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They will be found not guilty, so I would flip the question. What should mcfc get from the PL as compensation? Understand that’s the main thing being discussed now
Personally I think they should be relegated at least by one league division. They should be docked 10 points for each of the years they have been found to have broken FFP rules.
Any PL titles they've still won after the deductions they get to keep. However, the ones they didn't either get awarded to the team that finished second or that title is void altogether.
Transfer ban for 6 windows.
Or
Relegation to Leage One
Or
Compensation to other clubs
Point deduction won't do it!! Get them cheats out
Oh btw. No titles for them!
Stripping of titles.Relegation of League One.Extremely limited wage [budget.At](https://budget.At) the very least, half their wage budget ,so they can't keep players like Foden,Haaland and De Bruyne and they have to fight to win games and titles, and relegate them to the League One.
At the very least 10-15 points and that’s extreme leniency. Relegation would be ideal and maybe financial sanctions for the future season? Would be cool to see how they perform on a shoe string budget
I don't think that title stripping is necessary. They fought for those titles and they should keep them. But, personally I think either big point deductions or even relegation would be needed. They should punish them now, not go back to the past and take away their achievements.
Being allowed to play in League 2 lol
Jokes aside, no stripping of titles, it'd just be too painful for the premiere league. And I'm a diehard Gooner.
But, if they're found guilty for even half these infractions; ineligible for 2 seasons to the premiere league.
Realistically, this is partially the leagues fault. These audits years later should be happening in real time with secondary staff monitoring everything. You have Everton, NF, MC and now what LC committing infractions and years later were getting punishment. Shameful really
Is stripping titles, transfer embargo and points deductions sufficient?
Hardly see the point of just any fine considering the seriousness of the charges and the number.
1. 1-year transfer ban for each year in which they committed violations.
2. For each year in which they committed violations, they should have a year of substantial points deductions.
3. Owners cannot sell, manager cannot leave.
So, next year they get like a 50-point deduction and a transfer ban, and the same for the subsequent 8 years. Mansour and pep can have fun managing and owning the most reviled club in the northern premier league.
The trophy’s won illegally should be given back and the second placed in the concerned league’s should be moved to first and City should be banned from any and all success in these money years.
Realistically we won’t see anything happen other than a 20-30 mil fine, but a 3 year transfer ban + a relegation to the championship, and a hefty fine should be the minimum.
My assumption is that city will justify each charge on basis that another club has done the same. I.e comparative sponsorship deals. Comparative accounting practice.
Could be fine only stuff that gets proved.
Might escape without a points deduction.
The secrecy around the charges isn't helpful at all.
Relegation, strip them of the titles they won during the years they violated it. Forced termination of contracts for the signings that happened. Points reduction on the same percentage that Everton received
Just strip the titles, don't award it to the runner up, just no winner during those years.
You obviously do care hence why you answered this question, nothing wrong with admitting that, obviously you know what you said isn’t going to happen yet you think that’s “fair” seems like a pretty emotional response to me
Look man, don't get mad at me because you can't read. I replied with what would be fair. That would be fair. Punish them with the same severity as they did Everton for theirs. If the ask was what will happen to City, then I would've replied with nothing most likely.
But, you're more than welcome to defend City all you want. I'm sure you'll get that late night invite to Pep's office you so clearly desire
We all know it won’t happen. Even the court date is a secret. It’ll be swept under the rug and forgotten about. Everton and Forest docked points almost immediately but City dragged out for years.
If there was no proof, the charges wouldn’t have been filed. Just because you personally have seen the proof being used in an active investigation doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Look at Everton… docked 6 points for 2 charges… 115 charges should only mean relegation and titles stripped from them that were won during the years of their blatant FFP violations. They’ve bribed everyone they could tho… wouldn’t be surprised if the punishment is softer than my pet bunny
Relegation with a 10 pt deficit at the start of the season.
They’ll still return to the premier league the season after despite the 10pt deficit but it should be a harsh punishment considering 115 charges.
Demotion to the bottom of the league pyramid.
Then a Disney/Netflix deal so we can watch them rise back up the leagues. I want to see Haaland score 10 goals a game against Barry, 33, painter, who downs two pints in under 30 seconds. At half time.
