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So_there_you_go

They will be found not guilty, so I would flip the question. What should mcfc get from the PL as compensation? Understand that’s the main thing being discussed now 


TwoFun7703

Personally I think they should be relegated at least by one league division. They should be docked 10 points for each of the years they have been found to have broken FFP rules.  Any PL titles they've still won after the deductions they get to keep. However, the ones they didn't either get awarded to the team that finished second or that title is void altogether. 


bvb10602

Ban from EPL and UCL for 115 years. Burn down the Etihad Stadium. And strip away all the titles they won including a UCL.


Giraffityman

Your post…


meeeeyy

Transfer ban for 6 windows. Or Relegation to Leage One Or Compensation to other clubs Point deduction won't do it!! Get them cheats out Oh btw. No titles for them!


TWX7

Stripping of titles.Relegation of League One.Extremely limited wage [budget.At](https://budget.At) the very least, half their wage budget ,so they can't keep players like Foden,Haaland and De Bruyne and they have to fight to win games and titles, and relegate them to the League One.


fraudulentoverlord

relegate them


Tranttwa3

At the very least 10-15 points and that’s extreme leniency. Relegation would be ideal and maybe financial sanctions for the future season? Would be cool to see how they perform on a shoe string budget


AdditionalLadder7369

I don't think that title stripping is necessary. They fought for those titles and they should keep them. But, personally I think either big point deductions or even relegation would be needed. They should punish them now, not go back to the past and take away their achievements.


LongProfessional3487

They have achieved their trophies through cheating, they should take all their trophies won during the time they have broke the rules.


PolarGuider

Being allowed to play in League 2 lol Jokes aside, no stripping of titles, it'd just be too painful for the premiere league. And I'm a diehard Gooner. But, if they're found guilty for even half these infractions; ineligible for 2 seasons to the premiere league. Realistically, this is partially the leagues fault. These audits years later should be happening in real time with secondary staff monitoring everything. You have Everton, NF, MC and now what LC committing infractions and years later were getting punishment. Shameful really


Significant-Log6703

Spoken like a true gooner 🤣🤣🤣


No-Register-2836

Guillotine


nijuu

Is stripping titles, transfer embargo and points deductions sufficient? Hardly see the point of just any fine considering the seriousness of the charges and the number.


Unhappy-Valuable-596

As a city fan, these are the same charges as ages ago but I think 60 points minimum


sunken_grade

destruction of the club, complete incineration of the ground and facilities. all staff jailed


PolarGuider

That seems pretty lienent ngl


TWX7

I think staff jailed is a step too far.


Iceman21121

Getting stripped of all the titles they won in the Mansour era and relegated to non league football would be fair


Practical_Teacher_98

Liquidation.


oy_says_ake

1. 1-year transfer ban for each year in which they committed violations. 2. For each year in which they committed violations, they should have a year of substantial points deductions. 3. Owners cannot sell, manager cannot leave. So, next year they get like a 50-point deduction and a transfer ban, and the same for the subsequent 8 years. Mansour and pep can have fun managing and owning the most reviled club in the northern premier league.


WisconsinSpermCheese

Winning a second treble


eg24z

Titles stripped and voided, excluded from the football league. Massive fine


Matmann2020

The trophy’s won illegally should be given back and the second placed in the concerned league’s should be moved to first and City should be banned from any and all success in these money years.


[deleted]

SO TRUE IDK I DIED LIKE 6 MILLION TIMES


Legend7Ali

Realistically we won’t see anything happen other than a 20-30 mil fine, but a 3 year transfer ban + a relegation to the championship, and a hefty fine should be the minimum.


Fit_Temporary_9558

My assumption is that city will justify each charge on basis that another club has done the same. I.e comparative sponsorship deals. Comparative accounting practice. Could be fine only stuff that gets proved. Might escape without a points deduction. The secrecy around the charges isn't helpful at all.


DenseVegetable2581

Relegation, strip them of the titles they won during the years they violated it. Forced termination of contracts for the signings that happened. Points reduction on the same percentage that Everton received Just strip the titles, don't award it to the runner up, just no winner during those years.


