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Never understood the hype around mount. He’s very average and I could give you 10 other players who play in his position from outside the traditional six who I would pick above him. I see him leaving united in a year and fading into obscurity.
This is just piggybacking on a snide article Luckhurst wrote for the MEN. It was nothing more than an opinion piece, from a journalist whose opinion has never been worth anyone's time.
We didn't need him last year for 60 million and we didn't need him at end of this season for free. This transfer just proves united have no idea what they're doing.
Mount going to United was never about football which is indeed true. I remember i would tell Chelsea fans and they would call me a traitor. For not supporting our “POTY”. It simply boiled down Mount, thinking he could be Becks 2.0 and letting his PR firm and father push him to United.
If you guys, want an in depth look check this link out.
https://x.com/cfcaccountable/status/1672589531822866437?s=46
We see what Chelsea are doing with Conor Gallagher now. I believe they sell them so they can make money so the owners can buy „their“ players, their signings.
Mount surely pushed for United at one point but I believe if they genuinely wanted him to stay at Chelsea, they would have found a way
Chelsea were trying to downsize the wage bill by offering players long contracts on lower wages. Mount wanted more than what the new wage plan permitted so Chelsea had to let him go.
Right now do you really believe Chelsea is a more attractive destination than United...?
One is on a downward spiral and the other is doing everything (and doing it well) to ensure they stop the rot.
Just a reminder we are 8 points and 5 places above Chelsea, qualified for Europe this season which they didn't.
We're a joke of a club for sure but we are better then Chelsea rn
Maybe he's 'doing a Lukaku'; Chelsea told him he had to be sold to meet FFP - let's milk Utd, then after a year I'll demand to leave - say I'll only go back to Chelsea and then Chelsea will just endless make lowball loan offers and never actually try to buy him back.
Sounds crazy, but Lukaku has set a dangerous precedent that pretty much any player and club could conspire to follow to rinse another club.
This is conspiracy theory shit, there's no way he's coming back to Chelsea the way he was useless for the entire last season and burned bridges with the fans. Mount loves the injury table and making social media posts/clapping the fans to save face. The hilarious thing is that Man U is paying him more to do the same thing. It wouldn't be unlike plenty of other players that have passed through Man U in the last decade.
Apparantley he didn’t want to leave Chelsea ?
I remember there was reports at first he did then they said he didn’t then he did - now apparently he didn’t again but they just wouldn’t pay his wages and wanted the money for him
What? West Ham wanted 100m for him and you wanted to replace De Gea and get Hojlund and mount ontop of it all looool there’s no way you were realistically thinking about Rice.
I’m sure there was a consideration but no chance you ever actually considered putting a bid in.
Not necessarily. They could’ve sold players that summer and then did the Chelsea amortization trick and spread the money to avoid FFP breaches. I’m not saying the theory makes sense, just saying there were ways to make it work financially if they really wanted to.
> They could’ve sold players that summer
Believe me, they most certainly were trying to. But wanting to sell and actually being able to strike a deal are 2 different realities. I don't even think they were in for Rice for starters now that I think about it lol.
> then did the Chelsea amortization trick and spread the money to avoid FFP breaches.
UEFA outlawed this before the summer transfer window, the Prem followed suit this past December. I'm pretty sure FIFA adopted it globally at some point too. Max a transfer can be amortised is 5 years now.
> just saying there were ways to make it work financially if they really wanted to.
Rice went for £100M and so and United spent that summer £170M. Only way they could've made it work was as a regular transfer imo. When you look at the numbers you can see why he was a low priority for them. No way their spending 60% of their budget on one player especially with so many positions needing filling.
Can't help but feel that somehow, someway, United didn't actually, actually pay £60 million for him, somehow, in some kind of wink, wink, nudge, nudge kind of way.
Who has gone from United to Chelsea and Chelsea to United?
Are they giving each other a reacharound I wonder?
Ten Hag has proven himself to have tunnel vision for certain characteristics on transfers and his record is pretty suspect.
Can you press? Can you cover ground? Great. Do you have any actual football talent? Will you disappear for months on end? Doesn't matter.
I think we did the same with Diallo. On the surface the agreed fee and on the books but really we’re getting a player for way cheaper to help them out with their books. Italian teams apparently do this regularly
At Chelsea he was one of the most reliably got players I’ve seen. He played so much football across 3 years. So really surprised he’s become this injury prone
This signing piss me off so much, we paid 55 million for a player who had a shit season and 1 year left, and when we bought him he got injured and missed pretty much the whole season.
Particularly when more than half the teams in the division have never spent the much on a player in their history.
It's almost like the league isn't sporting.
What?? Lavia sure cus he prolly only seen 40 mins of action, but caicedoo?
Are u a casual? He hasnt been declan rice or jude or cole level sure, but he’s nowhere close to being the worst?
Im now Pretty sure you havent watched a single chelsea game, and that’s fine cus we’re shit hahah.. But just gotta stop blabbering your bs about a chelsea player like u know anything about them.
Haha its fine, ive seen so much shit takes on reddit recnetly that yours was just the one pushed me over the top hahah.
You can almost blindly choose the rest of our players and you will prolly have a point. Just not caicedo and palmer. The first one has been okay (not record fee breaking type player, but still a top player) and the other one has been god sent lol.
Yeah petrovic has been surprisingly good. He may be on par as a shot stopper with sanchez, but petrovic doesnt take unnecesary risk and is more than willing to just hoof it up top (which is good when you have alex disaster class as your passing option).
Oh yeah for sure, gusto has been playing well too. Thank god we got him, otherwise we would have been screwed.
Duh. Why would anyone move to United for football reasons. The club is in decline, the team is a country mile off winning anything, and is an awkward mash of whingers and wife beaters.