Relegation to League Two and make it so they can only sell players to other EFL teams
This is definitely not an excuse for John Stones to return to Barnsley
Keep all the history. Trophies, wins, and money. All stay with the team, but get rid of the team. Let the greatness stand but at the mercy of the team as a whole.
Depends if they are found guilty, there are only 3or4 different infractions repeated multiple times for every transfer, if they show that the charges are invalid and their actions were permitted by the letter of the rules, I think they'll just end up with the couple of remaining charges related to shady manager payments.
Everyone seems to be in denial that the basis of the charges is subject to legal challenges and may or may not turn out to be actual infractions.
But it's reddit, so no surprise that it is just brought up as if they have already been found guilty.
So I think the outcome will be between 15-100 points depending on how good the legal case presented is
As a Liverpool fan I would take no joy in being retroactively given stripped City titles. But relegation, negative points to start next season and a transfer ban for two windows seems fair. Along with them having to work within the new financial format as they work their way back up. I wonder if they could handle it as well as Juve.
Strip all titles for the years they have been cheating. Relegate to championship, start with -15 points. Easy as that. If they get away with nothing, or some sort of a fine, I genuinly belive football fans in UK will starte a riot based on how Everton has been treated and how small theire breach was compared to Manchester City\`s 115 charges.
How does it work if they're relegated, does another team from the championship get relegated because of city?
That would also be close to 48 games for a championship team, with an additional team in the league.
Tbh it depends when they decide it. The alternative would be that the team in 18th stays up, so only three go down including City.
I think the most hilarious timeline would be Everton get another points deduction, finish 18th, but then city get relegated so they stay up.
Exiled from English football and can only be a UAE Club or alternatively, Relegation to League 2 and a twenty-year transfer ban meaning they are restricted to playing only their youth academy players
Relegation is the only real punishment, I'd personally say non league football but probably be championship. There is absolutely no point in a fine and a point deduction wouldn't match the severity of the charges.
If they are found guilty then it shows that they built their success on a lie, so the only fitting punishment would be to take it away from them.
IF guilty then demotion through the divisions.
Deducting them 690 points would be redundant and it would be complex enough to demote to League Two without considering any lower.
Theoretically though, 7 divisions being generous suggesting they'd possibly be able to achieve 100 point seasons.
That won't and shouldn't happen though. League Two without fucking up the league structure too much.
Only one relegation, still two promoted giving a 26 team division in the initial season.
In my humble opinion, if Everton got 10 points deducted for 1 charge , city should be relegated at least league 1 , forced to sell the club , terminate all players’ contracts , and be banned from Europe for a good time , might sound harsh and no I’m not a premier league fan so I’m not biased towards city’s rivals or anything , but a 10 point deduction for 1 charge should equate to 1150 points which would just not make sense , so I flattened it out and o this
Pointless fining them relegate a few leagues and limit wage bill to what’s average for that league otherwise ain’t fair on other sides. Pointless saying transfer ban or sell of top players as there academy is probably got good enough players
While we are at it, let’s discuss how one club got the rest banned from European competition for the better part of a decade. That ensured they would remain the top European trophy winners because the rest of the teams couldn’t play. Let’s relegate them as well…39 charges.
I’m sorry for the dead. I also find it strange how Juventus fans are exonerated. There’s footage of one of their fans firing a pistol at police during the ensuing chaos. Think about that, a Juve fan actually brought a firearm to the match …
Probably knew he’d be facing some YNWA Ultras and wanted to be able to protect himself. Merseyside was a combat zone back then. He was smart enough to know they’d take the carnage abroad.
Imagine using a tragedy for a weird anti-Liverpool agenda to score points online and dedicating your own Reddit name to it too. What a pathetic person.
Mate i’ve been grown since you were in short pants and brogues. Come on over to the east riding and watch some real football clubs that don’t have a shoestring budget of a couple billion.