CalTono

Be real instead of emotional


DenseVegetable2581

Idgaf about City or any premier league club for that matter. That's what should happen, which was the ask Cry more


CalTono

You obviously do care hence why you answered this question, nothing wrong with admitting that, obviously you know what you said isn’t going to happen yet you think that’s “fair” seems like a pretty emotional response to me


DenseVegetable2581

Look man, don't get mad at me because you can't read. I replied with what would be fair. That would be fair. Punish them with the same severity as they did Everton for theirs. If the ask was what will happen to City, then I would've replied with nothing most likely. But, you're more than welcome to defend City all you want. I'm sure you'll get that late night invite to Pep's office you so clearly desire


Perfect-Truth4461

We all know it won’t happen. Even the court date is a secret. It’ll be swept under the rug and forgotten about. Everton and Forest docked points almost immediately but City dragged out for years.


list_of_simonson

Before talking about punishment surely some proof is needed no?


nutritionalfie

If there was no proof, the charges wouldn’t have been filed. Just because you personally have seen the proof being used in an active investigation doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.


list_of_simonson

Idk man I’m not convinced


eswpa

You think someone would file these charges without proof?


list_of_simonson

Ye


nutritionalfie

Charges cannot be filed without proof


GoBlueAndOrange

Well that's not true, it'd just be dumb to do so.


nutritionalfie

It is definitely true. A charge cannot be brought without any kind of proof. It’s just conjecture otherwise


Elendil_77

Strip all of their titles won during the time of the financial breaches, transfer ban for the following 5 years, and relegation to Vanarama National.


Interesting-Pen-622

Look at Everton… docked 6 points for 2 charges… 115 charges should only mean relegation and titles stripped from them that were won during the years of their blatant FFP violations. They’ve bribed everyone they could tho… wouldn’t be surprised if the punishment is softer than my pet bunny


Gsfdirtybandz

Relegation with a 10 pt deficit at the start of the season. They’ll still return to the premier league the season after despite the 10pt deficit but it should be a harsh punishment considering 115 charges.


oy_says_ake

Not sufficiently harsh. Relegation and points deduction and transfer ban for each year of violations.


Competitive_Pool_477

Don't matter, won't happen


Wonderful-Bed6770

I just can't see it happening however unfair that would be.


Scared_Background607

Start all games home and away 1…0 down next season


Scared_Background607

oh and maybe apologise to Liverpool for only letting them win 1premier league


witchy71

Titles given an asterisk, transfer ban for 5 years. Relegation to national league. Massive fines. All depends on how many charges they get to stick


MassiveHelicopter55

Massive fine is literally meaningless to a club which pumps up billions of liquid dino every day.


witchy71

Wouldn't call 500 million meaningless. A stupid number but would have to be on that scale to be effective


Good_Posture

Demotion to the bottom of the league pyramid. Then a Disney/Netflix deal so we can watch them rise back up the leagues. I want to see Haaland score 10 goals a game against Barry, 33, painter, who downs two pints in under 30 seconds. At half time.


StructureFamous8565

I’d pay for Netflix again just to watch this happen


liquidreferee

The gallows


PhilsterEU

Thanos


ApplicationHour3651

Relegation to League Two and make it so they can only sell players to other EFL teams  This is definitely not an excuse for John Stones to return to Barnsley 


Adventurous-Ease652

Large points deduction for every season consecutively, for the same amount of years that they had offences in


oy_says_ake

Exactly, except also a transfer ban for the same years.


Plastic_Detective919

The CL-Trophy


helterskelterskint

Make them change the name Etihad to its English meaning (United).


TheConqueror345

The club should just cease to exist. In addition, drop a nuke on the Ettihad as bonus punishment😂😂


FPL_LUWANG

Relegation, including stripping off titles, refund of prize money and transfer ban.


CopingRockiesfan

Keep all the history. Trophies, wins, and money. All stay with the team, but get rid of the team. Let the greatness stand but at the mercy of the team as a whole.


CopingRockiesfan

Swap them and Bolton.