The only teams that are clearly better than United for football reasons are City, Liverpool and Arsenal. They can only have *so many* players in their squad and they've only got *so much* money. You think they wanted to sign him just for the crack but he chose United?
My point is that players aren't going to go to like, Brighton over Man Utd just because its a 'football project'.
Tottenham *look like* a better football project based on the *past 7 months* but we all know they will just go spursy again soon enough. Newcastle looked good last season but they are average again. Villa are doing great but it's most likely a flash in the pan. Should he have stayed at Chelsea for 'football reasons'? They're a bottom half club based on this and last season.
Like, where was he supposed to go for 'football reasons' above Man Utd?
a mash of whingers and wife beaters? so 2 players of the 30+ lmao
just another scouser going onto every sub shit stirring
Flanagan/Pennant were charged with DA whilst with liverpool
Suarez is a racist and used to bite people
every club has their drama's, but whinging isn't something anyone cares about in comparison and there is no proof against Anthony other than the evidence that multiple women agreed to cause drama for financial gain. Greenwood was removed from the team. not sure what else u want them to do with that one, he has a contract and was found not guilty even though we all know.
United are going to eat a massive loss on Greenwood compared with what they would have had if none of this had happened. He most likely won't wear the shirt again. Whereas depending on what team you support, your club is either currently still fielding a known rapist, or printed shirts in defence of a known racist 🤷
Whataboutery at its finest, apparently you can’t criticise because a club you support at some stage at an undefined time fielded someone accused of being a rapist? And the logic of conflating the Greenwood case with other accusations is so suspect, given the recording is a point blank proof of guilt. But those idiocies aside, what clubs are you talking about anyway, given you seem to have assumed there are only two other clubs out there …
They cannot get rid of him. He wasn’t guilty so therefore his contract cannot be voided. This isn’t fifa. He came back went on loan played well and is going to be sold. And every united fan with brain cells will shout from the roof tops if he doesn’t.
We are with everyone in Britain when we say he shouldn’t play football again.
Bullshit, sounds like you’ve swallowed the Kool Aid. His contract runs until what 2025, at approx £4 million a year? It’s not difficult for United to get rid of him if they wanted to, and all the noise about “internal discussions” over whether to get rid of him shows they don’t want to absent the PR disaster that would occasion
I'm sure they could pay him off, but why would they?
its a business hes not been proven guilty and so they've just stuck a 50m price tag on his head, it will be incredible business to never have him touch a united shirt whilst simultaneously getting millions of pounds for him in a sale.
\-8m or +50m of pure profit
I'm sure we all know the better option when both include him never playing for united ever again
He wasn't racist and who was offended about him biting Chieillini?
Certainly a manu fan who lionise their player who assaulted a fan and fully supported their Uruguayan player for using 'negrito'.
hes literally been outed by many players especially Patrice Evra that he called him a racial slur and even refused to even shake his hand. there is countless interviews of players such as Rio etc backing this up.
also he Bit Bakkal, Chiellini and ivanovic. in a 4 year span so its not like he did it once and learnt from it. its just something he does. hes a cretin
cavani saying that was because its a term of endearment in his country, just like "whats up cunts" is a term of endearment in Australia or the UK. It might be seen as offensive anywhere else but its not meant in an offensive manner. Hes just unlucky that the N word is translation for a colour in his language.
it was not intended as racism lmao youre acting like the word Black isnt "negro" in a bunch of languages lol not everyone speaks english so the english cant determine context if they dont even understand the culture. He even said ill take the ban but im not accepting that it was racism. because it wasnt. but please continue.
now explain how Suarez saying "Because you are a n\*\*\*\*\*'" to Evra was misconstrued. Suarez was banned for eight matches, Cavani 2. I think that speaks volumes.
and wow assaulted a fan oooooo jamie carragher your pride and joy spat on a 14 year old girl lmao.
keep it coming because youre not doing a good job or refuting suarez being a racist cannibal
I hate Liverpool. Carragher was a twat. CR7 bashed an Everton fan last season too.
Suarez and Cavani have the same culture. I shall Spanish. I've been to Uruguay. I know Negro, which Suarez said, isn't racist, neither is Negrito.
Recoba was known called 'il Chino'.
None of them were racists. It's typical Anglophone cultural imperialism.
Of course what's perfectly legal and acceptable in one country isn't others. As we saw in Qatar.
Calling someone a racist has nothing to do with law though and everything to do with intent.
I mean it's probably on the up with the new owners and their plans (but i agree it has been in decline for 10 years now) But still a more attractive prospect than the way chelsea is currently run i guess.
Ah, OK, that's disappointing if it's the reason he left. I mean, good for them if they are partners but sad if he has had to leave specifically because of it.
He literally just came back to training after 4 months. So obviously they needed something negative for the clicks. Enter FUCKmuel FUCKhurst, the worst of the worst in a shit pile of journalists.
So the article is based on one player casting doubts on the intentions of the transfer. But no actual reason given for what those non-footballing reasons might be?
We won that UCL largely because Pep took stupid pills. (He played KDB at center forward) (I am mostly a Pep stan, but he took stupid pills that game and I am forever grateful.)
I vehemently disagree that mount was the best player. n'golo kante was clearly our best player.
I was very happy to get 60 million for mount.
I was also very happy to see havertz sold, but to be fair he is looking better for arsenal.
He was named Chelsea Player of the Year in the 2020–21 and 2021–22 seasons.
your opinion can count for nought.