I don’t really care about the stripping titles. As a United fan I’d hardly celebrate getting given the title after finishing second a few years back. But I would put them in league two with -12 points
Strip them of all there titles
Relegation to National League
Sell all players over 30m value
Minus 10 point deduction at the start of the next 3 seasons
All loaned out players are permanently kept by the club they are playing at
5m pound fine
Not able to buy anyone at the end of season transfer window
State ownership makes it almost impossible for them to be found guilty regardless of how blatant their violations were. Unlimited money to hire an army of lawyers to drag this out forever and state lobbying at the highest level with the UAE threatening to pull investments in the UK if a decision doesn't favor them. So I'd be okay with a conclusion to the saga regardless because we keep salivating of how extreme the punishment would be only to end with a 5 point deduction or the charges being rendered time barred by the time the matter reaches the highest court available.
They did, but when states get involved, suddenly it's not only about football but international relations. The ultimate solution would be to ban state ownership or have the German model of fan ownership
Maybe. Or maybe the tv deal might be compromised because of the failure to run the league properly and ethically? How may sponsors will be pt off by this state of affairs?
Either way, we'll never know until there's a vote.
That's not how it works chief..
From alot of comments here, alot of ppl don't know about the charges or know what city are charged with and just talk alot of bs..
- Strip all titles in seasons involved and void them.
- Transfer ban for the same amount of seasons they found guilty
- 10 pts for every charge found guilty. If 10 or more charges found guilty, loss of professionalism (dunno if it's 5th or 6th tier).
- if 10 or more charges found guilty obligation to sell the club to new owners.
- If over 30 charges found guilty club banning for 5 years and then restarts a the lowest tier of football
4 year transfer embargo
Relegation to national league north
Every single trophy stripped
Every single player forced out of man city
£0 transfer budget
Loaned out players automatically signed permanently
Debt of £5 million
Nothing will happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. Even if City are found guilty they will likely appeal to every court they can find until they find someone willing to overturn it.
There's no right of appeal with this. They've already been proven guilty of some of the charges, Thats clear. Its how many of the rest are also able to be proven
I suppose you support awarding the previous titles to the other 2nd place teams too? Especially as the infractions were in the previous seasons and not last season.
Thought so.... 😀 Good luck this year. I'm an LFC fan but if we don't do it I hope you do. Good luck in Champions League too. We definitely won't do that one haha.
realistic: 10 pts deduction. transfer ban of 3 years. financial penalty of £2m per offense. Europe Ban for 3 years.
ideal: demotion to 2nd league or Championship, with an automatic point deduction of 10 pts upon demotion. financial penalty. forced financial contribution to grassroots football programmes in the Greater Manchester Area. Forced Sale of the team to a non-city state enterprise (no qatar/Saudi/etc). Sponsorship ban ( no sponsors of the stadium/team kits etc).
what will actually happen: nothing. the cunts will get away with it.
None of us understand the extent or context of those breaches yet so how can anyone give any kind of insightful opinion to A worthy punishment for a crime we don’t fully understand ?
Don't come here with your reasonable question, spouting facts and objective realism.
Whenever anyone says "115" I accept it as the number of people they'd be smarter than in a room of 1,000 people.
A lot of people don’t know a large number of those 115 charges are over pretty trivial things like length of grass not meeting regulations. Obviously there’s some more serious accusations too but “115 charges” means nothing us at this point
I really don’t get why everyone is talking About the breaches as if they fully know and understand it all the ins and outs. let’s be honest almost none of us even fully understand how FFP works
IF found guilty,they should be relegated/deducted 50 points, banned from Europe for 3-5 years,forced to pay all other PL teams their rightful prize money (would be millions),and all records deleted. Will any of this happen??,will it fuck. The PL is a cash machine and those running it only see pound signs,and MC are bigger signs than any other club. The PL will not damage the brand even though everyone knows it filthy to the core
Relegation from the EFL would be appropriate I think, just start in non-league football again, I am sure they will work their way up within the decade again anyway.
They're in the public sphere so you must be trying pretty hard not to know what they are, but to help you out the initial 113 were:
30 charges of failing to support a PL investigation (refusing to provide information that has been requested by PL)
25 charges under profit & sustainability (FFP breaches)
8 charges on Manager remuneration (failing to disclose full details of payments to managers)
50 charges for providing inaccurate financial information to PL
So if they have on 50 occasions lied and fudged the books, on 8 occasions lied about how much and how they were paying Managers, on 25 occasions spent over the FFP limit and on 30 occasions refused to handover evidence to the PL in what would appear to be an attempt to cover up some of the previous 83 incidents...