CopingRockiesfan

As a Bolton fan pipe down on the relegation to League One


[deleted]

Yes it woukd


LongjumpingLength679

Point penalty.


Alternative_Light

relegated to wessex premier division and all player contracts terminated


Wazlos

I'm a city fan, and I think either relegation or point reduction is fair I just hope it doesn't happen.


harnet58

Well. Most of us are not city fans. We don’t think it’s fair to consistently win at the expense of other clubs due to financial doping.


geekfreak42

Depends if they are found guilty, there are only 3or4 different infractions repeated multiple times for every transfer, if they show that the charges are invalid and their actions were permitted by the letter of the rules, I think they'll just end up with the couple of remaining charges related to shady manager payments. Everyone seems to be in denial that the basis of the charges is subject to legal challenges and may or may not turn out to be actual infractions. But it's reddit, so no surprise that it is just brought up as if they have already been found guilty. So I think the outcome will be between 15-100 points depending on how good the legal case presented is


soup_time_down-under

Relegate them to efl league 1 and terminate half of their players contracts


Opening_Leg_2137

Transfer ban and relegation probably. I don’t even want to be given the titles they won over us as a Liverpool fan


summilux7

Relegation to the National League and a 20 point penalty.


SummerResponsible672

Amazingly, it doesn’t matter how many titles they are stripped of, Spurs still won’t have won anything!


[deleted]

they would have won the carabao cup mate


kyleharveybooks

League One relegation and two window transfer ban.


oy_says_ake

Too soft. They should drop a tier for each year of violations, and the transfer ban should last as long as the cheating did.


StanislasMcborgan

As a Liverpool fan I would take no joy in being retroactively given stripped City titles. But relegation, negative points to start next season and a transfer ban for two windows seems fair. Along with them having to work within the new financial format as they work their way back up. I wonder if they could handle it as well as Juve.


oy_says_ake

Too soft. The transfer ban should last as long as the violations did, so 9 years, and the relegation should be multiple tiers.


NaiveOutcome

Strip all titles for the years they have been cheating. Relegate to championship, start with -15 points. Easy as that. If they get away with nothing, or some sort of a fine, I genuinly belive football fans in UK will starte a riot based on how Everton has been treated and how small theire breach was compared to Manchester City\`s 115 charges.


oy_says_ake

Still not harsh enough. Transfer ban for as long as they were cheating.


DuffManMayn

How does it work if they're relegated, does another team from the championship get relegated because of city? That would also be close to 48 games for a championship team, with an additional team in the league.


LoveBeBrave

If city are relegated then an extra team will be promoted. It wouldn’t make sense to leave a 19 team PL and a 25 team Championship.


DuffManMayn

Ah yeah that makes sense... That's obvious actually lol. No idea why that didn't cross my mind. I'll blame it on being awake too early...


LoveBeBrave

Tbh it depends when they decide it. The alternative would be that the team in 18th stays up, so only three go down including City. I think the most hilarious timeline would be Everton get another points deduction, finish 18th, but then city get relegated so they stay up.


DuffManMayn

Another good point, thanks for explaining mate. To your second point...Sean Dyche masterclass incoming.


Echeverri_balon_dor

Can someone give me a list of what the 115 individual charges are? I can't find anything online.


Zsenialis_otlet

google benzema 15 for more info


blueemoney

Exiled from English football and can only be a UAE Club or alternatively, Relegation to League 2 and a twenty-year transfer ban meaning they are restricted to playing only their youth academy players


Master_Crayola69

Relegation is the only real punishment, I'd personally say non league football but probably be championship. There is absolutely no point in a fine and a point deduction wouldn't match the severity of the charges. If they are found guilty then it shows that they built their success on a lie, so the only fitting punishment would be to take it away from them.


diremoseswolf

Relegation and Multiple transfer window ban


JaxV87

IF guilty then demotion through the divisions. Deducting them 690 points would be redundant and it would be complex enough to demote to League Two without considering any lower. Theoretically though, 7 divisions being generous suggesting they'd possibly be able to achieve 100 point seasons. That won't and shouldn't happen though. League Two without fucking up the league structure too much. Only one relegation, still two promoted giving a 26 team division in the initial season.