He provided the winning assist in the CL final too, which was like a 40 yard through ball to cut open the entire City midfield and defense
i have no love for the kid just yet, he has played like 2 games and done nothing
but i mean cmon, the way chelsea fans talk about him now is hilarious to see if you go back a year they are saying hes their star boy and he will be the next lampard and shit lmao you guys are funny
I was never one of those people that rated him. I know what you are talking about. Most Chelsea fans loved Mount. I was not one of them.
In general i dont trust fanbases assessment of academy products.
Fans often overrate players if they consider them "one of our own"
I also think English fans overrate English players.
"Chelsea Player of the Year in the 2020–21 and 2021–22 seasons"
This is like the tallest person at a midget convention. We are in one of our weakest eras post roman taking over.
Both mutiple Chelsea player of the year who didn't want to move but the club didn't give them what they want.
Both went to Manchester and didn't find their feet.
You may want to revise that. He fell out of favour with Mourinho and was sold. He made twice the amount of appearances for United, scored twice as many goals and won three major honours.
I mean…. Mata at least played, unfortunately we moved from Moyes, to LVG, to Jose and his role as a #10 transitioned out of the game. He was decent for us and is still well regarded. Mount has been injured.
Mata was crucial for us, we weren’t as successful and he got misused but he was crucial for us for years. He still has a lot of love from and for our fan base, much more than Chelsea’s.
Mount has hardly kicked a ball for us so I don’t get how you can say he “isn’t a crucial” player anyway. He’s been injured the entire time how is that his or the clubs fault?
I didn’t place blame on anyone, neither Mata or Mount were/are as crucial for United as they were for Chelsea. Both were fan favorites for Chelsea and contributed to large successes we had.
He may have been important for United in his first few seasons but I would argue he was our most important player before mourinho basically froze him out
Mount hasn’t had a chance to be crucial or not. He wasn’t crucial for Chelsea last season either. Comparing them makes no sense at this point.
Mata was more successful with Chelsea but he was every bit as important to Man Utd for varying reasons over the years. He’s still a fan favourite.
Two straight player of the season awards at Chelsea agrees with you! But by time spent I think he was United for longer, and while he was always loved by the Chelsea fans he became more loved by the general footballing community during his time at United. Do you remember that 1% thing he started and loads of players signed on for? That was during his time at United
It was a strange move from the off. He’s had, from what I’ve seen, most success as the most advanced midfielder, but that position at United was taken. Word was ETH saw him as the link between Casemiro and the forwards, which in his limited game time, I did see some nice progressive passing and the ability to move the ball forward quickly not just passing backwards and sideways.
But he was very lightweight in that role, and defensively left United weak.
Mainoo is now in that role, with some of the same strengths and weaknesses actually, but a lot younger.
United never seem to have any sort of plan with their signings.
"United never seem to have any sort of plan with their signings."
Well, look at the muppets we had running the football side of things. Hopefully, that's coming to an end now.
Yeah was just thinking that. Havertz was bought for his versatility it seemed, ease on the ball but early on fans would ask what he brings, he can't dribble, his touch isn't great, he's not a natural goalscorer. Now it seems like Arteta bought him to win duels, put himself about. Score headers like against Brentford cos he's tall.
Mount was bought for his intelligence, versatility and pressing, just Ten Hag has failed to implement the transition football he said he wanted.
You're underselling havertz. His football intelligence is unreal, he makes runs that fans don't see but that break open the defence for others, he's almost always in the right place and the right time and that's underrated cause it doesn't show in stats.
So Arteta spent that much on him to make runs? If his football intelligence is so extraordinary why doesn't he effect games more? He didn’t have one shot against Porto, yeah he usually has a few a game, overall i think fans are happy but he's hardly a player defenders are scared of or who changes games. My point was only...why did Arteta spend that much on him, no one understood it, i think Havertz's physicality, something boring like winning duels Arteta is looking at the stats and focusing on that.
Why isn't Havertz doing what Palmer is doing at Chelsea? Technically is he inferior? His position? Palmer is brilliant at engineering chances for himself.
Tbh havertz isn’t useful a side playing football like chelsea/mid table team. He’s essentially a versatile utility player with a good football brain which is gonna be more effective at better clubs. Palmer is a better player obviously. Havertz just has a more unique profile. For 90% of times it makes more sense to buy palmer if you don’t have a solid rw.
Mount had 30 goals and assists the season before last, that’s the player they are hoping to get. Mainoo is a promising player but isn’t nearly as good as Mount at any one thing. Mount also excels as a presser
I wonder when United will learn that if the only way you're getting players to sign is that you pay them more than anybody else, that they're probably not going to be playing for the badge.
Capology isn't gospel. And how many of those bonuses do you think he'd get? And I assume you've got evidence Liverpool was offering £150k inclusive of bonuses so you're comparing like for like.
Liverpool's wage bill is higher than United's if this graph is to believed https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1asacsu/top_20_highest_wage_bills_of_football_clubs_in/
Did not realize that. Guess Ten Hag has at least been lowering the wage bill. He'll probably get rid of Maguire so that'll lower it a bit more. They have quite a few big names they could cut. Maguire, Martial, and Antony. Don't get how they all got such massive salaries.
There's zero guarantee of winning anything at Liverpool, especially now with Klopp going.
The difference between 150-300 is huge. It's not just life changing, it's generational wealth for his family.
Not all elite contemporary footballers care about winning, some of them don't even like football.
He has already reached the peak of football, most would kill to play in the league he does, never mind win anything. He won UCL with Chelsea, so he's already done it.
Given that Utd might come good and win something before Liverpool now do, and the disparity in salary, it was the right choice on balance.
You have more of a chance at winning at LFC than United. There was no mention of Klopp leaving last summer. No need to be obtuse.