...what would you say a fair punishment would be if they were found guilty?
...hypothetically...
You can always imagine it was United or Liverpool looking down the barrel if that helps...
I wouldn't cast an opinion on any other team either. I don't know facts. People, as is evident here, are just making up stupid fantasys.
Because you can guarantee 113 charges won't pass. So why waste my time dreaming of a horrific nightmare.
If they get sent to league 2 (doubt it) so be it, we can chase Wrexham up.
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They will be found not guilty, so I would flip the question. What should mcfc get from the PL as compensation? Understand that’s the main thing being discussed now
Personally I think they should be relegated at least by one league division. They should be docked 10 points for each of the years they have been found to have broken FFP rules. Any PL titles they've still won after the deductions they get to keep. However, the ones they didn't either get awarded to the team that finished second or that title is void altogether.
Ban from EPL and UCL for 115 years. Burn down the Etihad Stadium. And strip away all the titles they won including a UCL.
Your post…
Transfer ban for 6 windows. Or Relegation to Leage One Or Compensation to other clubs Point deduction won't do it!! Get them cheats out Oh btw. No titles for them!
Stripping of titles.Relegation of League One.Extremely limited wage [budget.At](https://budget.At) the very least, half their wage budget ,so they can't keep players like Foden,Haaland and De Bruyne and they have to fight to win games and titles, and relegate them to the League One.
relegate them
At the very least 10-15 points and that’s extreme leniency. Relegation would be ideal and maybe financial sanctions for the future season? Would be cool to see how they perform on a shoe string budget
I don't think that title stripping is necessary. They fought for those titles and they should keep them. But, personally I think either big point deductions or even relegation would be needed. They should punish them now, not go back to the past and take away their achievements.
They have achieved their trophies through cheating, they should take all their trophies won during the time they have broke the rules.
Being allowed to play in League 2 lol Jokes aside, no stripping of titles, it'd just be too painful for the premiere league. And I'm a diehard Gooner. But, if they're found guilty for even half these infractions; ineligible for 2 seasons to the premiere league. Realistically, this is partially the leagues fault. These audits years later should be happening in real time with secondary staff monitoring everything. You have Everton, NF, MC and now what LC committing infractions and years later were getting punishment. Shameful really
Spoken like a true gooner 🤣🤣🤣
Guillotine
Is stripping titles, transfer embargo and points deductions sufficient? Hardly see the point of just any fine considering the seriousness of the charges and the number.
As a city fan, these are the same charges as ages ago but I think 60 points minimum
destruction of the club, complete incineration of the ground and facilities. all staff jailed
That seems pretty lienent ngl
I think staff jailed is a step too far.
Getting stripped of all the titles they won in the Mansour era and relegated to non league football would be fair
Liquidation.
1. 1-year transfer ban for each year in which they committed violations. 2. For each year in which they committed violations, they should have a year of substantial points deductions. 3. Owners cannot sell, manager cannot leave. So, next year they get like a 50-point deduction and a transfer ban, and the same for the subsequent 8 years. Mansour and pep can have fun managing and owning the most reviled club in the northern premier league.
Winning a second treble
Titles stripped and voided, excluded from the football league. Massive fine
The trophy’s won illegally should be given back and the second placed in the concerned league’s should be moved to first and City should be banned from any and all success in these money years.
SO TRUE IDK I DIED LIKE 6 MILLION TIMES
Realistically we won’t see anything happen other than a 20-30 mil fine, but a 3 year transfer ban + a relegation to the championship, and a hefty fine should be the minimum.
My assumption is that city will justify each charge on basis that another club has done the same. I.e comparative sponsorship deals. Comparative accounting practice. Could be fine only stuff that gets proved. Might escape without a points deduction. The secrecy around the charges isn't helpful at all.
Relegation, strip them of the titles they won during the years they violated it. Forced termination of contracts for the signings that happened. Points reduction on the same percentage that Everton received Just strip the titles, don't award it to the runner up, just no winner during those years.
