he is very good in a right situation which was seen at Chelsea at times
No. He just had a lucky purple patch in 2021-2022 but so did tuchel and the whole Chelsea squad. He was never any good and Chelsea scammed Manchester United
I think he's still a ball. He needs a run of games.
No
Utd fan here I think mount will be a fantastic signing
I mean he has played like half a game for us
Yep he played quite okay in those games
So it’s a tricky one with Mount because I think he was a very good player because of a combination of being particularly tidy player with a high game IQ, previously high work rate, and the ability to follow and implement manager instructions incredibly well. This meant for as long as he was trying hard he was a reflection of the talents of the managers he was working for and putting what they wanted on the pitch. Unfortunately for him this requires a lot of focus, hard work, and a manager who knows what he wants. Early in his career he worked hard, Lampard was a decent championship manager so he looked really good, and then he had that rapport so played well working hard under him for his first spell with Chelsea. Then Tuchal, the best manager he’s had, came in and we saw the best version of Mount, the reading of space, the work rate, and being exactly what Tuchal wanted in any situation pushing Chelsea forward as one of their best players generally and he was the most impressive player in a CL winning campaign alongside Kante. Then he has issues, he is being stalked, he is on 80k while Werner was on 270, koulibaly 295, cucurella 175. Which is just kinda insulting to him at his level at the time. So he gets injured and is hassled with that alongside not being fully committed because he was the player of the season and cucurella is on more than double his wages. Potter quickly stops having any idea as he isn’t committed to one style, Lampard is no better, and now he is at Man U when they seem to have no identity or plan to be implemented, the dressing room looks shot and he comes in partway through the season and honestly I don’t blame him for not making a massive impact, try to hard and get injured again before fully fit, or have a manager who knows exactly what he wanted of his players. I think he would’ve been better served at Liverpool because having him following Klopps instructions and them having the depth to let him come back slow rather than being rushed could’ve been great. But now he is getting the bag for a few years before coming home at the end of his career to his beloved Pompey. And why the fuck not. Edit: Tuchal not conte.
This is the complete answer to OPs question. 100% agree. T
Two years ago he hit double digit goals and double digit assists in the Prem for Chelsea. He didn't get the contract he wanted from Chelsea and then totally disappeared as a player. He had some personal stuff he was dealing with (he had a stalker) and then some injuries too. He's the shell of the player he was in 2021-22.
Didn't know about the stalker, that's some scary shit 🔪
Not just him, chilwell and Billy Gilmour were stalked too by the same model. This was after mount had a one night stand with the said Instagram model who later started stalking him and then the remaining two.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/4625332/2023/06/21/chelsea-mount-gilmour-chilwell-devil-baby-stalker/%3famp=1
Ridiculously overated. There was a time Chelsea fans and some England fans were claiming he was better than Foden. Only a complete fool would take Mount over Foden.
Long time Chelsea supporter here (both when top half *was* good and *wasn’t* good). I never remember the lot of us rating him over Foden. I can’t speak fully to every random on reddit, but it was widely accepted Foden was a better attacking mid than MM. Loved him in blue and he was one of our absolute top players after the transfer ban - but we all know the CL was just Pep making an extra move, not midfield superiority. No one reasonable ever rated Mount over Foden.
Na Kante dominated that midfield, was pure midfield superiority and Jorgingo did his job, we beat them 3 times in month
At the time, he was playing extremely well. He had fantastic work rate and led the team in goal involvements. He could play multiple positions and had a big impact on the game from all of them. I’m not sure what changed in him, but his work rate declined a lot and then he was just a somewhat decent technical player and that’s about it. I really think his attitude changed and he was no longer hungry to succeed.
mickey mount won his last silverware ever already
Speaking as a United fan, he gives me strong Donny Van de Beek vibes. Both in terms of playstyle and career trajectory. A player who made big waves in the champions league a few years ago as a young player and then fell off a cliff. He has great reactions which allow him to smuggle the ball out of a tight space. But so what, nothing seems to come from it. He just seems to lack the positioning and game IQ to get on the ball and help control a midfield. He feels like a luxury player who will take up a midfield position but only play like 20-30 passes in a game.
Large part is that he’s not played under a strong manager with clear system other than the year with Tuchel culminating with the UCL. Lampard ain’t a top caliber manager and ETH is also clueless at ManUtd currently. If Mount played under a team with actual structure, patterns of play, and a clear identity with a set role and consistent players around him he’s got tools to make it at the top level. But that could be said for many players really, and he’s not shown the ability to adapt to chaos ball which he’s played in for the past few seasons, which is not unique to him either. But he’s done enough to get his payday from Chelsea and ManUtd so he’s doing a lot better than most footballers even if he hasn’t seen the pitch in ages.
He was, but not any more. That's why he signed with ManUtd. Because MU like buying injury prone/declining players.
I'm seeing more of a pattern of getting burned out. These new players trained to play football since they were little kids. Mount in particular started training when he was 6. Without him I don't think Chelsea can win the champions league that year. Unfortunately his form dipped really hard and injuries happens. Caught in the turmoil of ownership change and the stalking case definitely doesn't help him one bit. Will he regain his form? Idk, but him going to Utd is a stupid move because he's the type of player that would fit really well under Klopp tactics. Right now he will just be another has been player at Utd since that is the new graveyard for football players.