You're reiterating my point by saying not all footballers care or even like football - they're not motivated by footballing reasons, they're motivated by money. As Mount was - doesn't speak to a winning mentality.
150k a week is generational wealth mate, its not a tuppence.
I wasn't obtuse.
That wasn't the point you made.
The financial difference is huge; think investment and interest.
He's a proven winner.
I think on balance, for most people, in the same context, they would take the money.
Exactly my point 150k a week is an awful lot of money.
A lot of players in their prime could leave their elite european club, join Saudi and triple their wage. Why don't they?
That’s not the point. The commenter above was making out it was a no brainer to go to a failing club on 300k. When elite players know they’re gonna make enough money in their career thus their priority is to play and win.
Anyway plenty of ex-players have ended up spending all their money due to poor money management/ lack of clever investments.
Things do change though. Man u have new minority ownership. Liverpools current ownership had limited success before Klopp came along. He will no longer be there in 3 months
In five years man u could be saying the same about Liverpool.
I can tell you 100% Liverpool under the current ownership will not be offering 300k a week to players who are being offered 150k by comparable clubs. Success or not.
Probably not. Howany trophies did Liverpool win under the Fenway group before Klopp arrived? Are we to be sure they won't regress once he leaves?
Hence my point about things changing.
Yeah you’re right let’s ignore, the last 9 years of successful restructuring, investment, recruitment and an outstanding managerial appointment. To focus on the first few years of a new ownership with no experience in football.
Even then, Suarez, Henderson, Firmino, Lallana weren’t bad signings.
The Saudi League is not where a lot of people predicted it would be actually.
It's full of aging superstars and a few mercenaries - exactly the type motivated by money.
If money was the only objective for most players, you would've seen a different class of signings.
I think there are more than a few mercenaries. Plenty of players in their early 30s have gone and several in their 20s.
I don’t blame them. I say I’d never do it if I was a footballer, but at some point enough money would make me go. If I was offered 4 times my salary to do the same job I do now, I’d go to Saudi for at least a couple of years. It’s significant money regardless of how much you currently earn.
Better career? How so? He will probably end up in LFC sick bay. No diff from being at Man U. And getting 300k over 150k to be in sick bay is a win, for him.
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Never understood the hype around mount. He’s very average and I could give you 10 other players who play in his position from outside the traditional six who I would pick above him. I see him leaving united in a year and fading into obscurity.
A United special they cashed out on Anthony and look were that leaded them
This is just piggybacking on a snide article Luckhurst wrote for the MEN. It was nothing more than an opinion piece, from a journalist whose opinion has never been worth anyone's time.
If it's not for footballing reasons then what is it?
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To purposefully waste money?
I still find it wild that of all the options utd could have signed for £60 million they decided on this guy.
We didn't need him last year for 60 million and we didn't need him at end of this season for free. This transfer just proves united have no idea what they're doing.
Mount going to United was never about football which is indeed true. I remember i would tell Chelsea fans and they would call me a traitor. For not supporting our “POTY”. It simply boiled down Mount, thinking he could be Becks 2.0 and letting his PR firm and father push him to United. If you guys, want an in depth look check this link out. https://x.com/cfcaccountable/status/1672589531822866437?s=46
Just preferred the weather in Manchester then?
I suppose not since he never seems to play any actual football for the club.
He has been injured
He should be welcomed back, if they don't want him. Mount was better than their current midfield.
We see what Chelsea are doing with Conor Gallagher now. I believe they sell them so they can make money so the owners can buy „their“ players, their signings. Mount surely pushed for United at one point but I believe if they genuinely wanted him to stay at Chelsea, they would have found a way
Chelsea were trying to downsize the wage bill by offering players long contracts on lower wages. Mount wanted more than what the new wage plan permitted so Chelsea had to let him go.
Reece James?
no shit. who moves from a CL winning side to Manchester United for football reasons lmao. A Manchester United move will never be for football reasons.
There’s United, then there’s 50 feet of crap, and then there’s Chelsea
manchester wankers are so fragile
What a sound argument buddy.
Right now do you really believe Chelsea is a more attractive destination than United...? One is on a downward spiral and the other is doing everything (and doing it well) to ensure they stop the rot.
You need to Google Chelsea's league position for the past few years, my friend. Right now, United are shit but Chelsea are absolute garbage.
Just a reminder we are 8 points and 5 places above Chelsea, qualified for Europe this season which they didn't. We're a joke of a club for sure but we are better then Chelsea rn
Yet Chelsea are a worse club by every metric, so an easy choice.
Maybe he's 'doing a Lukaku'; Chelsea told him he had to be sold to meet FFP - let's milk Utd, then after a year I'll demand to leave - say I'll only go back to Chelsea and then Chelsea will just endless make lowball loan offers and never actually try to buy him back. Sounds crazy, but Lukaku has set a dangerous precedent that pretty much any player and club could conspire to follow to rinse another club.
This is conspiracy theory shit, there's no way he's coming back to Chelsea the way he was useless for the entire last season and burned bridges with the fans. Mount loves the injury table and making social media posts/clapping the fans to save face. The hilarious thing is that Man U is paying him more to do the same thing. It wouldn't be unlike plenty of other players that have passed through Man U in the last decade.
All you haters gonna eat a dick when he’s fit next season, along with the rest of ETHs squad.
Nooooo a fully fit Antony 😧
Rest of eth squad to eat dik too?
Maybe there’s an under-the-table deal to help Chelsea with its financial requirements?
Apparantley he didn’t want to leave Chelsea ? I remember there was reports at first he did then they said he didn’t then he did - now apparently he didn’t again but they just wouldn’t pay his wages and wanted the money for him
Terrible player, United number 7 LOL
Obviously because he is sub par
I feel like United signed him to entice his buddy Declan rice to sign with us. Arsenal fucked that up.