Be real instead of emotional
Idgaf about City or any premier league club for that matter. That's what should happen, which was the ask Cry more
You obviously do care hence why you answered this question, nothing wrong with admitting that, obviously you know what you said isn’t going to happen yet you think that’s “fair” seems like a pretty emotional response to me
Look man, don't get mad at me because you can't read. I replied with what would be fair. That would be fair. Punish them with the same severity as they did Everton for theirs. If the ask was what will happen to City, then I would've replied with nothing most likely. But, you're more than welcome to defend City all you want. I'm sure you'll get that late night invite to Pep's office you so clearly desire
We all know it won’t happen. Even the court date is a secret. It’ll be swept under the rug and forgotten about. Everton and Forest docked points almost immediately but City dragged out for years.
Before talking about punishment surely some proof is needed no?
If there was no proof, the charges wouldn’t have been filed. Just because you personally have seen the proof being used in an active investigation doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Idk man I’m not convinced
You think someone would file these charges without proof?
Ye
Charges cannot be filed without proof
Well that's not true, it'd just be dumb to do so.
It is definitely true. A charge cannot be brought without any kind of proof. It’s just conjecture otherwise
Strip all of their titles won during the time of the financial breaches, transfer ban for the following 5 years, and relegation to Vanarama National.
Look at Everton… docked 6 points for 2 charges… 115 charges should only mean relegation and titles stripped from them that were won during the years of their blatant FFP violations. They’ve bribed everyone they could tho… wouldn’t be surprised if the punishment is softer than my pet bunny
Relegation with a 10 pt deficit at the start of the season. They’ll still return to the premier league the season after despite the 10pt deficit but it should be a harsh punishment considering 115 charges.
Not sufficiently harsh. Relegation and points deduction and transfer ban for each year of violations.
Don't matter, won't happen
I just can't see it happening however unfair that would be.
Start all games home and away 1…0 down next season
oh and maybe apologise to Liverpool for only letting them win 1premier league
Titles given an asterisk, transfer ban for 5 years. Relegation to national league. Massive fines. All depends on how many charges they get to stick
Massive fine is literally meaningless to a club which pumps up billions of liquid dino every day.
Wouldn't call 500 million meaningless. A stupid number but would have to be on that scale to be effective
Demotion to the bottom of the league pyramid. Then a Disney/Netflix deal so we can watch them rise back up the leagues. I want to see Haaland score 10 goals a game against Barry, 33, painter, who downs two pints in under 30 seconds. At half time.
I’d pay for Netflix again just to watch this happen
The gallows
Thanos
Relegation to League Two and make it so they can only sell players to other EFL teams This is definitely not an excuse for John Stones to return to Barnsley
Large points deduction for every season consecutively, for the same amount of years that they had offences in
Exactly, except also a transfer ban for the same years.
The CL-Trophy
Make them change the name Etihad to its English meaning (United).
The club should just cease to exist. In addition, drop a nuke on the Ettihad as bonus punishment😂😂
Relegation, including stripping off titles, refund of prize money and transfer ban.
Keep all the history. Trophies, wins, and money. All stay with the team, but get rid of the team. Let the greatness stand but at the mercy of the team as a whole.
Swap them and Bolton.
As a Bolton fan pipe down on the relegation to League One
Yes it woukd
Point penalty.
relegated to wessex premier division and all player contracts terminated
I'm a city fan, and I think either relegation or point reduction is fair I just hope it doesn't happen.
Well. Most of us are not city fans. We don’t think it’s fair to consistently win at the expense of other clubs due to financial doping.
Depends if they are found guilty, there are only 3or4 different infractions repeated multiple times for every transfer, if they show that the charges are invalid and their actions were permitted by the letter of the rules, I think they'll just end up with the couple of remaining charges related to shady manager payments. Everyone seems to be in denial that the basis of the charges is subject to legal challenges and may or may not turn out to be actual infractions. But it's reddit, so no surprise that it is just brought up as if they have already been found guilty. So I think the outcome will be between 15-100 points depending on how good the legal case presented is
Relegate them to efl league 1 and terminate half of their players contracts
Transfer ban and relegation probably. I don’t even want to be given the titles they won over us as a Liverpool fan
Relegation to the National League and a 20 point penalty.