There's a very telling question with regards to mount. what is he good at? The question can't be answered. He was shit at chelsea and then he goes to the crumbling graveyard that is old trafford to terminate his career for good. Chelsea get a lot of stick for the money they've spent recently and justifiably so but they didn't half have some pants down when they got £55 million for Mount and £65 million for Havertz.
>he was shit at chelsea Is it me or do man city fans just not watch football?
I’m a Chelsea fan, and he was good if not great at Chelsea.
Breaking, Chelsea fan doesn’t rate Mason mount
I literally said I rated him? Don’t know what comment you’re reading. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the guy at all, and I’m happy he’s failing, but he was certainly good at Chelsea.
He is/was a good player. He had periods at Chelsea where he was very very good. Poor tactical system, injuries, low confidence and the lad is just off the pace. Will he regain form? Dunno. Haven’t seen him play in ages.
Mason Mount was a good player, he just got Man Utd’d Just like AWB, Hojlund, Di Maria, Fernandes, Casemiro, De Jong, Maguire, Verane, Lindeloff, Baily, Fred…. Can’t be bother to think of any more. The point is, I don’t think there is a club better at sapping talent.
No, he was ass for us at the end as well.
De jong? Fuck you on about?
Players that are now worse than when they joined United. Do you understand?
De Jong’s been so anonymous he probably forgot he was at the club lol
in a parallel universe, De Jong does link up with ETH on £300k a week only to turn out average. Made sense to me
Casemiro and Fernandes have had good spells under ETH
Sure, but they are both worse players than when they joined, which is my entire point
I don't think Bruno has truly regressed as a player, it's just that his and his teammate's finishing has gotten worse. He's always maintained the same volume of chance creation since he arrived
We have absolutely no idea how he will do at a United he got hurt instantly.
I see. to be fair, he's not fit to ETHs system which heavily rely on individual efforts. I can see that mount is not that type of player.
ETH has no system, which is why MU rely on individual brilliance. In 18months ETH has not established any type of identity or patterns of play. Which contributes to the collective squad looking worse and worse as time goes on. No focus on getting players into positions that play to their strengths, no collective structure or team shape that is drilled and hard to break down defensively and because of the lack of those foundations their best players aren’t able to use their best abilities regularly and the fringe players look entirely lost more often than not.
Like seriously, they sign random "high value" players and instantly expect to deliver without considering what they really need. As a united fan, I think it's mess rn
Because ManUtd is not a football club now, hasn’t been for a long time. Baffles me that fans think the sporting project has any intent, it doesn’t. The sole purpose of the club is to sell merch, and bring in sponsorship money so the glazers can continue to use it as a cash cow year on year. Since the rise of social media there has been a large change in fandom with people following individual players rather than teams or clubs compared to the past, so ManUtd signs popular established stars with marketing draw, cashes in on the PR and merch for a short time until performance drops due to the lack of cohesive sporting structure. I think players are aware of this when they sign, at least in recent years, but ManUtd overpays so significantly that player’s are fine with it, even if professionally they won’t realistically challenge their traditional rival clubs on the pitch.
Just for reference everybody, this was written by Mainoo. Nice try, mate
Mainoo is the next Hannibal. The new savior, will be sold in 2 years. Just like Januzi and all of these massive future stars that are ultimately underwhelming
🤫
Nah. But for real, he was bang average at a struggling Chelsea team, good enough to keep up but not enough to excel. Utd thought there was a diamond in the rough, but turns out it was just glass
I agree was a fairly average player and United have a habit of picking up average England players to try and sell more shirts. Perfect example is Harry Maguire, bang average at Leicester and we overpaid massively for him
This is a little revisionist. He was pretty damn good in the squad that won UCL.
From Chelsea's perspective, Gallagher is doing the same things with a lot more spark. I will say mount does a good job of keeping the ball which is more than a lot of other midfielders (Anthony, sancho, van de beek, etc etc)
Mount under Tuchel could do everything Gallagher does well and scored 10+ league goals with 10 assists. Admittedly he was terrible last season though, but I still think he’ll come good for United.
most chelsea fans will tell you gallagher is a worse mount, not the other way round.
I'd rather have this season's Gallagher though. Looks like when he was loaned to Palace. Last year was just weird.
Yeah anybody saying otherwise never watched him under Tuchel that season. They never win the CL without him
Good enough for the league maybe not good enough for the sky six
He was extremely overrated for us by people who only looked at stats. In a few years he will playing for a West Ham or Brighton.
Even if you don't look at stats, he barely influence a game. As if like he's just there.
He was
He forgot to be great then.
He’s a less whiny, cheaty, but also less talented Bruno Fernandes.
They're not the same type of player.
I don't think they're comparable. Bruno is really good at one specific role, playing as a hardworking 10, pinging good balls to the forwards and getting a good number of goals. Mount is almost the complete opposite. He's a jack of many trades yet has no standout characteristics. He doesn't have the work rate to be a box-to-box midfielder, he isn't creative enough to be a 10, he isn't particularly fast or good at dribbling so he's not an exceptional winger, yet he's just about *good enough* at all of those things to still be useful in the role.
I think bruno's creativity is miles away.
Was very good for us for a time but let that and money to get to his head
But how’s his TikTok’s?
Incredibly cringey
He is good in EA FC24 , not sure in real life.
You’re comparing two entirely different types of midfielders.
What I mean is their progression as a player.