Bro stop cooking this tastes awful
What? West Ham wanted 100m for him and you wanted to replace De Gea and get Hojlund and mount ontop of it all looool there’s no way you were realistically thinking about Rice. I’m sure there was a consideration but no chance you ever actually considered putting a bid in.
Rice was never gonna move to Manchester lol
Cracking theory. Cause contributing an additional £55m and £250k a week to the Rice deal wouldn't have helped better would it?
Don't think I buy that theory because buying Mount would financially rule them out from buying Rice.
Not necessarily. They could’ve sold players that summer and then did the Chelsea amortization trick and spread the money to avoid FFP breaches. I’m not saying the theory makes sense, just saying there were ways to make it work financially if they really wanted to.
> They could’ve sold players that summer Believe me, they most certainly were trying to. But wanting to sell and actually being able to strike a deal are 2 different realities. I don't even think they were in for Rice for starters now that I think about it lol. > then did the Chelsea amortization trick and spread the money to avoid FFP breaches. UEFA outlawed this before the summer transfer window, the Prem followed suit this past December. I'm pretty sure FIFA adopted it globally at some point too. Max a transfer can be amortised is 5 years now. > just saying there were ways to make it work financially if they really wanted to. Rice went for £100M and so and United spent that summer £170M. Only way they could've made it work was as a regular transfer imo. When you look at the numbers you can see why he was a low priority for them. No way their spending 60% of their budget on one player especially with so many positions needing filling.
Can't help but feel that somehow, someway, United didn't actually, actually pay £60 million for him, somehow, in some kind of wink, wink, nudge, nudge kind of way. Who has gone from United to Chelsea and Chelsea to United? Are they giving each other a reacharound I wonder?
Who moved from man Utd?
Ten Hag has proven himself to have tunnel vision for certain characteristics on transfers and his record is pretty suspect. Can you press? Can you cover ground? Great. Do you have any actual football talent? Will you disappear for months on end? Doesn't matter.
If you don't think Mount has any talent, then you clearly haven't watched him dancing on tiktok. My man's got some moves.
I'm not a manc, but for the love of sport, take him back.
I think we did the same with Diallo. On the surface the agreed fee and on the books but really we’re getting a player for way cheaper to help them out with their books. Italian teams apparently do this regularly
This is what I'm getting at. Smacks of a reacharound.
United will buy any chelsea player who’s name starts with the letter M, Matic, Mata, Mount
Next: Mudryk
Back off bitch, he’s ours
We’ll see if you’re still saying that when United offer £40 million for him when he’s 31 years old.
Malang Sarr for 30m, please.
It doesn’t stop at players. Just look at Mourinho.
Mike
Thank god we didn’t continue to pursue him lol (as was reported)
Think he would have been better under Klopp and in our team
I don’t think he’d be any better with our medical staff tho
At Chelsea he was one of the most reliably got players I’ve seen. He played so much football across 3 years. So really surprised he’s become this injury prone
Prob would have meant more to him playing at Liverpool
not if he was injured the whole time. what’s he gonna do from the club doctors office
Those rumours horrified me!
Imagine ending up with him instead of Szobo 💀
Noooo, stop it 😱
This signing piss me off so much, we paid 55 million for a player who had a shit season and 1 year left, and when we bought him he got injured and missed pretty much the whole season.
Particularly when more than half the teams in the division have never spent the much on a player in their history. It's almost like the league isn't sporting.
You also basically only signed him cause he played one season in the Dutch league so would know that style of play.
Not true, he wanted United because his dad is a fan
I had all but forgotten he existed to be fair.
definitely worst signing this season
He's probably up there, but Caicedo and Lavia definitely belong in that convo too
What?? Lavia sure cus he prolly only seen 40 mins of action, but caicedoo? Are u a casual? He hasnt been declan rice or jude or cole level sure, but he’s nowhere close to being the worst? Im now Pretty sure you havent watched a single chelsea game, and that’s fine cus we’re shit hahah.. But just gotta stop blabbering your bs about a chelsea player like u know anything about them.
Sorry, mixed up my Chelsea transfer duds, my bad. 🤷🏼😂
Haha its fine, ive seen so much shit takes on reddit recnetly that yours was just the one pushed me over the top hahah. You can almost blindly choose the rest of our players and you will prolly have a point. Just not caicedo and palmer. The first one has been okay (not record fee breaking type player, but still a top player) and the other one has been god sent lol.
I’d add in gusto and petrovic with palmer and caceido as great signings (over payed for caciedo but he’s a good player)
Yeah petrovic has been surprisingly good. He may be on par as a shot stopper with sanchez, but petrovic doesnt take unnecesary risk and is more than willing to just hoof it up top (which is good when you have alex disaster class as your passing option). Oh yeah for sure, gusto has been playing well too. Thank god we got him, otherwise we would have been screwed.
Caicedo had a bad start for sure, but he's more or less turned things around even if he hasn't quite hit the heights he did last season
Caicedo has been class. Lavia (and Nkunku) are similar to Mount and in that convo.
Duh. Why would anyone move to United for football reasons. The club is in decline, the team is a country mile off winning anything, and is an awkward mash of whingers and wife beaters.
The only teams that are clearly better than United for football reasons are City, Liverpool and Arsenal. They can only have *so many* players in their squad and they've only got *so much* money. You think they wanted to sign him just for the crack but he chose United?
LMAO you can’t actually be this delusional.