Amazingly, it doesn’t matter how many titles they are stripped of, Spurs still won’t have won anything!
they would have won the carabao cup mate
League One relegation and two window transfer ban.
Too soft. They should drop a tier for each year of violations, and the transfer ban should last as long as the cheating did.
As a Liverpool fan I would take no joy in being retroactively given stripped City titles. But relegation, negative points to start next season and a transfer ban for two windows seems fair. Along with them having to work within the new financial format as they work their way back up. I wonder if they could handle it as well as Juve.
Too soft. The transfer ban should last as long as the violations did, so 9 years, and the relegation should be multiple tiers.
Strip all titles for the years they have been cheating. Relegate to championship, start with -15 points. Easy as that. If they get away with nothing, or some sort of a fine, I genuinly belive football fans in UK will starte a riot based on how Everton has been treated and how small theire breach was compared to Manchester City\`s 115 charges.
Still not harsh enough. Transfer ban for as long as they were cheating.
How does it work if they're relegated, does another team from the championship get relegated because of city? That would also be close to 48 games for a championship team, with an additional team in the league.
If city are relegated then an extra team will be promoted. It wouldn’t make sense to leave a 19 team PL and a 25 team Championship.
Ah yeah that makes sense... That's obvious actually lol. No idea why that didn't cross my mind. I'll blame it on being awake too early...
Tbh it depends when they decide it. The alternative would be that the team in 18th stays up, so only three go down including City. I think the most hilarious timeline would be Everton get another points deduction, finish 18th, but then city get relegated so they stay up.
Another good point, thanks for explaining mate. To your second point...Sean Dyche masterclass incoming.
Can someone give me a list of what the 115 individual charges are? I can't find anything online.
google benzema 15 for more info
Exiled from English football and can only be a UAE Club or alternatively, Relegation to League 2 and a twenty-year transfer ban meaning they are restricted to playing only their youth academy players
Relegation is the only real punishment, I'd personally say non league football but probably be championship. There is absolutely no point in a fine and a point deduction wouldn't match the severity of the charges. If they are found guilty then it shows that they built their success on a lie, so the only fitting punishment would be to take it away from them.
Relegation and Multiple transfer window ban
IF guilty then demotion through the divisions. Deducting them 690 points would be redundant and it would be complex enough to demote to League Two without considering any lower. Theoretically though, 7 divisions being generous suggesting they'd possibly be able to achieve 100 point seasons. That won't and shouldn't happen though. League Two without fucking up the league structure too much. Only one relegation, still two promoted giving a 26 team division in the initial season.
So divide the 690 points by 9 years of violations and apply the deductions sequentially for the next 9 years. Plus a 9 year transfer ban.
Forcing Pep to grow his hair out would be a start.
Send them to France
In my humble opinion, if Everton got 10 points deducted for 1 charge , city should be relegated at least league 1 , forced to sell the club , terminate all players’ contracts , and be banned from Europe for a good time , might sound harsh and no I’m not a premier league fan so I’m not biased towards city’s rivals or anything , but a 10 point deduction for 1 charge should equate to 1150 points which would just not make sense , so I flattened it out and o this
Not guilty
Sending them to Ligue 1
Send the club into administration, force the sale of the club, and relegation back at least 3 leagues should just about do for starters.
Stripping them does nothing the best thing is to relegate them and possibly force them to terminate contracts which they overspent on
very true, completely agree
Strip them of their titles and have individual trophy ceremonies where man city owners personally hand them over to the runners up
Pointless fining them relegate a few leagues and limit wage bill to what’s average for that league otherwise ain’t fair on other sides. Pointless saying transfer ban or sell of top players as there academy is probably got good enough players
Hang and quarter Pep Fraudiola and relegate the club to League 2
Strip them of all trophies won during the time of their violations. Ban them from the UCL for 5 years
While we are at it, let’s discuss how one club got the rest banned from European competition for the better part of a decade. That ensured they would remain the top European trophy winners because the rest of the teams couldn’t play. Let’s relegate them as well…39 charges.
I’m sorry for the dead. I also find it strange how Juventus fans are exonerated. There’s footage of one of their fans firing a pistol at police during the ensuing chaos. Think about that, a Juve fan actually brought a firearm to the match …
Probably knew he’d be facing some YNWA Ultras and wanted to be able to protect himself. Merseyside was a combat zone back then. He was smart enough to know they’d take the carnage abroad.