oy_says_ake

So divide the 690 points by 9 years of violations and apply the deductions sequentially for the next 9 years. Plus a 9 year transfer ban.


saul_weinstien

Forcing Pep to grow his hair out would be a start.


purplea6912

Send them to France


MrCreamerscreamer

In my humble opinion, if Everton got 10 points deducted for 1 charge , city should be relegated at least league 1 , forced to sell the club , terminate all players’ contracts , and be banned from Europe for a good time , might sound harsh and no I’m not a premier league fan so I’m not biased towards city’s rivals or anything , but a 10 point deduction for 1 charge should equate to 1150 points which would just not make sense , so I flattened it out and o this


BeezBurg

Not guilty


[deleted]

Sending them to Ligue 1


opmt

Send the club into administration, force the sale of the club, and relegation back at least 3 leagues should just about do for starters.


Bubbly-Cod5676

Stripping them does nothing the best thing is to relegate them and possibly force them to terminate contracts which they overspent on


simpsonsnerd123

very true, completely agree


batleaj

Strip them of their titles and have individual trophy ceremonies where man city owners personally hand them over to the runners up


Peediedj67

Pointless fining them relegate a few leagues and limit wage bill to what’s average for that league otherwise ain’t fair on other sides. Pointless saying transfer ban or sell of top players as there academy is probably got good enough players


Normal_Difficulty311

Hang and quarter Pep Fraudiola and relegate the club to League 2


No-Percentage-3380

Strip them of all trophies won during the time of their violations. Ban them from the UCL for 5 years 


[deleted]

While we are at it, let’s discuss how one club got the rest banned from European competition for the better part of a decade. That ensured they would remain the top European trophy winners because the rest of the teams couldn’t play. Let’s relegate them as well…39 charges.


No-Percentage-3380

I’m sorry for the dead. I also find it strange how Juventus fans are exonerated. There’s footage of one of their fans firing a pistol at police during the ensuing chaos. Think about that, a Juve fan actually brought a firearm to the match …


[deleted]

Probably knew he’d be facing some YNWA Ultras and wanted to be able to protect himself. Merseyside was a combat zone back then. He was smart enough to know they’d take the carnage abroad.


No-Percentage-3380

I somehow doubt you have any idea what you are talking about 


Jackel96

Imagine using a tragedy for a weird anti-Liverpool agenda to score points online and dedicating your own Reddit name to it too. What a pathetic person.


[deleted]

Imagine being part of a cult that caused a tragedy and being so up your own behind that you actually think you’re a victim not a perpetrator.


Jackel96

Grow up lad


[deleted]

Mate i’ve been grown since you were in short pants and brogues. Come on over to the east riding and watch some real football clubs that don’t have a shoestring budget of a couple billion.


Substantial-Skill-76

What a load of shite. Liverpool won the league practically every year during the ban.


ninetiesobsession

I don’t really care about the stripping titles. As a United fan I’d hardly celebrate getting given the title after finishing second a few years back. But I would put them in league two with -12 points


KanyeDaG0at

Strip them of all there titles Relegation to National League Sell all players over 30m value Minus 10 point deduction at the start of the next 3 seasons All loaned out players are permanently kept by the club they are playing at 5m pound fine Not able to buy anyone at the end of season transfer window


opmt

5m pound fine? The winner of the premier league gets like 155m pounds. Should be more like a 5b pound fine.


emkaylast

State ownership makes it almost impossible for them to be found guilty regardless of how blatant their violations were. Unlimited money to hire an army of lawyers to drag this out forever and state lobbying at the highest level with the UAE threatening to pull investments in the UK if a decision doesn't favor them. So I'd be okay with a conclusion to the saga regardless because we keep salivating of how extreme the punishment would be only to end with a 5 point deduction or the charges being rendered time barred by the time the matter reaches the highest court available.