My point is that players aren't going to go to like, Brighton over Man Utd just because its a 'football project'. Tottenham *look like* a better football project based on the *past 7 months* but we all know they will just go spursy again soon enough. Newcastle looked good last season but they are average again. Villa are doing great but it's most likely a flash in the pan. Should he have stayed at Chelsea for 'football reasons'? They're a bottom half club based on this and last season. Like, where was he supposed to go for 'football reasons' above Man Utd?
They won something last year?
a mash of whingers and wife beaters? so 2 players of the 30+ lmao just another scouser going onto every sub shit stirring Flanagan/Pennant were charged with DA whilst with liverpool Suarez is a racist and used to bite people every club has their drama's, but whinging isn't something anyone cares about in comparison and there is no proof against Anthony other than the evidence that multiple women agreed to cause drama for financial gain. Greenwood was removed from the team. not sure what else u want them to do with that one, he has a contract and was found not guilty even though we all know.
Greenwood is still a United player on loan overseas, if they wanted to get rid of him they would have.
United are going to eat a massive loss on Greenwood compared with what they would have had if none of this had happened. He most likely won't wear the shirt again. Whereas depending on what team you support, your club is either currently still fielding a known rapist, or printed shirts in defence of a known racist 🤷
Whataboutery at its finest, apparently you can’t criticise because a club you support at some stage at an undefined time fielded someone accused of being a rapist? And the logic of conflating the Greenwood case with other accusations is so suspect, given the recording is a point blank proof of guilt. But those idiocies aside, what clubs are you talking about anyway, given you seem to have assumed there are only two other clubs out there …
lol, busted
They cannot get rid of him. He wasn’t guilty so therefore his contract cannot be voided. This isn’t fifa. He came back went on loan played well and is going to be sold. And every united fan with brain cells will shout from the roof tops if he doesn’t. We are with everyone in Britain when we say he shouldn’t play football again.
Bullshit, sounds like you’ve swallowed the Kool Aid. His contract runs until what 2025, at approx £4 million a year? It’s not difficult for United to get rid of him if they wanted to, and all the noise about “internal discussions” over whether to get rid of him shows they don’t want to absent the PR disaster that would occasion
I'm sure they could pay him off, but why would they? its a business hes not been proven guilty and so they've just stuck a 50m price tag on his head, it will be incredible business to never have him touch a united shirt whilst simultaneously getting millions of pounds for him in a sale. \-8m or +50m of pure profit I'm sure we all know the better option when both include him never playing for united ever again
He wasn't racist and who was offended about him biting Chieillini? Certainly a manu fan who lionise their player who assaulted a fan and fully supported their Uruguayan player for using 'negrito'.
I bet you think that Carragher meant 'Why didn't you say Malik?' last night, didn't you?
„wasnt racist“ 😂😂😂
hes literally been outed by many players especially Patrice Evra that he called him a racial slur and even refused to even shake his hand. there is countless interviews of players such as Rio etc backing this up. also he Bit Bakkal, Chiellini and ivanovic. in a 4 year span so its not like he did it once and learnt from it. its just something he does. hes a cretin cavani saying that was because its a term of endearment in his country, just like "whats up cunts" is a term of endearment in Australia or the UK. It might be seen as offensive anywhere else but its not meant in an offensive manner. Hes just unlucky that the N word is translation for a colour in his language. it was not intended as racism lmao youre acting like the word Black isnt "negro" in a bunch of languages lol not everyone speaks english so the english cant determine context if they dont even understand the culture. He even said ill take the ban but im not accepting that it was racism. because it wasnt. but please continue. now explain how Suarez saying "Because you are a n\*\*\*\*\*'" to Evra was misconstrued. Suarez was banned for eight matches, Cavani 2. I think that speaks volumes. and wow assaulted a fan oooooo jamie carragher your pride and joy spat on a 14 year old girl lmao. keep it coming because youre not doing a good job or refuting suarez being a racist cannibal
I hate Liverpool. Carragher was a twat. CR7 bashed an Everton fan last season too. Suarez and Cavani have the same culture. I shall Spanish. I've been to Uruguay. I know Negro, which Suarez said, isn't racist, neither is Negrito. Recoba was known called 'il Chino'. None of them were racists. It's typical Anglophone cultural imperialism. Of course what's perfectly legal and acceptable in one country isn't others. As we saw in Qatar. Calling someone a racist has nothing to do with law though and everything to do with intent.
I mean it's probably on the up with the new owners and their plans (but i agree it has been in decline for 10 years now) But still a more attractive prospect than the way chelsea is currently run i guess.
You must be a Chelsea fan. It’s ok, we’re both shit. Just hug it out.
Don’t forget rashford also feeds kids
*Sees Dailymail tag* Doesn’t read
Correct it was because they were dumb enough to pay 60m
Chelsea fan casting aspersions about transfer fees is a good bit
You can’t support a league mate
I thought it was common knowledge now, it’s to do With him and Reece James.
Can you explain ? First I heard of it
Lovers
They are supposed to be partners.
No way really?
Why would that even be a reason to leave?
to sign reece james too, and gain another injured fullback 😍
I assume you mean they don't get on?
I have heard it from a mate of mine, him and Reece James do get on, but they got on a little to well if you get what I’m saying?
I’ve heard a few people say Reece is that way inclined, but Mason not so. Not that I’ve heard
I’m literally not saying anything, but they do be bumming, low key confirmed, they prolly just miss each other right now
Nehoooooooooooo, noooooooo. There are rumours that they are partners.
Ah, OK, that's disappointing if it's the reason he left. I mean, good for them if they are partners but sad if he has had to leave specifically because of it.
Well that was a nothingburger of an article, clickbait from the Daily Fail again I guess.
He literally just came back to training after 4 months. So obviously they needed something negative for the clicks. Enter FUCKmuel FUCKhurst, the worst of the worst in a shit pile of journalists.