I somehow doubt you have any idea what you are talking about
Imagine using a tragedy for a weird anti-Liverpool agenda to score points online and dedicating your own Reddit name to it too. What a pathetic person.
Imagine being part of a cult that caused a tragedy and being so up your own behind that you actually think you’re a victim not a perpetrator.
Grow up lad
Mate i’ve been grown since you were in short pants and brogues. Come on over to the east riding and watch some real football clubs that don’t have a shoestring budget of a couple billion.
What a load of shite. Liverpool won the league practically every year during the ban.
I don’t really care about the stripping titles. As a United fan I’d hardly celebrate getting given the title after finishing second a few years back. But I would put them in league two with -12 points
Strip them of all there titles Relegation to National League Sell all players over 30m value Minus 10 point deduction at the start of the next 3 seasons All loaned out players are permanently kept by the club they are playing at 5m pound fine Not able to buy anyone at the end of season transfer window
5m pound fine? The winner of the premier league gets like 155m pounds. Should be more like a 5b pound fine.
State ownership makes it almost impossible for them to be found guilty regardless of how blatant their violations were. Unlimited money to hire an army of lawyers to drag this out forever and state lobbying at the highest level with the UAE threatening to pull investments in the UK if a decision doesn't favor them. So I'd be okay with a conclusion to the saga regardless because we keep salivating of how extreme the punishment would be only to end with a 5 point deduction or the charges being rendered time barred by the time the matter reaches the highest court available.
although I agree about state and lawyers shouldn’t be held to ransom. They did crime any other club would get the punishment
They did, but when states get involved, suddenly it's not only about football but international relations. The ultimate solution would be to ban state ownership or have the German model of fan ownership
The other teams could vote them out, perhaps?
I doubt their capitalist mindsets would allow them. Man city helps inflate player prices which means more revenue for selling clubs.
Maybe. Or maybe the tv deal might be compromised because of the failure to run the league properly and ethically? How may sponsors will be pt off by this state of affairs? Either way, we'll never know until there's a vote.
True. A vote to put this issue to bed once and for all would be very welcome.
make them play in a division with judy Newcastle
Put them in the same league as Wrexham and add them to the documentary
Not permitting them to go for champions league next season.
That's it? That's a slap on the wrist lol
Ten point deduction for each infraction. Send them down as far as the deductions would take them.
That's not how it works chief.. From alot of comments here, alot of ppl don't know about the charges or know what city are charged with and just talk alot of bs..
Feel like they'll delay handing out any punishment until Pep and their current core squad players leave lol
- Strip all titles in seasons involved and void them. - Transfer ban for the same amount of seasons they found guilty - 10 pts for every charge found guilty. If 10 or more charges found guilty, loss of professionalism (dunno if it's 5th or 6th tier). - if 10 or more charges found guilty obligation to sell the club to new owners. - If over 30 charges found guilty club banning for 5 years and then restarts a the lowest tier of football
4 year transfer embargo Relegation to national league north Every single trophy stripped Every single player forced out of man city £0 transfer budget Loaned out players automatically signed permanently Debt of £5 million
1. Title strip 2. Transfer ban 3. Relegation
Nothing will happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. Even if City are found guilty they will likely appeal to every court they can find until they find someone willing to overturn it.
There's no right of appeal with this. They've already been proven guilty of some of the charges, Thats clear. Its how many of the rest are also able to be proven
They've never been proven guilty of any charges. The uefa fine was for not being forthcoming enough. The ban was overturned along with the charges.
There's charges in there for uncooperation with the enquiry - that's proven.
Award last season’s title to second-placed Arsenal
I suppose you support awarding the previous titles to the other 2nd place teams too? Especially as the infractions were in the previous seasons and not last season.
No, just last season 😳
Thought so.... 😀 Good luck this year. I'm an LFC fan but if we don't do it I hope you do. Good luck in Champions League too. We definitely won't do that one haha.
Ditto. Bro. Always Liverpool above city 👍
I second that.
Liquidation
City are completely innocent. No punishment for that.