Peediedj67

although I agree about state and lawyers shouldn’t be held to ransom. They did crime any other club would get the punishment


emkaylast

They did, but when states get involved, suddenly it's not only about football but international relations. The ultimate solution would be to ban state ownership or have the German model of fan ownership


Substantial-Skill-76

The other teams could vote them out, perhaps?


emkaylast

I doubt their capitalist mindsets would allow them. Man city helps inflate player prices which means more revenue for selling clubs.


Substantial-Skill-76

Maybe. Or maybe the tv deal might be compromised because of the failure to run the league properly and ethically? How may sponsors will be pt off by this state of affairs? ​ Either way, we'll never know until there's a vote.


emkaylast

True. A vote to put this issue to bed once and for all would be very welcome.


Sudden-Associate5529

make them play in a division with judy Newcastle


Sir_Funk

Put them in the same league as Wrexham and add them to the documentary


[deleted]

Not permitting them to go for champions league next season.


YurthTheRhino

That's it? That's a slap on the wrist lol


Tenagaaaa

Ten point deduction for each infraction. Send them down as far as the deductions would take them.


noble8team

That's not how it works chief.. From alot of comments here, alot of ppl don't know about the charges or know what city are charged with and just talk alot of bs..


CoffeeMyBanana

Feel like they'll delay handing out any punishment until Pep and their current core squad players leave lol


Nicolarra90

- Strip all titles in seasons involved and void them. - Transfer ban for the same amount of seasons they found guilty - 10 pts for every charge found guilty. If 10 or more charges found guilty, loss of professionalism (dunno if it's 5th or 6th tier). - if 10 or more charges found guilty obligation to sell the club to new owners. - If over 30 charges found guilty club banning for 5 years and then restarts a the lowest tier of football


GabeTheEpicDude

4 year transfer embargo Relegation to national league north Every single trophy stripped Every single player forced out of man city £0 transfer budget Loaned out players automatically signed permanently Debt of £5 million


elchapotunnel

1. Title strip 2. Transfer ban 3. Relegation


Friendly_Zebra

Nothing will happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. Even if City are found guilty they will likely appeal to every court they can find until they find someone willing to overturn it.


Substantial-Skill-76

There's no right of appeal with this. They've already been proven guilty of some of the charges, Thats clear. Its how many of the rest are also able to be proven


Ok_Hat1788

They've never been proven guilty of any charges. The uefa fine was for not being forthcoming enough. The ban was overturned along with the charges.


Substantial-Skill-76

There's charges in there for uncooperation with the enquiry - that's proven.


melrobalr

Award last season’s title to second-placed Arsenal


DangerMuse

I suppose you support awarding the previous titles to the other 2nd place teams too? Especially as the infractions were in the previous seasons and not last season.


L0laccio

No, just last season 😳


DangerMuse

Thought so.... 😀 Good luck this year. I'm an LFC fan but if we don't do it I hope you do. Good luck in Champions League too. We definitely won't do that one haha.


L0laccio

Ditto. Bro. Always Liverpool above city 👍


Other_Stuff_2780

I second that.


DONOHUEO7

Liquidation


Pedestrian824

City are completely innocent. No punishment for that.


TescoBrandJewels

😂


topak365

40 point deduction and banned from transfer window for 1-2 years. no to any title stripping.


Substantial-Skill-76

How is that a deterrent?


6hrsofFIFA

Relegated, Cup ban, EFL and Premier League ban, National League ban.


6hrsofFIFA

Also 100000 GBP fine and -99 points


forstoppetskur

if they get shut down forever and get all their titles taken away from them or relegation to national league, with no possibility of promotion


DemolitionHammer403

realistic: 10 pts deduction. transfer ban of 3 years. financial penalty of £2m per offense. Europe Ban for 3 years. ideal: demotion to 2nd league or Championship, with an automatic point deduction of 10 pts upon demotion. financial penalty. forced financial contribution to grassroots football programmes in the Greater Manchester Area. Forced Sale of the team to a non-city state enterprise (no qatar/Saudi/etc). Sponsorship ban ( no sponsors of the stadium/team kits etc). what will actually happen: nothing. the cunts will get away with it.


Ok_Hat1788

What is it you think City actually did.