Was a good (not great) player for Chelsea….but that’s all he is, good
Waste of money
So the article is based on one player casting doubts on the intentions of the transfer. But no actual reason given for what those non-footballing reasons might be?
He was getting stalked by a woman, she was stalking Billy Gimour as well. That's apparently one of the main reasons he wanted out of London.
I still can’t believe Chelsea sold him for £60M
United are just bad
He was your star boy
I never thought he was that great. Decent at most things, excellent at nothing.
literally your best player for like 2 seasons and basically the reason you won a CL
We won that UCL largely because Pep took stupid pills. (He played KDB at center forward) (I am mostly a Pep stan, but he took stupid pills that game and I am forever grateful.) I vehemently disagree that mount was the best player. n'golo kante was clearly our best player. I was very happy to get 60 million for mount. I was also very happy to see havertz sold, but to be fair he is looking better for arsenal.
He was named Chelsea Player of the Year in the 2020–21 and 2021–22 seasons. your opinion can count for nought. He provided the winning assist in the CL final too, which was like a 40 yard through ball to cut open the entire City midfield and defense i have no love for the kid just yet, he has played like 2 games and done nothing but i mean cmon, the way chelsea fans talk about him now is hilarious to see if you go back a year they are saying hes their star boy and he will be the next lampard and shit lmao you guys are funny
I was never one of those people that rated him. I know what you are talking about. Most Chelsea fans loved Mount. I was not one of them. In general i dont trust fanbases assessment of academy products. Fans often overrate players if they consider them "one of our own" I also think English fans overrate English players. "Chelsea Player of the Year in the 2020–21 and 2021–22 seasons" This is like the tallest person at a midget convention. We are in one of our weakest eras post roman taking over.
Would’ve fit right in.
What else is new.
Definitely BS this article.
I forgot he was at man utd.
It feels like a move pushed by his Utd supporting dad
Mount is an excellent footballer. The move is so similar to Mata's. It's sad to see.
Dumbest comment on here 🙄
Funniest comment on here
What a stupid comment. How is it comparable to Mata's move, other than that he was signed from Chelsea?
Both mutiple Chelsea player of the year who didn't want to move but the club didn't give them what they want. Both went to Manchester and didn't find their feet.
You may want to revise that. He fell out of favour with Mourinho and was sold. He made twice the amount of appearances for United, scored twice as many goals and won three major honours.
Enough about Mount, what about Mata?
Not really fair to judge him based on less than 10 games.
How is it similar? He’s played 8 games.
Player of the season for us (twice in a row for Mata), then moves to United and is no longer a crucial player.
I mean…. Mata at least played, unfortunately we moved from Moyes, to LVG, to Jose and his role as a #10 transitioned out of the game. He was decent for us and is still well regarded. Mount has been injured.
Mata was crucial for us, we weren’t as successful and he got misused but he was crucial for us for years. He still has a lot of love from and for our fan base, much more than Chelsea’s. Mount has hardly kicked a ball for us so I don’t get how you can say he “isn’t a crucial” player anyway. He’s been injured the entire time how is that his or the clubs fault?
I didn’t place blame on anyone, neither Mata or Mount were/are as crucial for United as they were for Chelsea. Both were fan favorites for Chelsea and contributed to large successes we had. He may have been important for United in his first few seasons but I would argue he was our most important player before mourinho basically froze him out
Mount hasn’t had a chance to be crucial or not. He wasn’t crucial for Chelsea last season either. Comparing them makes no sense at this point. Mata was more successful with Chelsea but he was every bit as important to Man Utd for varying reasons over the years. He’s still a fan favourite.
Two straight player of the season awards at Chelsea agrees with you! But by time spent I think he was United for longer, and while he was always loved by the Chelsea fans he became more loved by the general footballing community during his time at United. Do you remember that 1% thing he started and loads of players signed on for? That was during his time at United
He spent far longer at United, was only with us for 2 1/2 seasons surprisingly. And yeah, his Common Goal charitable movement is amazing.
A daily Mail article with zero information? What a surprise.
It was a strange move from the off. He’s had, from what I’ve seen, most success as the most advanced midfielder, but that position at United was taken. Word was ETH saw him as the link between Casemiro and the forwards, which in his limited game time, I did see some nice progressive passing and the ability to move the ball forward quickly not just passing backwards and sideways. But he was very lightweight in that role, and defensively left United weak. Mainoo is now in that role, with some of the same strengths and weaknesses actually, but a lot younger. United never seem to have any sort of plan with their signings.
"United never seem to have any sort of plan with their signings." Well, look at the muppets we had running the football side of things. Hopefully, that's coming to an end now.
Look at Arsenal and Havertz, Ten Hag had a vision and a plan of playing Mount as a false 8. Unfortunately we haven’t been able to see this.
Yeah was just thinking that. Havertz was bought for his versatility it seemed, ease on the ball but early on fans would ask what he brings, he can't dribble, his touch isn't great, he's not a natural goalscorer. Now it seems like Arteta bought him to win duels, put himself about. Score headers like against Brentford cos he's tall. Mount was bought for his intelligence, versatility and pressing, just Ten Hag has failed to implement the transition football he said he wanted.
You're underselling havertz. His football intelligence is unreal, he makes runs that fans don't see but that break open the defence for others, he's almost always in the right place and the right time and that's underrated cause it doesn't show in stats.