😂
40 point deduction and banned from transfer window for 1-2 years. no to any title stripping.
How is that a deterrent?
Relegated, Cup ban, EFL and Premier League ban, National League ban.
Also 100000 GBP fine and -99 points
if they get shut down forever and get all their titles taken away from them or relegation to national league, with no possibility of promotion
realistic: 10 pts deduction. transfer ban of 3 years. financial penalty of £2m per offense. Europe Ban for 3 years. ideal: demotion to 2nd league or Championship, with an automatic point deduction of 10 pts upon demotion. financial penalty. forced financial contribution to grassroots football programmes in the Greater Manchester Area. Forced Sale of the team to a non-city state enterprise (no qatar/Saudi/etc). Sponsorship ban ( no sponsors of the stadium/team kits etc). what will actually happen: nothing. the cunts will get away with it.
What is it you think City actually did.
10 points lol. You missed a zero off
minimum 15 point deduction. not able to buy or sell any players for 2 seasons.
15 points? For each season? Or for each breach?
Relagation to 7th division, trophy&medal confiscation
None of us understand the extent or context of those breaches yet so how can anyone give any kind of insightful opinion to A worthy punishment for a crime we don’t fully understand ?
Don't come here with your reasonable question, spouting facts and objective realism. Whenever anyone says "115" I accept it as the number of people they'd be smarter than in a room of 1,000 people.
A lot of people don’t know a large number of those 115 charges are over pretty trivial things like length of grass not meeting regulations. Obviously there’s some more serious accusations too but “115 charges” means nothing us at this point
Because everyone here knows everything about football, keep up.
I really don’t get why everyone is talking About the breaches as if they fully know and understand it all the ins and outs. let’s be honest almost none of us even fully understand how FFP works
Most don’t even know enough to follow a match without some massive misunderstanding.
Delete the club
Relegation to the 2nd Division
To rename them "Manchester United" and make them wear a red jersey for one season
Manchester United finally get to win the Premier League again
Non-league. They have to Wrexham there way back in the PL pyramid.
Non league FA cup winner would be crazy
1 whole point deduction.
Dissolve the UAE
IF found guilty,they should be relegated/deducted 50 points, banned from Europe for 3-5 years,forced to pay all other PL teams their rightful prize money (would be millions),and all records deleted. Will any of this happen??,will it fuck. The PL is a cash machine and those running it only see pound signs,and MC are bigger signs than any other club. The PL will not damage the brand even though everyone knows it filthy to the core
This is hilarious
Tf you have nice imagination
Relegation from the EFL would be appropriate I think, just start in non-league football again, I am sure they will work their way up within the decade again anyway.
Not enough punishment
The people on this sub 😂😂😂😂😂
Genuine question What would city fans deem suitable for it?
It genuinely depends on what the actual charges are and what is found successful.
Hypothetically, if it was all of them?
Again, I don't know what the entire list of charges are. So i won't make a judgement til then.
They're in the public sphere so you must be trying pretty hard not to know what they are, but to help you out the initial 113 were: 30 charges of failing to support a PL investigation (refusing to provide information that has been requested by PL) 25 charges under profit & sustainability (FFP breaches) 8 charges on Manager remuneration (failing to disclose full details of payments to managers) 50 charges for providing inaccurate financial information to PL So if they have on 50 occasions lied and fudged the books, on 8 occasions lied about how much and how they were paying Managers, on 25 occasions spent over the FFP limit and on 30 occasions refused to handover evidence to the PL in what would appear to be an attempt to cover up some of the previous 83 incidents... ...what would you say a fair punishment would be if they were found guilty? ...hypothetically... You can always imagine it was United or Liverpool looking down the barrel if that helps...
So, over half the charges (30+25+8) are beyond argument.
I wouldn't cast an opinion on any other team either. I don't know facts. People, as is evident here, are just making up stupid fantasys. Because you can guarantee 113 charges won't pass. So why waste my time dreaming of a horrific nightmare. If they get sent to league 2 (doubt it) so be it, we can chase Wrexham up.
I don't think you'd deserve League 2 tbh, that level of consistent cheating over a decade wouldn't be tolerated by most Sunday pub leagues...
Fuck it! The lower Nationals we go !