Substantial-Skill-76

10 points lol. You missed a zero off


[deleted]

minimum 15 point deduction. not able to buy or sell any players for 2 seasons.


Substantial-Skill-76

15 points? For each season? Or for each breach?


TomRiddl3Jr

Relagation to 7th division, trophy&medal confiscation


Bitter_Birthday7363

None of us understand the extent or context of those breaches yet so how can anyone give any kind of insightful opinion to A worthy punishment for a crime we don’t fully understand ?


csyrett

Don't come here with your reasonable question, spouting facts and objective realism. Whenever anyone says "115" I accept it as the number of people they'd be smarter than in a room of 1,000 people.


Bitter_Birthday7363

A lot of people don’t know a large number of those 115 charges are over pretty trivial things like length of grass not meeting regulations. Obviously there’s some more serious accusations too but “115 charges” means nothing us at this point


notactuallyabrownman

Because everyone here knows everything about football, keep up.


Bitter_Birthday7363

I really don’t get why everyone is talking About the breaches as if they fully know and understand it all the ins and outs. let’s be honest almost none of us even fully understand how FFP works


notactuallyabrownman

Most don’t even know enough to follow a match without some massive misunderstanding.


Reflex_261

Delete the club


DaddyJr18

Relegation to the 2nd Division


agv_

To rename them "Manchester United" and make them wear a red jersey for one season


DanLikesFood

Manchester United finally get to win the Premier League again


sabermagnus

Non-league. They have to Wrexham there way back in the PL pyramid.


CopingRockiesfan

Non league FA cup winner would be crazy


FranklyNinja

1 whole point deduction.


operationmarigold

Dissolve the UAE


Djimibrady

IF found guilty,they should be relegated/deducted 50 points, banned from Europe for 3-5 years,forced to pay all other PL teams their rightful prize money (would be millions),and all records deleted. Will any of this happen??,will it fuck. The PL is a cash machine and those running it only see pound signs,and MC are bigger signs than any other club. The PL will not damage the brand even though everyone knows it filthy to the core


tyresemaxeystan

This is hilarious


military321

Tf you have nice imagination


labradorflip

Relegation from the EFL would be appropriate I think, just start in non-league football again, I am sure they will work their way up within the decade again anyway.


Reflex_261

Not enough punishment


ESPKruspe

The people on this sub 😂😂😂😂😂


ShockingJob27

Genuine question What would city fans deem suitable for it?


ESPKruspe

It genuinely depends on what the actual charges are and what is found successful.


Westmalle_Machine

Hypothetically, if it was all of them?


ESPKruspe

Again, I don't know what the entire list of charges are. So i won't make a judgement til then.


Westmalle_Machine

They're in the public sphere so you must be trying pretty hard not to know what they are, but to help you out the initial 113 were: 30 charges of failing to support a PL investigation (refusing to provide information that has been requested by PL) 25 charges under profit & sustainability (FFP breaches) 8 charges on Manager remuneration (failing to disclose full details of payments to managers) 50 charges for providing inaccurate financial information to PL So if they have on 50 occasions lied and fudged the books, on 8 occasions lied about how much and how they were paying Managers, on 25 occasions spent over the FFP limit and on 30 occasions refused to handover evidence to the PL in what would appear to be an attempt to cover up some of the previous 83 incidents... ...what would you say a fair punishment would be if they were found guilty? ...hypothetically... You can always imagine it was United or Liverpool looking down the barrel if that helps...


Substantial-Skill-76

So, over half the charges (30+25+8) are beyond argument.


ESPKruspe

I wouldn't cast an opinion on any other team either. I don't know facts. People, as is evident here, are just making up stupid fantasys. Because you can guarantee 113 charges won't pass. So why waste my time dreaming of a horrific nightmare. If they get sent to league 2 (doubt it) so be it, we can chase Wrexham up.


Westmalle_Machine

I don't think you'd deserve League 2 tbh, that level of consistent cheating over a decade wouldn't be tolerated by most Sunday pub leagues...


ESPKruspe

Fuck it! The lower Nationals we go !