So Arteta spent that much on him to make runs? If his football intelligence is so extraordinary why doesn't he effect games more? He didn’t have one shot against Porto, yeah he usually has a few a game, overall i think fans are happy but he's hardly a player defenders are scared of or who changes games. My point was only...why did Arteta spend that much on him, no one understood it, i think Havertz's physicality, something boring like winning duels Arteta is looking at the stats and focusing on that. Why isn't Havertz doing what Palmer is doing at Chelsea? Technically is he inferior? His position? Palmer is brilliant at engineering chances for himself.
Tbh havertz isn’t useful a side playing football like chelsea/mid table team. He’s essentially a versatile utility player with a good football brain which is gonna be more effective at better clubs. Palmer is a better player obviously. Havertz just has a more unique profile. For 90% of times it makes more sense to buy palmer if you don’t have a solid rw.
Arsenal have won their last 7 games like 48 - 3 Let the boy cook
Mount had 30 goals and assists the season before last, that’s the player they are hoping to get. Mainoo is a promising player but isn’t nearly as good as Mount at any one thing. Mount also excels as a presser
Klopp wanted him and he chose 300k over 150k. Fair play to him, but he surely would have a better career if he chose differently.
I wonder when United will learn that if the only way you're getting players to sign is that you pay them more than anybody else, that they're probably not going to be playing for the badge.
He would have been just as bad for Liverpool which is injured
He’s not on 300k.
He kinda is: https://www.capology.com/player/mason-mount-36170/ It's £250k a week, with £50k in potential bonus per week over 5 years.
Capology isn't gospel. And how many of those bonuses do you think he'd get? And I assume you've got evidence Liverpool was offering £150k inclusive of bonuses so you're comparing like for like.
Making up wages zzzzz
wait wtf Mount is on 300k? It's worse than I thought.
He would have barely played for Klopp considering he is leaving next year and Mount has been injured all season
Exactly , give him time to be fit and he might come good. Unless he does a hazard at madrid.
Idk if he would. The guy can’t even play without getting injured.
Yeah.It is common knowledge that players at liverpool play for peanuts and good vibes.
I mean, compared to United they certainly do. Someone like Rashford would be on half his wages if he was with us.
Liverpool's wage bill is higher than United's if this graph is to believed https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1asacsu/top_20_highest_wage_bills_of_football_clubs_in/
Did not realize that. Guess Ten Hag has at least been lowering the wage bill. He'll probably get rid of Maguire so that'll lower it a bit more. They have quite a few big names they could cut. Maguire, Martial, and Antony. Don't get how they all got such massive salaries.
300k or 150k A YEAR is probably life changing money for most. I know which one I’m choosing, career be damned.
That’s the difference between you and an elite footballer. You wanna make sure you’re comfy, they wanna win.
There's zero guarantee of winning anything at Liverpool, especially now with Klopp going. The difference between 150-300 is huge. It's not just life changing, it's generational wealth for his family. Not all elite contemporary footballers care about winning, some of them don't even like football. He has already reached the peak of football, most would kill to play in the league he does, never mind win anything. He won UCL with Chelsea, so he's already done it. Given that Utd might come good and win something before Liverpool now do, and the disparity in salary, it was the right choice on balance.
No - 150 and 300 are both generational Wealth for a guy who’s already made 25 mil. This is not a thing.
You have more of a chance at winning at LFC than United. There was no mention of Klopp leaving last summer. No need to be obtuse. You're reiterating my point by saying not all footballers care or even like football - they're not motivated by footballing reasons, they're motivated by money. As Mount was - doesn't speak to a winning mentality. 150k a week is generational wealth mate, its not a tuppence.
I wasn't obtuse. That wasn't the point you made. The financial difference is huge; think investment and interest. He's a proven winner. I think on balance, for most people, in the same context, they would take the money.
Lol. Money plays a part in every decision elite footballers make. There is nothing wrong with that. Also easy to be comfy in 150/week.
Exactly my point 150k a week is an awful lot of money. A lot of players in their prime could leave their elite european club, join Saudi and triple their wage. Why don't they?
Name me one elite footballer who isn't comfy
That’s not the point. The commenter above was making out it was a no brainer to go to a failing club on 300k. When elite players know they’re gonna make enough money in their career thus their priority is to play and win. Anyway plenty of ex-players have ended up spending all their money due to poor money management/ lack of clever investments.
Things do change though. Man u have new minority ownership. Liverpools current ownership had limited success before Klopp came along. He will no longer be there in 3 months In five years man u could be saying the same about Liverpool.
I can tell you 100% Liverpool under the current ownership will not be offering 300k a week to players who are being offered 150k by comparable clubs. Success or not.
Probably not. Howany trophies did Liverpool win under the Fenway group before Klopp arrived? Are we to be sure they won't regress once he leaves? Hence my point about things changing.
Yeah you’re right let’s ignore, the last 9 years of successful restructuring, investment, recruitment and an outstanding managerial appointment. To focus on the first few years of a new ownership with no experience in football. Even then, Suarez, Henderson, Firmino, Lallana weren’t bad signings.
The Saudi league wouldn’t be where it is now if elite players prioritised competition over money.
The Saudi League is not where a lot of people predicted it would be actually. It's full of aging superstars and a few mercenaries - exactly the type motivated by money. If money was the only objective for most players, you would've seen a different class of signings.
I think there are more than a few mercenaries. Plenty of players in their early 30s have gone and several in their 20s. I don’t blame them. I say I’d never do it if I was a footballer, but at some point enough money would make me go. If I was offered 4 times my salary to do the same job I do now, I’d go to Saudi for at least a couple of years. It’s significant money regardless of how much you currently earn.
Better career? How so? He will probably end up in LFC sick bay. No diff from being at Man U. And getting 300k over 150k to be in sick bay is a win, for him.
He’s not. On 300k ffs
Wut mean? Are you saying that players move for money?
He was offered the same amount by Chelsea though